/v/ - Video Games

>>15624549

>cant italicize

inb4 you suck at formatting kill yourself

What's the actual range of shotguns irl?

>>15624845

About tree fiddy.

>>15624845

Let's say if shotguns in videogames were realistic nobody would be using anything else.

>>15624845

Pretty comparable to Doom 1, ironically. They spread but typically a buckshot shell will spread into the size of about a baseball at 10 yards. The effect is therefore more like you totally shredding one guys torso instead of hitting multiple guys standing abreast. (Which again, is similar to how it works in classic Doom; only the sawed off shotgun has significant enough spread to kill a room full of dudes with a single shot, and that's because it is sawed off).

>>15624549

I need to replay RE4

You have to be inside someone's anus to do damage.

>>15624862

If armor in videogames was realistic, shotguns wouldn't do much damage but would leave you flat on your ass and out of breath.

>>15624881

Yea, but people tend to aim to the head.

>>15624889

Which people? In video games? Sure but a helmet would still mitigate that. Also depending on the range you're at, you might be less likely to hit at all since you're aiming at a smaller target. You may get more net benefit by aiming lower.

In real life, no, combat soldiers are trained to shoot center mass. The objective of war is not actually to kill your enemy, just render them incapable of resisting.

>>15624845

You can see hicock45 nailing a pretty far target at 5:30

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=t_1-E6qFuXk

I keep saying it, shotguns in the originalresident evil games are the most reliable thing, great damage, enough range to cover most rooms and abundant ammo compared to grenade launchers and magnums.

>>15624571

>I said it before anyone else, now I don't have to kill myself

Wrong.

>>15624942

Did you play on the hardest difficulty?

One of the most accurate weapons in Phantom Forces is a shotgun. It's like a laser even from across the map and it one shots.

>>15624964

I play on invasion/ghost most of the time if that's what you are asking

I know some people use console commands to bump it up even farther but honestly I just cannot be bothered with that

Depezador takes out most feds/looters/minor stremonic forces well enough. perhaps not as fast as say the excidium or the s6000 but then it's nice to keep some challenge there-

>>15624942

meant to say that the betty boom is mostly useless sorry

>>15624912

>trained to shoot center mass

Maybe in third world countries. Everyone else trains for the T-BOX. We are talking 0300 MOS, not some elite operators, just infantry.

>>15624549

Halo and other early console fps are to blame, or at least made the problem worse.

A bit offtopic, but the shotgun in Perfected Doom 3 v7 is exactly what you want. Play it, you get a shoulder-mounted flashlight.

Anyone a fan of the M97? Nothing felt better than picking up one of these in a WWII shooter.

>>15624845

According to the Remington 870 site about 40 yards or 36.5 meters for the anons across the pond.

>>15624942

I have been on the fence about that game E.ψ.∃. I like what I have seen, but from what I have heard it's like some cyberpunk RPG. Is it worth checkin it out because those guns look pretty cool. The memes sound pretty funny to me anyway

>>15624972

No shock that a Roblox game has one of the best shotgun mechanics.

>>15625115

Nothing felt weaker than that Halo 3 shotgun unless you were right in front of the enemy, at least the one in Reach looked cooler. Will check out that mod though.

>>15625065

Where did you enlist that told you this?.

>>15625159

Military punks OUT

>>15625115

It wasn't halo who started the boomstick meme, its shotgun had absurdly long range and could kill banshees/ghosts with two shots and wraiths with 8, not to mention it had a capacity of 12 shots with 120 in reserve, even the overpowered magnum was dogshit when compared to the shotgun since you needed to whittle down the shield first with a plasma overcharge and then headshot, the shotgun was a 2 hit kill at mid range.

>>15625206

In Halo 2 the shotgun distance got drastically reduced. I guess they figured the other weapons balance that out.

>>15625206

>its shotgun had absurdly long range and could kill banshees/ghosts with two shots and wraiths with 8

Yeah, I guess that's why it couldn't kill any of the Flood in sections where it nearly forces it's use on them, at anything other than point blank.

>>15624862

You know, a lot of people say that but if that were true why would we use anything else in real life either?

>one in HL2 can't take down a human without pumping two shots

This is just flat out wrong. Every combine soldier takes 1 shotgun shot on normal at close-midrange.

>>15625264

>Normal

>>15625268

>Half Life

>On Hard

Making enemies bullet sponge as you increase difficulty is shit tier and any designer that does that needs to be hanged.

Playing Half Life 1/2 or any of it's mods on Hard outside very few exceptions is fucking garbage.

>>15625065

>I have never met an infantryman or seen him shoot

Take a look at any basic M16 qualification range statistics if you can find them.

Earth Defense Force shotguns are pretty satisfying to shoot big bugs and aliens with

>>15625115

>Halo to blame for shotguns being shit

You dumb nigger. Halo CE's shotgun was an 8-gauge beast that held 12 shells and could kill most enemies in a single hit. It also had decent range, had something like 20 projectiles and could even destroy vehicles given enough close drive or fly-bys.

Now in Halo 3 and Reach the shotgun was made pretty shit, I agree with you there. Can't recall if it was useful in ODST.

>>15625253

Because in real life people aren't running around a tiny playground 360no scoping by the swing sets.

>>15625115

Halo 1 shottie - god tier

Halo 2 shottie - perfect (except when online dealing with lag/mods, then its a lotterygun)

You haven't played 1 & 2 online much have you?

>>15625240

>such bad aim he can't hit flood with a shottie

>>15625115

Why are PC gamers so dumb?

>>15625559

>Halo 2 shottie - perfect

It's useless on Legendary. They balanced it towards the close quarters multiplayer maps. Halo 1 shotgun is much more useful.

>>15625616

>Your buckshot disappears after 3 ft

>Realism

>>15625621

No it doesn't.

You were probably playing online (see my comment about lag making it a lotterygun)

>>15625644

>liking Halo 3 for ANY reason (supposed or factual)

>>15625653

whats wrong with halo 3 exactly?

>>15625659

>shit new stages

>catapults (airlifts whatever the fuck they were called)

>got rid of many good stages from previous games

>BUBBLE-SHIELD

>assault rifle now the lottery-gun (smg was shit but at least it was consistent and you knew its capabilities)

>BR nerfed from 2

>RETARD STORYMODE

>>15625659

>>15625672

I can keep going…..

>>15625659

>>15625672

>>15625674

I kept playing, even played Reach (my dumbass friend bought Reach) but 3 was the last Halo I ever bought.

And between 3 & Reach, I quit playing this shit.

Was very upset when Gamespy stopped hosting Halo 1 online back in 2014

>>15625672

>bubble shield

Walk into it, throw a spike grenade in, walk out. Spikes ricochet and kill everything inside.

>>15625616

It will always bug me how badly the pistol was nerfed in Halo 2.

Bungie ruined Halo in the end with stupid gun nerfing system that made everything equally crap

>>15625692

>Walk into it, throw a spike grenade in, walk out

implying

>THEY don't just walk out with you

>the bubble shield doesn't malfunction in its range/area-detection and glitch that nade right outside at your feet while you are leaving (I've seen shit like this happen)

>>15625692

also

2's pistol might be weak as fuck but its oddly satisfying to run around frag-nade-ing people's shields down then finishing then off with a pistol headshot

>>15625264

>normal

anyone with a triple digit iq can complete normal with one hand tied behind their back

also hl2 is shit and so are its weapons

>>15625710

It's not foolproof but if you land a nade inside you've effectively neutralized the shield and your enemy is now probably shieldless and retreating

>>15625719

>Reach assault rifle

Did they buff it a little in Reach? I remember H3s rifle being plasma pistol-tier, but I played through most of Reach with an AR just fine. Seems like a buff would be in order given the reticle bloom.

>>15625859

nah, it's a piece of shit in reach compared to 3, with the damage dropoff and the bloom you need to dump atleast 1 and a half mag to kill one person with it

Insurgency has pretty realistic shotguns, though they aren't nearly as effective if enemies are wearing armor. Vermintide 2 shotguns are pretty mean. My favourite is Brutal Doom, where the shotgun hits HARD and the double-barrel can decapitate a Hell Knight if you're willing to risk melee range. Anything smaller will get fucked right up by even one solid hit from the pump-action.

>>15624845

About 30-50 yards (~33-47 metres, 105-150 feet) depending on length and choke and whatever. Basically video game shot guns are nearly all retarded.

>>15625150

>>15625150

>but from what I have heard it's like some cyberpunk RPG

I mean it's no deus ex there are no choices that you will be locked out of for not building proper stats or anything like that. Honestly I would say its more a horde shooter with stats more than anything and all of your stats and skills and unlocks go toward being a better and better and killing shit.

That being said there are some things I wouldn't try to go for straight away like doing missions with just melee or psi.

If what you want is a game where you can run around killing everything with enough dakka to make an ork blush then E.Y.E is for sure a good choice

Don't worry about the story or the setting too much and if anybody tells you to go in stealthy ignore them and call them a moron, stealth is for maybe sneaking up behind a guy before unloading on him and all his friends but is not something to be used then shot sporadic bursts

all of the guns are fun to use but range from not very useful (betty boom) to too useful to be fun for very long

I still have fond memories of loading shotguns with slugs and counter sniping snipers in Bad Company 2.

OP is a faggot who doesn't play good shooters.

>>15625719

>>15625859

So… Do you guys even remember how shitty the AR was in H1?

ODST is best Gaylo fite me about it

>>15626026

the h1 AR was like was like an SMG with a little bit of range it was pretty useless in the campaign but in multiplayer it had it's uses on close range if you got caught with your pants down so it was a panic weapon.

>>15626168

>>15626006

Here's a (You)

>>15624845

easily effective past 100 yards. which is further than most rifle engagements in most games.

>>15625946

>Insurgency

they got nerfed to shit awhile back due to armor, but in Sandstorm they're fucking unholy engines of total ass destruction again. it's fun to play co-op, have your teammates give you a hard time for taking a pump-action, then see them shut up when you rack up like 70 kills with it

>>15626197

Wait how did I get a (you)? I didn't even post in this thread, I was just scrolling

>>15626209

>easily effective past 100 yards

That's only with slugs. You're wasting time and ammo if you're trying to hit something with buckshot beyond 40 yards with a full choke

>>15624845

Depends entirely on the barrel length and shot shell. A long hunting shotgun loaded with slugs could kill someone across a football field

A short tactical barrel, like the SPAS in OPs 3rd pic, loaded with birdshot probably wouldn't be lethal or accurate past 30 yards (then again you'd never load a tac shotgun with birdshot)

>>15626373

I am planning on getting Vermintide once I stop living around the toaster poverty line.

>>15624869

This. Doom's shotgun is a very good depiction. Doom II's super shotgun is a sawn off double barrelled to make it not just a flat upgrade of the gun. It's also the one every fucking game copies for behaviour.

Payday 2 has some solid shotguns; there's bullshit like a doublebarrelled shotgun doing far more damage than an autoshotgun, but I guess it's justified by giving you a reason to take the thing in a game where you get rushed by hordes of police. If you spec into the shotgun related skills they can become sniper rifles even with buckshot.

now why dont we talk about how sniping weapons always out dps everything else

Bad Company 2 shotguns were perfect.

>>15626576

>Payday 2

some of the best shotgun-related fun i've ever had in a game. with the right build shotguns are just unstoppable at pretty much any range, and knocking a SWAT cop's helmet off at like 60 feet with the shotgun/revolver/pistol thing never stops being satisfying

>>15625159

Here's the thing my friend in the marine corps said this is basically what they tell then to aim for but really whenever marines engage with towelheads in the field they just dump magizines at them until they stop seeing people shooting back then wait and wait and keep shooting and more waiting.

>>15627187

Visible center of mass is typically taught because it increases hit probability. Both human targets and vehicles.

>>15627257

Yea they do shoot center mass but they also tell people if you can shoot someone in the head they talk specifically about the Tbox which is what someone else was referring to.

As much as I dislike Battlefield 4, they at least put realistic shotgun spread in the game. With a full choke on the pump action, you could still OHK people at 40m easily. For some reason they walked back on this for Battlefield We Wuz, however, with a maximum effective range of about 10m. I wonder if they'll make it realistic again for V, but who cares, nobody is going to play it anyway

>>15624845

With shotguns it depends heavily on the ammo; with as much choke as is practical, plated and pattern-controlled 2 3/4" #00 buck (a typical self-defense load) is accurate to about 50 yards and lethal past 100 while unplated 2 3/4" 00 buck without pattern control has an effective range of ~40 yards and is lethal to about 90. Plated 2 3/4" #4 birdshot is a viable option to no more than 10 yards and unplated #4 birdshot should be reserved for birds.

tl;dr accurate to 50 yards and lethal to 100

>>15624869

>Brutal Doom

Kill yourself back to reddit.

>>15628039

>Kill yourself back to reddit.

I know shitting on it is the cool thing to do, but the main shitty aspects of it are the community, and the awful code. The mod is otherwise pretty damn fun.

>>15628060

And the sad thing is the making of Doom 3 book implied they even tried to make them feel good.

>>15624549

In Max Payne 3, shotguns are pretty fun and rewarding to use.

>>15628097

>I know shitting on brutal doom is the cool thing to do

You're talking to a doomworld faggot who would get banned in a second if his fellow trannies knew he was posting on the big bad natzee site.

>>15625632

Halo 2 shotgun is complete garbage. Halo 1 is the only Halo with a great shotgun. Also the only Halo with a great pistol. and the only Halo worth playing

I did a shotguns-only playthrough in New Vegas and it was one of the most fun playthroughs I've had. Normally I don't even like shotguns.

>>15627097

*clink*

Rising storm 2 has pretty realistic shotguns

>>15628060

There's a mod that modifies it's spread cone to a realistic one and it basically makes it the most broken weapon of all like it should be.

>>15628153

Confirmed for never having played ODST.

>>15625719

>the had one of the most memorable multiplayer maps

wtf ever faggot

narrows is a remake, valhalla is a clone, and sandtrap SUCKED BALLZ (it was only fun for race mode)

>they are called gravlifts ….and are far better

sniped while flying thru the air like superman

>don't tell me you like lockout

Hating on lockout? Yup you’re a faggot.

>it's so easy to counter, just put a grenade inside it

Who said anything about countering it? It’s a retard mechanic and no one ever says GEE I LOVE THE BUBBLE SHIELD

also

its almost like no one ever walks out as well

>no it didn't, it's just that the game wasn't hitscan and it didn't have ridiculous aim

3 shot burst – 1 shot

NU UH ITS NOT NERFED

>it's far better story

HAHAHAHAHA

Now the flood is your ally, now the flood is your enemy, go back thru the same level yet again

You're a dipshit.

Go play fortnite noob

>>15634732

>>15625719

also

maps left off from 2 to 3

>no Sanctuary

>no Turf

>no Battle/Beaver Creek

>no Terminal

>no Elongation

>no Ivory Tower

>no Asencion

>no Relic

>no Colossus

>>15628136

>There were shotgun specific builds in Borderlands too

Even if you take out the cucked devs and their shitty propaganda from the game, it was still a watered down console game.

FEAR shotgun was good

>>15624549

Out of every man made weapon, the shotgun is by far my fave. Get one that you can easily change the barrel on to load slugs, buckshot, and bird shot and you basically got three fire arms in one. One for hunting small game, one for medium/self protection, and another for bigger game/long distance. While a rifle can out range a shotty with slugs, a rifle will need more than one round to down a bear. A slug will do it with just one.

Doom got the stopping power of a shotgun right despite having an unrealistic spread.

>>15629584

Probably because they were bad and didn't understand that the most effective strategy against a shotgun wielding dominant player is range. They continued to run into shotty range like lemmings without ever learning a damn thing from all those deaths and abused their intellects to get back at their own suckage.

>>15628153

>and the only Halo worth playing

Indeed. The pistol was a starting master weapon if one could actually land head shots. I say it like this because I was cheap for being better than people. Almost every gun is "cheap" (((good))) when used effectively. Even that shitty pin needle gun. It's awesome when used correctly. But people aim at their enemy instead of where they're going to be with it. Even the assault rifle was good despite needing many rounds. Halo 1 was the most balanced weapon and vehicle wise out of all of them. But developers and those in charge suck ass and believe that mindless change/catering to losers is a good thing.

>>15628060

Trying to forget. You're not helping!

>>15624912

I'd kill and eat them.

>>15624549

> Shotguns nerfed almost all the time

> a weak-looking knife slash is a insta-kill

>>15644021

That was the cheapest shit ever and people didn't think so because it was an escape for their weak selves in real life.

>>15625616

Gonna fix this caption right there for you.

>I'm so bad at video games that I have to mimic those better than me to at least get a kill in. Nerf! Nerf! Nerf!

I killed many a people with that gun, but I also killed many a people using that gun with basically every gun. Only gun I was bad with was the needle gun, but a friend of mine was a terror with it, so I understood that it was me and not the weapon.

Counter Strike probably started it. It's the cancer that killed FPS-games.

don't dead

>>15625253

The area of engagement in video games is slightly smaller than the real world Anon.

>>15644489

It would jam when you "pump" it. Not when you pull the trigger.

>>15660437

>>15660433

sag neggeted

>>15624950

They're the only thing that you can get a confirm headpop on and feel very satisfying when you do.

>>15624881

If that was true, you'd be flat on your ass from the recoil, but you aren't. This is really basic shit, and there are plenty of videos of people taking buckshot to a vest and it doesn't even rock them on their heels. Anon, did you fail physics?