a6e42f No.15231746
It's been quite a while since I went through the campaign, but from what I recall:
>Illidan imprisoned a gorillion years ago for fucking up a nice well (and casually murdering a bunch of his own nameless soldiers but who cares lamo)
>Tyrande murders a bunch of innocent night elf jailers to free his ass from a lawful life sentence
>Illidan immediately murders/corrupts a path through the local wildlife and subhumans til he reaches a night elf village, then genocides every last villager with his fish friends because he wants to use one of their boats
>Maiev, warden of the prison, is mad and wants his ass back in prison or dead
>Malfurion, his brother, also wants him back in jail because he doesn't trust his demon magic addiction (and uh also those murders I guess lamo)
then some largely irrelevant shit happens and it turns out
>Tyrande is a Good Guy™ for seeing that Illidan dindu nuffin and he prolly in it for the greater good or some shiet
>Illidan is a bad boy antihero who really dindu nuffin for the greater good and all that nuthin personneling of every harmless local he runs across was necessary or something
>Malfurion is a curmudgeon and in the wrong for doubting the dindu
>Maiev is the real villain for holding a grudge about all those murders and fucking up of nice things
Ignoring how they made Illidan the ultimate good guy hero or whatever in recent WoW expansions because lol WoW.
ca5da3 No.15231751
It was last RTS with good story aside of dawn of war.
214976 No.15231764
>>15231746 (OP)
Not just Illidan, most other major players are retarded as well :
Mannoroth
>the Legion's field general
>the leader of the physically strongest race in the Legion
<dies to two Orcs
Balnazzar, Tichondrius & Detheroc
>cornered Arthas
<didn't gank him
Sylvanas
>cornered Arthas
<didn't kill him
>>15231751
>It was last RTS with good story aside of dawn of war.
I'd put Starcraft in there too, but not Broodwar because the story is way more retarded than WCIII.
a6e42f No.15231770
>>15231751
I wouldn't call it a 'good' story as in good writing, for my reasons as well as >>15231764 and plenty of other dumb shit.
It was certainly the last RTS that put a lot of effort and entertainment value into its story, though. At the very least it's memorable.
dd39cf No.15231788
>>15231764
I'm pretty sure the point of Mannoroth getting ganked was to show off how "great" those two orcs were. Meaning that his entire role in the story was to be a jobber. Jobbing in games is fucking retarded, especially in RPGs or RTS. You have stats, actual combat data, and details like that to tell the player how powerful a character is.
Broodwar managed to pretend to keep the war story feel, so a lot more people miss how fucked a lot of the writing is.
ac1f42 No.15231850
>>15231746
>Is Warcraft 3 as retarded as I remember?
No, you're an idiot who doesn't understand a greater narrative.
The 'nice well' had a massive amount of magic and the elves addicted to the magic were being manipulated by the burning legion. Illidan was among these elves. When the 'nice well' was destroyed, it turned into the fucking maelstrom, a giant storm that continues to rage hundreds if not thousands of years later in continuity. Illidan didn't 'immediately' murder/corrupt a path; he was tempted to it by Arthas. Narratively they are two very similar characters, making a lame cutscenes into one of the more significant scenes in the game.
Arthas sought power to overcome a greater evil and succumbed to it, becoming a villain himself. Illidan, in contrast, did not, having genuinely turned into a better person during his time in jail. He took power from the Skull of Gul'Dan so that he could defeat Tichondrius who was otherwise fucking everything up. Furion could not see this change and even Tyrande thinks hes a monster.
Every single one of Illidan's actions (in game) is based on the justification of trying to take down a greater evil, and in the process becoming more like them, but instead of giving up and going full dark side, he presses on an exiled, unloved anti-hero.
It culminates with a revisit of Arthas and Illidan fighting to prove their power, and Arthas proves once and for all that you can only win if you are willing to go to the darkest depths and seize ultimate power, dealing a fatal blow to Illidan or so I assumed when I saw the cutscene, as it was a much better logical conclusion to the story and a fitting death for a man who put saving people ahead of his own redemption and ahead of being forgiven by the people who mattered most to him.
The entire theme of Warcraft 3 is not
>lol corruption
It is corruption and redemption.
>>15231788
The reason Mannoroth isn't fought in game is because at that point in the story, the narrative isn't about fighting a big evil monster, it is about being tempted by power and fighting against that temptation, represented much more literally as Thrall's redeemed orcs vs Grom's corrupted orcs.
The game does not tell you that Illidan was in the right, it leaves it ambiguous based off of his history, his encounter and temptation with Arthas, and what he achieved. But if you take a step back and examine how the narrative flows as a whole over the four campaigns, the subtler narrative emerges. You just didn't realize it as a teenager because you were so caught up in the betrayals and battles and the struggle between good and evil.
At the end of the day, this well-written narrative fell off in favour of world building in Frozen Throne, but even that could have been used to set up for a fantastic Warcraft 4. But as WoW rolled around and corruption memes started popping up it was clear we were never going to see such a great story return.
But as a final point to convince you of everything I've said, maybe you remember it a little different, but here's how Illidan was really sent off.
6085a9 No.15231868
its interesting how much good writing can make elevate otherwise medicore experience above its contemporaries
214976 No.15232014
>>15231788
>I'm pretty sure the point of Mannoroth getting ganked was to show off how "great" those two orcs were.
They could've made it more believable by making Mannoroth a glass cannon instead of the tank of all motherfucking tanks in the Legion.
365ee9 No.15232068
What I don't get I what is the plot relevance of Arthus and the Lich King merging. I mean what next? The justification that was given was just to put a leash on the undead but we were never told what was the next course of action.
>>15231788
The plot basically forgot it was suppose to be grounded and became an anime that scene.
2f5dd9 No.15232100
>>15232068
Well, remember that this was at the very end of the story. It could've very well been the setup to their merged form being a greater villain.
Instead he sits on his ass for years and his master plan is sacrificing his entire fuckhuge army of the dead and super powerful generals so he can replace them with… 10 dudes.
ac1f42 No.15232121
>>15232100
WoW should basically be rendered non-canon.
f8b6e2 No.15232161
>>15232121
I'm just hoping Warcraft 4 comes out so WoW can die and Blizzard can make a real game again.
2f5dd9 No.15232163
>>15232121
But anon, don't you like the happy fat panda people who declare war on themselves by joining both sides of an on-and-off conflict that has nothing to do with them? That's good writing, right? And then they can go sit down and play trading cards with eachother.
ac1f42 No.15232186
>>15232161
After Starcraft 2? I'm really not keen on Warcraft 4.
2f5dd9 No.15232190
>>15232161
>He thinks Blizzard is capable of making real games anymore.
f92dce No.15232297
>>15232161
As soon as WoW dies they will make World of Starcraft.
365ee9 No.15232301
>>15232161
Jaina will enter a relationship with thrall.
Arthus' undead will be given a sob story or how the lich kind hated hurting people whiles under the legion.
Dark elves will turn from a warrior matriarchal society to strong wymyn he need to han man.
The holy christian aesthetic of humans will either be replaced by Islamic/arabic visuals or a splinter faction of said Muslim will totally be in the right.
Orc campaign will be about a strong sheboon female orc claiming the ranks.
>inb4 this is actually how it is in WoW
e5438d No.15232305
>anon thinks he knows good writing
>anon thinks good writing exists
a7a007 No.15232327
I wouldn't overthink a plot so half-assed that they even had to retrofit sylvanas back into the expansion. It's just a silly game with different factions and whether someone is "good" or "evil" depends more on the current POV than on morality and logic. It's not a book, it's a competitive online RTS with a surprisingly nice campaign that is good for introducing you to the game. Of course it's a bit retarded but what's more retarded is to expect it to be more than what it is.
dfe1bf No.15232330
>>15232301
>Jaina will enter a relationship with thrall
i thought she went full "gas the horde" after theramore got nuked
even blizzjew can't think this would be a logical step forward
365ee9 No.15232333
6a16e8 No.15232347
reminder that Lich King was actually just ancient aliens and hallucinogenic gas or some shit
365ee9 No.15232349
>>15232347
You should stop watching triggershit.
9d14df No.15232373
>>15231746
10k years before the events of Warcraft there were two types of elves: highborne who used arcane magic sourced from The Well of Eternity and night elves who used nature magic sourced from the Emerald Dream. Aszhara was a cunty queen who wanted to increase her own power and did so by drawing more and more power from the Well. As she did, Sargeras took notice and made a deal with her to give her and her faction knowledge of fel magic in exchange for letting the burning rapefugees into Azeroth. Aszharas faction then created a Dark Portal using the Well, causing the first Burning Legion invasion.
The mortal factions of Azeroth all banded together to fight the demons and this is where Illidan comes in. Illidan was born with an abnormally greater ability to use arcane magic, and his older brother Malfurion nature magic. When the BL invaded, the night elves immediately began to abhor arcane magic and Malfurion banned his brother from using it. The problem however is that when elves are cut from their source of magic they begin to act odd. In the case of highborne, they become like heroin addicts. The brothers and Tyrande went on a quest to find the nature demigod of Azeroth and ask for his help. Illidan managed to last through to the completion of the quest, but couldnt take it much longer. He went to Suramar and told Aszhara of their plans, and joined the burning legion. Malfurion and co. then went on the offensive to stop them from summoning Sargeras, but it was a trap thanks to Illidan. During the ensuing battle, Illidan stole water from the Well and left. Malfurion managed to win anyways by blowing up the Well, destroying most of Kalimdor and killing all of his allies in the process. The Kalimdor we see in WoW is supposedly only 20% of whats left, and the spot where the Well was is called the Maelstorm now.
Night elves banned all use of arcane magic after the wae, but the highborn still remained and were doomed to die of their addiction. Illidan created a second Well at the base of the World Tree, that has some important role in preserving the Emerald Dream I cant remember, in order to save the highborn. The Tree hid the Well from the BL, and overall it was a great solution but Malfurion and Tyrande, the new leaders of the NE, chimped out and sentenced him to 10k years prison for his betrayal. The Night Elves never share the Second Well with the highborn, now Blood Elves. This causes Kael to fall into Sargeras' plans and create the Sunwell from which he is almost summoned again.
TL;DR Illidan was right all along, and Malfurion is a war criminal who rewrote history to favor him and is at fault for fucking the world further down the line. Elves are the source of 100% of Azeroth's problems.
9f15bd No.15232396
>>15231746
They stopped giving a shit of a story by the time of Burning Crusade, was Illidan planning all of this shit with coherency or did he go insane? it's just a gigantic clusterfuck because Blizztard never planned ahead other than getting that sweet subscription numbers.
>>15231751
Which ones? because even the fluff gets retarded in the game with Gabriel and the Blood Ravens talking to the damn Emperor face to face, and Gabriel who still has a family, but that's the fluff being reworked back then, but I can never forgive that asshole Goto.
635713 No.15232404
He doesnt corrupt his path and murders innocents right away, first he gets told by Arthas that Tychondrius is nearby and he should steal the skull of Gul'dan so the Legion cant corrupt the forests anymore, when he reaches the skull he decides to consume its power in order to become stronger than any Legion commander and proceeds to kill Tychondrius with his new power. Then Furion and Tyrande appear and banish him for doing the exact same crime he did before.
Then he goes off to kill some innocents with his fish friends.
In TFT he wasnt a bad boy antihero, he was an evil guy working for the Legion trying to kill the Lich King for betraying them. One evil trying to kill another evil.
The two last campaigns were pretty much a battle between evil factions trying to gain supremacy.
The badboy antihero who dindunufin didnt come until WoW Legion expansion, when they decided to make him the supreme edgelord.
e80e29 No.15232415
>>15232396
>Which ones? because even the fluff gets retarded in the game with Gabriel and the Blood Ravens talking to the damn Emperor face to face
This is 120th year of my service to the Emperor and what is this?
>and Gabriel who still has a family
Had a brother, who was the governor of the chaosed planet and thus presumably had the life extension treatment.
a6e42f No.15232458
>>15231788
Speaking of that, was there some special property of Hellscream's axe that made Mannoroth fucking explode from a shallow cut to his torso? Like that should have broken some ribs and maybe gashed an organ or two but that fucker was dense with demonic constitution and magic up the ass.
9f15bd No.15232516
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15232415
>This is 120th year of my service to the Emperor and what is this?
Vid related, people were confused at this and several scenes of Gabby and the Bloody Magpies giving praise, prayers, and exaltations to the Emphrah because most Speesh Mahreens don't worship him as a God and he doesn't answer or talk back, doesn't help that Goto goes full retard in the novelizations he did, completely fucks everything up to a laughable state.
>Had a brother, who was the governor of the chaosed planet and thus presumably had the life extension treatment.
Huh? they never went beyond the description of "Family" until that Black Library short story about the Cyrene Exterminatusm he only has a Father left, Esmond Angelos who is about 2-3 centuries old. Till Gabriel put a bolt shell to his head. Where did you get this Governor Brother?
ba6b3a No.15232595
>>15232373
>Illidan was right all along
>Elves are the source of 100% of Azeroth's problems.
elf haters are so stupid they don't even bother saying coherent statements
wouldn't be surprised if this poster is an assmad "burning rapefugee"
5e73ae No.15232604
>>15231850
This nigga gets it
2c496d No.15232703
>>15232516
You can see Gabriel Angelos in front of a group of marines in that very video. "Giving the Emperor praise" is likely just a rite of ceremony performed after the victory; the Librarians response means "your news is unimportant and can wait until after the ceremony". This is not Gabriel speaking face-to-face with the Emperor in any shape or form, and whilst it is possible to interpret it as 'worship' or prayer service - it is not necessary to do so, although even if it was it would not be entirely without precedent for the Astartes. My knowledge gets a little bit limited here but I'm fairly sure that the Blood Ravens are one of the more recently created factions, and their views upon the Emperor and the Imperial Creed are therefore significantly different to that of the Founding Legions (obviously there are quite a few chapters who follow the rites and traditions of their founding Legions, but an awful lot of them do not - and considering that the Blood Ravens are not even sure who their geneseed comes from; it stands to reason that they would not know the 'real history').
Now with all of that said, it is very fair to criticise the idea of a chapter that does not know where its geneseed comes from and it is very fair to criticise the implied backstory of them being from the Thousand Sons and Magnus the Red. That is all pretty retarded and lore-defying … although we now have canon 'Primaris Marines' serving in the Dark Angels so, I guess, all things considered … Gabriel and his Blood Ravens would fit in perfectly into the 'new' universe.
>>15232595
Illidan being right about how to fix a problem for the Elves in no way detracts from the fact that all of Azeroth's problems were CAUSED by Elves. People hate Elves because they are presented retardedly; they do all this terrible stuff and rarely if ever help anyone else (and if they do only because of the fact that it would later be a threat to them), and yet they then claim all the glory and everyone treats them as if they are perfect and have done no wrong. They pretty much did the same thing with Thrall's character. He does all sorts of very questionable and violent stuff and is hailed as a hero; and when another does like he does, they are seen as nothing but a terrible villain. There are times when I actually think it MIGHT be good writing, and that the actually 'good' characters are constantly hated upon due to the Goblins in the media; but then they legitimise the idiocy with some divine/infernal creature coming out of nowhere and being all 'YUP IT IS JUST LIKE DA GIDS SAID'.
Garrosh's writing particularly annoys me.
816324 No.15232726
>>15232301
>Jaina will enter a relationship with thrall.
Was possible and almost hinted at until >>15232330
>Arthus' undead will be given a sob story or how the lich kind hated hurting people whiles under the legion.
That was the entire reasoning behind the Forsaken as a playable race and, to a point, the Death Knights and "liberated" Scourge.
>Dark elves will turn from a warrior matriarchal society to strong wymyn he need to han man.
It's actually gone from strong wymyn to a heavier half-assed injun clusterfuck.
>The holy christian aesthetic of humans will either be replaced by Islamic/arabic visuals or a splinter faction of said Muslim will totally be in the right.
Holy Christian aesthetic kinda died after the Draenei "gods" were introduced, and was curbstomped after it was revealed those "gods" turned out to BE The Light and driving force behind Turalyon. Illidan defied them and killed them, which broke Turalyon's brainwashing(?), removing the glowing over his eyes and having him face the realization that most of what he did was out of blind devotion(?). I didn't follow this closely enough, shit's dumb.
>Orc campaign will be about a strong sheboon female orc claiming the ranks.
Doubtful at this point, since the leader of the Horde is currently Sylvanas.
>>15232595
>trying to deny it
around elves
watch yourselves
9d14df No.15232746
>>15232595
The statement is coherent. Illidan was right in the decisions he made for his people, as opposed to what his people thought of him. Maybe you should practice your reading comprehension knife ear
e79648 No.15232749
>>15232516
The reason why the bloody magpies praise the emperor is because they dont know who their primarch is (protip, it was magnus the red).
acbda3 No.15232829
>>15232516
>brother
father, my bad, I mixed it up a bit. His father was one of the leaders of the rebellion.
>>15232703
You must also remember that Relic was never good at lore.
And better excuse for Blood Ravens being Thousand Sons is autismhammer 30k and Horus Heresy anyway.
f793ee No.15232982
>>15232703
>all of Azeroth's problems were CAUSED by Elves
>not by the evil god living inside the planet who had a plan before the elves even existed
9f15bd No.15233012
>>15232703
>>15232749
They ain't Thousand Sons loyalists anymore, GeeDubs and thanks to a certain fanboy who went into a Goge Vandire insane spiral into the fluff, they cut the Arvida Revuel/Blood Ravens connection. Laurie Goulding https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Laurie_Goulding
5e73ae No.15233108
>>15232703
Don't the Black Templars worship the emperor like a god?
Sure, most chapters don't see the emperor as such, but a few do
365ee9 No.15233144
>>15232726
I still don't comprehend how those factions formed. WC3 had a nice faction diversity with the races and their aesthetic and rule making sense. But how the fuck did anyone ally themselves with undead. Its like in ESO where fucking argonians, dumbmer and nord of all the fucking races join an alliance of all the fucking races that hate each other's guts they chose the one that not simply have racial tension but would be killing themselves on the streets.
82f32e No.15233161
I noticed that people hold Warcraft 3 in high esteem. Personally I disliked it.
The art style is crap and the writing is cartoonish. The voice acting is terrible. Good FMVs though.
283fa5 No.15233166
>>15233144
Forsaken are for the horde as a bit of a stretch and their shaky allegiances have always been their shtick culminating in the wrathgate betrayal and then being silenced with turning Sylvanas into the warchief. The former scourge and deathknights aren't allied with the Alliance or the Horde but with both simultaneously. Right now they're also the acting arm of the nu-lich king who doesn't do anything but sit on a really cold chair to try and soothe his burns so same as the previous Lich King. Time will tell if this status quo changes, but the fuckery the've done to the lore already means anything that changes will invariably be for the worse.
82f32e No.15233182
>>15231770
"It was certainly the last RTS that put a lot of effort and entertainment value into its story"
I think that distiction goes to C&C 3.
a864f5 No.15233184
>>15233161
My thoughts exactly.
Warcraft II is the best Warcraft game.
82f32e No.15233201
>>15233184
True, but I played Warcraft 2 when I was 11 or something so that could be nostalgia. I'm afraid to replay it.
365ee9 No.15233241
>>15233161
I see where you come from with the style even though I don't mind it. Does cartoonish mean simple? And how is the voice acting bad?
6c63a1 No.15233259
>>15232595
>Elfs were junkies
>Elfs let the rapefugess in
>Elfs are jewed out their allies
>Elfs speard feminism
It's too poetic!
355511 No.15233342
>>15233166
I hope Lich King Fordragon and his second in command Death Lord Garithos will purge the lands of Azeroth of non-humans soon.
635713 No.15233763
>>15233166
There is always hope for a massive retcon and set the world like it was at the start of WoW without the weird alliances (no horde forsaken no alliance night elfs).
f9fe75 No.15233872
>>15232014
Narrative trumps power levels, anon. If the story requires it, a homeless man will kill God with an improvised shiv and a heartfelt speech about the tenacity of Man.
b01cc8 No.15234143
>>15232703
>all of Azeroth's problems were CAUSED by Elves
Come again?
Lich king, the horde, burning legion, caused by elves?
Then agan, after warcraft 2, they hired shit writers and the story went bonkers and I didn't really follow it.
730387 No.15234597
>>15232161
Yeah, but if it is made it will be made by people who built WoW.
be careful what you wish for.
730387 No.15234666
>>15231850
It's a nice analysis but it ignores the discrepancies exposed in the OP and trades them in for the fantasy that it was a deep story.
I mean what is good and what is bad/evil wasn't that hard.
>Whispering demonic weapon that tells you to kill your friend: bad
>Orcs shrugging off their demonic corruption: good
The story relies more on subversion of tropes than on actually good or deep writing.
>You thought orcs were evil? No, they were only being misled by demons now!
>You thought elves were good and noble? No they're magic addicts now!
>You thought paladins were good? Not when they fall!
>You thought humans were good like in warcraft 2? No, now they're racist assholes. (Except Uther and jaina.)
I mean I enjoyed warcraft 3, but the only character who you couldn't be sure of what he would do was illidan and the nagas, but the nagas had no competing personalities so they were basicly a monolith anyways, leaving only illidan.
And when it gets down to it, illidan is just an edgy "Nobody understands me!" emofag.
Arthas would be an interesting story, if it wasn't just a repeat of the kerrigan story in starcraft.
>Powerful entity manages to entice one of the good guys into doing his bidding.
>Good guy betrays all his allies, kills former friends
>Former good guy kills powerful entity and subsumes power.
If you have a warcraft 4, they'll retcon the story and it was always Ner'zul's plan because he was mentally chained by a dark prophecy figure (probably archimonde).
I mean the ending of the frozen throne is even the same ending as brood war.
ac1f42 No.15234768
>>15234666
Nice meme spacing satan, but humans weren't racist until Frozen Throne, and then it was only Garithos and Proudmoore, the latter of which was justified because there were recently chaos orcs and the burning legion.
Night elves are quite clearly not magic junkies, just high elves and blood elves, and even then they're still relatively presented as good and noble.
The only paladin to fall is Arthas and it was more about Arthas falling than a Paladin falling, plenty of other Paladins stayed good people.
Illidan as not an edgy 'nobody understands me!' emofag, did you even look at the images I posted? He accepts the fate he is delivered with almost no objection.
Also, your assessment of Kerrigan and Arthas is pretty fucking broad strokes and inaccurate. You need to go back and play the game again and stop memeing.
730387 No.15234903
>>15234768
You'r right about Illidan, but the rest of the points still stand.
Even the shape of warcraft 3 and starcraft duologies are the same.
Starcraft vanilla:
>Starts with terran
>One of the good guys is brought the evil side (kerrigan)
>Final mission, the different good races band together to defeat the big evil (archimonde)
Warcraft 3 vanilla:
>Campaign starts with humans
>One of the good guys is brought the evil side (arthas)
>Final mission, the different good races band together to defeat the big evil (overmind)
Starcraft brood war:
>New faction of known race is explored (dark templar)
>New group is introduced to play with and against (UED)
>Ends darkly with the betrayer (kerrigan) securing their hold
Warcraft frozen throne:
>New group is introduced to play with and against(naga)
>New faction of known race is introduced (blood elves)
>Ends darkly with the betrayer (arthas) securing their hold
The difference is that Kerrigan kills one of the good guys late (fenix) whereas Arthas kills one of the good guys early (his father, Tirinius).
ac1f42 No.15235076
>>15234903
These are such broad strokes anon. That's a pretty standard narrative, that can apply to plenty of stories, and they're not all the same. There are huge differences between Arthas and Kerrigan, most notably that Kerrigan was betrayed and unwilling, while Arthas was tricked and willing. Kerrigan wasn't a knight templar archetype before his fall, Kerrigan was nothing like that.
730387 No.15235248
>>15235076
Yes… also kerrigan was female and arthas was male.
But these were the two games back-to-back made by the same studio, the same lead writer, the same lead designer.
d4297e No.15235511
>>15233241
Is that the followup to pic related?
65db8a No.15235824
There were no gnomes in warcraft 3, therefore it was shit.
0b6e0d No.15235867
>>15235824
Flying machines…and that's it.
65db8a No.15235887
>>15235867
The warcraft wiki says these are piloted and made by dwarves, the portrait of the unit looks like a dwarf's too
dd39cf No.15235964
>>15231850
>temptation
>its the standard shounen shit method
>instead of making it an in game thing, like a mission that is naturally supposed to be unfair, and seem impossible at first, but gives you a mission specific building, like some sacrifice pit, that boosts your troops heavily with demonic power
>using this building will lead to a bad end where you see Thrall and the other orcs under the banner of the burning legion
>holding out will and choosing possible death over losing yourselves to the corruption will see reinforcements saving your ass or something similar or Thrall gets fucking murdered but the mission was to buy time for the rest of the horde to scatter and they continue on inspired by Thrall's decision to choose death over servitude
730387 No.15236523
>>15234903
Oh wait, I forgot arthas killed uther too. That fits even better than killing his father.
290be0 No.15236548
File: 863dfeb5a871c39⋯.jpeg (Spoiler Image, 40.63 KB, 1000x667, 1000:667, Totally not horse-cock Dr….jpeg)
I only came into this thread for horse-cock Draenei futa. I was lead to believe there would be horse-cock Draenei futa. Where is it?
09d503 No.15236556
The story is mediocre/average-ish in terms of objective quality of writing but novel in terms of fun and what your roles are in the story
5cdfca No.15236625
>>15233201
it holds up well, don't worry
a52dda No.15236750
>>15236731
That seems more like a jab at media in general at the time.
f9fe75 No.15236786
>>15236681
Why are the dicks always cut? Doesn't anyone appreciate a good foreskin these days?
dfa7b4 No.15236804
>>15233012
>le subversion man at the command of what should be nebulous myths and legends
>>15236786
It's the Jews, anon, really.
a52dda No.15236809
>>15236786
Because americlaps draw them. Also foreskin when wet and wanked folds in such a position that you don't see the inside wrinkles and they could look like cut in most simplistic drawings.
Look, I like futa but can we actually talk about the game not what makes your peepee hard?
f9fe75 No.15236832
>>15236809
Well, okay then.
How hard is it to learn how to play this shit against other people? I've only ever done the campaign, which features retarded and shackled AI, and I haven't been friends with anyone who plays RTS games in a long time.
3a3f16 No.15236835
>>15231746
>>Illidan imprisoned a gorillion years ago for fucking up a nice well (and casually murdering a bunch of his own nameless soldiers but who cares lamo)
Not the game, but the books.
>>Tyrande murders a bunch of innocent night elf jailers to free his ass from a lawful life sentence
She is the ruler of the Night Elves. They are committing high treason.
>>Illidan immediately murders/corrupts a path through the local wildlife and subhumans til he reaches a night elf village, then genocides every last villager with his fish friends because he wants to use one of their boats
No, he doesn't. He pledges to fight for Tyrande. He wanders around and meets Arthas. They are fighting, but are both of equal skill. Arthas tells him about one of the highest Generals in the Legion's Army Tichondrius and makes Illidan aware of a source of power/corruption the Skull of Guldan.
Malfurion banishes him after seeing him in Chad Demon Form. Illidan meets Kil'jaeden, who pressures him into service. Illidan also has to flee from Maiev at the same time and he somehow manages to contact Lady Vashj/Azshara to gain their support. Probably a secret magic codeword to communicate with them, back when he used to fuck one of Azshara's handmaidens or even the Queen Whore herself.
Only then does he actually do what you say.
>>Malfurion, his brother, also wants him back in jail because he doesn't trust his demon magic addiction (and uh also those murders I guess lamo)
No, he doesn't. He never ordered her to do it. His judgement was to exile him forever. He also later was hugely pissed at Maiev for betraying him and Tyrande. Maiev lies about Tyrande dying and almost condemned her to death. She commited high treason. Again. Malfurion, Tyrande actually made up and resolved their differences by seperating. For some reason Blizzard like to repeat that final goodbye again and again…
>>Tyrande is a Good Guy™ for seeing that Illidan dindu nuffin and he prolly in it for the greater good or some shiet
She is later actaully quite reluctant and distanced to him.
>>Illidan is a bad boy antihero who really dindu nuffin for the greater good and all that nuthin personneling of every harmless local he runs across was necessary or something
He is an Antagonist and Protagonist. He isn't pure evil. He has good intentions like destroying the frozen throne, but with extreme methods like using Sargeras power to split Northrend apart. But he can be very ruthless as you can see by him or his forces wiping out nightelf villages. But tbh I don't know what the offical stance of the lore is on that. I mean you never see him kill civilians. I used to think the nightelf villages were still abandoned/destroyed, because literally the end of the world was under way and Demons were corrupting the land of the Night Elfs and fucking shit up.
>>Malfurion is a curmudgeon and in the wrong for doubting the dindu
They are literally working together to save Tyrande. At that point Malfurion was more amicable with Illidan than Tyrande, who actually wondered if Illidan came to kill her personally, when he showed up.
>>Maiev is the real villain for holding a grudge about all those murders and fucking up of nice things
She is a traitor and a deviant. She probably did some illegal things in that prison of hers and that's why the wardens attacked on sight.
>Ignoring how they made Illidan the ultimate good guy hero or whatever in recent WoW expansions because lol WoW.
The retarded thing was making him a villain in the Burning Crusade. Him going against the Legion was actually EXACTLY in Warcraft 3. A whole campaign was just about him taking over Outland and freeding it from the Burning Legion in typical Illidan fashion. So he uses the "evil" to fight evil. Like taking over the Chaos Orc tribes. And the ending of the campaing was a teaser for the coming conflict of going against the Legion.
It was completly retarded to have to fight him. Also the Naaru are literally gas-lighting the players about their role in fighting Illidan.
a52dda No.15236863
>>15236832
From my experience be weary of orcs. You either get are cheeky wank blade master, all can be quite and suddenly your base gets instantly shit on by bat rider, never wait to leave base or else you find 30 tower on your doorstep and slowly creeping forward. If you can't kill the frost wyvern you basically lose because they stop production. Pay attention to armor types and and unit countering is important obviously, min-maxing units is at your own risk. Stacking towers for defense is actually pretty shit. Kill the small animals if you are playing vs humans because they can be spies and definitely get invis detect vs undead because they have a ghost sentry. Don't forget does of appearance to counter other pesky invist units. Heroes vary for what style you are playing so don't pick a hero just for shits and giggles.
9945f7 No.15238578
>>15231746
>Ignoring how they made Illidan the ultimate good guy hero or whatever in recent WoW expansions because lol WoW.
No, he was still a fucking asshole. There was this angel lady who slobbered all over his dick and was obsessed with how he was "the child of light" and spent several flashbacks downplaying his bad actions and lecturing the player.
Then immediately when they meet for the first time, the angel lady manhandles Illidan and tries to fill him with her angel light and Illidan freaks out and kills her instantly.
We find out later that the angel lady lied about a dark naaru existing because she didn't want her followers to know naaru angel things were anything less than incorruptible beings of purity or some shit.
The whole plotline kinda comes off like the angel lady admired Illidan in the same way a Harry Potter fangirl admires Draco Malfoy. Like the reason she liked him so much is because she was a rampaging, selfish narcissist and she saw Illidan as a reflection of herself.
TL;DR: Illidan *wasn't* the ultimate good goy and the angel bitch riding his dick the whole expansion was just as much of an asshole as he was.
3a3f16 No.15238584
9945f7 No.15238594
>>15238584
Illidan was never evil. Just an asshole.
Legion actually handled his character pretty well, outside of Xe'ra dick-riding him until she eventually dies trying to lightrape him.
He actually had a perfect ending for his character arc at the tale end of the expansion.
ba6b3a No.15238816
>>15232595
>Elves are the source of 100% of Azeroth's problems.
>>15232746
>The statement is coherent.
no it isn't. for example, have you ever heard of Warcraft 1 & 2?
ba6b3a No.15238847
>>15232373
>>15232726
>>15232746
>>15233259
>>15232703
>the actually 'good' characters are constantly hated upon due to the Goblins in the media
see >>15238777
290be0 No.15238982
>>15236681
>Human dicks
Christ, what a disappointment. saved the last picture though
>>15236809
>but can we actually talk about the game not what makes your peepee hard?
Sorry, I just figured discussing preferences in cocks would be significantly less gay than discussing WoW.
a17693 No.15239185
>>15238594
Illidan was handled like crap. They reconned a long of BC just to make him happen.
They should've went with that idea floating around of advancing time making Cho'gull replace Kel'thuzad, Terron Gorefiend replace Arthas/Saurfang Jr as champion, and Gul'dan replace ner'zhul since he was dead, then give Arthas, Anub'arak, Kel'Thuzad and Illidan redemption stories by playing through a different Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne story since the alt dimension scourge wouldn't need any of them.
3a3f16 No.15239677
>>15239185
see
>>15236835
The worst character rape was in BC.
a6e42f No.15239722
>>15236786
>>15236809
>you can trace the unprecedented popularity of futa back to americans based on the number of jew cocks
o i am laffin
2f5dd9 No.15239856
>>15238982
>Sorry, I just figured discussing preferences in cocks would be significantly less gay than discussing WoW.
The fact that you are right does not make you any less of a massive faggot.
2c431a No.15240987
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>>15236786
I feel your pain but to be honest, draenei are supposed to have horsecocks anyways.
Sage for offtopic.
3a3f16 No.15241016
>>15240987
This is mental illness.
34fd39 No.15241022
>>15240987
More you're an autistic faggot and should neck yourself.
3e96a0 No.15241029
>>15231850
>It is corruption and redemption
I wish Blizzard remembered the second part, because all they write nowadays is turning bad guys into good guys and good guys into bad guys for 'reasons'.
6c136d No.15241134
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>>15240987
Ahhh, excellent taste anon
352bf8 No.15242913
>>15236786
>>15236804
>>15236809
Because american doctors want to sell foreskins
e3e776 No.15243065
>>15242913
Fun fact: circumcision is pretty normal in the US and not something only Jews do.
bfe560 No.15243074
>>15243065
You say that like its not common knowledge that Americans are all KOSHERED.
fdd1a3 No.15243075
>>15243065
Pushed by jew though too, kike
2c431a No.15244215
>>15242913
>to this date there is hardly any research on infant trauma
Actually, some scientists were attempting a study that circumcision alters the actual physical development and formation of the brain but were asked to stop. I cannot for the life of me find the article though.
0851bd No.15244226
>>15243065
Fun fact, it is pushed by jews, you jew.
76031b No.15244258
>>15231746
Just play warcraft 1 and kill a pack of orcs anon, doesn't need to get philosophical.
522c57 No.15244261
>>15244215
That image has no source and the only thing it brings up is websites referencing the study. The man listed as conducting the survey is also a freelance entepeneur and has no science credentials.
493320 No.15244265
>>15243065
This. Also it looks better than uncut.
c0c77c No.15244273
Compared to current WoW lore Warcraft 3 was fucking Shakespearean.
0bb645 No.15244278
>>15244265
>caring about what penises look like
Are you a homosexual? Because it sounds like that.
c0c77c No.15244282
>>15243065
>this jewish custom is common in the jewish satrapy
You don't say.
493320 No.15244285
>>15244278
Nope, I just care about how my penis is presented. I want it looking the best it can.
522c57 No.15244300
>>15244278
>caring about what your body looks like at all
Ha, fucking fitplebs. Who /fat/ master race here?
0bb645 No.15244310
>>15244285
>>15244300
It's your penis, practically zero people should ever see it.
e3086b No.15244987
>>15244300
>>15244285
Shit, Warcraft 3 was a lot different than I remember
2c431a No.15245643
>>15244261
You misunderstood, I'm looking for a different article.
c66e1b No.15246634
>>15244987
well you obviously never played custom maps
64a1bc No.15246689
>tfw will never play Cops vs Niggers again with friends after school, listening to Dontrell say "WHAT IT DO" when you select him and trying to sell crack to the schoolkids while the cops try to fuck your shit up with helicopters
Fuck you OP. Fuck you.
64a1bc No.15246704
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>>15246689
This is for you plebians who never got to experience the pinnacle of PC Gaming
0ac920 No.15246728
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>>15246704
God I miss the retarded shit we'd play back then
96b053 No.15247167
>>15231746
I appreciated it for the ambiance of it and the fact that it's a single player game to the core, if you want to get comfy and lost in that world and just play by yourself with the campaign it fully supports you to do that.
babd73 No.15247879
>>15243065
General populace started doing it because they were told it improves hygiene and prevents masturbation, these days it's just a tradition to have your newborn sons' dicks mutilated.
dc81db No.15255554
The last game that wasn't made by nu-blizzard. A classic, but unfortunately it did not age well.