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Any ideas as to how to open the entrance to the Spring in the Sky in La-Mulana? I'd guess it's tied to how much money you spend at the shops in the village.

>>15272427

>And on an unrelated note, anyone figure out what the other two circular symbols on the Dark Lord's Footprint are for?

If you write it all out on paper one of those symbols overlaps with the Dark Star at one point, so I'd assume they're just there for distraction.

So it's worth the price-tag?

Because $25 is a bit steep.

>>15272469

I'm not going to tell you how to spend your money, I know there are magnets out there somewhere. It took me longer to beat than the original, and the original's already a fucking long game, so I'd say the price/quantity/quality ratio's all there, I didn't regret the purchase.

For some reason my PS4 controller acts all funny with the controller inputs, ands its been happening to other games as well with DS4 windows. Any alternatives?

>>15272478

Chill, I was just scared because I've read a review saying that it was more stream-lined and riddles were easier, so I feared that they pandered to casuals.

>>15272498

>I feared that they pandered to casuals

A little, yeah, there are QoL improvements that are obviously meant as an olive branch. Autosaves at Ankhs, reworked jumping controls, expanded TextTrax memory, there are little things like that. Overall it's still harsh, though.

>riddles were easier

Not to me, not significantly. I don't know if anyone who's played the shit out of the original is the right person to judge that anyway.

>>15272469

I got it for less for already owning the first game on Steam. 17 jewros instead of 25.

>>15272484

Had this at first as well, fixed by using big picture mode on Steam.

>>15272523

I do feel it's often a little bit easier on the riddles, although I'll have to replay the original sometime to find out if that's really true or not. There's a lot of ways of cheesing mid and sometimes even ankh bosses, though. Their behavior is often influenced by your position, meaning you can get some of them into easy loops. Ratatoskr is a big offender in that regard, Surtr to some extent, the worm boss in Hall of Malice, the hanging lady, birdbitch in ancient chaos, and probably a few more I forgot.

>>15272578

Damn, I pirated it.

Gotta say I feel its a rare sequel thats just as good as the original, some improvements here, some dowsides there, but the soundtrack is definitely just as good. Eternal Battlefields is the best so far.

Been good about avoiding spoilers, only time I needed a hint was figuring out that Roots was full of false walls and you needed to find one specific one to proceed, as well as the start of the Ankh puzzle in Anwffn. Otherwise going strong I like to think.

This game is bullshit, it lures you in with amazing artwork and a cute blonde but then it's all big head pixel shit.

It reminds me of the bullshit covers in NES games.

Replaying on normal I think has given me an idea of why the lategame bosses are so easy, I'm pretty sure there's no health or damage boost on the bosses on hard mode. Instead of adjusting damage numbers they change the attack patterns. I've only fought Fafnir so far, but in normal mode he only starts firing needles at you in his final phase even though in hard mode it happens all the time, and the meteor pattern is easier on normal as well. Normal enemies have different attacks too, the skeletons don't throw bones at you on normal and the projectile attacks from the enemies move more slowly.

>>15272578

>I do feel it's often a little bit easier on the riddles, although I'll have to replay the original sometime to find out if that's really true or not.

I feel the same way, but the reason I'm not convinced is just thinking back to the release of the remake. I'd say it's a pretty widespread opinion that the remake was easier, mostly because people who'd played the original already knew what they were doing by the time they played the remake. As someone who played the remake first, I personally found the original to be easier. Even though LM2 is technically new content, once you've acclimated yourself to Nigoro's internal logic there's no way it could give you as much trouble as the first game did. My prediction would be that someone who decided to play LM2 first for whatever reason would go back and think LM1 was easier.

I think I'd say objectively there's no puzzle as difficult as the Mantra puzzle in LM1, and the rare moments of moon logic like the Mario pipes are notably absent in LM2, but I still think the average LM2 riddle is as hard as the average LM1 riddle.

>>15273407

I just want to play the cute blonde from the cover and for her to look like she does on the cover.

I'm a bit disappointed especially when I started to play the remake again after almost finishing this one.

One of the first things I noticed is how much more damage enemy soak right from the start. In the first one the whip is a lot faster right from the beginning and most starting enemies die in one hit. I don't remember the original having such annoying spike and enemy placement either. I felt like I spent a lot more time killing while backtracking than I did in the first one.

Bosses on the other hand were much more challenging, even without considering ankh checkpoints.

I guess that's hardly a spoiler to talk about but did anyone else think miracle.exe is locked behind too many items? I had to use a lot of key fairies before I even was able to get it. I don't really remember how late you got it in the first one but it was really annoying to have to go through that fairy spawning all the time

I'm gonna gonna have to play through the first one again to figure out if puzzles are more ordinary or I just got used to the way they work.

Soundtrack seems like a huge letdown after going back to the first. There's barely anything catchy. I actually remembered the first one to be a lot worse but listening to it again it mostly comes down to both the original and remake having some weak instrumentation, while being fantastic otherwise.

>All I Need is One Finger on hard

>ezpz no problem

>Replay game on normal

>Get bullied by Jormungandr

What

>>15273550

I mean, you can get an early Grapple Claws there but it's not useful yet.

You basically should do Divine Fort -> Giants -> Icefire just for the sigils asap, no?

>>15273671

>Ancient Chaos

Oh fuck that one tower climb just before Anu on hard. Wow.

>>15273550

>Can you not walk into that field and get it as soon as you enter?

You need the flame eenchantment and as far as I know it has a lot of pre-requirements.

sage because I could have put it in my last post

>>15273671

>It probably had. I'm talking specifically about the amount of enemies you meet regardless of duration.

Oh, right, yes, the enemy density on Hard in LM2 is completely unreasonable, there are at least a dozen enemies on every screen and they're very spongy by the endgame. That's one of the reasons I'm replaying on normal, I want to see what the enemy escalation is supposed to be like.

As to your comment on the spikes earlier, that was my experience as well, and I think the culprit is the new jumping controls. Since you can change direction in midair they probably felt more comfortable sticking spikes and enemies in inconvenient places, since you could reflexively avoid them. The first thing I did after beating LM2 was play the demo again, and I think it really cemented in my mind how much better the old jumping controls were.

>I think the art style of the original really helps make everything more readable.

Yeah, maybe, although even outside of the legibility of stage elements the riddle wording was occasionally more straightforward and some altered puzzles were easier to deal with. I'm not really complaining, the original LM1 is still my favorite of the three.

>>15273666

Shrine of the Frost Giants was my next port of call for the second sigil, yeah, that and the Djed Pillar. I'd assume that's what they meant when they said that LM2 would be more nonlinear than LM1, that you can enter the mantra passwords earlier in a second playthrough without having to read the tablets that tell you the password.

>>15273739

>I'm not really complaining, the original LM1 is still my favorite of the three.

It's the same for me. Even if I didn't enjoy it as much as the original it's still one of my favorite games released in a long time.

>>15274253

The numbers are the seals if I remember correctly right? Also I do know where all of those are but i haven't been given any clues about them yet

>>15274263

You should pay more attention to the names of rooms.

>>15274263

Well, you have enough information to solve the puzzle now. Happy hunting!

Also, what mantras do you have?

>>15274308

Maybe. Maybe not. Time to review things and start thinking it over.

>>15274319

Doesn't really matter at this point until I get them anyway. Im spending my time trying to figure out how the underworld works atm.

>>15274331

Have you entered it yet?

Don't even think about the 7 gates puzzle until you've solved like 4 or 5 puzzles there

>>15274338

Yeah I have, and I know a few things I need to do. Just gotta figure out what's safe to walk on and everything right now and read the tablets in there. I've got 6-7 things in my TextTrax

Concerns me a little that on the new playthrough I'm going through the bosses in the exact same order as last time. Maybe I should be consciously trying to alter the sequence but going Fafnir, Vritri, Kujaja, Jormungandr just makes so much sense in terms of the way they open up the ruins.

>>15274266

Speaking of which, was there ever a puzzle that required you to know which race wrote a specific clue? I kept expecting that after getting that software, but to my knowledge it never came up. I don't remember that clue about the light of four fairies summoning a door being used for anything either.

>>15274395

The race scanner is never really necessary but it can help.

The "Where is here?" tablet being Olympian in takamgahara helped clue me in toward drawing all the right connections for that puzzle.

>>15274395

>was there ever a puzzle that required you to know which race wrote a specific clue

How about getting the Cog? Sure you can insert the item to open the box, but since you need to come it from above, and from an adjacent zone and the only relevant tablet is in Takamagahara Shrine, written "Where is this?" by an Olympian

>>15274410

>>15274404

Oh I never even considered that, I just made the dragon connection, that and I said "Where is it?" aloud while I was working on the puzzle. That's cool.

I hope they keep the Feather sequence break in. You don't even need the claw to get it.

>>15274491

I can't imagine how they'd patch it out, besides just walling off that section of the room entirely so it can only be accessed from above. It's not like they can remove all enemies from the room or change the way knockback works.

I am at loss of direction as to what I'm supposed to do now after I have killed Hel. What I'm apparently stuck on right now, is giving sakit some liquor to absorb the dissonance. but the one I have is soma, not the giant's shrine one. I don't think I've seen any clues for the mantra for the giant mimir statue

>>15274593

Was there a certain boss you might have missed in an area that is related to the second race?

>>15274598

I don't know if I have missed one, but it is likely. I've used all my ankh jewels that I managed to find. All of the corridor of blood paths are bloodied, except for frost giant's. I have found no indication there which would be a boss to be fought yet.

>>15274623

Remember where you fell through the snow to get the sigil way earlier in the game? Check for rooms near there you haven't explored fully.

>>15274593

>I don't think I've seen any clues for the mantra for the giant mimir statue

There definitely is one, and it's an obvious clue, but I confess I can't remember where it is. Maybe it's in the Eternal Prison? A lot of the endgame mantra clues are in there.

>>15274633

I want to say the clue was near the grail tablet in Ancient Chaos, where you get the skull from

>>15274630

Are you referring to fenrir? Or have I missed something?

>>15274641

Here's a fun bug. When you beat him, a Giant Bust of Mimir appears on the screen. If you leave, then the statue doesn't visually appear anymore. But if you use the correct mantra on the left side of the screen, the floor will sink and you'll get the Divine Wine there. You'll probably have to suicide to use your Soma as well.

>>15273671

>I'm talking specifically about the amount of enemies you meet regardless of duration

I think the amount of enemies spawned is based on the mount of skulls you own, and those are optional items during most of the game. Leave them for last to make the game easier.

No idea if that's still true on Hard though.

>>15274630

>>15274633

Ancient Chaos, right-up one tile from where you fought ki-sikil-li-la-ke

>>15274658

He explicitly mentioned the giant Mimir bust, he already knows where it is.

I have a question about the sequence breaking

What if you get to Icefire Treetop by killing Nidhogg, get the grapple claw, then enter Immortal Battlefield that way? It's a long trek to the first grail tablet (since you can't swim up), but is it theoretically possible?

This would make Jormungand the first boss (not that you'd want to), give you access to Annwfn if you can beat cetus, and potentially ignore Fafnir.

>>15274638

You are correct. Can't believe I forgot about that one. It's a pretty obvious clue, too. Not enough space in the text saving app to grab all the important information sometimes.

>>15274658

You would think that whoever play-tested this would notice the bug.

Thankfully, you don't have to empty the vessel if it's filled with soma. It just replaces it with the wine

Now, from what I have currently read and done, it's time to fulfill the prophecy.

Heimdallr was a bit of a let-down. Though, I honestly didn't know what to expect.

>>15274658

You run into a lot of rough edges like that at the end. There's also the spot where the three goddess statues disappear at the end, which I'm sure is intentional, but I doubt it's intentional that the background behind them abruptly cuts off mid-screen. There's also the encounter with Lemeza and Shawn in the Immortal Battlefield which will keep playing repeatedly no matter how many times you see it, even during the escape sequence.

>>15275516

Best hope at this point is that there's some Gate of Time-style skip that's passed me by, because it looks like they're consciously trying to bottleneck your progress at the start

>>15276078

There probably won't be unless they implement one in a patch. Nidhogg's part of the mythos of the Roots, so it kind of makes sense. Fun fact, my first Ankh jewel was the one from Vedrfolnir

I've never had the bug with Lemeza and Shorn, but I'd like to remind everyone in this thread to

REPORT YOUR BUGS

>>15276105

>Shorn

I see I'm as indecisive as NIGORO with how to romanize his name.

>>15275281

What about climbing up the top right side with the ice, leaving via the bottom right of Immortal Battlefield?

>>15277618

See the other post I made. Both exits to the rest of Immortal Battlefield are blocked initially.

Polite sage.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/835430/discussions/0/1743342383228804447/#c1746720717332429826

They want to patch out the early Feather break

>>15277653

Guess I'll eat my words then. Is that really a priority? I guess I'll reserve judgment until I see the rest of the patch notes, but that just seems unnecessary, considering there are actual gamebreaking issues still waiting to be patched.

>>15277666

There's no good reason to remove it even if the game was stable, since it only punishes clever players for no benefit to anyone.

They have the patch notes in the sticky, mostly it's about stopping minibosses being bugged when teleporting out

>>15277747

Nevermind, forgot about the dias at the bottom of the water track

I think it is impossible to progress without killing Fafnir.

>Yggdrasil

<A1 to Annwfn needs rolling shurikens

<C6 to Annwfn needs seal

>D1 to Icefire Treetops is valid

<D6 to Divine Fortress needs Fafnir slain

<G1 to Immortal Battlefield needs seal

>Icefire Treetops

<C1 to Immortal Battlefield (blocked by wheel of fire dias)

<D3 to Yggdrasil (you came from here)

<D6 to Underworld, not happening

<F1 to Immortal Battlefield (blocked by underwater dias)

Have you looked at the routing that's possible with Fafnir slain, though?

>>15277793

Repeating my idea from the previous thread, but it should be possible in theory to kill Hel as your 6th Guardian. You need the following bosses killed:

>Fafnir (Escaping Yggdrasil)

<Vritra (Not sure on this one. One guy reported getting the Beherit from Giltoriyo after Alsedarna died, and had it during the boss fight

>Kujata (Djed Pillar)

>Jormungand (Mjolnir for Feather)

>Surtr (Flame Torc for Vidofnir)

Which just meets the required 5 guardian door that Vidofnir spawns.

>>15277793

>Have you looked at the routing that's possible with Fafnir slain, though?

I have, and it doesn't make me optimistic. I'm putting my second playthrough on hold until the next few patches comes out, but based on what I've seen it's confirming that the ruins open up more slowly than in LM1. Even after killing Fafnir, you'll have to kill another guardian if you want to get to Shrine of the Frost Giants and grab the second sigil.

>>15277841

<Vritra (Not sure on this one. One guy reported getting the Beherit from Giltoriyo after Alsedarna died, and had it during the boss fight

I think theoretically Alsedana will trigger that dialogue the first time you witness dissonance, so shouldn't the fastest way just be casting Sun on the statue of Ledo? I wonder if that would work

>>15278318

>until the next few patches comes out

Same. Linux port would be nice too

>kill another guardian

Yeah, but like I said, that could be something like Jormungandr or Kujata instead of Vritra.

>shouldn't the fastest way just be [spoilers]

I'm not sure you can cast sun at Ledo without talking to Sakit. The puzzle solved jingle plays there.

>>15278511

>Yeah, but like I said

Right, but you know Vritra and Kujata should be fought as soon as possible because of what they unlock. You could hypothetically upset the sequence between the 1st and 2nd guardian, but I don't think it's going to affect the route that much, you'll still want access to the Corridor and the Mantras ASAP

>>15278517

They try to catch you up at the beginning of the game, it's not a story- or lore-heavy game by any means, you'll mostly miss out on nods and a few twists that show up earlier in LM2. Imagine playing Super Metroid without having played Metroid, it's like that.

>>15278517

Cool blogpost.

Basically the second game mostly spoils the first game, but it's a lot more forgiving and feels more fluid in general.

>>15278511

Just tried it. Nothing happened.

I guess because Sakit needs to die first since the bearers of Dissonance have to bite it before its released?

>>15278574

I don't understand why like, Typhon was the dissonance, for example. It's borne from strife between two races of the child generation, right? If the Gigas and Olympians hated each other and just hid away, but had no ill-will then I don't

>>15278602

Typhon was the one controlling the Olympians, since they couldn't goven themselves. I believe the Gigas were sealed off by them like the Vanir by the Aesir, but reversed.

>>15278546

>Vritra and Kujata should be fought as soon as possible because of what they unlock

Not necessarily Vritra actually. You can enter the corridor without beating Vritra and fight the angry Mexican cheetah with the glove in Annwfn. This theoretically gives you access to the other side of Shrine of the Frost Giants without needing to access it from the 2 Guardian door.

>>15278672

>This theoretically gives you access to the other side of Shrine of the Frost Giants without needing to access it from the 2 Guardian door.

While that's true, I believe you'd need both the Djed Pillar (requiring you to beat Kujata and the Earth, Moon, and Heaven mantras to melt the ice in order to make that route viable

>>15278679

You'd get the Grapple Claw and first sigil, and then the second, and then pop over to Icefire for the third. Seems pretty valid.

>>15278679

Would you? The pedestal nearby removes the wall separating you from the Rapier room

>>15278732

It does, but I don't believe you can get the second sigil from there. You'd have to fall from the screen above that snow drift to get enough momentum to fall through, and you can only access that screen from the Annwfn entrance. Maybe I'm wrong, try it out, but I don't think it would work.

Protip: If you're gonna test out speedrun routing, I'd recommend making a save as soon as you beat up Nidhogg and use that as the "base" save to test shit

Okay, so I did Yggdrasil, then through the DF and got the sigil, entered Valhalla and solved most of it for the software, haven't slain Vritra yet. Went to Annwfn for Power Glove, and I'm going to mess around a bunch now.

I would think that slaying Vritra is important to get Beherit so you can get the Feather (though we should probably assume they'll remove it for sure even though they said they'd remove that break). Gonna try backdooring the Frost Giants

Alright, so you can definitely get the first three sigils with only Fafnir defeated

Oh hey I figured out something important.

If you do the Frost Giant backdoor and get the Rapier and second/third sigil, then even if you enter IB from the ice side of treetops, you still can't get in. But, you could potentially get the Moon mantra very early and the rapier gets you the dino statue

>>15278853

Oh no wait, scratch the Mantra, since it actually requires one from IB anyways. Still, early statue might be interesting, but at that point, you're probably better off to just enter the zone normally.

>>15279053

I'm afraid not, I tried the same thing on graph paper and only the ladder transitions are truly contiguous. The rest of the branches and gates are a fucked up spiderweb that doesn't make physical sense, I ended up with a mess of arrows pointing from one field to another

>>15279232

>Backsides should just be the COB areas ideally

>Instead IB has up to three teleports, Frost Giant got severed and Underworld shows up twice

Barely started playing. Cleared the first real zone, roots of Yggdrasil and beat the crows in the divine fortress and made it to the save point. My impression so far, roots of yggdrasil was already 1000x easier than Guidance Gate. There was nothing to really figure out even.

>>15281145

Hey heres a spoiler for when you hit Gate of the Dead. When you get to the white switches, use pepper on them. You'll thank me later.

Has anyone with the recent patch not completed the puzzle in Heaven's Labyrinth to release the griffon and activate some dias that's in the same room? I have not been able to activate that dias nor have I been able to get the perfume after defeating the griffon.

>>15281145

Don't underestimate this game. The difficulty spike shoots way higher in this game than the last.

>>15281755

Don't assume people will have the same problems you had, that solution was really obvious to me. Finding the 4th of those things on the other hand, I still don't know how to figure it out but luckily someone spoiled it here (the Sun mantra in the decapitated heads room one).

>>15281145

>1000x easier than Guidance Gate

Guidance Gate had, what, three puzzles? Let's not overstate things, there's at least one or two big puzzles that start in Roots.

>>15281797

>The difficulty spike shoots way higher in this game than the last.

You think so? I don't know, there are definitely more impediments to your progress in LM2 than LM1 and there are a good number of tough puzzles, but I'd still say the absolute hardest riddles are in 1.

>>15281828

>the 4th of those things

I'm pretty sure there's a tablet in that room that tells you what to do.

>>15281875

>I'm pretty sure there's a tablet in that room that tells you what to do.

Nope, it tells you what to do in the room below that. Just checked, there's a hint for it in the room down-right from the grail point. Dunno how I missed that the first time. Fucking hindsight.

So, I assume no one screams SHILL! when this game is discussed because it's made by Japs, right?

https://steamcommunity.com/games/835430/announcements/detail/1721950919399220853

The visual effect for dissonance was apparently created using all of the backer face submissions for murals, that's a cool touch

They really couldn't have made the Eternal Battlefield any larger, could they?

In other news, what software does Anon use to make maps of the ruins?

>>15282809

LibreOffice Calc, with the Libbie icon set

>>15282809

>They really couldn't have made the Eternal Battlefield any larger, could they?

It's more than twice the size of any level in LM1 besides Twin Labyrinths, yeah

>>15283036

Did you try walking out to Heaven's Labyrinth?

Or did you enter from Corridor of Blood

>>15283083

Corridor entrance seals off when you start Hall of Malice.

You can get softlocked there, though.

>>15283090

So you hadn't opened the Yggdrasil Door to Heaven's Labyrinth to Hall of Malice? Strange, but I guess the Grail Point prevents you from really needing that. Best of luck retard

>female protagonist

why bother

Play easy cock.:

<Cock, as an escape.

>Cock, as the last transmission.

>Cock as we really down-

It's shit, and you cannot keep it up.

>>15283103

Karkinos isn't too bad. If you can manage to get his health low enough you can just drop down to the lower area and shoot flares at him whenever he jumps

>>15283153

If you say so, I know that I brought a fully loaded pistol in there with me and it didn't even take out half of his health bar. Maybe flares would have been a better idea. Most if not all of the bosses and minibosses have different attack patterns between normal and hard mode, so I'd predict that on normal mode he doesn't have the bubbles at the sides of the arena, so you could more safely throw spears down at him

>>15283168

No, the bubbles are on normal. But you make me want to play hard mode. Too bad the recent patch seems to have fucked a few things. Also Linux

>>15283036

>not saving in a different slot every once in a while so you can go back to a previous save file if you fuck yourself over like this

You only have yourself to blame, the game even tells you to do this.

>>15283168

Has anyone else gotten a bug where griffon refuses to die properly and keeps respawning? Supposedly it's a softlock.

>>15283153

>>15283168

Nigger the crab was one of the easier ones. Just stand on the bottom left platform and throw spears, only the occasional eye laser can hit you there. Once he moves a bit to the left you don't even need to short hop to hit with them and can just spam as fast as you can.

OK, how the fuck am I supposed to beat Jormungandr?

It was funny at first when I had to turn the key on to avoid insta-death, but once we get moving since I cannot turn around how the hell and I supposed to hit this fucker without getting hit myself each time? Seems like the only option is to find as many sacred orbs as you can to tank the damage

>>15285361

Use gun.

>>15285378

>not gitting gud and just using the katana

>>15285392

>not taking every opportunity to bully the game in return for all the horrible shit it's done to you

lol what a fucking beta cuck

>>15285361

An okay strategy I managed to find is to jump over him as he gets ready to accelerate. But, you must not be too far along either side of the screen, or you'll basically be sucked in under him when he comes back. Only attack when he uses his grenade launcher while behind him, unless you know you can sneak in a hit when he is using the pistol.

>>15285628

He follows a strict pattern the game expects you to memorize. What a smart person does instead is ignores that shit and tanks the hits while killing him in 4 hits with the gun.

>>15285638

>Using the gun

>When it's basically the developers saying "We're sorry that the game is too hard for you; here is the glorified cheat item."

>>15285646

The difficulty comes from the obtuse puzzles and to a lesser extent the platforming, not the combat.

>>15285097

>Has anyone else gotten a bug where griffon refuses to die properly and keeps respawning? Supposedly it's a softlock.

No, but I got something like that here >>15281797 The devs screwed up the griffon fight severely with the current patch, so I guess we just wait for a hotfix.

>>15285693

That sounds like the same issue. Did the griffon spawn and fall into the pit before you even solved the puzzle to activate it?

>>15285698

That was one of the issues I had after the first time beating the griffon but the perfume box not opening. There's also so major clipping issues in the room below

>>15285361

acquire vajra and katana when he's standing back shooting at you get the closer you can and spam attack you'll hit him somehow when he's in front dont be a fucking pussy and try to slap him

>>15285730

>vajra

What does vajra even do? I never noticed that it did much.

I thought it buffed sub-weapons

>>15285916

Multi-attacks with primary weapons.

>>15285916

Are you only using the Axe? That's the only one that isn't affected by Vajra, you'd definitely notice the difference with the others.

>>15285976

No, I never used the Axe, the katana was so much better than anything else. When I finally got it after struggling to get the glove, it was my main weapon for the rest of the time.

>>15285976

Is the axe even any good? The damage seems really shit compared to the flail whip, but that makes me feel like I was supposed to get it a lot sooner.

>>15286016

No, they nerfed it pretty hard compared to the remake. The hitbox is smaller and I don't think it gets as much damage boost from the Gauntlet this time either. Seems like the OP weapon is the katana.

>>15286033

>damage boost

*speed boost

>>15286016

I only found use of it for the not-tiamat boss.

>>15286033

I stink the flail whip is stronger but I know for a fact that it's stronger than chain.

>>15286066

I just used the gun on her because fuck dodging.

>>15286033

At least they didn't make the knife the new meta. Even if it still pretty useful against those glorified pseudo-turtle assholes.

>>15286033

Yeah, Katana was my goto weapon for 90% of the run. Whip was too slow, and the frontal arc on the katana made missing things impossible. I didn't change to whip again until I had 3rd+gauntlet+software

>so much of the game seems locked behind mantras

>have difficulty with the boss that guards it

It wouldn't be so bad, if I could figure out a way to progress somewhere else first and maybe get some power ups. At this point, it looks like I just need to git gud. This is going to be a long play through.

>>15286195

I don't think I could stand using the knife for the major bosses. I can deal with the close range for regular enemies, but the range, and upward facing hitbox is nice for bosses.

>>15288705

It's currently glitched the hell out. You're going to have to wait for a patch

>>15287920

I think it has a larger underfoot hitbox than the Knife and a larger overhead hitbox than the Axe as well, it's really good. There's no beating the flail whip for pure DPS though, they probably should have locked it behind something more difficult.

>>15288464

>have difficulty with the boss that guards it

It's unfortunately impossible to get a better shield before you fight that boss, too, so you will have to get good

>>15288464

>>15289042

It is however possible to get the Vajra, which should help.

>>15289142

I think you could find two more mantras, depending on which ones you're missing. You're exploring the Eternal Prison too, right? It looks like you haven't made much progress in that area.

>>15289408

Yeah that was some bullshit. Didn't trick me as thoroughly as ascending the Dark Lord's Pyramid, though

>>15289408

You should expect traps after every boss if you've played the first game, they used to put them after way harder bosses. Hell, there's tablets warning you about how he'll try to kill you even after he dies.

>>15289468

Anon you don't get it. They reused a set-piece from the last game out of nowhere, you know exactly what the trap does. And then they set it up so it only kills if you played the first game

>>15289597

Feel free to ask for hints, we can push you in the right direction.

>>15289603

i think i have to enter the underworld but i'm currently missing 2 things i need the moon mantra and the cog also the griffin is bugged so i cant kill typhoon

>>15289603

oh yeah also the anubis room keeps "eating" me

>>15289610

I'll try to make them as spoiler-light as possible

The moon mantra is in a hidden room, which you may or may not have found; you can either find it on your own or use a software combination to reveal hidden rooms on the map. It's possible you've found that room and didn't know what to do, but review your notes, there's a tablet with a hint for it.

For the cog are you just having trouble getting to where this is? Somebody gave a hint earlier in the thread that it might help to have the Race Scanner app equipped.

To enter the underworld you shouldn't need the cog anyway

>>15289610

Killing the gryphon gives you an item that is not essential to progress, but is helpful. Typhon isn't needed quite yet - you still need to deal with his wife first, of course. Actually I forget what you receive from doing the 4 guardians of that area, I think its access to the gate in the top right of the area, but that's just the normal entrance to Hall of Malice. Killing Typhon unlocks the area's Dissonance, which isn't needed until endgame

I don't think the Cog is necessary yet. However, you should have everything you need for it right now, if you wanted to get it. At the very least, you need 5 mantras and the Ancient Battery. Opening the chest is one thing, but the puzzle to actually get it is more devious - check for the room names and tablets that look out of place in other zones, particularly things written by Olympians.

The Moon Mantra is hidden in the Immortal Battlefield. Also, the room is not shown on the map. It's hidden pretty well and needs the Sun mantra to unlock it. Look for passageways into the zone that don't make sense.

The Underworld can be entered via Corridor of Blood. You may need the Moon mantra for that, if I remember correctly. Note that there is a sequence of gates you need to pass in the correct order to solve it properly. This alone requires 3 or 4 puzzles to be solved inside.

>>15289477

>only if you played the first game

I doubt it, most newfags wouldn't stand perfectly in the center of the room either. But my point was that it's a piss easy boss, I redid him twice because the second time I found out the trap destroys his drops and I wanted that sweet sweet dosh. Doubt he took over a minute to beat either.

>>15289610

>>15289620

For the moon: Remember the room where you got the dinosaur statue? It's there, in a location you can get to from another area with some effort, but seems to have nothing useful.

>anubis room keeps eating me

The anubis room is in the underworld, you can't be there yet.

>>15289650

I think he means the room with Ammit and Maat's Judgment

Apparently there's a buggy workaround to fix the gryphon puzzle

https://steamcommunity.com/app/835430/discussions/0/1746720717347055515/

Does anyone know what killing the sub boss in the unmapped part of Shrine of the Frost Giants that you can only access through the Corridor of Blood does? I managed to kill him but I can't figure out what if anything it affected, other than a portion of the wall sliding out in the room you fight him in.

>>15289902

Well you needed the Power Glove to beat him, right?

Now you can stand on the part of the wall that slid out

>>15289952

>Not classic Nebur

>Not wanting to protect her even though she is fully capable of looking after herself, and has a child to boot

>>15289915

Ah, I see, thank you.

>>15289977

Also, regarding the mural in the next room, there's actually two statues in the room and the puzzle is immediately solveable

More direct answer: You need to push the two statues roughly so that the mural is divided into thirds. People seem to think it's bugged, but don't realize the answer

>>15289983

>People seem to think it's bugged, but don't realize the answer

What? You just have to match it to an identical mural in Immortal Battlefield, it's a pretty straightforward connection. I was expecting more visually-driven riddles like that, honestly

>>15290014

I know but some people thought it had to be on the sides or edges of the mural, and kept fucking complaining about it on the >Steam forums. I kinda thought it worked that way too, and I got stuck way longer than needed because of it

>>15289752

Thanks for this tip!

GoG Galaxy has a similar feature, though much easier than Steam's command line. On your La-Mulana 2 game page, click "More", then "Settings", then uncheck the option "Automatically update to newest version". You should then be able to rollback to version 1.0.0. I'm going to try this workaround and get back with the results.

>>15289965

>he waifus the girl that had sex with the fucking Fairy Guild General

>>15290151

Wait, where was that hinted at?

>>15289752

>>15290077

Ok, I was able to rollback the update and access my save without a hitch. Fighting the griffon went smoothly and I was able to get the perfume. Re-updating and loading the same save didn't cause any issue. Strangely, I still can't get the MSX Upgrade with either version even after speaking to Baphomet.

>>15290190

I thought I found it in one of the yellow tents

>>15290193

Yeah, my bad, you have to beat more than just the Griffon to activate the tent encounter.

>>15290339

What the fuck

>>15290367

I think he shows up once you get the second achievement related to her, by visiting her 40 times.

>>15289042

>>15289118

And I fucked myself over by scanning the roots mantra before getting the pillar, so it won't let me have the mantra. Is this technically a glitch or am I just fucked?

>>15290434

That's not a mantra, it's the mantra application.

>>15290443

I am a retard then.

So the griffin bug can be unfucked bu downgrading your game to version 1.0, killing it and reupgrading. It's supposedly a common but so you could also just wait if you're too dumb to figure out how to do this on your own.

>>15289421

Yeah I haven't been, was kind of trying to avoid it tbh. Also I woke up Hraesvelgr but I still have to beat it, and I haven't done Anubis' trials cause I don't have the stuff I need, probably cause I'm either missing a mantra or not getting a puzzle. And I know there's at least one mantra down there cause I solved the brahma puzzle.

>>15290772

>and I haven't done Anubis' trials cause I don't have the stuff I need,

If you ask Mulbruk about it she'll tell you they can all be solved entirely within that level, so you should be able to do it.

>probably cause I'm either missing a mantra or not getting a puzzle

It might not be your fault, unless they patched it, there's a translation error. One of the riddles is missing a crucial line in the English version.

>>15290817

No I mean he won't even talk to me yet. I know where the thing I need is, I just don't quite have the solution to the puzzle to get to it yet. But I think I'm on the right track.

>>15290828

And just as I write that, I solve it. It didn't seem to work last time, so maybe it was the patch.

>>15290844

If you're talking about getting the feather that lets you talk to Anubis, that's never been broken. All you need to do is get on the scale with zero weights.

>>15291093

Actually some people have been reporting on steam that they've gotten on there with 0 weights, 0 money, and combinations of them both and it still doesn't work. It's not affecting everyone though.

>Steps of the Dark Lord

I finally found this puzzle here, but what the heck am I supposed to do? Is there some sort of Tablet I missed that explains the order I should do things in and do I ignore the instructions that suggest mantas that just don't exist like WALL?

Also I guess I don't know what the number of Mantras are needed. I don't want to look it up because I might just spoil a lot more than what I intended.

>>15291460

>Also I guess I don't know what the number of Mantras are needed.

A philosopher gives a hint to this if you go and talk to them.

>>15291460

You have seen the 8x4 arrangement of tiles throughout the ruins, in named map regions called DARK LORDS FOOTPRINTS, right? There's 5 of them in total, which you can find just by wandering around.

As for the order… have you played the first game by chance?

>>15291469

>>15291496

Yeah I caught onto the order

But the last one seems to be 'The Word Mother is Not Spoken', am I missing out on something obvious? I dont think I missed a chance for another Mantra at this point so there's probably some sort of with the 5th step, right?

>>15291711

>The word mother is not spoken

I mean, it's not, but I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion

>>15291711

>so there's probably some sort of with the 5th step, right?

Yep. Double check your notes, by the way, I think you might have slipped one tile off at one point.

>>15291711

Wait, I'm a retard. The one I got from the gate was upside down.

Lying bird bitch got me. I made it through.

>>15291736

The bird tells no lies.

>>15291736

Shit after the asspain that was Jorungandr I was expecting a real mess. That boss was nothing.

>be playing archaeological ruins excavation game

>see room filled with pattern

>"nice decoration"

>see another room filled with similar pattern

>"nah, that's not important"

>get to final area

oh god no why would you do this

How do I figure out which throne is the correct one?

>>15292256

There's multiple ways of figuring it out: it's the one near the strongest warrior according to his glossary entry, it's the one near a hidden room if you have the app combo that shows those, it's the last one you can access, and frankly it's just one of twelve so it's not hard to try them all.

>>15291093

No, I did that no problem. I'm talking about the puzzle before it. After I solved it the first time, it wouldn't light up again, even if I was doing the right mantras. Until I tried it yesterday.

Now I'm at Anubis and properly stumped. I want to try things out, but I did hear this was one of the mistranslated puzzles? Is that true?

>>15293748

If he won't talk to you, you need the feather. Note that it's not the same feather as the one that makes you double jump.

>>15293773

No I have that, I have the tablets, I'm just trying to figure out what to do now.

>>15293780

Give it your best shot and if it doesn't work out maybe someone in the thread can try to give a good version of the missing line

Is there DRM?

>>15293787

Hm, I've got 2 of them, just missing the one about "incanted silence". Figured it had something to do with the djed pillar but nothing seems to work yet.

Is there any way to get back into the corridor after doing the thing at the end of the game?

>>15293856

Nvm, that was the mistranslated one. Seriously how tf are you supposed to get that without knowing that? lmao

>bring weapon fairy to surtr

>it immediately breaks the floor

why do I even bother

>>15293839

It's on GoG, so no.

>>15293839

Steam version has Steam's DRM this time, but there's a GOG version.

>>15293872

Nope, so if you ever want to go back to that one part of Ancient Chaos you'll have to store that prayer altar there before doing the corridor stuff and never overwrite it.

>>15293916

Surtr is easy even with just the axe, though. His health is ridiculously low to counteract his ability to 1-hit kill you.

My tips for beating him

>use the axe, whip hits below you on each second hit if you're hitting rapidly, katana could work while jumping but the hitbox sometimes lingers and breaks the block below you when landing

>he puts his face down when you're right in the middle of him, not when you're even a little to the side

>break the block underneath his mouth so the fire just drops off screen, then stand next to him and just wail on him

>I didn't even stand on his arm once, still killed him within 3 punches though

>break blocks that are about to fall on you by hitting them with the axe (slow, might be bad if there's two in rapid succession) or whip (faster, but smaller hitbox above you)

>>15293975

Yeah, I just beat him. The first phase is predictable, so you can get a solid 15 hits in with the axe (no gauntlet). After that it was just not getting fucked by falling rocks

Hey yo can I get the gauntlet before hall of malice?

>>15294102

I think so. It just requires that you have the life seal and you've beaten the sub-boss in the frost giant area from the corridor of blood. It's in that general area.

>>15294121

You sure? I'm pretty sure I did everything in that area. There was a merchant, but he didn't sell that. Plus all the eyes are closed.

>>15294354

Nvm, found it.

who even tells you where to find the gauntlet

>>15294760

I don't remember finding the hint for it. I noticed the snow in that room and thought that maybe there was a room hidden above where I could fall down to.

>>15294760

Fobos tells you it's past the tip of the winged lion.

Where that is: if you notice, each field has an icon behind its name; scanning the reliefs in Divine Fortress implies that these represent the entire field. Each field map does indeed appear as a low resolution version of this image.

It's unfortunate that no fan-made maps seem to incorporate this, but the "tail" of Shrine of the Frost Giants is the room with the furnace. "Past the tip" implies above, hence the room.

>>15294810

tip of the tail of the winged lion*

>>15293975

>Steam version has Steam's DRM this time

Interesting, the La-Mulana remake doesn't have Steam DRM in spite of making use of Steam's cheevo garbage.

Hey is Belial supposed to keep moving after you use the Lamp of Time? I got frustrated enough to look at a video and for the video she seems to stop in place during the timestop but mine keeps on moving

>>15296809

Probably patched her since she was too easy this way and it completely circumvented her unique mechanic and intended solution

>>15297429

Figured as much. Still have no idea where the hint for how to really do it is, saw someone use the egg of creation to clear the air up and did it that way.

>>15297557

>Still have no idea where the hint for how to really do it is

The tablet in the room above her says Takemikazuchi's Room lies beyond.

Another tablet elsewhere mentions The breath that Takemikazuchi left is ablaze. Though it will be swept away by proof of the time of creation.

>>15297572

Shit I remember that now. So many of these things that I saved before got tossed away when I started my end game puzzles because I didnt have any room left.

>>15297577

Notebooks, anon. Don't just play an archaeologist, be the archaeologist.

>>15297588

This. Texttrax and the map upgrades kind of help, but it's just best to write your observations and notes down to avoid backtracking.

>>15297588

>>15297598

Yeah yeah I know. I wanted to try and play within the limits of the game. For the most part I managed to do it, just lost a few small things here and there like this.

So uh, Echidna… any tips? The bullet hell attack is the only really annoying part but she takes so long even with maximized damage

>>15298089

What I did was just keep jumping up from under her and slapping her chin with the axe while trying to avoid the lasers. It took a while, but I finally got her.

>>15298259

>>15298089

>axe

Maxed whip worked just fine, no need for the axe's extra range.

You're right that you should just jump under her though, those platforms up there are pretty much useless.

As for the bullet hell, there's places where you're safe, plus you can block them with the shield. Gold shield is available in her area as well., oh, and note that when she charges the large bullets, they won't hurt you until she shoots them so you can get some extra whacks in.

>>15298259

>>15298310

Yeah I tried with both the axe and the flail whip, but they're about the same so I went with the whip for damage. It's just the damage she does, and her health, leads to me getting worn down. When I get her into second phase, she's just hitting green health, and I'm already half dead. I find myself getting hit a lot by the lasers while trying to dodge another attack. I did get her down to purple with a healing fairy once, so I might try that again.

>>15298447

>When I get her into second phase, she's just hitting green health

That's supposed to happen, the transition is health based.

Echidna is actually really easy.

Always stay on the left side, instead of the right. If you're on the left, she'll do the blue ball rapid fire and mix it up with slow-moving blue orbs. If you're on the right, she'll just constantly spam the rapid fire blue orbs. Her mini lasers always fire in a clockwise direction: top left, top right, bottom, and repeating. If you can memorize the pattern, you can use it to avoid taking damage from her other attacks.

In terms of damage, contact with her will fuck you. The blue orbs (both fast and slow) do the most damage of her projectiles. Her machine guns can be safespotted without moving, the position depending on which phase she's in. I recommend just observing where to stand the first time she uses it. The mini lasers only do 4 damage so not a big deal if you get hit by them.

The knockback is what fucks me the most, so I recommend axing her from below instead of using the platforms. You can collide with the big blue orbs while she's charging it, sometimes getting an extra hit or two in. They're only harmful while they're moving. Oh, and regarding her big laser, the mini laser guns will provide a tell for where it starts up. Just go to the opposite side of the screen in most cases.

>>15298447

By the way, you are using software combinations to get longer invulnerability and increase damage, right? Although you need the La Mulana 1 App to boost flail damage, and that one requires some late-game stuff to get, so maybe axe would be better if you haven't gone to the underworld yet.

>>15298501

No shit.

>>15298689

Thanks for the tips. I'll try and pay more attention to my positioning.

>>15298746

My setup is Death Village, Rose + Camellia, Lonely House Moving, La Mulana, and La Mulana 2. I'd say I'm pretty late-game, I've got nearly all the items and software, although I'm still missing a few mantras.

>>15298089

Use gun. Supposedly flares are good too.

>>15298940

Going for no subweapons, should have made that clear. Apparently you can stunlock her with flares once you enter the second phase.

>>15298766

Anyhow, I was doing better but kept dying halfway through the second phase and I was gonna come here and bitch but then I realized I had the wrong app combination on. So yeah switched that and got her first try. And… now I have an item. Should I know what to do with this by now? Probably something in the underworld.

>>15298968

What item do you get from her again?

>>15298968

As far as I'm aware that item only has one use ever and it's just a glorified key, kind of a shitty reward.

>>15298982

The giants flute.

>>15298968

>Should I know what to do with this by now?

It's pretty obvious what you can use it for, once you actually encounter that obvious thing. The only hint I'd give you would be yeah it's in the underworld, and it's easy to find if you have both la mulanas equipped

>>15298982

The flute.

>>15298990

Yeah I think I know what you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure I need to defeat Hraesvelgr first to get into that room. Time to farm flares I guess.

>>15299048

Hraesvelgr is a nasty fight. His fire rocks are hard to block, but he moves in a predictable pattern. I had the most luck by standing on the little ledge and just waiting to get 1-2 hits in. Not sure if Lamp works on him but it will help if it does.

>>15299048

Nah, you need to beat Vidofnir and talk to someone namely Hades to get into the room adjacent to where you use the item, and then you need to remember a tablet from a completely different area Shrine of the Frost Giants to figure out how to get into the actual room. I'd been trying to use that hint on various other similar shaped places for a long time, so you might figure it out right away.

>>15299136

Huh. Well I guess I've got to beat them both sooner or later. I do recall the tablet, though.

So does anyone know if there's a hell temple equivalent yet?

>>15300799

Do the thing at the throne

>>15300801

All the tablets say to "sit" besides holding down which doesn't seem to be working…;/

>>15300822

You have to use a mantra combo that I think is told to you in the same area.

>>15300831

AH okay, I'll get looking, thanks

>>15300832

Found it, the tablet was in divine fortress if anyone else has a problem with that part.

Are there supposed to be doors that lead to empty rooms with no NPCs in the the Dark Lord's Mausoleum?

Doors in Ra-Atum's room, heaven and earth room, both seemed to be missing NPCs.

>>15301691

they got eaten by aten ra

Just fought ratatoskr in frostfire treetop

Was this fight retarded for anyone else? There were trash mobs in the room and all he did was dash at the lowerplatform on the left over and over while spamming the same triple ring laz0rz move over and over, leaving his head in a position vulnerable for quick dagger kill. The previous fight in immortal battlefield was actually fun and challenging, so I was surprised by how shitty it was. Don't tell me it's some kind of bug?

>>15302164

>released a demo a few months ago

The demo came out in 2014, it's been known for a long time that the new one will be in Unity

>>15302164

Holy shit how trash must your machine be?

running on a 5 year old dinosaur it works fine

>>15302118

His AI is ridiculously easy to cheese every time you fight him

>>15303754

He just seemed to ram into one of the platforms continually during one of my fights with him, did the update fix his behavior at all?

>>15303830

No, he's supposed to charge into you if you're on the same height as he is. Ideally this would be from one platform to the other, over a gap, but like I said, it's easy to exploit this to lock him and take him out in seconds

>>15302164

How is it possible for a simple 2D game (we're not even talking about a bullet hell shooter here) to have such high system requirements?

Is there a 3D enemy or background at some point in the game?

>>15304016

I'm honestly convinced at this point that Unreal Engine 4 and Unity just have bitcoin miners built into them considering both engines constantly force my GPU usage to high or max load, even in the menus.

There's absolutely no reason why my GPU usage should be at a normal level in-game, then immediately shoot up to max load as soon as I pause the game. It's fucking ridiculous.

>>15304043

I'm not that far in, so I don't know about any enemies, but background elements occasionally use 3D.

>>15304060

>End of game where red mist background happens

>25% cpu load

>Pause game and look at items

>60% cpu load

>>15304043

Several objects on screen are rendered in 3D, like the rotating blocks under the three goddess statues in the Roots, or the rotating screw gates. There's also Surtr, who's rendered in 3D the first time you see him.

>>15304069

There's also literally every 2D object as well, since Unity handles every sprite as 4 vertices with 3D coordinates, even if it's an apparently flat projection.

>>15304541

What I want to do is play the game and get the 3rd whip, then the 2nd whip to see if it overwrites it. I have a strong feeling it will.

Is there some trick to Hraesvelgr? Dude's kinda rough to fight

>>15304694

See: >>15299069

He basically has two parts to his attack patterns, and I've found that staying on the ledge and jumping up after his horizontal green lasers gives you enough time to do 1-2 hits, depending on your timing and positioning. Avoid contact damage, since that kills you the fastest.

Note that the two phases are kinda visually separated by him either strafing right or left, and one of these attacks gives no time after his green lasers and is effective a fakeout. Be cautious.

>>15304694

Easy modo: get on the ledge to the right, throw chakrams to the left, and keep double jumping in time so they hit him. They do a ton of damage. Get extras from the Hall of Malice store behind the purple laser

Don't even have to think while you do it, really.

Holy hell look at the atomic asshurt in this thread about preventing Feather skip

http://archive.is/qJI2r

Also wow the Guardians are absolutely boring on easy mode

>Anu

>Shits out staggered blue shots on hard like XX_XX and sometimes 3-4 at a time so you have light bullet hell. He also recovers instantly from swooping so you have to have perfect placement and timing so you can hit him without BTFO contact damage

>On easy it's just the floor rollers, and he stays down for like 2 seconds

>>15305497

It was probably a case of the guardians being designed for hard mode first and then getting dumbed down for normal mode. That said I don't really see how they could make Surtr easier on normal mode, he's easy enough on hard.

>>15303830

>>15303754

>>15303873

It's fucked up. I consider it to be a bugged fight. The third fight was even easier than the first. There's no way it's meant to be that way.

>>15304694

I just grabbed a heal fairy and spammed flares.

So I defeated that one boss and charged up that one face-shaped item with dissonance. Any hints as to what to do next? Looking at the maps, I either need additional seals from somewhere, or the power glove to push around some blocks.

>>15307616

You should be able to get that item now. Look for a puzzle that looks like it requires it.

>>15307647

The closest thing I can see to that is that one room in Icefire Treetop with the instakill trap as soon as you enter it. I already tried using the charged item there, but to little effect.

>>15307656

There is a useful item in Icefire Treetop that you can get now, but it should be hard to miss. I'm not even sure where the trap you're talking about is. Anyhow, the item you're looking for isn't in this area. There are 5 paths from the Roots of Yggdrasil. You've should have found 2 of them, and 2 should be impassable right now, but have you found the 5th?

Also, you can use the charged item in the same area you found it. Check all the tablets in the area, and be sure to look at the pictures on them too.

How do you get back to the upper part of Doom after solving the puzzle? I forgot to scan the tablet, and none of the gates are leading to the doppleganger room anymore.

>>15307855

Do the unadorned gates still lead there? I thought that's how it got around a softlock

>>15307889

As far as I can recall, the only unadorned gate I saw was in that area. There's 2 or 3 in Gloom with Hraesvelgr's sigil, but they all seem to be stuck on red now.

>>15307912

There should be another unadorned gate at D-3 in Gloom, that's what my map says anyway.

Palenque mk.2 Was a pretty fun fight, dug the music too. I gotta dig around I think I need to use a mantra somewhere.

>>15307917

Oh wow, somehow I completely forgot about that one. Thanks!

>>15307934

…Okay so it looked closed, but I could walk through it, but it dumped back at the Divine Fortress. Welp I'll try the other ones but I might have to roll back that save.

>>15307938

And I tried one of the Hraesvelgr ones with red eyes, and it took me to the doppelganger room. Who fucking knows.

>>15307855

The gates only lead to that room when the eyes glow green. It's random when they do so you'll have to wait a bit, but no going between screens is required.

>>15307938

>>15307944

Well at least it's taken care of, clearly I'd forgotten how it works

>>15308096

Right, but after solving the Gates puzzle, the eyes are permanently locked to red, even though they still lead to the doppelganger room

>>15308101

By upper part, do you mean the corridor of blood entrance?

>>15308134

That's the lower part.

>>15308188

…you mean the part with a grail point before the boss?

>>15307967

What the fuck is that picture on the top left? A giant futa getting ready to use a loli as an onahole fairy?

>>15308318

You at least remembered to open the door from Heaven's Labyrinth so you have a way to leave and resupply, right?

>>15308318

>>15308345

I got there via the corridor of blood and never did heavens labyrinth so I never had that exit and still never had trouble. Get good.

>>15308191

That's the upper part.

So just to confirm, Griffin is bugged for everyone?

>>15308491

Yes, it's a known issue with 1.1.2. Downgrade your games version and it will actually flag as dead once killed.

>>15308541

Oh I see, so it doesn't die so people can't enter Malice "properly" which is why everyone's getting trapped in the activated version of it, since there is no normal exit because of the bug.

I actually posted that because I thought the puzzle to enable him was locked, I couldn't figure out how to push the dias at the bottom of the room so I just used the lamp of time to run over to the seal

>>15308587

I just booked it to the dias after moving the statue and managed to get under the moving stone before it crushed me. What got me upset playing on the base version of the game was the malice sub-bosses constantly bugging out. Spinx just jumped off screen while still alive once and the wolf get stuck mid-animation multiple times and I couldn't strike him, causing me to reset and having to try again.

>>15308587

I was able to get out by going through the corridor entrance and warping from there.

>>15309531

Yeah but you get what I'm saying, right? There's a bit of boss filtering so you can do whatever you want up until Viy, then ascend Tower of Goddess, then it opens up by a huge amount. There's even two meta puzzles you can't complete until the very end as part of the final shit.

Meanwhile in 2, all you have to do is kill Fenrir, maybe one or two other bosses in whatever order to get a few important items, go through each each, solve the weak meta puzzle (skulls/dissonance) and off you go

>>15309568

Well sure, I'm not arguing that 2 isn't more linear in its routing. Replaying 1 at the moment the distinguishing feature to me isn't just that each individual path of upgrades is more linear, it's how slowly the game opens up. You start LM1 and there are many viable routes, and once you get the Helmet, Hermes' Boots and the Bronze Mirror the ruins are blown wide open until the Tower of the Goddess bottleneck. By contrast it feels like in LM2 any time you get an upgrade it only grants you access to a few more areas or items, which in turn give you access to just a few more areas, all the way to the end. To me it's that gradual opening that gives it distinction.

Jesus did they buff Ammit? He took like 30 katana hits to kill

>>15310025

If you don't know what it means, you either need more mantras, second meanins, or both.

Anyone figure out an ideal route yet? At the very least, you need 12 skulls, 6 dissonance,and 9 guardians, and 10 mantras as the core objectives

>>15308230

from what I can make out: it's a relief depicting a birth. I think there's a real life relief that it's referenced to, as many other relic looking things are in the game.

>>15310025

You think you have the location but you probably don't. And if the blue words aren't obvious, you probably don't have what you need either.

Word of warning, 1.2.2.2 should be going live today, be sure to backup your save file if you're mid-playthrough

>>15310889

Somebody Username is Valkama on Twitch if you want to watch has already completed a under three-and-a-half hour speedrun of La-Mulana 2.

>>15312714

Thanks for the heads-up!

So I'm not sure what to do next. I beat Heimdall, and I chanted the mantra from the prophecy in front of the gate on the spiral boat, which seemed to do something. But I still can't go through the gate, and Fobos told me I need something from Lemeza. I checked his camp and he wasn't there, although there were some journal entries. Checked Heaven's Labyrinth, still haven't checked the other two locations you see him in Immortal Battlefield. Am I missing a hint here?

Also how do you get Xelpud to put on the wig/the orange boy to show up in Mulbruk's tent, anyone know?

>>15313222

Smallest hint possible: he's still in the Immortal Battlefield, keep looking.

Bigger hint: There's a group of people who see The End as meaning they'll gain control soon, where would they be?

Downright spoiler: remember how there's two gates that were opened by the dinosaur statue? And how the left one had a useless rope you could swing from?

>>15313222

>Also how do you get Xelpud to put on the wig

Smallest hint possible: Look around the Village of Departure (don't go into the ruins) and interact with as much as possible.

Bigger hint: Hmmm, if only there was a likeness of the crazy bastard.

Downright Spoiler: Go to right of the Village and climb until you reach Xulpud's statue. Whip it several times until a bunch of greenery falls on its head. You should receive a text message from our favorite elder and he should be wearing a goofy toupee now.

>the orange boy to show up in Mulbruk's tent, anyone know?

Don't you mean Nebur? Spoiler because the answer is very simple: Just keep visiting her from time to time. Don't stop and you'll get him

>>15313249

Thanks, I just wound up going back to the tent and figured it out from there. I guess I needed to leave and come back for the area to reset or something.

>>15313303

Thanks for the hints, and no I've done the second bit. I mean the Kabandha enemy, I've seen a screenshot where one is sitting in Mulbruk's tent with her.

>>15313345

>Thanks for the hints

You're welcome.

>I mean the Kabandha enemy, I've seen a screenshot where one is sitting in Mulbruk's tent with her.

This is first time I've heard anything about that, so I don't have clue what to do.

So if I saved during the escape sequence after the final boss can I go back at all to do things or is my save just fucked?

>>15314042

What would possess you to make a hard save there? You can access more of the ruins than you'd expect, but not everything, and most NPCs are gone by that point.

>>15314223

Yeah I was kinda tired at the time and wasn't really thinking. I kinda assumed that after clearing the file the game would put me at the surface or something.

>>15314508

and forgot to scan the tablet and telepoprted away

>>15314508

Should be able to get there if you get teleported to the Doppelganger's room and climb out

is there a quicker way to get gold than the Treasure Fairy in the room by the shop in Treetop? Getting 1000 is going to take forever at this rate.

>>15316524

If you leave that room by the lower entrance the pots will respawn when you climb back up the ladder, so you can get more mileage out of a fairy. I could consistently get 300+ there each round, so it might not take as long as you'd expect. I haven't found anything as broken as those blocks in Chamber of Extinction yet.

Any fun sequence breaks or shortcuts yet? The devs have been kinda cunty about updates

>Removed early Feather because muh unintended break

>Made Nemean Fur require Lamp to get, can't just grapple claw even though it's way more intuitive to do that way

>Doubled all the boss hp to make them "harder", which just makes Kujata and Anu and Echidna just frustrating on hard

>>15317001

anu is a joke regardless of his health, the damn cow and echidna that's fair point

>>15316530

I just warp back to the tablet each time. There's 2 pots in the upper room, then 9 in the lower; each drops 6 coins for about ~66 a run, not counting enemies. Using the knife you can attack while walking forwards. Usually I can get about 600 coins per fairy.

>>15314508

See >>15307944

It seems that after solving the puzzle, the bronze mirror stops working, so you just have to go through the gate randomly and hope for the best.

BTW is there any point to defeating the minibosses in Spiral Hell or can you just run past them?

>>15317365

Glossary entry for one. Other than that, no.

>>15318879

It's not just you, the whole thing really fizzles out after fighting Hel.

>>15317012

>On hard

Anu is annoying because he drops down for very little time. You're bound to get hit once or twice over a long time while waiting. You also have to be very precise or else you'd get contact damage. Keep in mind I also went through without subweapons (no shield either), so I'm looking at it from that way as well.

>>15281797

I killed griffon, get trapped in the room, warp out, go back to the room, and he respawns.

>>15322155

patch the game or downgrade

>>15322162

the room leading to griffon is now locked with the grey wall after raising the statue, so I can't even get in there to fight it. Is this supposed to happen? Also, the statue I pushed into place doesn't reset and there seems to be a place for a weight that I can't reach.

>>15322312

the room with the dias is pointless and after killing the griffin it should just give you the parfume and open up i hope you did a hard save

>>15322312

I thought there were two viable rooms rotations that lead to the gryphon?

>>15322312

My first playthrough I was able to push the dias, but I can't reach it anymore, either.

yeah seems like it was bugged I had to reload a save

>>15325927

100% the exact same thing happened to me

I beat it today. That was fun. The end of the game really did feel incomplete compared to the rest though.

>>15325955

>>15325927

Dude same

>>15325955

>>15325927

>>15325958

I'm glad it wasnt just me that thought that was absolutely bullshit. Even the people I've watched on youtube figure it out accidentally.

>>15325927

>>15325955

>>15325958

>>15327287

I don't remember an actual hint for it either, but it's the only time there's a statue blocked off by a wall just enough to make sure you can't hit it with your whip. It's pretty obvious something's gonna happen if you hit it.

It's the same as how the part of the screen below said statue has no visible use, but requires effort to get to. Of course there's going to be a breakable wall there. There are no useless places in Eg-Lana.

Looks like the shittiest Rick Dangerous ripoff I have ever seen. Plus Stronk woman equals trashcan.exe

>>15327633

But here's the thing. I found the hidden Moon mantra room long before I got the statue. I saw the eye of retribution so I didn't try using the Sun mantra in there. It said the MOON rises, so I thought I just needed to find the Moon Mantra, use it in that room, and the chest in the adjacent room would pop open

>>15330762

>the eye of retribution

In the Moon Altar room? I don't remember that, don't imagine why there would need to be one in there.

What's the name of the room with the Dinosaur Statue anyway? If it's something related to the statue that could have been more excusable

>>15330762

Pretty sure there's an NPC that tells you what to say in that room. I deleted that text entry after getting it though, so I can't check who.

>>15331923

>In the Moon Altar room? I don't remember that, don't imagine why there would need to be one in there.

Just checked, there is one.

>>15331923

>What's the name of the room with the Dinosaur Statue anyway

It's part of the two-room complex called "Moon Altar"

I know this because I put it on a map of room names. It actually helped me find the moon mantra