/v/ - Video Games

>>15369075

It's a joke, anon. Calm your autism. Also, it's Sheik not Shiek.

Sheik grows a magical penis when using rule 63 magic

>>15369090

Why do you want Octoling echoes? or dk jr? or a shy guy? just curious.

>>15369114

>reddit reaction image

okay anon. You hooked me with your false flagging bait. nice try at sabotaging the thread.

Geno is shit from a shit game and only faggots care about him

>>15369041

>Geno

I actually find the argument that music for square games has to be licensed individually, which would make that 2nd mario section solely for super mario RPG and therefore Geno must be in pretty convincing, at least more convincing than the 4d chess furniture colours in the background of the direct confirming skull kid is.

>>15369090

I would love doom guy so badly

>>15369106

Octolings and DK Jr. are pretty cute and I think they are different enough to have a spot in the roster, and Shy Guy could have a very unique roster if they implemented parts from shy guy variants (like a spear, a propeller hat, stilts, etc), plus he is a main enemy from the Yoshi series and I feel like Yoshi needs more representation in Smash.

Why would richter have a smaller dong than simon?

They are direct family.

Why are smashfags afraid of bathing?

>>15369200

Why would you propose such a retarded question

>>15369211

If an image is posted then it will discussed if i find it interesting anon, no exceptions.

>>15369276

Then why would richter's be smaller?

They have the same diet and are both manly men.

And i have a good sized dong.

>>15369208

>Why are tourneyfags afraid of bathing?

Horrible smells also applies to TCG players. Just play it as a party game like God intended

>>15369310

How did you fuck up that image that badly

>>15369310

Compared to the standards, what kind of homo measures penises with people?

Who the fuck is Isaac?

>>15369208

It distracts your opponents during tournaments.

>>15369346

According to the chart, he's #1 for america. And with how he looks, he seems like he'll be yet other fucking FE clone.

>>15369303

>including characters already deconfirmed in least wanted

Why would Sakurai turn Shovel Knight into a character after revealing him as an assist?

>>15369330

He's from Golden Sun.

He was an assist trophy in Brawl.

>>15369041

>"A new square enix rep is confirmed. The one you know about"

Sounds like Sephiroth.

Square Enix's Final Fantasy's FF7's Cloud is already in. Cloud's highly popular archrival is the most logical choice.

>>15369346

Wouldn't that be Isaac from Golden Sun?

>>15369370

<<15369346

And I didn't see you were just fishing for (you)'s.

>>15369370

that was the joke, anon. ya missed the flag.

>>15369364

Being an assist has far too often led to becoming an actual character, and I'd rather that not happen with Shovel Knight in whatever game comes after this.

>>15369361

Uh, no. Golden Sun was an rpg where all your characters had crazy psychic powers like mind reading and psychoportation and shit like that. In the game, you could control the environment to progress through puzzles and use djinn to summon powerful creatures at your control. It's been years since I played, and I never finished the game, but the abilities of the characters in that game are pretty unique, at least animation-wise.

>>15369276

You telling me my pops has a third foot? I'm 10 fucking inches unless he has a record-setting Pocket Monster I don't know how that can be.

>>15369427

>lying on the internet

for what purpose

>>15369310

Is it just me or is Mark getting fatter, jesus cake boy you really need to ask /fit/ for some health advice before you have a heart attack.

>>15369434

>wanting a jew to live longer

>>15369446

>including characters already deconfirmed in both "most" and "least" wanted sections

are you retarded?

whats the appeal of this game? the single player? the online? local multiplayer?

>>15369431

>>15369437

Granted, it's 9 1/2 most of the time, but I can get it up there and then some if I'm excited enough. I don't care whether you believe me or not, but is this just a ruse or fact that dicks are more likely to shrink the next generation?

>>15369446

>Lyn

More Fire Emblem, so pretty shit

>Phoenix Right

Could have an interesting moveset, but I'm not too interested in him (and considering capcom already has 2 original characters I'd say he has a fat chance)

>Geno

Could have a unique moveset and I really like his design, but I wouldn't lose sleep if he wasn't included

not very good/10

>>15369461

Nah i don't unless i see proof

>>15369460

All of the above, usually, as long as you don't take it too seriously even when you're doing tourneyfag rules.

>>15369454

I'm just too lazy to edit it again tbh.

>>15369462

Capcom seems to want more involvement with Smash thanks to the MonHun stage and Rathalos, and Phoenix Wright is the most likely third choice, as his games have never been outside of Nintendo Consoles (though were on phones), and it's one of few series that isn't on life support. The alternatives are an actual Monhun Rep and Leon S. Kennedy, and I think Wright would make more sense for a Nintendo-oriented game.

>>15369446

>wants to main dorf

How's it feel knowing that not only he wasn't buffed, but some moves are even slower and there's a good chance he will be WORSE relative to the rest of the cast than previous games because any of the overall speed buffs will benefit already fast characters twice over?

>>15369460

Beating sonic up as mario

Lower input barrier than a normal fighting game so you can play with casual friends

More than 2 player multiplayer

>>15369466

What's the chance of us getting a decent single player like brawl had emissary?

>>15369472

Resident evil and phoenix wright are for mahvel man.

Besides, if theres a RE rep it would be either chris or jill, they are the most popular characters in japan and amonst the top in the west.

>>15369475

>implying i haven't mained Ganondorf since Melee

He's been getting shat on by Samurai since Brawl, what makes you think it will bother me this time around?

>>15369481

A nonzero chance according to the mystery section in the main menu.

>>15369481

If the "Spirits" rumor is true for the blurred out mode, we might be getting it. If nothing else, though, something like Smash Run might be possible, but that's nowhere near Subspace.

>>15369481

There is that hidden mode on the main menu. People tried to piece together the censored name and in both Japanese and English, it seemed to say "Spirits mode". That, alongside Luigi's fucking soul being torn out is thought to hint at a Story mode. No real idea, though, it's up in the air. Perhaps they're hiding it because Sakurai was upset over cutscenes being released online the day of launch.

>>15369487

hes full of shit anyways. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Ganondorf_(SSBU)

>>15369041

These lunatics who want another fucking meme JRPG sword wielder.

>>15369522

I think all the fire emblem characters in smash have cemented my distaste to ever even try the series.

>>15369446

Assist Trophies can be killed and count for your battle score. Someone had a theory that because of this, the game might allow all “fighters not currently battling” to be available as assist trophies. So you could have a CPU Mario jumping around and fighting on your side for a while. IF THAT’S THE CASE (complete long shot with zero evidence), then Shovel Knight might be a character ALSO WALUIGI. Otherwise we already know that it ISN’T a character, anon.

Finally, Lightning confirmed for Smash

>>15369368

Games that would have been indev on Switch at the time include

>Dragon Quest Builders/2&Heroes ports

>World Ends With You: Final Remix

>Seiken Densetsu Collection (Secret of Mana)

Games that have prominent Nintendo history/recent Nintendo as of 2015/6

>Bravely Second

>DQM Joker (3)

Games that have prominent Nintendo history/that demonstrate shared roots

>Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles

>of Mana series

heavily twined with Nintendo handhelds, got a collection probably negotiated during final roster as noted above.

>Fortune Street

relevant Square Games with Nintendo roots

>Super Mario RPG

>Romancing SaGa

>og Final Fantasy

relevant Enix games with Nintendo roots

>the entire first chunk of the Dragon Quest franchise

w/ Chunsoft who have worked closely with Nintendo in recent memory

>og Star Ocean

>actraiser

neverever

finally, with all that in mind, feasible candidates I can see:

>the original hero from Dragon Quest or the Builder with a zany kit

>the extremely popular hero(ine) from DQ3 with male/female versions as alt costumes

>any of the Dragonquest characters in one of the Fortune Streets, especially the wii one

>one of Randi/Primm/Popoi from Secret of Mana

>(Yew) or Magnolia from Bravely Second

>Neku from World Ends with You

>whichever Romancing Saga 3 main character has the most porn in Japan

>Joker from DQM Joker as a Pokemon Trainer echo

<any character who isn't Geno because it'll make people angry

really though Dragon Quest is one of the most important Nintendo-rooted franchises in videogames and I'm amazed it hasn't been represented yet

>Ray and Wonder Red have a shot

FUCK YES

>>15369575

Shovel Knight has starred in 1 game.

He has cameo appearances in 25 other games.

When can we expect the next smash direct?

>>15369588

October going by the schedule

>>15369522

Issac is a psynergy user. He's an adept. Earth bending, cool psychic abilities, Djinns. Your'e a pleb

>>15369575

>inactive fighters as assists

>they get moves exclusive to their assist trophy iteration

>ness uses psi rockin before timing out

>wario dons a historically inaccurate viking helmet and occasionally stuns foes on the ground with an ass stomp

>daisy throws giant ricocheting bowling balls

>cloud summons bahamut zero with an attack that takes a minute to complete

>>15369575

I was thinking they made Assist trophies work this way in part so they could use them as Mini-boss fights in whatever single player mode we end up getting.

The only Square Enix character I would actually care about if they were added is a dragon quest Slime with a moveset based on rocket slime

>>15369578

Fuck I thought it was Lara "I hate tombs" Croft

>>15369756

How can squid bitch be your secondary?

>>15369756

9/10

>>15369041

>Isaac #1 in USA

Reminds me of that quote that Camelot would do Golden Sun 4 if enough people expressed interest in it.

though the question is if we actually want golden sun 4 considering all the problems Dark Dawn had, or if it is better left with just memories

I might not mind a HD rerelease as long as they kept it with sprites and took out the need for that 260 character password maybe put in a hard mode as well

>>15369960

The latest Shantae game was indie, I think, but it's stupid to call the franchise as a whole indie. The original game was published by Capcom.

>>15369974

Good list, 8/10. Missing a Custom Robo character and Wonder Red.

>>15369974

Who's that background character from every highschool anime?

>>15369964

If that 4 gives the franchise the closure it needs then I'm all for it.

>>15369041

I see that it's not Ridley who's too big for Smash.

Fucking Genofags.

>>15370065

The salt is always great no matter who gets in or doesn't get in. Speaking of, which character do you fags think would generate the least salt if they got in, as opposed to most because there's a ton of easy answers.

>>15370077

Simon. A bit irrelevant now that he's confirmed but he's the only newcomer I haven't heard someone complain about.

>>15370077

Every character would generate tons of salt because everyone has an opinion on who deserves a slot the most and they feel like other characters are unworthy.

>>15370077

Banjo & Kazooie is an almost universally loved gaming icon and no one would be upset if he got in, just surprised or excited.

Ms Pacman/Dixie Kong are obvious echoes that no one would be offended by.

Phoenix Wright is a meme because of Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and people would roll with him even though he probably shouldn't get in.

>>15370094

But the longer people have been waiting on them, the bigger the butthurt. People have been screeching about Geno since Brawl just like Ridley and K. Rool. If Geno got announced it'd complete the trifecta of salt and open the portal to the salt dimension.

>>15370077

For third party characters, Banjo-Kazooie I hardly ever see any say they don't want in. Bomberman is also a pretty popular one but he's already deconfirmed. I would say Slime or a Dragon Quest character but that would likely mean no Geno and that would cause salt. Every other third party would generate salt no question.

For first party, I think Isaac and Ray are both popular choices and the only real salt they would generate is by people who were completely unaware they existed, so 12 year olds. Other Nintendo First parties either have big enough fanbases that people start to not want them out of spite or other reasons like Bandana Dee, or are just fairly obscure. And any retro rep would generate salt since that just is what happens historically (See R.O.B. and Duck Hunt Dog's discovery)

>>15370100

Everyone says Ms. Pacman and Dixie Kong are obvious echoes, but I don't really see it happening, especially with Ms. Pacman. Dixie Kong has too much different from Diddy Kong where if you gave her most of his moveset, it would feel too lazy, and the rest of her potential moveset is very different from Diddy to justify being a not-clone.

And Ms. Pacman just looks so identical to Pacman, it would be extremely hard to tell which is which during gameplay (It's already hard enough since Namco doesn't allow Sakurai to change Pacman's color), and all Ms. Pacman has is a bow. How would she really be different from Pacman in the first place? I just don't see her as a viable echo, I think people only bring her up because they assume every third party will get an echo (which isn't the case since Mega Man's only real echo choices have been deconfirmed)

>>15370100

I'd be disappointed if Banjo's in because the games were shit and I doubt the character would be fun at all. That, and pretty much any other Microsoft/Rare representation would be fare more interesting.

>>15370077

No matter who gets in, Waluigifags will be upset.

I don't think many people would be upset by Crash and Spyro, except the people against third parties who already hate the game.

>>15370124

>I'd be disappointed if Banjo's in because the games were shit and I doubt the character would be fun at all. That, and pretty much any other Microsoft/Rare representation would be fare more interesting.

What other Microsoft character do they have that really would feel like they belong in Smash? Master Chief? Steve? That's pretty much it for Microsoft, and both would be garbage and out of place in Smash Bros. For Rare, Banjo and Kazooie is the obvious since they're from some of their most popular and beloved original games, and from the height of Rare and Nintendo's partnership. The only other choice is Battletoads, which while iconic, isn't as iconic as Banjo or as representative of the Rare and Nintendo partnership.

I'm not even that big on the Banjo games since Spyro is my favorite 3D collectathon and my favorite Rare franchise is Viva Pinata. But they're most definitely the most fitting and the best case representation from Rare/Microsoft.

>I don't think many people would be upset by Crash and Spyro, except the people against third parties who already hate the game.

I can sorta understand why people want Crash, I disagree but I understand, but I don't get Spyro. I feel like people just sorta include them because they feel third parties are obligatory and not whether they really belong in a Nintendo crossover.

>>15370100

Banjo is a garbage character faggots only want because of nostalgia not to mention it would give MS a foothold in Smash and that's a recipe for cancer.

>>15370123

>Dark Samus has too much different from Samus where if you gave her most of her moveset, it would feel too lazy, and the rest of her potential moveset is very different from Samus to justify being a not-clone.

>>15370124

>>15370157

thus successfully demonstrating that 'no one' in fact includes a tiny handful of very particular autists. You round down for error.

>>15370168

if theyre going to give us more fire emblem i want someone unique from the rest of the cast in both function and appearance.

>>15370065

Damn right I'll be salty. I was salty when Jr. got into Smash 4 – we already had Rosalina, there was absolutely no need for more Mario characters – and I'll be just as salty if Geno gets in. He was a one-off character from a collaboration game kept relevant by nostalgiafags. Nintendo has first-party franchises they haven't yet included like Mach Rider, Chibi Robo, and others. I think, and will continue thinking, that Geno has never deserved recognition of any sort in Smash.

>>15370180

>there was absolutely no need for more Mario characters

Is that why some anons dont want Paper Mario in smash even though he'll make a great fighter?

I think Mario should be an exception, they have great characters that vary VERY differently and wont just be the same shit over and over like fire emblem characters.

>>15370160

Considering the sales of first party games on Switch, and the Switch itself, Ultimate will push at a minimum 6 million units, and I'd hazard to guess that it will reach up to 10 million lifetime. A few thousand, at most, retards, would fall under your qualification of rounding down for error. And guess what, someone like Solaire would get the majority of Normalfags' panties soaking fucking wet. If you oppose it, your're a particular autist, clearly.

>>15370197

I can think of a couple moves for PM, but Geno would be a more fun representation of the Mario RPGs in my opinion. Might just be because I was never a big fan of PM. I think that things like the Hammer attack could be incorporated into regular Mario instead.

>>15370210

as for paper mario, besides the hammer we have an opportunity to have mario attack by, get this, jumping on people.

>>15370197

I admit freely that the idea of incorporating the clown car into Bowser Jr's moveset and making the Koopalings his alts was creative and fun, but I chalk that up more to the developers' abilities as game designers than something inherent to Jr. as a character. Paper Mario could use the hammer, and Geno could use the arm cannon in some manner different from Samus or Mii Gunner. To use my examples from earlier, Mach Rider could passively drive his bike, and Chibi Robo would attack with his plug. Bandana Dee would use a spear. Shantae could transform with a special move input. Wonder Red could implement team moves.

What I'm driving at here is that nearly every new character introduced to Smash, save echoes, brings something unique and interesting to the game, regardless of what franchise they're from (the only caveat to that statement is limitations that are related to the character themselves, like most FE character being forced to integrate swords into their moveset due to the nature of those games). I don't think it's a good argument for why a specific character should get in.

>>15370144

What other Microsoft character do they have that really would feel like they belong in Smash?

Battletoads

>>15370206

Bakas can't win belts nor can they get into rosters :^)

>>15370243

arent toadies are just more rare characters though?

>>15370258

Yeah, but since Rare is owned by Microsoft's iron grip it can count.

>>15370275

in that case i want a mechwarrior boss battle for solid snake.

>>15369756

>Advance wars

my nigger

>>15370269

how much sugar would you mix into shan-tea?

>>15370322

>collectively

shud da fug ub

>>15370328

The general consensus is that you're a nigger too

>>15370322

>/v/ is one person

>>15370322

Also, I want either The Hero or Stephen as the Megaten rep, not Jack Frost by himself.

>>15370337

A strawpoll was made and anyone who had more than 10 votes was put in there

>>15370341

You think would be dishonest and cheat? on /v/? come on anon! have some faith in your fellow community members.

>>15370322

>not posting the updated version with 60-65 chars

>>15370322

This is exactly the kind of terrible taste I'd expect of anyone who frequents Smash threads on /v/, so I'm gonna go and pick out the ones that trigger my tism the most.

First of all

>Waluigi

Literally why. Go back to twitch.

>Hector, Sami, Isaac

Super irrelevant. The last Advance Wars was on the DS. Sami wasn't even playable in the most recent one, and not plot relevant in Dual Strike. Isaac was like 30 in Dark Dawn and that game wasn't even good to begin with. Hector is somehow the most relevant since he's in the mobile game, so take that as you will.

>Oasis Chief

Ever Oasis is brilliant but no. He's not nearly iconic enough. I guess you could argue that Bayonetta and Corrin aren't either and I would agree, but it just feels wrong. How well did that game sell?

>Shovel Knight

0/10

>Shantae

0/10

Fucking Bomberman deserves it more than either of them.

>Mona

I honestly don't understand what goes through some of your heads, but if WarioWare is big enough for 2 reps than its news to me.

>Earthworm Jim

Terrible choice, but would be pretty groovy.

>>15370410

Bomberman already starred in a Smash clone, I think he deserves to be playable.

>>15370410

Bomberman has already been confirmed as a new assist trophy.

>>15370168

If they add any new FE character I’d want someone with a different style like Hector or a Horse/Peguses user for laughs. For echo fighters from FE I’d be want with either Black Knight as a slow cool Ike clone or GRIMA THE FELL DRAGON as a Robin clone. Fuck that other Robin echo people rumoured. Just make him evil and give him some evil looking fell dragon moves.

Mostly, I’d want just those echoes. Smash is going for lots of villains this time anyway. If not, either of them as boss fights would be okay too.

>>15369041

No cunt likes Geno. No cunt played Super Mario RPG. End your life.

>>15370446

I thought it was an okay game. Not as good as paper mario but pretty decent.

>>15370441

I want either Anna as an amalgation of all the classes they neglected, Jake as an ultraslow but stupidly long-ranged ballastician character, or MAYBE Duma.

>>15370441

For other series echoes, I’d want Galacta Knight for Meta Knight, Medusa (or Viridi somehow) for Palutena, and Banjo Kazooie for Duck Hunt

>>15370455

What about Paper Mario as a Pokemon Trainer echo that uses Kooper, Thoreau, and Paper Bowser?

>>15370454

Oh shit Anna would be good too. We needed to have a Wario teammate added if not Waluigi anyway

>>15370463

OHHHHSHIT THATD BE COOL

>>15370462

But Jill Dozer's dad is digdugman, so why wouldn't he be in instead?

>>15370466

Anon, I was funposting. That's the worst possible scenario for Paper Mario.

>>15370463

That would be weird but also kind of neat.

>>15370397

>unironically uses relevance as an argument for Smash exclusion

>doesn't list Lip

Hmm.

>>15370410

The only characters in Melee that strike me as even vaugly obscure at the time of release are Marth, Roy, Ice Climbers and Ness, and if memory serves Fire Emblem 6 came out in Japan around that time so really that was a regional thing. Brawl had R.O.B. I guess. Oh and Pit (at the time). Smash 4, Duck Hunt was a surprise. Shulk was an odd pick but Xenoblade was recent and received critical acclaim. What I'm getting at is a lot of these characters had some sort of history to them. The GBA seems way too recent for a nostalgia pick.

And yeah, the king of party games unironicly deserves a slot. Shame he'll never get one.

>>15369986

>GS4 gets made.

>Still ends up with no fight with Alex.

>>15370201

>Ultimate will push at a minimum 6 million units, and I'd hazard to guess that it will reach up to 10 million lifetime.

Way too low. The WiiU version of Smash 4 alone sold over 5 million, while only 13.5 million WiiU's got sold in total. The Switch is already at 20 million and surely has more than half a decade of growth still ahead. Now, it's true that one shouldn't expect a rise in Smash sales proportional to that. The broader the install base, the less enthusiastic your average owner. Look at the Wii: huge install base, but the number of games bought per console unit was pretty low. The proportion of Wii owners owning Brawl was much lower than that of WiiU owners owning Smash 4. Nintendo expects the Switch to sell about the same as the original Wii, so should Brawl's 13 million be the reference point? I think it will be higher than that, because Brawl wasn't released right before Christmas. Smash Ultimate will be. It is THE Nintendo game that will come out at the end of the year.

Smash Ultimate will break the 10 million barrier before 2020 and easily get 15 million over lifetime, even 20 million are possible.

>>15370339

You'll get Joker and you'll like it.

>>15370452

On the contrary, I never cared for Paper Mario but enjoyed Mario RPG quite a bit. Curious how that works out.

>>15370504

You'd be surprised, but Smash is not one of the bigger sellers. For as casualized as it is, it doesn't push as many units as others do. Yeah, Brawl pushed 13 million lifetime, but the Wii did have more units than the Switch does out there.

Nintendo's biggest sellers are Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart and Animal Crossing. Smash will fall a little bit under all of those, I think. I'm interested with how well this one will do. I suppose 15 million is doable but I don't see 20 by any means.

>>15370488

I'm just saying there's no chance at all of him being in this Smash, with him being a newly revealed assist trophy. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be a fighter.

>>15370488

Maybe Konami just hates him. Or there's some stupid limit to how many playable 3rd party characters each company can have.

>>15370514

>The DQ8 protag can use Swords, Spears, Boomerangs and his bare hands along with some magic I think. So that could diversify his moveset a bit and make it somewhat acceptable.

But Morrie Mozzarella would be the better DQ 8 character and could fight with monster summoning and PASSION.

>>15370397

Lipfag, is that you?

>>15370376

magical penis

>>15370485

I would be extremely livid if that were the case.

>>15370568

His final smash would be him cucking his enemy of his/her significant other.

>>15370568

I happened to make a moveset for DQ8 Hero out of boredom before. Hold up:

>Entering the stage

The entire party appears like when encountering an enemy, but then jump off screen. Hero unleashes weapon and shield.

>Jab

Boomerang: throws a boomerang, edged boomerang, and razowing boomerang like a ranged projectiles. think of megaman's standard jab, except Razorwing boomerang has launch and more damage at the end. The boomerangs pierce through enemies, but just like in-game, the second enemy gets hit by less damage and launch, and so forth

<if this is too OP, just one boomerang throw.

<Could also make the boomerang be unequipped to Swords until the boomerang comes back to Hero, unable to equip boomerang until then, and the weapon is set back to sword (default) or whichever was used prior.

Sword: Basic Sword slashes. Think of Link's jab.

Spear: Multi-thrust. End thrust has launch and more damage.

>Tilt

Sword: Metal Slash: Really breaks through shields more than other attacks. think of ryu's tilt, but with longer hitbox. downwards swing. Conversely: Falcon Slash. two quick swings with little recovery time for neutral game.

Spear: Clean Sweep: Sweeps the spear horizontally. huge range. good for poking.

Boomerang: Super Throw. more range on the throw, faster speed of projectile, no damage loss on throw, but more recovery time than jab and only 1 throw. Boomerang comes back.

<Could also make the boomerang be unequipped to Swords until the boomerang comes back to Hero, unable to equip boomerang until then, and the weapon is set back to sword (default) or whichever was used prior.

>Up Tilt

Sword: fan the sword upwards. Flame slash properties (disjointed hitboxes of flame coming out of sword hitbox)

Spear: 180 with spear, more range, less damage. tip hurts. conversely Lightning thrust upwards. think of Corrin's forward Smash, except tuned to a tilt, but similiar range and hitbox.

Boomerang: Boomerang goes 180 from left to right above Hero/Eight. Less damage than spear, equal coverage, but little recovery time, very safe.

>Down Tilt

Spear: Poke like Marth or Roy's tilt, except with a spear. Tip is sweet spot.

Sword: Same poke, but with sword. Metal slash properties (breaks shield more or big shield stun).

Boomerang: Sweep with the boomerang. Trips enemies for a dash attack or grab true combo.

>Dash Attack

Mercurial Thrust. Quick Dash attack that crosses to the other side of the opponent (like meta knight's or shiek's dash attack). Leaps in with little start up frame. Equips the spear.

>Smash

Gigaslash: Horizontal motion with the sword, just like the attack. Travels forward quite bit after execution. Equips Sword.

(cont)

>>15370621

>Up Smash

Kazap. Think of Mewtwo's upsmash, but with electricity. Clouds would be higher up with lightning reigning down above Hero/Eight. Clouds also have hitbox, and just like Pikachu's thunder cloud in smash 4, spikes enemies down to the lightning. The casting jingle plays when executed.

<if this is too OP, hitboxes can be tuned up

>Down Smash

Kasizzle from both sides. Travels fast and it is Hero/Eight's height. The casting jingle plays when executed.

>N-air

Falcon Slash: Think of Marth or Roy. Two slashes in neutral position. conversely:

Flame Slash: swings the sword from down left upwards to the right. Flames come out with their own disjointed and post-attack lingering effect on recovery time.

>U-air

Lightning Thrust: Just like in game, hero pokes the spear towards the enemy, just upwards. Maintains an upwards position with the spear. Think of Link's up air, but with a spear. very long range and little lag on recovery, but doesn't cover much range horizontally. Conversely:

Flame Slash here, but upwards, and Nair is Falcon Slash instead.

>D-air

Miracle Slash: Just like in-game: Hero/Eight points upwards with he tip shining then from there it slides downwards in 180 degrees. It has little startup, but hero remains pointing downwards afterwards. Think of Link's Down Air. Very good as optional Fair since Fair is boomerang.

>F-air

Super Throw. Throw the boomerang. the boomerang will come back whether it hits enemy or not. it can double hit if it's the tip of the trajectory, then coming back. Equips the Boomerang.

<Could also make the boomerang be unequipped to Swords until the boomerang comes back to Hero, unable to equip boomerang until then, and the weapon is set back to sword (default) or whichever was used prior.

>B-air

Thin Air. Think of Megaman's back air, game and watch's turtle back air, etc. Multi hit with high launch on final slash. a safe approach.

>B

Heal: Casting animation occurs (as long as a falcon punch) and Hero heals himself a little bit. Unlike Psyche up, while casting and before it is cast, Hero can block, dodge, or cancel again by pressing B. However if Heal is already cast you can no longer bait or make feints with it and have to wait for the recovery time. Heal % would require game testing, but a tentative 5-10% depending on recovery time on animation and startup for cast. Jingle is also heard when cast and you can cast-cancel spam, so a certain CD for the jingle.

>Side B

Kafrizzle. Jingle is heard when cast. Big fire ball comes down the earth to create a pillar of plame that lingers, like Ness's PK Fire or Robin's Elfire. Conversely

>Down B

Psyche Up. Empowers all moves. It can go up to 4 times, just like in the games. Yes, you can finally have Goku in smash, or at least Toriyama's artwork and signature saiyan haircut when fully psyched up at 100 tension. At x4 stacks, the sound effect of hitting an enemy is the same as in-game (The critical hit Sound effect). Properties are given depending on number of psyched ups, including more damage, launch, shield stun/shield break, and hyper armor for x4 stacks.

>Up B

Kaswoosh. Leaves a Tornado. If used ont he ground you will place it infront of you. If used in the air, it is placed underneath you. Kaswoosh grants a big third mid-air jump for Hero/Eight and teamates. Think of sonic's spring, except it linger int he air while worming left and right. Depending on directional input it could squirm to that direction slightly. The casting jingle plays when executed.

>Grab

basic grab. with the hands.

>Pummel

Depends on weapon equipped animation will change. Sword is hilt on the stomach. Slow. Spear is stick whack. Faster pummels. Boomerang is the fastest and best pummel.

>down throw

push them down and a spell on the face. Could be sizzle, or for the sake variety just give hero/eight Frizzle and he does so on the stomach/chest of the enemy. If sizzle, throws them very horizontally. Casting jingle is heard when done

<maybe no jingle for throws

>up throw

Swoosh them upwards. Other idea is Hero/Eight Zooms upwards like charizard's seismic toss then Zooms down. Casting Jingle is heard when done.

<maybe no jingle for throws

>f-throw

Shield bash forward. Sets up for combos

>b-throw

This switches depending on weapon. Sword is a slash. Spear is a impale and throw. Boomerang throws them with the boomerang and has the best launch, a la Ness back throw. Boomerang carries enemy at a certain point then they are launched. Boomerang comes back afterwards

>up taunt

equip boomerang All taunts, for the first time ever, can be done while moving. taunts have no lag and can be done anytime outside of attacking (can be done during shield, rolling, etc).

<Perhaps not while being attacked, requires testing

>side taunt

Equip Spear.

>down taunt

Equip Sword.

>>15370608

No anon. Morrie is Italian and is thus fated to kill NTRfags by default due to intense cultural reasons and his upstanding personality.

>>15370579

>>15370478

You got me, I didn't recognize her. Panel de Pon is the shit but I don't see it getting a rep seeing as how the DS Puzzle League games tried to have as little personality as possible.

>>15370625

More notes:

Hero/Eight is a character that plays with Swords, Spears, Boomerang and Fisticuffs to attack its opponents. His competitive advantage is Down B special "Psyche up" to empower his abilities damage, launch and depending on the stacks, hyper armor or shield breaking properties. Psyche Up leaves you open/vulnerable until animation ends, so do it when it is safe.

In addition to Psyche up mechanic, his second competitive advantage is his use of different weapons. Depending on the weapon that is currently equipped, the jab, tilts and other things will be changed.

The spear is primarily for neutral game. more range but less damage, except for tip, which has high launch too.

The sword is for getting closer and standard play. More damage and knockback but less range than spear.

The boomerang is for keepaway. projectile, little lag. but no launch and projectile damage. Good to cook enemies up for desired combo percentages.

>>15370596

Honestly, I really don't think Camelot wanted to make more entries beyond the second game. They seem much more fond of making sports games anyhow since then (though that could well be more that that's all Nintendo clears them for), and Dark Dawn had a number of issues that seemed specifically implemented to anger fans of the original two. Beyond that though, with DD having broken the "four main characters" rule (GS starting with four, and TLA having four until the parties merge late game), how would the cast even work for a fourth game anyhow? Would the roster be expanded to sixteen total characters for a new eight, or somehow depower the DD crew to force them to start from scratch again (the latter being a very way to handle things, depending on the style of a game)? Or just continue things as is with the assumption that the cast is some arbitrary level (not helped in that there's not likely to be any means made to communicate a DS game with a far belated sequel on another system at this point, as far as data transfer goes).

Nintendo does have an issue of underutilizing the JRPGs they themselves own, except for Xenoblade these days. I'm not saying they should be constantly milking them, but Golden Sun's seen jack shit since 2010, they shitcanned Glory of Heracles one game after having acquired the rights and former team after Data East went under, and both Magical and Baten Kaitos remain two game series. I'm honestly a bit surprised that BKO and Glory of Heracles even saw a song each on Smash WiiU/3DS' OST. Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi still get games, but the former they don't seem to know what they've been doing with it since starting to flipflop on what gameplay/genre they want it to be (like there can't be two ongoing RPG series featuring the fat plumber), and with the latter it's most the first two games (or mainly the GBA and second DS ones) that people seem really fond of.

>>15370705

Reimu would likely generate more salt out of those two. However, we all know that Bub and Bob getting in would generate the most salt of any character.

>>15370705

Kunio would either get either salt or 'huh?'s from western normalfags, plus considering the "anime chibi" design he's got going on that might add a tad extra salt to the wounds but they could also end up loving him and probably make Trash Man jokes if he got a throwable trash can in his move set

>>15370734

Bub and Bob would be neat, they'd kinda have an Ice Climbers ring to them except they're too different to be an echo.

>>15370705

What about Toejam & Earl as a kind of Ice Climbers deal?

>>15370705

i doubt reimu is anywhere near maximum salt. the only salt would come from "well i wish it were one of my favorite characters instead".

sans, waluigi or mineyboy steve would harvest the most salt regardless of hotheads on /v/. there are people who are actively against them.

>>15370801

The most salt for Touhou reps would come from Touhoufags that don't want normalfags to infest their hobby.

I can't blame them.

>>15370820

2hu is normalfag is as fuck already, or at least the secondaries.

>>15370820

you mean the handful who insist they didnt already make their pass over it and pretend its as hidden as gensokyo? i thought we werent counting /v/.

>>15370852

Doug doesn't have the license anymore though.

>>15369041

what the fuck is this chart

>banjo after k. rool was already confirmed

who are all these retards, this can't be a legitimate chart, it just interviewed a bunch of fucking morons

>>15370864

K Rool isn't a Rare character, though.

>>15370895

>Meme souls

Leave

>>15370888

Yeah, do they not know Krunch was in the Diddy Kong Racing remake? Speaking of that, I do wish we had some Diddy Kong Racing music in, particularly Jungle Falls, Wizpig's theme, Star City and Strangled Shrine.

>indie-focused nintendo direct tomorrow

So does anyone here think we'll be getting Commander Video?

>>15370901

also didnt diddy himself debut in the same game as k.rool?

>>15370895

okay mr jolly sunny d. may the good blood guide you

>>15370901

>reminded of DKR's soundtrack

>remember how good it is

>wish that there was more new David Wise music to listen to

>remember that David Wise is not working on the new Battletoads

I'm upset now, god damn it.

>>15370905

It'll be Absolutely Nothing

>>15370905

Honestly, Shantae or some other indie character being revealed tomorrow as a surprise would be out of left field and completely unexpected, especially considering it's a Nindie Direct.

I half-expect it to happen.

Enough with the third party characters it's starting to feel like M.U.G.E.N

>>15370901

I'd like some DKJB boss music for Kongo Falls. Unfortunately whoever's in charge of the music doesn't pick any good tracks, just the most well-known ones. Which is why we'll get more remixes of the exact same songs we've heard a million times. More Mute City, more Corneria, more Venom, probably another DK rap. They never pick anything that would actually suit a fighting game.

>>15370927

Shantae's place is in the dumpster.

>>15370927

Would it really be all that unexpected for a smash reveal of some kind tomorrow? I'm pretty sure that Smash 4 got some reveals during non-smash directs, didn't it? I think that happened with Rosalina at least.

>>15370934

But anon, we only have ONE new third party this time so far unless you count Richter. Smash 4 had four, so clearly it is not all that much yet.

>>15370943

I just feel like nintendo is going to do something stupid with the ballot results.

>>15370954

Hopefully. It'd deconfirm Undertale, wouldn't it?

>>15370954

By the way, if Commander Video of all characters DOES make it in since he was the indie rep in smash 4 in the form of a dlc trophy or some shit representative of indies, what music from his games should absolutely be in?

>>15370966

Only time will tell.

What would Banjo's Final Smash be like? I am guessing the Jingonator but there are many options.

>>15370987

A cutscene smash where they push the opponent off the top of Gruntilda's castle and then a boulder falls on them.

>>15370987

considering all new final smashes are cutscene-ish, probably something like jinjos coming in and shitting on the enemy or whatever. Probably mumbo jumbo turning banjo into x and shitting on the enemy

>>15371024

Cutscene of Mumbo Jumbo and Humba Wumba turning Banjo into the washer and then he fires whatever the opponent's underwear is back at them.

Post tracks you want to see in ultimate

>>15371072

One day.

>>15371072

>Nintendo exclusive (excluding the mobile port)

>Getting a port for switch next month

>Still only 1 SE rep revealed

It almost certainly wont happen, but I would still want to see Neku get in, along with TWEWY music, especially:

-Transformation (Both the original and the Transformed mix)

-Give Me All Your Love

-The One Star

-Hybrid

-Emptiness and

>>15371072

Smash 64 had a nice soundtrack.

>>15371072

>>15370987

Turns into Wii64 visual glitch "Halloween" Banjo with soulless, pupil-less eyes. Automatically KOs Luigi from any percentage if he lays eyes on it.

>>15370992

And summons Phalanx?

>>15371257

>tumblr

>>15371151

Even the Koopa Bros looked more original than anything in the new Paper Mario games, and they're just recolored Troopas with masks and gloves.

>>15370885

Considering how pissed SJWs got over a sexualized kangaroo and faun in Spyro, the butthurt over Jim would be monumental.

I want the Square enix rep to be Root. Dragon Quest would be the best series for Smash.

Fight me.

>>15371341

Root? Anyway there's little to fight over. DQ deserved to be in Smash more than FF.

>>15371341

>>15371362

i cant believe i forgot to mention dragon quest when i was going on about how bomberman deserves a more significant role than an assist trophy.

but surely theres a playable character that doesnt look like link as imagined by toriyama.

>>15371381

Roto is awesome and iconic. So is Akira Toriyama's art style. Stop having shit taste, anon.

>>15371391

ok

>>15371404

i appreciate it, but anon has a point. that "generic rpg hero" look is really iconic to dragon quest since they fucking started it. i think.

He isn't wrong, Travis in smash when?

>>15371404

Was also going to post that, and his ultimate weapon ingame is a staff after all. Would be a good way to differentiate him from all the swordfags that FE brought in

>>15371402

Don't even reply to it anon.

You may cause it to sperg out and end up like a cancer on these threads just like lipfag.

>>15371433

>>15371402

don't know why you're both sperging out

nobody knew who Marth and Roy was before Melee

and thanks to them we have a shit ton of fire emblem characters in smash

>>15371456

its just a character from some point and click adventure games for the DS

>>15371465

>and thanks to them we have a shit ton of fire emblem characters in smash

And that was a mistake.

>>15371465

>its just a character from some point and click adventure games for the DS

Smash was always a great opportunity to re-introduce obscure characters to new generations and give their series another chance at life, sadly Smash 4 didn't do this, closest being Duck Hunt but that's hardly obscure or a japanese exclusive. I really hope Ultimate does this again for that one detective girl they were originally going to have in Melee but got cut out.

>>15371483

Brawl didn't really do it either. Granted Sakurai probably thinks that an Assist Trophy is probably the same thing. But it's not.

>>15371493

It did kind of do it with Pit. Granted it wasn't a japanese exclusive, but it had become rather obscure in recent years at the time. Same is somewhat true for ROB, but that was more of indifference than obscurity.

>>15371551

>Mind you, none of this might happen and SE could be stingy

There's a 99.9% chance they will be stingy. Also why the fuck won't they just sell the rights to Mario RPG content to Nintendo? Not like they're doing anything with it.

>>15369992

Chrono. I don't care if he has a sword. Fuck all y'all.

>>15371507

Well ROB was more of a western pick if anything, also I guess you have a point with Kid Icarus. However we really didn't get anyone that wasn't from a smaller franchise. Hell even characters from games that were coming out around the same time period were given the shaft by making them assist trophies. Ray 01, Isaac, Saki, Little Mac, Tingle and Lyn were highly requested at the time. Even now we see some of the highly requested characters like Krystal and Waluigi being given the shaft. I'm kinda hoping they upgrade some of the first party assist trophies for the inevitable season pass. What makes me hopeful for Isaac and Ray is that they'd be new IPs added to Smash. Ignoring the ones that are already in the game and paper mario and toon ganondorf. The top choices so far are:

Isaac

Bandanna Dee

Magolor

Dixie Kong

Wonder Red

Custom Robo

Miciah

Chibi-Robo

Adeleine

All of whom supposedly have more votes than Simon Belmont, a character that was said to have been pretty high in the polls. Now I'm not expecting Three Kirby reps, Dixie Kong or Micaiah. but I am expecting Isaac, Bandanna Dee, Wonder Red and Custom Robo to be chosen from this group. Another thing of note is characters from a new franchise. Smash WiiU had about six new franchises, not including DLC. While Sakurai says not too expect too much, I don't think he'd make the newcomer count any lower than Melee. Hell I'm gonna go on a whim and say that this is the final roster.

Inkling

Daisy

Ridley

Chrom

Dark Samus

King K Rool

Isaac

Bandanna Dee

Wonder Red

Ray MK III

Karate Joe

Isabelle

Rex & Pyra/Mythra

Mach Rider

Simon Belmont

Richter

Banjo Kazooie

Dante

Geno

Shadow the Hedgehog

That's about 14 Unique's and 6 Echo's

>>15371495

Nintendo outright owns the rights to Pokemon though, even if it's not an internal team that develops it. Similar with Enix (now Square-Enix) and Dragon Quest. I'm not sure how much actual input of rights the developers have after they've created something, considering most usually don't necessarily own what they create once it's published (unless self published).

>>15371495

would her final smash be puff puff?

>>15371585

>paper mario

Which one? Old Paper Mario with engaging characters, interesting partner mechanic and good story or new Mario with paper toads everywhere and random irl objects? Anyway, Waluigi and Krystal might still have a chance either through a future update or the theory mentioned here >>15369575

Also

>Top Choice

>Magolor

It may not happen and he might get shafted for Bandana Dee, unless he gets added as an assist.

>Dixie Kong

Likely but they can't make her an echo considering how unique her moveset is, which makes me wonder if they'll be willing to spend their limited time before release on more originals? Unless of course they use most of Diddy's animation as a basis.

>Miciah

Too many FE fucks as it is. Although I would gladly want her to replace shits like Lucina or the other new fucks.

>Adeleine

With Ribbon combo? But she's more likely to be an assist anyway. Either way, they could all still happen since nothing is impossible as it currently stands.

>>15371872

I she at Sandy's house?

>>15371881

That's a mailbox, lad

>>15371471

DQ3 is the ultimate final form of DQ in Japan. We are talking best selling game, most march, most porn, established many many many memes within the series and online along with many references in tons of games.

As for a move set.

Up B- Zoom

Down-B Create party member, summons a different class in a set order with each input similar to the pikmin for olimar. Thief, Mage, Priest in that order, randomly summons a bunny girl Jester that can taunt and charm opponents.

Neut B- Follow orders. Makes each party member perform an attack, consuming them. You can have 3 party members out at a time.

-Thief disappears and can attack from behind.

-Mage casts frizz.

-Priest casts buff and oomph.

-Jester casts charm which makes the opponent dance.

Side B- Whistle. Causes a slime to attack your opponent. Sometimes a metal slime pops out, just cosmetic.

Final Smash: Kazap. The Godbird Ramia descends, picks up Loto and any party members he has summoned and the group casts Kazap while on her back, the final smash is far more potent with a full team.

>>15370705

Didn't Kamiya say he wants to direct the game where Dante and Bayonetta crossover for the first time?

>>15371324

bretty good/10

>>15369575

>all “fighters not currently battling” to be available as assist trophies. So you could have a CPU Mario jumping around and fighting on your side

This is essentially what I think Assist Trophies should have been from the beginning, rather than just being "Pokeballs, but for things other than Pokemon".

>>15372954

>direct

Anon, stop, you'll jinx this into a retarded pun.

Predictions:

Issac

Geno

Banjo Kazooie

Paper Mario

Bandana Dee

Gen 7 Pokemon (Incineroar probably)

Echo:

Felix

Shadow

Isabelle

Probably more but I cannot throw a reliable prediction on the echoes

DLC:

Dixie

Sora

Some promotional character from fire emblem nobody wants

Rayman

Shantae has decent chances to be in one way or another

>>15370987

Jinjonator

Dragon-Kazooie

Wonderwing

Washing Machine Transformation

Mumbo Magic

Gruntilda

Summoning a Car

Banjo-Kazooie is so full of potential is absolutely ridiculous they haven't been added to Smash Bros.

>>15373148

t.- millenial born with a 64 instead of NES or SNES

>>15369303

(You)

>>15373226

And Banjo is a gay bear owned by MS, at least Geno is owned by SE who already has ties to Smash.

Banjo's games were trash

>>15373148

>>15373226

The difference is one of them is owned by kikerosoft.

>>15373277

Phil Spencer is an American businessman, this won't be a Kojima situation where Snake was included because he asked. Nintendo have to be the ones to approach Microsoft and Rare about this. Nothing is going to happen unless someone working on the game wants them included, no one at Microsoft is going to ask or "hand it to them."

>>15371872

Lip would make a great Assist Trophy.

>>15373288

To be fair, Banjo's inclusion is nothing but good advertisement for Microsoft, which they're desperately seeking now. They had a solid E3, did something with a Rare IP that wasn't a side-thing for the first time since Nuts and Bolts, and it'd be a love letter to the N64 as well. I personally think Banjo is shit and his games are shit, but it's very possible. As for reaching out, Sakurai has been leaning on the damn ballot, hasn't he?

>>15373347

Makes me think that while not for this game, it's possible that we might get Banjo for the next Smash game, if Microsoft considers making a new Banjo.

Does that then mean that Battletoads are a more likely contender to get in at the current? I hope so.

>"THE GOOSE IS LOOSE" uttered out loud in indie direct

Guys I think Groose of all characters is being confirmed at the end despite him having nothing to do with indies.

>>15373393

There is no way there would be a Smash announcement at an Indie direct. The point of it is to put some focus on upcoming small indie games, if they put a Smash announcement in there nobody would give a fuck about anything else shown, it wouldn't be fair to the indie devs.

>>15373398

Cloud is more an advertisement for PlayStation which makes less sense seeing as how friendly Microsoft and Nintendo are becoming.

SHANTAEFAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>15373404

Fair enough, but I still think we might get Commander Video later. I mean, I was mainly just shitposting when I said that.

>>15373413

What happened to blow them up?

>>15373426

Nothing got announced in the Nindies direct and that apparently means Shantaefags got BTFO.

>>15373486

This was the only brand-new thing from that showcase worth mentioning.

>>15373519

My mistake, then; there was nothing brand-new in that showcase worth mentioning.

>>15370341

>gmail

>>15373226

>The catalyst for the entire adventure and the sole character with actual motivations.

>Convinces BOWSER to see the mission through till the end and kill smithy

>Is the only character initially concerned with stopping the actual villain.

>Has the most dialogue and drives the plot if the entire game, essentially making him the main character.

>Has the single highest damage special attack in the whole game.

Shut the fuck up.

>>15369041

>new SE rep

with all the FF15 stuff going on this year and last year, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided on putting Noctis in the game.

>>15373738

It's Geno, he hinted as much. Additionally I'd say take Vergeben's word with a grain of salt. The guy has been accurate before, but he's also been wrong before. Seems that his Bamco source is legit.

>>15373506

why does that guy seem so defeated after witnessing a goose wash his laundry? id be thrilled to death

Fuck Ocarina of Time Ganon design, I want Twilight Princess one back.

I just had a thought. The third party companies with reps probably wont be happy that they arent paid DLC anymore, and will want new paid DLC reps to compensate.

Inb4 Geno is a DLC fighter

why does wanting a character tend to upset people?

>>15374721

Because Smashfags are extremely autistic about their waifus

>>15371392

That would be lovely, but her two games weren't big hits (the Wii sequel was only published in Japan and Europe) and Cing went bankrupt. Don't know who owns the character currently.

But you know who really should be in Smash? Epona.

>we live in a timeline where Geno is actually likely

What a world we live in.

>>15373094

>gen 7

>literally only half a year before gen 8 is revealed

>>15374788

This is actually a brilliant suggestion that I'm surprised nobody has come up with yet, but what would her moveset even be?

>>15374788

>>15375034

i dont mean to be a neigh sayer but i dont appreciate you horsing around like this

>>15374856

If an eighth-generation Pokémon rep is going to be in Ultimate, it'll have to be as DLC or an update, way after launch. There's no chance of them adding something from a game that won't even be out yet.

(Sure, you could argue that Sakurai started developing Greninja for Smash 4's roster before X and Y were finished, but X and Y eventually released a year before Smash 4 did)

joshy

>>15375167

I was expecting excalibur.

>>15375165

Always remember to keep an eye on those in case of fuck ups, even though I doubt they'll ever do that again.

>>15375188

fool

i think they have only ever used this song one other time, for a yoshi village in one of the superstar saga rpgs.

come on nintendo wheres my bongo bongo nigger music? i just want to be one with the earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss421nbCAJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5VBjq0oPZM

>>15375243

works for me. we can always use more witches.

what if that guys real prize for winning that tournament was getting braixen into smash?

>>15375257

whoops forgot the embed

>>15374609

>Supports deviantart tier OC character from mediocre baby's first SNES RPG

>Has the gall to criticize anyone else

>>15375526

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9yeuk3qFE7iSmRrUjY2dElmUVk/view

its funny, while i dont think this is complete by any means, one character i expected to see tons of buffs for was palutena who got squat aside from that firebomb thing and the omni counter.

>>15375605

hmm thats not right at all https://www.ssbwiki.com/Shulk_(SSBU)

>>15375605

>>15375608

The buffs certainly help, especially the uptilt and upsmash ones, but I the sped up nair I think might actually hurt him, since part of its potency is how massively prolonged it is.

MALLCing to the right art will be way easier now with the art change, and its nice that art shifting can be done faster, but it doesn't really fix the flaws that Shulk really struggles with (really slow startup frames and mediocre combo game that relies too heavily on hard reads). Maybe the backwards facing hitstun will change that, but I doubt it will noticeably change shulk's overall matchups.

>>15375735

will there be tifa tits though?

>>15371072

this will be one of cirnos themes of course

>>15376629

That's a stumper. I have no clue where this is from.

I'm tempted to guess it's from 1080 snowboarding?

>>15375165

>>15375191

Let's not cherry pick now. The game is still not out yet. Although I agree this is not a battle music, it's an improvement of the last version of this song. We're getting all the previous songs + improvements. Don't be a spoiled little shit now. Even though it is not the best pick, it still sounds good.

when smash 4 was in development they threw like 20 songs total on the website, when they had like a fucking 80 more tracks in-game done that they never showcased

>>15376965

This reminds me, didn't they say they were ARRANGING 34 castlevania tracks? This would mean that past versions/official arrangements of songs aren't included in that list.

>>15377391

Mines were replaced with a kick. And good riddance.

>>15377687

Holy fuck they're hideous

>>15377427

>replacing mines with a kick

now that's just silly

>>15377826

I look worse.

>>15377930

>assist trophies

As someone who only played the original Smash years ago (and wasn't impressed). Why do people care about assist trophies? Aren't they just achievements?

>>15377957

>Aren't they just achievements?

What?

>>15377957

>Why do people care about assist trophies? Aren't they just achievements?

assist trophies and trophies are two completely different things anon

>>15377957

Assist Trophies are like Poke-balls but they can Spawn major/minor characters from any series.

>>15377957

Assist Trophies are like Pokeballs, except they contain characters from a huge number of franchises rather than just Pokemon. Anything from Advance Wars troops to Midna to Gray Fox.

>>15377957

Trophies themselves were neat in Melee, because for some, it was the first time we were able to see some characters and whatnot in high quality for the time 3D. Assist Trophies were introduced in Brawl and work as a sort of summon for another character who's not good enough to be playable to help you out.

>>15377969

>>15377963

>>15377976

>>15377979

but they are just 3D models with text form what I understand. IIRC they "do" nothing. That is why I am equating them to achievements.

>>15378064

Can you read? Trophies are different from Assist Trophies.

>>15378064

I know this is a smash thread but how the fuck can you post when you're so god damn retarded?

>>15378064

They do stuff on the stage, usually attacking other characters opposed to the character that picked up the assist trophy. Though a few just screw with the stage in general.

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>>15378076

Oops I didn't read the second sentence. I was assuming Assist trophies where just regular trophies.

>>15378073

I've only played the N64 game back in the 00's you fucking jackass redditor.

>>15378126

Because you're attacking him in a hostile manner without giving him an explanation or without considering the fact that your first-hand knowledge might be foreign to him.

>>15378135

>without giving him an explanation

>>15377969

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>>15377976

all posted before I called him a retard. He had the knowledge presented to him and he is on the internet which allows him access to any further information he requires. Yet he chose to continue being a retard. If you don't call a retard a retard he will never stop being a retard.

>>15378137

It's doubtful they'd update trophies to reflect the current roster; Daisy doesn't even have the correct number of eyes anymore.

>>15378135

>>15378126

this, especially when I said I did not have this first-hand knowledge in my initial post regarding the misunderstanding.

>>15378157

keep doubling down but you still have to go back kiddo.

>>15373083

This would actually be fun as fuck as an option… Too bad Nintendo will never do something like that.

>>15373174

No. Their final smash should be both Banjo and Kazooie transforming into Banjo-Rex and Dragon-Kazooie. Back-to-back reptilian fucking rampage. Unless of course its something shitty like them summoning a vehicle from Nuts and Bolts and running over everyone… If not either of those, then it will probably be the Jinjonator.

>>15373367

I just want to pretend things can actually go well for a change. I'd settle for an open-world Banjo Threeie using the same engine as Nuts and Bolts (without vehicle shit) as long as its not as broken as Conker LR.