/v/ - Video Games

Always and forever although I watched the first part of a dev commentary livestream and there may have been a tranny in the dev team.

>>15610619

>Invidious is still useful, right

It uses YouTube servers for the thumbnails which means it puts Google's cookies on your computer, but anyone using this website should know to have his cookies deleted frequently.

>>15610634

>may have been a tranny in the dev team.

Dropped.

>>15610641

I just had a quick look on Twitter and "Eliza Vasquez" is definitely a man. Dammit, I loved OneShot.

You should still play it. Very good game.

I guess somewhat related since it's an indie game, but didn't this come out years ago for free, and now it costs 8 shekels on steam?

>>15610607

I fucking love the shit out of BroForce.

Some other indie games that are also fun.

>Enter the Gungeon

>Nuclear Throne

>Neon Chrome

>Exanima

>CRYPTARK

>Ziggurat

I could mention RimWorld, CrossCode and Risk of Rain, but those already have their own threads. As for the pozz front, I really don't care what a developer's beliefs are so long as that shit isn't shoehorned into their games. If I can't tell a dev's political leaning from playing the game, it's all the better for it.

>>15610607

They Bleed Pixels, the story is minimalist to the point where it may as well not even exist. Not recommending for anyone who wants an easy game or a comfy game.

A 2D RPGvania made by two bros, which is about some Napoleon Dynamite-looking motherfucker in a high school trying to make friends and ending up saving the world. The gameplay is fun with upgradeable skills that are (largely) balanced and early skills are still useful lategame, but what really sells it is the amount of love put into this game. There's a shit-ton of side-content, the soundtrack manages to be cheesy without being tryhard quirky, and the visuals and general style remind me of the off-the-walls humor of old Newgrounds, but with a more polished artstyle.

It's a really fucking stupid game, and that's what so good about it. The trailer shows exactly what you're going to get.

>>15610777

>>15610728

>>15610657

>Enter the Gungeon

>Risk of Rain

Unironically, literally kill yourselves. I aslo expect some faggots to come recommending brigador - you also should transfer to a lead plus powder combo diet.

As for other flavor of the week games, dead cells is too probably cancer, but I didn't subject myself enough to it to have a powerful enough criticism for it.

>INK

Bretty good game, nice fucken artstyle, nice concept, but the plataforming feels off. But if you ignore the slippery movement it's very nice. Not much to say about this game, it's pretty much just a gorgeous game with a good concept that fails at some plataforming sections.

>Deadbolt

2D stealth game. It's fucking great. The controls, soundtrack, game feel, and this game in general makes my dick diamonds. There are some bad things about the game, like some difficulty spikes that make some missions of the game either very hard or very easy. The worst thing about this game is definitely that it loses steam near the ending, the game starts sucking it's own dick and adding inecessary lore that nobody cares about. And the fucking ending is underwhelming. But the bad parts about the game can be forgiven, because holy shit this game feels good to play. It's worth a buy

>>15610607

My legs are ok.

In spite of its meme status, it's actually great fun.

>>15611084

> The trailer shows exactly what you're going to get.

So; garbage.

For my pick OWH+

Also

Witch and 66 mushrooms looks promising

Also also

has anyone tried Ark Noir?

>>15611147

<UR GAYMS R SHIT

>doesn't offer any suggestions of his own

hot take there,have a (you)

>>15611217

Would it count as indie though?

>>15611233

>almost non-existent procedural stage generation

>barely any design put into developing the carcasses of said stages

>RNG monster spawn system

>survivability based around abusing non existent platforming AI and managing cooldowns while alternating invulnerability skills

>most of the time items barely affect anything outside of inherent character stats

>>15611283

Look, coming up with games takes effort, but if you want to suck my dick that hard here are some

>Aromic cannon

>Crimsonland (old)

>Herocore

>Spelunky (original)

>Alien/Zombie shooter series

>N

now get to it.

>>15611305

>oh no, instead of a shit algorithm I'll have to play one of a selection of hand-crafted stages instead!

>this game is too hard and I can't get good at it

Woe is you.

>most of the time items barely affect anything outside of inherent character stats

Literally a false statement. Do you always talk about things you don't know anything about?

>that entire list

>almost only mediocre games

>a clear bias for certain genres and mechanics

How do people like you exist?

>>15611147

>>15611305

All I'm reading is that you're a crybaby bitch who can't get good. So obviously it's the games themselves that are bad, and it's absolutely not you.

Yeah, nah. I think I'll just call you a faggot with shit taste and move on. You'd get eaten alive on /v/ RoR nights anyway. Sucks for you, kiddo, but that ain't my cross to bear.

>>15611305

<Aromic cannon

I'm looking up Aromatic cannon since i guess this is what you meant but i still get nothing

>>15611346

no shit huh

>>15611316

>Literally a false statement.

Prove it wrong then, instead of just asserting.

>ignores the things he can't address in any way

How do people like YOU exist?

>>barely any design put into developing the carcasses of said stages

>>RNG monster spawn system

>I'll have to play one of a selection of hand-crafted stages instead!

>"I can't read"

>almost only mediocre games

The only taste you are shitting on is your own.

>a clear bias for certain genres and mechanics

And those would be..? Because outside of Crimsonland/AS and Spelunky/N being somewhat similar genres you've got nothing. Also, if you are not going to ignore this which you will and will actually respond - try not contradicting yourself with that "hand-crafted stages" statement you got there.

>>15611331

>You'd get eaten alive on /v/

Is that an innuendo?

>>15611512

>shits on Zombie shooter

>Claims N+ to be good

>>15611575

>>N+

>N++

the game is pretty fun

>>15611598

>>15610956

I tried it for a few hours and just didn't care for it, something about the ice physics in the third level really turned me off. I've heard that Takumi Naramura is a fan of it, though, which is enough for me to give it another shot sometime.

Acceleration of Surugi 2

Heiankyo Alien 3671

Fairy Bloom Ultra Encore

Ace of Seafood

One Way Heroics Plus

Speebot

La Mulana 1/2

Rosenkreuzstilette/Rosenkreuzstilette: Freudenstachel

Magical Battle Festa

Bunny must die

Dicing Knight Period

Akatsuki Blitzkampf

>>15611603

Rami Ismail plz go

>>15611661

I can't get Bunny Must Die to work, every time I restart the game, all my saves and settings are gone

>>15611147

>this is your ass on hurt

>>15611892

>believing that people that use "unironically", "literally" and "kill yourself" in the same sentence are 100% serious

>believing that green texting "this is you" with a mild shock value image can actually accomplish anything

What a naive simpleton you are. I envy the world you are living in, so let me try this myself to try to reexperience the simpler times and to show you how it is supposed to be done, ahem

>this is your ass on hurt

I believe you are relatively new, so this should probably work.

>>15611999

RoR is bad because of a bad design, which in terms of rng revolves around stage designing concept. Stage design in RoR is almost non existent for several reasons

1) it tries to be procedurally generated;

2) it fails at making any use from being procedurally generated;

3) monster spawns are random.

Points 1 and 3 seal away any possibility of the pregenerated part to be any good, because it's a lazy choice with any possibility of map design building around monsters to be sealed away by the latter design choice. And to elaborate on point 2 - differences in a map are so negligible that they might as well be non existent, thus are mostly pointless and sum total - harmful.

Where other procedurally generated games make preset pieces that work, and then stitch them together randomly or weighted while potentially also scaling them and filling with other preset pieces or randomly generated content to create on a macro scale absolutely unique maps, which work somewhat on a micro scale (depending on the quality of the design of course), risk of rain does absolutely nothing, at the very least in terms of a stage design. There probably are some weights deciding which monsters to spawn, but due to the nature of the game - more or less you are always going to end up with the same compositions in the horde that would be following you, which again as a design choice barely even takes the stage design into consideration if at all (even though it is fixed for the most part).

Do you not see the problem with all of this?

>>15613074

>RoR doesn't suck for any of those reasons

>And also there's no way to reliably dodge anything other than to abuse invincibility frames.

>>survivability based around abusing non existent platforming AI and managing cooldowns while alternating invulnerability skills

???

To contribute I'll mass recommend La-Mulana, La-Mulana 2, Dustforce DX, Rain World, Nex Machina, Cho Ren Sha 68k, Devil Daggers, Downwell, and Environmental Station Alpha. Also recommending SpaceChem, Infinifactory, TIS-100, Shenzhen I/O, Opus Magnum, Exapunks, and probably any future Zachtronics release as well.

I don't want to spam images but here's a clip from Nex Machina. I can't compress the full clip enough to post it because I'm a retard but this run was in the top 20 at the time.

>>15610607

>indishit

>not pozzed

Pic related. Thats a list of all the western indieshit that falls under this criteria.

Some of the ones I thought of were already posted, but these are all still at least pretty good. I don't know much about Aces Wild or Pharaoh Rebirth's devs but Ludosity's a pretty based team, and RoA's devs are alright if you can tolerate moderate furry pandering.

Its

>rougelike

but the main gameplay is tight enough that I had fun with it.My main complaint is that the game doesn't let you forgo the different types of arcana for another of the same type.

>>15613888

>>15613890

>checking your own

>>15613932

how old are you son?

Dust: An Elysian Tail

>Fun Beat-em-Up gameplay

<Story and character designs are Deviantart-tier

The Messenger

>Throwback to games like Ninja Gaiden; plays extremely well and cuts out some of the old bullshit

<Can be seen as too easy compared to its inspiration; has a self-aware tone that can get annoying

Sky Rogue

>Ace Combat-styled game where you can pilot multiple planes to complete missions; has a unique art-style reminiscent of Virtua Racer; fuckton of mods for new planes and missions

<Procedurally-generated bullshit means no true campaign; rogue-like; twenty dollarydoos is too damn much

Strike Suit Zero

>Fun space shooter where you pilot a ship that turns into a mech

<Can barely remain in mech form and is used mainly for crowd control homing attacks; Full experience requires DLC and altogether costs forty fucking dollars(base game included)

None of these games are perfect, but they killed enough time for them to be worth it.

>>15610737

I played the web version a few years ago, it was p. good imo. I didn't really get it, but I liked the visuals.

Aragami+Nightfall was absolutely great.

I wanted a 3D Mark of the Ninja.

I got a game that beat the entire Tenchu series.

>>15613535

Pharoah Rebirth's team is the same team that made Konosuba(the megaman game), SMT:Syncronicity and is making 2hu luna Knights

>>15614661

Interesting. What's it like?

A Machiavellian piece of art.

>>15614774

>not posting the superior version

>>15614932

>implying my arguments are literally game is shit because RNG/no RNG

>implying same design can't have opposite effects when applied to different game types

>has to make an indirect response to sound credible

>meme spacing

Is this RoRs core audience?

>>15613089

>tl;dr

>let me show you how not mad I am by posting guro

You're new here, aren't you?

>>15614757

I don't disagree about the clutter, there should be an option to reduce the voxel density, but the color palette is fine, it's mostly muddied from the compression. The later stages use more muted colors for the background anyway

Velocity2x is really slick.

You get a great action platformer and a shoot'em up game.

Why no one mentioned it here? the fuck

>>15623327

Did Randy Pitchford make this game?

I'll try it but I have to admit it doesn't look appealing.

>>15613983

>The Messenger

>Strike Suit Zero

>>15614661

>Aragami+Nightfall

>Mark of the Ninja

>>15614774

>Hotline Maimi

>>15616430

>Fight'n Rage

>>15616610

>ZeroRanger

>>15610607

>>15625440

I'D RATHER BE SHINY

>>15614913

I cant believe my corner still got accepted, I fucked it up.

Did nobody post this yet? Pretty good for letting your fetishes out.

good thread, saved a few of these for later

>Road Redemption

Combat-arcade racer type game, put a shit ton of hours into it, get drunk and stick music on and it's quality.

Bit repetitive but it's designed that way, you "fail" a lot but upgrade your shit with each playthrough

>Rebel Galaxy

Haven't played it since launch but another good game to zone out to, reminds me of the asscreed4 boat sections, can be a bit grindy but i had fun with it at the time

Nominating Furi:

>isometric bossrush game

>mix of shoot-em-up and action genres

>great soundtrack

>beautiful aesthetics

>lots of great symbolism and subtle story details

>only one piece of DLC, actually adds its moneys worth in two bossfights

>hated by games journalists for being "too hard" and "the easy difficulty was condescending"

Furi is on my list of favorite games of all time. Only downside is it's a little weird on M+K. Weird by the standards of other action games I've played, not harder. I'm contemplating webm'ing a few of the early bossfights on the hardest difficulty

>>15629284

not many takers for these things around the time it was made,gotta work with what you have

>>15629440

I'm 99.999% sure I added an image to that post, codegorilla.

>>15610634

Did not work for me, in the end. waaa-yyy too drawn out and boring. Did too little clicks with the new second new stuff to be interesting.

But the ride was fun. A go(o)d game out of nowhere.

(You are not allowed to quote me on that.)

>>15610607

Broforce is always broxelent!

Just do or die high-fiveing madness super combat with brodies? Shit just woks.

Here is my pick:

Time Spinner

A really good Spin on the old Nostalgia of the old Times we all like, and it just started as fucking great and got ==really good== for awhile and then, got it got a bit boring. And then. Spoilers: You don't actually change the whole timelines as in CT, well to some extent you do, but not like you change insignificant weird parts of future to effect, I mean, I don't know the past that you can use in the present! So it's good. Fuck it I'm out.

Its a 4x with turn based bullet hell combat thingy, where you play as the Awakened Ancient Evil Space Jew manipulating the Space Goyim into fighting each other,spreading horrible space diseases,helping refugees and spreading much needed diversity and generally fucking with planets infrastructure and economy with the aim to take over and control the galaxy under the G-d Chosen Federation and exterminating the Treif Space Goyim (evil aliens that want to maintain their culture and race) that don't join you.

Races include:

Acutians - AnCap Robots

Andors - Space Sweden

Burlust - Space Niggers

Evucks - Space Israel

Peltians - Starving Space Communists

Thoraxians - Feminists Hive Mind

>>15632607

Your kinda shit nerd

>>15611305

It's almost like the developers were making a game that was fun for them, and wasn't catered to your exact tastes.

Playing a game with some predefined expectations, and idealized projection of your favorite elements of different genres you can ascribe to the game is only going to result in disappointment. It's the same with any form of media that isn't a direct sequel, and is an original work (i.e. not a sequel, not an asset flip, not a game by a notoriously bad company making new title Y but it's basically their old game X).

It's the same way with people who play a good souls-like game for the first time. They expect to be catered to with the usual kid-gloves, and having an extremely forgiving set of mechanics catered to casuals.

It's a new experience for them, and they have preconceived notions of "this should be easier", or "why cant I just button mash to win" and so on.

This either equates to them saying "this game is bad" because it doesn't conform to their preconceived notions of what a game should play like, or they learn the game, git gud, and fucking love it.

RoR isn't totally new, nor is it trying to mimic any other game directly.

RoR is only trying to be RoR, and this turned out to be really fun when you get into it, learn the mechanics of the game, and git gud.

However, as with all original works of media, if you hold an original work to some preconceived notion of "it must be like X with Y but with a tad of Z while avoiding W" you're setting yourself up for a self-fulfilling prophecy of disappointment, and are looking for ways to confirm the preconceived notion that you will be disappointed.

Although, you're more than likely just seeking to reaffirm yourself here in this conversion, by being responded to, so yeah… nice

>>15629164

>Road Redemption is quality

No, it's just a Road Rush type game (which people were indeed starving for) that's only just barely past the unfinished state (I can go in detail here, even though those would be surface level observations).

I probably wouldn't recommend it if you're not an RR fun, and even then guns, grappling hooks and an almost barebones and disbalanced multiplayer may not be your cup of tea. Past that, there isn't much content you can dig your teeth into, and at its current price it's only probably worth it.

All of that despite the fact that I am the target audience and wouldn't want the devs go bankrupt (even though the game sold way lower than they expected, which forced them to immediately take a new project if I remember correctly it was also erotic or something and sell their ass to TWi to stay afloat).

>>15616198

>indie=pixelshit

Bait taken, now reel me in.

>>15632642

>It's almost like the developers were making a game that was fun for them, and wasn't catered to your exact tastes.

Nice post-modernist hoops you are going through there. But the real question is, do you present a case where the described design choices are valid in their implementation?

>Nothing of sorts in the entire post

Then do a 360 and fuck off.

>RoR is unique

>it's like souls series unique

>now let me tackle this "people complaining about difficulty" strawman

While I see your love for making walls of text, sadly, it didn't teach you how to not be an idiot yet.

>learn the mechanics of the game, and git gud.

>a reply to a post with ">survivability based around abusing non existent platforming AI and managing cooldowns while alternating invulnerability skills" as one of its points

Do you always go on tangents without reading what you are replying to?

>Although, you're more than likely just seeking to reaffirm yourself here in this conversion, by being responded to, so yeah… nice

You are undermining your whole post, just to make a better rhetoric, you disingenuous cunt. And now you are trapped, you are left with 3 options: 1) double down (and prove yourself to be as a disingenuous cunt) or reply while ignoring this argument (which is practically the same); 2) not reply and let me have the last word in; 3) admit to using the poisoning the well tactic (but then you would also need to admit to strawmaning and to being without an actual argument, which as disadvantageous as any of the other two options). Pick your poison.

I know /V/ loves their accessible, but unique games, like Brigador, Dead Cells, Valkirya chronicles or Resonance of Fate, and RoR is no exception, but fresh ideas or combinations of such can't lift a game beyond what the quality of its game design allows. If as described here >>15613089 a game in question doesn't have a thoughtful stage design (if we assume there is any) then it objectively becomes worse in that aspect than a game with a thoughtful one, simple as that. Yes, proving let's say an abnormal game to be worse would be harder than a run off the mill one, not because it's uniqueness makes it immune to all the criticism (though that is the case if you apply post-modernism), but because it's rhetorically harder to concisely present the entire idea of it due to less people relating to the experience. But that doesn't matter really, when your rhetoric and analytics are as bad as this >>15611892 post and this >>15611316 one respectively.

>>15610658

I was expecting there to be a puzzle gauntlet at the end but that turned out to be a bit of an anti-climax. All in all, I had more fun making a fanfiction where I bully Niko.

It's not out for a couple months, but Devil Engine just released a demo and it's very good. Definitely something to keep an eye on if you're into shmups.

>>15634138

Something might be wrong with you. Just maybe.

>>15634014

>And now you are trapped

It's almost like I'm trying to have a conversion, and don't care about winning imaginary internet points.

Having a mindset of "I must win" BAMN is so childlike, grow up anon

>do you present a case where the described design choices are valid in their implementation?

You're attempting to rebut my point on, "why RoR's game design approach can be fun" by taking an absolutist approach.

As in, "my interpretation of a game is objectively true, and so are the values (fun/good/bad) I ascribe to said mechanics; if you disagree with what I don't like I'll REEEE at you".

Which is understandable, but come on, grow up; the meta-interpretation of a game's experience is subjective, and one's mindset leans the interpretation of the experience in a good/bad dir.

Just play the game for what it is, and enjoy it for what it is.

Does the game have game design decisions that can be interpreted as "bad", yes, all games do; in this case the fun of the game outweighs these aspects because of my mindset.

Does this make it not fun? It depends on your mindset.

Overall the game could be improved depending on what persons thinks what should be improved, as it's different per person, but, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have fun with what it is; is all I'm saying.

>now let me tackle this "people complaining about difficulty" strawman

I do acknowledge that I set it up in a way to easily take it down, but that doesn't discredit the argument; as that's the structure of that particular common experience. Nice try tho

>You are undermining your whole post

it's ironic self-deprecating humor u dolt, it's almost like I'm not taking you seriously, kek

>/V/

self-explanatory reference for the old ones

>then it objectively becomes worse in that aspect than a game with a thoughtful one, simple as that.

Most of the time, it does make a particular game objectively worse, yeah I agree

>not because it's uniqueness makes it immune to all the criticism

No game should be immune to criticism, though you could definitely interpret my post that way, I'm only saying you should have fun with it for what it is; not doing so is sad to see anon, hence my post.

Definitely analyze it, I agree here, as I too enjoy picking apart games.

Though, if you over-analyze it, and project your idealized version of the game on it; then you're going to be disappointed via a self-fulfilling prophecy, as that's the mindset you have.

Accept it for what it is, and have fun with it; is all I'm saying.

>>15634058

i got it off startpage images awhile back bcs had to rebuild my reaction folder a few years ago due to a HDD crash

>>15634402

I've never played brigador before. I don't have opinions on games I've never played.

>>15635416

Anon, why waste the effort? This place is filled with retarded refugees from cuckchan (redundant, I know) that think hating everything is cool and hip and that ironic shitposting is funny. Most of them probably don't even play video games and just post here when they're bored at work on their cellphone.

On the actual topic of the thread, the first thing that comes to mind for me is Freedom Planet. However if you do play it avoid the god awful story and just play on classic mode.

>>15635664

>A respectable attempt, but it says nothing about the actual execution

This is true

>if the execution results in a game with a bunch of annoying flaws that drain the game of fun

I agree to a certain extent. As what can be considered "flaws" for some can be considered "happy accidents" by others.

The aspect of, f.e. in RoR being able to stay on the rope/chains and not be hit by a boss can create some extremely tense moments to allow you to recover mentally for a second or plan; while others think it is a bug or an annoying flaw.

Same with the non-existent ability for AI to hop over ledges and so on; it adds to the tactics.

Now, I'm not defending those aspects, as I can understand why people would hate those aspects.

Though, I am just saying how it can be made to be fun; as it all depends on mindset.

However, there has to be a "fun" base game for this actually be allowable; as you said:

>But if the game isn't fun, then gitting gud can only get one so far

Agreed completely, as the point is to have fun

>Anon did you miss the part

that anon was referencing instances of pure ironic shitposts, a bit of a mixup here

>>15635692

love u too faggot ugu

Fuck, even the Hue indie devs are lefties. I've been meaning to try Oniken and Odallus

>>15636267

>>15636288

>>15636328

>>15636483

http://archive.is/rw3bX

Bonus archive for the Aces Wild guy who's also pozzed: http://archive.is/7D3AB#selection-3066.0-3198.1

Hope they wake up to a nice "present" this Sunday.

>>15635416

>Having a mindset of "I must win" BAMN is so childlike, grow up anon

It's more of taking arguments as sort of a game, far more enjoyable that way. And for that matter, even though I try to play my games to completion, it doesn't really matter if I lose a particular argument and turn out to be wrong, because that way I've made someone else fix my mistakes.

>"if you disagree with what I don't like I'll REEEE at you"

Do you have any examples of my reply posts being inadequate, especially to people that simply disagree?

>the FUN argument

Problem with your approach is that I could write-in in your argument literally any game and it wouldn't make a difference. Overwatch, D3, MOBA and Gacha genres, Big Rigs, Depression Quest, literally anything. The only difference would be your personal or even worse, public opinion on a said game and that's it. And that's not how public conversation works m8. From the step 1 everyone already has an opinion on something, the job is to prove to others why the opinion you hold is reasonable, by for example, presenting arguments that are related to whatever you are trying to assert. Past that sides try to validate the other sides argument, if it's discarded, then you have to present counter arguments, if it's accepted it depends on how strong the argument was, which can range from completely unaffecting, to case proving.

Currently you don't have any argument for either me being completely unjustified in disliking the game, or for you to be justified in enjoying in despite the fact that there may be objective reasons to dislike the game. The only argument you have there doesn't even revolve around RoR, more than it revolves about my rhetoric and altitude (towards the game or games in general), which you assert to be an enough reason to ignore the actual arguments about the game. That wouldn't work however since your claims are unsubstantiated and the attitude you are arguing for is pretty much equal to "all games can be fun", which in principle I can agree with, but not within an argument where a quality of the game is decided in a court of public opinion.

>but that doesn't discredit the argument;

It's unrelated to the subject matter, thus irrelevant. But even though that is the case I gave you an answer to it and you are feigning ignorance, to the point where I don't know if it is on purpose or not.

>I'm only saying you should have fun with it for what it is

What have made you think that I am not approaching games with that attitude? I think you are confusing faulty attitude with post fact rationalization, due to the perceived aggressiveness of my initial rhetoric.

>it's ironic self-deprecating humor u dolt, it's almost like I'm not taking you seriously

That can indeed work, but not when you are making equally huge walls of text in response. In such case it becomes at the best completely misplaced at best literally ironic.

>>15635486

Do you have any evidence to back up on any of your claims about me?

Synthetik is p good. top-down shooter, made in germany. you know the germans always make good stuff

>>15636890

>What have made you think that I am not approaching games with that attitude?

Your rhetoric appears to be very cynical and pessimistic thus it's easy to assume you would approach games with the same attitude.

>"I'll REEEE at you"

>Do you have any examples of my reply posts being inadequate

your previous post was the definition of a "REEEE" post anon

>more than it revolves about my rhetoric and altitude (towards the game or games in general)

I'm attempting to get you consider another perspective; which would result in you enjoying games more.

I don't mind if you dislike RoR or any game really; I respect your opinions.

As they're simply just opinions.

It doesn't impact me at all, nor do I care to rationalize my subjective opinions because I know it's subjective; thus it's not worth my mental energy to do so.

However, if I can explain my thought process a bit as to possibly convince you to try out a new perspective, and you ended up have a lot more fun while playing games you would of hated before; that would be cool.

>Problem with your approach is that I could write-in in your argument literally any game and it wouldn't make a difference.

That's true if you take it as it is, however, there are other considerations.

A game must have a "good" foundation as to make this type of approach acceptable (as, we must have a filter for shit games, and while there's a large supply it's poisoned by shit games).

Games that get extra leeway are "original works", as I mentioned the original reply, and works that are done by developers who are of "good" character.

As that quality of character is reflected in their works (with hard work, passion, and dedication to game dev/design/area of expertise they are more likely to make great works due to said quality of character).

For example, depression quest would be disqualified as the author is a despicable person who barely qualifies as human (also… a twine game? low effort trash), overwatch is done by what is now a notoriously questionable company while more than likely having a cancerous community, and other generalizations I'll get into.

So, quite a few shitty games are disqualified/filtered.

>"all good* games can be fun"

there, now the issue is defining what "good" is in the context of video games.

We've had threads on this subject in the past, and it's a nebulous concept to objectively define as it gets into relativistic parameters that depend on the person (at different "levels of detail" when analyzing a game).

Although, there are certain objective things at the macro scale like consistency (assets, design, setting, mechanics), optimization (good performance), developers with good character, and a lack of game breaking bugs (no persistent CTD, or such things that hiccup immersion).

Although, at the micro scale it becomes a bit nebulous as different game design concepts become more important per person.

Which leads to the various subjective micro scale interpretations equating to games being "bad" or "good" per person; while meeting all of the macro scale objective requirements for being "good".

That begs the question then, "can you play a video game wrong?"

I think yes, yes you can.

Hence, "the developers were making a game that was fun for them".

If they were meeting the requirements for "good character", and truly love games; they definitely designed something that was extremely fun for themselves.

The mission then is, finding way like that to play, and to experiment with playstyles; which result in the said experiences of extreme fun.

>but not within an argument where a quality of the game is decided in a court of public opinion.

The only thing that really matters for when someone is playing a game, is if they're having fun, is that not the point?

See my above point on how I don't care if you dislike what I like, and same with the opposite though I will still say you have shit taste, kek.

Man, this was a good thread about video games before you niggers started having your slap fight.

>>15636928

I am the "felixfag" from earlier, you are an idiot. Point about providing evidence for your assertions still stands.

>>15637507

Agree.

>>15637509

>your previous post was the definition of a "REEEE" post anon

You mean dismissing your points due to the pointed out underhanded tactics and then still making a response to the premise of it - is definition of a "REEEE" post? Again, you are making garbage unsubstantiated assertions just for the sake of a better rhetoric. Stop.

>As they're simply just opinions.

While this is a key point for disengaging yourself emotionally from a conversation, this is counter productive for actual discussions. If you are using this as means to discard any claim as a subjective opinion you are engaging in perpetuation of the post-modernist fallacy.

>if I can explain my thought process a bit as to possibly convince you to try out a new perspective, and you ended up have a lot more fun while playing games you would of hated before

Sure, nothing wrong with that, unless of course your charity is misplaced and there is nothing that you can fix.

>All of my shit only works for "good" games

Then establishing what a good game is first should be your prime objective. But following your logic, whatever a game is good or not can't be objectively established on its own, thus you try to apply secondary characteristics that you personally find more objective. However, within your own framework it is a double standard and on its own doesn't even accomplish what it sets to accomplish.

>games that are done by developers who are of "good" character get extra leeway

No, that's not how you judge a game. You should judge any work on its own merits. And no, this doesn't contradict with an ability to compare

Deviation within a set of experiences when overlapped proves to be more objective than some arbitrary characteristic you came up with. For example, see my reply chain about the Road Redemption. We both agree that the developers are of good character, but that has not affected the quality or the perceived quality of the actual game.

>X is too complex

>Your subjective experience disqualifies you from having an objective statement

Again, you are committing a post-modernist fallacy.

One of the reasons you are committing this fallacy is because your premise is all wrong. No one here tries to present pure analytical statements to prove their point, because 1. analytics take effort 2. that effort is wasted the moment a thread gets wiped off the internet. What happens in reality is that one person, in this particular case - me, makes a subjective claim, that if engaged, he provides some objective evidence for. And if evidence and thus a claim are deemed reasonable by some, then claim enters the objective territory within a public opinion, in which it then contests with conflicting, contradicting claims for the rights of supremacy within that group. With that in mind no perfect argument is required, only the one that gets a pass will do.

>The only thing that really matters for when someone is playing a game, is if they're having fun, is that not the point?

You are confusing too different things, playing vidya and having an argument. Those two have two different sets of philosophical baggage, which includes different sets of goals and premises.

>though I will still say you have shit taste

As I have already said, without a proper argument, the only taste you are shitting on is your own.

>>15638364

>arcade game with an absolutely useless scoring system…

>…that doesn't even have a scoreboard

>extremely simplistic objectives that don't change through out the whole game

>campaign mode is a weird hybrid between a shitty tutorial and a challenge mode

>free mode (i.e. the main game) is a grind with an absolutely obnoxious stage recycling

>the grind actually favors playing easier stages and proves to be less viable if you progress

>core gameplay (i.e. the pilot and equipment systems) instead of having a natural design, is pure autism

>plot and lore of the game are if not completely separate entities - just crudely tacked on

>>15637518

I-i-i may try to come up with a few more recommendations as an excuse i-if it would be of any help.

For my picks i'd have to go with Recettear and ToG,they both scratch a very different itch i get every once and a while

>>15642148

have you played mothergunship? It's made by the same guy that made ToG, but with better graphics. Seems to play the same as ToG, but really haven't played much beyond the start.

>>15635801

>Doom and Hexen

Hexen/Heretic and Doom are so different from each other I'm calling your bullshit.

>>15642543

>complains about someone pairing together Doom with Hexen

>pairs together Hexen with Heretic

azure striker gunvolt

say goodbye to your thumbs.

"The Adventures of Square" I & II are two great Doom Mods that can be downloaded as standalone. The "art-style" is goofy and simple as fuck, but it has it's charm. The level design is top notch, though. Give it a try.

http://adventuresofsquare.com/

>>15645967

pozzed

How pozzed is this game?

>>15657585

(you)

>>15657677

>>15657679

>>15657680

>>15657681

this shit is embarrassing

KO Mech

its a fun little game with reall great music and style

>>15637518

That's why you filter idiots, anon. Filter the wordy goonfaggot who contributed nothing of value. Only took the first five words of his blogposting for me to skim to the next post, filtered his faggot ID and suddenly the board turned pretty comfy, save for the idiots feeding him the (you)s that he was so desperate for.

Dusted off Crimsonland over the weekend and I've been playing that shit nonstop.

Has anyone played Atom by any chance? Is it any good or just another Russian Fallout clone?

>>15610937

Got a .webm comparing the two versions? I think I only played the free one.

>>15610607

>A year ago download a lot of coop games to play with my mate

>We are busy so we go through a few of them

>Some days ago we were looking for something to play together

>Find TowerFall installed

>Play it

>We proceed to spend 12 hours non-stop playing all the coop campaign

It was a surprisingly nice game. I just looked for info on it, and it turns out the game was originally designed for Ouya, holy shit. I'm glad they jumped ship.

>In February 2015 a "Blue Archer" was revealed as a new playable character for the expansion "Dark World", developers stated her appearance was based on that of Anita Sarkeesian.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

All in all, despite being a good game, I'm glad I didn't buy it. Sorry if this count as pozzed but I didn't know this as I started writing.

>>15660911

You obviously never played Underrail It's really good

Are there any decent 3D indie games that aren't walking simulators or borderline walking simulators (Amnesia clones)? Also it'd be nice if it actually used the 3rd dimension and wasn't a 2d side-scroller with 3d graphics.

>>15660655

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Just finished Okami and fucking loved it, but now I want to play another game like it. One with fun gameplay, interesting characters, and a world where you feel like you're inside a painting/myth.

I was thinking pic related (I know it's not really Indie, but it's clearly styled like one). I haven't taken the plunge yet because almost all the praise for it seems to be on account of the visual design and not the actual gameplay. If the setting is shallow and the game is boring I'm not really going to be interested in how nice it looks. Any experience with this game/suggestions?

>>15662418

>Not in the level that starts with them.

If you get first perk you can deal with 2/3rd of them through poison in 2:10, unless you're referring to the 2003 version, there venomous blood is better because the bullet don't proc often enough whereas that perk is a 100% chance

There's also plaguebearer which has a similar effect to poison but then there's radioactive which kills without splitting them and both those are effective in either versions

>Also in my experience explosives don't hit the spawns and thus are not so efficient.

vid related, regular RL has a bigger AoE so it's a tiny bit more effective

If you're speaking about the 2003 version then there's a bug with the regular rocket launcher that causes spiders to multiply, which causes you to get about 20 levels in no time and tons of powerup on the field so generally if you can roll telekinesis you're good to go, doesn't affect the others RL variants as much

>>15663193

What the fuck?

I almost never see anything new recommended in these threads, it's always all

>I like Risk of Rain, Rabi-Ribi, and Hollow Knight

<Look at this faggot who likes Risk of Rain, Rabi-Ribi, and Hollow Knight

So here. Here's something nobody's heard of.

I get lost in these 2 games

Does anyone remember the name of that streets of rage 2 rip-off starring a girl that looks like chun li in her battle costume? Pic related.

>>15610701

prolly cuz it a cat cuh

>>15610607

iji gud af tbh

deltarune gotyay already tbh monica

Odallus was neat.

>>15672105

Yeah, Rain World is great

>>15660900

It's not just you, overall I think the visual clarity needs some polish before release. It's a little difficult to tell the difference between foreground and background objects too

>>15672718

>I hope it doesn't devolve in hyper backtracking bullshit given the size of the map.

All the rooms are self-contained puzzles, so you don't need to backtrack, but if you ever want to or you wanna find the secret puzzle rooms there are warp points in each map.

Now for a harder sell. It's got a gay-ass name, it's a >roguelite and it's in >early access, but it's genuinely good for jumping in and playing for half an hour.

>>15701012

I would have posted the video sooner, but this thread needed a bump more urgently. Not that it'll last much longer, it's nearing the bump limit anyways.

>indie pixelshit

It gave some fun times despite being easy

>>15657469

>OP says no pozzed games.

>faggot posts pozzed game anyway.

>Knows it is pozzed because they ask how pozzed it is.

Here is your (YOU)

>>15701293

Well, the thread's dead anyways. May as well round it off with a game with super cuck devs.

Which is a shame, because the game itself has really nice gameplay that encourages strategic combo mixing, but the devs can not stop bitching about fascism and Trump on twitter. Just pirate it.

>>15701452

>Never get into programming, please. For your own sake.

Fuck off Pajeet. You can list physics in Spyro other than collisions or you can just continue to be a little bitch throwing around passive aggressive insults to defend your shitty indie friends. Bonus points if it's not something built into unity. Also. Most of the programming heavy lifting in Spyro was the draw distance. The main programmer himself said he noticed how all games had basically no FOV and built the engine specifically for far distance seeing.

>>15701492

>Not knowing how to quote.

>>15701492

Wow you really got me.

You assume the PS1 had room for crazy physics that unity doesn't already provide for the pixel shit indie-devs, especially in SPYRO the game where they used every resource on the machine to draw as much as they possibly could on a fixed graphics pipeline. Anything you think might be physics is done triggers and other voodoo. These are things they're already doing in their pixel shit side scrollers.

>>15701511

Here I'll help you out with another one. The ice levels had momentum. Another extremely basic computation indie shit devs could have used, that they probably already use in their shit sidescrollers.

>>15701511

While we are on the subject of purple lizards.

My Dino Crisis would be to stick my raptors between Barny's tits if you know what I mean

>>15701562

They'll make absolutely kick ass 3d sprites, just to have a 2d side scroller. I don't really buy that former part either. They could just copy the z-targeting shit that has been around forever to completely ignore the extra dimension. I honestly think it's just devs mindlessly copying each other.