/v/ - Video Games

Up until the tira announcement and this I was more than willing to shell out for this game. It looks fun and I want another 3d fighter other than tekken to play but CHRIIIIIIIIIIST it sucks feeling like every studio is trying to use me like a shekel sponge. If they wanna hustle season passes at least show a fucking roadmap, it should be fucking illegal to say 'buy the season pass' with no roadmap of releases at this point. Didn't Bioshock infinite hustle a season pass and end up not even doing a full 'season' worth of content?

>>15360620

> "Please buy our game or our series will get canceled"

> Inject your game with Denuvo pozz despite all evidence to the contrary telling you it does nothing to your sales

> Game doesn't sell well

> "Why would gamers do this?"

that's

that's how it works

if the game doesn't make a profit they won't make it again. they don't make games to not make profits. profits means they can make more games. no profits means they can't make more games. they make money that they use to purchase goods and services from games that they make that make profits. they don't make money from games that don't make profits. this is how it works.

pirate the game if the idea of spending your mom's allowance on anything other than onaholes is too much to bear or if it's DENUVO-locked or whatever. just don't go complaining on here with your bullshit if they decide not to make another one. you're always voting with your wallet

I will NEVER fucking buy a game with day 1 DLC.

SC can die for all I care.

idk about held hostage, but they're pumping a lot of money into this game & the last few didn't do so well because bamco fucked them up so it's not surprising that they wouldn't make another if it doesn't recoup. t7's season pass was a complete joke and buying all the characters was still cheaper than paying for the pass, the only thing you missed out on was offline only bowling that no one wanted.

anyone wanna play sc2?

Nice try bamco, but I know better than to trust you regardless of your threats.

>Single player has been confirmed to last as long as a typical JRPG

>>15360607

Damn. Between this and the DLC, we've been getting hit with some pretty bad news.

I won't blame a good developer for bad publisher decisions, but a fighting game with character paywalls just doesn't sit right with me. Giving a competitive advantage to players who pay more is never a good idea.

>“However, it’s not like we’re trying to make the characters sexy. When we decide on the costumes, we always think about how best they can represent the characters. Sometimes there may be less fabric and as a result, the character may be sexier, but we’re not trying to make the game focused on sexy characters.”

It's also pretty fucked up how developers now have to go out of their way to defend what has ALWAYS BEEN the norm. There are too many sensitive faggots in gaming these days who get triggered when they see any sexually appealing characters in a video game.

>game doesn't sell well

>why aren't they making a sequel?

Shit dude you only got 0 int

>>15361484

Or you know they can do what other companies do; listen to player feedback and community concerns, then make the appropriate changes in a new game.

Hell even fucking Capcom of all fucking companies managed to figure that one out with DMC. They can even just do a "new coke" style approach.

everybody on this board freaks out over denuvo but nobody ever brings up an actual complaint

people said MHW's performance issues were due to denuvo but it was proven not to be, the game is just programmed by psychopaths

so what's the deal with denuvo DRM? I get disliking DRM on principle but why freak out so much over this one?

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>>15361260

>if the game doesn't make a profit they won't make it again. they don't make games to not make profits. profits means they can make more games. no profits means they can't make more games. they make money that they use to purchase goods and services from games that they make that make profits. they don't make money from games that don't make profits. this is how it works.

Except namco could release A FUCKING COMPLETE GAME at launch like in the PS1-PS2 days and still make a profit, i am sick and tired of this "If we didn't make season passes and overpriced DLCs our multibillion company would die :,,,(" BULLSHIT.

>Aren't you a "fan" of the series? If you are a "real fan™" you should pay whatever price we ask you, otherwise you are not a "real fan™"

I like also how these scumbags are pushing the narrative that we are not customers but "fans" and we are the one who should make a company happy and not the other way around

<Stop being so entitled! You should be thankful that this multibillion company is…

Remember that we don't owe them shit, it's them who should be thankful we are buying their shit and must do their best to make their customers happy, and if they ask us to pay full price for a game, you can bet your ass that we are "entitled" to have a complete product.

>>15361663

>ah, more "proof" that denuvo "totally doesn't impact performance, guys!"

that's not even remotely what I said faggot

this is why you and people like you can't convince anyone of anything

it's possible to change people's mind through discussion but only when you are arguing from a position of good faith

>It's uberkike-tier DRM that markets itself on being impossible to crack, initially, which isn't even true.

this is a good reason to laugh at it but this isn't a reason to freak out over it being in a game

>First, there's the fact that Denuvo takes a decent chuck out of a project's budget and takes work to implement into the executable properly

$10,000 is a drop in the bucket of the budget of an AAA or even a modern A title, it's nothing, it's a couple days payroll

I agree I absolutely would prefer that money to be spent on the game and its creators rather than on some shitty DRM scheme but if the game is already shit another couple of days isn't going to fix it.

>probably the same reason Neir: Automata had such a suck PC port and absolutely no patches whatsoever

total conjecture and not supported by evidence; nevermind that the reason NieR: Automata's PC port sucked is because the developer hates the PC as a platform

but I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to a faggot who is probably going to accuse me of meme spacing or some other arguing-from-bad-faith horseshit

Oh, and here are CODEX's notes about Injustice 2, taken from their release .nfo.

>>15361704

https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

<Last month we reported on Durante’s technical analysis of Denuvo DRM technology in Final Fantasy XV: Windows Edition. As you might recall, his conclusion was that Denuvo DRM increased loading times but didn’t actually impact performance in the game as many gamers had surmised.

so this looks more to me like tekken's developers don't know what the fuck they're doing and implemented denuvo improperly, since it isn't a problem for (some) other games; isn't that the logical conclusion?

>It seems like you get accused of being from reddit a lot. I wonder what the common denominator could be.

are you new to this board? everyone who, god forbid wants to format their posts for readability, gets accused of LE meme spacing xDDD by the swarm of edgy 14 year olds who found this place after GG

>>15361712

I actually addressed your points, so, this is more arguing in bad faith. you're really bad at this

>Denuvo says their DRM doesn't affect performance. CODEX says their cracked versions run better(Injustice 2). Who do you think I'll believe more readily?

why would you believe either one? test it for yourself you fucking mongoloid. do you also believe Nvidia when they say the RTX 2080 is 2x as fast as the GTX 1080? of course not, you'll read hardware reviews. why would you take either of these groups at their word?

>>15361802

<that failed link, captured for posterity so you can't delete it

I'm not trying to convince anyone of shit, I'm just taking a skeptical eye toward the "ha ha, it has denuvo, it's shit" viewpoint that some fags on this board have

I don't like DRM, as I said I'd much rather the money and time spent on denuvo was spent on the game; I wish the company would fall in a sinkhole and all of its employees would die screaming

I feel the same way about the people who created HDMI HDCP, perhaps even more strongly

but at the same time, to completely cast aside an otherwise good game simply because the developers were taken in by denuvo's propaganda seems… short-sighted? at best? and at worst simply ignorant

the most salient complaint I've seen against denuvo here and elsewhere is that "sometimes it can cause performance problems in games" and that's a fair complaint but again it doesn't really seem like the kind of thing people should get up in arms about the way they do about denuvo

and it's not just a general "DRM is bad" anger, because if that was true nobody would play anything on steam (which I know there are those fags here too, but certainly not a majority)

I'm just trying to understand if there's a reason behind the denuvo hate or if it's just groupthink as it in fact seems to be

>>15361663

>Vidya is the one media where the producers have the gall to blame the customers for an unprofitable venture.

They also want to have a say on how you play the game, with how many people, and for how long you can use it.

If there's anyone who feels "entitled" in the industry for sure it's not the customers but the game companies themselves who think their products are somehow "special" and customers shouldn't expect the same rights they have when they buy any other product.

Anyway if this is the choice we have, i'd rather let Soul Calibur die than turn into a nickle and diming scamfest.

I never thought i would say this, but now i am willing to give Tecmo and Team Ninja a second chance if they redeem themselves.

DEATH IT IS THEN

>>15361961

*sigh* I wanted to play Tira ….

Guess no buy for me then

>>15360607

>Bamco brings old franchise back from the dead at the fans' request even though it isn't bringing any sort of net plus to the company

>Company is upfront about this and tells the truth raw instead of killing it off before telling anyone why

>They'd rather shelf the franchise than fuck it up with modern trends/excess fanservice without substance that guarantee money at the expense of its identity

>Still the devs are allowed to make the newest game without any restrictions, and the fanservice is kept intact despite the political correctness bullshit of the current year

>Somehow they're in the wrong for this

Really what the fuck do you people want them to do? Other than remove denuvo of course. It's the perfect moment to ask them and strike a deal.

>>15361260

What about people who only buy used games?

>>15373638

they are pirates too Patrick, remember the copyright nigger will tell you what to do.Buy one copy for every computer you use anything else is like walking into a store picking up a copy and walking out the door

>>15361345

Bullshit of the highest order.

Reported for shamelessly shilling Kikongo infected games.

>>15361260

>>15361484

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>>15373602

If someone is upfront about fucking you, they're still fucking you. And they'll shelf the franchise regardless unless it makes a shit ton of money, fanservice has NOTHING to do with this.

The devs are allowed to make the new game with no restrictions because it's the last fucking game and the last time they restricted the development of a game they made nothing whatsoever.

You're really trying and failing to confuse the issue. They're not in the right for chopping up their game to sell above 60 bucks per person, it's already a huge lump sum for a game, and they bar content behind DLC to make an extra 30-50 per person on average. On top of that in other countries the money for the initial purchase is EVEN HIGHER, 90 for Australia for example.

The whole practice itself interferes with the quality of the games that they've done this in. Even if the bugs in the system are ironed out, companies that frequently use this practice make shitty games because they can no longer make a fluid amount of content and have to factor in design desicions that allow them to take out content should the publisher wish it, but it frequently works out having the game FINISHED, with last minute changes in DLC cuts fucking up the whole design when the scramble to cut it and still have a balanced game in the last hour screws with the game's design.

On top of that it's scummy. Legality doesn't matter in this situation because that can change if enough people see it as a shitty business practice and loads of laws got started by being fucking pissed. They are gouging people and that itself is not a good idea in the long run, because these people will get fucked in the future and won't be able to go to their old tactics, they're alienating customers, and on games outside of their big releases will NOT see profit after enough is enough.

There's a fucking reason why so many old franchises are coming back recently, because they need to ape old shit to survive since they can't make anything new without alienating their audience completely, because they are just that fucking bad at making video games because of this shit. Marketers will say that because SC6 sold, their tactics work, in order to keep their jobs.

But the plain truth is that these companies are fucking dying.

You're sucking dick and you have no concept of the most important aspect of business, how you treat the customer. It's a fucking law of god in business for a fucking reason. There is no such thing as a quick death in business, only a slow death that's too late to stop.

Good bye, SC.

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