/v/ - Video Games

You can't write a movie if the player can affect the progression of the story in a meaningful way.

>>15502422

Dubs say it like it is

Unironically my only problem with "interactive movies" is that they label them as "games" instead of what they truly are.

>>15502422

>>15502434

You bigots just don't understand mature gaming.

None of those games are sims

>>15502456

I hate the second one for making Corvo's daughter a hookah smoking dyke.

>Immersive sim

Fuckoff eceleb/journo fuck

Cyberpunk 2077 seems to be taking in some Deus Ex inspiration in terms of some design mechanics.

>>15502418

>All those first person games where you play a style rather than a linear choice. Where you have a dozen ways to get around something and sequence breaking is the norm, should you choose, or you can go loud and destroy shit like the terminator.

>Bioshock

Funny joke.

>>15502456

Same,and off the top of my head Thief.

I've read that the reason that there are so few, is that they are very resource intensive to create and usually aren't among gaming best sellers. Unfortunately, this doesn't bode too well for the future of this genre.

>>15502457

Personally I don't really consider Half-Life or Bioshock immersive sims, but the rest certainly are.

>>15502456

>can name Dishonored

>can't name Thief

I get that Dishonored turned into something far, far inferior to Thief over the course of its development, but that's just taking it to a whole new level.

>>15502476

Of course I've fucking played Thief, but the OP was talking about recent releases along the same lines as the ones already posted

>>15502476

dishonoured's big issue is that the world is fantastic and the backstory and ideas about nautical witchcraft are excellent. But all the weapons are pointless unless you want the bad end and powers make stealth piss easy.

I have yet to try 2 beyond the island mental hospital level but i imagine no powers makes it much more enjoyable like preys hardcore survival mode.

>>15502418

They're still trying to fuck up System Shock you dummy.

>>15502503

That shits never coming out man

>>15502418

> they are too complicated to make for modern devs that took the soylent pill? Or is the market not there?

Both, look at Mass Effect andromeda, and mafia 3,

For making an immersive setting you need to make a good setting, unfortunately unless you're creating a dystopia on purpose putting tranny lesbian niggers everywhere works against you

Once you have a good setting, for a video game you need to program ways to interact with it, so it's not a wagon ride through a spookhouse, this is a huge challenge for diversity hires, women and niggers, the more features you want to add, the more you need to optimize your code, which isn't taught in programming courses apparently, because you can shill for new (((Nvidya and Intel))) hardware instead

Unfortunately now market is large enough for devs to make lowest common denominator trash and people will eat it up, best example being MGSV

>>15502422

>Deus Ex is an interactive movie/walking simulator

D … did you even play the game Anon? The good one I mean, rather than the sequels.

>>15502534

D … did you ever think about using your brain for a second before posting?

>>15502418

Just bring your wireless pad into the cinema and you're golden, kid.

>>15502534

I mean, even Invisible War and NuDudesex and fucking project (operation?) Snowblind are games, just not very good ones.

>>15502418

I don't understand what those games are doing in the same List, they share some stuff, yeah, but they are quite different.

>Bioshock: Dead

>Prey: Probably Dead

literally who fucking cares?

Those games were mediocre at best.

>Half-Life

That's more than a little out there, OP, it doesn't have RPG elements, an inventory system, robust stealth, any other noncombat mechanics, or any level nonlinearity whatsoever. I've also seen some moot Stalker, or even Metro, as well as various "avoid the monster" (i.e.: Amnesia, Alien: Isolation, etc.) quasi-walking sims, none of which really feel right to me.

>>15502456

Other common inclusions under the label are Ultima Underworld' descendants via Arkane (Arx Fatalis & Dark Messiah), Troika's VtMB & Obsidian's Alpha Protocol, and the somewhat Deus Ex-like E.Y.E..

>>15502462

Blame Warren Spector if you want to blame anyone, it's just his name for the vague Looking Glass FPS/RPG/adventure house style. For this reason, most elements in these games are often classed as variously "Underworld-like", "System Shock-like", or "Thief-like". Also for that reason, somewhat similar games from rival lineages, like TES (and the similar Gothic/Risen) or Metroid Prime, are usually excluded.

You could sequence break in Bioshock? I just remember the gameplay and little girls from 2 but never being able to sequence break.

>>15502827

I think it just required a bit more autism than in something like prey where letting the player turn into a cup that can roll lead to some real dodgy bullshit.

>>15502833

If Fortnite had an anime artstyle and cute girls I would actually play it 24/7

>>15502461

I liked pretty much everything about Dish2 except for the story and characters. A real shame.

>>15502859

>a game that's forgotten in 6 months

Don't design your game in such a way then.

>>15502476

I'd imagine he didn't include Thief because it isn't quite the same as these games. Immersive Sims, for lack of a better term, encourage players to forge their own path and think outside the box. You're also encouraged to try out different skills and weapons and approaches, something Thief doesn't really have as it is a pure stealth game.

>>15502859

>Spending all this money and effort on a game that's forgotten in 6 months

for publishers this is a good thing, because most money is earned during the first couple of months, and after that they want people to forget the game, and buy the next hype

>>15502418

>halflife

yes, the 15 minute long scripted sequences and one-path-only really make it comparable to deus ex and system shock.

Fucking idiot

Bioshock is linear as fuck. All of the game sin the series are just straight forward action shooters. The pick your plasmid system makes it no more an rpg than the perks and optional upgrades in NuDoom. Hell, I think NuDoom had bigger levels with more exploration and hidden secrets.

>immersive gayms

>muh immershun

You wretched idiot, immersion is a consequence of smooth gameplay and good narrative. It's impossible to design a game to be immersive first, and quality second if any. REALIZE EVETUALLY that you learned these buzzwords in the wake of sjw invasion, when they were convincing faggots that fun and challenge were bad.

IMMERSHUN IS LITERALLY THE SOY ALTERNATIVE TO FUN

>>15503042

>>15502457

These are some "all games are roleplaying games because you play a role"-tier hot takes

>>15503042

>It's impossible to design a game to be immersive first, and quality second

Elite: Dangerous tho.

>>15502418

>Do you think they are too complicated to make for modern devs that took the soylent pill?

I wouldn't say those games were any more complex than typical modern games. Modern devs (and dev tools for that matter) are just not as good, and in any case it doesn't look like they don't have the inclination to make things like that.

>System Shock

>Dead

Not until Warren Specter inevitably kills another property by releasing a basic unity map and calls is System Shock 3.

>>15502418

>where you play a style rather than a linear choice. Where you have a dozen ways to get around something and sequence breaking is the norm

why do you mention Bioshock and Half Life in this?

anyways the genre is dead because there hasn't a good immersive sim since Deus Ex (2000). Anything that came after has been either sub-standard or just wanting to cater to nostalgia fags. Make a really good game again and you'll sell, not just a game with the appearance of a good game, which is what the bioshocks, dishonoreds and preys are

It was never really "alive". The games commonly ascribed to it are outliers, lightning in the bottle even. There's no common ancestor to them that would define the genre (like Wolf3D/Doom for FPS, GTA for open world sandbox, etc), every game is unique with the only common characteristic being the fusion of complex action mechanics with RPG elements.

>>15502859

You think you've got it bad? The 2-player coop genre is even drier.

>>15502418

Not that I'm complaining I made a couple myself, but is this another Cyberpunk thread in disguise?

>>15503775

Is Cyberpunk even this kind of game though, or is it a first person GTA?

>>15503888 (Heil'd)

The devs claim it's an RPG which uses FPS to further immerse the player. Which is what 4/5 of the games listed in the OP are…

>>15503888

From what little we've seen, its an FPSRPG with player freedom in regards to tackling enemies and obstacles. So closer than most.

>>15504186

Does it have physics based objects you can use in inventive ways, or doors you can open five different ways though?

>>15504386

From the gameplay demo I saw physics based objects on the streets that were knocked around by a car, so I'm assuming yes for your first question. Yes for your second question as players stat'd into different skills will be able to open a door in different ways like hacking, engineering, I'm assuming explosives, or just fucking opening it.

>>15504988

Yeah, but like, is stacking crates to reach a place a gameplay mechanic? Is throwing vending machines at people a gameplay mechanic?

hopefully, they're all clones of the same game and they never became very good

>>15502418

Detroit: Become Human was a pretty good game and did pretty well in sales.

>>15505007

Since the game isn't out yet I can only speculate, so here goes. I'm assuming that one can jump on these moveable objects, I'm also assuming one can cause these objects to land atop one another, therefore the answer to your question is yes.

>>15505199

That's a walking simulator, immersive sim is just a pretentious way of saying "system shock clone"

>>15505430

>>15505016

Or Ultima Underworld or Thief

>>15502418

One can only hope.

>>15505430

Pretty /v/-core then.

<following popular games only. Others are ==dead==

>>15503042

Immersion is just a word. Any game can give you immersion.

All of these franchises were killed by microsoft and their attempt to force PC games on their shitty xbox. Coincidence? I don't think so.

>>15502418

Deus Ex isn't dead. The head of Eidos Montréal disputed those claims that was based on nothing.

>>15503515

I have a steam buddy who plays this constantly

>>15502422

>if a video game has any cutscenes in it, its a movie

seriously suck a dick

>>15511767

>suck a dick

Speaking from experience, soycuck dev?

Red Dead 2 is going to have first person perspective, looks like they're going for the immersion genre.

>>15511782

great argument you cancerous meme defending nigger

This board is full of fucking sycophants who talk out their ass, Half-Life is an almost entirely linear experience that was praised for it's scripted events and because of these design choices it remains one of the best video-games of all time.

market has always been there

but devs are too occupied with survival simulators and chasing trends

>>15502418

>>15502456

Dark Messiah is like close quarter Half-Life but with more kicking.

>>15517810

that video is cancer

>>15517836

Most webms from the webm thread are.

>>15502476

Thief isn't the same genre though, Dishonored gives you choice, Thief tells you to keep to stealth. They're different games, both pretty good tbh.

>>15502846

But the first game had almost none of that, I mean it did but terribly underveloped, how could have it become worse?

>>15517644

>a linear game is good, so only linear games can be good

Most intelligent comment of all time.

>>15502911

t. someone that never played Thief

You never listened to the director commentary? It was literally designed to be an immersive sim.

It just drops you into the mission and let's you figure out the rest. You can do anything you want. if you ever played Thief, you' know that you can play it without stealth. You can go on a murder-rampage, you can stealth the game without even knocking out enemies.

You can just ironman it and do whatever works and live with the consequences. Getting caught, doesn't break the game.

>>15521353

because it is the final fantasy 8 of first person sim rpgs, the world and art style is great but its entire design ethos is made so playing the game using most of its abilities is actually counter to the design the devs intend.

>>15502925

>>15502844

Not the same guy but the curse is real man. I actually think that there's some unidentified condition where bright colors and cute girls just short circuit my brain. I keep watching anime even though i haven't seen anything good in years, just chasing the dragon.

Thank god that weeb games are so shit that i never got into them.

>>15503679

I really don't understand how fucking bad co-op games are. resident evil 5 and up, dead space 3 are the worst in their series despite the most budget.I guess it's just too much design compromise.

>>15502418

Deus ex past 2 was third person dingus

>>15502418

>Was interested in Prey because I heard that "there was an attempt" at making a system shock spiritual successor

>Interest piqued even more once I heard the new update has VR support

>Will never, EVER buy a game with Denuvo DRM though

Not a big loss, got a huge backlog of other shit to play anyway.

>>15521936

No it wasn't.