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>>15553304

I wish the dragon qwuest heroes games were better

>>15553297

The first two gundam musous were more fun than the 3rd. They had better character interaction and maps.

I played Warriors Orochi on PC. I quit when I got to what I presume was the last stage and my army's commander, Zhuge Liang I think, kept running up to Orochi and getting himself killed, resulting in mission failure. I should dust off my Wii U and play Orochi 3 Hyper, I only played co-op a few times.

Also, has Dynasty Warriors brought back the bodyguard training or dueling yet?

>>15553423

>finished

>legend mode

Congratulations, you only played about 0.5% of the game. You should apply to be a game reviewer.

>>15553441

Yeah it's mindless repetitive fun, sometimes that's needed.

>>15553457

if its just shit grinding and roadblocks

that is the entire game

PBTTBTBBPTBPFFFFFFRT

Was teh Berserk game considered a "good" musou? I liked it a lot but couldn't get very far in the endless tower, and Guts was so OP I didn't bother playing the other characters beyond testing them out.

Cow Cow did nothing wrong and Liu Bei was a backstabbing holier-than-thou faggot .

I really liked Hyrule Warriors, so I got pretty excited to see what they would do with Fire Emblem, seeing how you could do something better and easier with how the universe lends itself for that. Instead I got disappointment and nu-FE characters hogging the roster, instead of Ephraim and Hector competing to see who kills more mooks, or Gatrie, Saul, Sain and other womanizers competing to see who gets more fangirls.

>>15553942

Seems to be a trend that people who wear green dindu nuffin.

I wish they did an Atelier Musou, but dunno how well it'd sell. Alchemists can find items on the field to later process into items, weapons and whatnot, while not-alchemists cannot use items but can be healed by an alchemist commander , or have overall better stats than the alchemists, while they have to rely more on the items to make up for their limited offensive abilities. Sterk can have musou attacks with his pigeons, or a pigeon is his right-hand man. It'd be cool to have the older alchemists as 3D characters.

>>15553624

Well, that is what a Mosou is. Grind. It's nice to have long term. I've been playing it when super stressed. Pretty fun for beating up endless hordes. I do wish the maps were more tactics based. I like it enough that after I 100% it, I'll either snag orochi 4 or one piece 3.

I do wish some of these spin-offs would get Empires expansions or full titles, Hyrule Warriors especially. I spent more than a few hours in old Starcraft maps built around taking over Hyrule, so having a real game that lets you actually do just that would be amazing.

More importantly,

>still no precure musou

>>15554248

Holy shit, that's genius. The huge cast and different styles lends itself great.

>>15554243

I kinda want WO4, but I've heard that a decent chunk of characters just get outright ignored as far as plot, and the game reuses several maps throughout the course of the story mode. There've also been reports of bugs like certain charge attacks crashing the game.

I'm waiting on a cracked version of the PC game to try.

>>15553411

Dynasty Warriors 8 Xtreme Legends brings back bodyguards in the form of three slots you can fill with any officer in the game. In order to get them you have to play Ambition Mode, and in order to grind them up, you have to "use" your other officers, who then scamper off and you have to go get them all over again.

It's a very odd system, but it does have benefits like passive buffs and triggerable strategies.

>>15554259

The Orochi games always have many characters that are left out plot wise.

What I'm hoping for is that they actually release an Ultimate version with ton's of characters from their other IPs like they did with WO3U.

I'm dying to see a Monster Trainer character from Monster Rancher with like 3 monsters, each one tied to one button and the inclusion of more Zill O'll, Atelier, and Night's of Azure characters.

I'd also love to see some kind of remake of WO1 and 2 with all the new characters and some kind of expansion on the story.

>>15554273

>The Orochi games always have many characters that are left out plot wise.

I know that, but it feels a little worse given that in prerelease info, Koei did state they were cutting down collaboration characters in favor for refreshing the relationships between the cast members, and I was expecting a little more in that regard.

>>15554243

4 had decent gameplay but was marred by an over focus on Seed.

>>15554243

>"Trinity Soul's of Z was a great underrated Musou RPG that deserves more attention than it got."

>Zil O'll PS1 gets import review by Gamestop that says it's merely average and there's

"there's just no room for it on this side of the ocean" anyhow.

>Infinite and Infinite Plus skipped over too; no fan-translation efforts either.

>Trinity actually does get brought overseas.

>Shat on by professionals so hard that TK doesn't even bother to clear the DLC.

I've only ever seen like two copies of Trinity where I live.

>>15554371

That's one that stings so fucking much. That game came out during the days when Koei was trying to find a regular, consistent and proper footing in the west and because Zil O'll got shat on so hard and overly compared to Final Fantasy Koei got scared and didn't even bother with it. What's worse is several studios actually wanted to do the localization. This fear then carried over with Infinite and Plus. Sucks because Infinite Plus was such a great game with gameplay, music, character design, map and world design and even story and character development.

And with Trinity, had the base game been successful they were planning to release the "Real" version with more playable characters, more move sets, a connecting world map and open towns that is was all fully exploreable and get rid of the menu towns and menu world map.

What hurt the most was because Trinity was so hated on by journos in the west they cancelled plans to remake infinite plus using the Trinity design and gameplay.

>>15554461

Pretty much everything sadly was getting compared to Final Fantasy VII and Square in general, to a point some would even get derided as "filler series" as if the only value lay in killing time between what big budget, highly anticipated games would be put out by Square. I'd wager it was very much that import review that broke the spirit though.

>What hurt the most was because Trinity was so hated on by journos in the west they cancelled plans to remake infinite plus using the Trinity design and gameplay.

Wouldn't it have also had to be badly received in the east too for that sort of treatment (which admittedly doesn't necessarily keep a game from still coming west)? Just saying, since they could well have gone ahead and made Infinite Plus Trinity or whatever you wan to call it, and just leave it overseas because clearly "we wouldn't like it." Then again, similar happened with Glory of Heracles V: most "professional" reviewers, at least here in the west, considered it to be outdated even at launch, thus it sold like shit, and NoJ has since killed the series, doing nothing with it for the last decade aside from putting an arranged song into Smash 4 and Wii U rereleases for III and IV. And that's after they went to the trouble of buying both the rights and team after Data-East went under.

>>15554001

I know I saw an import copy of some TK crossover musou a while back with at least one Atelier in it. Anyhow, it strikes me that perhaps JRPG musou spinoffs just haven't been as popular a spin off vector. Main one I can recall prior to DQH being Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave. According to what I'm reading, it was notably not a popular spinoff for the series (speculation being due to less character interaction and less interest from women, Tales having a notable fujoshit base in Japan). Dragon Quest Heroes would take another three years, and then you've got Fire Emblem Warriors last year. Point being, it certainly seems like licensing anime for the treatment seems like it's been the more prevalent route in the past.

>>15554589

I'm sure it wasn't just reviews but also financial. The game didn't sell well in the west and I'm sure the Western sale would have financed the development

>>15554589

You're probably thinking of Warriors All - Stars, which was a really bad game. I had such high hopes for it and was just so let down.

>>15554625

The sequel, if any, has nowhere to go but up. That is if Koei doesn't put out 5 musou games a year after right now.

>>15554620

Perhaps, but it seemed like it was doing just fine, albeit as a one main game a generation thing, without wanting our money prior. I suppose it depends on how much TK "wasted" on bringing it overseas, and/or trying to make something that we might have room on the shelf for (which reviewfags once again told them we didn't). Does make me wonder what their own native reviews for it were like in comparison, both to the west and prior entries.

>>15554625

Looked it up, English cover looks about right by my memory, barring no moonrunes.

>>15553304

Heroes 2 is better in many ways.

>>15554953

That's pretty good.

>>15554953

>anally ravaged by Char in the very first official mission on fucking normal

Where did the meme that Musous are casual come from again?

What would you classify Anarchy reigns as?

>>15555006

a mix of Curazay and 3rd person coliseum fighter

>>15554494

>On the flip side Orochi 4 is on its way on PC and they didn't fuck it up like they did DW9.

Really? I had given up hope on newer games altogether.

>>15555112

They can still botch up port or add some DRM bullshit on top of steam, but people with consoles say that it's an overall improvement over WO3 in terms of gameplay, there are no drastic changes to combat.

I can't play Samurai Warriors without the hyper attacks introduced in 4. Flying through armies like a divine deadly wind is just too satisfying for me to settle for anything less.

BEST OST COMING THROUGH

>>15553304

3DS Zelda Musou is actually good? Wtf? I thought it had massive slowdown and less enemies on screen.

I like musou games, but i wish you could command your cannon fodder soldiers.

Maybe something like KuF:C or what KuFII wanted to be, before becoming a goddamn online game.

>>15555345

>Faction symbol

Is that some sort of loss?

>>15555493

From memory, Samurai Warriors 2 Empires came closest to this.

>inb4ing your own OP

>>15553933

No

The nips fuckimg ate up WO4 apparently. Sold through 91% of its initial shipment.

>>15555177

>people with consoles say that it's an overall improvement over WO3 in terms of gameplay

I've been hearing the exact opposite in some cases. The changes like sacred treasures sometimes don't make up for the removal of R1 moves. The mystics/WO originals got fucked as far as changes, since they don't get the special moves granted to the DW cast introduced in 8, like EX moves, and the SW cast in 4, which got godspeed attacks.

>>15556104

Saw that. I'm not sure what to think now, with the exception of not being totally sold on the season pass since you don't get a lot of DLC outfits and weapons. The DLC outfits look like the DW8 costume swaps, only this time they account for new characters like Lu Lingqi and Chen Gong.

>>15556220

Speaking of DW9, they have more plans for DLC scenarios and stuff. I appreciate Koei trying to polish this turd, but please. Also my condolences for your Zhang He, and how although they added his claws back as DLC, they didn't seem to update his unique moves to reflect it.

>>15556229

Nigga I aint even going to pirate DW9.

They somehow managed to come up with combat system inferior to even DW6. That's some fucking achievement.

>>15556243

Good call, the new combat system feels very unsatisfying, ditto for the level progression and weapon progression.

Dian Wei being sent to the puppy farm always gets me, he's such a bro. He's probably the character's death that makes me the saddest.

What's your opinion on the Sengoku Basara games? I only played the one on the Wii that got brought over to America, but I enjoyed it, and Saica's got some great pair of tits, and a really fun fighting style, probably my favorite character to play as.

>>15556402

Love the series up until recently with Sanada-Maru, which felt like a very, very half baked spin-off not that New Yukimura, New Masamune, Nobuyuki and Masayuki aren't extremely fun to play as, there's just not enough to play as them in

>>15556402

Basara was crazy whacky take on Dynasty Warriors until they went crazy whacky themselves with DW7/SW4 and later games.

Now Basara has to double down on crazy or shift gears entirely to differentiate itself from DW once again.

It has its merits, but it always felt secondary to me.

>>15556414

>Now Basara has to double down on crazy or shift gears entirely to differentiate itself from DW once again.

Sengoku Basara Strikeforce

>>15556421

Didn't strike force use DW6 combat?

>>15556432

Kinda. Was referring more to literal super forms with shiny crap all over the characters and then ability to jump 3 times and fucking fly.

>>15556437

Maybe.

Or give everybody giant mech like in power rangers, that can combine or some shit.

As of SB4 it's not much different from SW4.

>>15556517

>Yuki-den is basically a taste of that with the two main characters looking like a couple of overdressed mobage rank-up assholes.

That's true, and I hadn't played it for so long, I had forgotten that Yukimura doesn't need to touch the ground at all in most cases.

>>15556243

>>15556386

9 was the first game I only played through one character and that was it. I've wanted an open world DW game for years and they fuck it up with that bullshit combat system. DW8 had the single best combat system in any of the DW games. They could have just improved that system by giving all characters 1 favorite weapon with 2 EX attacks, 1 sub weapon with 1 EX attack and then a third weapon with no EX attacks, (Think Cao Pi with his dual sword for 2 EX, the long sword that Simy Shi uses with 1 Ex and any other weapon with no EX). Just keep the previous battle system and toss it into the open world that was 9. That's it. Maybe improve the areas where major battles take place so they are slightly unique like the other Dynasty Warriors games.

Any zealous anon wanna tell me the best game in each series?

>>15558262

>Warriors Orochi

Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate

>Dynasty Warriors

Dynasty Warrirors 8 XL Complete - Empires is a great Follow Up

>Samurai Warriors

Samurai Warrirors 4, Samurai Warriors - Legend of the Sanada

>Gundam Musou

DW Gundam Reborn

>One Piece Musou

One Piece Warriors 3

>>15558316

Good man, thank you

>>15558262

With gundam musou it's not as cut and dry as they each do different things the best.

>gundam musou 1

Best character interactions by a mile, classic DW gameplay.

>gundam musou 2

Bettter maps and more refined gameplay than one, worse character interaction.

>gundam musou 3

Large original mode, best roster, worst maps. Adds a wide variety of new mechanics, tied for best gameplay with reborn. Cel shaded graphics unlike the other entries

>reborn

Overfocused on seed shit, poor roster overall. Gameplay is solid though. Poor original mode.

>>15558357

I’ll probably just stick with the other games first. Just ordered Samurai Warriors Spirits of Sanada and if that’s good I’ll go for the others.

>>15558357

Cel shading is trash, thank god they got rid of it in Reborn.

>>15558656

It looks pretty good in 3 though. They did not go overboard with it.

>>15558706

Cel shading can't look good period.

Also that oblivion-tier bloom is horrendous.

DWG3 is easily the worst looking one the bunch, even the first one looked better.

>>15558721

Well fuck I sound like a graphics whore there.

It's still a good game, as you said tied for the best gameplay with Reborn.

>>15558758

Yeah, I like how fast paced the gameplay is in 3 and Reborn with boosting and such. I've seen footage of Attack on Titan though, and it looks like it does movement like Gundam should have in some respects.

>>15558721

I would argue that 3 has the best beam effects at least.

>>15553330

Well…if that's the case it'd be a disservice not to put Crimson Sea 2 in the list as well given the last few stages and how amazing it evolved the formula by its end stages. 8^)

>>15558316

Samurai Warriors 4 is pure shit in almost everything it's almost insulting. Did you mean Samurai Warriors 4-II where things are at least playable and the hyper attacks don't make the whole thing run on autopilot among other major improvements?

Legend of Sanada still is very much "Lost Potential THE GAME" but at least Nioh gave us a fine view of how Kou Shibusawa himself would age the characters he created but Sanada Oldmura from LotS is something that must be kept for future games as well.

If Kou Shibusawa is involved with the second Nioh as well, expect everything to go absolutely right. if not…and it's not so much that Nioh lifted from SW rather than Shibusawa himself trying to expand on his own SW ideas before he left the series after the expansions of SW1.

Quite probably but the development is also quite the journey since Shibusawa was only in it for two of the stages(the first where it was derivitive of SW and had a forgotten Akira Kurosawa script and at the end after TN decided to ask for help since they couldn't make heads or tails out of it until Shibu and Koinuma joined the production). Given how they mentioned in interviews what they set out to do they knew full well what they wanted but had to look at DS for the loot and stats system since otherwise we'd end up with some massively over/underpowered shit. Not that there isn't any in the game now but could you imagine if the things that broke the game weren't the broken shaman abilities but rather the wooden stick you find in the first area?

>>15560155

Totally wrong. Empire games lack sufficient strategy that can be almost completely ignored in favour of just running in at the enemy. The lack of a structured map means there is less challenge in overcoming the scenario presented overall. In terms of gameplay its almost entirely a downgrade.

In addition, one big appeal of the games is seeing the characters, their struggles and their interactions. Why Dynasty Warriors 5 and the original Warriors Orochi stand out so significantly is because of the separated stories that you get to explore.

Empires forgoes these mechanics for a poorly implemented total war game where you play as the only unit that matters, except for occasionally one other guy or base, and you can beat all the other units.

>>15561967

It's hard to play musou for the plot when the english dubs are shit.

>>15560347

This is your only post in this thread.

Reflect on that a moment.

>>15554998

Maybe the guy playing is just ass.

>>15565723

I wish the series had better shotas than SW1 Masamune. Nice asses though.

Warriors Orochi 3 is going to kill me. But I have to unlock everything. I failed to unlock Orochi X in 2, but I have to unlock everything this time. Preferably before 4 is released.

>>15566136

Why is he a caveshota?

>>15570060

>unlock everything

Lucky for you that won't be too hard, every character with the exception of one can be unlocked through relatively normal play. Now if you want all the Mystic and X weapons, well then you got a lot ahead of you.

Also SW1 was weird, and I think the only one directed by Kou Shibusawa.

>>15570086

Wow. That's a far cry from the 'beat every mission on every difficulty and max out a few dozen or so characters' that WO2 had.

>>15570102

Don't get me wrong, WO3U's story is pretty long, but it doesn't feel that way to me since it's been a few years since I played it fresh.

>>15570113

Oh man, I know its long. I've gotten half way through the story, and it still hasn't revealed the kitsune lady from the intro with the many tails. Doing the side missions is a hella grind, but its not bad.

I think the main issue is the constant having to sell items and raise relationships. It's just a bit of upkeep that slows me down from playing the game, though I suppose it gives you a break from the action that stops you from burning out a little.

>>15570130

She was added to the game with Ultimate, meaning you have to reach one of the original game's endings before getting to her section of the plot.

>>15555334

If you play it on New 3DS there’s no problems

How good is the second fist of the north star musou? I heard the first is better. Is the dlc for both shit or not that badly priced?

>>15570210

The second has better story, but it cuts out the Land of Asura arc. It's gameplay is also closer to a more traditional Musou game

FOTNS Musou 1 has really large maps and a lot of mini game/QTE gameplay on top of typical musou gameplay. The movesets are also not very long or varried as compared to the second, plus I think I remember there were only like 12 playable characters.

I preferred the second one over the first, but I have a friend that preferred the first.

Now that I played DWG2 and Reborn back to back I think 2 is actually better? Better as a Gundam game even.

I mean yeah it's slower and has like 10 times less enemies on screen, but it also actually feels like mech game, where both you and enemies are slow and powerful, each hit matters and you can't just zip around battlefield even in transforming suit.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Reborn too, but feels more like traditional musou, where you play superhuman rather than robot, it feels extremely similar to SW4 where you just ram through hundreds of trash mobs in a flashing whirlwind of death. It's fun and cool, but it doesn't quite feel like I'm a Gundam.

Now somebody tell me how to get Japanese Voices into PS3 version of DWG2.

>>15571565

>88 on blonde man's chest

What did they mean by this?

great anime though

>>15571565

I don't know what the genre is called now but it's what people were calling the DBZ Tenkaichi games. That applies to games like those new Naruto games and that Shonen Jump J Stars Victory game. I just never adapted to what they call them now and always stuck with 3rd person coliseum fighters.

>>15571579

How did I miss that

>>15571601

Got any other notable ones to list? I'm not big on dbz or nurootoh.

>>15571601

Not really, I think Bandai Namco pretty much uses that style of gameplay for their licensed anime games.

There's a Black Clover game, a Tokyo Ghoul game coming out, the Final Fantasy Dissidia games would qualify, There are 1 or 2 JoJo games that use that style I believe, some One Piece games, and Saint Seiya. I can't really think of any others sorry. Also, I may be wrong about a few on this list list since I haven't played all of them

>>15555025

>>15571565

>>15571601

>>15571610

>>15571629

It's called GundamVs clone.

Without gundams.

>>15572122

Sad how Gundam Vs. is the only one to really do it well.

>>15572130

V-On did it better before Gundam started to do it.

Emulate Oratorio Tangram.

>>15570086

It is, just like only Dynasty Warriors 1-4(?) were directed before Shibusawa jumped ship and Akihiro "Orthodox" Suzuki got the reigns of it and initially the Orochi series, the same can be said for Samurai Warriors were Shibusawa and Koinuma were tired of Sangoku games and made their passion project(Shibusawa's other historical passion at least) : the Sengoku period. Starting with 2, Koinuma got everything from Shibusawa because the man had some concepts that couldn't be explored with the hardware(from what he claims at least) and focused on other games, like Crimson Sea 2.

>>15570282

Hokuto Musou 1 / Ken's Rage 1 is regarded as better by some people because it functions like a beat'em up first and foremost with Musou controls and an additional Musou mode where you straight up go to town like a proper Warriors game but it also has better graphics, aesthetics that capture the FotNS feel and the best arc only along with a swank dream mode and a great progression system along jumping. The thing is that it is only 30FPS and with the sequel they removed Koinuma and his team and muddied the graphics to god-awful levels, removed jumping thus removing an entire layer of moves and tactics, removed the Aura moves and relegated them to slightly more boring musous but they got the 60FPS without properly utilising them fully.

In short, KR1 was made with the PS3's limitations in mind and the FotNS aesthetic to an autistic detail while the second game was a rushjob to match with current licensed Warrior titles sensibilities that may or may not have not fully matched it.

Ideally Ken's Rage 2 should have come out on the PS4, include KR1 and expand with the second part, have 60 FPS and be a tad faster, include the dash mechanic but not replace the jumping one, ease up on the QTE finishers and expand on the aerial combat a bit along with a slight improvement on existing movesets and nobody would have been as angry with it as they were on release. It's like what happened with One Piece Warriors 2 except OP had a 3rd game that fixed everything wrong with the 2nd one even if it didn't bring all the good stuff from OPW1.

>>15572134

That and the very obscure Real Robots Attack on the PS1 by Banpresto that had some nice ideas that Virtual-On Oratorio Tangram integrated far better and smoother.

>>15560133

>Legend of Sanada still is very much "Lost Potential THE GAME"

Seems like the hard to please nips really enjoyed it. The reviews are all pretty high and it’s still sitting at a full price tag over there.

To be honest the only Musou games I play at are the Empires editions. Any news about any soon to come Empire? maybe a Samurai Warriors with the story features of Dinasty warriors.

Alright. Skim through this whole thread and I'm still not seeing any consensus.

If I were to try one musou game on ps3, ps4, or vita, which would it be?

Are Gundam Breaker 3 or Senran Kagura Musou? Why not?

>>15574009

Self-contained for the most part. It focuses very heavily on the Sanada clan, and actually has a lot more information on them compared to any previous game.

>>15574553

Cool, thanks. Like I said pretty good so far. I know I like it because I want to go back home and get back to playing it. I guess my only other question is how is the power scaling on the items and equipment. Right now it takes forever to kill a group of enemies but I figure that’ll get better when I level the character up.

>>15572545

I completely agree with you and yet I still enjoyed FOTNS Musou 2 more. It's because it is more like a typical Musou game that I liked it more. Doesn't change that 1 is superior it many regards and I thoroughly enjoyed it too, but I still preferred 2 more.

>>15574372

You'll never get a general consensus because while the general population likes to bitch that every musou is the same game with a different coat of paint, it's really not. Every game has a host of different mechanics, story aspects, character focus, and style that each appeal to different people. Some people love Dynasty Warriors 4 because of the Duel system that allows the play to focus on named enemies while peons create a kind of ring around you to fight. Some people love the renbu system of 6 because it was newlol. Some people hate DW but love Samurai Warriors because of the different character functions (Ninja's can double jump and take different paths, heavy characters can plow through barriers. And, some people hate the SW and DW series, but love the Anime based Musou games (Gundam, One Piece, Fist of the North Star.) You will never find a true consensus. You're best bet is to pick one and try it out, if you don't like it, try again. that's how it works with Musou games.

As for Gundam Breaker, I wouldn't say it would Qualify as a musou, but more like a Gundadm Devil May Cry. Senran Kagura is closer in style and gameplay to a musou, but the difference is that Musou games have larger stages that can take a little over a few minutes to fully get around and Senran Kagura only has a few very large maps, but each map can traversed in less than a minute. Also, Senran Kagura has preset combos, kind of like Tekken or Street Fighter where as Musou is kind of like an open combo system. Both games are great though, I just personally wouldn't classify them as Musou

>>15575093

Nope. It has all 8 content and up to SW4-II content. It was developed alongside 9. I'm disappointed it doesn't have Spirits of the Sanada characters and new 9 characters with 8 set-up, but at least it's not 9's moveset and bullshit. I just hope it does well enough to warrant an ultimate addition with more special characters from other Koei Tecmo IPs

>>15575156

So long as the other characters are integrated well. Some of the ones in Warriors Orochi 3 were pretty good, like Ryu chatting to Hanzo, and some of them…

>>15575243

It's only DW and SW characters plus Orochi exclusive characters. No expanded KT IP characters.

>>15575156

I think collaboration characters are going to be kept in Warriors All-Stars from here on.

>>15574969

Which one actually has interesting plot / story? I find I cannot into games without a decent story accompanying it

>>15575398

Depends on the game.

All of the Dynasty Warriors games follow a rough outline of the three kingdoms era/romance of the three kingdoms. Honestly, it all depends on how much you like the characters, but you switch through a lot of them.

That's why I advocate for DW5 on PS2. Each character gets 5~ stages of their own, often overlapping with others, with their own personal epilogue. It really gets you a feel for who each character is.

In the later games, it usually follows the story of a faction rather than a character, and you switch who you are playing a lot, so the feeling of the story is more linear and more whole, but if you don't know the characters it can go either way.

And I'd recommend at least playing one of the Dynasty Warriors before jumping into Warriors Orochi.

I still have Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 but I lost my PS2

Gundam Breaker 3 is a suitable replacement for New Gundam Breaker which is more disappointing than my son.

>>15575398

For story

PS2 era - Dynasty Warriors 5 and Xtreme Legends

PS3

Dynasty Warriors 7 had the single greatest play out of the Three Kingdoms story. Dynasty Warriors 8 had the second greatest with better character design, removal of clone moveset characters, and an improvement on the multi-weapon system that started in 7.

The difference between the ps2 and ps3/4 games is that once you got into the PS3/4 games the story shifted from focuses on the story of each individual character to the story of the entire Kingdom and the role each character played in that Kingdom's story.

For Samurai Warriors

Overall Spirit of the Sanada had the best story, however, it only covers the story of the Sanada clan. Beyond that Samurai Warriors 4.

Personally, I think Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate had an amazing story

>>15575355

Good God, please don't say that. I was so disappointed with that game. I hope they just let it die and try to experiment with WO4 in an Ultimate form.

>>15575536

WAS was interestingly flashy and over the top, but a lot of the gameplay outside of the movesets could have been improved for sure.

Which franchises could translate for fun/good Musou, or that you'd like to see?

-Kemono Friends Musou. Wipe out Ceruleans, help Friends in need, ride different buses for fast travelling, all in simple strategies that are advanced for their animal brains. Can switch Friends depending on terrain, like using Otter and Jaguar for water combat, or Alpaca for mountain terrain.

-Smash Musou. Might be lazy, but you could have something better than Subspace Emissary with Nintendo and guest characters cooperating with each other; add in mooks from different franchises and stages

-Thunderbolt Fantasy Musou. Unique look if they keep the puppets, and also kinda funny to see playable puppets flailing around.

>>15575762

Dissidia Musou. Koei Tecmo already developed the current Dissidia game, SE might as well just let them make what they're best at.

Record of Lodoss War Musou

Grancrest Senki Musou

Suikoden Musou - Even as an original story it'll work.

>Start off with 5 playable characters and non playable 3 sub/support characters that are all part of the 108 stars

>part of the story is recruiting the rest of the Stars of Destiny which is made up of playable and support characters (a blacksmith, inn keeper, and the sort)

Escaflowne Musou - Only issue is that there really aren't that many playable characters

Xenogears Musou

Goblin Slayer Musou pls no

>>15575762

Game of Thrones.

I don't know if I'm being ironic or not.

>>15575788

Knock on wood so that it doesn't happen. After DW9 came out the director and producer did an interview with Famitsu and they were asked about their next Musou project. They said they are working on a Musou for a hugely popular Western IP. The interview asked is it Game of Thrones and they laughed then said "Oh you'll see"

>>15575788

It's medieval fantasy, has loads of characters and big battles, seems down right Musou alley, but I don't give a damn about GoT. Hell, a Marvel/DC Musou could be more fun if they go crazy with superpowers, but it would be insane to have flying characters, super speedy characters or with other properties.

>>15575015

>I wish there was a Bleach mousou

There kind of is. Soul Resurreccion had a very Mousou feel to it. If you can stand an almost mousou that only covers the Hueco Mundo and Aizen arcs.

Just play an MMO if you want to grind like an autist.

>>15576269

Cowboy Musou when?

>>15575762

Crusade Musou

>>15576582

Breaker is overrated shit.

And with NGB fiasco shilling of previous shit games only intensified.

I wonder if that was scamco's plan to begin with.

Musous are infinitely better than gendum shitter.

>>15575780

>Record of Lodoss War Musou

Yes please.

>>15576789

Did you base your opinion on the series off NGB? If so they are hardly comparable. GB3 can get pretty cuhrayzee and some times that shit goes so fast it’s hard to even keep your eyes on what’s going on. Really, my biggest complaint is they couldn’t get it running at 60 FPS.

NGB on the other hand did away with a lot of the gameplay and customization with the parts stats and made it into something similar to a party game.

>>15576848

I agree

>>15577336

>casualized EXVS with healing on flat small ass square arena

Yeah that sure looks somewhat better than NGB, but where's musou in that? You never seem to be fighting more than 4 enemies at a time. Why not just play EXVS?

>>15576789

Sort of agree there. Yeah the gunpla mechanics of Gundam Breaker are great, it doesn't change the fact that at times it feels like a slog, and you fight only about 5-6 units at once, which hasn't been very Musou in years.

Not that I didn't play GB3 and collect every single part in the game though.

>>15577136

In WO3U, there's a Gauntlet Mode DLC that unlocks a stage where every single enemy is set to the lowest misama level, but they all drop a 150 experience scroll when killed. You can go from level 1 to level 100 in about 2,000 KOs, and you get to run around with a constantly refilling musou bar thanks to all the level ups.

>>15577391

Also, that's a arena type mode in the game where you fight other people's designs controlled by the AI. The actual game is more of a beat em up where you travel from section to section of a map and beat up robots, but again, really no more than 5-6 at a time.

>>15577419

It was OK. Filled with Nu Fire Emblem, and basically a reskin of Hyrule Warriors with some light strategy components.

>>15574919

It's cool man, to each his own as they say. I'm perfectly happy with my international version of HM.

>>15577690

It's really mediocre unfortunately and it's not even a roster problem, a lot of key people present in HW's development either left the company and went to Marvelous(guess who's developing Fate Extella, Fate Extella Link and God Eater 3 now) and those that stayed went on to develop NioH along with Team Ninja so…we got something really mediocre with almost zero passion.

>>15577897

This, Sailor Moon Musou, Mario Musou and Dragon Ball Musou are always at the top of the charts now that FotNS Musou has happened and Saint Seiya Musou was done by Dimps.

>>15581518

Gundam's always pretty based.

>>15582380

It's almost like there's a Nintendo curse where employees go apeshit and redistribute themselves to different companies after working with them.

>>15582401

It's because Nintendo doesn't give the 3rd party developers the development freedom they desire. So staff get really burnt out have to redo their work 50 to 60 times in really short time spans. So, they call their friends at other studios to complain about the bullshit they had to deal with that they never used to deal with and their friends tell them you don't have to deal with that bullshit here, let me talk to the studio heads. Then there goes the studios better staff members who feel like their souls got crushed because they were dealing with some dude from nintendo, who doesn't even work for their studio, standing over their shoulder watching and criticizing every little thing they do.

>>15582224

How was Extella anyways? All I know about the first game is that its OST was god tier

>>15582933

Combat was good. Story was okay. Battles became very boring very quickly. And the scenes in between battles dragged on way to long.

>>15582933

Gameplay was terrible for a musou, story was decent. Only worth playing if you like fate really.

>>15583422

>>15582933

>>15583247

They should REALLY consider FGO Musou. Assloads of characters and a lot of story. Hell, just copy+paste the story and conversations , add in Musou lines and such. Would love to play as Jack and zoom in on her 3D ass.

>>15583247

>>15583422

Gotcha, I’ll probably just stick with enjoying the OST then, thanks

>>15583460

>>15583464

For what it is worth, I have heard the gameplay of Extella link is much improved but I have not played it yet so I cannot say for sure.

>>15583587

I saw that, I’ll have to keep my eye on it. If the songs from the trailers are anything to go off it sounds like it’ll have just as good an OST as the first game.

>>15590684

Basically Senran Kagura.

>>15590782

They all look like the same character with different hair.

>>15590782

I don't like titty monsters

>>15590782

>cute nun

That is my fetish.

>>15593203

>Favorite DW is easily 6

Thanks for letting me know that I don't have to read the rest of your post.

>>15593317

If you like DW8 you might want to look into WO4 that's being released in 7 or so hours.

It got all DW8 characters AND Samurai Warriors AND original ones.

You can also emulate DW Gundam for PS2 and PS3 if you like mechs, though PS3 emulation is still not perfect.

>>15593137

homo

>>15594136

It's all costume packs, friend.

Just wait for the ultimate version.

Or play it and tell us if its any good

>>15593317

DW8 and One Piece Warriors 3.

>>15594196

>>15594190

It's good, the combat flows very nicely and is oriented around getting high combos to chain your characters and magic together. Much better than becoming a one man curb stomping machine that you'd get from WO3U.

That said the menu system can be a little confusing at time, and the multiplayer battle mode is dead already.

yo yo yo

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I bought this shit anyway

>>15594151

Remaking Drakengard with different gameplay would water down what DK was all about in the first place.

If you want the same experience but with HD graphics - just emulate it.

There was a pasta how horrendous gameplay is integral to the narrative and game just wouldn't work if it was fun to play.

Sage for double post.

>>15594829

I've heard that Cavia actually did try to have good gameplay, contrary to the idea that the game is tedious on purpose, but the idea that Cavia tried they hardest and gave us that was sad.

>>15594813

Whoa no Denuvo or anything? in that case I'm buying it too

>>15594829

Except the pasta's bullshit because that was about the tedium of the experience and the idea that a guy who kills that much shouldn't have a happy ending(yet ending A and D are bittersweet) and like >>15595067 said, they did try their hardest because despite Taro being a writter, it is his and Shiba's baby and Shiba really did want good gameplay, they were just inexperienced. It's why only the Dragon portions are still good to this day but the Caim portions are mind numbing to anyone beyond hardcore fans of the series. If the pasta was true, then the dragon portions and dragon riding during the Caim sessions should have been as joyless and as lifeless as that of Drakengard 3. Now that's where the pasta could be true(though it's more likely due to Access games working on cheeseburgers, forced to make a game on UE3 and being tired as hell from slaving over Lord of Apocalypse).

>>15593137

>titty monsters

Nobody cares, and your memes to disparage normal healthy masculine desires are stupid.

Could a modern day Musou be made/are there any in existence?

It might be really controversial , but I'd like to see one, though not using real events to steer off a bit from controversy.

>all-out battle royale between civilians, armed forces, politicians and more

>any excuse to not have abundant high caliber firearms, so no "lol , why don't they just shoot each other?" scenarios, ammo is stupid scarce and valuable or something, or they all agreed to use them the least as possible because it's not honorable or some shit

>batons, clubs, baseball bats, martial arts, knives, shovels, etc as weapons

>pick a side and improve your numbers, morale and strength

>civilians exceed at guerrilla tactics, armed forces at Urban combat, politicians are a mix of both; or simply balance out their advantages and disadvantages; civilian units are abundant but weak, politicians start out weak but can have perks, armed forces are few but strong

>make alliances, betray, but also be prepared for sudden backstabbing or assassination, so you must talk with your units at your camp, or observe that they don't take as much damage during battles

>you get to decide to rule the city/state/country either by force, peace, intimidation

>>15596084

That fucking parrot must be a bodyguard. Some of the presidents should/would be turned into little girls or handsome buff dudes.

>william howard taft is a chubby loli moving around on a mobile bathtub

>abe Lincoln, wrasslin' president

>>15596199 (Check'd)

>Aisha Clan-Clan as Herbert Hoover

Why?

>>15596259

I have no idea.

>>15596942

Is it fun, though?

>>15597047

It's really fun without being overly hectic like Warriors All-Stars was. You have enough power that you can focus on getting high combos, but not so much that you can't keep track of what's going on.

>>15597233

>first day buy tells you its fun

Why don't you wait a week.

>>15597233

>>15597142

>>15597263

You can fucking pirate it.

And if you're pussy you can fucking refund it.

Game is only fun if you like the genre. It does everything that makes musou good right.

It's also a level faster than DW8, which makes pulling DW characters combos off hard at first.

But it does hate toasters and won't run on 600 or 700 GTX series most of this board have.

Are there any for phones?

>>15598607

Yes

>>15594196

>Lingqi is in WO4.

Yay, love her move set. I surf around the battlefield with that crosspike of hers.

>>15598734

None of these fit to be honest, I'm inclined to believe it was auto-generated using some RNG bullshit.

>>15596199

holy shit. Someone still has this image.

>>15599121

Nobunaga joins you after Chapter 2

I do agree that there is a little less interest in the plot though. Like WO3, the unified plotline leaves a lot of characters sidelined and makes it feel a bit like a slog to get through, unlike WO1/2 where you could freely switch around 3/4 plots.

>>15599515

Hasn't that been a staple for the series?

>>15601143

The idea of ranks only came about recently in DW8XL. They're kinda superficial considering you can bomb a lot of stuff with Unity Magic to make up for lost crystals.

>>15601166

Rather I meant, clearing on Hard doesn't count for lower difficulties

>>15601208

I know, I'm just saying I don't think it matters in any significant way. I believe the objective rewards can only be gained once, and the achievements related to S ranking stages are not difficulty specific.

Now that I remember, WO2 and WO3 also did not give you a clear icon for lower difficulties if you clear a stage on a higher difficulty.

>>15602881

I think it's because the armor doesn't highlight his muscles like his SW1 outfit, plus the addition of wing-like bits of metal on his deification.

>>15602881

>>15602913

I think that his best outfit is SW2 one.

It goes for most SW characters actually.

>musoushit

>>15603488

counter sage

>>15602881

I think SW4 Softened his overall character design and made his less like Nobunaga from Onimusha. SW4 tried to make all the characters more relatable SW4 ended up making him look less like this omnipotent super villain and more like a human

>>15602881

effeminate is a word that is kicked around far too often and misused when it is. He does look younger though.

Why didn't this become a musou? It would actually make sense with how cartoony it is in violence and with its gritty "totally not Kamen Riders beating up thousands of the same faced mooks" type of schtick, especially when the few cockroach amalgams shown in the series could be bosses or generals.

Oh wait, I forgot, everybody sees the cockroachers as niggers so it's politically incorrect to make a game where the implication is that you kill chocolates and the outcry would reach Japan even if it never left the shores, with Koei loosing tons of clients for their (now) fujobait series.

>>15556421

>>15556437

Where would you rank Strikeforce in comparison to other musous? Sounds fun to pick up for less than $10.

>>15614983

It's an odd spin off based on one of he weaker entries of the series. It has its own strengths that could have used some better fleshing out (not that I've tried the second, Japanese only sequel) that aren't really featured in any Warriors game before or since.

>>15615097

>can somebody bite my finely crafted bait I spent 10 minutes on

No.

Don't like it don't play it.

>>15615097

are there even Bosses? looking at some gameplay footage again and it's just trash mob killing simulator.

>>15615100

wondering why others like it, I haven't tried them. Actually I played Senran Kagura for an hour and I understand the appeal of Tits + School girls and the combos are fun to execute. But after an hour killing trash mob got really pointless.

>>15598674

>one hero taking on 100 npcs

>the NPCs just stand there and continue to throw themselves to their deaths

wtf am I watching? They have no AI, they need a flee mechanic, they need to regroup.

If a bunch of soldiers saw 1 dude mow down 100 of them they wouldn't continue to fight him. Those mobs aren't even fighting lmfao, they just walk towards the hero expecting to die.

Can mobs attack in these games?

>>15615113

i want to like these games, im curious as to why others like them.

I'm looking at gameplay footage and it's confusing. It's like playing Wow, with a level 99 character taking on dozens of level 1 goblins.

WHy?

Is the story really compelling? Is there some mechanic I'm not seeing? Do you collect stuff? Are the characters really interesting?

>>15615131

k.

Since I have a vita what game should I try first? or psp.

>>15615140

Go with the setting you like.

Like chinks or japs - play Dynasty or Samurai game.

Like gendums or some shonene anime - play licensed game, preferably the latest one, though I've heard that HNK actually got worse with the sequel.

Notable bad musous that you should avoid are Berserk, DW6 and DW9 ones, don't play those.

I don't quite follow which game is on which platform, but I'm pretty sure ever PS3/4 game has some psp/vita counterpart.

>>15556229

The annoying thing about zhang he is that the only reason why he acts like a tranny is because he was known to be attractive, so they decided to make him gay and effeminate, for no fucking reason. They didn't do that shit to zhou yu!

>>15615205

Didn't they give him some moves from Vega?

>>15615202

The most ironic thing is how much effort some assblasted faggot put into that edit.

>>15615267

I dont play street fighter games, okay?

>>15615277

At least you're not triple posting.

Checked.

>>15615282

AOT is fucking musou, if gimmicky one, if you played it you would know that.

>>15615307

I don't know if its considered musou, but I love AOT2. Sucks that it ends on a cliffhanger tho.

>>15615300

You want to talk about an unfair shake, let's talk about the entirety of Wei and particularly Cao Cao. Up until DW7 Wei and Cao Cao were treated like some immoral, power hungry, despot acting super villain. Worse off, thanks to fucking Luo Guan Zhong and his bullshit Liu Bei was treated as a honest, good, faithful and "benevolent" person when he was really just a con artist carpet salesmen that grasped at an opening to make himself more valuable than he really was. Fucker's followers were more like cultist than anything else.

Shit, Wei did nothing wrong.

At least KOEI recognises the innate coolness of Wei and they were always the most dapper and awesome characters in their games. On the other hand, the only guys I could stomach from Shu were Gan Ping in DW5 and WO1 along with his not-waifu, Xingcai before he got cucked in DW8.

Wei never did anything wrong.

>>15615111

Depends on the difficulty and game. In WO3 they were aggressive on higher difficulties but with the right characters and weapon setups it didn't matter because you'd wreck the shit out of them and leech back any health lost, whereas in DW3 they would straight up rape the shit out of you if you weren't careful.

>>15616144

>Wei never did anything wrong.

My usual argument is

>They lost

>>15615812

You can somewhat blame that on the source material. RotTK makes Cao Cao out to be a villain, and Liu Bei out to be a hero. This is despite the fact that Liu Bei had his adopted son killed, the book tries to justify that, he repeatedly betrays lords that take him in, and on several occasions, acts like a indecisive little cunt. I thought that was something DW added, but no, he has several moments where he refuses to make a decision and one of his generals has to for him. This is in contrast to the other lords, who even if they leave it to a general, at least try to pretend they are on the same page.

And Wei fucked up in several respects. Cao Cao's double dealing got his son killed. Then his arrogance cost him his initial push into the southern parts of China and quite a few soldiers. Cao Pi then opened the way for the cunts of Jin to gain power. I am probably forgetting a lot, but those are the big ones that I can think of.

I'm only familiar with the Zelda and FotNS/HnK titles. Is there some kind of crash course for these games?

>>15617434

Maybe if Koei Canada had any new games after Troy.

WHAT KIND OF WARRIORS ARE YOU WISHFUL FOR???

Transformers Warriors

DC/MARVEL WARRIORS

PreCure Warriors

Pokemon Warriors

FGO WARRIORS

TMNT WARRIORS

RAMNA 1/2 WARRIORS

TENCHI MUYO WARRIORS

SHONEN JUMP WARRIORS

NINTENDO ALL STARS WARRIORS

>>15618165

But he wasn't a bad ruler. With Sima Yi's help he led Wei through it's longest and most stabilized era. It was his son Cao Rui that fucked shit up which ultimately led to Sima Zhao's decision to overthrow them.

>>15618126

Mitsudomoe Warriors. You can choose any of the school kids or their parents and fuck shit up at school, house, etc. Fatty sisters slams everyone with her fat ass and belly, the middle sister has tard strength and knows martial arts, and youngest could use her porn magazines. Their fat muscle father is the Lu Bu here, especially if you harm the girls or the girls make him angry.

>>15618126

Ironically, Transformers and Precure are always high on the list of wanted musous in japan but…

Fate Extella Link technically is FGO musou the way they add more and more FGO characters though.

>>15618283

Sir.

Wu and Wei are best kingdoms. Shu are cultists and Jin are cocksuckers. And Gan Ning should still be a raspy pirate with a sword instead of a visual kei faggot with lisp and a chainball.