/v/ - Video Games

Because the current generation of youth has no interest in reading. They will eat up your shitty COD iteration 72 or wacky fun shooter, but no one under the age of 30 has interest in reading a book for fun, let alone a literary piece.

>>15428346

>literature level stories

this means nothing.

What are you talking about, OP? TLOU is a masterpiece! Only manchildren who want "fun gameplay" could possibly disrespect such refined, mature, artistic entertainment.

>>15428356

true

Because literature and vidya are entirely different mediums with entirely different possible approaches to storytelling

>>15428414

This, plus the fact that anyone with a computer and time on his hands can write a book (setting aside whether it's shit or not). To make a video game that would appeal to enough people to make money means you're going to be spending more money and time to develop it than the vast majority of people have.

>>15428346

Because games aren't about telling a story, it's about creating mechanical boundaries that let you generate you own stories. Instead, companies choose to put out poorly written drivel. Sasuga.

because if you're good at writing why the fuck would you write for shallow shit like videogames

>>15428442

because video games provide better immersion

>>15428379

The fuck is TLOU?

>>15428346

>Why are there so few games with literature level stories

What, you mean games with a lot of text to read? In that case, there are plenty of VNs and (J)RPGs. Or do you mean games, with complex and intricate/deep stories, that match the works of <your favorite dead author>? Then I guess there's LoK and maybe some (J)RPGs, as for why there aren't many, I guess if you are a good enough author, it's easier to write a web novel.

Because people who play video games are generally niggers who just want to see million dollar set pieces that you barely interact with every 15 minutes of a 5-hour campaign

>>15428474

A 10/10 - IGN

>>15428474

The Citizen Kain of video games.

>>15428346

Modern literature is worse than most games.

>>15428346

If you were trying to make a game with a amazing story it would take away too much from the gameplay and turn into a boring walking simulator. At that point why not make a book or a movie? Yes video games have more immersion but if you're trying to make a serious story with very important themes being addressed, the player's ability to stray from the path the author originally intended will end up diluting the message as a whole. The only time I could see it working is if you just want to tell an adventure story for fun.

I have no mouth and i must scream?

>>15428523

>hugo award

How pozed is it?

>>15428526

When was Obama ever wrong?

>>15428529

How about the opposite, A Mind Forever Voyaging?

>>15428536

>>15428540

>implying

>>15428535

Unironically the best thing that ever came from China.

>>15428547

Tell us your taste in other media

>>15428547

>read what you enjoy

>listen to what you enjoy

>look for things like that

not hard, anon

do as >>15428550 said and give us a list of what you like in other things.

Only psycho fags write novels anymore. They say reading is good for you, but reading drivel can't be good for anyone.

>>15428547

>same with music

Wat? Just listen. It's the most passive medium ever made. And just go read something. There is no where to start, just find something that looks good and go.

>>15428346

You're overestimating "literature level" writing.

You should try reading some books once in a while.

>>15428547

The only advice I can give you is don't fall for the "muh classics" meme

Don't force yourself to consume poorly written drivel just because its old and some retard called it a masterpiece.

Because a good story takes a lot of work to write when the work should be put into tightening up good gameplay.

>>15428555

>>15428557

>just listen

I actually have a really tough time with music. My big bro was always huge on obscure bands influences/relationships/genres and had a zillion albums, so I grew up just parasitically listening when he played it. Now, since I don't have the encyclopedic knowledge of this shit like I do with other media, the best I can do is plow through random songs on Youtube in the hope I'll come across a decent band, and then look them up on Wikipedia to see if their members did anything else.

>>15428566

Most classics aren't poorly written. That's why they're classics. The problem with them tends to be similar to every other medium: people equate something that looks or sounds pretty with depth. In the case of classics, the "depth" also comes from the author randomly throwing in references to Greek myth, Christian myth, or Shakespeare in the case of anyone who came after him. The classics can pretty much be boiled down to "I understood that reference, and the author made it sound good."

>>15428547

look up /lit/ classics and just look up playlists for different music genres until you find something you like.

>>15428576

What sort of music do you like? Describe it, even.

>>15428547

1. Find a genre you like.

2. Google best intro novels for that genre

3. Buy a couple of those books

4. Dedicate time to finish at least one.

t. Read 12+ science fiction novels. PKD being my favorite

>>15428346

Literature is fucked as badly as vidya. All the awards are pozzed shit ran by leftists, publishers publish shit only if nepotism is involved, the readers consume shit in written form, and basically, everything is fucking fucked. Be glad you're literary casuals that can enjoy garbage. After you actually delve into it and start recognising quality, you will be stricken by how bad the current state of the medium is, angry at how shit is only getting worse, and desperate as you watch countless of promising premises get ruined by sloppy execution.

>>15428547

I've read hundreds of books and even wrote a few. Just pick a genre, skim premises of the books there, and pick whichever catches your eye. If you want recommendations, I'd go for the Discworld series – fun, easy to read, well written, overall comfy. Go from oldest to newest, but skip the last five or so, as they're dog shit.

>>15428501

The examples of videogames high points are almost always endeavors not trying to mime film or literature and play to gaming's strengths. Kojima is kind of an exception in terms of aesthetics and cut scenes, but MGS still had a strong core of gameplay. None of the wanna be movie games would include hours of superfluous telephone calls, that's not cinematic enough.

>>15428474

Whoa this cool old timer is too old to know the mentioned game or that google exists! What a cool old timer!

>>15428593

>The classics can pretty much be boiled down to "I understood that reference, and the author made it sound good."

I've got a copy of the Divine Comedy around here somewhere that, I swear, has more text in the footnotes and asides explaining what the fuck is going on and providing context - than it does text from the source material itself. Read Moby Dick a few years ago, and aside from being completely gay (I heard Melville wanted to suck on Natey Hawthorne's harpoon) - every so often he would just throw in entire chapters devoted entirely to describing the minutia of the whaling industry - because otherwise nobody would understand what the fuck he was talking about half the time. Which I guess is appreciated for the context, but it would have been better placed at the beginning of the book, or part of an addendum for a primer - and not stopped the story dead in it's tracks for a classroom lesson.

>>15428547

There's a few collections of H.G. Wells short stories. Maybe try starting there? They're, well short, but they're also just old enough to sound somewhat like you're reading classic literature - but it's really just pulp sci-fi bullshit with some grand ideas. The Man who could work Miracles, Under the Knife, and The Time Machine were some of my favorites.

>>15428620

>>15428646

I'm trying to read Goebbels' dairy and every page there's a footnote smearing jewish shit over everything. Same as all modern renditions of literature, except more blatant.

>Goebbels refuses to meet up with a priest¹

>¹The priest was considered to have a very high IQ, and Goebbels knew that if he were to meet up with the priest he would get destroyed in an argument

>>15428593

Most classics were well executed for their time (standards changed a lot over the centuries, as did styles) and carried some sort of a new and enticing idea or a plot (which then got copied by countless derivative works). Ancient Greek plays are still fun to read today, I find, as is most of Shakespeare's work (don't actually read it in old English unless you're an English Major or a masochist, though). The only "classics" that I found irredeemably shit were, almost universally, things written during or immediately after WW2. It's incredible what sort of drivel got praised to high heavens. Half of it is literal propaganda, the other half pretentious "deep" garbage that can be summed up as "War is bad. People are evil. Love is good. Do you feel enlightened by these truths yet?"

>>15428346

>Definition of literature

>1 archaic : literary culture

>2 : the production of literary work especially as an occupation

>Literature is his profession.

>3 a (1) : writings in prose or verse; especially : writings having excellence of form or expression and expressing ideas of permanent or universal interest

>literature stands related to man as science stands to nature —J. H. Newman

>(2) : an example of such writings

>what came out, though rarely literature, was always a roaring good story —People

>b : the body of written works produced in a particular language, country, or age

>French literature

>Renaissance literature

>c : the body of writings on a particular subject

>scientific literature

>d : printed matter (such as leaflets or circulars)

>campaign literature

>4 : the aggregate of a usually specified type of musical compositions

>the Brahms piano literature

By the definition of literature, being as broad as it is all games with text or story could be said to have literature level stories in them. You're thread is retarded, and so are you.

>>15428651

Try to get one in the original German if you can. Should probably be less kiked, although it's still very possible that it might be edited.

>>15428652

r/4chan pls go, you do not belong here

Literature is descriptive of form, not quality.

>>15428668

EBIN XDDD DUDE YOU PWNED HIM SO BAD

>>15428646

>Divine Comedy

Thats sonichu tier fanfiction that is only celebrated for its context, not of its merits.

>>15428653

>Most classics were well executed for their time

I think this sells the classics short. Authors like Tolstoy had deep insight and real wisdom. It's uncanny reading a book so old better describing how people act than anything written today. There's a lot of craft to storytelling, and often a lot of cultural heritage in the stories. These are thing you rarely get in cultural decline, you have to go backwards to know what good is.

Also real patrician taste is to read nonfiction.

>>15428724

That's fine, but I didn't say anything about it's merits. I just said I had a copy and there are entire pages where there's only a paragraph or two and the rest of the page is littered with dense footnotes.

Personally, I liked Paradise Lost much more - which itself is pretty much just greek epic fanfiction with a Christian coat of paint.

>>15428653

>Shakespeare

>old English

This is enough to disqualify you from passing judgement on Shakespeare's works.

They're not the god-given writ everyone says they are, but seriously, at least get the language right.

Op here,

Is there really no game that can match the storytelling quality of 999ds? Was expecting some recs tbh. You disappoint me.

>>15428757

I was going to comment on that, too, but I know that almost everyone confuses actual Old English with Ye Olde English.

>>15428773

>VNs

Are there actually any that reach beyond the shallowest adventure mechanics, even to the level of Infocom IFs?

>>15428822

*tips fedora

>>15428773

>Op here,

We know, nigger.

>>15428442

video games allow for a very long and complex story to be created

all other mediums are limited by time and physical constraints

>>15428839

>Nigger

Aha typical.

>>15428822

are you low IQ or something? 999 was never released on the 3DS and the OP image's filename says it's from the ios version

>>15428773

have you tried the sequel or the other games he wrote for?

>>15428346

That's like asking why there are so few movies with jazz music level original compositions.

How about you read a fucking book?

>>15428653

>Most classics were well executed for their time

True although there is a lot of complete dogshit that just isn't really fun to read, but had some influence on literature as a whole, so it's still considered an important piece to read.

A rule of thumb, if you're not actually interested in reading a classic, and are having a hard time reading through it, do not force yourself to.

I like Dostojewski's works, but they are also fun to read, while I personally absolutely despise Reymont's "The Peasants", because they are just IMO fucking boring, and although I can see a message, it won't flow very well with me as I'm thinking more about hating the book than actually analyzing it. The fact that something is a classic, doesn't mean that you have to throw out your personal preferences. If it's not fun, why bother. As long as you're reading books as a hobby, this should be your main concern, the pleasure you derive from them.

>>15428346

Why do people who think that "games are art" want games to emulate other forms of media like books and movies instead of standing on their own merit i.e. gameplay?

>>15429000

Because they don't care about art or video games. They just want to feel superior to others without having to actually be better than others. Why do you think the games "journalists" are so willing to throw gamers under the bus? They want to be real journalists and write real articles, they couldn't give a rats ass about video games or what articles they are writing about. All they care about is the glory of being a real journalist and the soapbox it lets them stand on.

>>15429000

Because "art" became a term of "quality" rather than a descriptor of something concrete.

>>15428652

This except unironically.

>>15428662

>>Vidya is an visual and interactive medium. Most things that have to be explained in books can just be shown through gameplay. They don't need good writers to sell and many genres have all their time put into ways for the players to interact with the game.

>>What writers want and what the scenario managers want can be 2 totally different things causing a clash in the direction. You can see this where it seems like certain cutscenes or events should have come before something else or the narrative is completely different from the characters actions (new Tomb Raider games).

I find it annoying that designers still seem to fail at letting the gameplay tell the story. A Tomb Raider prequel with Lara struggling to kill (animals or people) could have a targeting crosshairs that effectively has "anti" auto aim so whenever its put over a living enemy it would repel and make it difficult to hit (and eventually kill) someone accurately, so the player really has to work harder to aim because Lara at that point in the story struggles to kill. Over the course of the game, the experience of more killing reduces the "anti" auto aim effect showing how Lara becomes better at learning how to shoot people and her earlier "barrier" that made shooting people is now gone.

But I would imagine that a gameplay based story telling feature like this probably wouldn't be understood by the testers/journos (why can't I aim properly? Why isn't like every other TPS? BLAH BLAH BLAH)

>>15428346

You mean "why are there so few games that I've heard of with literature level stories," anon. Object permanence is a mental skill that toddlers learn, anon.

Why are there so few movies with mario level gameplay

>>15428621

So they've sown discord in you?

>>15428501

Almost all the story in Souls is conveyed through item descriptions that give you random information that you have no reason to have. Out of the remaining, a good chunk is speculation with little to no basis. What remains is on the level of "this kingdom's population was killed or turned into monsters, and this stage is a part of the kingdom with the people gone and monsters in their place - holy shit so deep!" So, basically, what every almost every fucking game out there does. Souls is fucking dogshit storytelling and anyone praising it is completely clueless.

There's potentially a lot more moving parts in a game, you would have to write a story on par with a good book to begin with and then integrate the gameplay in a way that adds to it while dealing with budget constraints and outside interference.

At the end of the day why take a risk trying to make a unique or thought provoking story when you can splice a b movie script into some mediocre gameplay instead and get jerked off for all eternity by journalists and self conscious faggots overly concerned with the games being "taken seriously"

>>15432109

Already played it. Lynne was so insufferable she ruined the game for me.

>>15432200

Because no matter what the player does, it would end in failure.

>>15432207

So there will be no difference in OP's experience.

>>15428346

999 is absolute shit.

>>15432200

>>15432207

The game you're looking for is called Undertale, a little-known indie RPG from a few years back. Maybe you've heard of it?

You're a child and you into this old ruin and learn that as a human, you basically have incredible power over monsters, but because of a previous war with the humans, they are very wary of you. You can' escape the barrier the humans put up, so you're stuck there. You face a moral dilemma that isn't known as until later, but you need to decide whether to befriend the monsters even if they hate you, or defeat them to gain their power and overcome the barrier.

It's not quite so simple as the story has twists and turns, but even the "good" ending is pretty sad.

>>15428431

If they make money, it is a bad thing. Companies must always be kept low.

Why aren't there more games that do something with the idea of violence? Start with a battle and then have the rest of the game be dealing with injuries. Have it be a visual novel.

I'd like to see more guro in general. There isn't nearly enough art of it on Danbooru and there aren't enough VN's of it.

>>15428346

>why are there so few games that aren't books

I dunno OP, how come there are so few CYOA books? Those are clearly the absolut best.

>>15432561

Play SS13 in High Roleplay servers. A 15 seconds skirmish will see you spend 15 minutes in the Medbay treating all your bones, burns, cuts and maybe even poison.

It gets to a point that sometimes the doctors kill you and make a fresh clone instead.

>>15428360

This. This is just a cuckchan template thread again

>>15432583

alternatively, just cut yourself open with a knife and try to put yourself together, much less painful than SS13 HRP

>>15428346

>Why is there so little literature with video game level interactivity?

>>15428473

No, it's the other way around. There's little to imagine with a game, because of the visual element.

If by literature you mean writing then most games have books in their expanded universes. Haven't read one I would call "literature level."

>>15433188

There's little need for narration in most games but some have a novel's worth of lore included as optional reading, but there's still dialogue and cutscenes. And when you consider that plays generally don't have narration they generally trump videogames in both dialogue and scenario writing. It's obvious when you think about it since a play or a movie can't survive without those elements while a videogame can survive off of gameplay alone.

>>15428346

Literature is for fags.

>>15433872

You should read some books then.

>>15428346

Why would you use an unrelated image for your thread?

Game script writers are generally failed fantasy/sci fi book writers. Not much else to it. Sometimes there's a diamond in the rough, mostly its just shit and you should really be looking to see if the gameplay redeems the story.

>>15433763

Im pretty sure that book has an official english release.

>>15428547

french literature of course

>>15435919

Too deep 4 u

>>15428501

>MGS

Are you 12?

>>15436021

19

>>15435919

It's a lame rip-off of Ever17.

>>15438209

t. never played any of the zero escape games

>>15432384

have you actually read Don Quixote you furry degenerate faggot?

>>15435919

literally too deep for your tiny mind to comprehend, game builds up to that the entire time, half of the characters quote from a paper from a guy that is even mentioned in the game

>>15438175

you're a fucking twink, please fuck my ass

>>15428474

Oh, you are truly blessed to not know.

>>15435919

I want to fuck Alice

I don't mind reading but almost every game's story is a copy paste of a generic trope. Most fantasy game stories can be skipped completely and you can still predict how the story will go.

>>15428523

I loved the first book but never managed to find a download for the other two.

>>15428346

literature isnt good, your imagination makes it good

>>15432109

Sissel is a cat

Missile is the talking lamp

The blonde guy is actually Sissel's owner. 10 years ago, he got hit by a temsik meteorite then became immortal. His real name is Yomiel

>>15440400

>it's just like letters on paper man, whats fun in that lol

that's why normalfags don't read, because it requires imagination to enjoy

You're either playing a video game or reading a book, you can't have both.

>>15428547

Oh yeah, and with music, I heard this on the radio and fell in love with it.

Writers who can't break into real literature become Hollywood story writers. Hollywood writers who can't hack it there become video game writers.

>>15428356

This is erroneous. Most people OVER the age of 30 also stopped reading entirely when they left high school. Maybe they pick up a magazine or a newspaper every once in a while, and maybe they might even occasionally crack a biography about a political figure or celebrity they like. But reading fiction? Extremely rare for anyone.

>>15428431

Anyone with ten minutes using Flash can make a "game", too. Anyone can write enough to fill a book, but that's not the same. One-hundred-thousand words of mindless ranting set on paper with no organization is no more a book than a set of random code that does "something" when you start is is a game.

FS/N has more volume of reading if you include everything (all three routes, all taiga doujos) than the LOTR trilogy, and it's pretty good. You're not going to get better "literature level" reading outside of VN's though, if not because of quality then simply because you don't get as much content as a full length book.

>>15447464

its shit tho

>>15428346

Because video games aren't books. They're mechanical.

>>15448289

In this day and age, a well crafted story is just as important as good gameplay. Shit games with no plot are a thing of the past now.

>>15428547

One advice : if you must read, stick with non-fiction. You already have visual novels if you want a superior kind of entertainment with words. You don't need to clog your brain with literature garbage

>>15450755

shit advice. literature is way better than visual novels lmao

>>15450176

>story is just as important as gameplay, in anything other than an RPG

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15450303

No u

Because they're games and not books

>>15450838

You know I'm right.

>>15428547

Just find a story that sounds really interesting to you, something that you can't find in any other medium. I didn't like reading fiction until I started reading Chretien de Troyes because I couldn't find any movies or games that did medieval adventure in a way that satisfied my autism.

>>15428651

ignore them then

>>15450176

>a well crafted story is just as important as good gameplay

Then it should use its medium properly: visually driven narrative rather than words, show don't tell. Of course that would be too difficult for brainlet normalfags to process.

Why are there so few books with videogame level interactivity

>>15447637

f8 is the deepest porn ever written

prove me wrong

>>15457436

Tsukihime was better.

>>15432366

halo -→

>>15459151

Has a better story yes