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In its current form it's a pretty minimal return on investment. If this was some radical night and day difference in visual quality it would be more impressive, but graphics have come so far along just by having clever ways to fake things that once you add in real ray tracing the leap forward feels much smaller than it would have been had it been implemented 5-10 years ago.

they had to use not one but two 2080ti and i presume its running only at 2k 60fps and all they had to show was reflections on the water and on a puddle, not worth the extra $1500 over a 1080ti if you ask me

Pricing is fucking insane, although I just wanna know how it compares to the 1080.

>>15371476

sub 40fps

>>15371477

in the 15-25% performance boost over 1080

>>15371498

I enjoyed Dark Athena because I played it in 2017.

A shitton of games I found mediocre or shit before I know find a newfound appreciation as they're better designed and have more ambition than most of the shit we see today.

>>15371499

Lower your expectations considerably.

Also this is a shill thread

>>15371503

It has really bad mouse input lag on PC and it makes it really irritating to play. The engine also has issues with the AI reading inputs and any sort of melee combat section requires you to just hope you win instead of earning your victory. It's bad because it's broken, I genuinely found it hard to judge the design compared to EFBB simply because the game not working on PC kept me from putting my finger on it. Maybe it works normally on consoles but I didn't pirate that version. At least there's the original EFBB that works like gold.

>Just look at these comparison images

literally can't tell the difference.

RTX on looks like the brightness went up 3% maybe.

>>15371462

for the amount of money you'd have to pay the difference visually is minor at best what the fuck man how do you convince someone to give up that much cash for this shit

>>15371510

The games go to great lengths to try and take proper lighting which is why the comparison isn't that significant, especially when reflections aren't really detailed and you don't care whether their reflections are real.

They really should just use a mirror to show off the difference.

>>15371530

I should have added; for the average person if you do not clearly tell them what to look for and understand why it looks different then they won't be able to tell you anything besides "huh this water looks a bit different"

Maybe they didnt give enough proper examples but good gameplay comes first above all else are you telling me someone will spend +1k just to stare at some graphical differences between shit-tier modern games? I hope at least there are a few that support this which are worth playing

>>15371580

>in four years when we can actually get 60fps with it at an affordable priceAnd then another four years for some decent games that actually use it

Add another 4 years for actually having a decent monitor to display it. Fuck LCDs.

Nvidia RTX isn't a let down, it's worse. I skipped 2 gens already and drove my previous card to the ground which I was lucky enough to be able to RMA

But this, this is just, I don't know man, unlimited jewry?

The amount of money being asked just for a card that can potentially do ray-tracing good but a mere 20-30% increase on specs vs the current 10xx, is something just I can't get behind.

I hope AMD can pull out something better after Vega, unless anyone here thinks Vega64 is good for gaemz

>>15371630

Although tbh the new Metro game doesn't look so great. There's some clutter like glass shards that looks awful, doesn't resemble glass at all. There's also ground textures/materials that have no blending between them, like on the ground you often see a completely hard edge between two textures.

I played 2033 and Last Light. Those games could look really impressive at times, but are they heavily optimizing for consoles with the newest one? Because this new one is not looking so great.

>>15371648

>I hope AMD can pull out something better after Vega, unless anyone here thinks Vega64 is good for gaemz

Vega was underwhelming to say the least. What you're waiting for is Navi which will use 7nm architecture. Navi should, theoretically, see a significant performance uplift if only just from using 7nm.

the showcase is incredibly underwhelming

you can do all those reflections and shadows with what we have right now, and it would cost less performance, it wouldnt 100% be correct, but who will tell the difference?

main actual gain from this i think still is that

development will get easier overall, there a lot of hacky solutions that take ages to get working right out there, and if we can replace it with something that makes life easier for everyone, we would get bump to the productivity

Waiting for amds repsonse

They have had the same tech for industrial server farms and workstations for 2 years so it won't take long

AMD has everything, even the AI already in production in everywhere else besides few things missing from consumer tech

They just dont have the Raytracing hardware on silicon right now, that should be the next thing

>>15371776

This.

At least it's the biggest technical push they've done in over a decade I haven't seen a leap this small since dx10 to dx11 tho

So many deminishing returns.

Maybe we will get socs with more tightly integrated rtx stuff and mcm but until then it's just not worth it.

Like all their other x works stuff it will get copied and become the next gen standard in 5-10 years

>>15371808

I don't know but I've been banned for less…

>>15371778

Gonna swap to *nix as soon as that steam based wine fork gets good

>>15371808

Even shills are outsourced.

>>15371794

Trump is 72. I hate his Zionism, but this is clearly ignorance more than malice.

>>15371829

>all posts deleted

seems excessive

>/v/ - Censorship

>>15371482

If that's true, it's not even remotely worth it.

>>15372101

The fact Ubi didn't spin-off Black-Flag into its own mini franchise is proof they're fucking incompetent. They could have still tangentially tied it into the AC world and lore, but had it completely removed aside from a few shared names and whatever.

Truly a wasted opportunity.

>>15372207

what is this image supposedly showing? you know that's the Maxwell Titan X in that picture, right? it's the same GPU as in the 980 Ti, except that it has all of its functional elements enabled (the 980 Ti has a small number disabled), however, the 980 Ti runs at a higher clock rate.

>>15372229

Ubishit is doing a dedicated pirate game though. It's called Skull and Bones. It seems to just be rehashing things from Black Flag. It's weird that it took them this long to even do that.

>>15372249

It is showing benchmark results for the video game Shadow of Mordor run at the resolution 2560x1440 on Ultra High settings for various graphics cards, in frames displayed per second.

>>15372258

I didn't know that, but the name rings a bell. I guess I heard it at E3 but got it confused with that MS pirate game that came out around the same time.

>>15372277

You probably forgot about it deliberately after they said it was "online open-world multiplayer" since Sea of Thieves was the same shit and disappointing as fuck.

>>15372317

> You probably forgot about it deliberately after they said it was "online open-world multiplayer" since Sea of Thieves was the same shit and disappointing as fuck.

Shit that's exactly right. Now I remember.

Games as a service is shit. Give me a proper single-player campaign for fuck's sake.

>>15372249

>he didn't notice the 2012 HD7970 running in the same ballpark as the 2013 GTX 780 while the 2012 GTX 680 is crashing with no survivors

I'm curious as to wether or not we'll see a similar situation with the Vega and Pascal cards in the coming years.

>>15372361

GTA V hates running at anything more than a "cinematic" framerate

>>15372325

you are fucking illiterate

>>15371647

>Fuck LCDs

Amen to that

>>15371462

oh look another excuse for faggot developers to shovel bloated poorly optimized GRAFIX in our eyes while the game remains an unplayable mess

>JUST BUY 2 RTX2080s FAGGOT WHAT ARE YOU POOR?

>>15371462

>Thoughts on RTX?

almost no difference in those pics, and the games are as shit as always

>>15371462

IMO, raytracing is for those who wish to live in the Uncanny Valley full-time.

RTX = blurred reflection

Totally new and innovative technology.

AMD has been rendering stuff with ray tracing for graphical design firms for years. It’s only a matter of time before they come out with a competing product that can do the same with better image quality. Hopefully it will be a separate card for this stuff as I don’t want to be paying $1000+ for having all this shit stuffed into one card.

>>15371462

>>15371462

>>15371513

>>15371532

>>15371580

So the only effect is lighting? Cause outside the windows all the outdoor shots look slightly worse.

I should just build a 2nd $2000 PC and use it for RTRT rendering…

>>15371630

>>15371580

>>15371462

How much of a soyboy do you have to be to participate in such events? Holly shit, you have to be some really pathetic human being to sit down and look at newly relased video games.

>>15373510

at 45fps

I think it s a scam

>>15373483

ironic shitposting is still shitposting, niggerfaggot

>>15371549

Try linking two brain cells together.

> RTX on looks like the brightness went up 3% maybe

Its not that he literally can't tell the difference (faggot misuse of the word literally can go fuck itself), it's just that it looks like brightness went up and it's not a significant improvement.

>>15373575

>Its not that he literally can't tell the difference

Actually click the .gif

for what game though? I cant really of anything worthwhile in future when even Cyberpunk turned into gender shits.

>>15371462

it looks like a very, very, very marginal "improvement" if you can call it that.

the margins of improvement are just way smaller because graphics as a whole are so good in general these days.

I feel zero need to upgrade from my 1050ti lol

>>15371462

So, pay almost a thousand dolars for light, shadow and reflection improvements that will take years to become widely used ?

What a joke.

>>15371580

Would be interesting to see if gets adopted before 4K60fps becomes a thing.

Good thing its for both Vulkan and DX12 at least.

>>15373525

>reflections look slightly better while everything looks slightly worse

Now you can play Oblivion as intended, with good looking reflections on plastic people.

>>15373655

Where does it look slightly worse? Not trying to be snarky, I just don't see it.

>>15373659

>trying to sell mirror reflections as a new feature

the goyim will actually fall for it

>>15373525

>every surface will look like shiney plastic

what an advancement in graphics

>>15371462

>Thoughts on RTX?

Overpriced, and raytracing is long overdue. Unfortunately the results are…anti-climatic, tbh fam. I guess we have to make baby steps over the last of the uncanny valley.

>>15373686

>the goyim will actually fall for it

everyone is aware of the fact that current and upcoming gpu's are trash. People still buy it because there is no other option.

>>15373677

Colors look washed up and in most cases it just looks slightly brighter. And for example in 1st picture half of the windows are blocked by drapes for some reason. RTX somehow removes drapes from the windows so you can see the reflections? And half of the windows have similar looked reflections with rtx OFF, the other just had a fucking drapes.

And where reflections improved, they improved from the lowest res reflections possible, I havent seen reflections like this since gta3. Of course it will be a fucking improvement.

Only racing games could benefit from this technology and they already had okay looking reflections for ages. Cars look like a fucking mirrors in most racing games. And I bet you can achieve same effect if you make every surface reflective and chose only a few objects which can be reflected for better effect and perfomance, just like everyone was doing before, when developers cared.

>>15373705

welcome to Kikepitalism

>>15373758

They're definitely a jump over what is already possible but a lot of it can be faked well enough with current technology. Using raytracing is both a shortcut but also does provide higher quality results. The issue is the results are basically the sprinkles on top, you wouldn't notice if they were gone but them being there adds a little bit extra. Then you find out you're running the games a quarter as fast and it becomes a question of why.

>>15371549

i wasn't even looking at that, I was concentrating on the water reflections on the street.

It goes to show you just how much people look at shit like that on the peripheral vision. It's a huge difference now that you pointed it out, but I honestly didn't even see it until you did, my concentration was not drawn to the buildings on the side.

>>15373525

is there a reason why the flame looks like it came out of a playstation 1? it looks great on the car reflection, but it looks like shit dead on.

>>15373779

>>15371549

Actually part of human eye is blind, they put things into a fucking blind spot, what a great fucking improvement.

>>15373586

Do you have problems comprehending sentences?

>>15373837

>ray trace meme.png

Stop calling things you don't understand memes. RTX may be a meme, ray tracing isn't.

That being said, it wouldn't really add much development time like that anon said because the technology is already known and has been implemented before. It'd be more like the very well known chromatic aberration algorithm that devs can just thrown in if they feel like it. The reason it might end up being a gimmick is that developers make things aiming at the lowest common hardware denominator. They can't force the game to have ray tracing if AMD doesn't come up with a competent implementation, and they have to account for previous GTX cards as well. Games will look fine without it.

>>15373858

Was the name of the image I saved from a thread, but honestly I feel like this push won't work till another 10 years.

nvidia keeps pushing retarded technology that is proprietary and only a few studios use. does anyone here really give a fuck about hairworks? or what was that one technology they had like a decade ago that no one gives a fuck about. something to do with fabrics seeming more lifelike. forgot the name of it because no one gives a fuck. also with this new shadows shit, who fucking cares? fps gamers are gonna be putting shit all on low settings anyhow to get the most frames out of the game.

>>15373823

Do you have problems viewing .gifs?

>>15374043

I'll spell it out for you: the difference isn't substantial for the majority of the times and some missed reflections are inconsequential.

Jesus.

>>15372101

>>15372229

Black flag was unironically a good pirate, it was AC in pretty much name and a few bits only.

>>15372207

Don't care I only play older games

>>15373712

>And I bet you can achieve same effect if you make every surface reflective and chose only a few objects which can be reflected for better effect and perfomance

Aren't the old type of reflections "baked-in" or whatever? These actually reflect the environment so if you destroy a building it will get destroyed in the reflection, AFAIK other games don't do that unless it's some kind of elaborate set piece, but with ray tracing you can basically have it on anything.

Personally though, I am mostly looking forward to the huge improvement for dark areas, at least whenever there are enough games that actually do it.

This rtx crap is only useful for devs atm who can afford Titan T/2080ti/quadro

A single turing is useless for even 1080p 60fps with rtx on

>>15374088

>just that it looks like brightness went up

>Yeah okay so there's a difference because of the reflections but who cares

kek

>>15374122

>>15374106

You're missing the point of my posts.

>>just that it looks like brightness went up

It does. Reflections don't affect the environment in a substantial manner for the majority of the scenarios.

That's not to say the technology doesn't do anything. It's a major breakthrough to be able to do this in real time, but games have gotten so good at faking reflections that it doesn't really look much "better" compared to techniques that have existed before. If anything, it goes to show how good we've gotten at faking the effect before.

>>15374243

I don't know what thread you're looking at. Most people are saying the difference is there but it's underwhelming. You're being oversensitive about this.

>>15374243

Thanks anon, I didn't know this was such a huge difference. I will be buying a $1200 graphics card to enjoy this massive leap in image quality!

>>15374243

I've switched the images back and fourth, and I find it difficult to tell the difference without actively looking for it. It's like the difference between 2xAA and 4xAA, it's not that obvious.

>>15374256

It isn't even about shilling or the money. It's like he's saying you're not allowed to be indifferent about this new tech.

It has relevant applications in many areas, but mainstream gaming is the focus of this new card and marketing strategy. It's not just not a groundbreaking difference in this particular area.

Ey yo hol up does this mean we might get mirrors in games again?

What is even the point of realism in videogames? There are lowpoly games that run on toasters and are more fun than any of the triple ayy garbage that will use this shit.

>>15374243

I'm going to be real there doesn't look like much difference between the pics, unless you really look for it, this all very impressive tech and all but it feels a tad useless.

>>15374243

That shit is almost imperceptible. How many FPS do we lose by using it?

Shit sux.

Everyone was pooping their pants over Pascal because the 1070 gave you 980 TI performance for half the price, but with Nvidia putting all their chips on fancy reflections, we're not going to see anywhere near that kind of improvement from RTX. You know damn good and well the "$600" 2070 is going to be price gouged $750-800, which is downright laughable considering you can get a used 1080 TI for just over $500 right now.

And the whole ray tracing gimmick is never going to be more than a gimmick. It's going to be stuck in the same boat physx and all the other GoyWorks stuff: a cool looking, but ultimately superficial gimmick that never has any real impact on games, because making it a core mechanic would exclude 30% of the PC market and 100% of consoles.

>>15374243

>that AMD will likely implement as well.

Just like PhysX, right?

Do you realize that large companies who like to be industry leaders with new technology have entire departments dedicated to researching and patenting different ways to achieve something their company already does for the sole purpose of cock blocking competitors?

>>15374460

1070 runs worse than 980 ti though

>>15374477

>Just like PhysX

It was never more than a marketing term. Bullet has supported physics via OpenCL for years and it runs fine on AMD cards. There are other problems preventing GPU physics from being used for anything substantial:

- Many PC gaymers use laptops and GPGPU on integrated graffix is incredibly slow and buggy and might not work at all

- The CPU usually isn't the bottleneck so moving physics to the GPU which is the bottleneck is backwards

- Consoles don't have the horsepower to blow on better physics and their uncritical audience wouldn't notice

>>15371505

>adoredtv

mah nigga he is always on point, I always enjoy his long videos

>>15373525

>What part of it do you mean exactly?

I can't describe it, it's just worse? Like it's the difference between anti-aliasing 2x and 4x you have to really look to notice and you'd only notice if you ever tried to look hard. I'm sensitive to those kinds of changes so I just get this feeling that the textures don't seem right with the ray tracing.

Did the Nvidia shills get tired or something?

>>15374477

>Just like PhysX, right?

Arguably AMD's PhysX would be Havok which is not AMD exclusive, but does often appear in titles optimized for AMD.

>>15374514

Man,i am hyped to finally see part 5.

>>15372441

GTX 780 is a fundamentally larger class of GPU, it is based on GK100 while the GTX 680 is a smaller chip GK104

HD 7970 is Tahiti XT, closer in design to GK100 than GK104 (384-bit memory bus)

>>15374514

Switch 4K emulation, and emulation in general. If you don't care about emulation, then don't bother.

>>15375402

>why is she holding it like that?

>she's directly touching the connector!

>it'll get oil on it and the contacts will degrade!

>why did she bring it here, out in the open without some sort of carrying mechanism?

>where's the static-proof bag? How do I know this thing will even work?

>>15371462

I suspect we'll be subjected to half a decade of games with SHINY EVERYTHING like we were when developers discovered lens flares, shaders, and dirty, normal mapped textures.

>>15375402

>being given AI infused spyware, FUCK OFF

even moot sold out 4chan over used up pussy and look where it landed the site.

its still 5-10 years from making its way to mainstream amd and other markets like phones and siht

>>15375456

lol yep dont forget chromic abberation and other cringe shit

>>15375452

Emulated? No.

Realtime. 3-5 frames difference.

>>15375452

Switch Emulation is coming along faster than even the Wii U.

Wii U got emulation in around 4 years after launch, compared to 1 year and some change with the Switch.

Have some bing bing wahoo

>>15375470

It's a shame, but someone will come along and make some cyberpunk game set in a perpetual night-time and neon light filled city or some low fantasy game with realistic interior lighting and dungeon diving with realistically lit torches, and suddenly everyone will understand what the tech was made for.

Out of the 20something RTX enabled games on Nvidia's list, I play one and might play two more and I seriously doubt that many games outside of those will pick up the meme. And I feel like I'll turn it off just like every Nvidia PointlessInnovationWorks, where it makes a small but noticable difference at the cost of half your framerate and stuttering issues like Hairworks and their meme smoke physics did.

>>15375490

How on earth did they manage to make this much progress with wii u & switch emulation this quickly anyways? Do we even have proper ps3 or 360 emulation yet?

>>15375498

wait so this game wont have a vaporwave/cyberpunk mode? I really hope that gameplay demo is extremely early on

>>15375515

there is a ps3 emulator, i was able to get 15fps but thats only because my graphics card is 7 years old, i have a gtx 460 768mb.

there is a 360 emulator, and the wii was able to get that much because of patron funding, they got so much money it went by fast.

>>15375515

PS3 had RPCS3

Xbox OG still doesn't have anything let alone 360

>>15375515

PS3 Emulator will run certain games very well, the main issue is the fact that it doesn't run most AAA games yet. Runs a lot of indieshit/PSN games though.

>>15375515

Familiar Hardware + Nintendopamine autism = Hard fucking Skill

We are getting closer to PS3 emulation, instead of 360, funnily enough. It is VERY CPU dependent though.

It's getting so good even mid tier laptops can handle it. Imagine that!

>>15375537

inb4 Nintendo shuts down a paperclip factory for enabling emulation like they're doing to the ROM sites

>>15375512

Would be interesting if it made all scopes reflect and glow properly so all sniperfags can get fucked ,Which means they won't do it and that's 1 out of 3 things I can see changing gameplay in any way

The other 2 being , better see through or not see through glass , reflections of enemies on walls or glass to check your back(depending how good it is , I would like people to move shit and shoot the reflection instead of players)

But this might be implemented in 5 years

>>15375402

that image is repulsive.

go back to >>>/a/ where you belong weeb

>>15375609

Why do you goons even bother to post this kind of shit? We get it, you don't like titties.

>>15374569

I suppose I understand. There is a subtle difference throughout the entire scene, but I still generally like the rtx one better. Not actually gonna buy the rtx, but still.

>>15375187

>GTX 780 is a fundamentally larger class of GPU, it is based on GK100 while the GTX 680 is a smaller chip GK104

If bigger is better then the massive die on RTX must be a leap from the previous generation. Or maybe they just needed all that space for "muh tensor coars".

https://youtu.be/EGBbw2DLBEA

Power vr had this tech 2 years ago and could not find a market then amd tried to market similar tech around the same time

Don't care, not touching gpus till this retard bitcoiner pricing faggotry ends.

>>15376543

It ended three months ago. There was a 1070 on sale for $215 today.

>>15371462

The amount of shilling for this garbage is fucking amazing. There is only one appropriate reaction. -The- reaction every non-fanboy had right when this was shown off. It's an expensive nothing.

Nvidia seems to be pouring money into getting people convinced it's revolutionary. Reddit, 4chan, 8chan…everywhere is being so obviously shilled to death because nvidia played a bad hand and are now massively shitting their pants. Anyone reading this don't be retarded enough to fall for it.

Seriously fuck nvidia. Green jews.

>>15376569

Wasn't envydia already memeing about muh real time gay tracing when the Fermi cards were announced?

>>15373659

Did they purposely choose the lowest setting on reflections there or is BF just that shitty looking?

>>15376569

My next major rig update is going to be an AM4 machine with some kind of Radeon card. I'm not a fan of Intel's "more TDP + shoving more cores on the die" solution to their 10nm stymie. It's like AMD's strategy during the FX days. I'm also not a fan of nvidia's ridiculous pricing for a card that does practically nothing to improve performance. The RTX series' leaked benchmarks with raytracing on are on par with if not worse than a 900 series card trying to run the latest bloated game at max settings. Why spend $600 to $1200 on a piece of hardware that's outdone by a card from two years ago that's a fraction the price?

For the price of an RTX 2070 you could get a GTX 1080, a Vega 64, or build a whole low to mid tier rig.

The RTX series is going to be nvidia's PS3. ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED NINETY NINE DOLLARS.

>>15375515

Nintendo was lazy and build the switch from well documented off the shelf hardware.

>>15376716

My i5 4690k and GTX 970 can still perform well at 2650×1440 and in my opinion games look fine enough as is. 4k gaming is a meme. What's worse is that resolutionfags are willing to sacrifice 60fps one of the main selling points of PC gaming graphics-wise so they can count the pores in nu Lara Croft's face during a benchmark.

What's the point of having a multi-thousand dollar rig if you're stuck with the console "cinematic" 30fps experience?

>>15371549 Still, i don't know wich one of these is using RTX, they just look slightly different.

Looks nice, but currently its the worst point to buy one of these cards because

>just came out = prices high

>no games support it

>those that support it have horrible performance drops

>by the time there will be worthwhile games supporting the feature and will be better optimized for it nvidia will either release even better cards or current options will drop in price

Why would you upgrade now its beyond my imagination

More Novideo kikery

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/

>>15376746

>What's the point of having a multi-thousand dollar rig if you're stuck with the console "cinematic" 30fps experience?

Even better, what's the point of owning a 4K-certified gayman console that displays upscaled 900p24 90% of the time on your 2000$ 4K HDR OLED smart TV?

>>15377138

rough OCR

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>>15377201

Exactly what you think it means.

Journos sign this. Then get access to the newest NVIDIA shit and are only allowed to say how great it is.

>>15377201

This NDA came after the GPP fiasco to ensure a tighter control on the "tech press".

>>15377266

I have no fucking clue.

>inb4 (((they))) themselves pay journos for pro-NVIDIA (((leaks))).

Should we compile a list of fucktards that signed this crap, hell some of them even bragged about it, like Hilbert Hagedoorn from Guru3d and Wizzard from Techpowerup.

>>15377315

Yes please

I know chans hate ltt but he was extremely candid about apples bullshit and gamers nexus Steve went on a 10 minute rant about Tom's hardware's editor saying just buy it so those are the only tech journos I trust.

Haven't gone to a regular site since pascal launched and all that bullshit with them making Ryzen nd Vega look bad I never went back

>>15377138

>Confidential Information “Confidential Information" shall mean any and all technical and non-technical information disclosed or made available to Recipient from time-to-time by fee Disclosing Party

>Recipient shall use Confidential Information solely for fee benefit of NVIDIA and shall not: (a) post news stories based on Confidential Information;

Then why the fuck are they giving out review copies in the first place?

Is it weird to think that the shadows look worse

The best in depth info for RTRT. Look forward to it, these reflections are a great visual help for immersion. Video also states last 4 minutes, that 2080ti got about 60fps in 1080p, 40fps in 1440p, and 20ish in 4K for the gameplay. A shame since I just got a 1440 monitor and a 2080 will likely not be enough.

>>15379641

The DF video was actually the first time I really saw the ray tracing shit in detail because I didn't feel like clicking the official Nvidia shit. And honestly those reflections blew my fucking mind. The only thing Nvidia did wrong was focusing all their marketing effort at it because this type of thing is really difficult to market. They should've just wowed the normalfaggots with some graphs and then tacked it on as an extra feature for people who actually care to gawk about later

>>15379714

Well they did wow normalfags with graphs in the presentation, Jensen said 6x and 10x performance increase for RTRT due to Turing having hardware. He showed a graph of time per frame render for 2080 vs 1080 or whatever, and it was just like 20ms vs 20*6-10 so about 200ms.

The water reflections at the end with the boat's hull bottom were awesome. And implementing RTRT DXR sounds like a huge technical challenge to optimize, to the point that all these light designers will probably learn the ins and outs of DXR like the engineers for BF5 did in the video. Those workers that do all the cubemaps, I thought at first making environments would be easier, but its not easier, its just more intuitive/similar to real life for the way of designing the environment. Gotta select a lot of correct values and methods for every structure to get the appropriate accuracy to simulate real life.

Assetto Corsa Competizione is going to be a huge leap for car sim enthusiasts. I have a G29 race wheel so I'll be picking up ACC, car reflections are going to make racing pop out like real life. And people with VR are going to have a kick out of it.

>>15379641

Interesting. Clearly there is room for improvement and different methods are already being explored to provide raytraced reflections without the performance hit. They were developing this stuff on older GPUs to begin with and now that hardware acceleration is possible things become much easier.

>>15379868

Yea, and in your pictures posted earlier, let's just say RTRT shouldn't be shown with pictures of on and off, because what you miss with pictures is → real time. RTRT is a visceral experience, you have to actually see it in motion (high resolution 60fps+ video) to understand how much a benefit it is to have as opposed to not having RTRT.

Side note, metal plate armor would look really cool with RTRT. Kingdom Come Deliverance or Bannerlord, take note of this and make it happen.

>>15380326

Of course! How could I be so stupid!

I'm already in the process of ordering not one, but two NVidia™ RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards.

All I want is something that can handle AAA games on high/max settings in 1440p at > 60fps. Should I go for the 2080, 1080ti, or wait for Navi?

>>15379641

Why wouldn't nvidia or AMD just release a card that does ray tracing as an add-on instead of doing this shit? Kind of like physx remember that?

>>15380314

>This level of fanboyism

Ray tracing is good shit man. I bet you'd be sucking AMDs cock if they came out with Ray Tracing hardware too

Ray Tracing is the future. Right now it's important to develop software to use it, and the hardware drivers, but the hardware is not just quiet ready for it.

Things will be great by the 4000 series of GPUs.

Ray Tracing needs to come out new for the software end of things.

>>15382977

>Hi Nvidia PR here, if you don't like meme tracing you are automatically an AMD fanboy.

The post.

>>15383029

Yeah goy, can't wait to pay 600$ for the RTX 4060.

>>15383065

>Ray tracing is a meme

You wont be saying that when AMD inevitably announces their ray tracing hardware.

>>15383065

I'm not going to buy a 2000 series GPU. I'll buy a heavily discounted 1080 TI.

>>15383099

If it comes at the same performance impact and price gouging AMD can also shove it up it's ass.

>>15383126

So you hate Nvidias jewery and not the actual concept of Ray tracing itself then? Why backpedal faggot?

>>15383127

So you love Nvidia butchering technology and a ok doing it to ray tracing? Why backpedal shill?

Maybe I have shit eye sight, but I don't notice anything different besides some gun scratches.

>>15380314

Gamer's Nexus's video on this was hilarious.

>>15383335

John Carmack years ago, muh ray tracing. Graphic step in correct direction. Mad goy? I will only talk about RTRT, and never about making you choose to purchase one. I've loved the idea of ray tracing for years, of course I'm going to talk about a company that did hardware implementation of it.

>>15371510

The water has better reflections in the first comparison, otherwise not much of a difference for me either

>>15371462

I haven't had a chance to read through the thread, but how is this different from something like "Ultra shadow" which was supposed to be a huge deal but never really got any traction and I don't think was used in more than like 2 games. (Doom 3 and Prey)

>>15383668

Here's an idea, read the thread, or listen to someone explain in the video I posted. You have three sensory options, reading (uses brain more) or listening (uses brain less), or seeing the video (works while listening).

Didn't read? Click >>15379641

>>15383680

Fuckoff with your video, Anon's a retard but the first posts basically sum it all up as "3% brighter, better indoor lighting effects, might be better in dark environments, everything has a proper reflection, 45 FPS".

>>15383703

that's simply not true at all though

- it isn't necessarily brighter or darker

- lighting will improve by virtue of RT being inherently realistic

- will be better (visually) in all environments

- only reflective surfaces will have proper reflections :^)

- the BFV demo was coded for Titan Vs and has not been optimized at all for Turing (RTX 2000 series), and even it was running at 60 FPS in 1080p per IGN and DigitalFoundry

>>15383668

there was never anything called "ultra shadow"; Doom 3 introduced full realtime lighting using shadow volumes and variations on that technique are used (sometimes with old-school hand-placed ambient lighting as in fallout 4 due to lazy developers and/or console limitations) in most modern games, the problem is that it kind of looks shit because the shadows are hard-edged and unrealistically dark

fundamentally speaking, technologically, the two ideas (stencil shadow volumes ala doom3 and raytracing) are completely and totally orthogonal even though on the surface they might seem similar

>>15379780

>>15379641

>>15379909

>>15383637

>>15383680

>>15379641

>>15379714

>>15379780

>>15379909

>>15383099

>>15383127

Everyone already saw the difference. OP posted fucking caps. The consensus is that it's not a big enough impact to really merit the extra hundreds of dollars for ray tracing card. Even when AMD comes up with an implementation, what matters is that the difference is still underwhelming. The fact that this faggot >>15374243 had to specifically point out the differences by drawing gay circles on the pics only proves this point: it's not noticeable enough and/or doesn't really make the experience much better. It's so un-noticeable that he got desperate and had to draw fag circles around.

Go shill elsewhere holy shit.

>>15383729

Oh okay, I didn't know ray tracing was not a big impact. I guess all the things John Carmack said about ray tracing is a joke. Hmm, vr is a meme, RTRT is a meme, and so are graphics engineering. I guess the games I play are memes too, thanks overlord hivemind paranoid average poster.

>>15383761

>I didn't know ray tracing was not a big impact

No problem. Now that you know, you can go shill elsewhere. Try 4chan.org/v/. Good luck.

>>15383782

Enjoy your hugbox while you can, you wouldn't get away with it if it wasn't for you meddling janitor kids!

>>15383786

Ok. See you

>>15383794

Meh, the reason is that they keep upping the prices of each tier card. Used to be $170 for 60's, then it bumped to $300, same with 70's and 80's, now the 80 is at least $800, quite insane when you compare 2 gens ago.

>>15383794

Even then, we'll have to wait and see if more games actually support this to see if it'll be worth it.

I'll say this again because some of the shills are dumb and stubborn: the technology is legit and being able to do this in real time is a great breakthrough. I'm not denying this. It's just that when applied to games, the difference between it being off or on is underwhelming and only goes to show how good we got at faking the effects of proper lightning and reflections without this feature.

This was done four years ago on fucking laptop hardware. Note the infinite perfect reflections, caustics, and actually unlimited detail due to meshless geometry. RTX isn't just a meme, it's a scam.

>>15383957

Lol wake me up when that point cloud crap works with animation

>>15384005

It ain't point clouds, nigga.

>>15384043

OK show me it working in a game I'll wait…

>>15384005

Are you confusing it with that Euclideon scam or whatever it was called?

This is just ray marching. You are correct in that it's not very well suited for conventional animation (triangles and shit). Can do fun but impractical procedural shit with it though, like vid related.

>>15384049

Here's the method running in Unity, with motion and animation.

Meme tech

Wait until it's mainstream

>>15384318

Yes

Talking about tech on /v/

>it's a meme

>it's a meme

>I fucking hate nvidia

>it's a meme

>can't see any difference

>shill

>it's a meme

>shill

>[rare comment discussing the tech]

>shill

>death to nvidia! AMD ackbar!

>it's a meme

>there's literally no difference

>ngreedia

>JUST BUY IT - Tom's Hardware

>it's a meme

>it's a meme

>just buy AMD™

>shill

Talking about tech on /tech/

>botnet

>botnet

>fuck proprietary software (video games)

>botnet

>open source

>I want to fuck Libbie!

>botnet

>chinkpad

>open source

>programming

>botnet

>botnet

>open source

>fuck [99.999% of all tech companies] for using proprietary shit

>botnet

Okay, well for the few people actually interested in new technology, how it works, what it can do, there was a Q&A with an Nvidia guy and he talks about NVlink here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnDRtZ_ODM&t=38m1s

>>15385275

Well excuse us for not being too excited at having to drop 1k every year on a new gpu until this tech actually matures.

I'm just gonna wait my my gtx 1080 till amd and Intel put something out

>>15385275

It's just another talking head. Wait to see if devs do anything interesting with it (hint: it will like physx). I'd skip this 'generation' since they're obviously rushing it as they've even put the Ti card out there and likely have something else coming soon after.

Founders Farce: How Nvidia is delegitimizing their MSRP

>>15385275

It's a meme tho.

>>15384061

Cool, but raymarching is mostly a sizecoding technique and has inherent drawbacks. Triangulated graphics pipelines are highly parallel and simple, with the shader complexity required to handle enormous amounts of geometry being minimal. A raymarching shader however needs to calculate the distance to every object in the view frustum per fragment. With 32 ray marching iterations in a 1920x1080 framebuffer, every new object you add is another 66,355,200 function calls per frame. And if you try to add conditional branches for simpler bounding box testing first instead, you'll kill cache coherency and for many fragments end up executing the raymarching iteration code anyway due to branch prediction. This scales very badly if you want to pump the resolution up to 4K or add supersampling. Plus, you're stuck modelling things with basic geometric primitives defined in code, a step back to the computer graphics productivity of the 1980s.

It's useful for drawing fractals and other easy to compute but hard to represent geometry, but otherwise impractical for most use cases.

>>15371467

so its just the HDR gimmick where is basically just supersaturated colors?

>>15387196

It's a real thing, it's just that we've gotten really good at faking the effect, and the end result is that it doesn't really feel much better to look at.

Good thing I use GPU's almost exclusively for mining and don't need the newest GPU to play the newest AAA meme game.

You don't need raytracing for good reflections. Fucking Half-Life 2 had them.

>>15387340

Why is he so perfect

>>15387363

Because you have a mental disorder.

>>15387561

What's his diagnosis, doc?

>>15387563

homosexuality and zoophilia, I prescribe two (2) 12 gauge buckshot shells administered to the brain via oral insertion utilizing a double barrel shotgun.

>>15384059

Euclideon wasn't a scam you retard, they have shown animation working.

they have focused on vr now.

>>15389946

Note that Euclideon's main technical breakthrough is their culling algorithm, crucial to discarding redundant or out-of-LoS voxels. Everything else about their system (especially the renderer) is pretty unremarkable, in fact, combining it with raytracing could yield major improvements, such as eliminating the "fluffy looking" artifacts from voxels.

Also, their "holodeck" displays are just 2D video projectors using polarized/shutterglasses, very much like the University of Illinois' '90s-era CAVE. There are actual volumetric displays, but of course they can't do opaque voxels.

>>15389996

Different types of geometry are better suited to different applications. For instance, voxels are best suited to to frangible rigid objects and amorphous media like liquids, higher math geometry like implicits/quadratics/NURBS are best suited to soft rounded shapes, fractals and other procedural geometry are best suited to certain organic shapes and patterns, etc.

Full raytracers, unlike the Gouraud shading currently dominating realtime pipelines, make combining these different geometric representations simple, which would put us back on the track of technological advancement that would've continued if fixed-function hadn't made everyone lazy in the late 90s.

>>15389996

>>15383327

>>15390032

The Avram faggot is in charge of Tom's Hardware now I think.

The guy in charge of Tom's Hardware Germany complained about the shitty direction of the English site on their forums since it affects credibility of the German website and he received a 100-year ban. Also, Tom's Hardware Germany still does tons of technical stuff and benchmarking that wasn't being posted over to the English website for bullshit reasons. Even some of the people working at Tom's Hardware English site were complaining and being banned so it looks like the English site for Tom's Hardware is being eroded by know-nothing quota hire shills.

>>15390052

I'd be okay with this if it were like GridCoin or something, paying enough money to compensate for electricity use, for clients to run the commercial equivalent of SETI@home or whatever.

>>15390064

Is there ANY English site with the giga-autism of prad.de

if NVIDIAs areTensor Cores are AI CUDA cores slapped together and nothing much else then

AMD already has released such cards as Radeon Instinct

but it has to be more than that since the performance is like 5x of Voltas

Ray Triangle, and like AABB(BVH) intersections, this stuff is fixed function and implemented in hardware it seems to have this boost

>>15390093

No anon, its not crypto, they are using your gpu power to increase google, amazon, intel, nvidia, amd microsoft's' AI. what you get out of it is a GPU. that you paid for.

>>15390064

Avram was brought in to turn Tom's Hardware into a site that creates clickbait based on trends, using the name and legacy of a once highly reputable site. Their writing team is being replaced with a group that just watches google for whatever's in tech news that morning and quickly shits out some "content" by the time you get to work and start goofing off on the internet. It will be pure shilling and bullshit written by people who know nothing about the subject, like a kotaku for hardware.

>>15390122

I don't think you understood what was saying.

GridCoin isn't cryptoponzi mining like Bitcoin, it's a payment system to compensate PC owners who run "distributed computing" tasks from clients on the Internet.

SETI@home is an influential distributed computing project that started in the 90s, where astroscientists allowed unpaid volunteers to run a special client program that computed tiny bits of scientific data at a time, allowing millions of PCs to act as a distributed supercomputer.

What I described would be a bit like Amazon EC2 or Google EC2, or Microsoft Azure, who offer computation at commercial "by the cycle" dollar rates, except PC owners like you would be the one being paid to run external workloads on your PC's idle cycles.

The question is whether or not the price of distributed computing is high enough to break even on electricity, compared to a datacenter's supercomputing clusters.

>>15390188

>it's a payment system to compensate PC owners who run "distributed computing" tasks from clients on the Internet

Neat, someone else had my idea. I called it MeritCoin because distributed computing actually produces something of value.

>>15390188

why should they pay you when they can do it for free?

>what I was saying

>Google CE

fug

>>15390198

Because it's something easy enough to get normalfag sheeple riled up about, that they might actually do something about it. Look at the growing outrage and legislation against whale-financed freemium, for instance.

>>15390052

And then they say that milions of home owners have "AI" in their homes and get in real big investors .There are many benefits in saying that your company delivers AI to people and they fucking pay you for it

>>15389937

Such surface approximations are convenient for modeling, not for rendering. Triangles will always be faster and less complicated to render.

>>15371505

The tech press can't handle this man.

>>15395617

Considering that all modern games only throw like 16 guys at you tops at any time, and most of the world is completely empty you could get away with having a series of enclosed spaces made to look open world and nobody would know the difference.

>>15395617

We're already tesselating below the 1-triangle-per-pixel level, polygons are completely redundant for detailed geometry if you have a renderer (raytracing) that can handle the real thing.

>>15398548

Polygon plus tessellation are all the detail you'd ever need in geometry. Parametric surfaces are stupid for realtime rendering. Raytracing is irrelevant in the discussion.

>>15398602

Compare

<bloated polygon model from on-disk game assets

<reconstruct inaccurate intermediate representation when loaded

<tesselate into triangles on the fly, every single frame that LoD changes

<render polygons

Versus

<perfect parametric model (or other geometry, such as voxels or fractals) from on-disk game assets

<fucking render that motherfucker

>Raytracing is irrelevant in the discussion

Raytracers can render non-polygonal geometry, rasterizers can't. It's one of the primary reasons IMHO to use RTRT.

35%

>>15399303

Don't get voxels into the mix, this is about polys and parametric surfaces.

>Inaccurate intermediate representation when loaded

That doesn't happen. The polys are exactly what the file says they are. It's not inaccurate.

>Tessellation on the fly every frame

Faster than calculating pixels in a 3d euler/bezier curve. Tessellation in real time already works in games.

>Raytracers can render non-polygonal geometry, rasterizers can't

A quick google search shows a bunch of academic papers on how to do it.

You don't know what you're talking about.

>>15399894

>this is about polys and parametric surfaces

No, it's about freedom from the uniform tyranny of triangular polygons realtime has been trapped in since 3Dfx.

>That doesn't happen

What do you imagine the shaders operate on when running synthesizing new polys, the mesh?

>It's not inaccurate

It's inaccurate to the artist's original model in Max or whatever

>A quick google search shows a bunch of academic papers on how to do it

It's how every offline raytracer in any professional 3D package has worked since the 1980s

>>15371462

I think Real Time Raytracing is becoming a meme Nvidia is trying to force and the fact that is trying so hard doesn't help. This doesn't mean much for gaming, not now nor even in the near future, unless all devs jump on the bandwagon which I highly doubt and that whether or not RT catches up, graphics will be held back by consoles… not to mention that when you design some environments in vidya you don't always want to go for the most realistic but for the one that better works with gameplay. The only people who stand to benefit from real time ray tracing right now are production and special effects companies and even so it's unlikely they'll blow their entire infrastructure to adopt this new tech that's on diapers.

We can already do most of this stuff without sparse ray tracing but of course they don't want to show you their old gen cards looking just a good while being $500 cheaper and playing games at twice the FPS.

>>15406001

thought so, fuck them.

http://archive.is/JibHt

http://archive.is/QRMnA

>>15375402

So for touring her vagina he gets a Turing? Sounds like a good deal.

>>15411955

He's actually getting ripped off really bad. If she had a 1080ti on each boob, it would be better.

>>15423780

They do it because people will buy them, even though the first generation of new tech will be made obsolete by the time "worthwhile" games that use it come out, assuming the tech doesn't crash and burn. Npissia Justifies it to themselves saying they need to make up the R&D cost.