/v/ - Video Games

i want to fug the bat uwu

>>15512836

>zoomers now think post-2000 sonic was ever good

>>15512841

>>>/vfur/

>>15512836

sage

>>15512855

>sage is a downvote

Back to reddit.

>>15512836

>terrible load times

>bland hub worlds

>furryshit storyline

It sucked.

Something like Sonic Generations is 6/10 at best. What the fuck are you baiting smoking?

>if I lower my standards its actually great

I know nothing about this game OP but you're a faggot cuck

>>15512900

>I know nothing about this game

Then why bother posting?

>>15512889

>terrible load times

True.

>bland hub worlds

The level design in general is at worst serviceable and often genuinely enjoyable.

>furryshit storyline

Who cares about story in a Sonic game. Are you autistic?

You're also forgetting things like the great soundtrack and level variety + different gameplay styles for different characters that kept things fresh.

>boomers think sonic was ever good

>>15512923

>Sonic Mania was my first Sonic game!!!

>>15512836

I liked Silver in a non-sexual way.

>>15512906

because of the general principle of your statement being retarded

>>15512836

Forgot to put this in the OP: it's also loads better than Boom and I liked Silver in a non-sexual way.

Codemonkey let me post.

>>15512938

A 6/10 game is perfectly playable. Something you'll play once then drop to fill up some time. That's a world away from worst game in the series.

>6/10

Did you forget to put a point in front of the 6? As in .6/10?

>>15512941

>I liked Silver in a non-sexual way.

If you wanted sonic porn you should have asked properly.

>>15512836

The first stage was okay. The rest sucked.

>>15512889

So minus the load times it's just Sonic Adventure 3?

>>15512847

Why did you link back to us?

>>15513009

There are people that don't use coloured IDs?

Are you from cuckchan's /vg/ sonic general? >>>/fast/ has received refugees from there.

>>15513009

What the hell are you even talking about?

>>15513024

There are also people who don't use the dark theme.

watch as this thread slowly gets up to at least 200 replies

>>15513024

>>15513142

>>15513146

Anyone who doesn't use colored IDs and the Yotsuba theme are just hatechan originalfag holdovers who don't want their site to look like 4chan.

>>15513227

>Yotsuba theme

No thanks, I would like the keep my eyesight. Dark Theme or bust.

>>15512836

Bestiality, so it is completely shit because of it.

>6/10

Now, you are very wrong

>>15513311

I remember Heroes being decent, what's up with it? Granted I last played a decade ago.

>>15513722

Other than debatably finnicky rail controls, nothing.

>>15514013

Mark nobody thinks you're attractive. Stop posting your own flesh

>>15514104

I think he's attractive. I'd love to be his sugar daddy.

>>15514111

Fuck off marl

Everyone calls 06 broken, but I beat it at least 5 times back then, sure you can break the game if you do it deliberately, but I never really encountered things when just playing normally that made it unplayable, save for Silver being able to stunlock you, but that boss is easy as shit anyway.

The only reason i'm not playing 06 now a days is the god awful loading times, but there are some guys remaking the game in unity, and when that finishes it will fix the loading times, i'd be fine with playing it again.

That being said, i'm not going to tell anyone 06 is actually a great game, the criticisms leveled against it are all justified for the most part, I just don't give a shit about any of those Criticisms Save for the romance (I don't know what the hell was up with that) The main reason I like Sonic 06 is it's ambition rather then it's execution, I appreciate what they were going for with having 3 campaigns suited to each character.

and TBH I'm a huge Shadow fag, and 06 is pretty much the best Shadow has been since adventure 2.

>>15514127

I am marl and proud.

>>15514147

Mods are gone.

>>15512844

>cuckchanners now think its ok to live

>>15512844

sonic heroes was good at the start

>>15514936

06 at least is entertainingly bad which sets it apart from Forces for example, which is as boring as it is mediocre.

This game barely fucking functioned. It was one degree above Big Rigs or Road to Redemption. How could you ever make the argument that this game is not shit?

>>15514936

Sounds like Skyrim.

>>15515155

Skyrim isn't predictable. Things can go wrong when they never have before, or never go wrong when they used to. Skyrim will ctd at a seemingly random point, then not ctd under the same conditions. For how broken it is, '06 is commendable being near uncrashable. It also won't eventually render saves unusable, unlike the ps3 port of Skyrim.

>>15515177

>It also won't eventually render saves unusable, unlike the ps3 port of Skyrim.

All versions of Skyrim eventually render saves unstable and unusable. Even recent switch version.

>>15515213

Xenoblade 2 is NOT a good image to use to react to a shitty game.

>>15515231

Because faggots like OP never fucking learn.

>>15515277

>how dare you not make two posts in a row

This could have legitimately been a 6/10 if it didn't get fucking forced out as a buggy tech demo shipped to retailers.

>>15515883

yeah, but they had to ship it in time for Sonic's anniversary, and also have a bunch of different characters and vehicles for … some reason. who has time to confirm basic playability

>>15514226

The Dreamcast version was probably the only decent version of it. It's not as groundbreaking in gameplay and has some flaws, but it has beautiful art and atmosphere that aged well but got flushed by the DX ports. I'd recommend getting the PC version then the Dreamcast mods, along with the character select and physics mod. With these, it brings up the quality of the game a whole lot more.

Terrible bait.

* Buggy as fuck, causing you to randomly fall through the floor, or become stuck in a wall, or occasionally, fall into a pit and not die so you had to restart

* Broken camera, making it impossible to see half the fucking time

* Abysmal load times

* Shit controls, even for 3D Sonic standards

>>15517560

And I forgot to sage like a fucking retard. Goddamn it.

>>15517561

Why did you sage?

>>15517565

Because I was responding to the retarded baiting OP instead of contributing to good vidya discussion.

>>15513722

i didn't like the fact you had to switch characters for some sections which killed the tempo, knuckles wasn't too bad but tails who i love slowed the game to a halt

>>15517580

>faggots still give you shit for this because "muh downboat"

<<15515674

>completely missing the point

>bumping

Fuck you, you don't deserve a (You) for that you inbred mongoloid.

It's at the same level as lost world, trading lost world's blandly accurate platforming for something more interesting, but glitchier. 3D sonic never controlled better than in sonic adventure 1.

>>15514226

>Sonic accelerates from 1-100 in like 2 seconds which makes the useless hub worlds absolutely awful to traverse

That sounds more like a "I'm bad at sonic games issue" than a "Sonic Adventure is bad" issue. I mean maybe you kinda have a point with sonic's wallslam animation, but isn't that only if you're top speed spindashing into a wall?

>>15514226

I never understood why people liked this game. It had shitty controls and bad levels when I was 10, and still has shitty controls and bad levels when I'm 25. Is it the laughably cheesy music? The 2kewl4skewl redesign and change in direction? What's appealing about this shit?

>>15518858

Because you didn't get into it from the Sonic SatAM cartoon. Gameplay means nothing to those guys, they just want the "deep" story.

>>15518624

Not really. The speed is an issue in all of these 3D games. They played up the "fastest thing alive" thing way to much. Add the fact that you're in an enclosed space and not a track designed for running straight ahead and it gets pretty annoying real fast.

As-is, it's 2/10 at-best.

Without the bugs and load times, it would be 5/10.

Without the retarded story it would be 6/10.

It's a really bad game that severely-rushed, and it deserves the reputation it has. End of story.

>>15514226

It was neat at the time, and I like the dopey, colorful visual style it has that's like a middle-ground between N64 and PS2.

But yeah, a lot of the levels have aged poorly beside Sonic, Tail's, and Gamma's, and fuck Big the Cat's fishing levels especially.

flat cat > fat bat

>>15513244

Most 3D Sonic games are fine. Only maybe two of them are actually bad games.

What they aren't is anything like 2D Sonic, so you wont be happy if that's what you want.

>>15519671

Dragon quest dix is shit too, faggot

>>15519097

>TORnigger being completely wrong

wow how could this possibly happen

>>15519971

Nigga, the game was shit and the only reason retards liked it was because "muh story" and "muh Gamma" and the chao. And Sonic going too fast is probably the biggest gameplay problem. You either get an easy level that amounts to "hold forward to win" or a level that is hampered by the speed because you need to think or make precise movements. Sonic was fine with the speed he had in the original games, fast enough to look cool when you breeze through it, but slow enough to let you actually do something if you needed to.

>>15520076

They definitely had shit to work out, but it's decent for a first attempt. I don't remember having any trouble controlling Sonic though.

>>15513244

I know this is supposed to be an insult but it never comes across as detrimental. Every time "30 yo boomer" is brought up they're shown having a good time. If anything, it seems millennials are jealous of them.

>>15520120

Cortala, chilote.

>>15520095

I actually liked it Still it was pretty shit. The game glitches and the levels are pretty easy with the "hold forward to win" thing I was talking about. Big the Cat sucked, the hub worlds were pointless, and Tails was just redoing the Sonic levels. The latter is a major gripe because making me repeat levels and calling it progress is lazy, annoying and tedious. But I think the worst part is that Adventure 2 fixed most of these issues/improved from the original and it was still not that good. I just don't feel like I'm playing a Sonic game ever since Adventure. More like I was on a roller coaster ride or trying to debug it.

>>15520125

Igual no me esperaba que esos memes de mierda llegaran tan rápido

>>15520120

HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE

Naw man. I think a lot of the hate it gets is annoying because it's from people who didn't actually play the game picking on things that aren't actually big problems, while ignoring actual big problems the game does have. That said, it's by far the worst mainline Sonic game.

Sonic '06's biggest tragedy is that there is the core of a good game in there. If it were completed, I'm convinced it would have been the best 3D Sonic game. But what was released was an alpha prototype, released in such a rushed state that they didn't even have time to dummy out unfinished elements, like the Gems that Sonic can get, even though the meter that powers the gems doesn't work properly for Sonic, meaning he gets unlimited Gem powers and they completely break the game. Nobody ever talks about this even though it's obviously the biggest problem with the game. Also, nobody mentions the loading being absolutely ridiculous, with long ass loading screens just to load an NPC who you were already talking to asking you a yes/no question, and either answer then leads to another loading screen. It makes the side-missions in the Town Stages completely unplayable, even though there is seemingly a lot of content there, if you could suffer through the loading screens. AVGN is one of the only people I've ever seen complain about the loading screens, including people on /v/, and that's only because he doesn't understand the internet or new video games, so he doesn't watch Game Grumps and then just parrot what they say without having played the game. And the Sonic '06 episode is still the worst thing he's ever made.

Not that the Town Stage missions would be good if the loading for them wasn't unbearable. The Town Stages are barren and lifeless. Meanwhile, Sonic Adventure in 1998 did a great job with the equivalent Adventure Fields, despite being the first 3D Sonic game, on much less powerful hardware. But of course it all comes down to details, and Sonic '06 was too rushed to pay attention to anything that could be considered a detail.

It looks like it was trying to be Sonic Adventure 3, and it has all the makings of a good one. But it's an alpha prototype that squandered all the potential.

>>15527124

>It looks like it was trying to be Sonic Adventure 3, and it has all the makings of a good one.

Doesn't even have a fucking chao garden.

>>15519671

DQ11 isn't shitty you fucking dumb fuck.

>>15519943

You're shit and you need to kill yourself.

I mean it, fucking die.

>>15512836

>but it's 6/10 at worst. By 3D Sonic standards that's actually pretty great.

Dubs

>>15527129

I'm sorry. I spent tons of time in the Chao Garden when those games were new. Now when I replay them though, the Chao are a chore. I want to get Ranks in multiple missions in the Action Stages, and I also enjoy exploring the Adventure Fields as long as they're well designed and have a good amount of content. But the Chao end up being something I'm forced to do at the end if I want 100%.

None of the 3D Sonics even reach 6/10 let alone the worst of them.

>>15527133

Okay, I'll level with you. It's still LESS shitty than X2

>>15527185

Sonic Adventure 2 is great. I'm convinced that a lot of people miss the true greatness of the game because it's all in getting high ranks and completing the extra missions. Story Mode is basically only practice, but if you only bother with the story and nothing else, you could end up feeling the game is much, much more shallow than it is.

Adventure 1 lacks all that, and the level design isn't nearly as good, but the open world segments are surprisingly detailed if you really bother to explore and interact with the NPCs, and the way the story is presented is neat. The basics of how Sonic should move in 3D are there, but the level design doesn't take advantage of it as much as it could have, and it took until the sequel to rectify that.

yes its that terrible.

Granted, its only bad in the "buggy unfinished mess on top of it being a shit game with a shit story", and not the modern terrible of "buggy unfinished mess on top of it being a shit game with a shit story, and its filled with leftist propaganda".

At absolute best its a 3/10, and that is only because modern games have retroactively lowered the bar even further.

>>15512836

Actually replay the game, come back to this thread, and think about how wrong you were for making this thread. There's absolutely no redeeming quality about this game beyond the soundtrack, but the only bad sonic soundtrack is Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood, so basically the only props I can give sonic 06 is that it showed up and was a sonic game.

>>15520120

>>>/hisparafuego/

>>15512836

>ps3 being the worst port

>LONG LOAD TIMES and BAD PERFORMANCE

It would have been haha funny bad but it borders close to being very BAD,

>>15512841

>not itty bitty kitty titties

>not loli rabbit

>not shota fox

shit taste lmao

>>15513300

but was this scene canon? is the sonic in sonic boom really just some sonic autist?

>>15513311

>r

>controller

>>15515102

sometimes the weird shitty movement just feels right and a shitty game starts to grow on you, it's happened to me with some budget games

>>15512836

>Was it really that terrible?

Yes. I think other anons laid out how terrible it was already, with it's abysmal loading screen times, various glitches and bugs that basically broke the game, slowdown and fucked up collision physics (along with the physics in general) so I won't go into detail about how bad it was. But it was bad. I'll say this: it's "so bad it's kinda good" in the sense that there are so many glitches that if you stop giving a shit about finishing the game and try to look for more you'll find them and exploit the shit out of them, and you can get some enjoyment out of that (not if you bought it on launch though), but in that sense it's like The Room, a 1-2/10 that's only really enjoyable if you sit down and watch and wonder how the developers could fuck up something so simple.

It's awful, but play it with a friend and you'll both be laughing and crying and screaming at each other in frustration. It's a surreal experience. You play it the same reason you watch bad movies. It's lame and sad to play alone, but with some buddies it's great to take the piss out of.

>>15532052

Repeating the same opinion doesn't mean shit all.

>>15532494

>Repeating the same opinion

Except it's not. It is objective fact that this game is shit and so is this thread.

Fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from already you double deluxe nigger.

>>15512995

This board is not for furries.

>>15513722

i think it had to do with Rail Canyon and the mandatory completionist shit you have to do in Heroes to fight Neo Metal Sonic

>>15514291

Gamma was brought back in Battle as Chaos Gamma

and the comics justified his untold ending by Omega killing him and Chaos Gamma uploading his data to him beforehand

>Was it really that terrible?

As a game? Remove the vomit inducing human hedgehog romance plot and it could have easily become SA3, but the fact that the game had absolutely no quality testing, is at times completely unplayable due to bugs and glitches, has one of the most horrific loading times ever seen in a video game and has game features that were never completed but also never removed (ability gems) is what killed whatever chance that game had.

Also, entire budget went into the opening cinematic i guess.

It's unironically worse than E.T. 2600 and Superman 64, the conventional memes for "worst game ever!" In Superman 64 and ET you were just either confused or bored as fuck. Sonic '06 is infuriating because you're bored as fuck on rails most of the time but then you get so many seemingly pointless load screens that go on forever making it way more of a chore to finish. The only things that I would say make it slightly better than the aforementioned bad games is that it does have retarded characters and dialogue you can laugh at. Its an interesting case study "What if a AA studio tried to make a game with no quality assurance department?" Because that's exactly what Sonic 06 was. A game with AA studio higher budget mindsets made with no quality assurance department because they cut them out for budget and time reasons.

>>15514226

Yes, because it had this song

>>15537055

SA1 is super comfy.

I've defended some shit. I've gone to bat passionately for Haze, Mindjack, Inversion and many others.

Sonic 06 doesn't even really work. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell a game that doesn't function. A lot of games with issues get memed on undeservedly, but it is 100% earned in this case.

>>15513227

I don't like colored IDs. They're distracting visually in most themes.

>>15537237

06 functions on a fundamental level, just poorly so. The whole game can go without crashing or deleted saves on a single playthrough but you'll see a lot of shit and bad physics throughout.

>>15512923

and Sonic never ate chili dogs

>>15512917

>Who cares about story in a Sonic game

The developers obviously, half the 'gameplay' is running around doing stupid non sonic shit for the purpose of the plot.

>>15532052

I remember when I recolored that HM2 pic.

Can't believe people are still posting it. Makes me chuckle every time I see it.

>>15519646

The only thing I remember about the Big the Cat levels was that I managed to fish froggy out of Chaos in 2 seconds and that pissed him off so much he carried on attacking me during the results screen and I died.

>>15537055

Good taste.

The loading times alone drop it down 5 points at least

>>15512844

Heroes was dope

>>15544284

If you mean a habit that seemed fun at first but gets boring really quick and drags on forever until you question why you started it in the first place, but you still have to keep coming back, yes. Heroes is dope.

>>15544183

I wish Remedy never replaced Sam Lake as Max Payne's model. They could keep all of the other professional changed they made to the presentation of Max Payne 2 but Sam should have stayed.

>>15544284

If they removed team rose, which was insultingly easy to play, the game would have been great.

that theme song tho

>>15545072

Team Rose was supposed to be easy mode. The problem is that it forced you to play it.

>>15544652

Agreed. I hate that they replaced Sam

If you vored Sonic could it be called having fast food?

>>15547734

Vore is a shit fetish.

>>15513722

SA - same levels, different character = game mode

SA2 - same game modes, different levels

SH - same levels, same game mode

The game expects you to finish story mode four times to get the Super Sonic campaign, and it's nowhere near good enough to warrant more than a second.

>>15545103

The problem was making the different teams glorified difficulty settings. If each mode is functionally the same as the last, then there's no reason play any team besides Team Sonic, because nobody buys a Sonic game to play as Sonic's friends unless you're one of those freaks obsessed with Rouge .

>>15536594

>Gamma was brought back in Battle as Chaos Gamma

Battle is very clear that the character who looks like Gamma, and is sometimes mistaken for Gamma by other characters, is in fact not Gamma, but just another robot that looks similar.

The way the comics handled Gamma and Omega was dumb. What they should have done, if they wanted there to be any connection, is have Gamma, the bird that was inside Gamma, become Omega's sidekick, the same way Birdie was Amy's sidekick in Adventure. And when Omega isn't on a mission of something, he lives out in the Mystic Ruins or on Flicky's Island or whatever with Gamma, Beta, and Birdie.

>>15538129

He does in Unleashed though. Adaptations and localizations still don't count.

>>15560172

>The game expects you to finish story mode four times to get the Super Sonic campaign, and it's nowhere near good enough to warrant more than a second.

To be fair, Team Chaotix is sorta different. If I were going to complain, I'd say that the regular mode (Team Sonic) is too easy for the game to have any point in an Easy Mode (Team Rose). You say it's pointless to play as anyone but Team Sonic, but I'd say Team Dark and Team Chaotix are more worth it. Also, of course when everyone starts playing, they're going to start with Sonic, not Amy. But then Amy is easy mode, so they basically expect you to play Normal Mode before Easy Mode, or at least that's what ends up happening. The saving grace is that Easy Mode is so Easy and Short that it's almost trivial. You can use it as an excuse to get a couple easy Emeralds.

The extra challenges are also alright, but not good enough for me to ever actually bother unlocking Super Hard Mode. They aren't nearly as good as Adventure 2.

>>15560172

>unless you're one of those freaks obsessed with Rouge .

What's wrong with that?

>>15514226

People fucking love SA1 for some reason, but SA2 is objectively better in every way. Not to say SA2 is amazing but it's way fucking better.

>>15512836

It's an unfinished game sold at retail price. You could argue that the modded pc version may get a higher grade, but it will forever be tainted with being the son of a bad business practice.

>>15512889

>>15513300

>>15514135

>>15514536

>>15515102

>>15515213

>>15517560

>>15519613

>>15527124

One of these does not fit.

>>15564511

There are mods for this shitpile? Who even would have that much autism.

>>15570063

>There are mods for this shitpile?

Well that anon was referring to the Unity PC remake that some fans are working on.

but there actually are mods for the 360/PS3 version

>Who even would have that much autism

Well this is the Sonic Fanbase were talking about here.

>>15512836

>Was it really that terrible? I know it was a let down but it's 6/10 at worst.

>By 3D Sonic standards that's actually pretty great.

I'm surprised a bait thread this obvious has gotten over 150 replies.

>>15570337

>unity

Never mind then.

>360/PS3

Interested now.

>both replies to me are double dubs

Does this mean they're partially mine?

>>15561122

>To be fair, Team Chaotix is sorta different

Team Chaotix would be fine if there was more variety, but as it stands, they're just the extra missions from SA2 condensed into a story campaign.

>You say it's pointless to play as anyone but Team Sonic, but I'd say Team Dark and Team Chaotix are more worth it

They're worth playing if you enjoyed the game and wanted to do a second run, but there's no reason outside of that. You're just playing the same levels in the same way. They should have just asked what difficulty you wanted after picking a team and put more effort into making the teams more unique in playstyle.

>>15564400

>being obsessed with a furry

>being obsessed with a manipulative whore

There's nothing wrong with appreciating tits, but that's where you should draw the line.

>>15570109

>sales matter

Nigger, you just posted Neptunia, I dont even want to hear your tainted opinion about what makes a good JRPG.

>>15578620

why do you keep bumping this thread

>>15570960

>he doesn't like neptunia

Goon.

>>15570927

I never said I'd marry her.

>>15512836

Just play mania

>>15578745

That's where I first played Sonic Adventure. But it was Australia.

>>15528413

>There's absolutely no redeeming quality about this game beyond the soundtrack

Naw. It has plenty of good ideas but bad execution. Like they finally gave people what they wanted and gave you Knuckles in linear stages. Would have been good if the game wasn't rushed to death.

>>15564498

SA1 has better presentation and I can see the charm in the adventure elements. I agree that 2 is much better overall, though. It improves on everything it keeps, and removes elements that aren't as important. But I can understand some people liking those elements that were removed.

>>15578620

I recognize that Bulge. Tails dressed as Rouge picture.

>>15591267

Faggot.

>>15591104

This. Mania is the only post-genesis game worth mentioning.

>>15512841

do not uwu here

no uwu area

>>15512836

it had way too many glitches for it to be good .

I can't wait until this thread dies

>>15602556

Tranny fetishists need to leave.

>>15591104

>>15602516

Mania is great but it's not 3D.

>>15605189

>shota

Shota is a poor man's loli.

>>15605189

>>15561122

He was being sarcastic, saying that if Sonic was never good, then Sonic has never eaten a chili-dog, either.

Stop bumping this shit thread you niggers

>>15605189

The Sonic from the comics is a different guy than the one from the games. They're not the same universe, and especially the Archie comics have an extremely different continuity.

>>15610346

Of course, but game Sonic never ate chili dogs, so he's accidentally implying that the games were never good, when he clearly meant to say that they were.

>>15612200

No.

>>15612547

He eats them in Unleashed and I'm pretty sure that's it. Unleashed is also the game where they stopped caring about actually being like the original games in either gameplay or story and started catering to fake fans who never liked the games in the first place, resulting in "GOTTA GO FAST" instead of momentum based gameplay.

Chili dogs are for casuals.

>>15612668

>He eats them in Unleashed and I'm pretty sure that's it.

Dude, you're replying to a post with screenshots of Sonic eating chili-dogs in three separate games.

>>15612673

Oh really? Didn't read the filename on that first one. What game is the third one from? Also, Black Knight is a spinoff so fuck it. Might as well say Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog is canon because of Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine.

>>15612696

Third is from Generations. Secret Rings is directly referenced by Sonic in Generations, so there's no reason to believe Black Knight is somehow non-canon.

>>15612727

You're right. I'm not trying to be literal here. But my point stands that Unleashed and everything after it is where they stopped giving a shit. Sonic didn't each chili dogs in the "classic" games. By Unleashed they stopped trying to be like the classic games and instead started just going off of the general feeling that casuals had for Sonic. He's GOTTA GO FAST and he eats chili dogs and he never had supporting playable characters.

I don't know what people even like about the Spectacle Sonic games. Even as a kid I knew the Adventure games on Dreamcast just weren't that good.

>>15612739

You're sounding really salty over the fact that Sega isn't catering to you.

>>15612746

Adventure is good because it translated Sonic's movement to 3D in a reasonable way, and introduced somewhat effective adventure game elements with a story that wrapped up the plot around which all the main games up to this point had revolved. Also, while people now complain about a lot of the extra characters, it felt like a big and epic adventure at the time. It was also very technically impressive when it first came out. The PS2 crushed the Dreamcast later, but for that first year, the Dreamcast was amazing.

Sonic Adventure 2 refines the gameplay and gives you much, much better level designs. The point system, combined with the Missions and Ranks, gives tons of depth to the gameplay, with tons and tons of replayability, and good unlockables spaced out just far enough apart to provide good incentive to push past that mission that you're having a hard time with at the moment.

Heroes is like a worse version of Adventure 2. It's still playable, but I'd rank it as mediocre.

Shadow is the same type of thing as Heroes, only it has a much better story. Not that that matters much. In the end it ends up being a much worse version of Adventure 2. People talk about the guns but they're not as big a deal as people say. I don't think it's worth the hate, I'd list it as "good," but nowhere near great. To this day it has one of the best karma systems in a video game though.

'06 is shit and everyone knows it, but it was clearly trying to get back to Adventure again, and if it was finished, I believe it would have been very good. Bring back the adventure game elements but with the better level design that came with the sequels. But it wasn't finished. So it's a moot point now.

All the games after are a completely different beast, with a new gameplay style, and a very different tone and plot style than the old games (even going back to the Genesis games, if you read the manuals).

>>15612775

I still like the new games. But I do want to be clear that they are less like the Genesis games than the Adventure games were.

>>15612784

>Sonic's movement to 3D in a reasonable way

Like a lock on attack? Sonics pinball physics weren't translated well to 3D. They put in a lot more scripted moments that were made to look like they were traditional sonic elements revamped for a third dimension but were shallow in their execution. I don't think the game play is even half as good and the majority of it exists to be a spectacle instead of a game.

>>15612810

The lock on attack is a reasonable way to make jumping on enemies in 3D not be significantly harder than in 2D. Mario, for another example, started punching and kicking instead of using jumps as a primary attack.

I don't think the level design in Adventure 1 takes advantage of the movement as well as it could. Adventure 2 is a vast improvement in that area, though. When you're playing well, you'll get that same sense of momentum and flow you get from the Genesis games. Hell, in Adventure 2 you can unlock an actually accurate 3D translation of Green Hill Zone Act 1, and it plays great. IIRC, the world record for both was even the exact same time, at least for a while.

>>15612668

>Chili dogs are for casuals.

t. nigger

>>15533082

>implying