/v/ - Video Games

Unless there's a point system that rewards stealthy kills, most players are just going to go the murder hobo route.

because all devs in this planet are either hacks or low-budget. It's always one or the other.

>>15460177

Well obviously the devs have to make stealth viable.

>>15460165

>Why are there so few multiplayer stealth games?

Because being a camper can get you banned in some games these days.

Any multiplayer shooter where flanking is a valid tactic is a game which rewards stealthy play. You're just caught in this stupid mindset that you have to be slow moving faggot who take forever to get shit done to be stealthy.

>tfw no spies vs mercenaries

>>15460232

this, the element of surprise is a major advantage in post-CS FPS

>>15460281

This is why I wish shooters had procedurally generated levels for online play

Of Guards and Thieves is exactly that

>>15460314

Assassin's creed multiplayer is exactly that, me and a friend had a blast on it. It's fucking hilarious, tried to get a few more friends to join in but they didn't like it sadly.

>>15460322

>No that's hunting

Stealth is a big part of hunting.

Stealth as a genre is pretty much dead for starters. Then you have devs not wanting to take the risk of doing a stealth MP game and then finally a lot of devs skillfully unable to do a stealth MP game. You'd have to get a bit creative to make it long lasting fun as well. Shooting dudes doesn't really get too boring but stealth is a lot easier to fall into "been there, done that" territory and people dropping out.

>>15460314

>Somehow all of them magically shows up on a radar. So you don't actually have to keep track on them in your shitty adventure-anime-game.

MGS is a shit stealth-game.

>>15460314

Because most normalfags prefer third person games. It's kinda hard to sneak up on someone when they have 180 degrees of vision around them.

>>15460565

>he plays on low difficulties

lmao pleb

Because stealth games only work by intentionally designing enemies to be blind, deaf, and retarded, and most gamers aren't blind or deaf.

The dream game

>3 forces

>2 regular battlefield for dudebro armies

>2 large bases they must destroy

>each has smaller camps not unlike the towers in a moba

>3rd party is stealthfags, 64 soldiers one either big army, 12 diamond dogs

>their job is intel theft, mechanical sabotage and guerilla warfare

>>15460726

Wasn't there a mode like this in Metal Gear Online v2 (MGS4)?

>>15460782

God knows but imagine that if like the stealth guys controlled like MGSV and the dudebros controlled like R6 siege or something.

>>15460792

If I remember correctly I think in MGO2 it was basically a search and destroy (ie: no respawn) game between two teams of 8(?) with a player running around as Solid Snake or something like that.

>>15460165

Because normalfags don't like it when people have snuck up on them. I've seen countless children/teens (mostly my cousins) get irate when they die in CoD and the guy who shot them merely wasn't on their screen. They'll fucking scream just because they didn't check one of the two corridors they were standing by and got killed by someone. It offends them to their core that someone didn't just walk in front of them so they could hose bullets at each other and let the weapon spread determine who wins.

>>15460232

Well this.

>>15460165

Because fucking 'stealth' in video games almost always boils down to utilization of some sort of cheat mechanism to literally make your character invisible, rather than rewarding intuitive or creative gameplay that is based more around sound control/camouflage/realistic line of sight.

That shit can suck a dick and get aids.

>>15462482

nobody wants to handle that shitheap dude

wasn't there a split-screen game where everyone's invisible

>>15460232

>You're just caught in this stupid mindset that you have to be slow moving faggot who take forever to get shit done to be stealthy.

That's not even how to be stealthy in a stealth game, at least not the meme gear series

>>15460165

Because stealth is boring as fuck and stupid. Stealth levels are like the corner pieces of brownies. Having a game dedicated to stealth is like making every brownie a corner piece. Only subhumans would tolerate it.

>>15464764

>>>/tumblr/

You must be 18 years old to use this website.

>>15464880

>Cobra Unit game

>The Boss is the player character, plays like your standard MGS protagonist.

>The Pain is more standard shooting and brawling with his bees, grenades and TOMMY GUN!

>The Fear is like Metal Gear on crack, cling to walls and ceilings while trying to pass through tough areas where the slightest mistake means detection

>The End has sections that play like Sniper Elite, taking out Sentries to help other characters sneak past or assassinate VIPs

>The Fury is another straight up fighter, only this time it’s flamethrower massacre.

>The Sorrow plays almost like a mystery/puzzle/detective game as you interrogate spirits for information that will help you progress.

>Halfway through the game the Boss gets a debuff from the botched C-section on D-day.

>Game ends with The Boss assassinating The Sorrow

Five bonus missions where you play as the remaining Cobras fighting Naked Snake during Operation Snake Eater.

>>15460726

>3 forces

>2 regular battlefield for dudebro armies

>3rd party is stealthfags

Sounds like Batman Arkham Origins' multiplayer.

>>15462482

>playing a buggy, unfinished, shit flavour of the month game populated entirely by aimbotting chinks

This isn't reddit, normalnigger.

>>15464962

I was thinking more like you play as The Boss exclusively infiltrating a Nazi base and fighting the Sorrow. Then, as you said, there'd be a bonus campaign that is an abridged Snake Eater.

>>15460726

>>15465039

>>15460165

SS13 Antagonist mode would be up your alley.

>>15465072

Do you seriously prefer the non-corners of the brownies? They crumble too easily. With the corner piece, everything stays together and you can get the crunchy and chewy bit all in one.

>>15465083

It's burnt garbage.

>and you can get the crunchy

BROWNIES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CRUNCHY YOU TROGLODYTE. THEY ARE MEANT TO BE SOFT.

>>15465093

It's not burnt, it's simply dried out. The slightly harder edge of the brownie combined with the soft inner section is much more satisfying. Do you remove the crust from bread as well?

>>15465377

>Do you remove the crust from bread as well?

More like do you eat the end pieces of a loaf of bread?

>>15465377

>CRUNCHY, DRIED OUT brownies

kill yourself asap you fucking disgrace. Proper brownies are soft and moist

>>15466454

Your sister was pretty soft and moist last night, but your mom is still the better option no matter how dried out she gets.

>>15466505

how can 4f8163 ever recover from this sick burn

>>15460314

>MGS fag completely misunderstands stealth games and thinks they're sneaky action games

Like pottery

>>15466217

>More like do you eat the end pieces of a loaf of bread?

You don't? Are you a child?

How would you make a perfect tactical stealth multiplayer game, /v/?

>>15474208

>you don't appear on the mini-map if you fire silenced gun

>silenced gun does less damage

>Why are there so few stealth games?

fixed for you OP

>>15479209

>silenced gun does less damage

Is this for the sake of balance or do you actually believe that suppressors somehow make bullets perform worse?

>ctrl+f

>no splinter cell chaos theory versus

are you niggers even trying?

>>15479296

I have never played a better stealth game.

>>15479234

you need to use lower velocity amunition to have sufficient sound suppression (normally below speed of sound).Your rounds have a much lower energy than before. So yes, you need to have worse ballistic performance in order to make a suppressor worthwhile.

>>15479408

Then subsonic rounds should have lower velocity and penetration, but not less damage. Suppressors have nothing to do with the bullet's ballistics. Or actually they do, they increase the round's velocity by roughly 10 to 20 feet per second.

You sacrifice range, accuracy and penetration in favor of stealth, rather than simply doing less damage. Unless you want your stealth game to be casual trash with no realistic ballistics and wound system :^)

>>15479437

a .22 LR is considered only good for hunting small pest. say, 50 grain, 1,100 FPS

a .223, is considered a intermediate round ideal for killing deer. 55 grain, 3,200 FPS.

a slower round effects damage in the real world, buddy.

>>15460565

What’s a good stealth game, then? And cite a real one, don’t just act like a passive aggressive soyboy with vague insults

>>15479408

I thought that suppressors gave firearms a longer range because they serve as a longer barrel. It's kind of why short barreled shotguns have less range than a regular one.

>>15460805

>>15460782

Yeah, I remember that mode. I can't remember how many players it had, but I do remember that the player who got to play as Snake had every skill equipped at once and that the skills were all maxed out. So he choked out players really quickly, had really steady aim and performed CQC moves much more quickly, among other things.

I thought the way they handled his camo meter online was also pretty clever, iirc the higher it was the more transparent Snake's character model was (and vice versa).

I miss MGO2

I asked that >>15474208

because i want to make a stealth multiplayer game to play with friends

I have no experience in making 3d games, how does a 2d multiplayer stealth would work? Any ideas?

>>15460165

Stealth requires reliability to be fun.

In SP this is easy because AIs have standardized abilities. You can figure out exactly how far you can be spotted, how fast you can move without making sound, and so on.

In MP this doesn't exist. One player might not hear shit and can't see you unless you are right in front of them, another might spot you from 500 feet away if 1"x1" of you is exposed.

>>15480118

Forgot to add: The only way around this for MP is to flat out hide players from normal vision that the game decides are too far/well concealed to be seen. This is what World of Tanks does, and it's really shitty to play with, because no one likes being handicapped. It'd be like deciding players are too good at aiming and then intentionally making mouse controls shit in an FPS.

>>15460324

if online didn't have the poison unlock it would have been perfect

>>15460660

>and most gamers aren't blind or deaf.

I like how you left out retarded because that is exactly what most people playing games are. Good post anon.

>>15460165

People in 2018 do not have patience for that shit.

>>15462564

Yeah, called ScreenCheat. Not really stealth though.

Call of Duty with a ghillie suit is online stealth.

>>15479296

When did they start gutting the online for splinter cell anyway? I could have swore they had spies vs mercs after double agent.

>>15460165

I though that too, until my team founded out having two support campig with a LMG at the dam is an insta win…

Plus marking enemy made the whole camo and sneaking thing useless. We only needed one faggot who did his job fine with scanning the whole map and we won.

The other gamebreaking thing was the placable mortars. I remember holding back the whole enemy team with that shit, just by aiming the main spawn. It was unfair and i was a fag, but atleast we win… and i got bored…

>>15480118

50% or even more kills in low TTK shooters are surprise kills when one side don't even having time to react. Surprise = enemy was stealthed before fight.

>>15479437

Anything on the end of the gun will effect ballistics. Having a can on my gun causes my shit to have a noticeable effect on drop but when I have a break on the end it tends to shoot higher.

>>15464924

>Konami needs to burn.

>not kojima for making 3 shitty games in a row out of spite instead of growing a spine or killing himself.

Stealth doesn't work as well against human opponents as other players tend to see readily throught disguises and check their surroundings in case of invisible enemies nearby

>>15482333

Player don't need to be invisible to hide form noobs like you.

>>15479927

>>15460805

>MGO2

Reminder that this is still alive and played by people.

>>15482333

You have to restrict the mercs to first person mode and give the spies 3rd person.

>>15481438

>enemy put his sights on you accidentally and reveals your position making their sight red and so making all the camouflage useless

>stealth

Well, yeah, in theory, you could play every multiplayer shooter in stealth, but most of the games don't want you to do that.

>>15482278

I do it, am I good in your book?

>>15493549

>Then why do they need wall hacks to see where the enemies are?

Casuals.