fdf97a No.15352700
>Blizzard fucked up big time
>Low level characters are able to kill high level characters
>Every level you gain, your character actually becomes weaker.
>For twenty levels you don't gain a single bit of power.
>When you hit 120 you are very weak and can only pull one mob at a time
>Getting gear actually makes the mobs stronger, you have to eventually hit a breakpoint where you can start pulling things
>World quests don't matter until you already have gear
>There's a 280-305 item level gap that can only be filled with dungeons. If you don't want to do that, you can directly buy the gear to get you to 305 where gear starts ramping up. Just buy a WoW token for 20$ and skip this grueling process goyim.
>Healers can't do world quests because mobs scale off items in inventory, so they have to farm a separate DPS set to kill mobs.
>Made weapons extremely rare, people are running 20+ dungeons and not finding a single weapon
>Horde gets one free 340 weapon, almost BIS. Alliance get fucked.
>Questing is mostly item grinding quests with low droprate, takes fucking forever if your RNG is bad.
>Multiple specs are unfinished.
>Azerite traits don't change the way you play.
>You can't PUG Mythic+ unless you immediately got top-tier gear.
>They can't take low-geared people because you can't trade item upgrades, which means you have to take the most highly geared so they can toss everyone else gear that they need.
>Dungeon queues are broke, queueing specific dungeons is a far shorter queue than doing randoms.
Post your face when you didn't buy this abortion.
9abcc9 No.15352704
>>>/v/15352700
>>Blizzard fucked up big time
>>Low level chara—
Nobody cares about WoW, children. Fuck off.
d7f29f No.15352779
Blizzard has been fucking up WoW for over a decade at least
12a2a9 No.15352843
>>15352700
>Horde gets one free 340 weapon, almost BIS. Alliance get fucked.
was this to apologize for all the crocodile tears they shed for being portrayed as bad guys?
cf4dd8 No.15352852
>>15352704
>>15352779
"Stop talking bad about games no one plays!" -/v/
"Lawbreakers is bad!" -also /v/
If we could have Lawbreakers threads, we get to have this thread. That said, not surprised in anyway but holy fuck if anyone stays subbed after this then they clearly can't understand the language of the game they're playing.
b68586 No.15352858
>>15352700
Blizzard is long dead and by blizzard I mean one of the companies they bought a long time ago that already had a nearly finished game ready they couldnt fuck up. Who cares about what some SJW fucks do with a dying cashcow
b64cf9 No.15352864
>>15352852
Lawbreakers was funny and shortlived. WoW has been fucked for so long its just stale news whenever they do anything worse. May as well check 'em in the meantime.
cd0b57 No.15352877
half of those stretch the truth or are outright wrong
36f9f7 No.15352983
>>15352700
Yea, I have been giving it an honest unbiased attempt, but no matter what perspective I take on, I can't get back into this game. I find myself playing 1994 doom over it.
36f9f7 No.15352992
>>15352983
With that being said, I'd love to play a good mmo, but I haven't been keeping up with anything since (((they))) make all good things bad.
6ec6f5 No.15353057
WoW's big mistake is that it's not about WAR, it should have been a game mostly focused around being a grunt in your respective faction's army fighting battles and stuff
da6ea7 No.15353066
My brother stopped playing midway through Cataclysm. Yet for some reason beyond my comprehension he RE-SUBSCRIBED a few months ago.
I can understand to an extent the people who are still playing, not wanting to give it up after so long. But to have stopped years ago, seen what happened to the game since, and then decide to pick it back up is just bizarre to me.
36f9f7 No.15353113
>>15353057
The funny part is that in vanilla WoW, that feature emerged from the player base all on its own and they ruined it with battlegrounds, honor, and "balance". There were soooo many ways to skin a cat in Vanilla WoW, but the grand majority of the player base was stuck playing their classes in one way only. Wow made it where there was only one way and took out any emergent gamepaly, even punishing it at times.
36f9f7 No.15353117
>>15353066
I did the same thing, and I haven't been enjoying myself. I was being hopeful again.
2aaf10 No.15353124
> people actually play WoW in current year plus THREE
Ahahahahahaha
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PFFFAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
12a2a9 No.15353399
>>15352877
i want to stretch draenei buttholes
b1bc4c No.15353408
fc745b No.15353421
I dont know how blizzard fucks up this consistently
0b08df No.15353437
>>15352700
>Blizzard fucked up big time
Yeah
>Low level characters are able to kill high level characters
Were, fixed that
>Every level you gain, your character actually becomes weaker.
Fixed that in cases where it was character strength, most people were losing the bonus of their raid gear from Legion.
>For twenty levels you don't gain a single bit of power.
???
>When you hit 120 you are very weak and can only pull one mob at a time
Maybe if you're shit
>Getting gear actually makes the mobs stronger, you have to eventually hit a breakpoint where you can start pulling things
Open world scaling existed since 7.2, you do outscale the monsters. Instanced shit like raids, dungeons and island expeditions are unscaled.
>World quests don't matter until you already have gear
World quests consistently grant item level increases whether geared or not.
>There's a 280-305 item level gap that can only be filled with dungeons. If you don't want to do that, you can directly buy the gear to get you to 305 where gear starts ramping up. Just buy a WoW token for 20$ and skip this grueling process goyim.
World quests or crafted gear, if you can't break 305 within like half an hour of world quests or making like two items you need to register as a ward of the state
>Healers can't do world quests because mobs scale off items in inventory, so they have to farm a separate DPS set to kill mobs.
valid criticism
>Made weapons extremely rare, people are running 20+ dungeons and not finding a single weapon
Weapons are the same as they were before, no more rare than any other piece
>Horde gets one free 340 weapon, almost BIS. Alliance get fucked.
Random emissary quests and world quests gave random shit
>Questing is mostly item grinding quests with low droprate, takes fucking forever if your RNG is bad.
The game has built-in bad luck protection so your fetch quests for bear asses cannot take longer than a certain amount. I haven't done a single quest where I thought "goddamn this is taking forever to get these drops"
>Multiple specs are unfinished.
Valid criticism
>Azerite traits don't change the way you play.
Then you're not utilizing the traits to their full extent. High damage traits that change rotation exist alongside low damage passives.
>You can't PUG Mythic+ unless you immediately got top-tier gear.
That's the people playing, not the game itself. You can get into M0s right now easily with heroic gear.
>They can't take low-geared people because you can't trade item upgrades, which means you have to take the most highly geared so they can toss everyone else gear that they need.
you CAN take noobs/alts but why would you instead of a guild member or friend
>Dungeon queues are broke, queueing specific dungeons is a far shorter queue than doing randoms.
Specific queues only put you ahead if you have a dungeon quest for the specific quest
Jesus man I agree shit is fucked but these are all retarded reasons. Bitch about the GCD changes, lack of haste or prominent and game breaking bugs like the entire missing cinematic alliance side or something, not shit that's already been fixed or comes from the players, not the devs.
757643 No.15353458
None of the changes make any sense. GCD change makes no sense. Who are they pandering too with that change? I think the biggest slap in the face is no new 120 talent or spells. But WoW players will defend this because… I guess they're just really fucking addicted and they've dumped so much time and money into it.
Sad.
0b08df No.15353473
>>15353458
>But WoW players will defend this because…
nah it's bullshit
>who are they pandering too with that change?
the lowest common denominator, picture related. How is he supposed to play well if he has to press buttons fast, anon?
757643 No.15353547
>>15353473
But didn't the majority of the blizz forum players want to get rid of the GCD change? So again, if they're pandering to literal retards who need a GCD in WoW (who probably don't even pvp) they are pandering to a minority. It dosen't make any sense. The only theory I have is they will try and turn WoW into a tablet/mobile game. I know it sounds kind of retarded, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me since they are dumbing down the game to the point where people are leaving in droves.
4ec63e No.15353603
One of the biggest problems with discussing WoW, especially here, is that peoples' hate boner for Blizzard and WoW overrides any actual facts about the game. WC4fags are salty, BC and Wrathfags are salty, Vanillafags are salty and skeptical of the upcoming release of Classic, and everyone is quick to jump down their throats over Diablo 3, Hearthstone, Overwatch, et. al. Blizzard isn't free of sin by any means, but you're kidding yourself if you think a thread split 50/50 between ">WoW >Current Year" and ">WoW >Any Year" is worth the bandwidth. In a world where Blizzard astroturfers spam lies on the internet to hype up new expansions, lying on the internet to downplay the game isn't doing anyone any favors.
All that wouldn't be a problem if (retail) WoW had any real competition. Good thing we live in a world where Square Enix is equally full of retard devs chomping at the bit to ruin FFXIV, Classic is vaporware, free-to-play WoW clones are less productive skinner boxes than the game the original, and where I took a nice watery shit earlier today that had better scripting than your average private server.
>>15353066
I've been fighting the urge to do the same thing because I must have fucking brain damage or something. My only saving grace at the moment is that I'm too poor to pay the fifty dollar price of admission, so I've just been watching dumbfucks play on Twitch and Youtube. I'd feel sorrier, but when you're getting to be this disappointed for free, it's hard to complain. Legion and its artifact traits sounded like fun, Ashbringer memes aside, but it's too late for that, and Blizzard already nuked one of the only redeeming ideas they introduced into the game from low orbit.
At this point, even though I know WoW is a huge waste of time and money, I still have the urge. Everything else sucks too, so what the fuck am I supposed play to quell it? It's very frustrating, and fortunately, MMOs are such titanic fucking monsters to develop that saying "fuck this I'll make my own" would be a huge AGDG joke even if I was a god at developing video games.
Also nice double.
>>15352700
Apparently the big damage squish is to blame for a lot of this. This is the second time they've done it, and they have every intention on doing it in the future. I don't blame them for wanting to reign in DPS numbers in the millions, but the numbers scaling out of control is a problem, and rather than come up with a solution to the problem, they're content to slap a damage squish band-aid on it every three expansions. Also, Blizzard thinks this game is sustainable to last at least three more expansions.
Also nice double.
>>15353437
You're a faggot but also a saint, God bless.
757643 No.15353627
>>15353603
I have the urge too. I then play a private server (i have like 4 versions of WoW on my computer for some reason still) and Then I realize how dogshit the game really is, or just how bored I am of it. The problem with paying for something like vanilla is that you feel obligated to play it, since you've now paid for it. Fuck that shit, and fuck Blizzard, never giving them a penny again after playing Legion.
757643 No.15353631
>>15353437
You seemed to completely glaze over no new 120 talent/spells and continue pruning of abilities. Why is that? Sage because this thread is garbage
b9348f No.15353638
My favorite thing to do is kill brown nigs in Warcrap. Killing brown nigs in Warcrap is the most fun you could possibly have with an app.
12a2a9 No.15353644
>>15353603
>One of the biggest problems with discussing WoW, especially here, is that peoples' hate boner for Blizzard and WoW overrides any actual facts about the game.
what ive noticed for many games is haters are slow to simmer down and its easy to get them going again, but fans often move on or run out of avenues of discussion.
03c9cf No.15353648
>last WoW thread was sliding off the catalogue
Thank goodness for your well-timed thread!
000000 No.15353701
>>15352700
Blizzard was never good.
WoW was always shit.
4ec63e No.15353706
>>15353627
I've been dicking around with some of the Single Player Project servers. Vanilla's won't compile on GNU/Linux, but its Windows repack works, and I threw it on a shitbox and got it working (kind of). The problem is that its AI is janky as a motherfucker: I wanted to play a healer in the hopes that I'd be smarter than the AI, but the only tank AI that works is Druid, Prot Warriors just sit around jerking themselves off for whatever the fuck reason; so I switched to Warrior hoping the AI for healing would be good enough to heal, and it is, but it runs into packs of enemies, detects it's being attacked, and then continues running away into more enemies. Not to mention I get shit for latency because I'm not connecting to localhost. On the other hand, Legion's server compiles, so I don't need a repack, but the only 7.3.5 client I could find refuses to play nice with the data extraction tools, and refuses to launch, throwing an error. I could use someone else's server, I guess, but then I wouldn't have access to the admin's console. Call it what you will, being able to fix shitty private server scripting on-the-fly is a blessing.
So it's either suffering with terrible experiences, suffering with possibly less terrible experiences I cannot fix myself, or finding another game to play. None of these options are particularly appealing.
>The problem with paying for something like vanilla is that you feel obligated to play it
It's true, every time I pay to play an MMO, I feel obligated to put in at least X-many hours into it associated to the $X cost per month, and end up getting sucked into it for well over 160 hours every month, only for the charge to go through and do it all over again. I played Tera briefly with people from /v/, fool that I am, naively thinking that a free-to-play game would let me take it easy. Instead of feeling obligated to get my money's worth, I ended up working a second job to make enough money to pay for next month's subscription thing off the auction house. At least I got to see the inside of a raid, and go raiding with a bunch of people that both knew what they were doing, and also were laid back about it.
>>15353644
That image of the fat blizzard fan eating shit and asking for seconds isn't hyperbole. Blizzard loves taking fat shits on their games because they know their fans will eat it right up. It's why Blizzard game clones – earlier WoW clones, and more recently Overwatch clones – have a track record of crashing and burning in hilarious ways. The flip side is that there's people who actually liked their old games but weren't cocksuckers and (rightfully) feel scathed, but their hatred is of equal fervor to the fans' love. The natural consequence is the vitriolic shitposting you see in every thread about any Blizzard game ever.
The joke is that if Warcraft 4 came out tomorrow and it was everything everyone expected, you'd still see all this fucking shitposting because everyone loves hating Blizzard too much. The punchline is that WC4 is equivalent to HL3 and the FF7 remake. Blizzard makes way too much money, it's not going to blow its load any time soon.
f82a61 No.15353716
>>15353603
I got bored of the game. There's a valid reason to not like the game, and I don't give a shit if WoW and Blizzard has lies spread about it now. Because it reeeeeeally fucking earned that. It should have died off a long time ago.
I had fun back in the day. But even my father, a die-fucking-hard-on fan of WoW doesn't go on anymore. This motherfucker has damn near all the achievements when they added them, near all of the pets save a few, done quests to get mounts no one has and let me onto a family account so I could make use of his extensive digital collection as the Warlock to his Hunter. I had fun times with ol pop. But even if he isn't disgusted with how the game has gone, he sure hasn't found the time to go back to it.
The main problem with the game is that it's boring to people even like my dad, a fucking overachiever at everything he does. Even he doesn't like it. I capped at 90 back during pandaria and back then it was boring. I got to 90 for dad with him next to me in game near the whole way.
And then when he stopped I left too.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the game and I did it for him, but as an observer who only played for his father, even I got pissed at the changes they made midway. There was this one skill on my undead warlock that I specifically specced in a way that allowed me to have AOE massive health drain and it looked fucking cool, so when I got bored i'd mess about through the towns being an asshole to the critters, chatting up the locals, which was fun. Then they took that little ounce of silly sadism away from me.
You see in raids when I got cornered I'd use it on a group of mobs to stall a little so the healer would catch up, the way I specced it it wasn't for damage but it was for survival, since I ran a non-optimal demonic transformation build where my undead would transform into a demon and sacrifice my demon for more power for solo DPS, it did less damage then an immolation build but had more survivability, which was crucial in my eyes since I picked the Warlock for the cool factor and wanted to make the demon form shit work.
But they patched my fucking tools to make them less fucking cool and effective. The life drain had like this whole web of effects that'd go off on the dozens of enemies were present, so despite doing less damage to enemies then you'd want, if you had a few together the life drain would sustain you and recover a fair bit of health. But they patched it so you could only drain a single thing at a time. no crazy web of cool ass green energy beams, no.
That was just the one I missed the most. I had carefully specced my warlock out just the way I wanted, I was less about power and more about entertaining flashy effects, but loads of my weird builds actually worked well and turned me into an AOE shithead because of this, and it was great. But then they changed Warlocks, narrowed their skills and made them into "one at a time" fighters. For no fucking reason.
My demonic fireworks retard, which I specced for fun and games and retard fun, it was ruined. I had him just fucking right. And then talents got fucked.
So I got bored. I liked being a flashy demon retard. I liked little green beams of critter death and impractical demon pet sacrifice-for-buffs pseudo-tanking. But everything got fucking narrowed because people were playing outside of expectations, being fun.
People were pissed at the time, just like me. So I ground to 90 after leaving Outland, got to the end game pandarian isle of forever grinding for the 90's players, played through the dungeons because I could, and just fucking quit because there was nothing left to do.
And I never came back. I just wanted to be the demon retard who spun stories of cruelty and mischief, culling critters wherever they lay. And now, it's just
boring.
757643 No.15353721
>>15353716
Do you really expect anyone to read this fucking blogpost? Jesus christ
49c05e No.15353722
>Blizzard fucked up
what a surprise
757643 No.15353727
>>15353706
>people turning WoW into singleplayer. Jesus… just go to a rehab center or something
That pretty much defeats the entire purpose of the game
f82a61 No.15353736
>>15353721
Tl;dr flashy demon retard got debuffed
used to act as a half-tank in a fight using a certain build that took advantage of buffs and the demon transformation to buff defence at the cost of DPS and managed to save rando parties multiple times from a wipe, carried my weight, warlocks got fucked and their flashy effects are now boring, played til 90 during pandaria, got bored, left.
The buff was a talent that allowed you to sacrifice your demon for benefits unique to that demon. Sacrifice an imp, get DPS, Sacrifice a succubus, get crowd control stuff, but if you sacrificed a voidwalker, your tank, you could tank like your voidwalker without managing your pet's health because his stats are fused to your character to a certain extent and you now have some of his tanking ability skills, which you could augment with health drain spec stuff, but you couldn't tank as well as an actual tank class.
This got fucked for no reason and Warlocks got FUCKED into a single role which is DPS, despite having multiple skills and a crazy gimmick demon transformation path that made them versatile mages that could switch roles on the fly but can't heal at all, but not do as well as other classes in them.
tl;dr tl;dr WoW became trash and none of you should play it, because it's just a skinnerbox.
fd2f4b No.15353760
>yet another wow thread
thanks OP we were totally out of those
4ec63e No.15353774
>>15353727
What do you want me to do instead? Private servers invariably end up being a sandbox for the admin and his friends to fuck around with, with the worst of it being shit like Light's Hope being a massive chinkazoid gold farming circlejerk. I don't have enough friends to do it myself. There's scripts that scale down the enemies in raids and dungeons depending on the number of people present, making it easier to juggle a bunch of retard bots, and making it feasible to do it on your own if you want. The answer would be to play a game that doesn't suck ass and also supports a reasonable population. Too bad that game doesn't exist. I mean, games like FFXII and the .hack quadrilogy come close, but not close enough.
>just go to a rehab center or something
Don't be so melodramatic.
>>15353721
>Do you really expect anyone to discuss video games in a video game thread? Jesus christ
>>15353716
>>15353736
What I hear about Legion makes it sound like they brought some of that back in the form of Artifact Traits. I can't say for sure since I didn't play myself, but I heard some of the traits managed to alter the way classes played similar to the talents gave you abilities that tweaked your spec. Could've just been a cherrypicked example, though.
I hope you found a new game to play with your dad and bond over.
0b08df No.15353796
>>15353631
Because I missed the line or didn't copy that. Valid criticism I'd say.
>>15353547
Eh, a lot of the newer stuff I've done is movement heavy or mechanic heavy. WoW now isn't what classic was, you can't stand still and do your rotation. Is it dumbed down, yes, but I feel like it's dumbing down into an action platformer or something not dumbing down as an RPG. The RPG elements are largely going the way of the dodo but raids, dungeons and stuff are getting far more complicated. For instance in one of the new dungeons, tol dagor you fight a guy on the roof top who's surrounded by cannons and as soon as the fight starts everyone gets a debuff that causes them to take ticking poison damage for moving. The guy will shoot people and knock them back and he's got cones of attack you have to avoid so you need to make hard decisions about how much your healer can cope with either moving or taking the attack. The cannons on the sides spin in and fire in a cone and throughout the fight everything you do revolves around making sure the healer can keep up with the constantly flowing damage. It's not WoW as it once was, it's a totally different game now. I struggle to say whether what it's become is better or worse but I'll be goddamned if it isn't one of my favorite skinner boxes.
757643 No.15354293
>>15353796
> but I feel like it's dumbing down into an action platformer
Pretty much. Basically raids and dungeons are Quick time events and everything else looks like filler garbage. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard said they added the GCD thing and slowed down gameplay so they would cut the gap between high skilled vs low skilled players in pvp. Talk about cutting your game off at the knees. I'm not going to tell you to stop from playing. Only if you continue to give money to Acitvision/Blizzard you are part of the problem. Only reason why games like WoW continue to exist is because they lack competition.
0b08df No.15354419
>>15354293
>Basically raids and dungeons are Quick time events
That seems like a bit of a stretch, I get what you're saying but if raiding was literally QTEs the game would have died a hell of a long time ago. Positioning, situational awareness, ability to complete your rotation with shit going on and micromanagement of everyone in the raid is a far cry from QTEs. The gameplay isn't as twitch as fzero was, but I'm getting old. My reflexes aren't what they were and they won't come back. The game already has a graying population, fresh new young faces aren't picking up WoW. It's an old man game now. Old men and retarded autists, or both at the same time.
The second bit though, yeah, I know. I play with my wife and 'friends', it's something to do that means I don't have to listen to them talking about niggerballsports or what dumb fucking talmudvision show they're watching. They come out of it feeling like we had a social interaction and I don't want to kill myself nearly as much afterward. Have to pick your battles, I guess. That's how I justify it, anyway.
7b751e No.15354423
>>15353603
WoW is total shit. It looks nothing like it did in the past. If Blizz knew any better and cared for its fanbase, they would have made a new MMO. Instead they choose to revamp the entire game and isolate the playerbase that enjoyed what the game set out to become from vanilla. That is the error of WoW as an MMO, trying to become something it wasn't destined to become. Those who cry about WotLK need to also understand that the game world matched vanilla much better and ever since further expansions passed, more content has been cut, and much more has it erred from its original content. The way WoW looks today is no longer the same; it is a different game from the original WoW that people loved.
Play vanilla. You'll find that the in-game prices reflected the actual prices and buying stuff from a merchant meant actually taking out money of your own. Professions were actually helpful for gameplay. Everything happened on Azeroth and people explored the world rather than fuck off on irrelevant contents. There was a sense of expedition in a world where all players dwelt. Now players could be fucking around through different expansions and different tiers. World PVP sucks. It's a mess.
237dfb No.15354597
>>15353716
>tfw Warlock was your favorite class
Makes me glad I stopped when I did, which was shortly before (or after) Wrath of the Linch King.
083661 No.15354626
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I paid 15 bucks for a subscription just to try the nuWoW, since you get all expansions with just a sub, and they killed this game. Half of WoW used to be about getting to level 60, it was hard and time consuming, but every time you leveled up it was rewarding, every time you got a quest reward it was meaningful, every time you went into a dungeon and got a piece of loot it made your day. Now leveling is so fast that it becomes boring, questing is streamlined in every way, quest rewards become vendor trash after a certain point early on, you go into dungeons to get XP and not new equipment that will help you on your journey. Gold? I got hundreds of gold pieces just from vendoring trash and quest rewards, it paid for my epic mount, which is now really cheap, and it didn't feel that satisfying to finally be riding fast. It's totally fucked beyond any possible repair, it is no wonder they are developing "Classic".
I still enjoyed some of the new stuff, the Darkmoon Faire is really cool now, the new combat animations and sounds make combat more entertaining (if only it wasn't piss easy), I am playing a rogue and it has some new abilities that make it really fun to play, although they did gut lockpicking and pickpocketing (they're not worth spending time on at all, when before it was a source of wealth), zones were visually improved, Booty Bay has a kickass new theme.
Oh I almost forgot, Blizzard added level scaling, to zones, dungeons, quest rewards and mobs. It's awful.
18a197 No.15354632
>>15354597
>You'll never have a 24 second uninterruptible fear duration again while scrubs die to your limp dick damage.
c3b862 No.15354634
>(1) and done OP
The OP is retarded, so I won't be giving the faggot his (you). But a rebuttal so that people don't spread rage by repeating falsehoods:
>110s killing 120s was a scaling issue that has been patched
>it was further out of whack thanks to legendaries still working until 115
>getting weaker as you level and the required stats for the same percentage rating go up has always been a thing, exacerbated by replacing the previous expansion's endgame gear (it's a smoother curve if moving from Legion greens)
>the mobs don't do more damage, they just get a bit more health that's hardly noticeable in the long term
>running heal spec in open world content, are you retarded
>the majority of item drop quests have had either 100% droprate or high droprate with bad luck protection for years now
>the 340 weapon was from a single emissary quest and would only drop that high if you were already well-geared; it stands to reason that gear rewards will show up again (I will concede the rewards should be the same between factions)
>pugs having obnoxiously high ilvl requirements, stop the fucking presses
You're half-right about world quests being worthless unless you're already geared. Even when you're just starting out at endgame, gear from world quests will almost assuredly be an upgrade over leveling greens, especially if they warforge (although the chances for that are noticeably lower). But the thresholds at which the gear drops at higher ilvls really do need to be looked at, because when you should be getting upgrades around 295-310, you're not.
The only things you were spot-on about were unfinished specs and azerite traits being a complete letdown. My main spec turned into utter garbage and I don't see it getting fixed anytime soon. It's not unplayable, but it's bad. And azerite armor is just a fucking snoozefest. You can just take the highest ilvl piece you've got and pick traits at random and you probably won't be any worse off than if you autistically simmed everything. This shit was supposed to replace tier sets, artifact weapons, and legendary armor, all in one go? Give me a fucking break.
Anyway, saging because nobody wants to read all this shit.
f4ce85 No.15354635
Oh look, weekly WoW thread
0fed87 No.15354636
>>15352700
I have no idea what to do once I dinged lv 120. the quests were fucking annoying and a grind, the story is terrible even when there barely is a story. This expansion is going to be worse than Draenor. I already quit playing.
e1216e No.15354671
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Does anyone here even remember the days of Prologue WoW?
083661 No.15354699
>>15354671
Was it the server that did away with the two main factions and separated them into smaller factions players could join?
d8ad1a No.15354720
>>15353603
This, There is nothing wrong with criticizing Blizzard but those threads are filled with retards like OP who complain about mostly non-existant shit and faggots who won't even check their info like with the whole Arthas debacle where People were bitching about Arthas being back, yet he only appeared as a memory, a retrospect. Anons come into those threads with a hate boner and instead constructivelly discussing Blizzard flaws, they shit on the Company while knowing really jack shit about it, not knowing about things that there truly is stuff to complain about.
279372 No.15354722
>>15352852
Tell me when WoW gives us a waifu like this, then we'll talk
e1216e No.15354733
>>15354699
It was a roleplay server with permanent death and no "Out of Character", OOC chat was restricted to things such as party, raid and guild chat. Your character was always considered "In-Character" while logged in and GMs were dungeon masters making the world feel alive by making NPCs talk and move or spawning objects if you did something.
Back in the day we ran a guild of Dark Irons called 'Slaves of Armok', building our own fortress, taking slaves and generally kicking ass.
fb8c37 No.15354749
>>15352700
> you are very weak and can only pull one mob at a time
>implying this is a bad thing.
you're supposed to group up with friends and then go adventuring, Its a MMORPG after all.
b25320 No.15354756
>>15354749
You're also basically the (((chosen one))) and have been since WoD. Should be able to fight more than 2 rats at once.
ec567c No.15354767
>>15352700
basically everything you said there was objectively false
git gud, shitter.
b0d7e8 No.15354776
>>15354722
>the boonest of she
Spoiler that shit.
5c8c94 No.15354782
>>15354722
At least post the original key art (the one with the right hand that had 10 fingers). I don't have it
fb8c37 No.15354793
>>15354756
all the more reason why WoD is shit, it was the worst fucking idea to let any retard be the (((Chosen one))). if they really wanted to have garrisons they should have been guild garrisons.
0decc4 No.15354840
>>15354733
That's fucking awesome! I wish something like that was around now!
f19b41 No.15354846
Stupid question, didn't WoW already literally have the apocalypse as an update?
How is it still around?
18a197 No.15354878
>>15354671
It's really a shame that the primary reason they don't make areas like that to begin with is so they don't confuse retarded players. So we're stuck with shitty camp sites with 3-4 npcs per site instead of actual towns.
a31513 No.15354887
>played Ragnarok sickly for years
>totally overwhelmed by WoW gaming unendingly
>Ragnarok died and WoW turned into shit
I complain, complain a lot, but I fucking need some MMO to fill the life-spending void and there is none good enough around.
HELP ME, THE CRAVING IS GETTING BIGGER
b68586 No.15354894
>>15354887
I just play warframe, at least that game doesnt require a subscription or money at all actually
e1216e No.15354901
>>15354840
The closest thing today is the Unknown Shores server. It's the same always in-character, permadeath, no epics allowed (and hardly any rares) server except instead of WoW's PvP being standard, it has its own RPG system implemented into the server code.
Oh and the setting is rather unique with custom made islands. You are stuck in this archipelago with its own very brief history. Their forums explain everything well, it's based off the Legion client.
WoW roleplay sates the urge very well, in fact it's almost more addictive than the base game.
9ca14d No.15354919
>>15354887
>I need endless grinding with a bunch of retards that make my experience barely tolerable
Just play literally any f2p multiplayer game.
>>15354894
May as well say that your time isn't valuable and that you enjoy crafting trash for weeks only to finally use it and get small dopamine hits like a TRUE EUROPEAN GAMER because you've been making a gayframe that doesn't really change anything
78dfdc No.15355026
>>15352700
>be rpfag
>never cared about the gameplay, muh autisms and close circle of friends kept me going
>legion was shit, but because it went full ayylmao on the tech level and tone we got to make some shadowrun meme tier shit and become glow int he dark CIA niggers
>straight up make an event ripping off the plane scene in dark knight rises
>quit playing for a while halfway through and by the end of the expansion for irl shit
>come back to see the shit about burning down teldrassil then nuking undercity
>whine about the tactical blunder
>the drones come out and tell me to go read shit and watch youtube videos that rationalise it
>mfw the decline within the game itself furthers and i just go back to SS13 and shadowrun pnp
Sure miss the ol days of the batman villain themed cult of warlocks though.
d539fd No.15355045
>>15353437
>no alliance cinematic
>horde get free BIS weapon, alliance get fuck all
It's kinda funny how blatant they're being about liking horde more than alliance.
>>15353547
>tfw ghostcrawler was actually better than all these fags.
896058 No.15355047
>>15353399
Why did they completely retcon the appearance of the Draenei to look like those blue people from Avatar? I wish I had a picture of a real Draenei but all I have is this old map.
>>15353437
I'll admit WoW is a guilty pleasure. Mainly because I loved the good Warcraft games as a kid. But if you actually bought BFA, you are a retard and no wall of text will defend you from that simple fact.
>>15353706
Buy game time instead of yearly subscriptions.
b68586 No.15355051
>>15354919
Time spend having fun is not time wasted and I think you got something very wrong if the game has you staring at the 12h or 24h timer.
d539fd No.15355054
>>15355051
That's objectively wrong. There are times when you must deal with your responsibilities.
896058 No.15355063
>>15355054
Dealing with responsibilities is not fun.
b68586 No.15355067
>>15355054
>responsibilities
f210e0 No.15355114
>>15355045
The horde is better than the Alliance though. Ever since they added the deviantart tier furfags to the Alliance it has been unplayable without getting tilted every time I see one of those shitters.
ec567c No.15355116
>>15355047
apparently the draenei from tft were messed up from having to live on outland after draenor exploded. i guess the reason they made other, prettier draenei is because they wanted to make them playable. and i guess because they wanted to make them look more like archimonde and kil'jaeden.
db33fc No.15355137
Translation: Ganker upset his victims can finally fight back and he now has to run like he does when someone his own level shows up.
896058 No.15355153
>>15355116
But Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden are Eredar: from a completely different planet than Draenor. Uncorrupted Draenei should look less like them, not more. Also, the TFT Draenei were bipedal humanoids. Why couldn't they be playable?
78e277 No.15355174
Azerite is the new artifact and will literally rendered useless next expansion, except this time there are no new weapon skins.
No new classes, new races are actual reskins.
World quests are literally just normal quests without an npc
The new pvp system goes largely unused and has turned pvp servers into pve servers. 10% exp, one ugly mount, and some talents you don't need for open world content is not a strong enough incentive.
The new pvp system's talents do not sync up well with the pve content to begin with, go into a dungeon and all your skills become useless.
The game have been pruned to fuck and back, gameplay resembles a moba
896058 No.15355210
>>15354626
Classic will hopefully make dungeons and looting worthwhile again. I was also disappointed in how easy the single player quests around the world have become. But in defense of the mount thing, you do get a flying mount at 60 that completely changes the way you travel around the world.
d580ce No.15355213
>>15355114
>the horde is better than the alliance tho
They haven’t been better since Hellscream.
574fa5 No.15355217
>>15352843
no, eu go like a lucky draw on a daily quest reward or something.
OP is just a bitch who is upset that he bought the wow expansion
896058 No.15355222
>>15355213
That's a funny way to spell "Doomhammer."
e4d51b No.15355226
>>15355153
>kil'jaeden, and archimonde are from a different planet than draenor
No they are not.
e203fb No.15355229
I get disliking games but its clear most shitposters here haven't played it. I'm not going to play blizzard defense force by replying to specific points because I don't like the game either.
But have some fucking class you stupid niggers, at least do your research better if you're going to pretend you've played this game.
>>15355213
Horde get a better hub, better expansion intro questline, generally better questlines as well, and the zones are more interesting. Allies are cucked having to follow Jaina around as she uselessly bitches about muh whored have no honor meanwhile she is an actual kinslayer (who everyone forgives her for anyways)
574fa5 No.15355248
>>15355229
horde city is a garbage maze with death cliffs everywhere. alliance city is fucking liverpool.
896058 No.15355266
>>15355226
What do you mean "no they're not." It's written right in the Warcraft 3 manual.
574fa5 No.15355273
>>15355266
lol that shit got retconned in 2007. theyre from argus originally.
896058 No.15355280
>>15355273
That's retarded if true. And here I was thinking Sylvanas' whole "the forsaken are a people now" was the most retarded retcon.
e4d51b No.15355298
>>15355273
>>15355280
It would seem draenor was never part of the lore in the first place. They could have just had archimonde, and kil'jaedan being guys who tricked the draenor into becoming demons to. That was kil'jaeden's job.
896058 No.15355316
>>15355298
What you just posted is taken directly from WC3's manual, which mention draenor in earlier chapters about the orcs and humans and undead. It's a key part of the lore and was also in WC2. Eredar is a separate planet from Draenor. Throughout WC3 they refer to Draenor as a "backwater." The Dreadlords are also from their own planet, as are the Pitlords and terrorfiends. What isn't mentioned in the snippet you pasted is the defeat of Sargeras by Aegwyn and the meeting between Gul-dan and Kil Jaeden.
bc91bf No.15355319
>>15355229
>being this wrong
I sincerely prefer everything alliance got. Besides, I literally haven't seen Jaina since you arrive at the zone (I'm already level 120) so I don't know how that's a valid complaint. Flynn Fairweather had a fun questline.
896058 No.15355339
More screenshots from Warcraft 2 manual.
083661 No.15355347
>>15355298
Draenor was the planet that became Outland, how was it not part of the lore?
055b65 No.15355364
>>15354887
try an NWN1 server
its like a mini-MMO
896058 No.15355372
Long before Kil'Jaeden contacted Gul'Dan on Draenor, Sargeras and Archimonde contacted Azshara and corrupted the highborne of the night eleves in a similar way. The original intent of Kil'Jaeden's pact with Guld'dan was simply to gain dominion over draenor, the orcs weren't intended to become a force to invade Azeroth until Medivh, a human, opened the portal and invited them over.
f3749c No.15355374
>Every level you gain you lose itemization percentage
This has been a thing since the beginning of the game in vanilla you fucking triple RETARD
>For twenty levels you don't gain power
You only level 10 levels. You're retarded. Also nobody cares about anything below level 110
>when you hit 120 you are very weak!
like every expansion ever
>Getting gear actually makes the mobs stronger
False. There's level scaling, not ilvl scaling.
>World quests don't matter until you already have gear
World quests gear rewards actually do scale up as your average ilvl goes up up to 340. You do World quests for rep, resources and gear until 340, then it is replaced by mythics and raid gear, like it did in legion. World quest gear item goes up every season to still be a catch up or starter gear choice.
>There's a 280-305 item level gap that can only be filled with dungeons. If you don't want to do that, you can directly buy the gear to get you to 305 where gear starts ramping up. Just buy a WoW token for 20$ and skip this grueling process goyim.
That's just not true. You get 290 at questing at 120, World quests drops start at 300, and normal dungeons, incredibly easy as fuck dungeons, drop 310. You're fucking stupid and also a terrible player if you can't do normal dungeons. I did my first mythic dungeon at ilvl 300
>Healer's can't do world quests
This is fucking false. Disc priests hit incredibly hard and you should have a dps spec anyway unless you're a filthy fucking casual. You don't need a separate DPS spec because gear primary stats change if you respec. Holy fuck you're just spouting straight up mis-info and making yourself look like a retard
>Horde gets one free 340 weapon
king's rest is available for alliance as well.
>Made weapons rare
False. Many weapons drop off dugeons. If you weren't fucking retarded you could take a look at the dungeon journal and check for yourself.
>Questing is mostly item grinding quests
This is blatantly false. every quest area is 5 quests in a small area, quick to level, and none of them is item grinding. There is only one "farm this item quest" in the entirety of kul tiras questing, and the drop chance was like 20%
>Multiple specs are unfinished
The only thing that you stated, which is incredibly broad and vague and technically you could state it's true since they're still tuning
>Azerite traits don't change the way you play
They don't change the rotation, but they do add fun chance on hits or spice up an ability. The damage incrementals go up with your primary stat so eventually they will change rotations
>You can't pug mythic+
False.
>They can't take low geared people
Yes you can, but most people rather not carry shitters
>Dungeon queues are broke
I don't solo queue because I'm not a shitter, much less solo queue dps since tanks or heals are faster. Do you have a single source that back that up? I wouldn't be surprised early launch has things like that, blizzard is retarded
However you are even more retarded for spreading mis-info. Blizzard is shit and WoW is shit but you're a faggot for relying on straight up lying just to try and fit in
413854 No.15355377
>>15355374
>This has been a thing since the beginning of the game in vanilla you fucking triple RETARD
I'm not gonna read the rest of your trash but vanilla did have sidegrades for a lot of specs. This is flat out fucking wrong.
f3749c No.15355397
>>15353458
There's no need to bloat the classes, but at the same time there's no need to prune them from quality of life skills or utility or pvp skills. I'm not mad at no new things, I'm more mad at the GCD change dumbing down and slowing the game. Although in this case, they SHOULD be adding more skills.
Holy fuck just revert the game back to MoP gameplay wise and the skinner's box would actually be a good skinner's box. shit genre but a good blue pill for those who want to sink themselves on an MMO
f3749c No.15355409
>>15355377
You're not very bright if you're going to read things out of context.
When you level in WoW, ever since Vanilla, your item rating required to reach the same percentage of secondary stats increases in value in order to reach the same percent. The value inflates, in other words. This is why twinks existed in Vanilla. they get higher ilvl gear and at low level they gain lots of itemization, which in result gives them more percentage of crit, haste, etc.
896058 No.15355412
>>15355374
>I don't solo queue because I'm not a shitter
How do you get into dungeon groups then? Download discord and collaborate daily on your guild's server? If you're devoting that sort of time and effort into a time-waster skinner-box, maybe you are the shitter.
f3749c No.15355422
>>15355412
Do you have autism?
I play with my friend/s or I queue with my list of competent people from my guild or 99 parse average only community to get things done.
It's ok to solo queue, but never as a DPS, because the queues are not worth it and pugs are retarded. If you're gonna solo queue, do it as a tank or healer.
7d3239 No.15355430
Aside from raughing at the shitty excuse for a plot, why would anyone follow WoW?
It took 2 expansions just to get the combat and raids working, and since then literally every decision has been focused on making the game worse.
How many raids, each of which took months of development time, are completely untouched by players today aside from an occasional solo-sightseeing trip?
f3749c No.15355434
>>15355430
Game stopped being good after MoP
It's when the pruning started getting out of hand, and the casualization went full retard. Ghostcrawler was slowly trimming the bush. Celestalon just flat out wiped the slate and turned the game into casual trash
413854 No.15355436
>>15355409
That's not even what I'm talking about at all dumbfuck. And I didn't take you out of context. There were lower ilvl sidegrades for plenty of builds. For most of vanilla; item level didn't mean as much as it did in late BC and further on.
f3749c No.15355455
>>15355436
Holy fuck you truly are a low IQ imbecile
Stop being a pedantic little shit and trying to find a cherrypicked item for specs like fire mage which had crit being more important than intellect. In general, the game has ALWAYS had itemization requiring more of such when the player levels. The point is that it is nothing new in the general sense. Stop cherrypicking, retard.
If anything, in vanilla having a lower ilvl item being a sidegrade and not an upgrade doesn't even stand as a counter-argument, just a testament that the game had broken itemization where secondary stats had more value than primary stats
896058 No.15355457
>>15355422
In order to queue with your guild members or irl freinds, you have to collaborate and log on at the same time. I just play for about 45 minutes before bed and I only jump in dungeons when I have a quest to complete in them. PVE is retardedly easy, even with shit equipment, so why am I going through that trouble? Just last night I went all the way through Shattered Halls in a shitty solo queued group with a tank who just sat AFK at the entrance the whole time. So what the fuck do you need competent teammates for in such a dumbed-down simple turd of an RPG?
If I'm playing a game with irl friends, it's something that isn't completely stupid and devoid of challenge and reward, like Dominions or Age of Empires.
5684dd No.15355458
>>15355430
The nail in the coffin for WoW was the decision to raise the level cap on expansions. Imagine if all raids and other endgame content ever developed had remained current, with set bonuses from different raids being meaningfully different and offering actual different ways to build classes. That would also take care of the number bloat issues.
f3749c No.15355463
>"anyone wanna queue for Siege of Boralus?"
>"sure, I'll join"
>this guy has good parses and performs well IIRC
>queue, perform well, get out
Stop the fucking presses. so fucking hard to queue up in this game that has made it substantially accessible to gather with other players.
f3749c No.15355470
>>15355457
No shit, those are leveling dungeons.
896058 No.15355473
>>15355470
And it took me over a month to get to that point, so how many hours do I invest before it becomes challenging and how can we guarantee I won't be completely bored by that point? When I played back in 2006, instances were actually hard, including the low-level ones.
b68586 No.15355477
>>15355457
>Shattered Halls
Every previous expansions dungeons get easy as fuck to go through due to the rebalancing and other changes. Unless they rereleased shattered halls because lol blizzard recycling as usual
896058 No.15355493
>>15355477
I hope you're not defending the game with that logic. Because i am aware of that point and it's my main reason why WoW isn't worth any serious investment other than getting baked before bed and cooking savory deviate delight until I fall asleep. WoW is currently like my glass of warm milk.
Pic related: my cool balloon and me.
b68586 No.15355502
>>15355493
Nah not defending the game but I do remember if I had to go through previous dungeons while levelling something how easy it all became. Most of my fond memories came from actually knowing half the server and doing current expansion content like for example shattered halls heroic which was (relatively) too hard for the rewards it gave. Something you wouldnt be able to achieve in a pub
b68586 No.15355503
>Keep forgetting to turn off sage
I miss the email field
8a3f57 No.15355506
Every expansion has gotten worse in turns of game mechanis and all of the writing has devolved to the level of a teenage fan fiction. The fact people still eat this shit up concerns me.
ce6f0f No.15355523
>>15355506
People still hope that Brazzard will unfuck the game and make it into the old WoW that they missed. Most who bought and subbed did it out of dried-up hope.
f3749c No.15355524
>>15355493
that's a nice way of seeing the game. but seriously. just go quest and get to 110 because the game until then is just a chore. unless of course, you take your sweet time with it as you explore the content you missed when it was relevant
d140a7 No.15355527
Playing the AH is enjoyable to me. Impresses me still how many players are willing to let their stuff go for half the price if it means they get to sell it right away.
f3749c No.15355540
>>15355527
some people don't want to play the AH
underage kids dont know prices
most people undercut market value by 1 copper
db33fc No.15355609
>There are anons playing BfA right now that are not a cute goblin girl
001bde No.15355684
>>15355054
Where do you think we are?
f82a61 No.15355773
>>15353774
We don't play games much anymore, but we've already bonded enough to not need to.
Also he's over MMO's and while I did get into WoW a little bit by playing with him, there's no magic in the genre anymore. I don't think it's a growing up thing either, something changed across the board that made it disgusting to play. I honestly don't get why people still play this game.
3c0523 No.15355784
>Megaliazzard fucks up again
Say it ain't so.
f3749c No.15355830
>>15355784
I don't get this megalia meme
e4d51b No.15355837
>>15355830
It's a meme? I thought he was just putting random words together.
057ce9 No.15355954
Thank you OP. Can't wait to make money off this blunder.
e91cb6 No.15355957
>>15355830
Blizzard endorsed Megalians at some point, some bullshit regarding female korean players or streamers, I don't remember.
The same old "muh wimmin in gaymin, stop muhsuggyknees" SJW shit.
057ce9 No.15355983
>>15355954
Opps, wrong picture. This is the latest.
083661 No.15355995
>>15355436
item level didn't even exist in vanilla
3c0523 No.15356130
>>15355957
>The same old "muh wimmin in gaymin, stop muhsuggyknees" SJW shit.
Hardly just the "same old" when it's a horde of murderous shotaraping turbofreebleeders.
6ec6f5 No.15356435
>>15354887
Just play on a private server for a bit to satisfy the itch
i’ll personally recommend /v/scape
c7d314 No.15356448
>>15354756
You can, op just a faggot. He tries to kill thing with healer spec without aoe and damage. Basically each of the problems he listed dont exist. But plenty of real problems exist. He probably created thread so people will tell him how shitty he is and how good wow is.
>>15355463
Funny story, blizzard require you to have 305ilvl to do random HC and doing it with randoms gives you +15% hp/dmg/heal, but we did mythics with less than 305 ilvl. If you think that randoms are good, its because you overgeared by a lot.
>>15355995
GS. But items often had something cool about them instead of simply +10% survivability and +5% damage. More stats meant more variety. Sure, you dont need stupid "+% damage and survivability" stats or "its exactly like crit" stats, but cool situational stats are gone. All you need to prepare now is "this I will use if I need aoe and this I will use if I dont need aoe", if you bother to change anything at all for any any encounter.
Sure, items have perks right now, it is quite cool compared to old skilltrees, but in the end you can always pick the best option. Its like voting in communist county, you can vote whoever you want, but there is only one candidate. So new system is minuscule better.
>>15356130
To be honest wow probably has biggest female population, most of them even married. That said this whole expansion is about strong wymen. Also a lot of we wuz and fat people.
>I am fucking old god!
>fuck you old god, I am strong wymen I dont need no man!
Speaking of SJW, they removed part of the quest where you gas the alliance.
>>15356435
8chan server is better. because its dead
ca7bb2 No.15356502
>>15353301
I don't know why the anons who made this meme didn't just leave it as "BLACKED".
5684dd No.15356634
While WoW is certainly unplayable shit and Blizzard is a tainted company, I find the moral outrage posts in this thread hilarious considering the fact that we have multiple constant generals for mobile gatchashit, warframe, and apparently fucking mobas now.
896058 No.15356672
>>15356634
I just want to see this turn into a Warcraft 2 thread.
0116c3 No.15356902
>>1535511
Horde more then likely going to be getting the vulpera as a allied race though.
So now furfags can freely infest on both sides.
89ef9b No.15356954
I'm curious, was there ever any MMO with purely player skill mechanics, no levels or gear? Would this even be remotely possible and/or keep a big enough playerbase to survive?
995003 No.15357022
>>15355983
>>15355954
what am I looking at here?
437289 No.15357128
>>15352700
You can thank Tigole for this one. He's always been a plague on MMO's.
4bfa88 No.15357135
>>15356954
Like a shooter with rpg mechanics but without rpg mechanics? Or chess online? Or test for reaction time online?
4bfa88 No.15357180
>>15357106
>Shareholders demanded global cooldown change because they rate game based on time played and not on profit
Can you explain me details?
>slowed down both gameplay and levelling
>leveling used to take months of grinding mobs
>now you can get to max in a day
>took 5 hours to grind to lvl 120 from 110
>slowed down
Explain me, how fast you want leveling to be?
89ef9b No.15357349
>>15357135
An MMO without grinding basically, that's all I want. I really never liked the whole concept of "you're stronger than the other guy because you've spent more time farming mobs or doing fetch quests", but I really enjoy the exploration aspects that most MMOs have and the randomness of player encounters in the game world, both pvp and pve.
29c102 No.15357561
>>15357180
Leveling is slower than it was pre-8.0, but still much faster than in vanilla, or even TBC and Wrath. People have gotten so used to being able to basically global basically everything their level that actually taking more than a few seconds to down a mob is a foreign concept. There were people complaining that WoW was becoming P2W as a result of this, completely ignoring that WoW tokens have filled that void for a good while now. I honestly think the current rate is reasonable.
1018cb No.15357608
>>15356130
>not all feminists
All feminists deserve to hang.
7cf024 No.15357661
e0b77c No.15357735
>>15355995
Items in wow have always had an item level attribute, though it was hidden and required an addon to display it in the tooltip until at least Wrath. Its always been the way stats, procs, on use, etc. have been allocated and budgeted, especially with raid gear. Its especially why, when at the beginning of BC, there was such a massive jump in stats on random greens over Naxx40 gear, if memory serves (and a lot of forum salt about it, too).
fdf97a No.15357756
YOU CANNOT REFUND BFA. IF YOU ATTEMPT TO MAKE A CLAIM ON PAYPAL, THEY'LL AUTO-REJECT YOU AND RULE IN BLIZZARDS FAVOR.
8cb0a5 No.15357863
>>15357809
Blizzard says you played it so that means you can't return it. - Paypal.
896058 No.15357875
>>15357809
>>15357863
>tfw you didn't buy BFA
fdf97a No.15357899
>>15357863
paypal didn't get a chance to make a ruling, check the date. It was denied the instant it was put in.
3a8cc9 No.15358261
>>15357756
>buying a game through paypal
wat
f3749c No.15358332
>>15357809
your account was upgraded so legally it is considered as "it achieved it's function". Furthermore "said function cannot be reverted" so they have 2 legal reasons not to refund you
1a2c02 No.15358824
>>15353716
>Overachiever
>Grinds wow to the point of death
I sincerely doubt that.
0b8155 No.15359991
>>15352700
Sources for convincing normalfags?
3bac9a No.15360579
>>15355339
Wonder why the bonechewers didnt get a mention from metzin in WOD. Oh right, they probably got retconned for not fulfilling his half baked 'Magic Dindu' bullshit.
God I am glad that faggot left.
49c05e No.15360594
>>15359835
>skip over watch play … instead
a lot of those games are a mess too, I admitedly really like R6S but is has it's own brand of cuckery with diversity hire tier characters being added every second season. CSGO is garb with steam prison economy, PUBG and fortnite are luck based garbage, DOTA and LoL are MoBas for retards only, GTAV online is for autismos or youtube bait. Can't speak for spltatoon but I'm sure nintendo will fuck it up
ed8508 No.15360680
>>15354733
I remember that one, it was fun but the GMs and the rest of the server hated us purely from being from 4chan (it was before 2014) and that we weren't being serious enough or something.
c7d314 No.15361175
>>15359835
>>15360594
A lot of "play instead" owned by same chinese jews.
6976bc No.15361239
>>15355957
So Blizzard funded the Megalian take over of South Korea? This was big news outside of the US, who woulda though a cult could take over a whole country.
6976bc No.15361245
>>15356672
I remember when I first tried out WoW I was upset I couldn't be apart of the proper horde, black rock clan etc and was forced to be one of Thrall's hippies. I also found it strange that the Night Elves allied with humans and Forsaken weren't a force of their own.
>>15356954
Guild Wars 1
d539fd No.15361265
>>15353721
The emperor isn't listening anymore, faggot.
afa80a No.15361344
>>15361265
Get purged you piece of shit heretic. He is always at our side.
05a61b No.15361347
>>15361265
>only posting part of the comic
The twist is that its the machine spirit in the bolter which is talking.
4f75b4 No.15361425
>>15352700
>Blizzard fucked up
In other news grass is green and water is wet.
c77eb8 No.15361459
>>15355409
>When you level in WoW, ever since Vanilla, your item rating required to reach the same percentage of secondary stats increases in value in order to reach the same percent.
Vanilla didn't have ratings you faggot, it had straight percentages for secondary stats. You're fucking clueless.
69f88f No.15361463
>>15353066
>>15353113
>>15353603
Residual operant conditioning combined with previous time and emotional investment.
69f88f No.15361475
>>15359835
>Skip Overwatch play … instead
>Fortnite
>PUBG
>Dota 2
>League of Legends
..
Did you get this image straight from Reddit?
896058 No.15361655
>>15361245
I was thinking the same thing. Would have been more in the interests of the Night Elves to ally with the horde, especially after the retcon that made the orcs all lovey nature fags. They'd both have the common goal of protecting the land from human incursion.
Blackrock was wiped out twice. At the end of Warcraft 2 they were destroyed and Doomhammer was taken prisoner. In the beginning of Warcraft 3, Doomhammer is no longer a prisoner to Terenas, but they don't explain how. They just mention he was living as a hermit in the north somewhere so he could teach things to Thrall. Then Blackrock is brought back again, without any leader. So they can be destroyed by Arthas. Then they're back again in WoW.
The orcs were just better in Warcraft 2. Everything was. There was actual political structure to the Alliance that made sense and the orcs were a real brutal warrior culture that would mutilate themselves in rites of passage. They were always led by shamans, but their shamans were dark shamans that expoited the energies of the twisting nether. The thing with Guldan "abolshing" shamanism was pure retcon. They just changed the definition of shaman from "dark astral magician" to "totem planting hippie."
896058 No.15361710
>>15360579
What's WOD? The Bonechewers are in WoW if you didn't know.
0ca5c3 No.15362971
>>15361655
>the orcs were a real brutal warrior culture that would mutilate themselves in rites of passage.
Imagine playing WoW where if you pick Orc you get to choose your clan. If you choose Shattered Hand you get to replace one hand with a weapon resulting in a different "racial ability" or choosing Warsong Clan gives you a "racial battle shout". WoW was made for the lowest common denominator.
896058 No.15363113
>>15362971
I always thought an RPG that took place after the opening of the portal, but before the first war, would have been cool. There was a period of about 40 years when orcs were building settlements in the south eastern swamps and occasionally raiding cities of Azeroth. Would be cool to explore the human kingdoms and also go through the portal and explore the original orc clans.
0ca5c3 No.15363220
>>15363113
That would have been cool. That's also the thing that irritates me though. Warcraft had such potential to be a great franchise and they took a few wrong steps with WoW (could have been recovered before BC) but then they just kept fucking it up. Metzen should have stayed as an artist and someone, anyone else should have been writing it.
6a59af No.15363265
>>15361655
Blackrock was never brought back. What was left were tiny factions all fighting each other and the humans. The few orcs that remained from the internment camps got all wiped by the scourge, if we're going by the RTS lore.
896058 No.15363268
>>15363220
Though I loved Warcraft 3, that was where the lore began to get stupid. It was all set-up for WoW to begin with, leaving a good deal of loose ends that took years and years to resolve, all the while as the writing became more and more retarded. I didn't even care about Arthas anymore by the time they killed off his fat ass.
896058 No.15363280
>>15363265
>The few orcs that remained from the internment camps got all wiped by the scourge
That's what I said when I mentioned that Arthas destroyed them. But they are living in Blackrock Spire again in WoW.
0ca5c3 No.15363299
>>15363268
I remember being at my local pizza place with my family, reading those manuals. I don't remember them word for word of course.. but damn those were the days. You're also correct, Warcraft III is where it started to get stupid, but I still think it could have been saved before BC. Blood Elves should have never been on the Horde.
6a59af No.15363381
>>15363280
Blizzard always struggled with letting characters and plots die. It's one of their worst lore raping habits, not letting history go. It's this fear that you have a limited pool of ideas and you need to maximize their usefulness otherwise your work will die off quickly. So instead of taking a story in a more natural and believable way, like the first 2 (and the 3rd one to an extend) they constantly bring back old plot lines and characters so you can double kill them, this time for good, we swear.
That whole blackcock spire dungeon made no sense. Even if the blackrock orcs survived the edgemaster assault, they never would have banded together in a sort of orcish enclave waiting to get extra killed'd.
dddaa2 No.15363465
Can we not just get a game with WoW's original gameplay but combined with the scope of something like Star Wars Galaxies or Mabinogi, and ALSO not run by greedy fucks? Is it so hard? I'm struggling to think of an MMO that isn't shit except MAYBE FFXIV, which I only hear about as I ain't played it I'd only play Triple Triad anyway
7e3211 No.15363543
>>15363268
Clearly the superior strategy franchise has proven to by Myth. Because it had the good grace to die.
e5e41c No.15363561
>>15363465
FF14 is a Modern WoW clone with writing that isn't pants on head retarded and class design that doesn't prune half your kit every expansion yet on both accounts.
Though odds are if it continues development under the circumstances it's in now, it'll die out in a few years. They've been pulling a lot of the staff off it to work on the FF7 remake. It's astonishing just how much money and time gets sunk into mainline Final Fantasy games these days.
c9a1ef No.15363649
>>15362971
> If you choose Shattered Hand you get to replace one hand with a weapon
Ritual mutilation was their thing, yeah, but the only orc in the clan who did that was Kargath. This whole "everyone cut off their hand lol" shit was from WoD, which shit on the orc clans and chiefs even more than wow did.
>>15363561
>They've been pulling a lot of the staff off it to work on the FF7 remake.
This has been proven bullshit now thanks to Yoshida running his mouth in a recent interview. The XIV staff is around 500 people, same as WoW. There's zero reason for XIV to be as stagnant and shitty as it is now outside of complacency.
896058 No.15363669
>>15363649
But the Warcraft 2 manual describes how all members of the shattered hand clan will either smash or completely remove their left hand. And I still have no idea what the fuck WoD is.
e5e41c No.15363758
0ecd61 No.15364125
>>15359835
>some retard is still reposting this image
01e751 No.15364137
>>15364125
Always gets a few replies so faggots will keep using it
68bcbc No.15364635
>>15354887
Just play Call of Duty you fucking faggot.
738dc6 No.15364733
>>15352704
I don't play WoW but I like hearing about how Blizzard fucks it up every time. They have the most popular MMO in the entire world, and each expansion spikes the playercount up only for it to fall to the lowest it's ever been right after. It's honestly fascinating.
896058 No.15364761
>>15364733
That's only more incentive for them to keep increasing lower and lower quality expansions more and more often.
12a2a9 No.15366714
>>15356672
i replayed warcraft 2 last year but it was tough getting used to the interface again. i havent gone back through dark portal yet.
a92c00 No.15367069
>>15363381
I kinda liked the idea that remnants of Blackrock were used as servants by Nefarian but wow simply inflated their numbers so much that burning steppes are swarming with them making their numbers look as great as Thralls hippie horde in Durotar
179ba1 No.15367115
>>15353774
The dot hack games are not MMOs though, they're MMO simulators. But you're right there absolutely isn't any modern MMO worth playing much less paying
c10997 No.15367133
>Jaina lets her father die
>plotline brought back as if she has regrets and finally understands
>plotline turns into sob story about her emo phase
>mommy hugs her
>deus ex machina moment where a lost fleet somehow returns along with her now retconned into lore brother
>somehow the fleet saves everything, despite being adrift for decades
>jaina is now a hero all of a sudden
It's like Blizzard imitates a proper mindset, but it is just bait and goes back to teen themes the moment it has the chance.
293804 No.15367229
level scaling sort of made sense since some people just don't want to do the same zones they've been questing in for literal years
item scaling is retarded though, that's the whole point of playing the game
896058 No.15368194
>>15366714
Interface isn't much different from Warcraft 3. Are you playing in DosBox? Did you slow down cycles to fix the map scrolling issue?
beec73 No.15368221
I`m looking at maple story 2 now. It`s free anyway so no loss trying and it seems to have more of the original mmo spirit. Shitload of minigames and extras like designing your own skins for clothes. Never going to "raid" there anyway but the fluff could be more entertaining on itself compared to grinding crap just to play what you actually want to play in wow.
8fdb9e No.15368394
>>15352700
>>Low level characters are able to kill high level characters
Used to be like this in vanilla up to right before TBC, you could actually kill 60s at level 20. It's how I got a hunter up to Scout rank without going into battlegrounds.
f3749c No.15368412
>>15361459
>cherrypicks the one trinket with no stats and on equip chance from upper black rock spire
f3749c No.15368423
b731cb No.15368463
>>15352992
I recently rediscovered Ragnarok and it's as comfy as I remember it used to be. Of course I probably can't do end game stuff (unless I want to be jewed by grorious nihon, oy vey-san), but it's not like I'm pouring more than 10 hours a week or so in the game.
c57764 No.15368465
>>15352704
>not enjoying schadenfreude
Are you fucking gay?
beec73 No.15368469
>>15368463
You can just go to a private high rate server and be done in a week with all content.
c57764 No.15368518
>>15358332
>Using paypal as payment
>ever
I'd rather use the fucking mail.
083661 No.15368556
>>15357735
The item level meant nothing, it was not used for anything. Item enchantments were random but always tied to the actual item you grabbed, maybe that's the only place item level was used. There was no such thing as level scaling and static items were more common while leveling. Nowadays everything is scaled and it sucks, it's like the AH is fucking pointless for gear, before max level at least.
b731cb No.15368666
>>15368469
RO private servers are pure autismo, friendo.
0f2b2a No.15368686
>>15361245
>Guild Wars 1
My brother.
099dd3 No.15368762
>>15353774
>Don't be so melodramatic
The thing is, everyone here jokes about being addicted to video games, but what the fuck do you want us perfectly normal and well-adjusted non-MMO gaming autists to tell you when your autism looks insane even to us?
>This game fucking blows and gets worse with every expansion
<So stop playing it
>No, I will cling in vain to the idea that this company will care about me again even though my demographic was overshadowed a decade ago
<Okay, enjoy hating yourself
I used to think that there was something "big" I was missing with MMOs. That thing is, for most people, social interaction or a specific kind of interaction. But the communities for these games have changed forever because devs have changed the game to appeal to new people. A good game attracts a certain group of people who establish customs for playing because they do so regularly. If you follow the model of immigration, the best way to grow the community while preserving good behavior is to grow it slowly, but that runs directly counter to wanting profits. So you're always going to deal with a community going to shit. The best thing to hope for is that a dev team changes a game very slowly, but their changes are driven by marketing executives and so on… It's a constant struggle, but for WoW that struggle ended a long time ago.
099dd3 No.15368793
>>15356954
Depends on what you consider "player skill." I have played games like Carrion Fields where none of the gear is randomly generated. It's always in the same place and it's a race to see who can get it first. Really special items only allowed one player to have one and it would only be in their inventory for a limited amount of time before respawning.
With that in mind, the game is technically all skill based, if you consider intricate map knowledge a skill. However the combat was still RNG based, so there was some unpredictability even if players had the same gear.
There's also quite a few games like this out there that use a global reset model; everyone's characters are wiped and the world is reset after a "season." This is especially popular in PvP games where controlling territory becomes the priority.
dcd62e No.15368803
>yfw you aren't a subhuman MMO addict
beec73 No.15368804
>>15368762
Many people are just stuck because of said social interaction. The games demographic may change overall but they continue to exist among their original online-friends in a bubble. They might even consider going together to different games and some do but most can`t agree on a new game and so they remain stuck in the game growing increasingly further from what they enjoy. Secondary there is sunk cost fallacy and boiling frog principle at play.
dcd62e No.15368820
>>15356634
If you weren't an IP hopping schizophrenic you'd be able to realize that people tend to complain about both but you just love you boogieman and projection.
d9bfd9 No.15369019
>>15368412
He's right though, there wasn't a rating or ilevel system in vanilla. pre-raid BIS and BIS gave flat % bonuses ontop of stats (if they gave any + to stats)
>>15356448
To be fair, considering how constantly /v/ screeches a /v/ run server would never work because the retardation would prevent the server pop from growing, even if it was high quality. anything /v/ run would need to be normalfag friendly on the surface and when dealing with complaints, something by and large /v/ is wholly incapable of doing in any capacity
e4d51b No.15369052
>>15355397
>item rating
>vanilla wow
>just revert the game back to MoP gameplay wise
Fellate a shotgun.
e4d51b No.15369058
>>15369052
>>15355409
I replied to the wrong post.
c60b7a No.15369196
>>15368194
You just had to remind me of the good old days when that screenshot was considered cutting edge. The good old days when jews largely didn't even know about vidya.
896058 No.15369256
>>15369196
There's something about this cartoony aesthetic. When I was 9 or so, I'd play with the map editor in this game for hours.
0614c3 No.15369311
>>15364761
Yes, and? It's not my money that's getting wasted on their retardation.
896058 No.15369328
>>15369311
Just pointing it out, I guess.
f3749c No.15369470
>>15369052
Cata and MoP was the peak for PvP with fast paced, high mobility, and most composition synergy for arenas.
cfebae No.15369651
>>15363543
I guess you could say myth was a
casualty
b75f5b No.15370876
>>15355689
I'm just glad the devs are drowning on their shit after flawbakers flopped.
4146ea No.15370924
WoW has been garbage since BC
The writing has always been shit, the gameplay and balance fucked, only for it to get worse each year.
Its a shit game, the gameplay isn't fun at all and if you think getting better gear to boost your numbers is fun then nobody can help you.
The only good thing about it was socializing with people back in vanilla days where you had no other choice but to.
Now the only good thing about WoW is the porn.
fdf97a No.15371240
>noname55 does blacked porn now
Fuck.
009ab8 No.15371566
>>15370924
faces look horrible. hands and feet too big.
713a5e No.15371569
>>15371566
>the world of warcraft art style is disproportional and disgusting
wow
b9348f No.15371635
>>15371566
Thanks for your feedback!
7b958c No.15371658
>>15357608
That was 2016, what's going on now?
14bcb0 No.15372253
You guys should talk about Black Lagoon instead of WoW.
b1b3b8 No.15372684
>>15352700
Im fighting 12+ mobs at a time on my blood DK. Its fucking great.
991c54 No.15374434
afc840 No.15374468
Every few years I'll hop into WoW and it's always worse. I think the last time I looked at it was during the Panda thing and the talent trees were gone.
dcd62e No.15374473
>>15374468
I guess just be glad you didn't pay money to see one of the major updates being nothing but a selfie feature.
181ac9 No.15374523
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>15354846
A better question is how the fuck did survive this?
Skip to 1:50
896058 No.15374525
Today I took Tyr Bay, land-locking Quel-Thalas so the humans can no longer benefit from their elven supply line. What have you done in the Battle for Azeroth?
ce5a22 No.15374533
>>15374523
Why was Sargeras just chilling in a cloud? How long had he been there?
181ac9 No.15374534
>>15355045
That's always been the case. Metzen being the Horde-aboo he is seeps into a lot of this game's design. Even small shit like Northshire having a wall that can be jumped over because of a convenietly placed hill next to it back before flying was in Azeroth has been around since 2004.
896058 No.15374901
>>15374533
Sargeras is dead. He was entombed and everything.
e4d51b No.15374915
>>15374525
>what have you done in the battle for azeroth
I spawned an infernal in the hall leading to the undercity, then let it rampage.
2d9308 No.15374952
I've got an itch to play this shit again after browsing through my old screenshot folder despite being of the opinion that everything after WotLK was trash (controversial, I know. I still think BC was better)
Convince me not to give (((kiketivision))) my money.
896058 No.15374968
>>15374952
>Convince me not to give (((kiketivision))) my money.
You want to play Warcraft 2 instead.
2d9308 No.15374981
>>15374968
I got into RTS games with AoE I, II and WC3 and completely missed the previous Warcraft titles.
How do you recon that it has aged for someone looking at it with a pair of fresh eyes? It looks a bit primitive to me even when compared to the first AoE, judging by your screens.
896058 No.15375075
>>15374981
>primitive
What? You mean the graphics look old? It doesn't play all that differently from Warcraft 3. I'm playing both simultaneously.
I would argue that Warcraft 2 is a better RTS than Warcraft 3, even though I haven't played it as much. There is the whole aspect of actually incorporating naval combat along with the fact that you really need to combine the different special abilities of your units to get the upper hand over the enemy. For example you need to accompany a fleet with flyers if you want to be able to spot submarines. It's far less generous with the resources available on campaign maps, making it actually necessary to use the spy units and survey the whole map before coming up with a strategy. I feel like Warcraft 3 was all about running around with a hero as a big army trails behind him, and used way more gimmicky campaign scenarios to keep thing challenging. Warcraft 2 is more about making the most of finite resources and finding the value in each individual unit you recruit.
2d9308 No.15375103
>>15375075
>You mean the graphics look old?
I was mostly referring to the gameplay, those sprites look quite pleasant to look at and sprites generally speaking age better than early 3D models. The combat looks rather small scale and the UI makes me think that the mechanics are a bit more barebones than WC3.
>Warcraft 3 was all about running around with a hero as a big army trails behind him
I kind of enjoyed that aspect, I had a lot of fun making my custom heroes and units with the world editor to then play around with.
But I'm interested, I've heard nothing but good things about it in the past. Just never got to it.
896058 No.15375115
>>15375103
It looks barebones because it's low-budget. But if you get into it, you'll notice it's pretty deep with the same variety of buildings, upgrades and units as WC3. Less units have spells, but the spells make a bigger impact.
12a2a9 No.15375447
>>15368194
i played bnet edition.
81f91a No.15377700
>>15374473
not just a selfie feature my friend
but a selfie feature you had to luck out and get as a mission in your garrison before you could actually unlock it, and then more shit you had to do to get it as a toy and permanent item