/v/ - Video Games

>>15289292

because DRM is and always has been for the purpose of fighting second hand sales, only ostensibly with the justification of fighting piracy.

>>15289311

this isn't even a clickbait article, may it be that it is based on one of the many articels but take another look you retard, this is just a simple google search.

Piracy has been proven to boost sales in the music industry for decades now, unless we are talking the biggest games/brands/bands/stars out there that is.

>>15289292

>GameDev Tycoon Creator blown the fuck out

>Every video game "journalism" website that ran an article praising him for including the "piracy" feature in his game: blown the fuck out

>>15289338

Not really, game companies would never fund it since theyknow that piracy doesn't do much to their sales, so theysee no incentive to it.

onlypoliticans who know nothing about it would waste taxpayer money on it and be suprised by the result.

>>15289369

The European Commision actually tried to proof that it's effects the sales, the study actually did the oppostion.

>>15289380

>Not really, game companies would never fund it since theyknow

Of course they now, the only reason that comes to my mind why they would pretend otherwise is to get more data. Just look at what all those DRM tools actually do, or all those online shops and what not. On top of that, with a free demo (a pirated product) they are unable to sale the hype. Nobody would read progressive gaming journalism anymore because everyone is able to make his own mind up based on the free demo.

>>15289406

>But I thought

maybe you are wrong?

>>15289406

It's like /v/ isn't one person or something.

>>15289406

>this place

Maybe you should stop conflating the opinions of multiple individuals? If you actually seek a hivemind consensus, perhaps you should return to reddit

>>15289292

How does piracy not hurt sales? Do most people who pirate are just people who wouldn't have purchased the product anyways? How did they even figure that out?

>>15289338

>one study doesn’t really prove much unless it can be replicated

That's true, but it's the EU so I assume they'd have tried to spin the test and results in their favor somehow, and it still came out negative.

You mean we've been supporting NISA all this time?

>>15289437

Yet I see hoards of anons latch onto the same idea as long as it seems to support what they want. While the anons who where saying how piracy will crash the industry are nowhere to be found.

>>15289441

>Pointing out our hiveminded behavior means you want a hivemind

kek

>>15289460

It's almost like /v/ is not one person.

>>15289406

>You can't measure how piracy effects sales

It would be rather difficult but it's not impossible. You could control the release of your own game onto popular pirating websites and record your own sales numbers and see if the number of people who pirated correlated to the number of people who later bought your game. If you needed results quicker you could take a game that had a reputation for being pirated and compare it to one that didn't then adjust the sales of each accordingly. The reason it's so difficult is because generally popular games get pirated more therefore they sell more anyway, and unpopular games don't get pirated and just flop. If you really think about it most devs who use the "piracy killed our game" card aren't being realistic and are just using it as a scapegoat so they don't have to face the fact their game is shit.

TL;DR

The number of people who pirate games in comparison to the people who purchase them is so minuscule that the word of mouth you get from the pirates more than makes up for it.

>/v/'s opinion of piracy is schizophrenic

Only industry shills think piracy is cancerous to the industry.

>>15289460

I mean, if all normalfags started pirating it really would crash the industry.

>>15289292

Studies like this are almost always bullshit, but this one supports my opinions so it must be legit.

>>15289507

>Nier and Yakuza

>buying denutrash

>for any reason

kys my man

>>15289519

>being pc only person

>>15289529

>not just buying ps4 cheap

>and then boycott first party games

The study doesn't address whether or not the effect scales. Piracy doesn't hurt sales now, largely because so few actual potential customers engage in it. For most people, it's a hassle and they fear getting viruses and malware or tons of child porn or bestiality or some other shit. But you were to decriminalize piracy and allow stable and potentially reputable sites to just distribute software carte blanche without repercussion, then there would be no incentive for the normalfag to buy anything they could just google and download for free.

Only by limiting it's availability and making it harder to obtain software than most people are willing to dive into it can you push piracy to the margins where it doesn't have an effect on sales. Because those people who do engage in it at that point are either hardcore fans of the medium and already spend more than the average consumer in addition to pirating, or they never had any intention (or capability) of being a customer in the first place.

But thats in the EU anon what about America?

>>15289631

Your only flaw here is that you think normalfags are able to pirate. Sure, there will be a few tech-savy folks around, but absolute normalfags will "just buy from Steam"or "a PS4 is pretty cool" since even accessing files on a computer is hard for them.

>>15289500

yeah, strange, isn't it?

I guess it's more than one shill group which brings me back to my main question in my op

>stupide idiots running around, brainwashed by all those publisher's and corporation's dead meme's, yellling

>MUH PIRACY IS BAD

It is really astonishing to see this level of brainwashed fanbois and it seems only to happened in the game industry, how did they do it?

It also seems only to happen on the internet, you never will find this kind of fanboism outside of your room (yeah, maybe at gamestop)

>>15289460

>nowhere to be found

Maybe because your amalgamate strawman is failing?

>>15289631

>study doesn't address whether or not the effect scales.

you actually can't know, you are even unable to pull a link or a source to the original pdf up becasue it is not public, anon. Your statement solely is based on your own opinion wich has no ground or facts who can back up what you just typed, but reading what you just posted sounds a lot like a corporation shill would say or a fanboi in protection for his lovley corporation.

>>15289675

I wouldn't have played it if I couldn't pirate tho.

the only way i can think of why companies, publisher and other corporation hate piracy is because;

They sell their half ass feminsm agenda game with the help of hype trains weeks, if not month before and get all those sweet shekels from those braindead bandwagon hopper fanbois. If this study in fact shows that it boost sells (Witcher, GoG) over a long periode than the actually concept of selling games of the hype train falls apart.

>>15289675

la mulan 2

>>15289719

Who?

>>15289460

Literally never heard anyone make the argument that its effects can't be measured except you.

Games nowadays are riddled with so much DLC and cancer you might as well release them for free. Shadow of War could have had a decent reception if they kept the MTX and then let people play the whole game for free. It still shit the bed in story telling.

>>15289675

If a game is good people will buy it regardless, stop using piracy as a crutch for the failure of shit CalArts-tier train wreck games.

>>15289833

Sex toys are a billion-dollar industry. Defense contractors are billion-dollar industry. What's your point? Your hobby is about as Jewish as dragon dildos?

>>15289803

>I wish piracy hurt sales because (((movies))) are the most worthless forms of entertainment out there. They're are nothing, but absolute time sinkers and the people who watch them are delusional homos.

>I wish piracy hurt sales because (((books))) are the most worthless forms of entertainment out there. They're are nothing, but absolute time sinkers and the people who read them are delusional homos.

>I wish piracy hurt sales because (((operas))) are the most worthless forms of entertainment out there. They're are nothing, but absolute time sinkers and the people who watch them are delusional homos.

>I wish piracy hurt sales because (((television))) is the most worthless form of entertainment out there. It's are nothing, but an absolute time sink and the people who watch them are delusional homos.

The joke is that it's true for every single one

Piracy only doesn't hurt sales simply because it is exists and people never intended on buying it in the first place. In a world where piracy would actually be preventable, it'd be reasonable to prevent it in the eyes of anyone who has actually created anything of worth. Of course overweight neckbeards browsing video game imageboards still won't support anti-piracy in that scenario.

>>15289845

Except television- movies, books, and opera's can display art. It can display passionate forms of feeling and philosophy and depict a complex narrative.

Video games, however are not art and can not do so.

Careful not to fall for it

the fact that it doesn't hurt sales isn't something worth championing. I'd be delighted if it hurt sales.

>>15289855

Tell me all about the "passionate forms of feeling and philosophy" from the Transformers series, or Nu Star wars, or the Harry Potter books, or My Immortal, or Orange is the new black, or The Big bang theory.

Stop using the same bizzaro definition of art used by pretentious hacks like Ebert and all modern artists. Art is something that contributes purely emotionally to society as opposed to a craft which contributes capital to a society. Just because something is art, doesn't mean it has any merit.

>>15289675

cuphead…

>>15289855

Are you retarded, that's not how it works.

still makes you a nigger when you brag about it

>>15290243

or maybe just someone who isnt a gay robot

>>15290351

Nice numbers pal, which part of your ass did you pull it from?

If game is good it deserves to get freely copied to your hard drive.

Otherwise ignore it.

-Confucius 470 bc

>>15290399

I'm basing it off on around 5 years of research on various forums and piracy hubs, bub. Don't get me wrong, see, there's issues with the market and first sale doctrine being ignored by redefining the exchange of legal tender for a product. By and large my research points towards the issue still existing even if most elements that people point to causing it had been eliminated.

>>15290400

>marketing boost

>every where talked about it because game journalists couldn't get past the tutorial

what makes you think that stuff like this prevent piracy?

>>15289719

>I have never

sounds legit

>>15290421

>5 Years of research

Sure you did.

>>15289535

>buying anything from Soyny, the people who used to own Securom, that later turned into Denuvo.

Gee, what a (((coincidence))), fellow consumer.

>>15290428

My point being it's a far stretch from qualifying as a niche indie title, even if it did have a small team.

>>15290489

TAILGATE ISN'T GAY HE'S JUST EFFEMINATE

GET YOUR FUJOSHIT HEADCANON OUT OF HERE

>>15289442

>>15289338

It's 300 page exhaustive statistical report made on several study with basically all the numbers they could find in the EU pertaining to media sales buried under tons of red tape.

And of course the (((EU Commission))) tried to get it suppressed but since it was done with EU funding parliamentarians demanded it to be publicly published. You won't get "another one". Because they're not dumb enough to order another one to be made.

Most of it is perfectly coherent with shit we all know and is already well documented (nearly everyone pirate something, minors are the ones that pirate the most, most vidya consumer are minors, most vidya is sold last quarter -> gifts for Christmas, most minors have no money for vidya and hardly buy more than one on average per year, people that pirate a lot buy more, etc…).

>>15290483

> I'm also doing a research paper on the effects of Racializing Emoticons

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>>15290755

Completely understand the reaction, however, I do need to point out they were already racialized and the purpose of the paper is to identify the issues caused as a result of removing the universality of pictographic expressions.

>>15289292

the total dollar amount of sales lost due to piracy > the $430,000 the eu wasted to do this study

>>15290351

>too scared to steal a physical product

Or maybe they have common sense? Are you going to call everyone who ever bought a pirate dvd a coward now for not mugging the motherfucker instead of paying?

>>15289292

>muh piracy doesn't hurt sales look at the article that talks about the study I never read

If you had actually read the study and not what some soy numale tells you to think, you'd see that:

>They admit they do not have satisfactory sample size.

>There were two surveys that were called upon, both of which in separate publications published independently of the EU study

>like 40% responders of the second survey said they had no idea how to pirate and have never done it

>conclusion was that piracy hurts VIDEO GAMES sales is unsatisfactory, but they made a case for other visual entertainment where piracy caused reduction of around 10% of sales at least

Please be literate and stop repeating articles like an impotent leftist. If piracy hurts movie revenue, it most likely hurts game revenue too. In this study sample size for video game piracy was laughable and they admit so twice - in the first pages and then in that particular chapter.

>>15290880

>40% responders of the second survey said they had no idea how to pirate

How is that supposed to disprove it?

>>15290889

>you will never be intelligent enough to give money to an industry constantly trying to fuck you

>>15290889

it's a jewish assplosion of epic proportions or what

This thread is full cuckchan, fucking summer leftovers.

>>15290902

Very low sample size with shitty screening. You can fit any line to two points, but it doesn't make every single relation linear.

>>15290889

GIVE MONEY TO THESE COMPANIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>15289406

Now you're learning that pirates are literally gibsmedat niggers.

>>15289292

Buying is a mistake.

Always pirate or steal. Never buy.

All companies are enemies of their own customers.

>>15291317

>TORpedo makes a sweeping generalization and the logical conclusion of his shitty argument is that nothing is worth money, therefore society is a scam, so let's all be anarchists!

No, you pirate if necessary and only give money to those companies and others who deserve it.

>>15291355

That fag has been droning on like this in the same fashion every time for months. I don't understand why people still supply him with (you)s.

>>15291314

It was created here, it's supposed to be used to call out halfcucks that refuse to lurk and pretend to be oldfags.

He is using it wrong.

>>15291385

Because I mostly stick to one or two generals or thread that can devolve into gfur, and aggressively hide everything. Sometimes I'll reply to an unhidden thread on the front page if the replies are interesting.

>>15291421

>gfur

go away

>>15291432

No you fuck off. You asked why people reply to him and I gave you my reason like you asked. Bitch.

>>15289292

Is there a link to the article? I've wanted to read it for some time.

>>15291437

>piratefag cannot pirate, so he doesn't bother to play the game

>instead he shits up the threads for everyone else, crying about how the company back stabbed them, and everyone enjoying the game is a corporate cocksucker

>ultimately drives off people from the community interested in talking about a game

>finally gets cracked weeks/months later

>plays it and can't find anyone to talk with about it

fixed for ya

i don't know how many tread i've said this now but i'll say it again

you wanna know how Sega Genesis managed to compete against the SNES?

you wanna know how the PS1 & 2 became such massive juguernauts?

you wanna know how the 360 managed to get ahead of the PS3?

you wanna know how all of these sold millons of units in the 3rd world?

1 word

PIRACY

having acces to cheap vidya is a big plus for dirt poor niggers and spics in the third world

so they all bought the piratable console

then comes the gulible dev wondering wich console has the largest instal base, where should he publish his game to have more chance of people buying it? then he see the sales numbers for each console

>oh my, the Genesis/PS1/2/X360 sold millons of units more than the competition

<completly unaware that more than 3/4 of those millon units sold were sold to dirt poor nigs and spics who will pirate everything

>that's the console i gotta sing my exclusivity deal with

<then top selling console gets more exclusive games than competition

>buyfags buy the console with the best game library

<the cicle continues until next gen

gaze upon the N64, the PS3, the Xbone

what did they all had in common aside from loosing the throne they had last gen?

they were all made harder to pirate games in

>piracy sells consoles

>consoles sold draw devs

>devs increase library

>buyfag buys console with largest library

>>15291512

>pirates claim they pirate to punish corporations

>pirates also claim they pirate to help the industry

https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-can-help-music-sales-of-many-artists-research-shows-180128/

every tim

>>15291588

Removing shitty companies helps the industry, though. How is that a double standard?

>>15291597

actually piracy helps the industry, objectively speaking. here's an article the EU didn't want you to know about that proves (thanks gawker & gizmodo, 100% based) https://archive.fo/c7LuQ

Did I read the study? No, but objectively speaking, the more you pirate the more sales.

>>15291571

As a spic I can attest. SC2: Wings of Liberty was the first game I ever actually bought, after a childhood of Saturn, PS1, PS2 and PC piracy. There are companies that wouldn't have me as a client if I hadn't been introduced to their products in pirate form. This same applies to professional software. Piracy helps spread the word of good games. In this demo-less world, I dare say sales of good games are boosted by piracy.

>>15290489

kill yourself

>>15290489

Hmm, reflecting on this it seems there is. Robots would not need to breed through sexual reproduction, therefore designing and implementing the equipment and programming to give pleasure to the act of procreation would be a waste of energy. Also, experiencing romantic love itself as an impetus to forming pair bonds in order to raise children would be unnecessary as a robot does not 'grow up' and would simply be created whole cloth. So, there is simply no valid reproductive base with which to corrupt into homosexual behaviour. I suggest you cease your urge to anthropomorphize and reduce every thing in the universe at the behest of your materialistic and deviant sexual fetishes which will only further numb your ability to feel anything at all.

>>15290874

No, they're retards for paying someone to pirate for them instead of doing it themselves. Also they're all stupid third worlders.

>>15291874

They do understand it's a copy, the problem is they think (((copyright))) and (((intellectual property))) are legitimate

>>15291851

Fair point, but devs who make quality games shouldn't need to worry about piracy.

>>15291896

Intellectual property is legitimate. Copyright for digital goods is a tougher pill to swallow, but there's no way an author cannot be entitled to distribution of their work.

>>15291940

>Intellectual property is legitimate

>Implying you can own something that isn't scarce i.e. an idea

>Also implying copyright benefits authors and not just (((publishers)))

https://questioncopyright.org/faq

>>15291940

>Intellectual property is legitimate

It is not, it a blanket term used to refer to three totally different rules of law, those being Patent, Trademark and Copyright, and the reason there's a term trying to lump them all together is to confuse people.

>>15291957

>Implying you can own something that isn't scarce

If I buy a tank of oxygen it's my oxygen. Abundance doesn't diminish ownership.

>Also implying copyright benefits authors and not just (((publishers)))

The current state of the world and industry doesn't mean one shouldn't be able to own their creation, even if it's a collection of symbols and slogans (like a superhero). No doubt royalties and trademark ownership should be better between studios and publishers, but one doesn't dispense of the whole concept because of current imperfections in the system.

>>15291958

>blanket term used to refer to three totally different rules of law, those being Patent, Trademark and Copyright

If patents, copyrights and trademarks are legitimate, then the umbrella term for the three also is, at least to the extent of discussing the subject.

>>15291983

Do you know what scarcity means? It doesn't have to do with abundance. Something that can be copied indefinitely without removing the original is not scarce. Oxygen is abudant but it is scarce since atoms can't be on two different places at the same time. A disc with some data in it is scarce, but the data itself isn't.

And copyright was literally created to put control of information on the hands of the government. The "concept" isn't anything benign like what you're thinking of.

>>15292015

You cannot have capitalism in the information age if digital creators cannot enforce entitlement to their work. Are you suggesting that vidya becomes voluntary and free?

>>15292036

Or the creators survive based on the consumer sending stuff for their appreciation of the game. Kinda like with artists getting donations/views based on popularity. Same thing just in a vidya game format for the art.

Or better yet, farm your own food/water, create your own tools/supplies/electricity/etc, and be independent to make vidya for fun and free.

>>15292036

If we had capitalism (as in a free market, depending on the government to do something isn't capitalism) the problem would solve itself eventually because there would be a demand for that. I don't have the answer for how it would work, but as it stands there will never be an attempt to make that change, like with everything the state puts its hand on.

>>15292036

Also read the fucking link I posted earlier.

>>15291499

Maybe in anonymous imageboards, but no one would admit to pirating if they coulf be identified for it.

>>15291499

>instead he shits up the threads for everyone else, crying about how the company back stabbed them, and everyone enjoying the game is a corporate cocksucker

Show me one instance where this happened.

>>15292103

>>15235484

want another?

>>15292054

That's beautiful and inspiring (no /s), and it might come to that point. Patronage and distributism are good things that seem to be inching their way into the modern world, but we aren't there yet. The internet allows for services of old to be rendered obsolete. Why buy 3ds Max when you can use Blender? Why Windows when there's Linux? Sadly, the talented and skilled aren't putting most of their time into FOSS because it doesn't pay. Godot 3 is one of the most promising game engines, and it is free and open source, yet their patron makes little less than 10K a month (not much for a team of people). I yearn for a world where the best tools are FOSS and Adobe and Autodesk are obsolete dust, yet that won't happen anytime soon. Maybe eventually patronage will be such that selling a game will raise eyebrows, but that time is not today and rather than expect a "radical change in the system" we should work within the one we have. That means we keep copyright laws for digital goods, and we try to donate to our favorite content creators.

>>15292069

>If we had capitalism […] the problem would solve itself eventually because there would be a demand for that

FOSS and some form of patronage are the future, but it'll take time. However, this can and does work within the current copyright system. The free market created Permissive and copy-left licenses. No need to dispense with copyright law. It's there to protect creators.

>>15292073

That link is too one-sided.

>Copyright is for publishers

>Doesn't talk about indies

Propaganda dismissive of all cases.

>>15292126

Copyright was created to give a monopoly to certain people, just because indies can benefit from it doesn't make it justifiable. Also, the bigger and more powerful the government is, the slower the future will come, and that applies to everything, everywhere. Some things bypassing bullshit and managing to work on the current system doesn't validate the system itself.

>>15292089

>sharing is caring!

>except the person making original content, fuck him

By the logic of this film I can put my own name at the end of this and claim I made it.

>>15292089

I always find it pretty funny seeing a Nina paley video on h8chan.

>>15292152

>Copyright was created to give a monopoly to certain people

It did? I'm pretty sure it was made to protect owner rights.

> Also, the bigger and more powerful the government is, the slower the future will come, and that applies to everything, everywhere.

Couldn't agree more, why are you telling me this?

>Some things bypassing bullshit and managing to work on the current system doesn't validate the system itself.

Current system needs no excuses for validation. Indies prove that copyright works. "Monopolies" taking in the "big bucks" doesn't invalidate the system.

>>15292253

>It did? I'm pretty sure it was made to protect owner rights.

You didn't actually read it, did you?

If piracy didn't affect sales then publisher Jews wouldn't hand their shekels to Denuvo. I trust that observation far more than the lowest bidder to an EU government contract.

>>15292284

Skimmed it.

>>15292301

>implying (((Denuvo))) aren't the bigger Jews in this scenario

What better way is there to make money than to make up a problem and sell the solution?

>>15291287

>companies treat you like shit

>avoid paying them

>this is somehow a moral statement

If I don't go to McDonald's because the food and service both is shit is it a moral stance? I just don't like them because they're shit and I try to help other people avoid other shitty places. Something like word of mouth.

>>15292301

So on the same basis you also trust that diversity hires and female CEOs significantly increase company performance?

Anyone in this thread arguing that piracy is wrong is a jew. Fuck off jews.

>pirates claim XYZ

Do you realize how dumb this sounds? Anyone and everyone is a pirate. There isn't one big group of people that all present the same argument you fucking retards.

>>15292162

>brain dead video about how copy right works.

>anon still misses the fucking point.

Do you even have a job?

>>15292832

/thread

>>15292301

That's less because of it having an appreciable effect on sales, and more because of a legal obligation to put some measure of effort into defending their copyright, since there is the possibility, however slim, that they could lose legal ownership of their product if they don't. It's the same reason corporations fling out C&Ds on fanprojects all the time.

>>15293092

This is a good point. Having this system in place actually forces people's hands to use it, lest someone else use it against them. It artificially creates conflict.

>>15290483

Care to post it when you finish it?

As a qualified sociologist it genuinely interests me.

>>15293265

It'll be published for free online when it's done, if the left can manage not to totally fuck it up in the next 2 to 3 years, you'll see it if you look for it.

>>15293361

Fuck off newfag.

>>15293491

Not only was a low sample size but the effect described which has also been studied separately is known to only be beneficial only after it becomes viral, if you are a rather small developer with a niche game, piracy is going to affect you more than whatever benefits the free pirate publicity can give you.

>>15290880

Read this post, you illiterate niggers.

The study doesn't actually say that piracy is irrelevant to says, only that it cannot give a satisfactory answer due to methodology issues.

>>15293539

>irrelevant to sales

Sleep deprivation

>>15290880

>>They admit they do not have satisfactory sample size.

What sample size would be satisfactory? How do you even quantify imaginary goods when it can be copied ad infinitum? How do you determine a neckbeard in his underwear clicking on torrents has dissuaded the purchase of said imaginary goods?

We need a new method of investigation for this shit because this is on par with using the scoville scale to rank birdhouses.

>>15293265

You should pirate his hypothesis

>>15293092

That's not how copyright works. The only gotcha in copyright law is that you do need to have registered copyright to be able to claim legal fees.

>>15291260

This pic is basically Communist/Capitalist Futurism V National Socialist Futurism

>>15289675

The devs for Hotline Miami 2 flat out gave out a link to a place to pirate the game Because Aussies couldn't buy it and the game sold pretty well

Your point is invalid

>>15293629

Lawyers have convinced corporate heads that if they don't defend their property at every possible opportunity, courts will use that incident as precedent to steal all their property away from them and the sad part is, because there will be lawyers on the other side as well, they're probably right.

>>15293758

How about you cut to the paragraph in the very beginning where it says for video games sample size was negligible and only under select conditions your pic related is true, therefore to state your pic related is statistically incorrect extrapolation.

>>15293681

Capitalist future will have both you stupid faggot, giving the power to the PEOPLE rather than to an authoritarian state ensures that everyone will have the choice in what happens to them, rather than being subject to the whims of petty socialists determining what is or is not best for the people. All authoritarians and socialists go in the Dominos (TM) Oven.

>>15289675

Get the fuck off this site and back to your shithole.

>>15293947

>>>/ancap/

>>15289292

>you can even google this question and get a 400k answer developed by the EU

That study didn't prove anything actually it only says they couldn't confirm it either way. Not one of you niggers has actually tried reading it for yourself.

>>15289292

>>15294118

>In general, the results do not show robust statistical evidence of displacement of sales by online copyright infringements. 'That does not necessarily mean that piracy has no effect but only that the statistical analysis does not prove with sufficient reliability that there is an effect.

>An exception is the displacement of recent top films. The results show a displacement rate of 40 per cent which means that for every ten recent top films watched illegally, four fewer films are consumed legally. People do not watch many recent top films a second time but if it happens, displacement is lower: two legal consumptions are displaced by every ten illegal second views. This suggests that the displacement rate for older films is lower than the 40 per cent for recent top films. All in all, the estimated loss for recent top films is 5 per cent of current sales volumes.

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

positively affected sales*

>>15294153

ackshually, you statistically can prove a negative. If there is not correlation between piracy and game sales, you have proven the negative, or rather disproven that it does. Though the whole thing is rather stupid because it relies on the ability to measure piracy, which it beats the hell out of me on how you do that.

>>15294164

That is not proving a negative, that is negating a positive claim. The positive claim is the correlation between the two. But even ignoring that, the study being blocked by the EU showed a positive correlation between sales and piracy. However that positive correlation showed that there was increased sales.

>>15294153

>you can't prove a negative,

Retard.

>>15291453

Why are you so angry over nothing?

>>15316606

>Battlefield 4

There was your first mistake

Please don't respond to anti piracy posts. They are all brain damaged.

i dont see how such a thing can have any accurate study

>>15317304

Jesus christ why do any nations stay in the EU when they just wholesale reject or ignore any decision those countries make they don't like?

>>15317189

Reminder that Microsoft tried to kill the used games market by locking every game to a user's console/ID.

>>15317329

If you leave they'll block all trade with you. Atleast thats what they keep threating with and thats what they do to russia currently.

>>15317339

They can't enforce that on someone that's integral to their funding and Europe's economy and they know it.

>>15317329

>why do any nations stay in the EU

Look at Britain. Elites are mad and hammering the shit out of the leave voters with their media and government control. EU itself is probably going to embargo or tax the shit out of all trade with the UK. The open travel borders are going to go away whether two neighbouring countries want it or not (a border WILL be enforced or the EU will pressure the member side immensely), and that's a bigger deal with the mainland European citizens than the Island UK. If you leave they, and the elites in your country, will fuck you sideways and back to make sure nobody else thinks of leaving. That's even if you can get the elites to give you a legitimate vote because they're all profiting from it.

>>15317339

But the EU's market is complete shit, and leaving the EU would mean they'd be open to have more lucrative trade deals with the US, Japan, China, literally anywhere else. Especially so if the Brits don't fuck up their Brexit and make a proper "hard" Brexit like they're supposed to.

>>15317352

>EU itself is probably going to embargo or tax the shit out of all trade with the UK.

Which, again, means fuck all - the European market is a fucking drop in the pond.

>Elites are mad and hammering the shit out of the leave voters with their media and government control.

This sounds like the real problem.

>That's even if you can get the elites to give you a legitimate vote

And considering what happened in France, this probably too.

>>15317355

>Which, again, means fuck all - the European market is a fucking drop in the pond.

Not true at all. The GDP of the EU is 20 trillion USD as of this year and they make up about 1/5th of the global trading economy. They're not a drop of the pond, they're 20% of it.

>>15317345

That pretty much means Germany, Spain and maybe UK. Anyone else can be economically squeezed at leizure and no-one dares to be the first. If everyone left they'd fall apart but like I said, no one dares to be the first.

>>15289292

>developed by the EU

Yes, good goy. Trust the EU. Each man should be allowed a free copy of each game. The age of capitalist pigs is over. Communism will reign supreme.

>>15317463

No they're very much reliant on Spanish and Italian banks to not fuck the Euro.

Apparently the "EU" dictates what gets censored in every occupied European country's internet as well.

>>15291437

this

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>>15316599

>being this much of a corporate whore

>if i suck their dicks enough, my corporate daddies will love me

>all these retards coming in out of the woodwork to defend corporations

all of you should go back to reddit where you belong. or more ideally, gas yourselves

corporate shills >>>/out/