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Just stop, OP. Every game you posted is shit lighting and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please stop embarrassing yourself

>>15290697

>OP saging his own thread

it's over. also, none of those games are DOOM 3 or F.E.A.R.

>>15290763

>Doom 3

>F.E.A.R

I wonder how today's vidya would look like if nuDevs approached visuals with the same mindsets of the 1997-2005 era.

These days one seemingly has a wide selection of oversimplified cel shaded mobiletrash, walking simulators with stolen assets and no baked in lighting, filtered pixelshit and then eyecancer like embed related that makes the worst Skyrim ENBs look like NFS4 in terms of visual clarity.

>>15290697

zelda

>>15290654

I agree with OP. With restricted engine capabilities developers had to make do with what they had, using everything at their disposal to make things look the best they could possibly be regardless of restrictions. So they would focus for a long time on simple things such as the exact positioning and colour of a light, the precise ambient colour of the scene, things like this.

Now, with such an abundance of processing power, the focus has shifted from being artistically pleasing to technically pleasing. Instead of being the nicest looking, it's gone to the most realistic looking.

I don't think OP is trying to say these inferior engines look objectively better, but only they are more aesthetically pleasing, regardless of how powerful the engines are.

But all of this is a matter of opinion, so I guess in that regard me and OP simply share that opinion.

>>15290763

sage isn't a downvote you fucking goon

lurk for 2 more years

>>15290865

>I wonder how today's vidya would look like if nuDevs approached visuals with the same mindsets of the 1997-2005 era.

Elaborate please.

>eyecancer like embed related that makes the worst Skyrim ENBs look like NFS4 in terms of visual clarity.

What's the problem? It looks fine too me.

>>15292114

*lighting in games with heavily stylized art styles

>>15292137

>chromatic abberation

>blue on blue/white on white UI contrast with flickering for maximum fidelity

>fine

Ironically CIG removed half the postprocessing faggotry in 3.2 making the game look 10x more playable as a result.

>>15291547

What happened to mirrors anyhow?

Every 6th gen console had no issue rendering mirrors/reflections but these days even something simple like the "mirror" in M64 is seemingly a rarity.

>>15293091

>with flickering

I didn't see flickering, it was more of a liquidy repositioning as you moved like if it was written on water.

>>15290865

The real problem is at 3:35 where the writing is unreadable because of the light planet. The white lettering is okay because the main background color is black, but there is a need of a shadow around each word like you see in subtitles.

>>15290630

uncanny valley tbh, we'll always know it's not real so making it look photorealistic will never actually work because of all the tiny details that we don't even consciously notics

lighting is the perfect girl to be honest. literally flawless

Doom 64

>>15293091

>Every 6th gen console had no issue rendering mirrors/reflections but these days even something simple like the "mirror" in M64 is seemingly a rarity.

they didn't, and also the demise of forward rendering being replaced with defered rendering

>>15293091

>What happened to mirrors anyhow?

BSPs fell out of fashion and doing HL2-tier ’hurr let’s just render to a texture, I’m sure no-one will walk up close’ reflections rightfully died when people realised the feature didn’t justify re-rendering most of the scene for every surface. Now it’s mostly cubemaps for doing subtle reflections. I wish buffer shadows would die along with them and shadow volumes would return.

>>15298605

Deferred rendering is mostly about having thousands of lights and excessive post-processing effects. Like post-process AA, as if that’s a good idea. Actually, temporal anti-aliasing is a genuine quality improvement, but fuck anything spatial besides MSAA. Either you actually multi-sample or you don’t and pretend you can extrapolate. You can’t, by the way. That’s why games that try look like shit.

>>15299735

reminds me of gt3, now that was truly good tier, it still holds up even to this day, how the fuck did they do it back then?

Too bad most anon's don't care about this topic.

>>15290630

That's not good lighting at all. Are you talking about color schemes?

>>15299735

>>15301211

thats all transparent textures and pre-baked light maps.

>>15303998

It's a specialized topic. Most won't notice lighting unless it's really good or really bad to the point of hampering gameplay. It's a lot easier to discuss a combat system, boss strategies, and stat management than it is to discuss lighting. Even then discussion about lighting tend to be dominated by the technical aspects of it as shown by this thread rather than the artistic/aethetic components.

Real lighting is more like

>games from the early 2000s

>"God tier lighting"

The vast majority of 3D games at the time were too dark and muddy to see a goddamned thing.

>>15290630

>Not even mentioning Thief Deadly Shadows.

>>15307127

I play on a genuine CRT, cuck. Games from that age had shit lighting 90% of the time. Especially PS2 games.

>>15306516

?

bump

It's because you couldn't just plug in generic effects, and developers had to take time crafting these things.

I think it's because they had more control of it instead of everything being more sterile and dynamic.

>>15314999

It's actually the opposite, they were forced to rely on fixed function grafics pipelines instead of programmable shaders.

Probably explains the attention to detail when it comes to colors and scene composition in older games, they couldn't just slap some random bloom+HDR+DoF, motion blur etc. shaders on it and call it a day.

They also had to develop for a myriad of wildly differing GPUs and their respective proprietary APIs up until 2000.

I wish I know more about this stuff, the topic is interesting but I know literally nothing about how games are made, shaders, graphics, effects, textures, and programming in general.