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because its the most consistent dark souls

>>15249518

>shit series

>everyone praises it like it's the second coming of Christ

why is that?

Because it's flashy and basic and easy to beat, so all the retards unable to put forth the effort needed to comprehend systems and how they interact can feel good about beating this super hard game guys.

>>15249523

Because it's easy to beat if you just keep at it but hyped up as the hardest game ever, so all the retards who suck at videogames get to brag about how they're a god gamer.

that's not 2

>>15249530

we could say that about pretty much any game.

>>15249522

consistently shit

>>15249537

no sweetie

>>15249530

But if you’re shit at video games to begin with Dark Souls is hard.

It’s like saying, I’m a good shot with a rifle, I can shoot a half dollar easily. But people who aren’t good shots think they are good just because they shot a half dollar.

>>15249518

>worst game in the series

That's not DS2.

>everyone praises it like it's the second coming of Christ

That's not DS.

How to fix the Souls franchise:

>no losing souls when dying

>manual saving and loading at the bonefire, only optional autosaving

>only optional new game+, allow the player to repeat the default new game indefinitely with their old arsenal

The "Dark Souls 3 is bad" meme needs to fucking die already. It's far better than 2, and roughly equal with 1.

>>15249667

>>15249653

The only good ones are DeS and DaS.

>>15249518

>>worst game in the series

Only a contrarian retard would put 2 above 3, but you're not wrong about 3 being bad

>>15249725

>8 directional movement

seriously? I have 2000 hours ingame and I never noticed that

>>15249518

The average Dark Souls "fan" completely misunderstood what made DS1 so exciting. Then again, so did FROM.

I wish they kept the power-stance mechanics from DS2, it doesn't sound too hard to implement and it was the best aspect from 2 they could've carried to 3.

Man I wish Bloodborne wasn't a PS4 exclusive

>worst game in the series

That's 2, but 3 is not too far behind. Either way, DeS and DaS were happy accidents and From Software was never good.

>worst game

>when 2 exists

Lmao

1>= Demons > 3 > 2

>>15249758

>Explain what makes adp bad but equip load totally fine.

>defending adp

Holy shit I hope for you're sake this is just bait, I can't even fathom how much of a retard you must be to not see the glaring flaws with adp.

And no I'm not going to debate you, retards like you are for mocking not talking to.

>>15249756

DS2 has the best PvP. That's about the only thing it got going for it.

>>15249770

DaS' level design is fucking shit for about half of the game.

>>15249581

i meant that most games that are regarded as difficult can be beaten if you just keep at it.

>>15249781

Everyone keeps saying DS1's second half is oh so fucking bad but there is basically no reason to explore shit like Izalith anyway.

>>15249781

Like?

>>15249779

I guess, but that's not saying much for a series with horrible pvp all throughout.

In DS2 there were a handful of viable weapon types. With just one or two buffs a rapier or long sword could do as much damage as an UGS but with twice the speed.

>>15249797

That's every game, ultras were never good outside DeS.

>>15249784

I don't know how much people pay attention, but you can see outside the world in Izalith when you go near Bed of Bullshit's fog gate. That's how fucking unfinished that area is. They didn't even bother to add some sort of wall to block your view. Copypasta'd enemies are the least of my worries when I can see an endless grey void on my way to a mandatory boss fight.

>everyone praises it like it's the second coming of christ

Who the fuck is doing that? Are you an expert in things that never happened?

>>15249797

In DS3 there is exactly one viable weapon type.

>>15249806

Granted, that IS a problem but mechanically you can skip almost all of it.

>>15249821

It feels forced almost because If you do want to skip that area, you have to join a covenant and grind for 30 humanity to open a door which also, coincidentally, is the only way to save Solaire.

>>15249801

I felt it was especially bad with DS2. Despite a huge variety of weapons, in all my time PVP'ing 85% of the people I fought used a rapier, curved sword or longsword, and in those categories you only ever saw 1 or 2 weapons. There were tons of other options but everyone wanted to be a min/maxing faggot.

>>15249827

>it limits build variety

Everything about 2 limits build variety. Soul Memory, the raw amount of levels you'll get by the time you go to the throne, shit tons of upgrade materials everywhere, it's all designed for you to be way fucking overleveled with fifteen different +10s

>>15249800

Lad, you didn't prove anything. You said 'there are flaws' and ran away because you know you can't actually explain why ADP's fine but END isn't.

>>15249827

>You can change equip load at any time in your playthrough.

Not your maximum, since that's tied with a stat.

>all people who are kind of experienced with the game will always get at least 20 ADP

Nope. It's 100% viable to beat the game with 3 ADP if you spend those points in equip load to get heavier armor and a bigger shield because defense actually matters. Hell, it's arguably easier since you don't need to worry about timing your dodges.

>>15249832

There's actually like 3 different ways to do it. You can cast toxic mist through the door, or just walk away from him when the white soapstone item box pops up onscreen and never speak with him again until you get to Lost Izalith and kill the bug.

>>15249651

>this bait

have a reply, friend.

>>15249725

well hey at least the pvp isn't absolutely shit like it is in the first game

>>15249653

How can you even have this opinion?

Dark Souls had at least some challenge to it but 3 is just a bore. I almost enjoyed DS2's bullshit more than Rolling Simulator 3. Dark Souls is far better in non-gameplay standards too

>>15249801

>he never went full giant dad

I pity you

I really fucking hated not having bonfire ascetics. If you want to re-fight a boss, you have to play the entire fucking game over again and NG+ does little in the way of encouraging build variety. Also, is it just me, or are 90% of the items you pick up garbage? It feels like most of the items you pick up are either meh weapons, titanite shards, a variety of the mosses, or dung pie

>>15249878

There's no such thing as good pvp in a souls game

>>15249896

Bonfire ascetics were one of the few things DS2 did right. You're right about the items, DS2 especially was full of useless crap. I never used small colored burrs, the various troches or balms.

>>15249896

The real problem with DaSIII is the level design. The level design places a bottleneck on your progress, so it's simply not possible to go for a unique build from the start. Instead, you're pigeonholed into using basic gear from the outset. Now, this varies, depending on your intentions, but you may find yourself halfway through the game before you get the item you wanted to use, which defeats the purpose of making a build in the first place, unless you're doing so for the express purpose of pvp but who cares about that shit Basically it's only good for a single playthrough

>>15249900

Never said it was good, I just said it wasn't as shit as DaSI. I mean the actual moment to moment gameplay, not the underlying systems like matchmaking

>>15249852

>Not your maximum

Don't act misleading like that, you know I meant your rolling i-frames.

>It's 100% viable to beat the game with 3 ADP

It's viable but certainly not nearly as useful as putting points into ADP. Not using points into ADP cripples you because of the durability it gives you unless you've got a good shield like Gyrm's, and even then you have to use points in END which isn't nearly as valuable in DS2 as it is DS1.

>>15249896

I'm pretty bummed DS2 didn't have bonfire ascetics, getting to fight the same boss twice and advancing to NG+ in a single area was a great idea that I don't know why they didn't carry to the next game.

>>15249926

Every time you reply to him seriously you legitimize him and allow him to continue with his bait. Smarten up and stop taking the bait already.

>b-but maybe he's serious

If he's serious then you should laugh at him.

>>15249843

wew that screen is so tiny its pracitly a tablet.

>>15249919

Still better level design then DkSII. And each level in and of themselves are rather well designed. But I do agree that the lack of interconected options are bottlenecked progress. It seems to me they where trying to compromose with the crirtics to streamline the game.

>Basically it's only good for a single playthrough

Single playthrough of each general weapon class (which is still more then once).

>>15249957

>furshit

kill yourself you shit eating niggerdick sucking whore

>>15249758

>yo protip don't rush ahead like a retard and you don't get spamrushed, you can draw out every enemy one or two at a time

If we're talking about DS2, I've actually noticed something about this. This strategy used to work in places like Shrine of Amana with all of those archduke mages, but somewhere after NG++++, the gang of mages after the little cottage in the beginning of the level will chain aggro no matter what you do. The gang of black phantoms just before that undead horse boss do the same thing. So, this doesn't always work when you really need it to.

The best one was Demon's Souls

>>15249896

Much like what little else 2 did right, it had no use within it. No one would ever want to replay its bosses.

>>15249926

>Don't act misleading like that,

I'm not being misleading, I was specifically talking about maximum load because that is the only part that is tied to a stat. And, yes, you can unequip armor to lower your current load, but if you're trying to use a heavy weapon, the lowered movespeed is somewhere between obnoxious and crippling. It's an awful system.

>It's viable but certainly not nearly as useful as putting points into ADP.

The only real downside a build that trades agility for equip load has is the estus drink speed. Seriously, start bandit and try a fatrolling Havel cosplay with 0 points to ADP. You'll completely crush the game until the DLC. You will be able to trade and win with every boss, enemy, and invader until Velstadt.

>>15249969

In many ways this is true.

>>15249855

Easiest way to let someone know you have nothing to contribute.

>>15249983

DeS has the best

>story

>NPCs

>areas

>ranged is as viable as melee or magic builds

>armor sets that change style depending of your gender

It's pretty God damn great. One valid criticism you could levy against it is that there aren't enough armor sets or weapons, and of course the 6th world being cut.

If you don't like the Valley of Defilement you're a HUGE faggot

>>15250110

I was contributing by laughing at the retard and keeping him in his place. You also seem pretty retarded, want to get laughed at?

>>15250119

They aren't even RPGs. They're action games with RPG elements. i agree with you on Nioh though

Nothing wrong with disliking souls games

But posting online rage hate is useally stemmed from

>how dare it not have 15 hours of voice overs

>how dare it not be turn based

Hating it for being a medieval fantasy game is just dumb.

>>15249684

The first image is wrong though, what about Shrine of Amana? What about the Shaded woods of invisible enemies? What about the NPC invaders with infinite poise, stamina and 5000 hp? What about the Frigid Outskirts and the boss there? How about the Ancient Dragon with his ability to one shot the player?

When DS2 gets bad, it dips below anything DS1 did. At least it was easy to cheese the terrible areas of DS1.

>>15250403

>boomers

Please stop using cuckchan memes.

Because Dark Souls fan are literal cancer

>>15250119

They have to fix a few things in Nioh 2. More enemy variety, better level design and far less grinding. The latter is the most important, as Nioh is a game that is too big for its own good. All the greatness overstays its welcome.

But you are right, Nioh is a far better ARPG than Dark Souls. Miyahacki just ripped off Berserk and anything else he could for art and lore, combat mostly from Severance. The only thing he did right was the online/invasion component, which was completely fucked up in later updates and games. Shadows Die Twice will be interesting, as it is meant to be a full on proper action game like Bayonetta, DMC, MGR etc. I'll piss myself laughing if the combat is just the same Souls stuff with flashier animations.

It's an order of magnitude better than 2

3 is so much better than the absolute dogturd that was Dark Souls 2, that it's not even funny. It's not a GREAT game, but I'd say it's pretty good, and no section ever sinks to the absolute depths of awfulness that several sections in 2 did.

Also, is the love for Severance purely contrarianism, or is it actually good?

So what's wrong with 2?

>>15250989

Plenty of thing such as:

>ADP

>Limited enemy respawns

>Soul Memory

>Strick deadzones preventing smooth turning

>badly interconnected world (no-man's wharf being below sea level when going there from Heide for example)

And many more

>>15251007

NO RED EYE ORB

The Bell Tower PvP is fun doe.

>>15251007

Don't forget

>legendarily bad hitboxes, especially for grabs

>the worst areas in the series, which are thankfully optional

>the worst enemies in the series, like the invincible poison turtle or the many many

Forlorn

>the worst boss design

>spambushes everywhere

>>15250989

>bonfires where the respawning enemies will shoot arrows at you while you're sitting down

>enemies with combos that pretty much never reset

>grab hitboxes

>hitboxes in general, really

>ADP fucking with i-frames on rolls, forcing you to either turtle or dump frames into a stat which really just raises the level cap for PVP

>no red eye orb for pvp

>half the bosses are men with big swords (also a problem in 3 tbf)

>re-hashes ideas from the previous games but worse (poison area, castle area etc.)

>ANCIENT DRAGON BOSS FIGHT

>Majula acting as a central point ala Firelink Shrine, but none of the paths loop around on each other and are all dead-ends, so the level design and teleporting system is a confusing mixture between Demon's and Dark

>world doesn't make physical sense as areas overlap on one another (3 also does this but to a lesser extent, as zones are generally approximated to where they should roughly be)

>everything in the original release looks like it's covered in a layer of plastic

>>15251007

Probably just a personal thing, but I like the strangeness of the worlds layout, though I think interconnectedness in regards to it being a game world is pretty poor too.

>>15251023

Having "impossible" geometry would be fine in a game like DS (Muh time and space flowing differently) but its obvious the devs never intended for any of those nonsensical connections.

>>15251023

Of course, the best feature of Dark Souls 2 is it's secret sky castles. :^)

>>15251055

>I can't help but feel like they should've either went back to the Demon's Souls structure for levels

Having altars/rooms whatever that teleport you would've improved the feel of the world so much.

>>15251017

Or how about the ice rats? Literally the most annoying enemy in the entire souls series. These fuckers do more damage than bonewheel skeletons, and track better than them too. They have a permanent damage hitbox even when not rolling and they inflict bleed just to fuck with you. And they're placed in the worst places in the game; places filled with invaders, a long tunnel, a room full of soul sucking golems and near a cliff.

>>15249653

lol no poise

>>15251100

B-but hyperarmor is poise! :(

t. disingenuous faggots

>>15251109

2/10 made me reply

>>15249926

>It's viable but certainly not nearly as useful as putting points into ADP.

Just like you can beat DS1 without a single point in END and just rolling around naked?

ADP is moderately less shitty than equip load, but having iframes at all on rolls is flawed design and neither choice can fix that.

Why block or use heavy armor when you can just phase through attacks, and use less stamina too?

>>15251122

how is it bait, retard? poise is for noobs and always has been. at least in ds3 you have to time your attacks right to make use of poise instead of just spamming like a monkey

>>15251132

Yeah I get it timing is hard, you'd rather have stats game where digits decide the winner, not skill.

>>15251136

People like you are the reason DS has gone to shit.

>>15251132

what exactly is your argument? nothing i've said is wrong. on top of that ulta weapons can stun lock so you don't need to rely on poise. poise in ds3 is a tool you can use, but it's not necessary if you're not a monkey

>>15251147

>estoc

>2018

>>15249880

How can you have this opinion? DS3 is far harder overall than 1. The bosses especially are way more of a challenge than everything in 1 except maybe Artorias. 3 sill has some very easy fights but almost all of 1's bosses are a joke. And roll spam is a common gameplay element in 1.

>>15250121

The world/character tendency could have been executed better. I like the idea but it was a bit of a pain to manipulate. The fall damage was also not that great. The difference between taking 5 damage and dying at full health was like 5cm. It's overall extremely solid though.

>>15251109

>No poise is why casuals hate DS3

Casuals hate being shoehorned into a single viable playstyle? Really?

>>15251128

>at least in ds3 you have to time your attacks right

There is no right timing when the enemies can flail around without having to worry about stamina and have poise to keep going after you hit them.

The entirety of DS3 is as fun as the giant guards at the end of DS2 before patch.

>>15251136

Dark Souls was never about MUH DIFFICULTY and skill. Its a very bare bones series in terms of combat and mechanics. Poise added to build variety, where you could be a heavy tank as well as doing light equip runs to spam rolls. All DSIII offers is roll spamming which is significantly more dull as its the only build catered to.

>>15251161

>And roll spam is a common gameplay element in 1.

Sure, but you could do mostly without thanks to other passable defensive options and parries.

Roll spam was an OP strat, not what the game was built and balanced around.

DS3 is entirely balanced around light weapons and roll spam, with the other (already underperforming) options further nerfed into irrelevance.

DS2 is worse but DS3 isn't far behind. It's just a shit version of bloodborne.

>>15249983

fucking bad game

so fucking shitty I hate it

Dark Souls was never good.

>>15251709

this guy is correct