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>windows 10 is shit

>windows updates in general are shit

News at eleven. Anyway, if you're stuck with win10, at least use WUMT wrapper script, this stops the forced updates entirely.

>>15554973

Question: I've got a W10 only laptop, and by that I mean it can install W7 but touchpad and usb drivers are either missing or cannot be installed over it.

Are there some generic drivers I can use and/or some way to make them myself?

I just used, i think it was called "NoSpy" or somethig, to disable and uninstall all the microsoft spyware and updates, never had a single problem since

>>15555033

which model?

>>15555036

Ancile does the same thing

Works on my machine ;)

>>15555026

The best part is that Home version user don't get a choice, they have to install those updates ASAP

So yes in fact the largest portion of the userbase is a betatest group.

Also why I'm keeping my Win 7 install for the foreseeable future, and proably jumping to LTS/Enterprise whenever I really need to.

>>15555066

s501u series

>>15555039

Neither. It's a feature.

>not getting rid of updates yourself by using one of million tutorials online

How long are you using your computers?

Man, this makes me glad I got a different OS, and 50TB of backups.

as if you didn't already have enough reasons to hate 10

>>15555039

>>15555098

I guess it's all three, you won't believe how apathetic the average white collar worker or normalfag coming home from work really is - I myself have this piece of shit OS permanently on because I only use it for my job and have no sensitive information on it, but if I could get everything I need in a working state, I'd do it in a jiffy.

I'd sooner fuck a loonix mascot.

>>15555179

>getting railed by GNU and having it empty its hard, firm balls of non-proprietary semen straight into your open source addicted boypussy

is there porn of this?

>>15555203

haha. you like mens butts, you are like a dog

>>15555179

>implying she wouldn't ram "her" CoC down your throat

>>15555221

>not cutting of "her" CoC like it's a tranny

The files just get moved to Windows.old, not deleted. Take 5 seconds to do some research. Still a stupid bug to leave on their part

>>15554973

Those still using 10 deserve this.

If you have to use it, don't use it. If you job depends on you using it, don't use it.

Simply don't use it.

>>15555235

Got anymore creepy windows10-chan?

Mandatory updates are supposed to be to increase the security of the platform by getting rid of older version machines. Other versions can disable the updates but home edition its not possible and made to be as hard as possible. Every time someone discovers an exploit to stop the updates Microsoft patched it. But it's actually so the NSA can implant malware or child porn on their target's machines via a backdoor.

>>15554973

>all those pajeet " help"-desk drones not offering a solution

Every fucking time.

>>15555039

It's a combination of both, Microsoft wants to be sneaky about using your PC as a personal data harvesting machine for their benefit, but they're cheap as fuck and 99% of their code slaves are imported streetshitters on worker visas.

When silicon valley promotes diversity, that's code for "cheap labor."

>>15554973

Delete the contents of the Download folder:

Start > Search> (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]

Open the Download folder and delete its contents

Close the window.

Also if you can disable updates from Windows 10 and use what i showed you above. That will delete the files on the updates that scans it and tells the computer to update to the newest version. I swear after this shit i am going to go full on Linux or at least move my laptop over. This is just inexcusable.

Win 10 deleted the original files of some of my art in an update. I was so fucking angry. All I have left is the exported .pngs. It was good art, and I was planning on working on it further.

>>15555523

Post your're art if you want

>>15555511

Use Artix Linux.

>>15555523

Unfortunately i have found the same thing happen to a few of my friends. I would suggest to buy a WD external hard drive or even a small flash drive and move everything over for now.

>>15555460

I hear you, but at least Loonix devs don't expect money and all your info from it. Not justified, but more so than M$.

>>15555460

And that's software that not every distro uses by default and is forced upon people. Unlike this update.

>>15555230

>The files just get moved to Windows.old, not deleted.

That's a lie Pajeet, sometimes the windows.old folder doesn't get made at all.

>>15555526

I'm at work and phoneposting. It's all basically just more simple versions of Hermippe's / Nicneven's stuff, i.e pixel art. Nothing that great, but I was happy with it.

>>15555536

I'd be worried about the Linux (kernel) takeover personally. Linus stepped down, and there's now a void likely to be claimed by anti-meritocracy CoC-type nutters.

>>15555576

Also a valid point, but you could dig up more examples through the different bug trackers. Debian for example has the "grave" and "critical" severities that can apply to data loss.

>>15555033

try this https://sdi-tool.org/

>>15555598

I think I might have seen your stuff on a drawthread a while back.

Does this affect all drives our only the C drive Windows is installed on? I NEVER put projects on my C drive without a copy on my backup drive.

>>15555532

>I would suggest to buy a WD external hard drive

they're coming for that next, better back up everything you have to microsoft cloud goy

>there are people running the forced beta test version of win10 instead of pro

Why?

>>15555698

because these are the goodest of goys. these people love the newest botnet. they're worse than applefags. atleast apple gives a smooth experience with their botnet; windows 10 is just trash all around.

>>15555070

>LTS/Enterprise whenever I really need to.

I don't have any problems (especially this one) with LTSB 2016 + Ancile 1.12. No botnet, all updates, workstation is always-on… which now that I'm thinking about it this is the first version of Windows that I haven't seen a blue-screen yet. Neato.

>>15555039

Both in this case though it's pure incompetence if you move your documents folder outside C drive then Win10 will delete it when trying to do a profile merge.

There was a time when being a PC gamer was something to be proud of. Now being a PC gamer means you're a fucking cuck. Cucked to Windows, cucked to Steam, cucked to Denuvo, cucked to bad ports of console games. There's no reason to be a PC gamer for anything other than retro games, and you can get away with all of those via emulators and VMs in Linux.

>>15555033

Check out http://driverpacks.net/downloads

The website collects drivers from a plethora of vendors into "packs" that you can download in one go and let Windows sift through. There's often generic drivers in the packs they offer.

>>15555555

>>15555612

btw is it true that that version is some kinda jewed up version now? There's also https://www.snappy-driver-installer.org/

which is better? I tested and it's actually kinda neat program. Found some updated drivers both on my desktop and Thinkpad.

>>15556026

I never trusted the so-called driver updater programs to be completely honest, they always pack malware one way or the other.

>>15555843

>thinks console gamers have it any better

>>15555029

>at least use WUMT wrapper script, this stops the forced updates entirely.

>not going into the policies and castrating windows from there

C'mon anon

>>15555203

lol fag

>>15556046

Console gamers get the non-port versions of their games that aren't infested with Denuvo or Steam. Some of them even get real live actual physical disks and cartridges too.

PC used to have niches that you just couldn't find on consoles at all, like RTS, but those are long dead. Most of the PC library is cross-plat console ports.

>>15556132

Hubris. Hubris and blindness, you who thought things would get any better.

I knew it. I fucking knew it. One day I was forced to use a Win10 laptop and had to plug in an external drive into it.

As soon as I plugged it in, there are around 300GB files lost in an instant.

With all this incompetency on top of their kikery, Microsoft should be nuked to ashes.

>>15556166

Just stick to 7 like everybody else, it's not that hard. And there are alternatives to linux, like BSD and the Amiga clones, /tech/ might have some ideas. I mostly use my PC for work and playing older games so I won't be changing my OS anytime soon, but if I ever felt like playing a new game which is highly unlikely I just visit the nearest cyber café.

>telemetry in W7

Was that introduced relatively recently? I only heard about the one in W10.

>>15555033

you can

basically all that happens is you need to unpack the w7 image and add your drivers in, it will see them during install. you might need to turn off secure boot in bios depending on the laptop.

windows 7 didn't have usb3 drivers by default.

>>15555228

>the OS is not only becoming more bloated but more unstable as well

welcome to modern computing, it's the same with all os's (except maybe bsd) and all cpu's.

>>15556191

They backported the telemetry into W7 updates, which is why you install W7 clean and NEVER EVER NOT EVER enable updates for any reason. Also don't play online games on it though. Like seriously, unplug the fucking LAN and unscrew the Wifi antennas when you boot to that nigger OS.

>>15556191

if you actually keep up with the updates for windows 7 they backported the windows 10 telemetry.

this is why it's best to download a fresh copy for SP1 or something, do a fresh install, and disable windows update. if your worried about getting hacked don't be a fucking idiot and use a virus scanner occasionally. stick a router in front of the computer.

>>15556191

>Was that introduced relatively recently? I only heard about the one in W10.

Around the last 2 years, most likely. Also it could easily be disabled and won't automatically be installed in fresh install, so avoiding the spyware isn't much of a hassle.

>>15556191

i gave up after a while, i now just use two towers and a kvm switch. i can put garbage on one and periodically flash an old image while using the other for anything that's not vidya.

i went through so much effort getting linux's low overhead vm to work and this still ended up being a better solution.

>>15556197

>>15556198

>>15556203

>>15556204

Good to know. I never enabled Windows 7 updates to begin with so no problems here.

>>15556202

Don't know, but really would see that happen. Do Microsoft have ties with the government?

>>15556204

I'm not kidding, it was around 300GBs. Some files are lost, some files broke and had their filesize down to 0KB.

What was even worse is that there was no way to tell what data was lost.

>>15556202

i'd go with a big no, office environments always have around 2 weeks of testing before they push a patch. microsoft made it a lot harder by including everything in one patch instead of individual ones, but you can still test them and remove parts you don't want (or that don't work).

I wouldn't even be on Windows 7 if I had known there was a 64-bit version of XP at the time, 8 is well past madness and at 10 you might as well just kill yourself slowly because you obviously enjoy suffering at your own hands.

>>15556219

>Do Microsoft have ties with the government?

Well a lot of governments do use Windows, but I'm not sure how many upgraded from 7. Some might still be using XP even.

>>15556221

>office environments

Think governments. No company would be able to touch a hair on M$ anyway.

>>15556198

>>15556197

Also greets brainlets that can't gut Windows 7 down to its most bare essentials, how are you doing?

>>15556237

i know at least some governments have been adopting an embedded version of w10, but they'd still follow testing practices and shouldn't be affected.

>>15556236

Doesn't XP x64 have problems with drivers or something?

>>15556268

it does, but they're largely resolvable by wrapping drivers from ubuntu you lose some printer features when you do it everything else works fine

>>15556268

>>15556236

>>15556274

I thought 64 bit XP was a Chinese botnet hack?

>>15556277

it's a hack, but i never saw a botnet from it.

i have it on some extremely old machines, can't read a word of the assembly used to make it work but the router is well managed and has never shown problems.

>>15555070

>>15556191

I wish windows 7 had better bluetooth, not having the option to use my controller wirelessly made me mad, and I hate the 360 controller.

>>15555235

Is there a drawing of 10-tan with gandered eyes going I deleted all your dirty pictures anon, only look at me!

>>15556237

True, but what I asked is do Microsoft have someone who would protect their interests in the government? Something like a lobbyist or shill?

>>15556283

What about the NSA_KEY?

>>15556300

all i know is that the copy i use doesn't have any weird connections outgoing

microsoft has lobbyists in the iso that's enough for them to squash most things.

>>15556288

It's a very small price to pay for your sanity. You wouldn't want to deal with W10's shit just to play wirelessly.

>>15556300

>Something like a lobbyist or shill?

Most probably.

>>15556300

>but what I asked is do Microsoft have someone who would protect their interests in the government? Something like a lobbyist or shill?

Microsoft has the near entire state of washington by the balls and most of the judges wouldn't do shit to them regardless of whether or not they were doing anything illegal because of both how MUCH money they bring in and how MUCH money they pay to the judges.

It's why every legal attempt to opensource the software and fork it from inside the company has failed. Among other things THE LINUX COMMUNITY with their incessant erection for doing deliberately obtuse shit and not cloning windows for the longest time

>>15556361

I could give less of a shit about whatever retarded shit THE LINUX COMMUNITY is up to I lost most of the respect for them in the mid 2000's

>>15556197

Every normal person pirates win7 and never bothers about updates.

I only worry if when i upgrade to high end pc for cyberpunk 2077 it might have issues with older os

>>15556407

>Every normal person pirates win7 and never bothers about updates.

Nigger what? With all the windows tax forced into laptops they'll end up using legitimate windows in some way. Where do you live?

>>15556403

>Also any decent resource to learn the way of the openBSD for tech illiterates?

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#ManPages

>>15556407

You know I hear about things "having issues with older OS" and I've never actually ran into any issue as far as things go besides Shadow of Mordor, and even then isn't that only an issue for the version of it from steam?

>>15556407

I built a Ryzen rig last year and had zero issue patching a clean W7 image with the USB3.0 drivers required to install it on the platform.

>>15556026

>btw is it true that that version is some kinda jewed up version now?

I'm not aware of any shenanigans, could you be more specific?

>There's also https://www.snappy-driver-installer.org/

Didn't know about this one, I'll look for more info.

>>15555120

>using ShitBlows10 in the first place

Even if you follow the tutorials and whatever else, it's still an ungodly piece of shit excuse of an OS.

>>15555070

Get Education version, same as Enterprise (all features) but you can usually get it free or for low money if you have an .edu address

Or just fucking pirate it lel

>buy cpu

>only works with windows 10

I…

>>15556991

surely there is a way around this, no?

>>15557002

Yes its quite easy to get around with too.

>>15556991

Usually they just Bar you from windows update, and you can manually download the software for your cpu to install.

>>15556866

The bird mascot is unironically better than this. There's literally nothing better to represent an open source application than a recolored stock photo.

>>15556991

That is a load of horseshit. x86 architecture is exactly that - the only way to make it truly incompatible would be switching to another whole architecture.

There's 'wufuc', which will stop the (((""""incompatible""""))) CPU nag and allow you to get further updates.

>>15557042

>>15557056

are there motherboards which can only survive on 10?

>>15557125

Very unlikely, even if we are getting into the realms of custom motherboards for servers.

>>15557125

With mobos you may actually run into issues with the included hardware. Chipset drivers are available and can be 'forced' at times to work. The part that may be hit or miss would be stuff like the inbuilt audio and ethernet, for example. In such cases, your last resort solution would be installing a PCI card that takes care of that.

As for the core functions, it'll be fine. Mobo manuals may say that there is only 'win10' support, but that means that they only offer win10 drivers for the chipset/ethernet/sound/raid controller, whatever. Even current mobos still have ACPI tables for win7 and even older versions in their BIOS data.

>>15557301

Terrible post.

>>15557314

t. windows 10 user

lmfao if you installed w10 you deserve to have your documents folder deleted. Fucking retards, there's literally no reason to """"upgrade"""" from w7

>>15556446

Thanks.

>>15556193

I completely forgot this was a thing.

navy anon here

all computers at my command are still xp

im sure that the military does not use 10 at all

there may be some running 7

quads

You know if MS just tried a little harder they could make a kick ass OS taking over the entire market. But because they eat ass they have to share it with linux and iOS.

>>15557770

go spill natto somewhere else, Remi

>>15557508

t. jew

>>15557765

Based gays

>>15557799

Why make a kick ass OS when all your enemies refuse to actually compete with you

>>15558010

> competition

My amnesia must have kicked in because I don't remember personal computers giving customers choice of OS at purchase.

>>15558019

You can asks for a computer or laptop without an OS that normassy has Chinkos on it, by law in some countries they'll need to oblige

normally*

>>15555222

Best digits

>>15557799

>taking over the entire market

What the fuck is wrong with you? How underage are you? Microsoft has 95% of the market. Every fucking computer on Earth of any note is a Microsoft product. This is how far humanity has fallen.

>>15558286

I never said all software should be forced to be backwards compatible. Only browsers and software that works through browsers. This is so that people who keep older versions of their OS can still use Hulu, Netflix, job finding sites, etc. Maybe 10 years back is a little far. Maybe seven is more reasonable, but I think this would be a very good thing.

>>15555026

not beta testers, but subjugated slaves who lick your shitty asshole while you shove a cattle prod up their ass

>>15556407

You don't need to update to windows 10 for anything.

Even the directx12 games work fine on windows 7 thanks to linuxfags.

wait so let me get this straight, they're sending out a patch that straight up fucks up peoples files and aren't postponing it or anything?

>>15558417

No, they ALREADY sent out a patch that straight up fucks up people's files.

This next patch is overwritten over that one in the queue.

>>15558571

The insider program is just access to preview builds. Given W10's track record I wouldn't use them, and neither should you.

That's just grand, at least I set up backup for my Dad's laptop. Don't give me shit, he got it before getting my input because it was on sale.

Good thing ReactOS will overtake Win10 about the same time as Win7 becomes obsolete.

>>15558640

> Why can't we just make our own ganoo slash loonix distroi that ignores the CoCk

Inevitably anyone that attaches themselves to SocJus shit is doomed to destroy everything they are attached to if it can't be used as a tool to push SocJus, it is in their nature. It is the nature of the phrase "Get Woke, Go Broke", and unfortunately, they went for the biggest target there was.

>>15555729

only windows support modern AAA vidya you sperg

>>15558729

And modern AAA sucks ass so there is absolutely no reason to ever approach the malware.

>>15558548

3years: >>15554973

>>15558640

git address?

>made a backup of all my files and completely switched to Linux on a ThinkPad.

>made a fresh install of Win10 LTSB just for vidya.

Wew just in time I guess.

How do I make it permanent tho?

>>15560094

>made a fresh install of Win10 LTSB just for vidya.

What part of "don't use Winshit10" do you not understand anon? Delete that and pirate Win7. Better yet, learn how to use WINE.

>>15560094

dont listen to retards who cant use simple premade scripts to stop updates, google "wumt wrapper script"

>>15557765

Chairforce anon here

Literally all of our computers use windows 10

Every day is suffering

>>15560486

I did try win7 instead of 10. For some reason my laptop was sluggish as hell with it so I reinstalled win10.

I don't do any hardcore gaming on it so for my needs it's enough.

I tried wine as well on my ThinkPad. It's mostly okay but I did run into compatibility issues. But it's good enough for a few small games.

>>15560492

After my trial ends I'll have to jump back to the normal one but God I hate having to remove all the bloatware and disabling everything.

Point is guys. I'm happy with my current version and I'll keep it this way for now.

I know it's not the best but it's good enough.

>>15560607

>I did try win7 instead of 10. For some reason my laptop was sluggish as hell with it so I reinstalled win10.

Well, I'm not gonna stop you. Just understand it's your data to be corrupted/lost/datamined. It would not surprise me if Micro$hit introduced (((planned obsolescence))) into Win 7 somehow to make it slow on all machines.

>>15560643

And that's why I mentioned I'm using it only for gaming.

Any other sensible data will be handled on my Linux machine.

>>15558571

Yes, they have that shit on xbone too and it's a fucking mess, thousands of people have gotten their xbox fried thanks to shitty OS builds and even the games with "insider builds" often wipe saves from the hard drive, and if you don't have gold+cloud storage on you're fucked.

>>15562614

React has the cancer CoC like Linux, I think.

>>15562795

It only technically has it because technically it's attached to Wine, I believe.

>>15558743

You can use windows 7 for gaming you mong.

>>15563088

Problem: DX in Win7 has a vram limit bug that's only been patched in 8.1 and higher.

>>15563095

Never heard about this, care to elaborate?

>>15563156

>>15563142

Called the "direct x memory allocation" bug, this is due to the memory overflow problem relating to 32bit integers. Since DX9 isn't patched on anything prior to Win8.1, the maximum amount of memory that can be allocated is 4GB. This is similar to the old pre-32bit patch in Win7x32 to allow windows to use more then 3.2GB of system memory(again 32bit integer overflow problem and no address aware space). So how is this bad? Well, DX is assigning memory space based on that 4GB limit. In Win7's case(x32 and x64), the total amount of available memory is 4GB in DX9 functions, that's shared across vram and system ram. Ever wondered why say skyrim would only use 2.59GB of system memory and 1.41GB of vram when you have 8GB of system memory and 3GB of vram for instance? That's why. Anyway, it's patched in Win10 under build 16232. Win8.1 was patched as well. There was no backwards patching of DirectX function calls to properly allocate memory for any version of windows prior to 8.1 because MS considers those versions of windows deprecated.

I know there's esoteric methods of getting DX11 and DX12 working on Win7. But any title that uses native DX9 functions and hasn't been patched will suffer the same problem. I suppose you could say use the patched DX9 dll's from Win8.1, and I know there's a few injectors that will allow DX to use more memory by writing their own functions and offloading, I think ENB does this but I haven't looked in a while. This is the bugged function here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/api/d3d9/nf-d3d9-idirect3ddevice9-getavailabletexturemem

Want a more technical explanation? Just search for it, it'll pop up.

>>15563088

How do you get around the restrictions of newer games which require Windows 10 and a specific update thereof?

>>15563459

>newer games with said restrictions

>good in the first place

You're a funny one.

>>15563448

Interesting. Got any practical examples of that bug affecting performance?

>>15563459

You don't play them because they're shit?

>>15563477

Without spending a couple of hours digging through plebit threads? No. It was known well enough that there's a few long threads over on the ENB forums though. http://enbseries.enbdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5493 The performance difference of course would be noticeable. Disk access is slow, memory access is fast, vram is even faster. The more stuff you can offload into memory means faster load times, less texture offloading, and so on. Same reason why there's such a noticeable difference loading a game off a SSD vs HDD. Biggest benefits to this are games which are 'open world' skyrim, fallout, GTA, MMO's and games that have those "load" areas aka you shimmy through a tight space - that the game precaching the next area. In a case like that, with more memory the game can "suspend" the old cell area, while you're in the new cell area and it doesn't have to reload the old cell. You can do your own tests though, grab windows thread analyzer or something similar, run a game in a non-patched state. Then run the same game in a patched state. Seem to remember, that it works out to being 20-40% faster in various cases.

Good example from a modern game, FFXV when you're traveling through dungeons. Compare how the game "seeks on the HDD" on the playstation, between cell areas. But on the PC it simply suspends the area into memory meaning no slowdown/loading time.

Ring 0 gaming comeback when?

>>15563517

>>15563448

And people wonder why I laugh at Proton/Khronos Team working on a hopeless endeavor.

Nobody conformed to OpenGL, Manufacturers won't even glance at Proton.

Sisyphean task, Valve, Sisyphean.

>>15563617

>Ring 0 gaming comeback when?

Likely never. Not unless there's some fundamental design flaw with CPU's that requires it.

>>15558300

"Reasonable" would be exactly zero years. Anything else is total bullshit.

>>15563448

>I know there's esoteric methods of getting DX11 and DX12 working on Win7.

DX11 is the version that is included with 7 by default, anon

>>15555222

>why does this have so many reply-

Nice

>>15556403

>I know Loonix+VM is a thing but it doesn't satisfy my needs.

You could at least try Linux or BSD on a laptop for now.

>>15555528

>le arch as a first distro meme

Newfags should be using devuan or mint

>>15556132

the CoC situation isn't bad enough to stop using it yet, and when it is there's bsd

>>15555716

It's not that these people are the "goodest of goys", the majority of people who run win10 literally don't know how to use a computer, plain and simple. There is not one single person I've come into contact with that used win10 of their own volition, they just do not know any better.

I don't even care that linux doesn't support more games at this point, fucking nothing is worth microsoft trying to break my computer with their retarded shit.

Yes I know about the CoC fiasco, and I'm not happy about it, but it still doesn't even come close to microsoft tier.

>>15557125

Yeah, they have this thing called "SecureBoot" that can fuck you over if it detects your OS isn't "Certified" by microsoft. People literally got locked out of their computer because microsoft pushed an update to win7 to remove it's "certified" status.

>>15562795

Fork it then.

>>15563666

>there's some fundamental design flaw with CPU's that requires it.

https://spectreattack.com

>>15563808

I'm waiting on >>>/tech/ lol

God I hate this piece of shit

>buy cheap toaster because I can't afford better

>windows 10 constantly hogs the harddrive and slows it to a crawl

>takes six billion years to download updates and then restarts with no warning

>failed to install the updates because my antivirus (rightfully) detects them as a virus

>changed my temporary internet files location for some reason, resulting in an error and a warning from itself

>nags me to use edge and changes my default programs

>>15564110

Give Linux a try. It surely will run better than Win10 on a low-end machine. (It's not like you intend to play games on that toaster anyway, right?)

>>15555222

>>15555305

Because the winjews 10 fags are on suicide watch.

>>15564140

I strongly advise this since you still have some options for games on there and it'll run a lot better. Linux Mint is the typical recommendation for starting out. You could also pirate Windows 7 but I'd advise ditching Microsoft entirely.

>>15556054

Too bad it's confirmed that windows literally resets windows update if you turned it off via services or policies.

>>15562614

At the end of the fday even if the project becomes mature enough it's still just XP with the linux subsystem from win 10.

>>15564261

No, that's what windows 10 is

>>15557799

Modern Microsoft Pajeets are what caused Windows 10 to happen. They can't make anything good, the only reason they haven't fallen to obscurity yet is because there's no good alternative to what their predecessors built.

You might as well say "if I tried a little harder I could make a kickass OS".

>>15564303

There's also the tragic tale of Eagle Computer, they created IBM clones for a brief period and it all went tits up when the CEO got in a wreck and everyone cut and bailed. If they had had competition in the early 80s things may be different.

Stop using windows 10

>>15565304

>If they had had competition in the early 80s things may be different.

But IBM did have tons of competitors. By the late 80s, people had realized that it no longer controlled the platform – that's the reason why "IBM compatible" became "Wintel".

>>15564224

>Linux Mint is the typical recommendation for starting out

Haven't they had security problems in the past? I remember reading something to that effect. It would probably be one of the most familiar distros to people who are coming from windows 7/8/10 though.

>>15555033

Save the drivers from your laptop before installing windows 7 and there are shitloads of generic ones out there too.

>>15566056

Their site got hacked so it had a malware-tainted ISO for a couple of days. But that was years ago.

>>15564303

>Truly a shame companies ran by mega kike (((JACK TRAMIEL))) never cooked up their own general-purpose Personal Computer hardware standards by 1992 to counter (((IBM))) and (((Microsoft)))

Yeah what a loss

So to those people who've been using Windows XP for way long past its expiration: How's it been working out?

>>15563712

When the hell did we get a booru?

>>15566056

One issue with their site not with the distro.

>>15558548

This is a prime example on how Reddit-like forums flatout don't work.

>Critical bug/failure that deletes files doesn't get enough upvotes: buried and forgotten

>proposals for new notifications and facebook integration, upvoted to hell and back

I'll just save those, rar them into a file and keep it around. Next time someone asks what's wrong with reddit, I got a gift for'em.

>>15558583

>notice blue link "What we do with this feedback"

>click it

>404

Fucking amazing.

>>15558595

Microsoft only uses indians for their cheapness.