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File: 127ffd9456cc120⋯.png (38.45 KB, 360x145, 72:29, MTG_Arena_Logo.png)

47cbb6  No.15538534

Should I invest my time or is it dead on arrival?

5294de  No.15538594

Just use XMage.


5294de  No.15538599

>>15538594

fuck forgot to turn off flag


be6e4c  No.15538614

>>15538594

You mean Cockatrice you stupid nigger


b09fa5  No.15538615

Treat it as DOA.

>No chat

>No friends list

>No playing with friends

It's a beta, but these seem like important features. At best, all you can do is go "I'M THINKING" and "GOOD GAME :)", or three other exciting chat commands. And if you make a deck that frustrates them, they'll just throw a tantrum and let their turn timers run out.

Oh and then don't forget it's moving all the shit behind a paywall as the other online games have done. Please don't support this bullshit


5aadf7  No.15538645

>>15538615

It's basically a copy of Pokemon TCG online then. You can at least have friends and challenge them directly in that game. All in all it was a good thing since it opened up a secondary market for people who who sold single cards since the boosters and theme decks came with codes for the online game. This helped them to recoup money and invest in more cards.

Unless MtG uses the same scheme Wizards is going to fuck over local game stores more than they have with their actions these past years.


b09fa5  No.15538658

>>15538645

>Unless MtG uses the same scheme Wizards is going to fuck over local game stores more than they have with their actions these past years.

Like making booster boxes directly buyable on Amazon at a discount?


01fec4  No.15538660

>>15538534

Don’t waste your time, nothing about it was interesting


5aadf7  No.15538663

>>15538658

Yeah and making the card quality so shitty that it's difficult to tell fakes from real ones.


b09fa5  No.15538667

File: 28ff092da9f9ba1⋯.png (81.96 KB, 204x221, 12:13, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15538663

>Always assumed the "quality of proxies" meant that the proxies were becoming such high quality

>It's actually the opposite, the cardstock is dropping so badly

WEW


5aadf7  No.15538675

>>15538667

It's both really. The only way to tell now is using a pick and trying to take off the little foil dot the cards come with. Of course you can't do this until you actually own the card which is a problem


2f6269  No.15538678

If you play this, prepare to have 10 planeswalkers shoved up your ass by paypigs whose decks consists of nothing but cheap removal, counterspells, and those planeswalkers.

If you absolutely must play MTG online, just use Cockatrice.


aa85c7  No.15538691

Do you want to give money to a company who officially attends gay pride parades and has a jew as lead developer?


51e5e0  No.15538708

I'd rather play Eternal


a04ce8  No.15538710

File: fa169dc32bf749a⋯.png (348.11 KB, 361x472, 361:472, Anger dogo.PNG)

>>15538534

No.

>Economy still not fixed.

>Animations for small things such as cracking treasures still take up the timer.

<Which is terrible when you play a combo deck that makes a shit-ton of them.

>Spyware was found in the program and to my knowledge hasn't been removed.

>No trading

>Drafts only on the weekend and not actual drafts.

>>15538615

>No chat

>No friends list

>No playing with friends

It's a beta and it's awful and unlikely to change. They have a minimal viable product and they won't improve it besides implementing new cards.


6bded7  No.15538716

>>15538710

>Spyware was found in the program and to my knowledge hasn't been removed.

redshell?


b09fa5  No.15538724

>>15538716

Ah, it runs on Unity, go figure


a04ce8  No.15538727

File: 7bab039b9657a15⋯.jpg (92.76 KB, 600x592, 75:74, 7bab039b9657a1555550591900….jpg)

>>15538716

>redshell?

yep. Apparently it's now gone. I'm still not touching that shit.


8678d3  No.15543091

File: 1d221541630bbd9⋯.jpg (32.22 KB, 410x620, 41:62, 1537964451119.jpg)

>>15538534

I just bite the bullet and installed it on a laptop from my workplace just because I couldn't resist the urge to play MTG after many years (dropped it way back after the Innistrad block; the last good block).

The game itself stutters a lot due to so many unnecessary animations on cards. I don't know if there's an option to deactivate them, because its really annoying and fucks with the pace of a match .

But the big one is right here >>15538678, there's a LOT of people who dumped money ON A FUCKING BETA. So many decks with cards pulled from paid boosters, and this beta was released only a few days ago. And of course, the whole in-game currency system is riddled like a fucking mobile game. I'll rather play gacha games than this.

One last thing, and its a little bit on the side of somebody who used to play a lot of MtG: the game checks your cards in your hand and automatically ends the turn in your second phase if you don't have any spells to cast, erasing any chance of "bluffing" your opponent.


6d8f02  No.15543101

File: 2ef9e08135e4fdc⋯.mp4 (4.27 MB, 720x720, 1:1, its a fuckin emu.mp4)

>>15538534

I'm enjoying it. Me and a few other Anons from here have been playing "together" in the sense we have been hanging out on voice chat playing it. Unfortunately you can't play with friends yet.


5aadf7  No.15543111

>>15543091

>The game itself stutters a lot due to so many unnecessary animations on cards.

Why even do this? Waste of budget and it only serves to slow down the game


186da8  No.15543133

>>15543111

Because they want the hearthstone crowd.


8678d3  No.15543138

>>15543111

If combo decks (Storm, Pyromancer Ascension, Splinter Twin, motherfucking Thopters) were already a bit of a pain in the ass to play against IRL, imagine in a game where you can't skip animations for each summoning/casting.

People would rather concede the game when the combo kicks in than staring at a screen for over 5 minutes.


8f0650  No.15543177

I really love Xmage, I haven't played it in a while because I haven't gotten the itch, but it's a lot of fun


3a72e5  No.15543465

File: d6d64ea7cb8c85b⋯.jpg (237.3 KB, 672x936, 28:39, Kamahl's Desire.jpg)

File: fbb4e00bee7aaf8⋯.jpg (66.42 KB, 312x445, 312:445, Buoyancy.jpg)

File: fe0a137ee859e02⋯.jpg (67.92 KB, 312x445, 312:445, Hakim, Loreweaver.jpg)

File: be0e1d326d534d4⋯.jpg (185.44 KB, 672x936, 28:39, Harsh Mentor.jpg)

File: 0c2a256119bdfd2⋯.jpg (44.49 KB, 265x370, 53:74, Fan Favorite.jpg)

>build a beta that will be subject to change, including UI elements and gameplay systems

>better make sure the credit card interface works :^)

I saw some gameplay the other day and, aside from the technical limitations like no friends list, insulting monetization, and so on, two things stood out to me:

>The game is breathtakingly ugly.

Magic's art has traditionally been beautiful, and eroded steadily since the inception of the modern card frame. Despite that, the sterile presentation of MTGA combined with cropped card art, gratuitous sound effects, and desperate attempts to make its planeswalkers the class analogues of Hearthstone and Shadowverse are a new low for the game. It's genuinely stupefying how people in charge of this much money chase after years-entrenched markets and think they'll uproot the player bases being fleeced by more friendly digital games.

Honestly, how fucking hard is it to accept a dominating position within a niche? MTG has always been the complicated, counterintuitive card game compared to its peers, and that complexity is what allowed it to thrive in a market threatened by Naturo and DBZ tie-ins.

>"Ranked" games are one-and-done

This is more odious to someone who's played a bunch of tournament MTG like me, but a single game doesn't mean ANYTHING. Getting beaten by a gimmicky aggro/combo deck is apparently just as valid as fighting for 20 minutes vs control or midrange. While I don't care to preserve the sanctity of a shitty game client, this is a huge problem for the game because it simply isn't meant to be played in iPad-sized segments. Wizards of the Coast isn't interested in presenting the game that defined a genre, it's presenting people an idea of what they think the game is like.

MTG's actual problem is the lack of a clear progression track for new players due to the variety of different formats and their utter lack of commonality. MTGA does nothing to fix that and will likely be dominated by a cabal of whales before official release anyway.

>>15538678

>decks consists of nothing but cheap removal, counterspells, and those planeswalkers

<baddy can't play against control decks

You can play creatures in your second main phase, dude.

>>15538710

>and to my knowledge hasn't been removed

They did remove it, after a couple weeks of trying to astroturf it on social media and pretending that the sale of personal data and IP addresses to "business partners" wasn't spyware. Don't forget the recent "Guilds of Ravnica: Mythic Edition" fiasco, which was a transparent excuse to print money and fuck non-collectors.


6d8f02  No.15543477

File: bb477a339d4d518⋯.jpg (67.39 KB, 375x523, 375:523, f767c72a6abf1f938ca65a7cdd….jpg)

>>15543465

>tournament player

Opinion discarded.


132fb6  No.15543497

>>15543465

Teferi is basically the second coming of Jace and UW control is arguably the best deck in standard, as well as UW decks going from pretty shit unplayable to marginally decent and maybe even good in modern due to that fucking cunt. I think even some Legacy decks tinker around with Teferi with mixed results. Basically he's another one of the "let's ruin standard for fucking YEARS" cards in the same vein as Gideon, Ally of White Knights, and he's already at $35-40 USD a copy, which is only going to continue increasing until he rotates out. Saying "dude just build an anti-control deck lol" isn't solving the problem that MTG gameplay largely revolves around rares and mythics being 80% of the non-lands in any given deck (and in most competiive decks, also a similar number of the lands to boot). Every single control deck is going to be slotting 2-4 copies of him without fail, because he is so fucking good there's little reason to run anything else in his slots.


57bba0  No.15543500

>>15543091

You can force it to stop on a phase so you can bluff still. Not defending the game but that criticism at least isn't as valid.


228b12  No.15543537

File: 550a958589ff4f7⋯.jpg (54.52 KB, 600x600, 1:1, icon.jpg)

>Playing virtual card games

>Playing the game even in real life, where you constantly have to be a good paypig and have your wallet raped by Wizards of the Coast every time they put out a new set or enjoy losing to other paypigs at your local tournaments


b09fa5  No.15543569

>>15543465

I heard somewhere that MTGO and other digital sales were something between 42 and 53% of their revenue. Not sure how accurate that is.

I'm also frustrated at the shoehorned diversity, power card quality, and weak power level on cards. Assassin's Trophy only hits opponent's shit because they didn't want you to accidentally yournown permanents in MTGA according to Maro

Yes, they purposely made a card less flexible because their shitty new product didn't streamline it enough. It's baffling.


dba96a  No.15543582

>>15543465

There's a reason Yu-Gi-Oh has an ongoing thread on here that been on for like a year and MTG doesn't. And it isn't because MTG made good desicions. And it'd be killer if there were other card games out there.


a97e91  No.15543638

>>15543537

>>where you constantly have to be a good paypig and have your wallet raped by Wizards of the Coast every time they put out a new set

>playing standard

>>15543111

The whole thing is so they can push players to online because they have gotten to the point where they hate their community and actually making cards. There is a reason why they have been raping the lore reworking the lore and creating unoriginal sets like yet another stupid fucking Ravnica block making new sets based on fan favorite settings to appeal to the more plebian segment of their playerbase for a while now.


58567f  No.15543681

>>15543537

>Not using Magic Forge to play against AI for free

>Not using Cockatrice to play against people for free


5aadf7  No.15543698

>>15543638

>Push players to online

That's dumb. There are players who will never play online and players who will never play offline. You need to cater to both. Pokemon did this right by forcing online players to use codes from physical boosters and theme decks which allowed card collectors and resellers to recoup 15-30% of their purchases while letting online players get loads of cards for pocket money. What MtG is doing will make them lose money overall especially when you consider the availability of third party programs that let you play for free.


17b22a  No.15543708

File: 3ac1da2adee8609⋯.jpg (12.01 KB, 300x300, 1:1, 07-1n018-historicdocs2-300….jpg)

is dis nigga srs?


b09fa5  No.15543711

>>15543698

If you collect a full playset you can have it transferred into physical cards for $25 plus shipping


d0b578  No.15543760

What about Gwent and Shadowverse?

I was trying both just recently, but it seems Gwent (great art) is doing a full card wipe later in the month for Homecoming, is seen as a bit of a clusterfuck design-wise and will get stuck with horrible 3D arenas, and Shadowverse (good art) is run by swindling Koreans and feels oppressively like it tries to addict you at every turn.


773bf1  No.15543779

>Giving money to wizards of the poz

Please do not do that. Speaking of card games, what happened to hex? I had fun with the spider deck during beta(?) I think.


5d5452  No.15543884

Eternal is a better CCG.


ea24b9  No.15543976

Magic has not been good since before they removed mana burn. Prove me wrong


83591f  No.15544055

File: 7f1af48f143ff25⋯.png (498.28 KB, 640x360, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 059b3570b8ff90c⋯.png (1.57 MB, 1280x719, 1280:719, ClipboardImage.png)

HEY GUYS, CAN I JOIN THE PARTY TOO?


5aadf7  No.15546182

>>15543711

That makes it even worse for sellers.


165942  No.15546476

>>15543760

>Gwent

It's not a card-wipe, you'll get full crafting mats for every single card and the arenas look fine.

They are changing a lot of stuff, if that's what you mean with the clusterfuck.


0a3ba8  No.15546477

File: f8ef32eca3fe966⋯.png (1.03 MB, 652x916, 163:229, kreshchad.png)

>>15544055

this game is cool but its dead

I enjoy arena as someone who isnt autistic enough to play mtgo, and too lazy to do everything myself on cockatrice, although I love cockatrice as a deckbuilding/database tool and regularly use it when brewing for commander.


0bd357  No.15546494

File: 78a747789a13a1f⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 499.76 KB, 500x676, 125:169, 1327874179866.png)

>>15543569

>they purposely made a card less flexible because their shitty new product didn't streamline it enough

Fuck me up the ass. I was wondering why so many new cards only mention opponent stuff. Sacrifice decks and some tricks depend on that, total bullshit. Maybe you want to blow up one of your own tokens to get a land. Man that makes me mad.


b09fa5  No.15546516

>>15546494

Right? I've had games where my modern dredge deck stumbled and gets color screwed because I don't have all the shocks I need and used the Ghost Quarters it had for mana fixing


83b064  No.15548637

>>15538534

>Should I invest my time or is it dead on arrival?

After 20+ years of computer game failures, I'm not sure why you are at all hopeful that THIS will somehow be the one app to turn that all around. And this one has so many warning signs around it(rumors of beta opening hands being fixed/not truly random draws, spyware, shit functionality, likelihood of a half-assed product being shipped & never improved, the last few games being utterly abandoned & shit to begin with, etc)

Blizzard takes forever to make copycat games, and they STILL got a game that shits all over Magic in the mobile space out before WOTC. Pathetic.


20d148  No.15554807

File: 3e8b035a70a1703⋯.jpg (101.59 KB, 640x640, 1:1, 3e8b035a70a1703d4af9ebd968….jpg)

You won't actually face most meta decks on this game until you are gold rank or higher. Bronze and silver consist almost entirely of people playing starter decks and jank.(6+ month CB tester here)

The closest thing to meta you will face early on are budget dimir decks which get their shit pushed in (easily) by at least 5 of the free starter decks (you get 15 decks for free)

Most of arena's detractors are MTGO boomers who have sunk hundreds of dollars into that game and only want to play retarded meme formats.


aada50  No.15561381

>>15543976

Magic was never good.


f5dad8  No.15569717

>>15538534

Get TTS and play real Magic.


fd5ad2  No.15569737

>>15538614

>>15538594

Cockatrice is gay. Xmage a broke.

Forge is where it's at.


a04ce8  No.15569927

File: 5ae923ad5952f70⋯.jpg (98.96 KB, 736x981, 736:981, welp.jpg)

File: e44f55059926830⋯.jpg (107.24 KB, 722x960, 361:480, WElp2.jpg)

>>15543569

>accidentally yournown permanents in MTGA according to Maro

I want to die.

>>15543465

> Don't forget the recent "Guilds of Ravnica: Mythic Edition" fiasco, which was a transparent excuse to print money and fuck non-collectors.

I was trying to keep it to Arena. Listing all the mistakes of WOTC over the past 5 years would require a college thesis.


2bc611  No.15575362

MTGO is better. Only idiots and poor people play Arena. Besides, Arena only has Standard and limited, the kiddie pool of Magic. On MTGO, you get Modern, Pauper and Legacy.

.


d0b578  No.15575459

I stopped playing and deleted, after a few days of play.

Card art - which is surprisingly bad a lot of the time - is just an endless stream of black angels, black female pirates, and white vampire conquistadors. It's truly embarrassing how much this game oozes handsome muscular negroes from every pore. The Jew who designs this apparently can't conceive of a plane not dominated by diversity hires.

What was I thinking? When a game's designers think it is their business to slowly chip away at the sanity of players rather than create an enjoyable experience, or even just gently empty player wallets, it's time to get out.

Sunk costs: $5… no big deal. Will give Homecoming and Artifact a try instead, both seem to be unpozzed. Interestingly, Homecoming's reception after the PTR seems to have gone 180 degrees from negative to extremely positive, and CDPR's business practices are good so this seems hopeful.


95ba0a  No.15584706

>>15538594

What is cockatrice?


dfc257  No.15585291

>>15584706

It's a mythical creature.


3579ad  No.15585302

>>15575459

>He spent $5 into it

Help.


3579ad  No.15585324

File: d68ae7d13f3ecb1⋯.jpg (58.2 KB, 582x761, 582:761, DeEpmecXcAAHBaU.jpg)

>>15543884

I like that they made their Zhalfirin Void clones playable but its still a card game with a land system on the deck.

Even worse is that I can't get decent draw options in my decks, while MtG has been getting some options for Red and White lately. Since you have 75 cards in a deck that means I get mana screwed/flooded more often than I am in MtG.

Shadowverse is usually regarded as a meme game by me but they've added control cards in the last expansion which makes me wonder if they're viable now. Probably not.


b09fa5  No.15585366

File: 968e4e367997116⋯.png (246.51 KB, 969x572, 969:572, ClipboardImage.png)

pls give feedback on my paper standard deck

>traded for a set of experimental frenzy

>not as fun as i thought

>lol UR spellslinger like in modern


48f9a9  No.15586726

>>15584706

the 3 penis man


51e5e0  No.15586746

>>15585324

Not sure what your lack of draw problem is, unless you are playing stuff like Rakano or Argenport where that is supposed to be a specific weakness since one is a fast aggro and the other uses weapons and revenge shenanigans for extra advantage instead.

Time and Primal have plenty of draw built in, and there is still some specific draws in the other colors like the oni weaponmaster where you draw a card every time you play a weapon, or devour, (an amazing card since it blocks siliencing to bring back later, gives CA, is instant speed for blocking and saccing, and more when combined with Revenge).

If playing something like mono Fire, they should be dead before it’s a problem like RDW in magic.

In other words, get good and read the fucking cards.


3f0b44  No.15586816

File: b471dc5f4efe35a⋯.webm (10.45 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, hwndu gondola.webm)

>get into mtg in the first set of theros block

>make a shitty simic heroic deck out of the limited options

>end up slamming the fug out of desecration demon and abrupt decay because artisan of forms lets me clone things after swinging or getting more +1/+1 counters on it and hexproof all of the day bro because of u/g

>clearly piss off a b/g netdecker when I win 2 to 1 against him at my first fnm

>he didn't understand that abrupt decay's "cannot be countered" clause couldn't stop it from being fizzled by hexproof

>he messed up and lost the last gamr because of a mutavault misplay

>this deck is trash but i still get to play it in multiplayer with some enhancements from older sets like vines and a gimmicky card like sway of illusion while not violating the general "don't tread on me" feeling of the deck with sudden ohko's

Ah, pride before the fall I suppose. At least I had xmage after I realized just how bad my deck was in 1v1, and I stopped spending money (and I didn't spend that much) soon after.


11cd01  No.15587785

>>15586746

>get good

Only bad players draw 4 sigils in a row after all :^)


037e04  No.15590058

>>15543582

too bad Yugioh has been shit since links


b09fa5  No.15590077

>>15586816

>>he didn't understand that abrupt decay's "cannot be countered" clause couldn't stop it from being fizzled by hexproof

If the creature already had Hexproof, Abrupt Decay can not be put on the stack targeting it, since it would be an invalid target. Of course, if you did give it Hexproof in response to being targeted then yes, it would fizzle.


a7043e  No.15590092

doa. play artifact


3a84c8  No.15597442

>>15590058

yugioh was always shit for animekids


a04ce8  No.15597636

>>15586816

> in the first set of theros block.

Fucking everyone and their mother seems to get into magic around then. It's a shame because you guys got whiplashed so bad by one of the best standard formats and drafts(khans 4 color decks and so many other fucking variants) to the worst(Battle For Zendikar,Shadoes, and Kaladesh leading to the first standard bannings since Jace and Stoneforge).

Missed recession era magic too. fucking Mirrodin to Innistrad felt like chaining golden eras.

>>15590092

Richard Garefield's working on it. So we can all play it for a couple years before someone comes along and ruins another one of his creations.


b09fa5  No.15597654

>>15597636

I started in Invasion, but only understood the game with Onslaught in Grade 8. I played casually until Ravnica and Lorwyn, then took a break, picked up around Alara/Zendikar, and played again for a year or two, then got back into it more heavily last year

Still no idea what I'm playing for Standard


aa770f  No.15597675

File: 9bbf8b3b769a3eb⋯.jpg (115.37 KB, 944x750, 472:375, DDNmzDZU0AE-aiQ.jpg)

>>15538534

Don't support WotC and their pozzed faggotry.


f5dad8  No.15598095

>>15597675

There's such a thing as non-pozzed faggotry?


c60140  No.15601184

>>15585366

"Spellslinger" is not an archetype in competitive constructed. Your deck currently is either a tempo deck without good interaction or an aggro deck with too many moving parts to be efficient. I would recommend looking for good u/r lists on mtgtop8.


3cba55  No.15601202

File: 133b63f39328e1c⋯.jpg (29.48 KB, 303x442, 303:442, 133b63f39328e1ca4376638e4c….jpg)

>>15597675

Elves? yes,

Dragons? not a chance.

Go indoctrinate male cobalts, they are shit otherwise.


388c11  No.15601219

File: db29c22accb7d97⋯.png (94.29 KB, 1600x1010, 160:101, db29c22accb7d970728414bcb4….png)

>>15601202

>allowing knifeears to live




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