/v/ - Video Games

>>15388675

>I saw it was on sale and decided to give it another try

you actually bought it?

>>15388675

The game is fun.

>>15388806

>People won't stand still for a second

I'M TRYIN TO HEAL YOU NOT BLOODY TICKLE YOU

>>15388675

>way more fun in early beta

You are without a doubt retarded then. I'm not saying the game is Great now but the beta was insufferably bad and horrificly unbalanced. When the game first launched there were only 4 classes, Medic, Support, Commando and Beserker. Killing Scrakes was nigh impossible because Support had more health than Beserker (150 vs 100) and Zerk had no offensive capability. Likewise Parrying was the only means of defense and at the time it was Server Side and the window for a parry was miniscule meaning if you didn't have the timing of a literal Demi-god you were fucked and yes, that means Ping affected the already nat-dick chance you had of getting a perfectly timed parry. This led to you parrying perfectly on your screen but the server saying fuck you and dying near instantly. Health pools were fucked as well and SC spawn rates were collosal in early beta, I remember we were actually chased by like 8-15 Scrakes at one point. All other classes likewise were definitively half baked but nobody, not even the AA12 Supports had the DPS to put down the Scrake Army at the time. Tripwire likewise was notorious at this time because a Dev got on the horn and told everybody complaining that Zerker was 100% fine in his useless state because he beat the game on normal with no difficulty, no i am not kidding. Meanwhile on HoE the only way to beat SC's was to exploit a Torso twist overlook where you circled around the SC constantly hitting him so he could never quite turn to hit you. It took a shit load of time, was boring and frustrating but it was the only way. Likewise the excact same was True with the only boss at the time, Hanz. Hanzs was Overwhelmingly OP at launch, capable of moving so fast he could outrun Zerk and do so while throwing nades ahead of him and likewise could stop and shoot on a dime with no cool down meaning if you were actually somehow managing to get ahead he stop right behind you and instant wipe you with Dual STG's. The game was an abortion at launch because it was hard for all the wrong reasons. Some of these include but are not limited to:

>no means by which to fortify positions, because door welding is a joke since they could be destroyed nigh instantly and would not respawn next wave like KF1 and could not be repaired by Support (though even this addition still has not made doors a fun or viable mechanic like KF1 in so far as defense strategy)

>EZ mode kiting was nerfed with all the wrong nerfing that being enemies behind you would simply teleport in front of you, a problem still persistent and bullshit eliminating kite management and general tactics.

>Classes were unbearably bad with illusion of choices with no viable alternatives to the strict and still tempermental meta

>Tripwire actively shit on people doing HoE comparing their "normal" level difficulty to that of experiences 1500 hour KF1 veterans with their 1% HoE chievos.

>When new classes were added like Demo they were so powerful a single Nuke in Z-Time would wipe the entire map of all ZEDS fleshpounds included

>Eventually Tripwire swung far the opposite direction and rather than making a Tough as Dick but Fair as God Game like KF1 just made the game disturbingly easy with all Classes Being Nigh Invincible and HoE a joke

>Gave up on a promised class Martial Artist because Parrying as a class design became to hard in the face of selling Cosmetics or Emotes and just settled for Survalist, a recycled class made of all other classes who is mathematically provable to be the worse class in the game

>Hanz the only challenging boss is boring and straightforward whereass the interesting tactics and threat of Patriarch from the orignal have been dumbed down and made pathetic

>King Fleshpound or Giant Evil Bloat are pitiful joke like bosses that if you have ever lost to you should be ashamed

>Matriarch cut but 2 other unwanted bosses added for no fucking reason and they are EZMODE to the max

>PC game was promised to not curtail to the wants and needs of the Console Retards difficulty or otherwise but has hookline and sinker become carbon copies and thus ez pz mode all the way around

(cont)

>>15388843

On a more asthetics note

>Gritty 90's depection of nigh human extermination by a legitmately powerful self replicating threat

>Leaves only the remains of a Skeletal Governent sending out small skeleton crews to target key locations

>made up of military, PMC or anyone else they can get their hands on

>Humanity may be down to a couple hundred thousand or million people at most

>ZEDs are full sentient and aware of what they are doing and don't care

Changed to

>MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES

>Everyones fine but Some parts of Europe and England

>Sending out MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES to fight for quick cash

>EBIL EBIN NAZI MAN ALL ALONG

>FAT PATRIARCH SISSY BOI

>HAHAHAHHAH NO PLACE TO HOLD OR FORTIFY JUST FIND A FUNNEL ON THE MAP INSTEAD CUZ THATS TOTALLY MORE INTESTING AND DIFFRENT FOR OUR COD AUDIENCE AHAHHAHAHA

Its a shit game whose difficulty isn't even on par with CoD Nazi Zombies, because at least that requires skill to eventually reach higher levels. KF2 is so easily repeatable I'd say you'd have to be autistic not to beat it.

>>15388868

Yeah, that was some godawful virtual signalling

>>15388965

>As if the Devs forced to admit they were full of shit when they are caught on tape in a falsehood means anything

Anon, its just time to stop.

>Compensate for shifting of ping

>Ping jumps from 80-100

>ping jumps for 20-60

>ping jumps from 50-60

>Die instantly as a punishment

Good mechanic dude, I think you'd fit right in with the Tripwire Development Team.

>Torso Twist Exploit Makes me Good

Good Game Sense and Skill My Dude.

>Plays DOTA 2

Oh God anon please stop, you are coming off like the Overwatch faggots in Comp.

>Entire post is just a rage post with no substance about how his skill in fucking Dota 2 makes up for KF2 being a bad game

lmao

You are the textbook definition of a shill.

>>15388939

I liked how KF1 had the mod for the trader that gave her the voice lines of the Merchant from RE4

Hearing him chuckle about buying a big goofy gun was the best

>>15388843

>Classes were unbearably bad with illusion of choices with no viable alternatives to the strict and still tempermental meta

Since you switch between the current state and the beta I'll answer with the current state in mind.

Currently, for the most part, classes have at least 2 builds and switching perks is viable, though there are still superior choices within some tiers.

>Tripwire actively shit on people doing HoE comparing their "normal" level difficulty to that of experiences 1500 hour KF1 veterans with their 1% HoE chievos.

That mmorpg pic.jpg

>Eventually Tripwire swung far the opposite direction and rather than making a Tough as Dick but Fair as God Game like KF1 just made the game disturbingly easy with all Classes Being Nigh Invincible and HoE a joke

How exactly?

The only baby mode class I recall is the berserker and partially medic. Demo, SS, Com, Sup - can't kite (that SS perk is shit and you can't build anything around it, EBR is garbage). Gunslinger - semi viable. Swat - the moment he runs out of armor (so pretty much instantly) he is in the same position as most other perks. And Survivalist - is the best perk.

>Gave up on a promised class Martial Artist because Parrying as a class design became to hard in the face of selling Cosmetics or Emotes

Sure, failing on delivering a promise is a bad thing, but is there any need for the class when we already have the berserker baby mode?

>Survalist, a recycled class made of all other classes who is mathematically provable to be the worse class in the game

You can't mathematically prove all metas to be not viable.

>and threat of Patriarch from the orignal have been dumbed down and made pathetic

Unless he is killed successfully on the first health bar he plays as hard as Hanz or as easy depending on how you look at it.

>>15388844

>JUST FIND A FUNNEL ON THE MAP INSTEAD CUZ THATS TOTALLY MORE INTESTING AND DIFFRENT FOR OUR COD AUDIENCE AHAHHAHAHA

Did you, like, ummm even play killing floor 1 or even the mod? Because it's pretty much all there is to it where the support mechanic doesn't change anything but creates more opportunities to execute the strategy at the cost of him not playing the game for the entire match. Well, sure, there is also the berserker door meta, but again, you really can't argue that those are drastically different than whatever you are criticizing there.

Fuck, even with fucking cancerous teleports, in KF2 it's way more viable to kite with non kite classes than it ever was in KF1.

The only difference, where in KF1 your whole 6 man team would be cramped inside a one way tunnel or two way at most, KF2 bumps it up to 2-3. And the anti camp small zed spawns while stupid on some maps - provide something for medics to do between the mindless play of whack-a-mole with their dart syringes (and potentially fighting with the hit detection mechanics that comes with it).

>MEMES

Le ironic shitposting is still shitposting - you are exaggerating.

>made up of military, PMC or anyone else they can get their hands on

>Humanity may be down to a couple hundred thousand or million people at most

Are we talking about the game that has a chicken costume, a robot and a chickenrobot that could fight elfs and christmas crackers on the moon?

>>15388829

It's because /V/ is one person and he is also gullible, so when the info came that TW as a company is ill with liberal and current year gaming industry cancer to some extent - he skipped on the purchase all together. And even if he did buy the game, he would most likely be shit and biased to the point of not being able to either properly defend or attack the subject matter.

I on the other hand could make a post covering redeemable points about the game, but I've just only discovered the thread and am planning to play vidya, before making a 2nd wall of text post.

>>15389223

>/V/

>>15389336

>/V/

I'm bit sorry that I'm not just simply listing the points for why KF2 is good, because I think it's a bit more nuanced than "it's current year gaming cancer" or "it is an improvement\fresh change over the KF formula".

>>15388806

>if you wanted an out of class weapon you had to pool Dosh into someone with that class so they can use the discount for you. Very disappointing.

Actually the saner thing to do was to start as a different class in the earlier waves and then when all the offperk weapons are in your loadout - switch to the perk you really want to use. But then you can also start as a different class to get a free crossperk weapon in kf2, though SWAT is the only true option.

Other than that the change removes the need to interact with people to do something as innate as buying equipment, which can be considered a good thing.

So in the end it's a matter of taste.

>another thing that's gone which is part of it was everyone being pistol only for the first round

Yeah, that AKSU pistol really held you back at the earlier waves when you spawned as a commando or that slow 1 round capacity m79 as demo.

> In contrast, KF1 had the slow level grind from beginning to end, which made earning each level feel pretty satisfying in my opinion.

You mean welding almost 0.4kk door hp was fun? Or killing 3.6k stalkers? Like, where you have way above requirements for damage with onperk weapons, but have to spend a few hours on a grind map to meet the secondary requirement which aren't something you can farm directly through normal gameplay.

> You can breeze through levels 1-20 but then you hit a brick wall trying to get to 25, which just feels kind of tilted

Well, there are only ZED time perks at lvl 25, not very essential unlike some perks below 21, you wouldn't want to be required to grind for essentials to embark on higher difficulties, do you? But yes, perk system needs some changes or tweaking, especially with prestige system.

>>15388829

>every class can kite

Wrong.

-> >>15389223

>while KF1 was about perfect map memorization, positioning and teamwork or you die 100%

Yeah. You really had to have shit tight, because even if a medic was throwing nades left and right and a support door-slave was covering your backdoor there is really nothing you could do if an enraged fleshpound busted your frontline open and killed a few people. Well, unless there was a berserker that was up and ready to kite. Yeah, berserkers really were OP they could pretty much kite and solo an entire wave. Shit's ridiculous since entire squad of berserkers and a medic was more viable than your normal meta, and no shit, people went for it for going for some of the tougher HoE maps.

Wait, that also applies to KF2, you are full of shit!

If it wasn't for the kf standalone, kf >>15388851 would be a great hardcore team based shooter. But this is the future you chose.

>>15388939

>the game is also different. It takes itself too seriously.

Are we talking about an absence of cheesy one-liners and ridiculous visuals, like the skeleton DOOT costume or steampunk characters? Because that shit is still there. Though the tone is indeed a bit different.

>>15388989

>it took him twice as much to get only 9 more achievements than me

>>15389081

Tell me about the more advanced team strategies in kf1 that even a retard wouldn't understand.

>>15389218

XBow was nerfed and the original game came only with the suicidal difficulty, both guns and HoE were a free DLC addition for the exception of the 2 packs that sold for even cheaper than the base game itself, which itself was dirt cheap.

>>15389542

>killing floor 2 lines censored

What were the lines? Obviously talking outside of the lines that were behind the voice command menu, the publicly voiced reason for cutting those is unconvincing for me as of yet.

>>15389864

>Thats because their mechanics have been dumbed down

I wouldn't call a mere stat reduction a dumb down. And them getting the timer on seeing you sounds way more reasonable, than being able to kite an entire wave with a non-kite perk simply via knowing the concept of kiting and not shooting the big guy.

Also, the stat reduction got compensated with the higher spawn rate and the possibility of having that increased big zed spawn split into even more quarter pounds. Thus, while strategically it's debatable, it certainly requires more advanced tactical decisions.

sjw elements

http://www.tripwireinteractive.com/policies/typical-end-user-license-agreement.aspx

>• Abuse other players in ways that are unwanted by those players, whether that be in terms of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, sexual harassment, gender, heritage or any other method that would be considered objectionable and/or inappropriate in a reasonable person's view.

if you buy and support this game any further, you are the cancer killing the industry as you tell corporations that you welcome this with open arms and that this is exactly what you want.

>>15388675

>Killing Floor 2 - What Happened?

boy i wonder why?

>>15390084

>twice as long

Shall I explain to you how you couldn't possibly know that based on the fact that I didn't show when the acheivos were unlocked?

As the shocking as it may seem, perhaps I dumped the hours in after the chievos because I had fun.

>>15389223

I'll address these in speed format.

>2 Viable Formats

Viable doesn't make meta, and I was also reffering to beta meta. You can win HoE with anything now, thats only because the game is piss easy.

>HoE

>Current state

>not literal brainlet mode

It's impossible to lose HoE unless you are retarded. Demo nuke despite its heavy nerf is still easy as fuck all to lock down and area. All maps have funnel positions with makes kiting irrelevant, and without door management to take up supports time you even have more manpower for holding, except it feels painfully hollow.

>Not delivering on a promise is a bad thing

>So enjoy this garbage anyway

no thanks

>You can't mathematically prove survalist is a bad class

But I actually can.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=834945919

Please direct yourselfe to the part where it details the math behind why "Survalist is Suboptimal

>Patriarch

>Hard

>Ever

Im really having a tough time believing you actually play this game.

>did you ever play KF1 or even the mod

You already know the answer. Door management was an important part of holding. Funnels were possible but no where near as prevelent or nessisary. Door holding was far superior in both atmospher, gameplay and challenge. Funneling is not. Even kiting which was KF1 equivelant of ez pz mode was tougher than funneling.

>Way more viable to kite in KF2

Perhaps now, because KF2 is a dumbed down game, but at the BETA it was not. I have a Webm on the way that will show you why.

>le ironic shitposting

okay animu "we are /v/" memester

>Near the end of KF1 lifecycle they stopped caring about atmospher

no contest here.

>>15390351

>I'll address these in speed format.

Well, the problem with that is that you aren't actually putting enough effort to address anything, let me show you an example by following in your steps.

>As the shocking as it may seem, perhaps I dumped the hours in after the chievos because I had fun.

>mfw you took it seriously

>no thanks

Nice arguments.

>>You can't mathematically prove

>Please direct yourself to the part…

Those are not your arguments and you aren't proving anything here, because otherwise poop writing on the walls prove many interesting things.

>>or as easy depending on how you look at it

>Patriarch

>Hard

That's why speed format doesn't work, you drop down to a level of toddler that can't read.

>Door management was an important part of holding. Funnels were possible but no where near as prevelent or nessisary.

Are you saying that funneling of all existing zeds trough a single doorframe has lesser effect than through 2 or 3? Because that's obviously retarded.

>okay animu "we are /v/" memester

>mfw you took it as me literally tone policing you

You are disingenuous.

>no contest here.

>mfw you try to tone police me in return

>mfw when there is a sentence that is inline with your views you suddenly know how to read behind a spoiler

Double hypocrite.

>>15390446

>I-I was only pretending

okay pal

>nice argument

it is. I don't consume garbage pal and I expect better from a game that carries the cult status of KF1.

>You can't mathematically prove

>Link him the evidence

>You didn't do that work

>So it's irrelevant

This is what you call damage control. Likewise this hill you are dying on after you are literally BTFO beyond recourse leaves me to believe you are shilling at this point.

>Patriarch really is hard

lmao, and King Fleshpound must be unbeatable to you.

>Into a door frame

Doors meant you could hold ANYWHERE

Funneling means you are confined to the limitation of the most META area of a map. Are you autistic?

>Le Skeptic Glasses

>Le Hypocrite egs D

okay pal.

Also heres that webm I promised of the amazing game mechanics of KF2. A rock solid game if I ever saw one.

>>15390466

> I don't consume garbage pal and I expect better from a game that carries the cult status of KF 1

> talking about kf standalone

I don't defend garbage pal and I expect better from a game that carries the cult status of Killing Floor.

>This is what you call damage control.

For me to damage control, you first need to do some damage and I didn't hear any arguments from you that could be capable of that. Feel free to point at any of them if you find.

>Patriarch really is hard

Nice doubling down on not being able to read, idiot.

>Funneling means you are confined to the limitation of the most META area of a map.

And that's different from kf1 or even kf exactly how? Still doesn't change your retarded statement that funneling of zeds through a single doorframe has lesser effect that through 2 or 3.

>>Le Skeptic Glasses

>>Le Hypocrite egs D

>okay pal.

No, John. You are the ironic shitposter.

>Also heres that webm I promised of the amazing game mechanics of KF2. A rock solid game if I ever saw one.

>Shows nothing prevalent in the game or of consequence

Even with your garbage speed reply format I sincerely believed that at least the webm would show some hot topic that one could sperg about. But nope, it is as shitty and as devoid of substance as your later posts.

>>15390516

>Le animu posting

Its probably time to stop

>Shifts goal posts to distract from him getting destroyed by math

I would expect nothing less from someone who compares facts to poop on walls kek

>IM SERIOUS PATRIARCH IS SO HARD

and Quarter pounders make me cry ;(

>I can chose from 50 options

>or 1

>THEY ARE THE SAME NO DIFFERENCE

Damage.cntrl

>smug posting

>y-youre the shitter

lmao

>Nothing prevelant

Yeah you know when Im kiting and focusing on whose behind me, closing a door and having the most powerful enemy in the game I had my eye on teleport behind me is A OK, good mechanics. 100% fine fair and balanced. Good stuff. Go ahead and count the enemies with the remainders, 3 Scrakes and 1 FP. Its literally undeniable evidence.

On a serious note now, how much is Tripwire paying you?

>>15390533

You are misinformed.

Quarter pounds, fleshpounds and king fleshpounds are 3 different things.

While fleshpounds got indeed weaker comparatively to kf1, they also got an increased spawn rate, became able to spawn enraged, have an enrage timer when they have visual contact with a player and can also have a chance to split into 4 or 3 quarter pounds on spawn, which has no restrictions or cooldowns.

>>15390542

>Its probably time to stop

Then why you aren't following your own advice? Or you simply can't allow me to have a last word in the conversation?

>Shifts goal posts to distract from him getting destroyed by math

>Still didn't provide any arguments himself.

If I wanted to argue with reddit or steam forums, I'd go there. Currently I'm arguing with you and you are as intellectually poor as reddit/9gag content recyclers, but at least they have some sense of staying where they won't be called out on that.

>I can chose from 50 options

>or 1

So, you are arguing that kf1 is far more lax on the camping strategy than kf2. Bravo, though at this point it's something I can expect from you.

>lmao

We can go on with this forever, and it would still be you who couldn't take the post beyond its literal meaning. But then again, I've explained literally what I have meant right after the initial message you were quoting, so even stupidity isn't a good enough excuse for your actions.

>Yeah you know when Im kiting and focusing on whose behind me, closing a door and having the most powerful enemy in the game I had my eye on teleport behind me is A OK, good mechanics. 100% fine fair and balanced. Good stuff. Go ahead and count the enemies with the remainders, 3 Scrakes and 1 FP. Its literally undeniable evidence.

> >>15390541

>fleshpounds can teleport

>message deleted

> >>15390544

At this point I don't even know if you are correcting mistakes, pulling some dumb shit or trying to be clean with your posts, because neither of these reasons, are, well, reasonable.

>On a serious note now, how much is Tripwire paying you?

The boy who cried shills.txt

I dunno, from 2 to 10$ a year excluding stuff I keep. Need to check my account info to be sure.

>>15390551

But thats the only description of how they could dumb down fleshpounds that was in your post.

Or do you think that I would accept your anecdotal evidence for how one should deal with FPs at face value?

And don't even try to defend yourself if your defense will consist of what I have stated literally just after the statement you quote, you'll look incredibly stupid.

>>15390610

>I SWEAR ON MY LIFE PATRAIRCH IS REALLY REALLY TOUGH MAN

And clots make me cri ;(

>M-maybe you should stop

but why? You've done more damage to yourself than I ever could have.

>You didn't discover for america yourself so you have no right to live there

This is your line of reasoning. You asked for mathematical proof its a inferiror class which was sourced. You then claim it doesn't count because I didn't write it myself. That's textbook dmg cntrl my dude.

>Camping in a game about literally drawing a red line in sand and fortifying positions

>It allowed for you to kite, camp or funnel

>KF2 only has 1 real playstyle

>all others are hollow husks of them former selfs

Forgive me for expecting a core game mechanic, but considering you'd be fine with them serving you shit instead of what they promised (already demonstrated) suffice it say we don't agree. I prefer more content and playstyles, to your CoD ADHD simulator.

>we can go like this forever

The pain for you can stop any time now my dude. Its a anonymous site.

>FP can't teleport

>The Webm literally proved they do

I know math and counting arent your strong suit "Math = Poop on walls" but thats excactly what happened. Please review the webm, use your fingers and try again.

>He doesn't know about posting errors or captcha eating posts

Yoshi, try as you might to fit In no ones buying it. Your shilling or this shit game. If I could refund it I would.

>>15390629

>You asked for mathematical proof its a inferiror class which was sourced.

You need to make a claim first, before any evidence is required.

I know what you are linking without looking at it and can safely say that it isn't a rebuttal to anything that I have said nor it's literally an undeniable proof to survivalist being an inferior class.

>It allowed for you to kite, camp or funnel

Please make a statement on how camping is different to funneling in principle, make a distinction between the two, because from my perspective you are creating two separate terms for the same concept 1 for the game that you like, the other for the one that you don't. And the actual difference you distinct those with is something so insignificant, that any autist would envy your dedication.

But that's just my perspective on things judging from what you've been saying.

>The pain for you can stop any time now my dude.

That's the point, I've set up the stage that I can quit any time and you cannot.

>Please review the webm, use your fingers and try again.

Ok, fleshpounds can't teleport, will that suffice?

>He doesn't know about posting errors or captcha eating posts

I know perfectly well about those, but your post was perfectly fine on it's own. But then you've had to make a post that chains your double post together >>15390544 and then delete one of your messages while keeping all the other. That's why it doesn't make sense.

>If I could refund it I would.

And there are reason to do so.

>>15390665

Truth to an extent.

>>15390672

>I never made a claim

I don't need a wall for this one.

>also

>Still Denies the webm

lmao

>>15390665

>and then the most recent patches re-killed it.

I can agree, especially the 9mm nerf because "idz a baggup gun :DDD".

>>15390723

He can't though. He still has to earn his 2 cents a post or else John Gibson will cut him off.

>>15390737

This guy gets it.

>>15390672

also, in the words of the Internets greatest cancer reformer, BONUS MEME

>>15390688

Oh, you flatter me. At this point it's safe to assume, that you need a helping hand of explaining what I've meant, because it's obvious that you can't figure it out on your own what I'm saying is that you are showing signs of having something along the lines of an Aspergers syndrome, and that I'm not the one to knowingly punch down a mentally deficient person. And there is also a fact that people seem to be catching on >>15390723.

>Survivalist - is the best perk

This phrase was said within a structural list of how viable the perks are at kiting. And while I do believe partially in what I have said literally, in the context it doesn't make sense and was intended both as an opinion and a run of the mill type joke, where you say some controversial, perceived to be an exaggerated statement as spoiler.

As for the opinion in the context of the list, Survivalist is the best class because it can kite (i.e. it has a speed boost and a synergy of his perks and passives that allow that), it's not a berserker and it can parry.

Outside of that he also has the best setups for demo type trash cleaning and while carrying something like an RPG or a RG - is not completely defenseless when the position is compromised and his team decides to leg it. Sure, he is not a strong hitter (as in, "can't drop a big zed within 2 shots on 6p HoE" and not "can't contribute significant damage"), but he is also not bound by any rules and rituals someone as SS or Demo have to abide. That's why I'm stating that you can't prove the opposite mathematically, because the differences that are relevant either aren't quantifiable or insufficiently calculated to make a reasonable direct comparison.

I think that covers at least the general idea of that statement.

>Still Denies the webm

I'm not denying anything. Fleshpounds can't teleport. If there is a webm, then sure, they probably could teleport, which doesn't affect my argument in the slightest. The fact is that they can't now.

>inb4 ">I was only pretending to be retarded" lmao

And this is where you are bound to make a mistake.

>>15390737

But after you've done all of that, how is it different in principle from just sitting in a spot that has two-three exits where one is constantly being welded shut by a door slave only one exit? You are still sitting in a single spot and shooting at zeds that stack up at the only doorway they can go through.

>>15390741

That's a rhetorical proof. And while it is visually effective, survivalist has no reason to ever pick up an AK unless he really wants to abuse the dmg modifiers specifically as a survivalist, for some reason. For example, there is only a single perk that affects it, while for other weapons there can be three relevant perks excluding the weight increasing one.

The problem with survivalist is not that it's bad, it's that it is as gimmicky and specialized as any other class, but is advertised as a perfect all rounder.

>>15388675

I think it's fun.

My only complaint is that it's been out for like two years now. By the time KF1 was out for two years, it had way more content in general. Characters, guns, maps, the works.

>>15390779

>I never made a claim

>well I did but it doesn't count

LMAO

>i-its the best kiter tho!

>has a literal 1.23% damage bonus over lvl 0's doing the same thing

>HAS BACKPEDALED 4 FUCKING TIMES ON HIS STATEMENTS, FROM DENYING TO NOW AMENDING

Jesus please stop, my sides can't take it anymore!>>15390779

>>15390743

>9mm post update on GS

I could've understood using the 9mms as a SWAT to some extent, but when the only advantage as GS the 9mm has over free of charge akimbo 1858s is the mag capacity and price, it's not worth it at all, better just keep the akimbo 1858s all the way to the end, they are better backups as GS.

I'm gonna do some math here, correct me if I'm wrong because I slept in math class when I was a kid:

>A 9mm has 25 basic damage, 90 ammo capacity, 15x2 mag capacity, and a £150 price tag to go akimbo. Price for a mag (15 rounds) is £12.

>A 1858, meanwhile, has 50 basic damage, 144 ammo capacity, 6x2 cylinder capacity, and a £100 price for each gun, but akimbo 1858's are given free of charge when you spawn. Cylinder price (6 rounds) is £10.

As such, the only advantages the 9mm has over the 1858 is the mag capacity and price (12 rounds of 1858 are more expensive than 15 9mm rounds), as well as its weight.

>Both guns benefit from all gunslinger perks.

>At level 0, a fully upgraded 9mm gets it's damage buffed up to twice it's base damage (25*2=50), which is the same damage has an upgraded 1858. It doesn't make it worth at all because of the needed cash to fully upgrade it (£3500 total).

>At level 25, 9mm gets buffed to 25+(25%*25) = 31.25 base damage, while a 1858 gets buffed to 50+(25%*50) = 62.5 base damage. Again, It's not worth it to make the 9mm as powerful as a 1858 because of the price.

As such, the only moment the 9mm is a better back up is when you're against one or two clots, or you cannot wield an extra 1858 because you're out of inventory space. What's the point of the 9mm as GS anymore?

>>15390779

Bystander here, LMAOing at your life.

>>15390989

>is it worth upgrading the 1858s?

let me see:

>full upgrade 1858 needs £3300, buffs the damage up to 50*2.5=125 and increases weight up to 4+4=8 akimbo

>full upgrade AF2011 needs £1500 + £1500 to buy akimbo, so £3000 total, buffs the damage up to 53*x1.125=59.625 (since you fire 2 bullets per trigger pull, it adds up to 119.25) and increases weight up to 6+2=8 akimbo

>full upgrade .500 magnum needs £1500 + £1500 to buy akimbo, so £3000 total, buffs the damage up to 160*x1.15=184 and increases weight up to 6+2=8 akimbo

I might need to include ammo capacity and price, and the general feeling (recoil, reload speed, etc…) to have a more precise opinion over it, but compared to the AF2011, the slight damage advantage might not be enough to counter the slightly superior mag size, ammo capacity and penetration of the pistols.

I could see it as a high ammo capacity/low damage counterpart to the .500 magnums, but I doubt it is worth shelling £300 more for a more practical, yet definitely less powerful gun. That doesn't make it a gun that can't do it's job fully upgraded, I just don't see the appeal the extra price compared to the other guns.

>>15391091

some faggotry and another broken promise: martial artist.

The amount of depression i have for KF2's development being funded into shit like paid characters instead of actual content updates is heavy

and then you get people saying shit like "well they gotta fund the game somehow"

YEAH,CAUSE A FUCKING MICROTRANSACTION SHOP,STEAM ECONOMY,AND THE GAME ITSELF COSTING MONEY WASN'T ENOUGH

>>15392124

I guess they looked at Payday 2 and thought if they could pull the same stuff without getting noticed.

>>15392131

It's just so fucked,in kf1 paid shit was like a pack of new weapons for 6-7 bucks,which was overpriced as fuck,but it was still decent content

here the paid content is all cosmetic and it's made the whole game so fucking goofy because people go around in a zombie apocalypse looking like they're at comic-con

Despite this bullshit i still enjoy the game whenever there's a new update with content,and i think the gameplay itself is fine,but goddamn waiting for those actual content updates instead of shilled bullshit is tough.

It really isn't that bad, I have been getting into again for the first time in a long time lately. I am disappointed that we didn't get the martial artist, and it is obvious that Tripwire has no idea what they are doing with the perk builds, but aside from that it is still a fun game. The cash shop shit doesn't really bother me because it is just cosmetic, it isn't like they do not offer a fair variety of costumes and characters for free, so you shouldn't feel compelled to purchase anything. That being said, they should have definitely finished the game before they started implementing cash shop shit, and for that matter, they should have never released the game in early access. I think the reason that the player base is so low, is because they had an early access release.

As for people complaining about the difficulty, I think it is much harder than Killing Floor 1, on harder difficulties. You cannot just hold your cross hairs at head level now, as the zeds bob and weave, and there are a lot of them that require you to use different tactics due to headblocking, armor, etc. In KF1 HoE was a lot more "tactical", but in KF2 I think you are allowed a lot more versatility in team composition. In KF1 you NEEDED a Sharpshooter, Medic, and Demo almost every time on harder difficulties, in 2 you are a lot more free to mix and match.

I am not altogether satisfied with how it turned out, but still enjoy it quite a bit for a good grind game. I hope they continue to support it long into its lifespan like they did with KF1, because I still want a HSG and Dwarf Axe. If you haven't played for a while, you ought to give it a try again. It would be fun to get a /v/ group going.

>>15392094

>keeping track of people that you assume to be faggots with shit taste

Get out of the closet and send him a friend invite.

>>15391314

Asking people to buy guns whenever you go for any particular loadout is mundane, redundant and unreasonable, especially for people who are not that much into social interaction in the first place.

>>15391106

AF2011 and Deagles aren't competing for the same slot. The best loadout is Deaglesx2, AF2011d and HM101 or Deaglesx1, AF2011d with .500m. Having 3 pairs of pistols while fine is really unnecessary.

>the weaker guns could definitely have more appeal.

They do already, not all of them and not at t5, but they definitely do have an appeal specifically because of the upgrade system.

>I wonder what kind of meta we could have if we could upgrade without the need to increase weight

It would probably change upgrades to irrelevant boosts that change jack shit that would only work for endless mode.

>>15391031

You are doing it wrong. Going to t5 is almost never worth it especially with you're whole loadout, what you need to do is minmax and to minmax you need to understand what you are building and how you are going to do it. Here is a spreadsheet that I have made, that I'm planning to use to build a comprehensive guide out of whenever I'll get the time for finishing it (which would probably be postponed by the upcoming update).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TCb6UmYRrtV75_8ivMv4do9tHy8uhAPg4IcvX_OE364

Also, you are a fucking retard if you are taking d.500s. Ever. Unless you are going for bodyshot penetrations or something.

>>15391017

Where do you think we are?

>>15390989

1858 t3 puts it at 80 damage, while m1911 to 70 while not increasing weight of the gun.

What it means is that for example, to reach the 100 clot\cyst bodyshot breakpoint 1858 requires 25% boost and m1911 - 43%. Whichever the case, a single .500m or spitfire is always better.

>>15390833

Again, you don't understand what you are doing. Strength of upgrading a single 9mm is that it's never going to weight more than 0 units. And while I can't currently pinpoint when 9mm becomes great (since my 9mm dmg calculation is currently flawed) I can say for certain that it can now bodyshot crawlers and performs great against bloats (due to exclusive damage modifiers).

>>15390881

I believe no one will contest that berserker is a broken class and on top of that not fun, not because it is a melee class, but because all of its proper weapons are semi auto (that weird burst auto mode doesn't help either, especially if you are building around heavy strikes). And eviscerator with VLAD have problems of their own, like the former one is broken and the only thing the recent nerf did is increase the time it takes for eviscerator zerker to finish a wave. And the latter, well, it doesn't fit anywhere but supports loadout. So I never see a point of comparing anything with that.

>Just give support a m79 or an RPG

RPG has shit AoE, and m79 works better with 30% range increase, especially if you stack it with upgrade system range increase, and it would also have the passive damage boost that would also increase its lethal range even further, also support doesn't get all 20 slots until lvl 25 where survivalist gets it at 15, which is way way easier to reach (though my mention of demo range increase makes it a lvl 20 requirement, which is still much more manageable). And support neither has a speed boost, nor damage reduction, nor heavy armor, nor instant zed time reloads, nor has a need to carry a proper melee weapon that would allow him to shave off, what is it 20-30% more damage (i.e. 50-60% + the passive damage reduction) off of a big zed attack when trying to run away or simply block the advance.

m79x2, Pulverizer, M4 is a better option than an RPG (or boosted M79 with some off perk, though at that point why would you go for 2 out of 3 off perk weapons as support is beyond me)+AA12, hell, I'd say ditch AA12 and go with M4+DBB/HZ12 or something first since you aren't going to selfsustain on a frontline with that setup.

>Hell hes not even a good medic

I have never said that. Especially since the only choice is HM301 which is currently garbage, though HM501 might change things around.

>You subject yourself and your team to a terrible playstyle and inferior class slot.

If your team is reliably getting wiped and the only reason it is holding is because berserker has some grasp on a concept of kiting there is no role you could fill that could make things better. You could try to put it on life support with insane heals with medic, but at this point the question is - do they deserve it and the answer is no.

Other than that it doesn't matter if you are not reaching those 1-2 hit thresholds, because that's the job of a dedicated trashmob-useless glass cannon that survivalist is not.

Survivalist is an intermediate role between a big zed killer a kiter and a trash cleaner, which only works with just a handful of weapons and if he can pull his own weight by being able to singlehandedly kill scrakes and challenge FPs without putting the team in danger - what is your problem with that? If you have suspicions about people picking the class, then sure, be suspicious, because most people are trash and survivalist doesn't have an on surface meta that someone could immediately pick up, but that doesn't make survivalist any less viable in proper hands than any other class.

Continuing with the topic of unpopular opinions, firebug is a better berserker and a more fun gunslinger. Change my mind.

>>15392927

Well the good news anon is that they're Porting the FN FAL and STG 44 in the Holloween update along with a new Medic Gun (Basically Assualt Rifle that has a underrail Healing Gernade Launcher)

source:

https://steamcommunity.com/games/232090/announcements/detail/1664528122510289295

>>15395393

What does it matter when you can mod it to your liking?

>>15395378

The bigger problem with this is that unless STG weighs 5 units it's completely redundant and probably even overshadowed by other weapons, like AK in burst for example.

They'd better fix in all ways inferior L85A2 first before introducing even more weapons in an already unimaginative commando loadout selection.

Though FAL being crossperk with SS is nice, hope it does at least 250+ ammo spare and that sweet double tap on auto from kf1 to make M14 obsolete.

>>15395408

It's a beast on lower difficulties (that x1.8 dmg mod on t5 and dirt cheap ammo) and falls flat with the latter ones. The biggest problem is its lack off ammo reserves to serve as a dedicated ZED deepfrezing machine with 130+ ZEDs on the wave counter.

I thought we all collectively agreed, before KF 2 even came out, the devs were SJWs and the series turned into shit and not to buy it?

>>15388675

3 things that I hate about KF2. Firstly thing I hate is EXP tied to Class instead of weapon. In KF1 i mainly played berserker but managed to level up marksman and medic plenty from using the hand gun and healing my team mates when neccessary, now it's just select whatever perk and grind mindlessly.

Secondly the spawn system. In KF1 there were spawn points on the map where zeds would flood in. In KF2 there are spawn points on the map but they are switched on and off by the game AI director. So when you think you're moving and controlling the Zeds well it actually doesn't matter because the AI will just drop them behind you all the time.

Thirdly, doors don't respawn between rounds. In KF1 controlling and mobility was very good but some teams liked to control an area by tactical welding and creating killzones. Doors not respawning and the game spawning shit behind you make welding doors pointless and its just a run and gun whilst patrolling certain "good" spots.

>>15395638

>>Getting hit not only fills your screen with shitty-looking jelly blood screen, but also blurs your entire screen like you're myopic

Are you confusing the actually reasonable blood screen effect (i.e. it indicates something useful while not making you blind in the process) with getting covered in bloat bile?

>>No crosshairs, which is retarded in its own right for a game that's not even marketed as being realistic

For massive casuals like you they've made an option to turn them on.

>>ADS animations are acid bile vomit all around

Are you talking about a muzzle climb which is natural when shooting a gun?

>>15395849

>No, because you never play the enemy's game.

I'm not here to take sides you tribalistic fuck, if the game is good which also includes any potential influences there were on the game then the game is good period. I don't care who the developer is and what does he do in his free time as long as it doesn't affect me, and the shit that is parroted from thread to thread either didn't cause any action whatsoever, or was so insignificant that you have to be literally autistic to make it a reason why the entire game is bad.

>>15396162

Don't be that one defeatist cuck, concerns need to be raised freely and if you do have something against them, then refute them with your counter arguments.

>>15396854

If having an echochamber means I don't have to hear dumbshit leftists and centrists telling me that I should totally still buy a game even though the people developing it and running the company producing directly insult its customers and fanbase.

>>15388675

Killing Floor 1 was already on the edge of being jewish bullshit, so it's just natural that kf2 pushes it even further. Just look at all the dlc in kf1. Back then I was able to forgive them because they where a small team, but since then they released new games and pulled even more jewish bullshit. Even all the microtransactions aside, the fact that they want to make a more serious game should signal you that it's going to be cancer.

>>15397002

What was the poll about?

>Yes, you clearly believe in believe a braindead leftist. I pity you.

Please state exactly, what are my beliefs and what have made you think that.

If me disagreeing with you puts me on the far left then you are not different than an SJW that claims everything he disagrees with - nazi.

>>15397003

Agree, that doesn't make an actual game bad though.

>>15397011

If you are going to keep replying, then you clearly are concerned with my opinion.

Also, it's you who is advocating for slippery slope into degeneracy.

>>15397038

>So you take no issue with what he's saying?

He can say whatever the fuck he wants, as long as it doesn't influence me or the game.

>You're the outsider here dipshit

>outsider

I'm no tribalistic fuck unlike you, to be moved by such words. But you rise a fair point, no one is going to reach any kind of agreement when going with such ultimatum based approach. I'm sorry for bringing it up in the first place, I should've thought better.

>Christ that's shameful.

>shame shame!

Are you serious with this crap?

>>15397078

Oh, I didn't check ids.

Them - people who are acting like they have some principles or standards but don't do jack but argue these points only on imageboards, which in your opinion doesn't change shit.

>I am not saying "who cares" exactly.

But there is part in that argument that induces apathy, like "it's no use", "there is nothing you can do" and so on.

Nah, you are fine.

>>15397051

I'd rather fuck your ass, sweetheart. Drop your pants down and rise up your ass. What are you even trying to accomplish with this?

>>15397107

>What was the poll about?

If you weren't clinically retarded you'd be able to follow context clues. Did you even read the picture that you said was totally fine?

>He can say whatever the fuck he wants, as long as it doesn't influence me or the game.

>or the game

He's directly saying that no matter how bad the community wants something in the game he'll abuse his position as president to overrule it.

Can you make a single post without sticking your foot in your mouth dipshit? So far it looks like no.

>I'm no tribalistic fuck unlike you,

Pic related.

> I'm sorry for bringing it up in the first place, I should've thought better.

If thinking better was something you were capable of you wouldn't have made half the posts you have in this thread. You're a retard through and through, keep on desperately trying to be unique, all you're accomplishing is making a fool of yourself.

>Are you serious with this crap?

I should've known better than to think an autist knows what shame is, you need self-awareness for that.

>>15397130

>Did you even read the picture that you said was totally fine?

Yes, but I need to hear it from you. How you are personally invested in the issue. If your only points are about politics you disagree with, then in principle it wouldn't even matter for you if the game existed or not, and in that case your points are irrelevant to both this thread and the board (for the exception of the GG thread and the pol threads).

>He's directly saying that no matter how bad the community wants something in the game he'll abuse his position as president to overrule it.

And he has all the right to do it. And you as a customer have all the right to judge him on that and what the result of that is. And if you weren't interested in the game in the first place, then you never had a right to judge, at least with your actions.

What I have been stating is that even though he is a cunt, as far as games go - they didn't reflect his influence drastically. RO2 is still breddy gud, KF2 is still breddy gud, Rising storm I disliked for personal reasons - but it was well received, and RS2 follows the same pattern that all the other games did unless I am misinformed, then you have all the right to educate me. And the actual SJW influence was so negligible, that by todays SJW standards i.e. degeneracy KF2 is a fucking atrocity.

>Pic related.

No, exactly you, and everyone who you associate as your collective is fucking dumb, because you are falling into the same trap the people that you oppose do. Also

>"ur are not a lefty, ur a dumb centrist"

>moving goal posts

With that in mind - you are in no right to judge the quality of my character or of my arguments.

>all you're accomplishing is making a fool of yourself.

If that exposes your stupidity as well - it is fine by me, because that's what I am set to accomplish in the first place.

>using autism and shame as leverage on an imageboard

You are definitely new, retarded or both. But feel free to go on.

>>15397145

I do for what I am saying. Do you?

>>15397160

>is not influencing the game

I have never said that.

He did influence how, I believe, the RO2 community turned out to be and he probably had a hand in turning TW forums into a dumpsterfire. But a single character, that's not even about the agenda is a laughable argument for making a case for how the influence have ruined the game.

>>15397179

>if these are your real opinions

Yes and no.

The most direct reply to your point was addressed to a post earlier, so I went with the logical continuations that would follow that, but yes without this:

>>Agree, that doesn't make an actual game bad though.

my reply didn't have much substance.

>>15396793

>>15396646

>not just turning off the blur effect in the options

Real talk though, is anyone turned off of KF2 simply because of how twitchy everything feels?

original kf had everything at its pace and when that pace broke you knew shit was getting real, now they've got even the fucking clots bouncing around like ADHD kids on cocaine.

>>15397273

Source?

>>15398837

>Welding doors is useless

They affect ZED pathfinding.

>no accurate way of telling how much health is left

Model changes with some amount of hp lost. You could always try looking the stats up.

>and they never even last one round making most camping strats impossible with them

1. Farmhouse is the prime example that it works.

2. It just now requires more effort, than having a single guy sit there and repair the door. I bet that if people went for something like 2 supports + demo door buff, then the strat would work out even better than it did in 1, since it wouldn't be so braindead boring.

>Xbow stun is bugged

I've never heard of it, what I do know is that you can't activate some status effects when one of the other ones is active.

>Survivalist, easily the worst perk in the game

fite me

>Rae Higgins exists

What's wrong with her, outside the tone of her voice? Her customization options are probably the best in the game though.

>>15398854

I think the community just doesn't have enough cooperation potential to utilize the door mechanics properly. But doors do probably need to have a bit more hp.

>>15399540

No he is not my friend, pal.

Doesn't show any results, no public outrage, no articles, nothing. The only things that pop up are private server bans aka random admins powertripping, EULA and the bikini poll. And some blue pill steam forum topics.

>>15399556

I'm pretty sure I saw people bundle-dropping all of their cash, don't know if stack size change is possible, but the rate at which you can drop them - definitely so.

>>15399580

>Penetration is still in KF2 you dumb fucking retard.

To be fair, supports weapon initial penetration is abysmal (also the drop off), and zeds aren't exactly lining up through a single doorway most of the time, so it is factually less effective than it was. Also, I believe ragdolls are eating through your penetration values too, so that's another downside.

>>15397422

The thing is, it was even better in kf 2.5.

>>15398878

>What are avatars?

Also, thanks.

>>15397674

Didn't save, you could try searching for ~5 star sadpanda august 24th (and earlier) 2015 entries.

>>15400897

>>15401167

>>15401178

> 6936dc

wew

>>15401167

>>15401178

>>15401185

well that explains the "christian metal".

i'm getting distinct vibes of sodomy via fencepost though.

Lol someone got all of the proxies I'm using banned by being a huge faggot.

>>15391091

>objective mode

Lets be honest, official objective mode was garbage or at the very least questionable. And were there even that many good story maps in the first place? The only ones I remember are Clandestine and the Resident Evil one that was actually stitched together from 2 story maps one of which already existed in kf 2.5. Oh yeah, also the tower one.

Either way objective type maps are also possible in KF2, so yeah.

>tripwire bought it and released it as their own. for that reason i think they never really understood the underlying mechanics of the game that make the higher difficulties so deep and rewarding to learn.

>vid related is kf standalone

Wasn't it already under TW wing on release?

>>15402460

>>15392135

>Well at least OyVeyKill removed the drill shit, unlike TripKike

Both wrong.

Overkill still has drills, but for way less types of safes.

And tripwire too has introduced free to open chest. In fact you can get way more skins per month than you do in PD2.

>>15402460

>>15392190

>Yeah and if you didn't like the ten billion dlcs for payday now you can just buy the whole game for like twenty dollars

>while removing the ability to by individual dlcs

Yeah, being forced to buy all the unnecessary weapon/character/mask dlcs to get a dlc exclusive heists isn't kikery at all.

>>15392195

Are they really or is that they are just left out of options, being forced to milk their only successful game?

>>15397550

>I'd be fine with if it was a gameplay mechanic,

But it is a gameplay mechanic. I believe it was introduced after release and made as a separator between lower and higher difficulties. It triggers by you either aiming at, shooting or aiming a turned on flashlight in the general zed direction, so for the exception of crawlers, being the only zed type that can actually dodge bullets, you just have less time aiming and less room for error.

>>15400534

Battlefield 3 is fun. You don't need to buy more than 1 nu-BF though.

>>15405027

>Radical centrist

>implying it's a derogatory term that I would try distancing myself from

It makes you look ridiculous first and foremost.

Gun stats

>M99 status affliction buffs

>Doomstick substantial buff across the board

>Deagle upgrade nerf to 1.25 and 1.4 (still 2 strong)

>1858 upgrade nerf for the exception of the t3 (i.e. the only tier where it matters)

>AK12 upgrades nerfed down to below average AR multipliers - 1.15 and 1.3

>M203 got a 300%(?) buff to its effective explosion range (Why?)

>HM301 RoF nerf backpedaling

>L85A2 is still trash

New guns

>T4.5 med gun (2k$) that enables medic to be able to exp farm while also leaving room for the best healing machine - HM401

>FN FAL the only fully automatic gun for SS that has stupid long delay on single shot mode and somewhat underwhelming ammo reserves (180)

>Mkb that you are required to unlock first

Another promotional weapon for berserker the worst class, now from Road Redemption (alright Road rash clone) the unique thing about is that it weighs 5 units

<HM501 borrows HM401 skins on initial launch and stretches them across the model making sights unusable

<FN FAL has drastically different shot sounds between firing modes and has a shoulder model that fps camera can clip through and also doesn't have a two bullet burst on either of the firing modes

General changes

>first map that has, for once, useful traps

>Prestige rank 2 - new batch of lvl 0s on suicidal and HoE!

>Seasonal zed replacements with increased head hitbox sizes

>QoL sound que on running out of trader time

>crutch style nerf of rioters for the earlier waves of HoE

>abomination buff

Misc.

>Vault crate is now bloated with even more skins!

>menu interface reshuffle

>matchmaking reworked

>>15413152

>In fact you can get way more skins per month than you do in PD2.

That's a awful thing to think about considering you have had to pay for the game to begin with

How did we get to this point, where we're paying for the right to be nickle and dimed

>>15424024

>But are the guns fun?

FAL - B, HM501 - C, Redeemer - B-.

>To be exact they removed the need for drills for safes dropped after they said safes wouldn't require drills anymore.

My memory tells this to not be exactly true for 2 reasons:

1. After the drama happened both paid and free to unlock safes were in circulation.

2. When they have switched to free safes there were way fewer chests that required unlocking than what there can be observed on the market.

Conclusion: they still have been releasing locked safes even after they have implemented free safes.

>And yeah it has free to open chests but it's safe shit that you can't trade or sell.

Sure, but in comparison, I have like 14 pages of KF items, and barely half a page in payday.

Also, there is really no point opening the free safes in PD2 because the majority of items is dirt cheap, to the point that if you were to trade a relatively old chest, you could buy several pages many skins with stat boosts around a fifth of them also being in mint condition (though most of them would be of the lowest rarity). Where in comparison the vault chest gives out precious cosmetics like candy, but you don't have to deal with the market.

>>15424193

Because only there you could experience 9mm deagles, single shell quad shot and do seasonal challenges prematurely leaving you free to do whatever you want when the update gets released, compared to being stuck completing challenges on a single map, until you can enjoy seasonal zeds on any other map. Also, your stats are tracked and you get the drops, so you aren't loosing anything by playing a preview version early (well, outside of having a smaller selection of servers).

>implying I care bout halloween

>>15424153

The moment gaming industry grew out of B-A studios shifting focus to money making. Now paycheck is split to more than a handful of nerds and the void hasn't been filled to any competent degree. The only hope is of indie devs to somehow be incentivized to evolve.

>>15418111

>Gunslinger gets fucking nothing except nerfs on Deagle and 1858 upgrades

Excuse me, what the fuck