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>>15374208

>ISOT mod

Oh, that would be really fucking fun. I’d love to see someone take a bunch of nations and ISOT them, making mods for each.

So how long until the new DLC for ck2 comes out?

Im waiting for it to come out to update all mods and such.

>>15374222

whats this dlc/mod?

>>15374485

>playing with Devil LARPers and Aztecs

pretty disgusting tbh

>>15374639

It's not really larping since the devil actually exists in CK2.

>>15375162

I am so confused

>>15375797

I got a claim on the Aztec Empire. I pressed it and took the Aztec Empire. This means as far as the game is concerned I am the Aztec Empire and it notices that the Aztec Empire has just "conquered" Constantinople and Iceland.

I show up as Suomi because that's my primary title.

Did anyone ever continue the jewish CK2 game people were playing together?

>>15376945

No, if you want to continue it here's the latest save: https://www.sendspace.com/file/o0tu5v

>>15374208

>West hasn't been settled yet

>Territory still divided into arbitrary state lines

I didn't think you would trigger me, but you did.

>>15377547

That’s why we need to be able to draw our own lines on the map in these games. If the map is converted to a vector system, then all the calculations can be redone with calculus and we can get a truly in-depth nation-building system.

For example, instead of having a single “resources” layer, every resource could have its own layer, and there would be blobs (of varying shape and size) denoting where certain resources are. There’d be a coal layer, a wood layer, a diamond layer, an oil layer, etc. They’d overlap in places, so certain regions would be MUCH more useful than others. Like, you know, reality.

On top of that, there would be religion and culture layers, with blobs of growing and shrinking regions thereof. In most cases, cultures with religious of a different religious group (christianity vs. islam, for example) would change the religion automatically WITH the culture change in most cases (side note: genocide capability for fuck’s sake). And then, religions in the same “religious group” would have separate layers (protestantism, catholicism, and orthodoxy, for example) and would change separately from a culture change.

And finally, atop all the resources, cultures, and religion, THE USER WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DRAW HIS OWN INTERNAL BORDERS. Have the system help you by being able to “snap” to rivers, continental divides, and lines of latitude/longitude if you choose, but also you can just draw it freehand. You would have to manage your borders intelligently, or else get revolts/poor administration/lose shit-tons of money.

For example, you’ve just annexed a new region that has the same culture group, but a different religion. You can choose to make the new region its own “state” (I’ll use the US terminology) in your nation, and while it will be happier (lower revolt risk), it will probably want higher autonomy and special laws (which will make your other regions upset). Conversely, you can redraw your older, neighboring regions to split up the new region, which will increase revolt risk (people don’t like multiculturalism) but also increase assimilation rate.

And that’s not even talking about resources. If you’re colonizing the Americas and make yourself a single huge state out west, it’ll have a shit-ton of resources (but poor administration since it’s so big) and higher population, and thus be richer and more powerful than your other states… which will be very upset at you for throwing off the balance of power like that. Or you make a state too small and all your other states get upset (that so few people get the same representation as them), AND it has no natural resources (because it’s just bare desert where there are no resource blobs), so it’s a money drain for your entire nation.

How hard, computationally, would this be to do?

>>15377607

>How hard, computationally, would this be to do?

Dynamically changing vectors for borders? Shit, nigga, that is extremely difficult even without any of the added layer shit you mentioned afterwards. The drawing itself would be simple, provided you added assloads of help tools so that one wouldn't need pixel-perfect lines to get what he wants, etc., but then you need to realise that you would somehow need to program the AI to be able to do the same, and realise the full scale and futility of this task. The necessary programming to make the AI make use of this, explaining shit like "this is the ocean, you can't draw there" or "this area has lots of resources, you want that" would be insane in an already CPU-intensive genre, the decision making would scale to ridiculous levels, and worst of all, even if you were successful somehow, you'd just have extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY ugly bordergore as a result after just a few wars, since the AI isn't going for aesthetics and isn't gonna care about some historical clay or whatever unless you also program that in as an additional mechanic.

To put things into scale, understand that the "provinces" are actually just a graph with nodes. There is a set amount of nodes that do not change, each having some properties (resources, population, income, etc.) and that are only accessible from some other nodes in the graps. The entire AI decision making is thus extremely simplified. Right off the bat, when the AI asks for new clay, it will only consider the nodes it can access, which shrinks the list down considerably (as opposed to vector based where you could, at best, tell it it has a maximum amount of area that it can annex - a massive problem in its own right as you'd be working with real numbers rather than just integers), and then simply pick the one most valuable (value being computed through some sort of an algorithm; it's not terribly difficult to do except get the balancing right). Without provines, you do a while dimensional shift of sorts, away from a graph structure. It's like comparing the complexity of a skateboard and of a modern car. Making an AI that would be able to work with this would be quite a challenge, but likely be possible. But in a game where you have dozens or even hundreds of countries, each with it's own AI? It'd cook your CPU immediately. Hell, even just one would be pretty resource intensive at the best of times.

Were someone to attempt this, he would likely very soon feel the need to discrecionalise the whole thing, so that he has some sort of a minimal unit to work with. In doing so, all of the above would be possible, but it would once again simply be provinces, only with a different name and with insane amounts of them if he picked units that are too small. In a way, that's what Imperator: Rome seems to be doing with all those bajillion tiny provinces everywhere.

To sum it up, what you propose is not practically (although it is theoretically) possible at present time, or in the near future, simply due to AI. Were it to be a multiplayer-only game where each and every state has a player, this would probably be possible even now.

HFM Edits guy around? What do you think about adding Indian indentured servants to Guyana, and basing the Organize [Colony] decisions on Nat&Imp like in older HPM?

>>15377607

Your best bet would be to make the game tile based (like Civ 5, with hexes), but have the tiles very small so that from a world view you can't tell the difference between them and an infinite resolution system.

I'm pretty sure there's some GSG that already does this.

>>15378063

>I'm pretty sure there's some GSG that already does this.

Now I remember, it's Superpower 2. Kind of crap and I don't recall if its possible to directly draw borders, but it's set up the way you'd want for dynamic borders and resources/pops.

>>15377607

What you're talking about is making my underwear wet, but would probably make a computer melt if ever tried.

>>15378063

the moment you go for tiles or similar is when you have provinces, just with a different name. It would literally work the same way, and Paradox is steadily moving in this direction in HoI4 and Imperator are anything to judge by. What anon described was not having any such minimal unit like a tile and working with vectors. That's a different thing entirely.

>>15375162

>>15375159

>>15375138

>>15375092

>>15374485

This is atrocious. What is even the point of playing at this stage?

>>15378025

Werent they from pakistan?

I thought they were muslims.

>>15378114

Small enough tiles are indistinguishable from not having tiles at all

Realistically speaking true vectors are impossible since everything is quantized.

>>15378160

>Small enough tiles are indistinguishable from not having tiles at all

There's a big difference between having a large amount of tiles, where each signifies some amount of resources, etc. (which is how provinces work right now), and between not having any such thing and computing all these things at runtime from vectors. It might seem the same to the end user, but the implementation is radically different, and anon asked for vectors. Again, if it's just about making provinces smaller and smaller to allow more dynamicity in borders, Paradox is already working on it (and fucking it up with those retarded State mechanics lifted from Vicky 2 but that's beside the point).

>>15378025

Sure, but you're gonna have to elaborate so I have a better idea of what I'm gonna do.

So far I've added so much shit for this update a little bit more won't do any harm.

>>15377607

Most of what you're talking about isn't that hard to implement. Of course the devil is always in the details. Polygonal regions is just like handling polygon drawing in map editors like Build or Doom's, where line definitions will have two regions. Resource layers could be low res spatial hash to find a specific value for map co-ordinates. If you wanted them to be able to mix you could have them be points of origin, size and falloff, calculate the mix for specific points of interests like cities and then cache the distances.

I've been considering starting up a GSG project for a while I could try these ideas out if there's an interest.

>>15378188

If its the same to the end user and much easier to implement, why would you use vectors?

>>15374485

onpas saatanan ruma Suomi

>>15378623

Fucking brits creating such a non-country and implanting poos and muslims in fucking south america.

>>15377607

This would be doable by having only cities/villages and very small tiles which you would just assign to the nearest city/village. Or you can just assign those values directly to all tiles on the map. Problem is that if you have a really big map with a shitton of tiles and each of them have a shitton of information (resources, pops, culture, religion, etc.) then it would be a big strain for hardware.

>>15378423

You wouldn't. But it was what the anon asked, so I answered.

>>15378623

>>15378641

Dude what the fuck is wrong with Brits. They literally behaved like fucking t*rks but on a MUCH larger scale, which is arguably worse. They literally made a Bosnia and Albania in the Americas (basically a shitty non-country made up of mongrels and rapebabies.)

Also, adding to this, I've been thinking about exporting some new tradegoods from pop demand mod, namely sugar, salts (as chlorides & nitrates), cacao and maybe renaming cattle to ' cattle derivatives' as to encompass leather and tallow.

Among the stuff I'm adding for next update are a shitton of subantarctic islands like the Kuerguelens, Baha'i religion and revolts in Persia, Chan Santa Cruz in Yucatan, Ulster and Ulster-Scots (another non-country made by pure Anglo kikery) and a more believable Circassian genocide (where the churkas are also expelled to the Balkans and it's your duty to kill and kick them out as Russia or a Balkanling), lots of province pics, new releasable countries like Lipka, ABC islands and Canarias, new cultures like Afro-Dutch (Caribbean and Suriname), Ulster-Scots, Canarians (also spread around the Caribbean, Venezuela, Texas and Louisiana), added pacific islands like Cocos island (Costa Rica) Juan Fernandez archipelago, Revillagigedo archipelago and Clipperton atoll. Forgot what else, it's really a lot. The update ain't gonna be done soon though as I still gotta work on some events and decisions.

>>15378920

The worst is that they took part of venezuela for that and never, EVER did nothing with that, because to this day that area is just inhabited by native americans while the niggers and indians they brought just sit in georgetown killing each other every now and then and stealing venezuelan oil/gold.

The whole country should be partitioned between venezuela, brazil and suriname.

>>15378934

Should I make a chain of events for that too? I mean the Anglo appropriation of Guyana was kind of a big event back in the day, same as the American kikery to rip Panama away from Colombia. Fucking Monroe doctrine my ass, they literally let the Anglos play around in the Americas as they pleased, shit was just a crappy excuse to fuck with Spain wasn't it?

>>15378920

>They literally made a Bosnia and Albania in the Americas

Bosnians and Albanians at least have some historical roots in the area and have some manner of culture (even if it's likely irrepairably damaged by turkroaches). This bullshit is cancer that never would have existed in the area in the first place were it not for anglos. The entire culture of those places is some shitty amalgamation of various (often misremembered and mangled) cultures from far away places and "muh evil whitey coloniser".

>>15378966

>Should I make a chain of events for that too?

The thing is that the events that led to that wouldnt happen with a player playing as VNZ of GCO, since the brits just jewed their way through it, thats why venezuela nowadays has a recognized claim supported by the UN.

>shit was just a crappy excuse to fuck with Spain wasn't it?

Nah, spain was in no way to take back america after their 3 expeditions failed (they sent one to mexico, one to venezuela and one to argentina), shit was just to impede other europeans from fucking around in latin america (like when the french invaded mexico, that should totally be a thing btw).

>>15378969

Bosnians are literally confused Serbs and Croats who were raped into Islam, modern Albanians are mostly Kurdish and what have you settlers from Anatolia. Same goes for Pomaks and whatever other Islamic variants of Slavic-speaking 'peoples' in the Balkans. They don't really have any origins in their native land aside from maybe the first generation (aka those poor fucks who got raped) and that's about it.

>>15378982

What about that? I don't know much about spic history.

>>15379009

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_French_intervention_in_Mexico

France fucked around in mexico for a while.

>>15379039

kek literally cannibalized by angry tribal spice. I think I could work something out as the second Mexican empire's already in game, not sure how it works though, I'll take a look at it when I'm done with the other stuff.

Any more suggestions?

>>15379086

>spice

Meant to say spics. Speaking of which, I think I'll also add spices as a tradegood.

>>15379086

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_affair

Varius things like this happened in central american, with private british and burger attempts to seize the countries and establish their own, gigantic banana republics.

>>15379099

I haven't touched a mod with custom resources in some time, but wasn't there some issue with PDM that had the AI being unable to properly interact with the new resources? Maybe it was another issue with PDM since CWE/NWO doesn't have the same reputation about it, but I am still wondering what could cause the AI to not understand how to handle new resources/factories.

>>15379136

I'd imagine that spice would be treated as coffee or tea and wouldn't have any factory interaction.

>>15379118

Man that's kinda fucked up, I love it. Gonna see if I can add it (maybe as an event for Mr. Gringo to take over a single province and then going to war against the central American coalition)

>>15379122

tfw no demon gf

>>15379136

>>15379146

Yeah but sugar (cane and refined sugar) would have to have factories. I was also thinking about adding copper too, since that shit has been really valuable since the industrial revolution took place. Spices and salts wouldn't really require factories though, I'm also looking for a way to better integrate cattle-derivated goods and wool (for clothing)

I believe the new tradegood fuckery might have something to do with shortages, like Qing consuming a metric shitton of wheat and that faulty design oversight being countered with some hidden modifiers in HFM.

>>15379171

Cacao also wouldn't need any factories either. It's surprising how lacking Vicky2 is when it comes to tradegoods.

>>15379182

Seriously that's literally what the EIC was made for (and enslaving the poos), and it gets no representation whatsoever in the game.

>>15379194

And the VOC, though the VOC is dead by the time the game starts.

>>15379194

Have you given the thought of adding a Mormon revolt during the ACW? I know I suggested it a couple of months ago and I want to know if you given it any thought or even tried it?

>>15379171

>Man that's kinda fucked up

Why do you think central america is so fucked up?

For more than a century it was a playgroud of people wanting to emulate the belgian king while poor hispanics tried to fight them off, after that the cold war started and both the USSR and cuba fought proxy wars with teh US there.

Now they are the playground of narcos and communist guerrillas.

>>15379171

Anon thats an Elf.

>>15379202

Speaking of the VOC, I was also going to flesh out south Africa with the rest of the Boer republics (Goshen, Stellaland, Klein Vrystat, etc) as well as Greikwaland East and West.

>>15379207

I had forgotten about it. Was there really a Mormon uprising though?

>>15379211

Anglos never change man. No matter what flavor they are. The perfidious Albion runs strong within.

>>15379213

It's your beloved adopted (self-proclaimed) elder sister demoness with tendrils and other weird shit.

>>15379285

That sounds good, I could make the revolt happen. Though wasn't Liberia the nigger promised land? It's that even fleshed out in Vicky?

>>15379303

It was never fleshed out in Vicky. In terms of Liberia, that was originally meant to be America's foot in Africa until the federal government made it illegal to buy slaves from overseas traders which GB had a big part in as well. Even then the Whigs and Democrats realized shipping niggers back would be way too expensive and it'd be cheaper to take northern Mexico and just relocate them there. It was pretty obvious slavery was going to go away soon so people had plans on what to do with the niggers. That was one of the many plans.

Speaking of the Civil War, in Vicky 2 the '61 start has the USA as #1 and CSA as #2 or #3. Isn't this fucking retarded? Wouldn't the UK have more of everything than the USA in '60 much less '61?

>>15379318

USA would probably be around 7-8th during that period. I'd argue that USA wasn't a great power until the Spanish-American War.

>>15379320

Hence why I suggested the abolishment of slavery and relocation of niggers to northern Mexico and the establishment of Niggerstan as a puppet state like Liberia.

>>15379311

Sounds interesting. I'll see what I can do about it. Maybe I'll even flesh out Liberia a bit more.

>>15379318

Is that vanilla Vicky? I've only played vanilla like twice years ago.

>>15379320

>>15379339

Could work something around that decision too. I really like alternate scenarios pertaining North America, like Cascadia or even an independent Mormon country.

>>15379367

What Vicky 2 needs is more domestic management depth.

>>15379375

The problem with doing that is the game doesn't lend itself so well to that concept.

>>15379285

Reminder that this isn't the southern US border because of the treason of ONE MAN, Nicolas Trist. If he had not been negotiator at the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo, all that land would be safe, white, and rich today.

>>15377750

Hey, thanks for the response. I understand what you're implying, and I guess you're probably right. An acceptable compromise might well be something like this: >>15378063 I just want to draw my own borders. I hate that Vicky II uses all modern day, real world borders for everything, and even CK and EU could benefit from it.

>>15379379

Why do you say that? Do you mean the setting? If so you're wrong. Do you mean the game in its current state wouldn't be conducive to modding in more domestic depth? Yeah, that's probably accurate.

>>15379394

If only Trist was assassinated by some whacked out indio spic.

>>15379399

It makes perfect sense for the setting, the game engine however is another story.

>>15379285

why yucatan of all places? is it rich in resources?

>>15379463

Salt and Oil? Though oil wasn't discovered until way after the Mexican-American War. I think it was just for the ports and it made a nice trading area and gives the US a huge presence in the gulf. I think that's the reason why, just for military dominance.

>>15379463

iirc during the Yucatan caste war some dudes from the independent republic of Yucatan petitioned the US for annexation but they declined. Yucatan's kinda good, they have lots of rubber there.

>>15379493

Didn't know the Republic of Yucatan petitioned the US for annexation, that'd be a pretty good thing to add to the mod.

>>15379505

Yeah they also had their own widespread Maya revolt which resulted in a small country called Chan Santa Cruz which was a theocratic state (based on the syncretic beliefs of Christianity and Maya religion called the talking cross) ruled by the Maya (who killed anyone who wasn't Maya) and supported by the Brits in Belize.

I'll try to add it as well, already worked on Chan Santa Cruz, maybe I'll flesh out the federal revolts on Mexico too.

>>15379492

>>15379493

makes sense, and aside from expanding into mexico and canada, did the US ever have other places they had the chance to annex?

>>15379587

Couple of Americans tried to do stuff in central america, though they were unaffiliated with the US. Forgot their names.

>>15379587

The Philippines, Cuba, several Caribbean islands (like PR), apparently central American banana republics and those pissant Polynesian island kingdoms like Tonga, Rarotonga and ungabunga.

Does HFM have some sort of promotion penalty compared to HPM or different factors for promotion? It seems like I get far less craftsmen even when playing the same country the same way.

>>15379463

1. Resources

2. The Yucatan was controlled by rich whites who petitioned independently to join the USA. Their representative spoke before Congress, WHICH WOULD HAVE VOTED IN FAVOR OF THEM, except someone came into the chamber, lied about the Yucatan, and the real representative couldn't get documentation of the truth in time for the vote.

http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2015/07/yucatan-usa/

>>15380292

>Fucked up by the eternal fake news kike

Whoa it really makes you think

>>15380343

There's not a goddamn thing wrong with republics. "A republic, if you can keep it." Turns out that not listening to Benjamin Franklin when he said "we have to explicitly exclude jews from the Constitution" was a bad idea.

>>15380380

I blame Hamilton fully for not listening to my main man Franklin. I guess I just have a hard on for fascism. To be fair, fascism was not a thing when the Founding Fathers created this country, I wonder how they'd tweak it to make it work in the US.

>>15380380

Benny J wanted to exclude the kikes from the American constitution?

>>15380447

>Phone autocorrects Benjamin to Benny J

>Doesn't autocorrect the word kike

Makes ya think

>>15380450

Hamilton was a jew loving little bitch. Apart from that, they weren't fascists, they did not install a one party system, they did not install a dictator, though they definitely tried with Washington which I really wished they did, Washington was truly an extraordinary man.

>>15380458

I'm pretty sure Jefferson also had cautionary words about the jew.

>>15380380

Republics are terrible, as is democracy in general. The moment you go "it's goof IF" is the moment you admit that the system has a glaring weakness. Anyone can argue like that. "Monarchy is the perfect system, IF you have a really good king on the throne" etc. Democracy is based on a fucking popularity contest, meaning it favours the manipulative and deceitful, and that it doesn't take their skill for governing into account whatsoever. It practically guarantees that jews and human scum will form the majority eventually (usually not immediately, as the ones who estabilished the system tended to be revolutionaries that needed skill in order to actually pull off the revolt itself), as the entire system is built to favour that.

Worse yet, the system then incentivises soccial engineering and large scale brainwashing of the masses as a means to retaining power. Censorship had always been a thing under any system, but never as prominently as today, nor did the ruling ideology permeate into so many things so totally. Hell, even under communism, you had dissidents who wrote pieces critical of the regime, which then were sought out by the general population and read.

Then there's corruption. There has always been corruption, often on a massive scale, but in democracy, it's basically institutionalised. Why? Because corruption is encouraged by the system – you got a few years to hoard as much money as possible before your career ends, at which point you're nobody. So your sole objective when in power is to prolong your term and amass money. But luckily for you, all the other faggots sitting there with you are in the same situation, and are happy to help you out with that, as well as to create laws to make it all legal. Classic example? Functions in various committees that don't do anything but collect massive paychecks and are filled to brim with former politics, or high positions in companies (that usually lobbied you into office in the first place, which is another matter).

Democracy (and republic is a form of democracy) is a shit-tier system that is destined to become jew-controlled down the line and even encourages it.

>>15380963

>And yet every great country that lasted more than a decade

Are you fucking retarded? If we're talking about purely greatness and longevity then monarchies take the cake with ease.

>>15380963

The Republic system turned into a liberal democrat system pile of shit we have today. The Roman Republic turned great after they started having permanent dictators. Republics aren't bad but they can turn into shit, we're seeing it today.

>>15380963

The UK, The Russian Empire, French Empire, Golden Age of Greece, Egypt.

>>15381050

The golden age of greece was not monarchic at all m8.

>>15381065

Literally no one said it was

>>15381080

The UK did not

The Russian Empire did not

The French Empire switched to a republic after the Emperor was beaten, not revolts or instability

Greece did not

Egypt did not

You may be retarded.

>>15381156

>lol ur rong faget

Nice argument, you really showed me, mate!

>>15381136

B-but monarchs are BASED!

>>15380963

>>muh joos

nice argument you have there, friend. Try as you might, you aren't going to change the fact that democracy is the jew's favourite system.

>every great country that lasted more than a decade used republic system and ascended to graetness under it.

That is simply a blatant lie. On the contrary, every great empire used something else, and those few who didn't ended up paying for it greatly. Take UK, which watered monarchy down so much that it became a democracy. Look where they are now - their empire gone, their homeland, full of imported pakis. Or take USA – a country so subverted that despite having practically a hegemony, ends up being halfway non-white, with crumbling infrastructure, widespread poverty, and lower standard of living that much smaller and weaker countries around the world, with its population so brainwashed that it doesn't even realise it.

What would've happened if Poyais wasn't a fucking scam?

>>15383051

>simpsons benis calarts

I think this photo diddly blocked my arteries.

>>15383562

[citation needed]

>>15383735

The founding fathers not talking about muh democracy. Is like to read that, sounds interesting.

>>15383152

hereditry is great in that it makes it impossible to subvert a system. No matter how rich you are, you can't influence who gets born to the guy in power. It's why the jew hates hereditry. Of course, the negative is that it stunts growth and keeps some able down and some incompetents up, but on the other hand, it also motivates the ones in power to focus on the future after they die, for they tend to desire their children to do well, and know their children will inherit their position. The solution, in my opinion, would be for all people holding hereditary position to have many children, of whom the best would be chosen through meritocracy. Of course, that would be an expensive endeavour to test.

>>15383562

>Republicanism isn’t democracy, dipshit.

both entails mob rule and electing officials based on popularity. The moment the masses are involved in selecting the leader is the moment the system is weak to all the things I mentioned.

>And has nothing to do with republicanism.

officials that elect leaders are themselves elected by the masses.

>Which has nothing to do with republicanism, either.

all forms of democracy (including a republic) incentivise brainwashing

>Go back to reddit with your kike-branwashed view of the world.

The moment the general populace can vote is the moment you are in a democracy with all its ills, you fucking inbred. Your personal autistic definition of "republic" doesn't matter. A republic is a form of democracy.

>>15383854

>THE UNITED STATES IS NOT LEGALLY A DEMOCRACY

It is now because of universal suffrage unfortunately.

>>15383854

>implying US doesn't have the general populace vote

I'm not really sure what more to say here. The US describes itself as a bastion of democracy. There is universal suffrage. Your denial of these facts isn't going to change the reality of the matter.

Guys, what fucking language is Aurora 4x written in?

>>15384208

Visual Basic

>>15384208

An unspecified version of microsoft excel.

>>15379062

If Maximilian kept his empire would Mexicans still be white?

>>15384475

Only the ruling class. Actually I guess it still sort of applies, the rich old money Mexicans are white.

>>15384490

Could anything have stopped the Spaniards from race mixing? Wasn't interracial marriages were illegal in Mexico?

>>15384533

Not that I remember but their children would be in a lower caste so it wasn't beneficial. The Spanish aren't the only whites in Mexico though, you have the German Mennonites, the Mormons, Americans who defected in the Mexican American War, and a bunch of European immigrants that couldn't hash it out in America or didn't want to go to America

>>15384567

That's weird then. Are the shit skin Hispanics that flood the border just a product of being lower caste and living farther from the center of Mexico? Where I assume the population is more purely white? Do Mexicans regardless of ethnic origin even count as white anymore just by proxy of being from Mexico?

>>15384581

Actually most of the whites in Mexico live up north or in the really nice parts, like the tourist areas, unsurprisingly. The center of Mexico is filled with the darkies, and as you go further and further south they become more indian. Mexicans only count as white if they're at least 90%+ in my honest opinion and aren't Jewish. So a lot of the shit skins are first of all Central American not so much Mexican, but the Mexicans that do come are from around most parts of Mexico. The caste system by the way ended a long time ago, after Mexican Independence. There was a sort of de facto caste system where the Spanish and to some extend castizos were in charge, but that was changed when they had their democratic revolutions, then the European immigration changed things up, and then a bunch of other shit also plays in. But the notion that all Mexicans are shitskin beaners is just not true.

>>15378623

>East Indians

So just Indians then or are they talking about Bengalis and shit?

>>15384630

Didn't know that, a lot of the migrants tend to be shitskin spics coming to leech off the U.S. that it gives us the impression that Mexico, as a nation, is not white anymore.

>>15384656

Sorry to hear that man but mestizos will be mestizos, like the subhumans they are.

>>15384656

Well the simple fact is that they're jealous. They want to be white. Have you ever spoken to a highly affluent Mexican person? They consider themselves to be a Spaniard. They want to be white, and deep down they know they'll never be.

>>15384748

Well if you live in the nice areas or have a huge ranch, you have no need to illegally immigrate. And if they want to they do it legally because they are law abiding citizens. Mexico was never white though, it's almost like South Africa in a way, if the mestizos start going farther and farther left like they are, you might actually have a situation where white ranchers, mainly the Mormons, start getting killed and their shit stolen.

>>15384782

Well that was my question to begin with if Mexicans were white. I think at one point, when the Spaniards first set foot on Mexican soil, that there were whites that colonized Mexico. But Mexico, instead of doing an America and just slaughtering and forcefully relocating the Natives, tried assimilating them and then eventually just race mixed.

>>15384656

>posting an image more interesting than your comment

Is this even from a JAV?

>>15385708

I suck cocks and I found her myself. Never mind. Kaho Shibuya.

Are there any good resources for EU3 modding besides the wikia? I'm trying to move graphics from MEIOU into Death & Taxes, but so far stuck with the mismatched religion icons it uses, plus some trouble with the buildings menu. Yes, I'm just very bored.

>>15383864

>>15383854

>>15383866

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT LEGALLY A DEMOCRACY

>It is now because of universal suffrage unfortunately.

Not entirely, you still have the odd Electoral College, FPtP voter polling, and Super Delegates. It makes it a very weird shape, the only functional democracy in the world is the isle of Guernsey.

>>15389266

Super Delegates is a party specific thing, not really relevant. However you are correct about the Electoral College with gives it some resemblance to a republic. But the US is much more closer to a democracy than a republic. No amount of red text will change that.

>>15389303

Yeah but I'm not talking about Argentina, I'm talking about Mexico itself. I think Mexico would have been far more stable and better off if the nation was conservative and centralized with a white upper class that kept the races cleaned and a strong tie to their cultural and religious roots.

But they didn't, and they're suffering for it. Mexico used to be a promising nation, now it's dead with a socialist government. Shame.

>>15389658

Yeah you can blame the shitskin socialists like Villa, Madero, and Zapata for that one. Porfirio Diaz was a good guy, and he sort of did what you are talking about. He got a lot of rich European and American investors to invest into Mexico, which were seized after the Mexican Revolution. The whole Mexican Revolution is this complicated fucking shitshow, almost as complicated as the Napoleonic Wars. Complete with betrayal, constant switching of sides, and European involvement.

>>15390707

Whiter than you, Mohammed.

Any spic anons around here? I'm adding the Canarian culture to my HFM edits for Vicky2 and I kinda wanna know if it's true that most of the Spanish Caribbean and Venezuela had LOTS upon LOTS of Canarians living there, at this point I made VNZ have like ~10% Canarian pops, ~5% for PR and DR and about ~15% for Cuba. Texas and Louisiana also have Canarians, but it's a marginal amount. According to kikepedia, they also lived there in the 19th century.

>>15393289

>bait

its dont

it's just strange to me when people on the americas seem to think they are white and not some kind of mixed race abomination

>>15393472

tfw no retarded goddess gf who wears no pantsu

>>15394968

Rude, Aqua wears pantsu!

>>15393451

Yeah, canarians migrated to the new world alot even during the 20th century, just like galicians.

Infact, general Paez was the son of 2 canarian migrants.

>>15396084

Only in the LN, in the anime shes nopan.

>>15393472

Why is her upper body completely motionless?

>>15396084

No she does not, she's a nopan voyeur.

>>15396158

Gook/Chink outsourcing.

>>15396125

>>15396645

They're INVISIBLE pantsu, she wears them though

>>15396688

She'd be too dumb to play GSGs

>>15396688

She is too dumb for even HoI IV.

>>15396688

Aqua enjoys first person MMORPGs in VR and nothing else. I thought that much would be obvious from the anime.

>>15396764

Darkness would play as vanilla BYZ because she enjoys being sodomized.

>>15396778

Its not like she has any experience on that, remenber that even if shes a pervert, shes still pure.

>>15397314

Of course anon, think about it as tomoko.

Shes very lewd BUT has never been lewded, the same applies to darkness.

>>15397314

isn't that all of /v/?

>>15397314

She's literally tits.

t. Kazuma

>>15397314

Take a look in the mirror.

Just downloaded the latest version of After the End. Any cool suggestions for a play through?

>>15397510

Try playing as the Wayne family in the New York merchant republic.

>>15396173

we are a republic, or hilary clinton would be president

>>15397827

Make bigger ships and go back.

How's your tech look?

>>15398471

I'm fairly low-tech, but I can match anything they have if enough space. They have better engines and lasers, I have better missiles and AM.

Only 2 squadrons made it out out of 12. Have a few ships without a jump tender that I had to destroy. These are still my first gen warships, so nothing was really lost.

>>15393451

Are you adding anything significant to Russia in the next update? Wondering if I should withhold my Russia game.

>>15398719

Absolutely, I'm adding:

>Cahul in Moldova (held by Russia until the United Principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia unite.)

>Changed the way the United Principalities of Romania are formed, Akkerman was not part of their territories, added Cahul province to the events.

>Tuapse and Maykop for Circassia; Integrated new Circassian provinces to their respective events and decisions.

>Overhauled the Circassian genocide a little bit, now TUR gets actually destabilized from the huge influx of churkas they settled on Christian provinces. You can expel the Circassians from your precious Balkans too, by either occupying Circassian-inhabited provinces as RUS or by being an independent Orthodox, Nestorian, Apostolic, Catholic or Coptic country.

>Rebalanced pops in Circassia, added a small amount Orthodox and Animist pops.

>Cossack pops to Circassia (to represent settlers post-caucasian war.)

>Renamed Taman to Novorossiysk, reshaped the province and ceded to Russia.

>Made Sochi the capital of CIR.

>Beautified Grozny and Pyatigorsk’s terrain.

Also might add a decision to unite an independent Don Cossack Host and the Azov Cossack Host as the Hetmanshina, also with another decision to claim their old territories, as well as the other Cossack Hosts (Black sea, Terek, Yaik and Orenburg.)

The newest CK2 dev diary is utter trash. Nobody asked for that feature.

>>15400238

What happened?

>>15400270

From the dev diary:

>This system consists of two separate sub-features, the Shattered World system and the Random World system. Each of these two systems are aimed towards different players - Shattered World is perfect for those who want a level playing field, while Random World will appeal to those of you that wish to explore an unfamiliar, yet fleshed out world complete with its own history and quirks.

>These two features are accessed from either the Era Picker directly, or when choosing bookmarks through Custom Setup. You are free to choose any date to start, and the date you choose can even affect how a setup might look like. Choosing the 867 start date while using the default settings of Random World will tend to produce many more pagans and tribal realms, for example.

>If you desire an entirely level playing field, you can set all provinces to have exactly 3 holding slots, for everyone to be Feudal, for technology to be the same everywhere, for Primogeniture to be the default succession law, and for each character to be exactly 30 years old with three children, OR…

>If you just want a crazy game full of surprises, you could set all the parameters to Random or even Full Random. Who knows, maybe you’ll find yourself inhabiting an Iceland that has four 7-slot provinces, as a 65 year old matriarch following a religion based entirely around human sacrifice!

>In Random World you can choose to randomize almost everything; placements, names, functions and graphics of religions, cultures, titles, characters, governments and much more! While Shattered World and Random World do share a subset of settings, Random World undeniably has access to a more granular setup. If you want your game to be analogous to history you can choose to enable features such as ‘Holy Roman Empire’ or ‘Byzantine Empire’, for example - these settings will ensure that, somewhere in the world, something akin to those elements will exist. It won’t necessarily be too familiar though, there might indeed exist a large Elective Empire similar to the HRE - but they might just be located in Africa, adhering to a religion that promotes indiscriminate human sacrifice…

>Religion is a very central aspect of the game, and thus it wouldn’t be overly exciting to generate a random world where the existing default religions are randomly placed (even though you can choose to do that, and having a Bön pagan Scandinavia or a Catholic India is undeniably fun - no question about that). Depending on the settings you choose, religions will be more or less altered - you can randomize the spread, features, naming and icon of religions. There’s even a way for you to preview religions before starting the game, and if you wish you can even customize their features right there and then!

Absolutely atrocious.

>>15400820

Whoever thought that this was a good idea needs to commit sudoku with fucking chainsaw.

>>15400820

Once again, shit that will only be used by paradox on their MP games.

Without the history, realms and such CK2 is just a map painter themed sims.

>>15400820

So stupid bullshit nobody cares about, as historical autism is the main appeal of these games. With randomised everything, it just becomes a shitty map painter. What the fuck is Paradox even thinking. Do they so completely misunderstand their own games? It's not like the random world for EU4 was popular

>>15400820

I'm a fan of map painting so I don't mind this.

>>15400873

They also described it as "one of the largest features of Holy Fury", meaning that they devoted a large amount of development time to it compared to other features. The redditors on the forum absolutely adore it. The OP has received over 300 likes by now, and less than 25 dislikes.

>>15400896

God dammit.

We could have fleshed out christian systems, theocracies, events showing how different religions/cultures interacted with each other, TRADE, lots of cool things, but no, LE MAP PAINTER XD!

Theres even a mod just for that if you want it, they didnt do shit.

Paradox these days just makes real-time 4X, not GSG games.

>>15400820

>This is the last major DLC for CK2 and it's this shit

We need to get our hands on that fucking engine and make an actual grand strategy game and not Marxist wet dream simulator ver. 2

>>15400820

There are far better mods for all that. Like that tool for creating truly random worlds.

>>15400950

>Implying that Paradox will ever let go of that engine

>>15400962

Is there a way to reverse engineer it?

>>15401085

If there is then I wouldn't know anything about it.

>>15400238

>>15400820

The DLC is already adding a lot of good stuff. A randomizer is literally piss-easy to throw in.

As far as planned DLC goes CK2 looks like they took their time to make something decent. The upcoming EU4 DLC is actually absolutely atrocious

>>15400847

>>15400820

>>15400873

>>15400881

It's just a copy of Shattered World mod with more customization. Nothing to get upset about. HoI 2 also had two fictional scenarios: Armageddon and Abyss.

>>15400945

No shit. GSGs are just real-time 4x games without the exploration part.

>>15401317

>The upcoming EU4 DLC is actually absolutely atrocious

I thought it's just muh India and a load of big fat nothing. Is there something particularly cancerous thrown in?

>>15401380

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Dharma

Let me translate the features list

>Unlock more bonuses for doing nothing.

>Policies are now free to run with DLC.

>Make blobbing in India even more OP than it is now.

>HoI4's focus system applied to india, giving you random bonuses for blobbing.

>Estates renamed for india is a "feature"

>Mughals go from being the most powerful tag in the game to exponentially more powerful than any other tag in the game. They can now accept every culture in the game on top of getting a free idea-esque bonus for each culture they conquer.

>dumb bullshit

The DLC is basically pay to win, the amount of free bonuses you get is staggering.

>>15401339

Well no because a 4X is ideally balanced and features building up from nothing, as well as being more abstracted. It also works more to the tune of extreme blobbing.

Whereas a GSG game is more based around a fixed period in time, with unequal starting conditions, blobbing generally being more restrained, and leaning more to simulation than abstraction.

The only reasonable GSG that could be seen as a 4X would be some sort of iron age early city states and tribes type game, although to be a proper GSG it'd still not really be balanced due to resource distribution and population density.

Paradox is basically ripping out the aspects that make their games GSGs in the name of balance and multiplayer, effectively 4Xing them.

>>15401317

Holy Fury is basically taking features from mods like HIP and adding the easy ones to implement. Seems like just another half-assed, overpriced, Paradox expansion, but at least some of it is kinda interesting not worth $20, but if you still buy these pieces of shit, you're completely retarded

Dharma is just shit. See >>15401426. Every feature listed can be summed up as new ways to get more minute modifiers. EUIV has gone past the point of being an autistic map-painter. It is now only fun if you're the most mentally challenge of min-maxers. The game is only about modifiers and blobbing.

>Integrated the estates system into the base game.

hahahahahaha i outjewed paradox

>>15402087

Please explain

>>15401426

That's what Paradox does nowadays. It's not only virtue signaling. They have a lot of players from the India and China and they smell the easy money. Jade Dragon was a completely unnecessary DLC for the CK2 but it pleased the Chinese. Same with the Mandate of Heaven for EUIV. It made Ming and the Manchu incredibly powerful, especially Manchuria with its ability to raise banners and get extra troops that way. Now they are making sure the Indian peninsula is OP as fuck. Also their DLCs now revolve around buffing once certain country. Third Rome to make Russia strong, Rule Britannia to make UK powerful. It's pay to win for the multiplayer crowd.

>>15401595

Paradox is literally just making UIs for mod features.

>>15374167

what the hell happened to the mega archives, i dont understand whats going on on the archive board

>>15403828

>Siberia as dense as Persia

Is this a joke?

>>15400043

Is it possible to go full Anglo and try directly owning all of British dominions, including the USA?

>>15404314

Paradox is retarded with province placement. Instead of adding provinces only where big important settlements existed they just randomly add shit. They stopped employing historical advisors ages ago (if they ever employed them) and nowadays most of their decisions are made by 20 years old unpaid interns and people with no knowledge of history or geography and their main source is Wikipedia.

>>15404639

Northern Italy/the low countries/Iberia is less dense than Arctic Russia.

Say it with me:

BELIEVABLE

W

>>15403776

>Hey anon since you're throwing in Canarians for some reason maybe add in a way for Portugal to claim them and maybe other places like Galicia/Ceuta/Equatorial Guinea by renouncing the treaty of Tordesillas, they claimed them before the Castilians after all.

>Wew I meant Bermuda not Galicia, also Terra Nova (Newfoundland) Malacca Ceylon and the Moluccas would be nice for a proper Ultramar.

Man, wouldn't invoking the Tordesillas Treaty (or denouncing it) be really fucky? I mean I could do it, but I think you can still cuck Spain and the Angl*s out of those lands since they're colonies. Same with Malacca and the Moluccas, it's not like you're gonna get cores all over the place anyway.

>>15404326

What? You can pretty much cuck them out of their colonies already.

>>15406636

>even further south in Africa

Not actually, just more provinces. Paradox is obligated to do something for africa once a year else their CEO gets dragged in front of the Swedish human rights tribunal.

>Siberia's density is so high that no words can describe it

Keep in mind that it's not like EU4 where provinces = wealth, Siberia in CK2 are shit provinces with 1 tribal holding. Even if you feudalize with them they don't get the free city or temple like provinces with more slots do, so they'll have no wealth and never upgrade beyond shit-tier castle with no buildings.

>>15406573

It's for multiplayer mostly. Paradox reinvented themselves as a publisher of multiplayer games. A lot of their DLCs are centered around making sure their games are "balanced", that is Europe gets weaker and the rest of the globe gets stronger so memes like Ryukyu world conquest that Redditors love so much are easier to pull of.

>>15406594

>East vs West

Why do you got make me feel, anon?

how do i take screenshots in darkest hour btw

Any opinions of Aggressors: Ancient Rome?

>>15412264

Print Scree, Fraps, whatever. In case F11, I think it was, doesn't work it should send a screenshoot somewhere in the folder of the mod you use. Which remember even the base game is a mod.

>>15412317

strange, prntsrcn doesnt work and f11 gives a screenshot with no resolution

What do now that I've mastered played to death all gsg's minus HOI4 and EU4. Make my own?

>>15412450

lel fookin noice. Honestly though might as well.

>>15412662

why didnt you take eupen and alsace?

>>15406519

No, I mean can you play AS GB and try unifying all of their colonies (present and past, including the US) under a single banner? As in are there events and decisions for that? Spain, for example, can get their old colonies, I'm pretty sure France too, so can GB?

>>15413089

I have no idea.

>>15413437

that pic needs the obligatory civil war

>>15413155

No. It's probably fucked up and I forgot to fix it, can't tell what's wrong with it cause I ain't home. Next update's not gonna come out soon either, but I could release a hotfix once in back.

>>15413437

That's the best depiction of HoI4 I have ever seen.

They're all equally awful

>>15413904

I guess even parajews must have realised how shittily the old system scaled up. Still, I find it hilarious that by now, literally every mechanic the game had on release had either been scrapped and reworked or underwent several major overhauls. It's almost as if Paradox is just throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks

>>15414008

From a glance at the latest diaries (I haven't read any in like 6 months) it looks like they've abandoned their GS/4X combo abomination and finally realized that it's a 4X. Or that they aren't capable of making GS anymore. Regardless, Stellaris always seemed like it had a lack of direction due to almost every update being based on retarded premises.

>>15413904

The last update that was supposed to fix the combat system was atrocious and made everything worse. The new DLC will be shit as well. Stellaris 1.0 was an empty shell of a game. Now it's slightly less empty but still shit and every update breaks even more shit than it fixes. Just look at that:

>The war in heaven (paid feature) almost never fires, and doesn't often work properly when it does

>The machine uprising (paid feature) dies instantly, and even if they didn't they'd never really work as intended because of the AI transport bug.

>The contingency almost always fires

>The AI doesn't work right with the new war system, it can't move transports around, can't capture planets and therefore drags wars out indefinitely because it also won't peace out until everyone is at 100% war exhaustion. This messes a lot of stuff up.

>AI's take the colossus ascension perk, then never build colossi.

>I've never seen an AI empire synthetically ascend.

>Ground combat is just shit. The UI is atrocious. It doesn't tell you how many armies are on a planet. It doesn't tell you which armies are currently fighting. The counters all overlap in this really stupid way and you can't see what the health of everything is at a glance*.

>When you wipe out a marauders, they send you a cross message and say they're coming to attack you but it never happens.

>>15414032

Don't forget removing features as a major part of an "update"

>>15406519

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars

Only slightly fucky, seeing as how Portubros just came out of their civil war a big part of which was pretty much just CARLISIMO but 20 years early. Reclaiming the lost ultramarine provinces would be a great line of effort for jingos and /ourguys/,

>>15413155

>>15413598

Is that supposed to be the wrong Galicia?

>>15414154

It's supposed to be Spanish Galicia, but I don't know what happened, probably got fucked up between updates.

>>15413437

I was surprised there isn't one for Nova Scotia

>>15413598

That'd be cool. Are Galicians supposed to be accepted too? Or no because they're "Latinized" and need to be assimilated back to Celts?

>>15413089

>Spain, for example, can get their old colonies

They can?

That would be pretty unlikely in the 19th century, a commonwealth style system maybe, but full anexation never.

>>15413944

MEIOU 2.0

>>15414154

>>15414259

>>15414248

How would that work though?

Galicians dont speak anything like gaelic, galician is like a mixture between spanish and portuguese, we are talking about a process that has been going on since romans took over iberia.

>>15414318

You can create puppet states all over latin america as carlist spain

>>15414350

Oh that would be viable, i thought it was full annexation wich is a full on no-no.

Hispanic americans would never take that and spaniards never had the means to do that.

>>15414357

Aren't spics all about muh spaniard blood, though?

>>15414350

I thought HFM actually let you annex all of them.

>>15414413

Youre confusing third generation spics in the united states with actual hispanic americans.

Hispanic americans are very proud and patriotic, and in the 19th century they considered spain a failure and their monarchy to be corrupt and decadent while the early republics were all about humanist ideals of the french revolution.

Carlists could have gotten a chance since it would be the old monarchy and not the french bourbons (current monarchs of spain), but getting annexed by spain and ruled by a monarch after some countries had lost 60% of their population in the independence war would be unthinkable.

>>15414444 (checked)

I suppose that makes sense. I never knew much about Latin America other than that it's mostly a shithole populated by nigs imported from Africa and some mix of spaniards and natives.

>>15414461

Even in that youre wrong, theres less niggers than there are mestizos and criollos in mainland south america.

Specially since both mixed peoples and whites hated the niggers and constantly used them as meatshields in warfare.

>>15414473

I mentioned nigs mostly because of Brazil which, while not a Spanish colony, still counts as Latin America. I'm pretty sure Brazil is full of niggers

>>15414488

According to wikipedia the entirety of SA has abour 400 million "people", of which 66 million are nigger/mulatto. That's only slightly higher a proportion than the US has, although as you say it isn't evenly spread and it's worse in Brazil.

>>15414488

Not as many as you might think.

Theres actually data on genetic distribution in latin america, and while things change from country to country (say, cuba has many more whites or mostly white people than peru), you can see that niggers are the minorty everywhere save places like the dominican republic.

For example, in venezuela and colombia (and this is something you can see reflected in the game's pops) niggers are mostly located in coastal regions while there are other regions that dont have any, since they were mostly used as labour for plantations while the natives, mestizos and whites were free people that moved around freely.

>>15414318

>How would that work though?

>Galicians dont speak anything like gaelic, galician is like a mixture between spanish and portuguese, we are talking about a process that has been going on since romans took over iberia.

It's a meme among modern Galicians, there's a group of them who are trying to rebuild their Celtic heritage. The only traces of old Celtic are in a few localities and names for instruments, trees and earthworms. It's silly, just like a Celtic union and the coring of Newfoundland.

>>15414259

>That'd be cool. Are Galicians supposed to be accepted too? Or no because they're "Latinized" and need to be assimilated back to Celts?

I suppose so, gotta check that shit when I'm back home.

>new EU4 expansion removes the ability to convert territories to your religion unless you're muslim, and even then, only through propagate religion in trade nodes

Jesus, what the hell were they thinking? I'm never touching EU4 again.

>>15414507

>tfw ywn use your niggers as cannonfodder like Argentinians, Venezuelans and Colombians did.

>>15414609

They didnt outright genocide them because christian values and humanist ideals, but they did try their hardest to remove them in a legal way since they didnt want the niggers to outbreed them and end up like haiti.

If you compare data from the late 18th century with data from the 19th century you see that their numbers decresed alot in proportion, in venezuela for example, you will see mulattos and mixes between natives and niggers, but actual niggers are very rare and mostly in coastal areas or in caracas.

>>15414601

i'm just not updating; staying at 1.25.1 unless the change regarding inability to convert territories is removed from the game, or i figure out how to mod it out. eu4 is still a fun game in spite of it being 'babby's first gsg' according to many, but there's 0 reason to update to the 'dharma' dlc/patch with this bullshit religious conversion change.

it kinda sucks, as the rest of the update had some interesting stuff, but 0 reason to not just stay at 1.25.1 the way things stand now.

>>15414673

Its true, the venezuelan goverment is literally trying to drive away the population and be left only with the poor people living in shantytowns to have complete control, thats why you see such a massive migration, something that never happened before in venezuela.

>>15414687

migration is the cancer of civilization

>>15414687

Seems like you guys need some good ol' Uncle Augusto over there. On an unrelated note, did you see how Bolsonaro (Brazil's candidate who's hostile to commies) got stabbed by a literal communist nigger?

That ought to bolster his popularity a bit, if he survives (I sure hope he does.) He's gonna go HARD against the sao paulo forum-aligned goyim.

>>15414713

venezuela needs to get rid of the commie bus driver at its head, first and foremost.

>>15414711

Not really, it can be benefitial depending on who it is that migrates and how.

>>15414713

When commies fall in venezuela there will be huge purges aslong as things dont end up in the goverment "passing down" the power to a puppet goverment or other kinds of "moderate" leftists take power.

>>15414728

They actually need a complete legal makeover since every institution in the country has been taken over by the commies, there's nothing left that's controlled by any opposition that's not on the commies' payroll.

>>15414729

Will they ever fall though? Everybody's been too lenient on them, including the USA. iirc people who want change are literally sequestered inside the country, with no representation from the armed forces nor any real politicians.

>>15414732

nice meme

>>15414748

>Will they ever fall though?

They cant keep at it forever.

>Everybody's been too lenient on them, including the USA.

Almost like if this was a planned thing for decades that the elites of the US profit from.

Venezuela in the early 80s was one of the most developed countries in all of america and had a pretty high standard of living, with a big middle class population and on its way to industrializing.

Then communists coup'd'tats and "civilian" uprisings with cuban agents backing them up started erupting until chavez ended up in power and started literally killing the economy of the country and purging all institutions while making the population poorer and dumber.

This is not a mere coincidence anon, venezuela was fucked over by the foro of sao paolo, cubans and corrupt sentaors/politicians in the US, between them obama that helped them get away with lots of things.

>>15414756

>i've been playing eu4 since patch 1.18

But why?

>>15414729

>Not really, it can be benefitial depending on who it is that migrates and how.

Unless it's peoples really close to your own, you will always lose out. You can accept a nigger scientist with IQ 200, but his children will still be niggers. They will form a minority. They will become a pain in the ass political grouping poisoning your country from within and having more nigger children.

>>15414748

the saddest thing about venezuela is that once they really do overthrow commies, what will come instead will be globalist commies like Soros, attacking the country's culture and spirit rather than the economy.

>>15414789

You can go an ask them how things are going, they have a board in 8chan with a good ammount of activity.

>>15414770

>between them obama that helped them get away with lots of things.

Another reason to hate on king nigger. Didn't know about that one.

>>15413155

Alright, here's the promised hotfix:

https://mega.nz/#!llcjGSYS!dqcmx2gCzr4AiEZtUb1p2X156e7pGovaBJHxUWIijGo

My Pastebin:

https://pastebin.com/VZumvXiR

Thanks for bringing it up, I never would've noticed that it conflicted with that new event for claiming Galicia-Lodomeria as RUS.

>>15414789

From what I can understand from Venezuelans, if they overthrew the current regime the people would just shove another Communist in.

>>15414908

Basically, that's why I said they need a complete makeover. They've been fucked over for the decades to come and will most likely never fully recover. I mean look at Russia right now, it's been almost 3 decades since the soviets fell and they're still living in a post-communist society of gopniks, muslim churka trash, mafias and petty oligarchs turned nobility.

If Venezuelans want to see how they country will turn out to be once the commies are 'gone', they can take a good look at modern Russian society.

>>15414922

tbh, current russia is in a better state than current EU

>>15415095

Only by a small margin, imagine what they could've been had the commiekikes never gotten power.

Corruption is FAR more widespread than in any western country and literally everything is a mafia, even the Orthodox Church has become a bootlicking mafia. Besides, Russia has a critical problem: Native muslim populations. At least Western Euros can kick their useless muddies back to their shitholes, but where the fuck do Russians kick theirs? Siberia lmao? They can kick some central asian churkas back to their shitholistans, but there's still chechens, muslim tatars, daghestanis, what's left of circassians and what have you, those are the problem and are militant as fuck; such a shame Russia never really got to pacify the Caucasus, they kinda only did it halfway through.

>>15415281

>At least Western Euros can kick their useless muddies back to their shitholes

they cannot and they don't want to. Like, Germany might be willing to accept a nigger as a "syrian refugee", but Syria sure as fuck isn't going to accept them, because they KNOW they're some eritrean or similar shitheads. Rapefugees are to stay in Europe.

Russians at least have nationalism and irredentism. Europe? Nationalism is literally illegal in some countries, and borderline illegal in others.

>>15414951

What does the Debug decision even do?

>>15415630

What decision? The stuff added by HFM? If so, beats me, I never really checked what it does; it probably does nothing.

>>15415640

I think it's from the HFM mod.

What would be a stable and practical way for Japan to manage China after winning WW2?

>>15380463

>I'm pretty sure Jefferson also had cautionary words about the jew.

He did. He was easily the smartest of the bunch. Had a much better electoral system suggested that was never used too.

>>15381040

>>15381031

>>15381050

The problem with Monarchies and Dictators is it only takes one retard inheriting things to completely sink everything.

>>15415856

>The problem with Monarchies and Dictators is it only takes one retard inheriting things to completely sink everything.

I agree 100%, so what's the solution? I still can't figure it out.

>>15381314

>nice argument you have there, friend. Try as you might, you aren't going to change the fact that democracy is the jew's favourite system.

Democracy can work if it's Swiss style and the public can just force a referendum.

>>15383447

Americans are obsessed with democracy because of muh founding fathers and muh revolution. It's the cornerstone of their identity and what supposedly started the USA being different culturally from Europe.

>>15415861

I'm afraid I don't have a solution only complaints. I think Switzerland probably has the right idea though.

>>15383864

Universal suffrage isn't necessary for a democracy.

>>15414673

rolling

>>15415876

Which is retarded because even the Founding Fathers knew what a shit system democracy was. Which is why they built the nation as a Republic.

It’s also why they put so many checks on the power of popular vote, because they knew that the average plebeian on the street is comparable to a goat in terms of decision making and intelligence.

>>15415895

You got el goblino de la obscuridad, congrats.

to the Anon's Edits guy, or anyone else: any idea where you would go to edit out the requirement to convert only in states and not territories? RezMar and codex will both have cracked versions of 1.26+dlc in a day or so, if not already, so if i can figure out how to edit that stupid addition of requiring states in order to convert, i'll download it.

>>15414782

i just find it fun. i prefer the time period of ck2 (well, with the earlier starts from 700ish AD to 1300 or so), and i play that as well.

>>15415931

>Which is retarded because even the Founding Fathers knew what a shit system democracy was.

I agree, the problem is that generations of people have been taught that they did and appealing to what the founding fathers 'meant' essentially shuts down all debate.

>>15414601

Mughals/India gets permanent claims across all of Persia, India, Indonesia, Indochina, and around 1/5th of China. Mughals also gets unlimited accepted cultures that add an idea when they are accepted (for free). First one you'll get is an additional -10% core cost.

Paradox has a thick, meaty sandnigger cock between their lips.

>>15414008

When the game was originally made it had some other lead dev, then wiz took over. Wiz being in charge means the game has been improving mechanically but the fluff is getting more pozzed up and flavour type stuff is deteriorating in quality. Instead of Collectivist vs Individualist for example we get LE EBIL AUTHORITARIAN SLAVERS vs MUH GOODGUY EGALITARIAN COMMIES.

>>15402087

>>15402383

>Integrated the estates system into the base game.

>>15415492

>Russians at least have nationalism

Nope. Like Americans they don't have real nationalism but just patriotism for being a Good Goy in WW2. Russian nationalism died in the Civil War.

>>15416524

>Russian nationalism died in the Civil War.

It never even existed. One of the reasons they performed so poorly in WW1 was complete lack of motivation. The peasants just didn't give a flying fuck about Tsar or about Russia. Those from the west couldn't care less if they're a property of French speaking Russians or if Germans rule them and those from eastern parts of the empire just claimed that the Germans will never that get far anyway so why bother fighting them.

>Democracy can work if it's Swiss style and the public can just force a referendum.

You're forgetting the key part, which is that the Swiss managed to actually have an educated voter and that they're a small country. Democracy can work as long as the country is relatively small (the moment it gets too big is the moment one region will happily start fucking another over, plus the administration blobs in size at an alarming rate) and as long as the average voter actually has some degree of political awareness. For these reasons, the system is ill-suited for the majority of nations around the world.

>>15416524

They're pretty adamant about great Russia. It's why they're so ecstatic about getting Crimea back. As for WW2, it's understandable – their territory became nearly that of Imperial Russia and they lost dozens of millions of people in it – not celebrating a victory after such losses is unthinkable. This causes an amusing dissonance in Russia, though. On one hand, the majority of Russians hate communism. They seriously do – they know how shit it was first hand. On the other, they can't help but idealise USSR because it was the time they had massive territory and were a world superpower, whereas after 1989, they became a shadow of all that, with former territories even allying with their enemies.

>>15415845

Balkanizing china into small, controllable puppet feudal states.

>>15414891

>>15414951

Based af. Thanks man.

What do you think of adding a core on the Maritimes? I'm gonna grab it anyway but might be cool for the next update.

>>15414673

this is fucking disgusting. reported for D&C

>>15417874

>this is fucking disgusting. reported for D&C

t. 56%

>>15374208

Ohio belongs to the French

>>15379320

How the hell did they get Wyoming and Kentucky? I have enough trouble getting Texas and the border states to secede with me, let alone anything out west.

*farts*

>>15417178

Is that nova scotia and shit? Guess I could, there's lots of Celts living there.

Is Veritas et Fortitudo worth trying?

>>15417959

Isn't the CSA literally just slave states with zero other factors in V2?

>>15419190

It's better than vanilla but nothing can save EU IV from being shit. It's like putting lipstick on a pig type of thing.

>>15419231

Bullshit, MEIOU is pretty good.

>>15419240

What does shit taste like?

>>15415845

this >>15417166

Either full balkanisation, or one country but extremely decentralised and feudalised, with local figures having absolute authority over their tiny shithole. It wouldn't even be that difficult to set up – WW2 China was literally medieval in most places

>>15419240

MEIOU runs too slowly.

>>15419231

i've only played ck2 and eu4. what makes eu4 so shitty to you? it seems fun enough to me, but maybe that's because i haven't played others (besides ck2) and thus have no reference to actually compare it to.

>>15419246

Care to give an argument as to why it is shit?

Can an anon help me? I can't seem to install HIM for CK2. I'll run the installer check different options each time, but when I start the game it crashes right after loading.

>>15419377

What version of CK2 and what version of HIP?

>>15417959

As >>15419213 said, it's effectively just getting lucky with slave states getting CSA cores. Though, I want to say HFM or something effectively guarantees the historical Confederate states will secede by giving them cores while other slave states have a chance of getting cores from events. At least, that is how it seems to be since I haven't seen a Confederacy without the main states in my modded campaigns, but the ahistorical states seem to vary each time.

>>15419383

CK2 2.8.1 and the latest ver of HIM found in the pastebin OP.

>>15415845

As an alternative to plausible balkanization, I'd contend that a more comprehensive project of reconstruction, cooperation and modernization with the Wang Jingwei regime, centralizing control beyond the coast- always maintaining superiority or maybe rather seniority in partnership for as long as possible- would be a better long-term and less tight-fisted option. Even if Japan maintains the close orbit of its other new spherelings, an emerging and non-Mao fucked China is likely wont to start paving its own way eventually, though never breaking away completely simply because they'll end up in a similar relationship to Japan as China has to the US now of manufacturer and market. But killing warlordism in favor of a fascist or semi-fascist central state seems the wiser and beside that more benign course in the long term, because a basically feudal China is going to have awful infrastructure prospects, which will seriously harm major resource exploitation, and disparate self-interested warlords will never have the same reliability as fanatic ideologues as administrators.

>>15413904

A little bit of Victoria II cargo culting.

>>15419440

I don't know what version of HIP is in the pastebin but the latest HIP is compatible with 2.8.3.3 i.e. the latest CK2 patch. Try to install it without ArkoPack first though. I think the only major difference between 2.8.1.1 and later versions is different main menu so there's conflict with ArkoPack.

Does Stellaris have any substantial content yet

>>15419256

>WW2 China was literally medieval in most places

It still is.

>>15421600

He's referring to the usual EU3 reformation which rarely spreads to more than a few minor states.

>>15421600

What fraction of your eu3 playthroughs have Great Britain or a consequential German state like Brandenburg or Bavaria convert to Protestantism and stay there? The latter happens quite a bit, but just as often the asshole Catholic emperor will enforce religious unity and convert them back to Catholicism. Protestantism in vanilla EU3 is hilariously underpowered, prove me wrong.

>>15389303

It should also be pointed out that Argentinians are mixed with Amerinds, just much less than Mexicans. Genetic studies of Argentinians have shown that the genetics from the female side of their ancestry tends to be a lot more Amerindian than genetics from the more European male side of their ancestry. The cause of race-mixing in both Mexico and Argentina is that the Spanish sent men, and not families with women. Instead of filling up their colonies with family units that could shit out more Spaniards they used them as a pump-and-dump for resources, sending over go-getter men who helped themselves to native poontang. The pump-and-dump way the Spaniards colonised the Americas is also a big part of why Latin America is a shithole compared to Anglo North America or Quebec.

>>15421584

>Protestant HUNGary and France

Eh, that strikes me as very strange. What's the Pomerania area's red?

>>15421647

Stop talking out of your ass, that was only the case in the very early colonial period, later on spaniards actually colonized the continent and thats why you see all of these cities with even universities.

The problems of latin america are structural, not racial.

>>15421671

The red in Pommerania is Animism, when you convert pagan provinces in EU3 it also culture-converts (might be the same in EU4, I'm not sure cause I've never played it). Because of this I've started farming pagan rebels that force-convert provinces they occupy them so I can then convert the new pagan provinces to my religion and my culture. Basically, everything east of the Elbe that was German and some more is going to speak Danish when I'm done with it.

>>15421695

Was the development that the Spanish put into Latin America really as much as what was put into North America though? You yourself admit the problems are structural, and what I'm saying is these structural problems began in colonial times. I'm not saying Latin America is poor because Mestizos are dumb, I'm saying a lack of settler colonisation in Latin America compared to Anglo-America is symptomatic of the lack of effort Spain put in. Even in places like Argentina and Uruguay which got a lot of European settlers as immigrants (especially in the 19th century) you get Latin America-style dysfunction, I never said Latin America is a shithole because it's missing out on white people magic, but because the Spanish used it for resource extraction more than they tried to build a well-functioning society on top of it as American settler colonies did.

>>15421725

Anon, look at how big and developed cities liie cartagena or lima were in the late 18th century, then compare it to the big cities in the 13 colonies.

The spanish empire died with the sucession war, the policies of the new monarchs fucked over spain and the colonies even more.

>>15421205

>Also are there any of these games that let me conquer Burgerstan?

Victoria 2, EU 3 and 4

>>15421695

>The problems of latin america are structural, not racial.

How does having structural problems preclude racial problems?

>>15421205

The hardest thing about CK2 is to learn that you don't (usually) just buy units compared the other games, you have lavies and you use them. None of the games are really hard. Just play for a few hours and you will start learning. The other important things is to learn how many of certain kind of holdings you can have without people hating you for having too much. If you want it to be easier you can disable Conclave, because it is harder to make people happy there. Other than that the 3 newest DLCs are mostly just stupid meme shit.

>>15421800

Because the colonies were pretty functional and peacefull before the bourbon take over even when there were still native tribes and slaves around.

>inb4 caste system

The caste system gave privileges in some areas, but eveyone that wasnt a enslaved negro was a free man.

>Because the colonies were pretty functional and peacefull before the bourbon take over

You mean like when the spanish were completely pushed out of New Mexico by indians in the Peublo Revolt?

Or when the Spanish missions were completely destroyed in Florida by the Guale Revolts?

Maybe the Tepehuan Revolt where this was said:

>The Governor, however, declared that the province was “destroyed and devastated, almost depopulated of Spaniards. The…churches were burned. The silver mines and their machinery were also burned

Being completely removed from large areas of their colonies does not sound very peaceful.

The problem with the Spanish colonies is the native presence. The only way they could have functional countries today would be if they had just killed off all the savages when they could. It wouldn't have to be some grand genocide that would obviously be logistically impossible, just do what the English did and slowly push them away into less desirable areas (the Andes, The Amazon, the most arid parts of Mexico) and populate them with Spaniards exclusively. The problem with this, of course, is that you need people who both desire and are able to settle, meaning the settlement vs exploitation stance does hold a lot of the truth.

The reason why I say that the natives are the problem, and the problem is thus racial, is that were they to settle while still intermixing with the natives, who vastly outnumbered them, we'd see the same thing we see in parts of the US: Lower IQ people tend to be less productive and more violent. You can't build a functioning society with blacks and other undesirables free to abuse it.

>>15421205

I actually started playing yesterday, and with basically no knowledge I was able to unite Ireland. Just start as the southern most county, amass some wealth, and use fairly cheap mercenary bands for any war where your enemies fairly outnumber you.

>>15422108

I remember reading that original devs abandoned it but some fan fork is active still.

>>15422456

>Perfect World

>The US is full of spics

>The Balkans are controlled by turks

>Ireland isn't independent

>Norway

>Those Jap enclaves

Jokes aside wouldn't those enclaves generate a lot of ill will? Wouldn't less direct management there help the Chinese pride recover a bit?

Also how would the Japs possibly take the Philippines?

Los Malvinos Argentinos

>>15422473

I think that the Purple Blob is supposed to be Byzantium.

>>15422512

>I want to create Believable Worlds™

So I just had an idea.

Is it possible to make a game with paradox style scale where you don't directly control the military that isn't shit?

Logically it would be more realistic if you were a post-feudal society to have the monarch/president/other control the military only indirectly through objectives and such, but AI has made this absolutely awful in practice (see HOI4 trying to force this). Is it possible to make that work? Does it require more abstract military systems, or is it just a matter of PDS being incompetent?

I ask because the idea of having "personalities" behind your army seems like such an interesting concept. If Hitler had had total control of every division in the invasion of France, for example, a lot of famous feats never would have happened. If he'd had it in Barbarossa the USSR probably would have made it to France. Things like the US CNO hating the British simply can't happen in a game where the player is the supreme commander of everything. I think that if the AI can be excused for failures because they're logical (my field marshal took too long to invade Russia because he's cautious and old) it would also make players a lot less frustrated with the AIs issues.

>>15422574

>If he'd had it in Barbarossa the USSR probably would have made it to France.

If he'd had it in Barbarossa then they'd have taken the Caucasus like he wanted, Germany wouldn't have run dry on oil, they would ha e kept running circles around the commies in the east and all those Me262s would have won the air battle in the west instead of sitting useless waiting for fuel.

All that aside yeah I think it'd work if you made an AI that wasn't shit and gave the player a decent toolset for dictating general strategy.

>>15421897

Youre literally taking revolts of native TRIBES as if they were part of the colonial system, wich they were not, they were integrated and the colonies worked really well for centuries.

>>15422660

>If he'd had it in Barbarossa then they'd have taken the Caucasus like he wanted

I don't think that a civilian leader having more direct control would have led to that being achieved. It isn't as if the military leadership didn't try to do that.

>>15422574

Sadly it's impossible. The weakest link of every Paradox game is the AI. The less control the player has, the worse his experiance is. Simply trying to force the AI to be semi-competent and properly challenge the player is hard enough as it is.

>>15422660

>Me262s would have won the air battle in the west

>what is P-80

>what is Gloster Meteor

>>15423240

Wanna go full memery?

Give colombia and venezuela casus bellig against gregor for how he fucked up in the war against spain.

>>15423275

Id say repay debts would be the most reasonable casus belli.

>>15423289

>What did he even do anyway?

He served under the patriot forces in venezuela and new granada pretending to be a veteran of the napoleonic wars, got a bunch of brits and patriots killed while he ran away, tried to conquer florida, quite a bunch of exploits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_MacGregor

>>15423301

Heres a podcast talking about his exploits if youre interested.

http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/2016/10/517a-supplemental-gregor-macgregor.html

>>15423341

Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>15421584

I wish I wasn't a brainlet to this game, no matter how many guides I read I can't even make it to 1500.

>>15424709

Try minting more money.

>>15422965

http://steamworkshopdownloader.com/view/962223737

http://catalogue.smods.ru/archives/870

>>15422456

>Germany doesn't have the Sudetenland

>R*ssia has Latvia and Lithuania and Belarus and the Ukraine

>P*land is on the map

>Luxemburg is part of France and not Germany

>the eternal Anglo holds Ireland

>Amerifats blobbing into Canada

>Thai sovereignty not respected by Nihon

>independant Ethiopia

>Bolivia still has no sea access

>Scandinavia not united

>Spain dismantled

>Portublob

>Congo is apparently still Belgian even though Belgium doesn't exist

>Riga not under German control

>Boers enslaved under tho Anglo boot

>Krain has been turned into some kind of independent country full of slavs instead of being part of German Austria

Kill yourself.

>>15427890

AFAIK the later institutions all spawn entirely randomly so long as the target fulfills the requirements. Manufactories require manufactories (obviously) while enlightenment requires universities. Paradox keeps adding more money to the game so by the time they can spawn half the world is allowed to be a birthplace.

Only early game institutions are forced or heavily weighted towards Europeans, which is kind of bunk since it's in the later game the Europeans took over India and bullied China like a little bitch.

>>15428000

I wonder, what happened to china?

For most of their history they were leages above europe in technology and goverment organization, how come thay fell so behind on the 19th centuty?

I mean fuck, by the time romans were killing each other with slings and stones they had regiments of crossbowmen with repeating crossbows.

>>15428058

Most of China never put into use most of the inventions they devised. The Roman Empire was much better in terms of spreading "civilization" and "technology", with vastly higher proto-industrial capacity, mining, GDP per head, and so on. You could attribute it to a quantity over quality approach or to the fact that the Chinese writing system is horrible (in these times even worse), so spreading knowledge was hard. Keep in mind that there were hundreds if not thousands of different languages all trying to use sort of the same writing system and if you invented something new you had to make a new pictogram for it that no one else recognized. Nevermind the fact that only a select few could read to begin with.

I don't think you can say that China was better in government organization. De Facto they were still basically feudal most of the time.

Also China was basically a colony of Manchuria from the 17th to 20th century. Manchus treated the Han worse than slaves. You'd get executed for not wearing the correct hairstyle.

>>15422660

Not quite. The Germans didn't run dry on oil because they failed to get Stalingrad & Baku, they ran out because their synthetic industry got bombed to ashes and the Romanian oil was denied by aerial river mining operations and the Soviet advance. What the Germans getting to Baku does do, however, is deny the *Soviets* a very large portion of their oil, in addition to putting it in German hands. How are they going to counterattack without the logistical legs to do it? They have to get their legs back through a counterattack at Baku, one which will be expected and can be prepared for thoroughly by the Axis.

In spite of the logistical focus of the Deep Battle doctrine and its resurgence, the Soviets continued to operate on shoestrings and to have crucial achilles' heels, like the major electric generators in the Moscow area- supplying something like 70% of Soviet industry with power- that Operation Eisenhammer were to target. The rail nexus in Moscow getting properly disrupted could be similarly disastrous for proper force distribution & supply throughput.

Essentially, what the Germans did was try to beat and bowl the teetering colossus straight over- 'kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will collapse'- and they nearly managed that. But then the colossus dug in its heels and started shoving back with increasing force and counterblow, eventually acquiring victory as the national equivalent of a walking black-and-blue hamburger meat man riddled with shiv wounds and broken bones. What needs to be done, is that the Germans go for the joints. First, they smash its kneecaps, and when it stumbles forward to try and strike & crush, you twist its arms and smash its teeth in with a bat. Slit hamstrings. Punch guts. So on and so forth.

>>15430179

>>15423222

>what is P-80

344 '45 production models with sextuple fiddies, which I'm not too sure of the performance against an all-metal body jet craft compared to autocannons; in its limited burst time I wonder if it won't just punch pinholes in, which could admittedly cause plenty of wasting logistical death, in sort of similar fashion to the German jets having problems with their large-bore low-velocity 30mm autocannons just not hitting things to begin with. 20mm cannons are the cozy middle ground for WW2 era anti-fighter guns.

It's either going to be irrelevant thanks to the Germans not shooting themselves in both feet due to the war starting to close in Axis favor, or it's going to be irrelevant because the war is already closing in Allied favor, unless the war is going full tilt through the immediate postwar years, and if that's happening it means the Germans are going to be getting (or already have from the start, with the Pfeilflügel II arrow wing concept accepted in '41) radical new fighters of their own with MiG-15 like sweeps in order which might just eat the straight-winged P-80 for lunch.

Now, to be fair, the P-80A did have a single test model, no. 44-85354, which was fitted with quad 20s. They can fit. The problem is that someone with severe irrational hatred for those dirty tea-sipping bongs will probably cockblock it as hard as possible, the same way that the Pershing and its 90mm cannon were repeatedly cockblocked, or how NATO was arm-twisted into adopting a slightly modified .30-6 as its standard service cartridge instead of any number of revolutionary intermediate cartridges, in particular murdering the British EM-2 and its half-intermediate .280 British cartridge. And then we ended up getting converting to 5.56 anyways some time later, and are trying to reinvent the wheel of .280 with all manner of halfhearted 6-7mm projects.

>what is Gloster Meteor

A nice plane with better engine placement than the 262, though still too far off center from the fuselage. Has quadruple Hispano 20mms, which is perfect. Will fly cautiously uninterceptible recon missions as per OTL until such time as it's clear that the Germans have gotten their shit pushed in so far that there's no worry of a downed aircraft getting captured & exploited by Jerry or Uncle Joe to run ground attack and get shot at by Wally forces for looking like 262s (reality) or until things start getting bad with better German props & jets managing to successfully cause unacceptable bomber & escort fighter losses up to or slightly before the point where the British got the Meteor in production, at which point they start a back-foot mass production program that will probably suffer similarly as the Germans did under enemy pressure and the poor state of a fair slice of British industry even after wartime improvements, relative to the other powers.

They made a shitload of Merlin engines as a great virtue, and in exchange threw out awful stinkers for AFVs & emergency guns like the Sten while soldiering on with old high-quality tooling models all the while. If the Germans do well enough to improve faster and/or delay things enough for Meteor-on-262-&-friends action, I do not see any reason to believe that a rush to parity in numbers and concept under possibly compromised industrial position wouldn't compromise the fine aircraft that is the Meteor in the same way as, say, the Heinkel 162 light jet fighter, which got fucked by something like half a year from drawing board to mass production with problems that simply couldn't be solved in the rush even though they were known, for tooling and material reasons. Controls too feathery. Rudder wonky. Dihedral wings were a bit off. Substitute for now-nonexistent Tegofilm airplane glue corrodes the plywood. You can see the possibility that if the British have to get the Meteor running in force before it's quite ready, or in a different and more radical form than OTL (wing sweep copying a more radical late 262, perhaps?) that they can botch something along the way.

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