/v/ - Video Games

Specops the line is fucking shit.

fuck your deconstruction.

>>15492369

Dunno about BB, but GG is like the best air dasher in the existence.

How is being the best makes it a deconstruction.

>>15492448

>blazeblue

>a casual version of GG

>in nu-anime style

>looking and playing worse than GG

>fags like you fall for it

Kill yourself m8.

>>15492227

>let's discuses it on how it is overuse by the media

I can't think of anything besides spec ops and that

It's really not that common?

Baldi's basics?

FF7

>>15492227

The overall trend now is that you need to be surprised by something. Nothing follows logic or normal plots. There is always some sort of twist. It's the same with movies.

The ability to tell normal stories is becoming exceedingly rare, even though the people who rail about normal stories being boring, are the same ones who have never read a good normal story.

>>15492682

These are the same people who harp on and on about being unique but have nothing going for them other than what color of mass produced hair dye they prefer.

>>15492682

Are you fucking serious, nigger? On the contrary, there is never ever a surprising twist. It's always a cliché that's been done a billion times before. Whenever someone asks me to watch a new movie with him, I like to try and guess the rest of the plot after the first half an hour or so. I am usually successful at unknowingly spoiling the whole thing.

>>15492763

It's not a surprising twist, but the authors feel the need for one regardless of it being dull, bland or not fitting the genre/story at all.

Nobody said it wasn't a predictable one.

OFF is a no brainer. I could guess the theme after finishing Zone 1 though.

>>15492783

Fair enough. Often, they actually seem to use cliché as an actual argument. Like, it makes no sense for a character to do this, but it's been done a million times before, so it makes sense now :^). The "I NEED TO BE THE ONE TO KILL HIM, NOT YOU, THEREFORE I WILL JOIN FORCES WITH HIM" comes to mind. It's so retarded it's physically painful whenever I see it.

>>15492951

If you can name a single game made in the past decade where the rebels are actually bad and not in the worn out "lol both sides r dum" way then I'd love to see it.

>>15492968

Red Dead Redemption? I can think the Mexican part and the last segment of the story.

>>15492968

Never played it but I remember someone mentioning the Rebels in Far Cry 4 turn out to be a bunch of complete cunts.

I'll define deconstruction as using the elements of the subject being criticized in order to criticize it. An easy example can be found in a lot of games where you kill things to become more powerful/save the day, but you aren't saving the day and only assume you are because its the genre standard (the road to hell is paved with good intentions). Here's some examples:

off, Drakengard 1, Demon's Souls, Undertale, and NieR all deconstruct the idea of being the hero by slaughtering countless enemies and gaining power. Out of those, off is definitely the most poignant but the gameplay isn't great. Undertale has the solid gameplay but everything else is quite weak. I'd say I prefer Demon's Souls' take on it the most overall.

>>15492968

FTL, actually. You're running from the rebels' fleet and face their mothership at the end. They are cut-and-dried bad guys in that.

The problem with deconstruction games is that all the hipsters have latched onto the concept thanks to the likes of Spec Ops, Undertale, and maybe Hotline Miami popularizing it. Now we've got a whole slew of pretentious shit that tries to act as if it's special because it criticized its own genre. How about reconstruction games? Anything that accomplished that instead of going "this concept sucks" and walking away expecting for the whole audience to start clapping? I know it's going against the whole political philosophy behind those that work on games - hell, "deconstruction" is a guiding principle for those that wage war on culture - but there must be some hidden gem out there.

>>15493122

Why the fuck is this a GIF? Looks like he's humping someone under that trench coat and trying to make it as inconspicuous as possible.

"Deconstruction" is a faggot term meaning "its different so its good" and anybody who adheres to this should be shot in the streets.

>>15493475

>reconstruction

Maybe Metal Gear Rising fits this? It assumes the deconstructionist "violence isn't justified in an action game" idea but then shows that there's nothing wrong with violence for the sake of violence (in its context).

At this point, I'll be more surprised when a hipster dev or a big company pull off a modern game with decent good vs evil that is still compelling and memorable. Even more surprised if it looks like it'll be muh deconstruction but slaps you in the face and ends up doing something straightforward and positive.

Can you even pull off a modern villain in a not-for-children that is evil simply because he's evil and enjoys it, and not because they killed his puppy/sister/sister in a puppy's body, and also not looking for a high ideal? It's insane how they're trying to humanize even mindless demons that want to renew your face.

>>15492682

SUBVERSION IS SMART, CAN YOU SEE HOW SMART I AM BY DOING IT EVERY TIME, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE?

>>15492951

>TLJ

SUBVERTED.com

>>15492968

In FNV killing the McNamara does only harm, but it's a sidequest, don't know if it counts.

>>15493094

Undertale has accidentally good gameplay, that still has bad design decisions (battles should've been straight up shoot 'em ups instead of retarded jRPG-ish shit)

>desconstruction game

>oooooo the game just crashed except it was intentional how spooky

That just sounds meta, gay and communist.

>>15492978

>Red Dead Redemption

>not in the worn out "lol both sides r dum" way

you failed

>>15493783

I thought the whole arc of MGR is that while the world does run on the might makes right philosophy of people like Senator Armstrong, people like Raiden exist who are willing to use that fact to bring justice to the world.

>>15494295

I'd say it's a little of both. The reconstructionist idea in the plot is that despite Armstrong claiming that there's no difference between him and Raiden because of their revelry in violence, Raiden still fights for those who can't fight for themselves rather than trampling them underfoot. And in the gameplay itself, you're told how much of a monster Raiden is over and over (and by extension you are, since you're controlling him), but while you're playing you're like "so what, this is fun as hell."

Any hack fraud can deconstruct shit (perfect example, Rian Johnson and TLJ), but it's a lot harder to then turn that around and embrace what you deconstructed, turning it into something even more interesting.

The Beginner's Guide. Deconstructs videogames in general.