746780 No.15559104
>Make one of the best fighting games ever made by modding an existing bad game.
>Decide to can developing the game in order to make a successor
>Successor has 8 characters, when the previous game had 40.
>Successor has none of the characters from the previous game that people liked.
>Successor has a handful of stages, previous game had over 40 and the Tournament Edition has over
>Successor has bland music, previous game allowed for custom music.
>Successor has no fun game modes, previous game had tons of fun new game modes
>Successor has 6-frame input delay even offline, previous game had an optional 3-frame buffering but that was completely optional.
>Successor has microtransactions
Did they even fucking try?????? Isn't the fucking point of making a fucking successor to PM that people play it over PM, why the ACTUAL FUCK would I ever play this over PM??????
1d4c42 No.15559108
Is there a name for this art style? I fucking hate it, I see it everywhere.
0c08a8 No.15559109
>Did they even fucking try??????
No and they don't have to. Reminder pozzed companies are propped up through government grants eg YOUR TAX DOLLARS
0c08a8 No.15559111
745f22 No.15559114
>>15559104
Yeah, these guys were delusional and I don't think there's anyone surprised it flopped.
b1e796 No.15559119
>>15559108
It's the calarts of 3D.
1a44f9 No.15559125
>>15559108
I nominate Celennial.
746780 No.15559126
I just hope to god someone ports over Project M to Smash Ultimate and gives the newcomers PM-ified movesets. I absolutely love the large amount of offensive/defensive/movement options for each character and the command inputs added by PM.
1d4c42 No.15559128
>>15559109
Do you know the context behind this, anon? It sounds like you're spouting out buzzwords.
Icons was meant to be a successor to Project M, which was a Smash Bros mod. The guys who made it stopped working on it a few years ago to work on Icons, which was such a flop it doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.
1d4c42 No.15559132
>>15559128
I forgot to say they stopped working on Project M because Nintendo are kikes and threatened legal action.
e7e587 No.15559133
746780 No.15559138
>>15559132
That's not true. Warchamp and Strongbad killed Project M from within in order to eliminate competition for Wavedash Games. The previous people are just glorified PR people for PM, and Strongbad is responsible for the worst designed characters of PM (Wario and G&W)
You'd think that a game made by the PM devs would port characters like, say, Lucario, Squirtle and Lucas over to Icons. They didn't, though, because the original team didn't actually make Icons, only a small amount of people moved onto it.
e74416 No.15559140
986332 No.15559164
>>15559104
Looks like a Paladins spin-off.
746780 No.15559179
How do the same developers and animators manage to make the former while also making the latter? (btw yes the lucario/mewtwo rigs, animations and movesets in PM are nearly completely original assets)
24925f No.15559181
>>15559108
Its like an unholy combination of assfaggots, hero shooters, chinese mobile knockoffs, and anything reddit likes.
24925f No.15559195
Just for clarification. The PM team didn't work on this. Only about 4 PM dev team members moved on to this. Everyone else is a combination of shitty hacks from across the industry.
e48483 No.15559209
>>15559104
Give in goy. The cash must flow :^)
a78592 No.15559212
I believe one of the PM devs went on and made the meta meme VN. Is that better or worse than Icons?
24925f No.15559218
746780 No.15559237
It's not fair. PM is the best smash game and I hate to see it's development die. Here's to PM Ultimate
73465d No.15559244
>>15559212
>Is that better or worse than Icons?
Being a VN, it's less of a game, but arguable better because it's also less of an embarrassment, released for free, and people have actually heard of it.
de4fe1 No.15559252
>>15559244
It was at least a decent VN and deconstruction of the genre itself. And since it was free, nobody had to spend money for it if they didn't like it. With Icons, you can't even enjoy the game fully without being walled off by shitty OW lootboxes and microtransactions.
f87ca0 No.15559260
What is this hideous looking SJW trash. It's like the Calarts of 3D graphics.
10c54b No.15559275
>>15559260
Reminded me of Wildstar.
99ca29 No.15559278
didnt see people complaining about the art style in ratchet and clank
a498ec No.15559286
>>15559104
>Brawl
>bad game
This is competitive autism. Even despite the huge flaws the game has in tournament play it still had an enormous scene during its heyday.
In terms of sheer content addition alone, Brawl is an enormous step up from Melee and is something Smash 4 didn't even come close to replicating.
746780 No.15559293
>>15559286
Who are you quoting? Project M > Brawl though.
a498ec No.15559300
>>15559293
>by modding an existing bad game
>an existing bad game
>bad game
I'm quoting (You).
6b62af No.15559304
>>15559104
they tried to do the safest thing possible which also happens to be the most generic and forgettable
76f064 No.15559307
7ca48e No.15559314
>>15559138
I don't wanna defend Icons, but Wario was designed well with tons of love put into that character. Other than that you're right, this game was such a shitshow.
e889a7 No.15559315
I don't care much for tourneyfaggotry, but here.
>>15559179
>second webm
That looks almost as slow as vanilla Brawl, holy shit.
1ebbc2 No.15559316
>>15559111
Trips confirm, let's call it Pozcore.
a01771 No.15559329
>>15559179
Because its not the whole PM team.
Only a few of the PM devs went on to shit out Icons because they got shekel hungry.
22fcb4 No.15559349
>>15559108
>>15559260
>>15559119
It looks inspired by Glen Keane's Character designs.
a902dd No.15559351
looks like a mobile game. just put the smiling goat kid's face in a beveled square with a bit of gloss on a corner.
816ad1 No.15559371
>>15559108
Its a cancerous mix of generic Chinese trash, Mobile trash, and MOBA trash. Its to video games what the CalArts style is to cartoons. An immediate indicator its made by uninspired hacks.
cb7d82 No.15559384
10c54b No.15559441
>>15559371
Does it remind anyone else of Wildstar? Reminder that said game is shutting down it's servers
ba205c No.15559444
>>15559441
same look, similar to paladins and overwatch and lol, it's just the faux cartoony style they prefer to appeal to the widest audience
000000 No.15559765
>>15559104
All western devs are shit. No exceptions. There is your answer.
22a03f No.15559791
>>15559765
90% of them are shit anon, there are few good western devs but they go mostly unnoticed.
3bd854 No.15559805
>>15559104
>that green musclegirl
8a5f10 No.15559823
>>15559805
Maximum shit taste and faggotry
10c54b No.15559842
>>15559805
She doesn't deserve to be in that game.
cc84fc No.15559864
7336cb No.15559869
>>15559805
>pink hair
it's shit dude.
fdda36 No.15559886
>>15559109
Companies are supported by giving them lower taxes to pay than the average citizen. That is to say, the actual problem is the direct opposite of your theory.
9f41ca No.15559889
>>15559329
Apparently they didn't take the ones that were competent at anything, either.
c4b6d3 No.15559919
3bd854 No.15559930
>>15559869
gotta take what you can get sometimes I hate the pink hair too.
6463b1 No.15559935
>>15559104
They're clearly trying to sell it to dumb kids/dumb anyone. The art 'style' is that same smug-face cartoony pap you see all over in Disneyshit >>15559119 yah that.
Pay it no mind it's pointless to care, hell one glance tells you it's gonna be a horribly twee kidfest of no interest or challenge, brings to mind something for a suped up N64 what with all the childish cartoonery.
b450c1 No.15559959
>>15559111
>>15559108
Nice desu-ne
It's really just that, "my first blender project" tier graphics and lighting. It's not even just mobileshit looking cartoony garbage, it has a certain "style" to it, like how some characters look even more rectangular than psx models and how most textures are flat, bright colors, characters look like they're made of play-do and there's always a nigger in a space suit for variety.
>>15559179
Because in the case of the former they had reference material to look for inspiration, in the case of the latter they had to came up with their own shit or copy motions from different characters, because it turns out that game development isn't just making a 3d model move and big studios theoretically used to take their time in making sure animations would loop right. If you notice, those creatures just snap from their standing idle animation to their moving, instead of having an in-between animations to prevent it from looking jarring.
3f961d No.15559961
>>15559805
She looks ugly as fuck, what the hell are you on?
I mean if she was in a different art style then maybe I'd agree with you there. but she's still be an overly designed piece of crap that western devs seem so obsessed with today,
10c54b No.15560184
>>15559961
https://icons.gg/character-bios/xana
She seems to have decent concept art, but that model is indeed Pozcore.
0646e6 No.15560346
>>15559315
Didn't the new devs of AM2R have to reverse engineer the game to continue developing it?
8e9f8a No.15560387
>>15559104
>Decide to can developing the game
Nintendo killed it off you retarded gayboy
c9526f No.15560399
>>15559310
Please do not perpetuate this forced normalfag meme you stupid fucking inbred faggot.
>>15559286
>brawl
>good
What's the point of having so much content if the core gameplay I use to interact with it is awful? Not even from a tournament perspective, just awful in its own right due to floatiness, lack of momentum, slow aerials, and bad air dodging?
>>15559315
>almost as slow as vanilla Brawl
That's just because the characters are walking. Icons does have some faster character, they're just uninteresting.
>>15560387
No, they didn't. I'll post a cap from one of the PM devs himself once I'm on my other computer.
0646e6 No.15560407
>>15560387
Nintendo did nothing at all. They made up a rumor about a friend of a friend whose source at Nintendo hinted him that Nintendo is preparing a super lawsuit that will send everyone involved in PM to concentration camps. And of course, Nintendo was supposed to start with those who went to work on Icons after killing PM, but that's just a coincidence.
5341bd No.15560409
>F2P game that’s NA exclusive
>4/8 of the roster arent just melee clones, but clones of the most popular Melee characters Fox, Marth, Falcon and Ganon
>all the unique characters are locked away unless you grind out enough lootboxes or cough up $5 a piece
>6 frame input delay when Melee players will drag CRTs across the fucking country
>no tutorial in the age of Anthers/Character Discords/Unclepunch. Icons manages to be less accessible than Melee, a game notorious for being difficult to get into
>none of the characters feature movement as extreme as Melee, most of the cast feels Semi-Floaty like Marth or Mario. Even their Falcon/Fox clones feel more like Sheik or Roy or Young Link than their clone character which makes them feel much clunkier.
>nobody playing the game is any good, every tournament set might as well be a pools match in Melee
>characters are more like functions than actual characters
The only Smash characters you could 1:1 and get away with are mii fighters because nobody plays those. At the end of the day the only people who could like Icons are people that aren’t satisfied with their results in Melee so they go to a game where they can win. Shoutouts to the time Druggedfox BTFO Esam so hard he retired from Melee and called Samus unviable.
29ff5c No.15560435
>>15559126
Can you imagine Ridley, Simon or K. Rool with fancy PM-like tricks? Or Dark Samus with abilities actually from Prime, like the gatling gun/teleport? My dick is fucking diamonds.
5341bd No.15560440
>>15560409
Also, Melee has shit balance but you can still use the top 15 and beat 99% of players if you are good enough. Even a character as shit as Link is probably closer to 95% of players. Melees balance only becomes truly awful once you hit top 32 of a supermajor which let’s be frank, isn’t you or anyone else in this thread.
29ff5c No.15560441
>>15559212
Nope, one of the devs of AM2R went to DDLC. Haven't heard of a PM dev.
c901dd No.15560449
>>15559959
Cartoony graphics are just easier to make, that's all there is to it, really.
a01771 No.15560465
>>15560449
Its not that its cartoony graphics, its that they all use this one specific style of cartoony graphics.
29ff5c No.15560468
>>15560456
We need a collage:
> Icons
> Fortnite
> Paladins
> Wildstar
> LoL
Help me out here.
7e17bd No.15560478
>>15560456
I like this term.
604151 No.15560516
>>15560468
dont forget overwatch, the one that started it all
4f38e4 No.15560537
>>15560516
how new are you retard? it was LoL that started all this assfaggotry
5341bd No.15560538
>>15560440
I took a shower and thought about Icons a bit more. This game is basically Melee if it were balanced by Redditors whose only source of knowledge is MagicScrumpy, GRSmash and Gfycats.
>chaingrabbing is broken, remove it
>wtf why did Fox just become even better, nerf him
>but Shine is the only broken part about Fox, not all of his other ridiculous strengths like his mobility, recovery mixups, killpower, ability to force approaches and kill setups
>but Marth being just as ridiculous as Fox is fine because Le PPMD Kreygasm
>powershielding makes projectiles useless, remove it
>why is the projectile character now broken, nerf him
>Ganon is bad so we should buff him, but only in aspects where Ganon already shines
>wtf Ganon is bottom tier
>Floaties are broken even if Luigi-Marth is like 3-7 or some shit.
38e017 No.15560544
>>15559132
>>15560387
Stop spreading this bullshit excuse, Nintendo never took ANY kind of legal action against the PMDT. That's just some bullshit Strongbad came up with so they could kill PM and have no competition for whatever turd (Icons) Wavedash Games shat out later.
5b9603 No.15560553
Why do all characters in modern games have the same stupid fucking facial expressions?
>downward arched eyebrows
>face tilted to one side
>half smirk
>eyes slightly narrowed
You see this shit in youtube thumbnails, app icons, fucking everywhere. What is it about this cocky-ass facial expression that makes it so attracted to kids?
99ca29 No.15560572
>>15560468
interesting how you think this is something that new
10c54b No.15560579
>>15560572
What about TF2?
fc42da No.15560592
>>15560553
it's good old fashioned "dreamworks face"
52c0ce No.15560647
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Alexa this is so sad play Respect Your Elders by Chillindude829
f5b29d No.15560648
>>15559104
all the effort goes to sakurai and his team for making the content. PM is simply tweaking the current content.
they can't create, only sugarcoat.
a048a4 No.15560731
>>15560602
>>>/cuckchan/
You are not welcome here.
4ccc37 No.15560732
>>15559805
she looks perfect for /ss/. too bad the game died before we could get any art of that.
c4b6d3 No.15560759
>>15560732
maybe you can ask some drawfags
00db66 No.15560782
>>15560732
>perfect
The lewd threads on /tg/ are better sources for random green girls.
52c0ce No.15560818
At some point the devs were intending to make an “all-rounder” a la Mario. Imagine a SF game that didn’t have Ryu in the starting roster. Sakurai used Mario as the base for every other character (hence why Game and Watch shares the same fall speed, shield size, run speed, air speed and wavedash for example. This is why Game and Watch has a notoriously awful shield.) and the starting roster are the Fox/Falcon/Ganon clones which imo aren’t good characters to build fundamentals off of in Smash especially when you consider how hard Fox is to use in Melee.
52c0ce No.15560836
4ccc37 No.15560837
>>15560759
i requested it in one of the draw threads a while back and nobody did it, so i assume nobody is interested.
1d4c42 No.15561037
>>15560553
I'm sorry but has nobody pointed out how fucking ridiculous that guy's hair is? He looks like a bad Sora cosplay.
0646e6 No.15561077
>>15561037
I think that's also the character they tried to parade as pansexual to appeal to twitter faggots that never play videogames.
38e017 No.15561094
>>15561037
He's supposedly based on Spike
52c0ce No.15561101
>>15561094
He’s also voiced by Steve Blum.
c4b6d3 No.15561175
>>15560837
maybe do it yourself then?
4ccc37 No.15561266
>>15561175
it's hard to draw with 3 fingers.
0fa6a0 No.15561271
>>15561266
Three fingers on your dominant hand or three fingers total?
c4b6d3 No.15561294
>>15561266
as long as you can hold a pen, you can draw
861979 No.15561321
>>15559108
It looks like Fortnite, Overwatch and those western mobile games. It's like a style every developer in Frisco does.
b450c1 No.15561347
>>15560449
Not the point, Cel Shaded or cartoony shit like Sunset Overdriver aren't equivalent to the "muh simplistic"art style these titles go for.
>>15560553
>>15560592
I'm starting to believe it's done on purpose to both showcase the entirety of the 3d model to suits and because it's effective as a tool to make kids and people look at the poster. Kind of like how smug anime girls always provoke soyboys.
4ccc37 No.15561355
0fa6a0 No.15561357
>>15561355
Jesus Christ, how'd that happen?
021e09 No.15561401
>>15560468
Team Fortress 2
a5e410 No.15561440
>>15559108
They all look like they're made of plastic. Hell, look at that green dyke's hair - it even fucking reflects light like plastic. In fact, the more I look at it, the more it looks like someone tried to digitalise a plastic toy. It's kinda uncanny.
9ef5db No.15561467
>>15560592
The top two rows range from pretty good 2D drawings to serviceable 3D models. Everything after that seems to fit in to the Pozcore umbrella though.
24f98d No.15561468
We already have a thread for this, OP
>>15551283
Please stop abusing your ? key
dee271 No.15561475
>>15559104
OK nice stealth shill Wavedash. This is pathetic. Your so desperate to get people to even acknowledge it you have to shit talk your own game on 8chan.
4ccc37 No.15561518
c757df No.15563375
You can tell a game is bad if you can play as a nigger in it.
78a880 No.15563410
>>15559111
>9/11
Make it so
78a880 No.15563416
>>15563375
GTA:SA is alright tbh
81f86d No.15563433
>>15559108
Everything looked like this after World of Warcraft
99ca29 No.15564288
>>15561475
well im convinced, i im pre ordering the 4 pack as we speak
f4d00a No.15564294
>>15559104
>Tumblr the game.
986332 No.15564482
>>15560456
Pozcore sounds fucking retarded.
cb54a0 No.15564495
>>15559252
It was written by a redditor who thinks he is Kojimbo and has a studio named after himself, and keeps calling DDLC a "game". It was also made to promote his upcoming "game".
2fe52d No.15564508
>>15559104
That green one… is that serena williams ?
4afe82 No.15567131
>fuckers who killed PM and tried to be incredible vague douchebags to the fans afterwards got their comeuppance
good riddance
ec9afb No.15567173
b4fe1e No.15567372
>>15559104
I have no idea what game that is but I want to fuck that goat.
6cf49b No.15567912
>>15560579
>>15561401
TF2 is the exception to pozcore because there's still gibs, blood and swearing. Overwatch, however, was a very safe and family friendly game. I haven't tried any of the other games but it's safe to assume they're the same.
9c2a71 No.15567915
>>15567372
Have you considered ending your life?
58fb23 No.15567922
>>15559260
Harsh. At least there's some semblance of respect for anatomy, if exaggerated.
cb54a0 No.15568255
>>15567912
TF2 had an actual art direction. The classes were designed to be easily identified even from their silhouettes.
0646e6 No.15568287
>>15568255
You can easily identify silhouettes of any of these pixar abortions. The main selling point of games in this style is how quirky and special each character is.
407a27 No.15568297
>>15560468
world of warcraft and Diablo 3 to some extent
e7e920 No.15568310
2bcb80 No.15568350
They made 2 horrible fighting games, one a mod to a party game and the other a hilariously failed project. I don't know why you're surprised
9e0b5c No.15568379
>>15559864
Are these guys British? "A country does this" isn't the same as "your country does this".
47f32a No.15568888
>>15568878
try to do better
804637 No.15569079
>>15567173
This is a better name.
>>15567912
>TF2
It's only an exception if you're dumb enough to think Norman Rockwell's paintings were pozzed.
9083b7 No.15569160
986332 No.15569161
>>15568287
>You can easily identify silhouettes of any of these pixar abortions
Not really, especially in Overwatch if everyone in a match is wearing legendary skins which drastically change how the characters look.
Even with all its hat bullshit you can still make out which class is which due to their overall design.
9083b7 No.15569184
>>15563433
character models in vanilla wow did not have this stye
ad8144 No.15569229
>>15560553
>>15560592
Dreamworks face is just and gimmick to overcompensate for the limitations of 3D molding. Too much symmetry is often a byproduct of the CAD tools so the animators and artist are taught to use this stylized smirks and S-curve facial gesture to bring the stagnant face to life. Its a gimmick similar to the "Smear" in traditional animation but any gimmick over used or abused loses its impact and looks ugly (the smear was over-abused by the B-team warner brothers cartoons in the 1990's). There are other solutions to stagnant faces but non of the animators and artist are creative. Essentially Calarts shit.
392342 No.15569255
>>15559104
>6-frame input delay
…for when you want niggers in your tourney. Fuck input delays and niggers along with their jew masters.
61dccd No.15569294
>>15559805
>Green-skinned Zarya ripoff
>Ugly bulldyke hair
>No curves
>Boring costume
As a fellow musclegirl fag I am disappointed with your shit taste.
4c8951 No.15569323
>>15559805
You fucking faggot.
604151 No.15569347
>>15568287
>You can easily identify silhouettes of any of these pixar abortions
i cant tell the difference between mcree and mariachi reaper from a differences, theyre practically identical in terms of silhouettes.
not like this is doing any favors for TF2 tho; hats ruined the "unique silhouette" meme a long time ago, I didnt expect it to last in OW either
38e017 No.15569367
>>15569347
>hats ruined the "unique silhouette"
It ruined the artstyle. Silhouettes are still easily recognizable, there are no cosmetics that wildly alter them. Except maybe that stupid Sniper ostrich