f18ebf No.15556450
Which was the most and least shit post-Team Silent game and why?
For me:
Most shit: Shattered Memories. It's basically an entirely different game with the Silent Hill title slapped on it, no relevance whatsoever to anything else in the series.
Least shit: Origins. Being the first post-Team Silent game, it was the closest in style and feel that we've had since Team Silent disbanded.
Discuss
c6a207 No.15556480
I never bothered to play any after 4, wich btw, why do people shit on 4 so much?
f18ebf No.15556489
>>15556480
Certain aspects of 4 felt awkward in comparison to the other games. Breakable weapons, enemies that can't be killed and can only be temporarily incapacitated, the fact that you have to run the entire way back through the game in the second half.
411b75 No.15556492
I kinda sorta agree with Origins, but for me it's simply the least offensive, as a game, Shattered Memories might be better because 0rigins' story is not immersive, interesting or scary, but SM does approach some of those qualities.
Most shit is definitely Book of Memes, but Homecoming and Downpour are pretty garbage too
f18ebf No.15556497
>>15556492
I found the only thing really "scary" about SM was the chase sequences, however those are just stupidly repetitive and kinda cheap
eae398 No.15556506
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>>15556480
Because half-way trough the game, the levels repeat themselves with a fucking escort mission. Other than that, the setting, ambient and some of the monsters are pretty cool, and I'll be damned if SH4 doesn't have the best horror game trailer.
76824f No.15556511
Shattered Memories was a pretty sad case. The gameplay was actually pretty neat and tense as fuck. The atmosphere and ost were also solid… but the fucking enemies. When you realize you’ll be running from the same midgets with different heads for the rest of the game in completely ruins the whole thing.
Downpour had the atmosphere but all the horrid development of a western title as well as some weirdly bad coding. I remember getting stuck on a can and a fence I was running alongside just because I collided with them. The monster design definitely ranged from okay to complete shit, the story missed the point, and the ost was mediocre, especially when compared with other games.
Homecoming had some neat ideas but didn’t know how to put them together and lacked subtlety.
Book of Memories was just bad but had some solid songs on the OST.
Like you said, Origins was the least shit but I felt it leaned to heavily on some stuff from the movie.
76824f No.15556525
>>15556506
I really love how subtle it was with portraying Henry as a shut in who was afraid of others. It never outright told you but just kept hinting at it from monster design, character dialogue, and objects you would find in the world. Real good stuff.
17d53f No.15556528
I never played any SH game. Am I missing out?
76824f No.15556536
>>15556528
The gameplay from 1-2 have aged pretty bad but if you can put up with that you’re in for a really good series with insanely good atmosphere and some deep stories done right as well as a psychological horror that lingers with you.
f18ebf No.15556539
>>15556528
Totally. You should at minimum play 1-3, 4 is also legit but different. The games in the OP are all made after the first 4 and are not as good.
2a5255 No.15556540
4 had the nurses with the huge fucking tits right?
That's hot
76824f No.15556548
>>15556540
That was 2. What kills me was all the journalists bashing them for being sexy when they actually had some really interesting reasons for existing. Further goes to show those people don’t play vidya
17d53f No.15556551
>>15556539
>>15556536
I'm really jumpy but still want to see what a good horror game is like. I think I will see the story of 1 on a video and then start playing 2
2a5255 No.15556556
>>15556548
No i mean,i know 2 had them,but 4 or shattered memories REALLY oversexualized them and gave them big tits from what i've heard.
d7ac3a No.15556562
>>15556480
Going back through the same levels again halfway through the game would likely be the major reason. Especially with an immortal ghost chasing you that can only be stopped unless you find that sword thing.
>>15556540
Nope. 4 had the burping nurses that were tall.
f18ebf No.15556564
>>15556551
You can play SH1 on a PS1 emulator on your PC if you have access to one. Won't need anything fancy, PS1 emulates on toasters these days.
76824f No.15556565
>>15556551
You’ll miss out on quite a bit as the story is actually told through the game, not just the cutscenes, but it’s up to you. I can’t really begrudge anyone skipping a ps1 game as some of them give me headaches for whatever reason so I’ve had to skip a few myself.
2a5255 No.15556568
>>15556562
Yeah here it is,look at those huge gazongas
I don't mind either way,i'd make love to them regardless of tit size
76824f No.15556573
>>15556556
You heard wrong friendo, maybe Homecoming is what you’re thinking of?
2a5255 No.15556582
>>15556573
That's it yeah,i don't get it,did the dev team go "hmm,there's a very small section of freaks that want to fuck the nurses,let's appeal to them"
I am part of said group of freaks,naturally
76824f No.15556583
>>15556568
>>15556573
Homecomings nurses weren’t terrible when compared to other iterations, but I wasn’t a fan of the melting faces. The design is a lot less creative when compared to SH2’s nurse in which the deformities became recognizable features.
76824f No.15556595
>>15556582
The dev was basically just throwing everything iconic about SH into a game. There’s really no reason for the nurses or pyramid head to exist outside of 2, so it was mostly a marketing attempt to have them there before everything sexy was demonized in the west.
fe6b93 No.15556610
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>>15556562
>burping nurses
Good times, good times
33f34d No.15556625
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>>15556506
I watched the 9-minute trailer countless times before the game's release. Unfortunately, even though I liked the game, it didn't quite live up to my expectations.
2a5255 No.15556633
>>15556595
Before everything sexy was demonized in the west?
Why would that happen?
And more importantly that's them acknowledging that some people find the nurses sexy so that's weird in itself.
76824f No.15556763
>>15556633
>Before everything sexy was demonized in the west?
have you been in jail or something?
Also, it’s made less weird when you understand a lot of love for the nurses doesn’t come from the second game, but rather the first movie in which they were portrayed as regular hot women with their faces covered by bandages instead of deformed creatures with the similarity to a human nurse. It’s going more off the movies design than the games. You can really see this with cosplayers of the character as they’ll often just dress up as a nurse and throw a rag over their face.
2a5255 No.15556774
>>15556763
Well my enjoyment of them comes from the latter so i guess i'm in the minority there, teratophilia and all
40ea05 No.15557059
>>15556763
I just like sexy monsters that are still visibly scary.
11d680 No.15557068
Silent Hill was never good. SH 1-3 have a really wretched and unsettling setting, but the lore and enemy designs aren't scary enough. The puzzles feel like mere roadblocks rather than something that truly add something to the lore or affect the plot in an organic seamless way. The gameplay, as we all know it already, is terrible. Unnatural controls and unsatisfying combat. The inventory management is really shallow, even more shallow than Resident Evil. The level design is pretty bad, the levels are full of locked doors and exploration eventually becomes more of a chore. All in all, the only thing Silent Hill excels at is atmosphere.
>>15557059
The nurses look dull tbh.
b4c715 No.15557104
I still can't get over just how insulting it was to have Americans handle Japanese horror. I knew at that exact moment that Silent Hill was a lost cause. Felt so surreal as I had just discovered the series with 4 and almost immediately get to hear news about how the Japs aren't handling it anymore. Just fucking compare Ringu with the western Ring.
It's strange how the Japanese can craft true horror out of western influences and media, but not the other way around. Even when aping western horror, Japs can make it work. While if the west tries to ape eastern horror, it hilariously falls apart.
40ea05 No.15557135
>>15557068
It wasn't just the way they looked, but their movement and the sounds they make.
>>15557104
They probably don't understand what made the games scary in the first place.
11d680 No.15557196
>>15557104
The Americans, unless they live in rural areas they don't know how to make horror stuff. American city slickers (and probably Americans in general) are so disconnected from the concept of the supernatural. The japs, who are mostly loners and introverts, naturally have better psychological grasp on the fear of the unknown and the indescribable.
However, japanese horror still pales in comparison to south east asian and african folklores.
>>15557135
Yeah I agree that the movements and sounds are pretty terrifying, but the visual design for these nurses and most other creatures in Silent Hill just aren't scary enough.
61b91c No.15557213
Is this a troll thread? Shattered memories was flawed but it was its own thing. All the others were 'REMEMBER THE MAGIC THERAPIST TOWN?' and considering the subject matter of Shattered Memories thats deeply fucking ironic.
Origins was the worst and is only liked by cowards. The game is a bitch-game people that cannot deal with horror games. It even gives you fucking control over when it transitions between the normal town and the otherworld. Its got the shittiest pyramid head clone and like 4 bosses.
Also a fucking egyptian pyramid tomb and indigio child propaganda. Fuck that game and fuck OP for his shit taste.
b4c715 No.15557245
>>15557068
>…the lore and enemy designs aren't scary enough. The puzzles feel like mere roadblocks rather than something that truly add something to the lore or affect the plot in an organic seamless way. The gameplay, as we all know it already, is terrible. Unnatural controls and unsatisfying combat. The inventory management is really shallow, even more shallow than Resident Evil. The level design is pretty bad, the levels are full of locked doors and exploration eventually becomes more of a chore. All in all, the only thing Silent Hill excels at is atmosphere.
I think you are missing the point with SH and are trying to enjoy it for what it isn't. The enemies aren't meant to be scary, rather abstract and "impossible" to understand at first glance. And it is not so much the monsters that make it scary, but rather the atmosphere and never knowing what to expect. The gameplay is serviceable, and that is all that SH needed. Making the controls too fluid would simply take the challenge and tension out of the game. Compare making yourself vulnerable by staying in one spot and shooting or whacking at monsters, to never getting hit while shooting and running circles around them. It just doesn't work. Everything else you missed the point with, but yes, atmosphere is it's main strength. It's atmosphere makes the "bad" parts you described into a good whole and I would say that is the most important aspect.
>>15557135
Yes, that is correct. There seems to be a complete lack of understanding for what made SH what it is. Western horror is too tied down in the "real", too obsessed with knowing, dissecting and finding answers. Meanwhile, eastern horror is not afraid to confuse the viewer and make them doubt themselves, while understanding that sometimes there really isn't an answer.
23c61c No.15557527
Only played 1-3 and a bit of 4. I can never get into 4 for some reason. Both times I've tried I give up after about an hour or two.
ac7910 No.15557528
>>15557104
>Just fucking compare Ringu with the western Ring
Both are great? Unless you're talking about the sequels, they're awful.
6a2113 No.15557537
I didn't like any of the games past 4. I find nothing redeemable about them. The worst being Shattered Memories.
411b75 No.15557595
>KID IS 90% DONE ON A P.T. PC PORT
>KONAMI SHUTS IT DOWN
>then a developer team contacts him and offers him an internship, explaining that the shutdown was a management decision, but the devs themselves were really impressed and inspired by his dedication
http://archive.is/ZojWF
opinions?
>>15557527
that's really strange, everyone I've talked to agrees the best part of SH4 is the first half right up until you pair up with Eileen.
>>15557537
I hate to accept it but this is the correct opinion.
P.T. notwithstanding
313f9d No.15557609
Rather than having the exact same conversation over and over again why don't we recommend games that took on the spirit of Silent Hill once it died?
>>15556763
That's lazy sluts being lazy. Nurses outfit + bandage takes almost no effort and gets you attention. It's like being slutty princess peach where you wear a pink swimsuit and a plastic crown.
>>15557196
Do you always use anime to judge a culture? That's the complete opposite of Asians. They're extremely extroverted and have no introverted side. They're like ants. They don't understand introversion because they don't have a solo personality, only a group personality.
0a6a2d No.15557870
>>15557595
>article mentions Konami purging the game
>doesn't mention that said purge deletes it from PS4s that have it installed automatically
It's a bit of a different beast when they remove the ability to download it, and when they remove your ability to ever play it again if you log in.
d6f86d No.15557887
>>15557595
>faggot doesn't just release it anyways
Damn. I wanted to play this but I'm not a console fag
0a6a2d No.15557894
>>15557887
If he releases it, he knows he ain't getting that internship. The stupid part of this whole thing is, he shouldn't have even talked about it before releasing it. Now he can't just leak it to someone who then posts it, because Konami already knows who he is and that it was him.
69d45b No.15557902
>>15557894
>wanting to work for konami
awful idea
0a6a2d No.15557922
>>15557902
Agreed, but it's what the kid wants.
313f9d No.15557968
>>15557213
Having control of entering the other world isn't a problem if you make it a bad option to do so. Stalker is scary as hell in some places and you choose to enter and leave those as you wish. It's like going for surgery, no one is forcing you to go for it but you are still scared as you make that walk and wait to get knocked out. Good horror can give you control and make you scared because you made a choice not just because you lack one.
>>15557245
There's lots of horror that doesn't explain it's self in the West. Found footage movies are almost entirely about this sort of horror. The problem with the US Silent Hills is they don't have horror timing down. Like comedy, horror requires the right timing and the developers lacked that skill.
76824f No.15558002
>>15557609
oh I agree, I was just saying that's what popularized them and later designs would mimic the SH Nurse rather than the superior Bubble Head Nurse.
c088e7 No.15558009
>most-shit
Homecoming. It was literally Silent Hill the movie fanfic tier shit. Nothing about it was new or original, it was fucking shit.
>least-shit
Downpour or Shattered Memories. Downpour for being a more open ended adventure in Silent Hill with neat stuff to find, and Shattered Memories for the ending alone.
76824f No.15558016
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>>15558009
I will say, for how much I disliked Downpour for the reasons I stated >>15556511
It definitely has one of the best endings in the series.
b4c715 No.15558080
>>15557968
>The problem with the US Silent Hills is they don't have horror timing down. Like comedy, horror requires the right timing and the developers lacked that skill.
They also raped the lore and took the mystery out of the series. Western horror has lost it's grasp on "show, don't tell."
And found footage sucks, at least in my opinion. Blair Witch was somewhat OK at first, but it quickly spawned endless shitty knock-offs. Found footage requires the least effort and gives an excuse for the creators to be lazy. This trend is poisoning the well to this day and it's influence can be traced even to Paranormal Activity. The West is overly focused on jump-scares and making the spookiest, most bloodiest monster ever, never stopping to think what makes a situation scary in the first place. Western horror always devolves to either cheap jump-scares, slasher films, revealing the monster too early, or just going for pure shock value with gore. If you've seen his "horror" films, Del Toro should not even be anywhere near horror in the first place, and from what I saw from the PT demo, I'm glad the project was canned. It was completely amateurish.
Not saying that eastern horror is the best ever, since I can't understand their obsession with ghosts and it's cultural significance is lost on me, but western horror has simply become too predictable for me.
39d1fe No.15558440
>>15556450
Origins is without a doubt the least shit Western Silent Hill the biggest problem with it is giving control of the Otherworld shifts to the player but other than that it's the most bearable. I still hate how the devs never wanted to put the not-Pyramid Head in it but Konami insisted.
4ce22e No.15558588
>>15558080
It's not even about horror for most. It's weakened to being PG-13 so preteens can make out to it in the background. Trust me, barely anyone goes to most horror films. They're basically a background noise for people to make out to, barely anyone goes.
4ce22e No.15558597
Holy shit, what is wrong with me? Did I have a stroke? I need to think before I post.
Sage for off topic and double post
ba4424 No.15558603
>>15558440
Wait, what? Konami insisted? Wasn't it Hullett and co. behind all the 'MEMBER SH2 shit?
313f9d No.15558690
>>15558080
You're bitching about mainstream movies being shit when found footage is brilliant for it's middle of the road quality. If you have the talent and skill you can make a good found footage movie even on the cheap. Blair Witch proved that. It's like indie gaming, it's easy to be shit but that doesn't mean it's bad.
Horrors dead right now. No one is going to see it or interested. It's a genre that can thrive online but hadn't found a home for it's self yet.
>Raped the silent hill lore
Silent Hill's lore was never anything to write home about. SH2 is by far the best of the series and it uses none of the lore the other games depend on. The town is the star and the story never mattered as with all good horror.
>>15558603
Origins originally started out as a Silent Hill dark comedy. It got shit canned and Konami demanded they make a proper horror game. They probably forced pyramid head in because they were utterly fucking the project up and Konami feared about schedule and money issues if they didn't get them under control.
a0e772 No.15558775
>>15556480
>why do people shit on 4 so much
it didn't feel like silent hill. it was a fun game and i honestly really liked it (and still do) but the first-person apartment, escort missions, weird combat, dumb enemies and unkillable ghosts were a real turn off and definitely wasn't what people were expecting after 2 and 3
411b75 No.15558785
>>15558690
>Silent Hill's lore was never anything to write home about. SH2 is by far the best of the series and it uses none of the lore the other games depend on.
Go home Tom Hullet
07102a No.15558789
Shattered Memories>Downpour>Origins>Homecoming>Shit>Book Of Memories.
33f34d No.15558807
>>15558690
>SH2 is by far the best of the series and it uses none of the lore the other games depend on.
except that the cult's shenanigans are what caused the town's spiritual power to become corrupted
no cult = no SH2
313f9d No.15558816
>>15558807
You could use any excuse for the town fucking with people and 2 would still work. I don't remember the cult being mentioned in 2.
150af0 No.15558873
I play 1-4 and like them in that order.
85b2ad No.15558902
4 is the greatest PS2-era SH because it's actually spooky and Walter is best bad guy.
Prove me wrong, faggots.
5b5a89 No.15558903
>>15556450
I don't even consider origins a shitty game, for me it is on par with the first three.
I bought downpour for my 360 a few months ago and while i still haven't played it i heard that while flawed (janky animations, shit melee and scarce firearms, lag) it was still the best post team silent game, is it true?
>tfw ps3/360 port of silent hill origins was cancelled
411b75 No.15558930
>>15558902
>Walter is best bad guy
Only kernel of truth to this post.
>>15558903
>i heard that while flawed (janky animations, shit melee and scarce firearms, lag) it was still the best post team silent game, is it true?
It's the least frustrating, but it's also NOT SCARY AT ALL.
Really I am willing to be a US SH apologist to an extent with SH:0 SH:SM and maybe downpour but none of them are fucking scary at all.
33f34d No.15558940
>>15558816
One of the books you find in SH2 mentions the spiritual power and the natives that lived in the area.
>"The name comes from the legend of the people whose land was stolen from them.
>They called this place 'The Place of the Silent Spirits'. By 'spirits', they meant not only their dead relatives, but also the spirits that they believed inhabited the trees, rocks and water around them.
>According to legend, this was where the holiest ceremonies took place.
>But it was not the ancestors of those who now live in this town that first stole the land from these people. There were others who came before.
>In those days, this town went by another name. But that name is now hopelessly lost in the veils of time.
>All we know is that there was another name, and that for some reason the town was once abandoned by its residents."
In the video tape, Mary even talks about how Silent Hill used to be a sacred place.
When the cult first tried to bring their demon god into the world, it corrupted the spiritual power of the town which causes nightmares, fears, etc. of individuals to become manifest. In SH1, Alessa was afraid of dogs, bugs, nurses, etc. so the enemies in the game reflect her fears. In SH2, it was James' guilt and repressed sexual desires. In SH3, Heather is the reincarnation of Alessa, so some of the monsters are throwbacks to SH1 (Split Head->Split Worm, dogs, nurses, etc.), while other monsters represent birth or are phallic in appearance which could represent Heather's unwillingness to become pregnant/give birth to the demon god.
313f9d No.15558975
>>15558930
American silent hill isn't scary, it's more knowing a jump scare is coming and know it's when it's coming and occasionally that's delayed.
>>15558940
>Reading books
You think I'm some kind of nerd faggot?
Silent hill being a sacred place has nothing to do with the cult.
d3c65d No.15558984
>>15556450
Downpour disappoints me because it's the one that has the most potential to be good yet fails at every aspect. It's not offensively bad like Homecoming but it's just plain mediocre.
d3c65d No.15559206
So is Silent Hill 2 set after Silent Hill 1 and everyone just died in Silent Hill?
f18ebf No.15559272
>>15557609
Which games did take on the spirit of Silent Hill after Team Silent disbanded?
f18ebf No.15559277
>>15559206
Yes it’s set after Silent Hill 1 and yes pretty much everyone in the town is either dead or crazy
76824f No.15559299
>>15558690
>Origins originally started out as a Silent Hill dark comedy.
I kind of want this, especially considering it was made in the time devs could still be funny, didn’t rely on old internet memes, and had fun with what they made. Would have been interesting to see how it turned out at the very least.
ed58a6 No.15559423
>>15556480
I liked it as well, but I can understand why others wouldn't on top of what others have said it also felt less like a full Silent Hill game and more a bastard child between it and Siren.
>>15556450
Personally I liked Shattered Memories the most. It tried to do it's own thing instead of being a hollow and shity rehash of the originals. I also kinda liked the way it handled reimagining the SH1 story. It gave me a similar feeling to when every cartoon would do it's own version of a Christmas Carol.
f18ebf No.15559488
>>15557213
>control over transitions
Kind of but you still had no choice but to go through the Otherworld to progress the game. To me it was an interesting mechanic where you had to explore both worlds simultaneously to progress the game. Obviously it fucks the games canon but everything to do with Silent Hill after the movie gets it wrong anyway so this thread disregards that aspect and simply asks, which one got it most wrong and which one got it least wrong?
935d95 No.15559491
I replayed 2/3 and and I was amazed how it to this day still holds up graphically. The environments in particular looks amazing and deliberately designed. It's like, are modern devs even trying anymore?
f18ebf No.15559519
>>15559491
I agree, looking at Silent Hill 3 on PS2 got me really excited for the future of graphics in games but I honestly feel like 7th gen graphics were mostly underwhelming
6a2113 No.15559536
>>15559423
>Personally I liked Shattered Memories the most. It tried to do it's own thing instead of being a hollow and shity rehash of the originals.
If by own thing you mean shitting all over the entire concept of Silent Hill and being a no combat bore fest.
313f9d No.15559702
>>15559206
Silent hill 2 is set after Silent Hill but it's entirely independent. Silent hill as a place is a tourist attraction, people go there constantly and never have bad experiences. It's only a few people who get gripped by the voodoo side of the town and drawn into the fog world.
Your average person can go to Silent Hill and spend their entire life there and never notice a single thing out of place. One fuck up arrives and is immediately dropped into the fog world like James was. Pre-fuck up James has no issue in the place, post-fuck up and it's gone full retard on him.
b1a69c No.15559731
The only good and coherent Silent Hill is the first one.
All the rest is ad-hoc bullshit to keep making cashgrab unneeded sequels that shouldn't exist.
>b-but it's canon, even Konami changing all the devs and the only thing that remains is the name
935d95 No.15559734
>>15559731
Silent hill 3 is a direct sequel to 1.
ced3ce No.15559784
The Evil Within is the true modern Silent Hill.
313f9d No.15559806
>>15559784
Evil within is shit. It's about chasing a kid with autism through not!RE4.
11d680 No.15559815
How would you improve Silent Hill?
What I'd do:
>scarier, more corpse-like enemy design
>relate the lore to real life religious dogma to add some realism and prophetic feel
>open ended level design, no linear objectives
>Condemned-like combat
>lewd enemies and death animations like Demonophobia
ced3ce No.15559826
>>15559806
You must be thinking of a different game, baby dick.
313f9d No.15559834
>>15559815
You just ruined the entire game. The reason why Silent Hill works is because it controls the pacing very carefully. If it's open world then you can't build tension in the same way you can a fixed journey.
>>15559826
I played Evil Within when it came out. It under utilized all of it's mechanics and the story was boring as fuck. It's just a bad survival horror game that needed to use less mechanics and improve on those mechanics instead of abandoning them.
11d680 No.15559841
>>15559834
>open world
open ended != open world
What I mean is the player should be allowed to skip or fail every puzzle or objective in the game, with gameplay related consequences instead of game over screen.
313f9d No.15559858
>>15559841
No, they shouldn't. That again fucks up pacing. You have no idea if a player knows that 2+2=4 when you want to later ask them what 2+2+2 adds up to. Game design needs structure. You need to know what your player has learned and how to teach them something from that. If you cannot control this you cannot design a game. You end up having to build a game knowing that every single puzzle maybe the first one that person ever touches.
Go play Mario bros 1 or 3. Notice how it immediately presents you with a mushroom. Then it presents you with a fire flower a bit later if you don't get hit. By proving you know the basic mechanics they add an "advanced" mechanic on top of them. This is how good game design works.
11d680 No.15559921
>>15559858
You haven't played Clock Tower and Alone in the Dark, have you? Open endedness should be an essential part of a survival horror. It doesn't mean the game has less structure, but rather it gives the game a more complex structure where there are more outcomes and possibilities. Also, encountering the unexpected adds a survival and horror value.
313f9d No.15559923
>>15559921
I have and they're both fucking terrible. There's a reason why only hipsters care about those series while Silent Hill and Resi went viral.
11d680 No.15559943
>>15559923
>they're both fucking terrible
They have better puzzles than any SH or RE game.
>There's a reason why only hipsters care about those series while Silent Hill and Resi went viral.
They're casuals?
b7f692 No.15559998
>Most shit: Shattered Memories. It's basically an entirely different game with the Silent Hill title slapped on it, no relevance whatsoever to anything else in the series.
>Least shit: Origins. Being the first post-Team Silent game, it was the closest in style and feel that we've had since Team Silent disbanded.
313f9d No.15560032
Any one who says any game except Book of memories is the worst is a fucking idiot. Diablo Silent hill where demons give you quests is pissing over the corpse of silent hill like nothing else.
>>15559943
You're just a tranny who wants to play as an asian school girl and have men chase them around. Just admit it.
54e0e4 No.15560049
>>15557104
>It's strange how the Japanese can craft true horror out of western influences and media, but not the other way around.
It's because, to you, a non jap player, it all feels extremely exotic and weird, kind of like how Deadly Premonition is a terrible game by itself but the fact that it has a lot of Japanese quirks in a western setting makes it extremely likeable and even justifiable in its flaws.
For comparison, nips really like what we consider shit, just because it's exotic to them. They love Skyrim because they have muh freedom of exploring, which is a completely alien concept in Japanese society. There was a really neat video on Killer7 and how it reshapes Eastern and Western styles to make a point about clashing cultures and how the former is linear but more emotion driven and the latter is freer but also sterile in nature.
I do wonder though, what strictly Eastern/Asian genre would the West (at least the old guard in game development) be able to make better than their counterparts?
d2991a No.15560057
>>15559998
What is it with you faggot Shattered Memories dicksuckers coming out of the wood works? That game was complete dog shit.
313f9d No.15560066
>>15560049
The West could make a much better open world samurai game than the East could. Think of it as a reverse Dark souls and you will understand why it would work.
There's some debate as to toku games like power rangers as well. Japan does a very poor job of these and the West could probably do a decent job of them if it wanted.
54e0e4 No.15560107
>>15560066
You know, it could be because of a different design philosophy (the west pads things out with content that is spread around and must be found, the east by repeatedly stopping you and segmenting your progress) coupled with unfamiliarity with the source material.
313f9d No.15560183
>>15560107
Both East and West make games like that. BOTW is very much like Skyrim but Dark souls is clearly a Western style adventure game.
11d680 No.15560295
>>15560032
>wanting fat ugly bald men in your lewd
No I just want a cute and wholesome yuri romance like the wannabe female tranny I am.
>>15560049
>>15560066
I think the western devs are capable of making better games when they actually try. They simply can't compete with the OCD asians.
ced3ce No.15560298
>>15560107
While I appreciate some aspects of Jap game design, JRPGs are absolute shit. I've never played one that I enjoyed. They're all grindy, linear, annoying characters, predictable stories, childish, and gay. Even ones that deal with "mature" themes hardly have them interact with the actual gameplay. Games like Parasite Eve do it well, while any Tales game may as well be a 16 season anime.
11d680 No.15560339
>>15560183
Both are inspired by western games. And still, BoTW isn't as sandbox as Skyrim and Dark Souls' combat is more timing and rhythm restrained than Blade of Darkness.
>>15560049
>the latter is freer but also sterile in nature
More like the japanese devs are shameless in deviating from the main theme while western devs feel the need to restrain themselves. There's this sort of tasteless vulgarity and perversion that are endemic to japanese games which make them enjoyable for some but silly and embarrassing for the rest. Western devs take their premise seriously, but most of the time too seriously that they become bland and sterile.
313f9d No.15560366
>>15560339
>Bullet storm doesn't exist
You guys have no fucking clue what you're talking about or why the problems with Western games exist. Japan is if anything more stagnated than the West is because the West isn't making 12 shades of dating sims. It's making 10 shades of it and a couple of other things.
bcd035 No.15560576
>>15556480
Because it was very different than the other games.
It's probably the most claustrophic game of them all. I mean, seriously creepy game, especially when you're in your room.
9dd2f6 No.15560599
>>15556450
Worst is book of memories. Hands down. All are pretty bad but that's the worst.
Except for Origins. That game's fine. It's just a less deep and less interseting SH game basically. It's not terrible, just not that interesting nor scary. It's fun enough to play.
bcd035 No.15560611
Silent Hill is only scaring when you aren't trying to boil the lore down into some overreaching plot like it's a fucking marvel-franchise.
What just happened to sequels? I'm so sick of you fags and your universes.
f18ebf No.15560949
>>15560611
I only consider the “universe” as being the first 4 games. I can play everything else after that and maybe even enjoy it but that’s only because I’m never expecting any new Silent Hill game to be a “real” Silent Hill game.
54e0e4 No.15561240
>>15560298
>They're all grindy, linear, annoying characters, predictable stories, childish, and gay.
Oh right, I forgot, the West did JRPGs better than the Japs. Pic related. Not even baiting, it's the only good one.
>>15560339
But on the other hand, nips understand that vidya is escapism or simply has to be fun, whereas the West always needs to politicize or be passive aggressive about their narratives and characters. I miss the times when all you had for story was being a buff space marine killing demons on the moon. No agenda, no bothersome commentary, just you and the millions that want you dead.
c6a207 No.15561291
>>15561240
Hey thats not fair, Barkley shut up and jam gaiden its too good to be true.
5b5a89 No.15561351
I just installed downpour to the hard drive because i don't want my 360 to dieand the game fucking glitched on the very first door, no matter what i do or what buttons i press, the game is stuck there because the prompt is bugged or something, and this one stupid cop keeps yelling at me to hurry the fuck up and shank a fat fuck or his boss will show up and ruin my fun, jesus fuck is it going to be like this all the way through?
76824f No.15561370
>>15561351
It’s pretty rough, especially some of the coding around collisions in the game. I think the worst, most atmosphere breaking thing are cop cars that chase you down and let out generic monsters when they catch up to you though.
5b5a89 No.15561385
Restarting the game doesn't work, neither does deleting my saves, starting a new file in a different slot or playing off the disc, did i get a bad copy or something? I can't get past the first door, the prompt to open it doesn't show up, i've even looked up walkthroughs and none of them seem to have this problem, the disc is in pristine condition if that matters, help me guys, this shit cost me $15 and the store doesn't have another copy of it or another game i'd want in exchange.
>>15561370
Yeah but the prompt to open the door doesn't show up, i've seen videos and all they have to do is walk to the door and press A, this doesn't work on my game, i'm stuck in the very first room.
76824f No.15561395
>>15561385
Could be a save thing, especially after a restart if it’s still showing up. The game can be pretty darn buggy. Make sure you don’t need an item or to do something before opening the door before deleting your save. Check a walkthrough. Nothing would suck more than deleting your save only to find it was an error on your part.
5b5a89 No.15561420
>>15561395
I've already deleted my save, doesn't matter because all i've done is watch the first cutscene and then i get stuck in the very first room, i'm supposed to listen to the cop talk and then walk to the door and press A to open it and beat up a fat guy, but i press A and nothing happens, i'm not supposed to collect anything yet, just walk to the door and open it, but i can't.
I think i'm gonna shut off the xbox and try again, if that doesn't work i'll remove the hard drive and play off the disc, or install it to a usb stick, that seemed to work for another games i had.
0215a6 No.15561537
off topic a bit, any games similar to the siren series, in terms of atmosphere/music? want something spooky to play tonight and cba finding out it emulates like shit everything on ps2 does for me, apart from re outbreak and obscure
5b5a89 No.15561548
>>15561537
Yomawari 1, the fatal frame series and that gook clone of fatal frame, can't remember the name though, no idea if fatal frame emulates well or not, i play them on my ps2.
11d680 No.15562388
>>15560366
Even games like Bulletstorm, Borderlands, Serious Sam, Duke 3D, and such feel sterile compared to japanese games. These games purposefully exist to be comedic games, so you know what to expect. In japanese games such as metal gear, the line between serious drama and comedy is really thin. As I said the japanese are full of perversion.
>>15561240
>But on the other hand, nips understand that vidya is escapism or simply has to be fun, whereas the West always needs to politicize or be passive aggressive about their narratives and characters.
To put it simply, japanese games are written by manchildren while western games are written by hollywood rejects and retired columnists.
313f9d No.15562439
>>15562388
No, you're just retarded and can't understand context.
A game of your native culture is less exotic than a game of another culture. Duke nukem wasn't just comedic, it had the hookers shaking their tits and even a porn official expansion. These are not just run of the mill things. You just think they are because now it's been decades and you've used to it.
>Muh animu girls are pure and original
This is how stupid you sound. Anime is a much blander medium than Western media is. It's a rip off of Western media and that's all that metal gear is as well. You're looking at a mirror and saying how unique it is while knowing nothing of what it's reflecting.
11d680 No.15562635
>>15562439
>Duke nukem wasn't just comedic, it had the hookers shaking their tits and even a porn official expansion.
Sounds like comedy to me.
>implying I praised japanese games
Lel no, I said they're written by dumb manchildren.
0215a6 No.15563735
for sh 2-4 on pc, do i need any patches are is it fine to play them normally?
000dd8 No.15563757
>>15562439
why are goons so insecure about anime of all things?
bbbd9b No.15563845
>>15563735
open_jacket no_bra is sexually arousing
760892 No.15563911
>>15556551
>I think I will see the story of 1 on a video
You're gonna skip a great game because why? Do you just want to be able to talk about the games?
>>15556565
>I can’t really begrudge anyone skipping a ps1 game
I can. Silent Hill is great. The atmosphere, is made even more haunting with the old graphics.
d9f87d No.15563916
Downpour for committing the least amount of lore-rape.
d3c65d No.15563938
>>15563735
>do i need any patches are is it fine to play them normally
Yes you need patches. You can theoretically just install and play them as is but it's not an enjoyable experience. You gotta remember these are early 2000s jap PC ports.
Here's a guide but it is from 2014 so I'm not sure if there's been any recent updates.
d3c65d No.15563956
>>15563735
Forgot to add
Silent Hill 3 is probably the easiest to work on PC out of the box
313f9d No.15563967
>>15563757
When you grow up you stop being a faggot obsessed with gook cartoons. It has nothing to do with being a goon.
>>15563938
That guide really needs updating. It's super old and we have new fan patches since then.
bcd035 No.15564049
>>15562388
What the fuck are on you an about? Metal Gear is basically all action movies from the 80's into one game, with some stupid melodrama in between aswell. I mean even the main character's name is a ripoff.
767f17 No.15564448
>>15563938
i'm a retard and just realised i had this pic already lol, cheers though
>>15563967
i'll have a look online or each specific game for new patches
7cd1df No.15565045
>>15560049
Deadly Premonition is an "homage" to Twin Peaks, which explains a lot of the feel of the game, a murder mystery that becomes stranger as it goes on.
c6b00b No.15565839
>>15556450
>Was kind of excited for Homecoming because I liked the idea of a war veteran being stuck in Silent Hill
>They even justified the changed combat by saying, you're a war veteran, so of course you can fight better than an average person
>It turns out he isn't a war veteran at all and was just in a mental institution the whole time
827498 No.15565930
>>15563757
Because they want to seem adult and mature to others, but in reality they're just infantile and childish. The only people worse are leftists.