/v/ - Video Games

>playing shit games

>be surprised when you find shit meta

It’s all on you faggot

>>15615422

what game ?

im of the opinion that if "meta" is ever established then the game is a poorly balanced turd.

not meta in the sense that certain things are more effective in certain situations but more in the sense that only 1 dominating strategy is viable that every nigger looks up on youtube. Faggots dont want engaging gameplay they just want to win even if it means just pushing a button to do it.

Also dead by daylight is shit and you should hang yourself op.

>>15615388

I asked a friend why no one wore shoes playing PUBG. It's because going barefoot is more quiet than putting on cosmetic shoes. What the fuck?

>>15615460

Find me a better serial killer simulator then. Mmo's don't count.

>>15615465

Makes a lot of sense really, i also remember that everyone played day z and its clones (pubg, fortshite, war z) on very low settings because that way shitters couldn't camp on thick bushes, so everyone's forced to go full offense instead of hiding in the shadows and striking from behind like a massive fucking faggot.

>>15615468

Can't say I played it personally but seeing footage of barefoot people running around shooting at each other was bizarre.

>>15615474

Yeah the same with source games on lowest. Because it's easier to see people moving when they don't blend at all with the background, even though they already barely blend with the background.

The "evasion tank" in TERA Online.

Or chainstabbing in Dark Souls 1.

>>15615460

Meta just means the most prevalent strategies, not the optimal ones

>>15615459

Ninjas in Final Fantasy 11. It got so bad they eventually had to hardcode a "truehit" property into just about every end game boss that bypasses the copy image skill so people would use other classes. Of course, people still used it because they had other advantages, but I've never once seen it used as the developers originally intended.

>playing a turn based dungeon crawler RPG

>8 classes, all with their own strengths and weaknesses

>the strongest party is 4 thieves going invisible and then backstabbing

>>15615388

>vanilla wow

>raiding

>wipe imminent, rogues vanish and go naked

>hunters feign death and go naked

>25% of the raid is naked and dead on the ground

>fug repair bills

>>15615604

>that one guy who saves the group with goblin jumper cables

>>15615460

Literally almost every video game has a meta, it's almost impossible to avoid. Not just in the sense of using a strategy just to win all the time, but also how to get through the game the fastest/speedruns, how to do certain quests, in stealth games maybe how to get through the game without getting caught

But I do agree that people who look up meta-strats are big fags

Why the fuck is this thread anchored?

>>15615670

Because it isn't a mobile game general.

>>15615670

Probably because OP used that particular image, or typed "mfw", despite this clearly being a legitimate video game thread. Mods are autistic.

>>15615670

videogame discussion isn't allowed on /v/ now, only shills do that. Come on lad get with it.

>>15615670

Probably because it contains "meta".

>>15615670

Reason #5

>>15615470

You could play actual games instead of mindless shit like that.

>Ghost Recon Phantoms I was bored and wanted to try something new with a friend

>Game is made in a way that the meta is literally turning every path in the map into a campfest, where every path becomes a death sentence if you don't stick in cover long enough until someone decides to break the monotony with grenades, an ability or some clever strategy

>Had enough of that shit, decide to try some fuckery with shotguns

>sprint down the line of fire with my crosshair on where people normally take cover

>Players have zero idea how to deal with a moving target and so it works for a while

>Eventually the meta of any match shifts into a dynamic team based fight instead of a sit in cover and take potshots at anyone still getting in position, with suppression and whatnot

Fuck I really want to play it again but underneath all the good memories I can still remember how shit the game was.

>>15615721

t. Isai

>>15615567 were TF2, DOTA 2 and Awesomenauts respectively

> Robocraft

Gatling guns are better and more effective snipers due to fire rate and shitty netcode, stagger your shots and you have near 100% accuracy

>>15615388

>UT99

>people play female characters since they had a skinnier hitbox.

>nali warcows were secretly the god-tier character to play since their headshot hitbox was above the model, not the actual head of the cow

>>15615388

Naked Corvettes in Stellaris, caused by Paradox's shitty balancing and split into three parts. It took them 2 YEARS to fix that. Corvettes get the most EHP for their cost, because they can stack up to 90% evasion while having only 2-3 times worse hull point cost effectiveness. This means that, say, even if they pay 10 minerals per HP, with 90% evasion they get 10 EHP for 10 minerals, whereas cruisers, for example, pay 3 minerals for 1 HP, have 15% evasion and effectively get about 4 EHP per 10 minerals.

Naked part comes from the fact that base, tier 1 (out of 5) guns provide the most bang per buck, so instead of mounting the best guns on the best ships (corvettes), you mount the cheapest ones and get better DPS for the same price.

At last, there's also naval cap and maintenance costs. Naked corvettes are more resource-effective, but less naval point-effective and once you build over the cap, the maintenance costs increase. However, since those corvettes are made from cheapest shit possible, the maintenance is low as well, to the point that spamming naked corvettes up to around double your naval cap is still better than teching up and playing the game normally. Quite ironic, the best way to play a science-fiction game was to completely ignore the science part.

>>15615779

I stopped playing that when they made hyperlanes the only FTL method because 'muh multiplayer balance'. Also the gay warscore thing. How terrible.

>>15615462

man i want to fuck that emoji

>>15615779

That reminds me of battletech tabletop, wehre the easiest way to win is to not use mechs at all.

Hovercrafts meant to be used to fill out your spare deployment tonnage are also the most cost-effective unit in the game with their 1 medium laser. It is next to impossible to lose if you spam them.

>>15615892

>"tactical shooter"

>size and length of the firearm is never once taken into consideration when determining what works best in any given situation

everytime

>>15615708

Can confirm this. All you have to do is use the heavy machine gun class and blitz in with the shield and use the microwave to stun everyone camping around. You are pretty much guaranteed to take out like 3/4 of their team before they can take you down from sustained fire. Pretty broken honestly. I can remember going like 26-2 from doing that once. Makes using anything else look boring in comparison.

>>15615388

But did it work, Hitler?

>>15615987

Like a motherfucking klingon cloaking device

>>15616005

I don't think people understand the tactical advantages of a bald negress.

I'll actually have to say warframe got an extremely strange meta back when void keys were a thing

>Fairly easy game to play, most weapons can be useful in most content

>The end game stuff comes from 1 time use key missions

>However the Defense/Survival mission types are endless and loop the loot table around the longer you go

>Game has messed up scaling that gets exponentially harder

>Players begin to seriously break the game down and soon every aspect of the game is based on how well it preforms in this one fringe case

You can see this influence even to this day, new weapons and frames are tested against level 150 enemies, a level you are never going to actually see in the game proper.

>>15616104

Oh, and also

>Console versions allow you to lean but only while ADS and by clicking the left and right sticks in

>PC version allows you to lean whenever by just pressing Q & E

>>15615474

>waaah why are they using stealth

>>15616104

>consolefags unanimously agreed to use shotguns and DMRs since both do high damage to the torso

Have you been playing in solely copper or casual? In the higher ranks, even on consoles, if you're using a shotgun or a DMR outside of characters that only have DMRs (i.e Dokkaebi), you're intentionally gimping yourself against the majority who are using ARs.

>Play payday 2

>Hotline Miami Day 2

>Get to the top of the apartments

>Start grabbing the coke lying around the apartment

>Host gets stupidly mad about it because it's part of the meta to just leave money and coke where it is while a fucking chopper blows up the building

>kick

>>15615561

>Meta just means the most prevalent strategies, not the optimal ones

This guy gets it. I've seen plenty of metas where people were just doing stupid shit. ASSFAGGOTS in particular suffer from a severe case of slavishly adhering to a shitty meta. There's nothing like watching so many people religiously mimic pro builds because they fail to realize that the current game is at a different skill level with a different team loadout where other strategies and builds would be far more effective. Wooo.

Stopped playing 'em sometime ago but I still remember this shit about them.

>>15616423

I've heard of people getting banned from LoL because they played outside the meta.

>>15616440

>Cast on death builds

sounds hilarious, game?

>>15616450

Path of Exile has them, I think some others do but I don't remember them.

>>15616126

That's because high ranks in every console game are dominated by players using KB&M adapters.

Just by using it, you will start climbing until you stall with other KB&M users.

>>15616475

>play 4v4 warcraft 3

>Constant tiny skirmishes while we try to level our proto moba grognaks like chodes

>Eventually we are all resource starved

>2 enemies concede

>we demolish the other

>Where the fuck is enemy 4?

>An orc who literally built a fucking ocean of watch towers

>Shit like hydras and undead wyrmns are torn to fucking ribbons

>Becomes a war of attrition where every bit of gold is squeezed out to try and destroy this guy by cutting through a sphere of hot death

We won in the end but you gotta respect the hustle.

>>15616475

>Not build a wall and a few castles around your enemies base

>>15616489

>Not just flying your base into his base so you can base while he base.

>Weird strats

>>15616428

>I've heard of people getting banned from LoL because they played outside the meta.

I've heard of that too. IIRC that was pretty legit. Some shit about LoL tribunal being run by fags who will ban people for diverging too far from the meta. When I played LoL that shit didn't happen to me though, and I played ADC Janna (Janna is highly mobile semi-fragile turbo-support, and I played it as an auto-attack carry), though I reckon I got away with that because I would win games doing it while racking up ridiculously impressive killing sprees, and it's hard to punish people for dramatic success. If you're wondering about the build: It worked because I stacked up for uber farm, doubled up on barriers (barrier spell + janna barrier ability, Janna's damage-absorbing barrier gives a hefty attack damage bonus while it lasts - you're supposed to use ability power to increase the size and throw it on allies, but I just self-cast it and stacked a second barrier on top so it wouldn't run out easily, then pummeled enemies with my high autoattack), moved so damn fast I was too mobile to gank while I farmed up (and would thus usually kite my would-be ganker to death or escape if I couldn't), and there was a relatively inexpensive item you could charge up that allowed you to add a percentage of mana to your attack damage once it was fully charged (Janna has the highest mana in the game). The charge up is normally slow as hell (and most ADC heroes don't have very high mana) since it only charges up whenever you use an ability and you needed a hundred charges or shit but I would spam abilities like fucking crazy to charge it up fast and got it going at 15 mins super-reliably. I think you can still do Muramana Janna with Barrier spell, although damn near everything else has changed. Clarity is gone, iirc. That was an important part of charging muramana and keeping it going during fights.

I almost never played LoL though. It was just a facerolling game where I did stupid shit like above: take the ultimate support, make it the ultimate carry. Why not.

>>15616440

IIRC Path of Exile's Cast on Death meta was caused by people realizing that if you stack multiple trigger support gems, the ability would be locked to go off of the first trigger (probably Cast when Damage Taken), but it would still benefit from Cast on Death's quadruple damage multiplier. So people weren't really using it to cast spells by dying; it was just a godlike damage multiplier. I think there are real Cast on Death builds too, but they weren't that popular for obvious reasons. Cast on Death's most common use was just to throw in a portal support gem so that the game would automatically open a portal at the location you died if you get killed. I think there were one or two builds that used Cast on Death to spam totems or shit to kill stupidly annoying bosses while they weren't there because the bosses wouldn't fight back or something.

I only played hardcore Path of Exile though, so for obvious reasons I never saw a Cast on Death build.

AoM:T tiny matches are pretty weird

Dota is the king of this

>Make invisible assassin/DPS

>Is used as a ward slut

>Make ES a team fight support

>Plays best as an assasin/carry

>>15616537

The banning apparently only happens in ranked matches or something. I really don't know a damn thing about the game because it looks like pure cancer.

>>15616542

forgot I could just look one up on kiketube

>>15616686

It's funny how prevalent this is in MMOs. I guess designers overcompensate for a class's inability to use a shield because they assume the shield one will be best by default when it almost never is.

This one's from several years ago, but…

>most consistent deck's gimmick involves having no cards in hand ata ll

>>15616707

>FFXIV has Paladins and Warriors

>Knights with Sword and Board

>Berserker with giant great axe

>Knight has protective cooldowns out the ass

>Berserker just gets more angery

>Knights considered trash as fuck and never taken on raids

>Then Dark Knights show up and is a damage heavy greatsword tank

>Warrior/Dark Knight was the meta for forever till Palicucks got the rework their whining demanded.

Rainbow six siege bandit tricking. Possibly the most suicidally depressed people on planet earth using a fast death machine character with a nitro cell and amazing guns spending the entire round up to the last 20 seconds trying to burn breach charges.

>>15616750

I've never bothered with 14 but this makes sense. When you have better equipment the need for more survivability isn't necessary, so raw damage, and in turn aggro, is more desirable.

>>15616809

>"Darks Souls 3 would be better if"

You coudl follow this with literally anything.

>>15616827

Its like the people that get caught cheating at EVO. They don't want the equal challenge and to feel accomplished. They want to be a big dick G.

>>15616829

>dark souls 3 would be better if it were dark souls 2

wrong

>>15616834

Are you actually saying ds3 has better pvp than ds2?

>>15616834

Good to see the new Dark Souls thread is up.

>>15616084

Brozime is that you?

>>15616537

>decide to give league of lards a chance

>sups are cool and nobody want to play them

>play mostly bard, sona

>Full AP

>carry team all the time

>"we won thanks to you, but you played it wrong"

Fucking NPCs.

>>15616849

Even when it's cosmetic only it attracts e-peen shitters who deem you unworthy of their presence for not having the cash to blow on the prettiest pony. The only winning move is to not play.

>>15616844

I'm saying that DS3 is actually playable, looks better, has a better looking armor set, the DS2 armors look better in DS3, better bosses, better story, better pizza, papa Gaels.

The PVP is better beyond the fact that everyone is a shithead when it comes to honor battles.

>>15616881

Tell us more about it. Any furfag got extremely anal because of the bantz?

>>15616857

I’m starting to believe that online ranking systems are fucking irrelevant and online play in general is just “playing it wrong” on its face. Doesn’t matter what game you play if you get up to the higher echelons of play you will still see teams or individuals that aren’t well rounded players occupying top ranks. Play any game sf5 counterstrike etc and you will still see people that aren’t that good occupying top spots in rank because there is no ranking system that can adequately measure a players actual value outside of real life league play. When it comes to my own experience I’ve gotten pretty high in the rainbow six ranking system and the only real difference is that the players are more mechanically adept than people ranked lower even in games against diamonds which are supposed to be the “best”( in real league play they would just be dogshit though like the rest of us) do some of the dumbest high risk shit and still get unpunished. I view rank as more of a “potential” indicator than anything of real value. Online ranking systems are a meme how many people have grandmaster in sf5 but can’t even win a local tournament? Lots.

>>15616895

>but its word, its locations

Right, because climbing to the top of a windmill, then somehow going even farther up in an elevator that brings you to a lava world makes for some good stuff.

>>15616750

>the entirety of the "Hybrid Tax" for anything not a warrior, rogue, and mage in early WoW

I should have known it was going to be a shitshow from the start. Talk about not having a clue about class balance.

>>15615470

Friday 13th.

White Noise 2.

Deceit.

>>15616809

There's only a few places that get lots of honor duels. Just invade somewhere else.

>>15616911

Can you name any other egregious standout? Any at all?

Because that is literally the go to. "But muh windmill though". Motherfucker i am showing you visual examples of total reskin bosses here. DS3 gets shit on for a reason that is well earned. DS2 is flawed. Its biggest crimes were the lighting downgrade and not being the shortcut porn the first was. DS3 was a soulless cash in recycling reskinned bloodborne assets because bamco wanted another meme game to shill to the mainstream before the fad died down.

If you enjoy it great, have fun with it, but 'muh windmill' does not excuse the flaws with DS3 which are far, far greater and more numerous than DS2's problems which are often just a case of disappointing mediocrity.

>>15616918

>pozzed devs that tried to witchhunt a player that beat their hags fair and square, then lost the license so the game is dead

>streamer b8 literally designed for polaris marketing vectors

>nobody plays deceit

>>15616924

>Some people just applied to become mods so they could ban me for proppushing

Why couldn't they just find another server? I never understood the nanny state thats become of gmod. Everything has to be a no fun hugbox of pillows and anyone who dares step over the line gets banned on the spot.

Man I miss when shit was chaotic and actually fun.

>>15616911

>>15616941

The windmill thing is a meme complaint, no one's experience was ever ruined by it in any way.

>>15616941

DS2 is far more flawed than you're making it out to be.

>But m-muh boss reskins

See I can do it too.

>>15616918

>>15616945

if only people played deceit

I want souls autists to fuck off to their containment thread.

>>15616895

>But its just a shitty recycle of bloodborne stuff.

>All the stuff that didn't make it into another good game was put in this good game

yes, and?

>vordt is BB

They are both on all fours, I guess that's true, but that doesn't make any of their attack patterns similar.

>everything from the timing to the color pallet is a recycle

>two games from the same company released at similar times look similar

yes, and?

>the locations and build variety

>implying Dark Souls 3 requires dex

I'm at level 73 playing through as a heavy cathedral knight with a greathammer and towershield, 32 strength, ~25 in vig, vit, fai, 7 dex, tell me how dex has anything to do with shit.

>>15616952

>Guy playing jason wins a game

>Girls he beats are friends with devs who white knight them

>Claim guy was gabergoober mysoginerd out to hate THE VVYMYN

>Guy goes "uh, yeah i was recording the gameplay so here it is"

>Proves devs are pussywhipped beta cucks and full of shit

>Devs become a laughing stock as well as being considered anti consumer and interest in the game dries up overnight and they claim its harassment from gamergate and the alt right

>Dead by Daylight has freddy, myers, leatherface, saw and rumours of candyman on the way

>Friday the 13th brand gets into legal trouble

>In effort to clean house of any bad press the rights to the brand are outright rescinded from the games devs

>They cry even more that people hate women and if you want to support women buy the game

>Nobody does

>Has literally 20 times smaller userbase than DBD on steam alone and dropping.

They fucked up. They fucked up so hard. Never take the soylent pill.

>>15616976

>t-they aren't any better!

Oh? So they tried to ruin a guy because he beat their galpals in a videogame as well? they aren't any better than that?

I will never understand friday the 13th shills on /v/, if you want to push SJW devs you may as well give up the ghost and tell us which boyfriend was your favourite in mass erect andromeda.

>>15616987

I guess the most inconceivable portion of this is being such a beta fag that you personally go after the players who beat your precious womyn in vidya

>>15616987

I want this video, is it available somewhere?

>>15616959

I posted my gripe there too, but I wanted to talk about the shitty pvp mentality in dark souls in general, since I know that all of them are overrun with fightclubs of some sort.

>>15617011

Just search 'friday the 13th devs lying' on youtube for thousands of videos about it. It got forgotten pretty quick, but then in hindsight so did the game.

>>15616987

>Being that much of a soylent pussywhipped faggot

Taking away the Friday the 13th rights wasn't enough, they should have sued them for damages to the brand.

>low dps glass cannon build

>>15616976

>And DS2 wasn't?

DS2 definitely had a soul, it was just the soul of an aborted child with downs.

Chivalry has a strange & broken meta.

>>15617000

This. DBD's devs are incompetent retards who couldn't balance a game properly if their lives depended on it, but they are not actively malicious like F13's are.

>>15616987

>>15617019

Now that Gun/Illfonic's turd is dead in the water, I wonder what the chances are of Jason getting added to DBD.

Before it was basically zero, but now it could possibly happen.

It would the biggest way the DBD devs could possibly just take a massive shit on the F13 devs.

>>15616428

>played outside the meta

I got kicked out of a WoW guild back in vanilla for not having the exact same optimal healing build the Priest class-leader had.

Think i had a few points in making shields better because that's how i roll, shields were awesome.

Atleast there was karma in the making, you dont just kick an active well-liked player who's proven he knows his shit because of such minor bullshit and expect his friends to just suck it up without leaving too.

>>15617033

oh and dont forget they ft13th devs didnt just say he was sexist they said he was a pedophile and banned anyone that questioned them.

>>15617035

They kicked you because shields fuck with rage generation most likely. Really dumb regardless.

>>15617018

>Just search 'friday the 13th devs lying' on youtube for thousands of videos about it

thousands of videos about how shit of a game it is, but finding something relevant about that specific event is difficult

best I can do is some shitty commentator having a camera on his fat ugly face while he talks about how bad it is that devs ban people

>>15617000

>if you don't like DBD you're a shill

>the F13 devs are shit so just ignore that the DBD devs are also shit

And you called me a shill.

>>15617044

They literally tried to get a man witch hunted for being a pedophile because he beat their female friends in a game. They just decided 'this customer beat our friends, lets tell our userbase he is a pedophile.

Fucking come on lad, front of the class, defend this horsehist.

>>15617044

Im not sure what kind of world you live in were "Incompetent at making a properly balanced game" is anywhere on the same level as "Banned and set up a witchhunt on one of the games players to destroy their reputation all because they beat one of the devs friends"

>>15617055

The world where he bought the game and equates criticism of his purchase to personal attack probably. There aren't many fans of the game left but the ones that are are rabid. Battleborn rules basically.

>>15617042

Found this one, but he just talks about what happened. Can't seem to find a copy of the actual event in question

>>15617076

>Not getting a squad of storm troopers to blast away the jedi scum

faggot

>>15617084

>Playing stormtrooper when you can just be a Mandalorian

faggot

>>15616531

wew

>>15617041

Only if you throw it on the tank too soon, like when he's pulling or if there's plenty of tank juggling it may fuck it up but if the caster in question has a half a fucking brain and i like to think i have more than a handful of cells behind my ugly sack of shit face he should know when's the best time to throw it and when not.

He was just more worried about having competition over drops.

>>15617098

>Implying that shiny battle droids and dekas arn't the master race

wew lad

>>15617155

>monthly top: $2,800

imagine giving 1/2 of the average person's monthly salary just to appease someone who plays video games over the internet

>>15617076

>playing MB2 back in the day with 150+ ping

>warping around, unhittable because of shit connection and fucking everyone up with lightsaber

>"change class or get banned"

>swap to hero/BH, sniping people around corners and watching their models whip back to where they were 10 seconds ago

>constantly spamming voice taunts while teleporting

>ultra salt

>banned

They were simpler times, better times.

>>15615561

Well, no.

Metagaming is when you use out-of-game knowledge or previously learned knowledge to gain an advantage in-game. Which, like most things, came from DnD/Pen and paper RPG's where faggots would look up campaigns and play like an omniscient prick; coincidentally only searching the boxes that had items in them and knowing exactly how much hp every monster had and what their weaknesses are.

>>15617158

I've read some pretty disturbing stories about donate-orbiters.

>>15617225

I have a pic somewhere of some camwhore getting like 16k from a single guy.

>>15617255

post it

>>15617224

meta = most effective tactic available

At least that's how a lot of game communities seem to be using the word. Your definition does make more sense given the original meaning of the word meta though.

>>15615892

>Fal is better in close than a pdw

This is true IRL

PDWs are shit weapons, pistol calibers don't belong in rifle packages. The advantage of a PDW is that it can be small for storage, IE being a vehicle crew's weapons, and rate of fire, so you don't have to aim very well and can just point it out of a hatch and hose. In close this is also useful but pistol calibers even out of a rifle length barrel are ineffective against modern bodyarmor.

>>15617308

I didn't know they made a Wario World online game.

>>15615465

Like in most old games you take female character for lower hitsurfaces

>>15617382

People make short, skinny female characters with skintight clothes in APB Reloaded so they can hide behind dumpsters and certain low walls. The hitboxes are exact same for all players, but it's obviously harder to see smaller characters around corners or over walls.

>>15617316

>Wario dual-wields shotguns for when his shoulder tackle misses

If only

>>15615942

Ghost recon as a multiplayer game has always been rainbows retarded brothee

I think in most MMO's there is just one thing that will almost ALWAYS be core to a meta and thats a healer

Lots have mention that DPS suddenly becoming tanks and tanks obsolete but normally the healer is still always core in those groups

Not exactly Meta but when people take LMG or Sniper but never use it to cover you, and I don't mean that they are better in other use because of something , no these people just take the gun because it looks cool but will never lay cover fire for you

>>15617488

There are a few fights in FFXI where having a healer is practically impossible or detrimental. They're all mid level gimmick fights though.

>>15617301

No. Meta refers to what's popular, not what's best. People often think that the meta is the best way of doing things when it's either the wrong tool for the job or just a somewhat subpar way of doing things.

>JRPG with a premise involving huge summons and lots of magic

>the meta generally involves getting really good weapons through RNG abuse and using crit-boosting equipment so your standard melee attack always crits

>Payday 2 shotgun meta used to be (and might still be) to have as close to 0 accuracy as possible because the gun basically fires a cone rather than actual pellets, and if any part of that cone hits an enemy, it counts as if they were hit by a full shotgun blast

>lowering accuracy makes the cone wider because the devs are completely incompetent

>>15617308

what game is this borderlands 2?

>>15617637

FF8

>>15617224

I know the meaning and the origin of the term, and what you've said does not contradict my description

>>15617962

I think a defining feature of a games “meta” is that it’s easy to do. When something becomes a meta element of the game that you have to understand in order to get ahead it’s usually not some super difficult complex stuff(unless we are talking about a game like melee where meta is autistic to the point of continuous loops of 1 frame inputs that when done long enough actually destroy the tendons in your hands)

>>15616905

This is because ranking systems are far too often based 90% on your teams performance and only 10% on your own.

A win adds to your rank, no matter how shitty you played, which enables bad players/streamers to feel/look good. Sadly, this comes with the side effect of having worthless ranks due to boosting of bad players and unfair punishment of good players that end up with a bad team.

Its also "pure coincidence" that these games always have problems with "toxic communities" (LoL,R6,Overwatch). This surely cant be the result of punishing players for their teammates mistakes.

For a rank to mean anything it has to be based on the players performance. The win/loss ratio is a somewhat meaningless factor in a players performance as opposed to comparing for example the damage done in a match to the average for the used class/character.

But that would prevent boosting, and thus make certain people look like the incompetent dipshits they are, so nobody does this.

>>15617976

>fightclubs are fine because they're only in two areas

yeah, the road of sacrafices and anor londo, the two places that use auto invades and the only place where I can get my covenant specific items for my holy men or wolfbros. They slow down my crusade to a halt because if I decide to actually try to go for my covenant item I get stomped on by thirty invaders and phantoms because fuck me for trying to actually play the game and not be a total faggot. Most fightclubbers are trashy edgelords.

>>15617988

This also happens in games like sf5 though where you can win most of your matches and get a really high plat diamond/grandmaster rank but totally flounder in certain character matchups and still get a high rank even if you struggle against gold level akumas which essentially means that you will never win a tourney because you struggle against bad players and can’t figure out the matchups doesn’t matter though keep playing long enough and you’ll still get your super diamond because it’s not like you are going to have to fight good akumas every game. That’s just an example. I think you are right about win loss and date I say k/d even being relevant when it comes to competitive 5v5 games(because if you are actually playing to win in a lot of cases depending on how the enemy responds to you and the flow of combat there is a lot of randomness when it comes to kill death ratio. You will see pro players on teams who will win games but some players on the team have negative ratios at the end but that’s due to the nature of the jobs they are doing. The truth about performance in game is that they can’t measure how “impactful” your play actually is. Sure anyone who plays rainbow can rack up a decent k/d if they play really safe characters and camp a lot but if they keep losing rounds do their kills or does their performance matter? Nope they are just feeding their stats. I’ve seen tons of players play games like cs/r6 nah shooter you name it who play like they know they are going to lose so they don’t push with the team they just hang back let everyone die and camp for kills so their precious ratios don’t go down essentially their broken kd focused mentality is causing them to lose and yea they might stay in gold for the rest of their life but muh kd.

>>15617996

All you had to do was press A, CJ

>>15618098

>still posting his self caps

>WAS a faggot

Pick one

>>15618157

>can clearly see the brush seeping into the top 5 pixels above where you used it

AGAIN

>>15618157

Good enough for the casual reader, but someone might call you on it but you can just play dumb

>>15618090

I still don't understand how this motherfucker can't even experiment with the menu to figure anything out. I fucking looked into this guy and he's being fucking real too.

This is some hardcore narcissism. He absolutely can't admit that he's wrong and the reason he's so incomptant is literally because he can't admit his mistakes. His fucking mentality is beyond alien, he's missing essential pieces that make him human. And worst of all, I can't feel sorry for him. I want to slap the shit out of this guy. It doesn't seem like a disorder that he got from birth.

>>15618200

He's an autist, but not just that, raised to think he's right and everyone else is wrong. That's my decision, based on zero evidence.

>GTA5 Online

>horde cash

>buy flying car/motorcycle that shoots rockets

>wreck other people's shit for easy money

>enjoy griefing and people yelling at you through their mics

>>15618207

He could also be coddled AND abused. A bipolar or borderline family member who has it bad will constantly accuse the kid of doing things he didn't, leading the kid to develop narcissism from an early age, basically since he's accused all the time for shit he never did, he either becomes an abused doormat or he breaks and thinks he's never wrong and everyone else is at fault.

So yeah, he was raised to think he's right, but that sort of behavior comes from his own conclusions. He might have also been sexually abused as well and kept a lisp into later in his life, so he likely is averse to change as well because of treatment in his life.

He still needs the shit slapped out of him though.

>>15618266

Maybe this poor fella was lobotomized at some point.

>>15618336

What did Jolteon ever do?

>>15617988

Stop complaining so much. It's a team game yeah but there is a reason that the highest elo players keep climbing and maintaining their high elo positions. Put a high rated player in the lowest league in any game and he will get out of there real fast no matter the game. Yeah sure sometimes you get absolutely atrocious teams and there is no way in fucking hell you win but you still win more than you lose because low ranked players are usually so garbage that there is no way a good player can't abuse them and solo carry the game.

>>15618324

Did this goober come back at some point? I thought he nuked all his stuff on Jewtube and promptly vanished into the abyss.

>>15617301

Meta means most popular. Really relevant in something like pokemon where half the teams become counter meta to whatever disgusting broken things nindy makes every new game. It ends up rotating in cycles because of this.

Speaking of pokemon shout outs to the competitive stall teams with 400 turn plus matches taking hours. Very good reason I stopped playing that game

>>15618459

>Speaking of pokemon shout outs to the competitive stall teams with 400 turn plus matches taking hours

Smogon has a lot to do with this shit, they ban every viable mon, move, and strategy that's a serious threat to stall.

>>15618469

Okay but consider VGC, focus sash dark void smergal. If you hit you win if you miss you're down a pokemon. Also sheer cold and bluck being a viable strat

>>15616895

>>15616960

Vordt has very similar hitboxes to BSB but BSB is faster and they have different moves.

The real ripoff is how they tried to meme BB's fast-paced combat into DS3 by nerfing everything that made a slow and meticulous defensive playstyle possible in the first place. Shields? Nerfed on stability and resistances. Armor? Nerfed on POISE and resistances again, no upgrades. Some bosses attack and recover so fast that if you aren't using a fast weapon like straight swords there aren't any openings you can exploit, looking at you Nameless King. Nioh came out at around the same time as DS3 and was far, far better.

>>15617986

>I think a defining feature of a games “meta” is that it’s easy to do.

If that were true Chivalry wouldn't be full of duelists who lose their shit when you do a feint, which is easier to do and fully intended, then the bug exploit of rapid speed swinging which requires practice to get right. Pay attention to what he says, meta is the most popular strategies if it's Assfaggots or an online game with new blood still coming in then it's usually about 1-2 weeks before the meta changes.

If there was any caveat I would add the overall player perception of how things should be in regards to skill, fairness, etc. because that influences meta.

Back when Rust started going to shit I argued that this was why having race and gender randomly set without being able to change put light skin players at a disadvantage.

>special move of a certain weapon allows you to run around circles making this the best stall tactic

>>15616452

Remember when Paypay 2 was complaining that they could only get so rich from the shittons of dlc they shoved down their players' throats so they added lootboxes?

I don't because I'd already quit from the shitty DLC they expected me to buy

>>15617461

The M1 carbine was the proto-PDW in WWII. It was given to engineer units, messengers, ammo runners, people who needed something light and compact that wouldn't interfere with their primary, non-combat duties like a bulky, heavy infantry rifle, but still ran the risk of having to defend against enemy infantry who managed to bypass the front line and needed something better than a pistol to do so. And plenty of Sea Bees had no issue with carrying it in the Pacific, aside from idiots who tried to use it at the same range as Garand-carrying GIs.

>>15617996

this guy should quit the internet to secure his perimitah

>>15616450

There are a few jewels and one or two items that have "cast on death" in Diablo II which are intended for PvP so there's a chance of drawing. There's also the move "Memento Mori" in Pokémon.

>>15616104

The newer cods have a similar disparity between console and PC too. On Black Ops 3 on console they had none of the ridiculous auto-aim magnetism for snipers so to compensate they made them one-hit kills pretty much anywhere, even applying to the three-round burst sniper; needless to say the snipers were pretty broken on PC, but its hilarious watching people trying to aim them on a controller without any assistance.

Its crazy how much auto-aim console shooters have, and when you watch people play them its pretty much a game of who shot first and has the best dps since the hardest part is done for you.

>>15616470

>KB&M adapters

I didn't realize this was even a thing, if it wasn't so dare I would be tempted to get one just for messing around with shitters on a friend's console

>>15617255

I actually personally know one whore who got $5,000 EVERY MONTH from a guy for the past year or so who not only is already married with kids, but never even got to fuck her by her own admission. Even her car is bought and paid for by this dude in addition to the $5,000/month. What amazes me is being able to give away that kind of money every month to some whore you never even meet while already having a wife and kids of your own implies that you make way more than that which means dude is supposed to be pretty chad, but become severely retarded when dealing with a particular type of wymyn.

>>15617976

I dont even mind fighting a big group myself I just HATE doing it at the bonfire

and there are so many bonfires holy shit

>>15616750

>Knights considered trash as fuck and never taken on raids

? I raided as a Paladin during 2.X and 3.X with never a problem, we cleared Nael on tier and had Bahamut down to its final phase before that particular raid crew fell apart.

>>15616952

That reaction pic doesn’t mean what you think it means

>>15616750

Biggest problem for pld was that pre sb their shield block + str mitigation only worked on physical dmg, while at the same time hw had quite a lot of heavy hitting pure magic tbs.

They rly didn't think that through design wise, and after the whining kicked in they overompensated so much for sb release, that they had to weaken pld dps (especially holy spirit potency) with every single patch.

>>15617988

Fuck I hope one game will eventually implement that type of system

>playing RB6

>be anchor or light roamer rook, echo, Kapkan, frost in defense and tactical support in attack glaz, twitch, thatcher

>have something like 1.8 win/loss but 0.9 of k/d

>people shit on me when I look for a team to rank with

Being of help to the team is suffering

>>15618497

>Also sheer cold and bluck being a viable strat

Luck sacking is still possible in smogon though?

And as per usual it isn't particularly viable in either meta.

Weaker tools doesn't actually remove the chance.

>focus sash dark void smergal

You're retarded if you think people run this anymore post dark void nerf;

it wasn't particularly good in the first place due to how easy it is to deal with sash in doubles.

How a small group of autistic neck beards took a beautiful game, removed 90% of it, and called it competitive. I'm talking about Smash Bros and here's why they have always stuck with the no items and limited stages:

Autistic people hate change. They can't stand it because they are simple minded people capable of intensely focusing on one thing but only if that one thing is the only thing happening.

These faggots uncovered some OP meta that made characters like kirby and pikachu god tier (64) while everyone else got fucked. But the game was never balanced or intended to be balanced for competitive 1 v 1 no items. It was balanced for FFA items on. Hence heavy characters like DK really take a beating while jiggles can die with a bat at like 30% being thrown.

If you've never played one of these autist then you have no ides what it looks like to not have fun actively. Their combos are unbreakable once they start and if they start then it is simply a series of button presses they memorized. If you shield it they will break your shield with another unbreakable combo.

Because when you limit the amount of activity that can go on you limit the processing requirements for strategy.

The one thing that would stop this bullshit is certain stages and having items on simply to include a random element of containers that could interrupt an unbreakable combo.

These people forgot what having fun meant. They want everyone to have "fun" playing their level against their character standing in the same spot he's practiced a glitch 0% to death combo.

You can't reason with these people. Any argument you make for items or convincing them to try another stage has them bitching about it or refusing to try.

>>15619568

If the game is all about options then letting people play how they want should be top priority. You seem upset.

>>15619568

That's why you don't play them.

"I played it your way, now you play it mine" if they can't agree to that without pissing and moaning or throwing a hissy-fit then you simply never play against them. Ever.

Give and take.

LOTRO PvP

It was always shit and never the primary focus of the game but I enjoyed playing it back in the vanilla/moria days, but in the last meta that I played before I quit, I know it's a game that became a hollow shell of itself that was whored out to WB to be a cash shop, but it's insane how bad it got.

Basically the problem lied around the fact that healing was buffed so hard for whatever reason to deal with raid healing in PvE, this combined with broken P2W buffs that only the freeps could buy in the store that increased inc heal stat, % based damage reduction, % based CC reduction etc, healing classes were so unkillable and unable to be locked down that you could commonly see a single healer trailing 40+ creep players unable to kill him or even lock him down, in a collected raid with 40 freeps there was literally no way to kill anything with even 100+ creeps when they are being healed by even just 5 healers, so the meta to deal with this became to coordinate everyone using a bunch of high particle effect spells that caused the server to lag and people's toasters to overheat allowing soft dps to get killed fast before heals could come through, which would result in all the unkillable tanks and healers to fall back to their magic NPCs that 1 shot you if you go near them and hide behind them for hours until they decide to come out and repeat that gay unsatisfying awful fucking shit tier pvp

>>15615388

Guild wars had lots of funny ones

>EoE bombing

>Edge of Extinction: Nature Ritual. Create a level 1…8…10 spirit. If a non-spirit creature within range dies, Edge of Extinction deals 14…43…50 damage to all creatures of the same type that are below 90% Health and within range of the spirit. This spirit dies after 30…126…150 seconds.

>Team build where you kill yourself and the rest of your party to resurrect yourself and do it again until the enemy party is all dead.

>>15617940

FF8 is lime that too? I meant Golden Sun 2, if that wasn't clear.

>>15619822

It's not really done from RNG abuse so much as playing card games but other than that yeah almost the same.

>>15619723

You can play like that if you want. Just ruin the game like that. If that's what you find fun.

>>15619568

How to fix your issue:

Stop listening to smashfags. Just ignore them. They're autistic about trying to transform a party game into a serious fighter. That should tell you all you need to know. Just stop responding.

>>15619868

this million times, they're the only ones who refuse to see this and scream in denial

>>15619775

How? Just bloody make techpriest and overrun their base? I know they're strong but how strong are they against conscript tier units?

>>15617308

Destiny?

>>15619939

i forgot to add that it does that on kill

>>15619939

This sound almost as terrible as ESO's launch where everyone was using staves and knocking enemies around like a pinball with the shockwave move.

>>15619964

Oh don't worry, that happened too.

>>15619870

Claudetete is a base game character, and her best "stealth" cosmetics are all free.

>>15619939

Nah, the current meta is to use the new warlock Nova Warp super because it's so laughably overpowered:

>create gigantic one-hit-kill explosions around you with absurd hit detection

>blink around to make it harder to kill you and easier to close gaps

>super has a long timer so you have plenty of time to rack up the kills

>also makes you pretty tanky even letting you survive/kill other players in their supers before they can do anything about it (saw a video of a guy attempting to use a one-and-done super on a Nova Warp and getting blown up in the middle of the animation before he could land the hit)

>overcharged grenade is a guaranteed one-hit-kill from a distance that you barely have to aim

>ranged melee attack is the weakest ability but it's still plenty strong

>oh and on top of all that every ability kill you make will regen your health and ability energy

In a nutshell, you basically get to roam the map killing everybody with impunity and become more or less invincible in the process. If the enemy team has a half-decent Nova Warp on their team, you've probably lost already (and god help you if they have more than one).

And while Insurmountable Skullfort/arc shoulder charge can be an annoying combo, you're forgetting the two new titan exotics that are even worse: One-Eyed Mask (if someone shoots at you they get marked so you can see exactly where they are, and if you kill them you get all your health back AND an overshield AND increased weapon damage) and Ursa Furiosa (if you guard with your Sentinel Shield and anyone shoots at you then you gain super energy when it ends; if your enemies are retarded and keep firing at you you can easily get your entire super back and proceed to wipe them again). This is compounded by the fact that the new exotics are so rare that it's basically the few players who do have them dominating the field while everyone else is cannon fodder.

Even so, I much prefer this chaos to the garbage that PVP was before Forsaken, when the meta involved literally only one or two guns in the entire sandbox, everything was slower and hit like a wet noodle, and you were lucky if you got to use your super once a match. All of that was done in the name of making the game more "competitive," but all it did was make it boring and stale.

Mountain Blade's naked twohanders- there's a science behind it but I don't know it.

QUADBLESS MICTLAN

I once joined a game of Tabletop Sim, was some really simple party game, they had one seat left open so I joined in it, and was kicked about 10 seconds later without having said anything so I ask in the global chat

>hey what gives?

<did you do anything?

>no

<did you sit in X color chair?

>yes

<ya usually only griefers sit in that color so most people auto kick it lol

>>15621260

You forgot turning the camera as quickly as possible.

In the original M&B, camera speed was unlocked and this resulted in people jacking up mouse sensitivity and spinning 1440 degrees to attack people. The resulting speed bonus could one shot anyone.

>>15619994

I can only presume this thing was nerfed into the ground for being too fun for Destiny 2.

>>15620242

You are suspiciously familiar with shitty, exploitative games, anon. How do you know so much about a game which had one of the most faggoty OPs and "industry insiders" in recent memory shitting up the catalogue with threads about it for months?

>>15618266

So who the fuck is this tool anyway?

>>15615388

World of Warcraft: Everyone picks rogues for PvP throughout the entirety of vanilla because they can sneak up on other players invisible, pick all their fights, ambush them for massive damage while they are fighting mobs, and do ridiculously extended stunlock routines. Not sure they fixed it in Burning Crusade either. I mean these days you would expect that kinda shit to get balanced out somehow but nope, in WoW they sooner nerfed the classes that were giving rogues trouble.

>>15615766

IIRC early on in Quake 3 Arena there were also a number of broken custom models. These days model selection mostly revolves around whatever makes the least sound.

>>15621471

Oh shit, you caught me, I play a game that /v/ disapproves of. Contrary to what you're insinuating, I have rarely posted about it here because I know /v/ doesn't like it (even though I'm sure there are others here who play it and also don't post about it, same with all the other AAA titles that are routinely shit on). I figured I'd make a post since someone else brought it up first, but clearly even that's too much for you. Never mind that we have generals about literal gachashit that have been going on for years at this point. I'm so sorry for destroying the quality of the board with my post, please forgive my horrendous insolence.

>>15621908

You couldn't let your asspain slip more if you tried.

>>15616987

The devs are incompetent and retarded but they still managed to fluke their way into making a game that's fun. More fun than DBD at least. Couldn't comment on White Noise or Deceit though as I've never played them.

Best strategy in Zero K is to spam fleas en masse since they don't leave behind and scrap and everything they kill gives a net gain. Bonus if you build a single puppy and make some kind of explosive infestation of the map.

>>15619939

Ding ding ding.

Iron Banner is very enjoyable when you're the one single hunter with and against a team of Strikers, Sunbreakers and Nova Warps

>>15615388

I prefer to run Meg with the black jacket, she looks just like a trashbag and blends into most corners

I refuse to play as the nigger, I'll level her up for her perk but I wont play that fucking coon

>>15621934

His asspain aside, Destiny 2 has great gameplay. There's a shitload of enemies on screen, all of the weapons and abilities feel great to use, there's also a shitload of different weapons to use, and if you're good enough, you can style on butthurt kraut metafags with the worst shit in the game. And that's where the good ends, pretty much. Everything else blows complete ass. Obtaining higher level gear is relegated to "do all of the activities in game once a week", the story is utter shit, the general lore is the Dark Souls-style vague, open ended and sparse so lorefags could circlejerk over how deep it is, people can actually disconnect the opposing fucking team in PVP matches, half of the shit in the game doesn't have matchmaking so you have to go through bungie's awful website, all of the armor in the game looks like trash, and finally there's a season pass inside of a fucking DLC.

DF has a pretty bizarre meta, in both modes. The water-throwing exploit comes to mind.

>>15621934

Ah yes, the classic "u mad" defense. That never gets old.

But I agree with everything >>15622443 said, although I'll say that the lore, while vague, is very slowly fleshed out over time and provides an interesting enough setting to play in. It still has its problems (P2P matchmaking for PVP in the year of our Lord 2018, why), but it fills the sci-fi FPS itch for me because it's fun to play. And yes, I already tried Warframe but it just never clicked with me in the same way.

More on-topic, I remember another weird meta thing from the first game, back when Bungie kept trying to balance the game so that people didn't run around with shotguns and snipers all the time in PVP. They made it so that you'd lose your special ammo if you died and would have to pick up more whenever a crate appeared, but if you were using a sidearm (light pistol that went in the same weapon slot), you'd always respawn with ammo. This led to the meta of everyone swapping to sidearms and spamming them at each other. Then they made shotguns and snipers into heavy weapons in D2 so you'd rarely get to use them and PVP sucked, and now we've come full circle again where you can use them whenever, but you only spawn in with a couple shots and drop your ammo when you die, but others can collect the ammo bricks for more shots themselves, leading to the aforementioned shotgun spam.

Anyway, that's all I'll post about Destiny for the year, maybe I'll make another post sometime in 2019.

>>15617461

You illiterate slaggot

PDWs are not effective against personal body armor in any way shape or form did you read my post or do you understand caliber or the tolerances of modern body armor whatsoever no you don't KYS immediately

Even non combat personnel train with and carry m4s, not pdws for a fucking reason they're garbage compromises. You've never understood shit about anything and base your knowledge off of videogames and not reality.

>>15622443

>Destiny 2 has great gameplay

Yes, so great in fact that the devs had to rework it, multiple times.

>>15622573

The movement, gunplay and general feel never changed. What exactly are you trying to say here?

>>15622579

>devs released the "Gotta Go Fast" update that supposedly sped up the gameplay because everybody said it was slow

>in Forsaken they changed the weapon system to allow players to use whatever weapon they wanted in each weapon slot because the weapon system in D2 was worse than the first games'

These are the major ones I remember, there are probably more minor ones that I can't think of right now.

>>15622569

Crit assassins are nothing compared to dex daggers assassins. Holy shit assassin was the most op class in the whole game.

>>15618912

>chad

Nope, there's fucktons of turbo betas and autistic furfags in well paying jobs.

Heroes of Might and Magic 3 strategy consists entirely of slavs using broke as fuck mechanics to win before the other guy can use broke as fuck mechanics to win.

>>15622615

Reign of Kings night when?

>>15622958

You think that's broken? Try going up against a competent Necromancer player.

>>15623036

I just autoquit when someone goes negro.

>>15618324

I can only hope this guy is a very dedicated and skilled troll.

>>15616918

>>15616945

>>15616952

>>15616987

>>15623182

Here's vid related to give you the story on Friday the 13th's devs permabanning people out of multiplayer for spurious reasons in a multiplayer only game while accusing them of all kinds of bullshit and looking the other way on other misbehavior.

In old Fifa you could spike the internet-latency for your opponent until he quit and it registered as a won match for you. How i got to top 10 in my country.

>>15617129

>Not picking bounty hunter and poisoning the jedi or shooting them in the back with your op as fuck slugthrower while your sith bros distract them.

You are like a little baby.

For the brief period of time when Maplestory had active PVP, the best class to play it with was ironically the worst class in the game. The Paladin class had arguably the lowest damage for most bossing and no support for other classes, with the only thing they where good at being not dying and in a game where DPS is the only thing that matters that's not a good thing. Said not dying ability, amusingly, made them monsters in the PvP and holy hell did it tear through every other class in the game.

Till Nexon fundamentally changed how the PvP worked and everyone stopped playing it.

>>15618498

Actually, it's not so much that the bosses in DS3 recover quickly, it's that many of them are programmed to input read your attacks which is annoying as fuck. Nameless King is actually a particularly bad example of this as his attack strings are programmed to continue if you input a rolling attack or normal attack too quickly after his last attack in a string goes off. Other bosses with similar bullshit include the dancer(Who responses to being hit), the twin princes(who does both), and that one asshole who sits by the Paladins ashes.

>>15618016

Shame.