/v/ - Video Games

>What's the biggest sin a game can commit for you?

Being localized or published by NISA

Being unapologetic propaganda

>>15229033

>What's the biggest sin a game can commit for you?

Expecting me to pay for it.

>>15229033

Not being fun.

RPG systems in non-RPGs which don't actually utilize the potential of such a systeml to create a large variety of character builds.

Every fucking non-RPG does this nowadays and almost everytime it's an unbalanced mess where your choices are often made irrelevant by the fact that you'll get enough upgrade points towards the end to unlock everything useful but killing all possible build diversity in the process because you always become god in the endgame after being able to spec intomost trees. By extent this also kills replay value because your character will end up the same every playthrough, as opposed to something like in Deus Ex where you have to choose one of two augs with the other being locked off permanently. The only say you really have here is choosing what uograde you want first, because you'll get everything eventually.

Progression often gets fucked because encounters are not designed around you having a certain set of abilities in particular with you being able to start with anything, so you can't challenge the player on specific abilities. This also tends to fuck with the progression of the campaign as all encounters need to be open-ended or formless. Worse is when progression systems are used to cover up the lack of room for player growth in the game, when there isn't much room for the player to exert skill so his numbers have to go up instead.

Balance gets much harder to nail because you now have to account for a pluritude of possibilities instead of a static moveset, on top of leveling making it hard to gauge consistently how many hits an enemy can take before dying.

>>15229033

The biggest sin a game can commit is tell me that something is time sensitive and then I can just fuck off for 200 hours and everything will be fine.

>>15229092

Would the message of 'Identity doesn't matter' be considered crypto-communist? Because I've been seeing it in a lot of indie trash lately and it's very quickly worn it's welcome.

>>15229128

Identity in the sense of identity politics doesn't matter.

>unskippable text boxes every time you do anything

This made the later Dragon Quest and Zelda games near unplayable.

>>15229092

Games sympathetic to communism have been there for a long time. Makes sense since during the Cold War, shittons of people in higher education sucked up to the USSR and computer programmers were typically more educated on average (higher education being brainwashing isn't new). So you had shit like the first Civilization in 1991 having playable Stalin and Mao praised as great leaders and the most efficient civics being communism.

Having a tutorial

RPGs that actively discourage certain builds or force party members that already have the skillset and are always better than you at it.

Having shitty hitreg. POSTAL 2 is a great game but the fucking horrible hitreg just ruins the immersion and fun.>>15229128

>that something is time sensitive and then I can just fuck off for 200 hours and everything will be fine

is that in Chrono Trigger?

>>15229302

sorry for extraposting

>>15229312

Also this.

>>15229312

To articulate that a bit more clearly. DRM of any sort has become an instant no-buy for me. I simply won't tolerate this bullshit anymore.

>what's the biggest sin a game can make

Offering morality choices and then mocking or judging the player for trying them all.

It's an electronic toy. If I played with plastic army men and imagined they all died would you run into the room and judge me because war is bad? Fuck you.

Not being fun.

Games that end badly regardless of what you do

>Mis-Ed Ventures

>the only ending is that the Kankers capture you and the Eds scream in terror

>Undertale

>No option to kill Asgore and leave

Games that clearly ran out of budget by the end with a piss-poor ending

>Rayman just has fireworks and a drawing

>Tonic Trouble just has Ed and the chick standing and talking, no in-game cinematic like the opening

>FFIX supposed to be best FF.

>Has two entire discs of fucking shit yet somehow can't complete Freya's strory.

>>15229033

>good 60 hour game where the last 20 hours are unplayable shit

that doesn't make any fucking sense. If a significant portion of the "good" game is shit, then it's a shit or at least mediocre game

>>15229033

Exploration-centric games with randomized loot.

>>15229033

games with grinding for rng drops, it's why i stopped playing monster hunter

Repetitive grinding that is expected of the player to pad out the experience. A lack of challenge or enemy variety to create a meaningful challenge.

>>15229443

Freya's story is completed, the conclusion just sucks.

>>15229033

Botched difficulty. I like games that try to challenge what you do and reward you for attempting to climb up the skill ladder, but ultimately I've seen too many games that tryhard their way to hard through artificial means or follow the mindless meme of "it's just triple the enemies with triple the health, damage and armor, 2hard4u amirite fellow gaymers? xD" to the point that I've consistently remained in lower difficulties because it's no fun to bash the same guy for 10 minutes straight just because "harder equals higher stats" or pulling some dumb bullshit like cheap instakills.

Psychologically designed timesink with 'microtransactions' in order to attract and harvest the Twitch crowd, who are comprised of people who want to fill up their free time in order to not think about the emptiness of their lives.

lobotomizing a unique protagonist into your run of the mill martyr

fuck tales of the abyss, I can't believe fucking Mieu ended up the only likeable character in the whole thing and even then it dragged on forever

>>15229536

flag pls go

>>15229077

What if it was propaganda you agreed with?

>>15229527

But goy, you're proving that you can skillfully fight for 10 minutes! Women like men with endurance too, goy, like they do in the society destabil pornos we make!

>lefty agenda.

>no attractive characters

>cinematic gameplay

>>15229544

Is it propaganda if it is actually true?

>>15229544

That doesn't help it, I want video games to be video games, not tools for people to push their agenda

>>15229544

The only good “propaganda” tells the truth, but it’s not propaganda then. Who gives a fuck about “what you agree with” if your feelings contradict truth?

Also no, mods, my post history was not derailing or baiting. Get a fucking clue.

>>15229270

>you will never get to fire some god damn guns with Pagan

>>15229632

>Games using voice acting for EVERY line

I remember that being a selling point of FFXIII. The push for more voice acting is definitely one of the symptoms of the decline of the series except for X, I actually think it had good use of voice acting, even the english dub

Befriending or forgiving a villain. Also nip herbivore protags in general.

I wanted to say not working, but that's not an indicator of a shitgame so much as it is an indicator of the game not being designed with modern hardware/software in mind, or my own incompetence when it comes to setting it up.

>>15229632

>Games with multiple endings and you need to replay the same game over again

This shit except with one caveat - I want to see a game that does things in the fashion certain VNs do where going through the game a second time opens up completely different options. On top of that, I'd like to see the game add mechanical depth and difficulty with each iteration instead of having a tutorial, so you have to figure out shit as you go along. One thing I imagined:

Route 1:

>be villager

>village gets btfo in hopeless fight

>do generic shit for guy

>plot twist, guy is end boss

>plot twist, you made him stronger

>gg

Route 2:

>be villager

>new NPC is there

>NPC helps protect village

>learn about end boss from route 1

>suddenly new NPC kidnaps your waifu or something

>becomes new end boss

>gg

That kind of crap. If I knew how to do game design I'd make my dream a reality. I don't really know why a dev hasn't done this sort of thing already - why design a 50 hour game story instead of five 10 hour game stories?

>>15229521

It's one of my all time favourites but I'll never beat it again in my life. The final 15 hours of that game are absolute dogshit.

Weak allies.

I hate games where you have squadmates with terrible AI or an ally faction and every time you see them go toe-to-toe with enemies they are comically inept.

I just want my allies to be at least as good as the enemies.

>>15229372

That "ideal tutorial" is exactly what the original Tomb Raider does, except there's a voice-over that gives instructions at each obstacle (you can just ignore it and fuck around)

>>15229675

X used it well because it had a story worth telling. There's nothing inherently bad about voice acting, only a bad script. Deus Ex has bad acting, but good writing. MGS2 has good acting, but terrible writing. FF XIII had the same problem.

>>15229739

There is a 30 hour game with 5 different stories, it's called Dragon Quest IV and it's amazing.

and /agdg/ is free, ideasfag

>>15229761

>and /agdg/ is free, ideasfag

Impossible. I've seen the work produced by one-man indie projects. It would take me at least 25 years to design the game that way I'd want, and that's being conservative with the amount of time it would take to really get into Blender and everything else. By the time the project was finished, it would be so far out of date that it wouldn't matter any more.

The only chance I have is to put together enough shekels doing something else to bank-roll an AA start-up and hire some starving artists to take whatever script I shat out and make it into something serviceable.

>>15229806

Scale back your expectations, make it 2D, and you'll be able to do a vertical slice in 3 months. See you at demo day

>>15229613

i laugh evrytiem

SJW shit on it

publisher putting its dirty fingers on the game and affecting gameplay

>>15229853

There are games that change difficulty in other ways, you probably just didn't notice. For example Killing Floor 2 (as flawed as that game is) will increase difficulty by adding new types of Zeds and giving them new attacks that they can't do on the easier difficulties. Also Fleshpounds spawn enraged.

>>15229853

It saddens me that they don't do something like, change the enemy types that appear or open up more enemy abilities. That's just the most simple form of scripting to control difficulty. Yeah, scripting flanking behavior is hard, so let's just make them spawn infinitely until the player gets past checkpoint alpha.

>>15229887

Too bad it's featured in a game like Killing Floor 2, though, innit?

>>15229888

Like I said, there are other games that do things like that, you just aren't noticing them. Or sometimes you do notice it but it's a stupid idea, like enemies in Uncharted throwing grenades at you constantly.

Floaty or unresponsive controls and looong unskippable cutscenes, e.g. Solstice Chronicles M.I.A. and Valkyrie Profile respectively

>>15229869

>SJW shit on it

So what's the problem? The spotlight?

>>15229853

Crysis has a neat difficultly system. Like enemies speaking korean instead of english.

>>15229806

Do what >>15229821 said. Basically, you could prototype in RPGMaker or something shitty like that then you have a better idea of what you wanted and what doesn't really work. It also makes recruiting those starving artists easier because you have an actual portfolio and maybe some shitty spritework for them to base stuff on.

>>15229270

This 100%.

I actually passed on even giving FC5 a try once I heard that the endings were shit and saw it confirmed, and it’s not the first game I’ve skipped for that reason either.

I ain’t playing your game for a shitty conclusion.

>>15229270

When I saw a video of the ending I was hoping it was just the hallucinations from the gas earlier carrying on. But they couldn't even play that off right, because they'd rather shit out a poorly written ending than do anything creative.

>>15229270

Everything with the antagonists in that game was dildos. Being stopped constantly during gameplay so they can preach at you for 10 minutes was annoying as fuck. Like they desperately wanted you to like their bad guys. Happened every few missions/outposts because it's way too easy to fill the requirements for the major story missions. I'd be surprised if you could even complete an area's side missions without the boss of the area becoming available. But even before that point you get pulled against your will into getting captured so they can talk at you all the fucking time. The protagonist of FC5 must get captured/high at least 9 times.

>>15229853

>harder difficulties only increases enemy health/damage taken

fucking todd howard's turd logs and every other piece of shit game out there

Insisting or supposing how I should feel about something, actively taking a character whose moral and philosophical choices have been mine and mine alone up until now, and twisting them to suit their narrative. A character who suddenly refuses the player's choice, for example.

Undertale did this. When playing Undertale during the genocide route the player character will actively do things you don't tell it to do. When Sans tells you to hide behind a lamp, you can't fucking move. When Sans tells you to play along with Papyrus, your character will walk through the traps right up to Papyrus until he feels useless and walks away in defeat, and only then does Sans warn you that if you keep it up, you're going to have a bad time later. Which is true, it unlocks the hardest two fights in the game (Undyne the Undying and Sans). And any form of deviation from this path automatically disqualifies you from it (well, not exactly, you can still fight those two fights). If you don't try to kill the little fish kid, you fail the genocide route.

Games that control you, and your actions, but have otherwise given you free agency up until those points are a real problem for me. This is even worse when you get a storyteller who ever uses the words "you feel" for anything other than a physical sensation, like 'you feel the hair stand up on the back of your neck' is fine, but 'you feel <any emotion here>' is not.

Lack of diversity. If you don't cater to sheboons and trannies, you don't cater to me.

Objectified women. Make your fucking women realistic, not bait for the nerds to drool about. And I don't mean 'just cute' like a Pixar girl, I mean make them Eldritch horrors or I won't buy your game. I want to bend over and barely avoid vomiting every time a female is on screen, I want to fall on my knees and cry in agony raging at the day I was born, not some oversexualized bimbo that is just there to make men, perhaps just for a big, horny or even happy.

In a similar vein to >>15229270 ; Weak endings after all the effort going through a long game, making it feel like it wasn't worth it. Best example that comes to mind would be Ys: memories of Celceta. I wasn't a fan of the change of combat that started in Ys 7, but it wasn't the worst. I was more annoyed by the forced cutscenes and areas being blocked off by invisible walls/plot rather than punishing you for going in an area too early and getting killed easily (which was more disappointing that with the party system, Adol dying meant jackshit). It all wraps up in cutscene after cutscene of your party members staying behind to allow you to get to the final boss, which wasn't all that interesting. You get saved by another NPC introduced later as another heart Adol's stole and the game promptly ends there with credits and a scene of him heading out to his next adventure. No resolution for the party members and NPCs you encountered during the game that had lingering plotlines, no idea what happened to the area after the final boss was defeated, No Dogi returning to make the transistion to Ys 3 make sense, nothing. Made me feel all that grinding was for nothing in the end

Another issue I have is when issues like racism (whether it's in a fantasy game or one that's based on reality) are mentioned or are a sub plot of the game, but force you or have the main protagonist you play as to be on one side of the matter rather than allowing you or the character to make your own decisions on the matter based on evidence, facts, and history (it's even worse when they use writer's convenience to the point of exhaustion to make one side the "right" side and one side the "wrong" side instead of allowing nature and truth to take coarse or at the very least show the flaws of both sides).

Any other sins that I would mention already came up.

>>15230114

Exactly the same thing I hate, fuck I hate that failed movie and novel writers think that it's okay to put that shit into video games.

Open world games with collectables. No modern game makes it fun to collect stuff and no game makes it worth it. The open world ruined Mirrors Edge Catalyst. That game had tons of problems but that's probably the biggest one in terms of gameplay.

>>15229302

I don't really recall any "time sensitive" things other than maybe the church miniquest in the DS/PC releases

>>15229632

>Games with multiple endings and you need to replay the same game over again like Nier;Automata The game is decent though

THIS. One of the reasons why I stopped playing Chrono Trigger and Oxenfree.

>>15230114

Reminds me of something in blops 2 that they both nailed and failed at: immersive choices. At one part of the game you are given a sniper rifle and are told to execute a guy with a bag over his head who you are told is the antagonist. He turns out to be your squadmate who was separated from you earlier. The game doesn't take control away from you and you just shoot him like you would in a regular FPS, so 99% of players will just follow orders and shoot him due to not knowing any better. However you can shoot him in the leg instead which saves the character and changes the storyline, however most people wouldn't think to do this since they weren't explicitly told that they could so it rewards you for thinking critically about the situation. Then later in the game you are in a similar situation where you are told to shoot your squadmate by the antagonist, who is right next to him (you're undercover) and a fucking button prompt pops up asking you which one you want to shoot. Why did they bother making a button prompt, it's a SHOOTER. If they didn't break the control scheme then it wouldn't occur to retards that they could use the opportunity to kill the antagonist, and it would have been just as smooth and subtle as the situation described earlier.

>>15229033

Costing money

Having DLC

Having DLC which is stuff just cut from what was supposed to be in the game in the first place

Making a sequel out of stuff that was supposed to be in the first game

Having lootboxes

Always online

>>15229094

Hi Reggie

I’m a fag who enjoys walking simulators on occasion the free artsy bullshit kind.

Nothing makes any one of these stand out more than NOT coming out and clubbing me over the head with the blunt end of the message. Learn some fucking subtlety people.

If you’re more concerned about your very important message being missed than anything else, just write a fucking blog.

not being fun

Appealing to the "wider audience".

It always kills the soul of the game, alienates the original fanbase and usually flops.

>>15230765

And yet they keep doing it. It baffles me.

>>15230114

>playing it instead of just selling the sealed copy and playing good games

You're a retard

>>15230114

You should have traded that shit in, my cousin bought the horizon zero awards+the lez of us+ratchet PS4 pack and he told the employee he didn't want those games because they were shit, so they offered to knock $120 off the price if he gave them the three games, i did the same with the 360 i bought like 5 years ago, i traded gaylo 4 for six used games worth $60 alan wake, halo reach, halo 3 odst, splinter cell blacklist, ace combat 6 and forza horizon.

>>15230362

There's also the fact that it's not meant to be taken seriously. You know, something that leftists can't seem to understand about things that don't parrot their ideology.

>3rd person

>sprint

>camera zooms in closer instead of farther

It's not a deal breaker but fuck it annoys me

Stupid pointless online bullshit

>Lol let's take a single player franchise that has been single player for

THIRTEEN FUCKING TITLES

>and shove some stupid overbearing online interaction requirement that you have to do to even access the fucking parts shop

FUCKING ARMORED CORE 5 WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU SMOKING FROMSOFT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

DLC that contains story content and gameplay improvements. If you expect me to pay 60 US DOLLARS for your game, you're going to give me the whole game, or I'm going to pirate it, period.

>>15229372

I hate tutorials, especially ones that make you go through every single mechanic when the game doesn't even challenge the player to utilize 90% of them.

Senran Kagura and Valkyrie Drive were terrible about this shit.

>First hour of the game is a forced tutorial

>None of this shit matters because the braindead enemies die from button mashing anyway, even on harder difficulties

>>15231472

Well there are some open world games that I like. None of them limit your sprinting ability of course.

>>15229377

>No option to kill Asgore and leave

But you can choose to do that.

>>15229544

I'd rather see fictional political situations instead of bullshit copypasted from MSM headlines and twittertards. The worst part is even if they make up fictional politics they still fuck it up by shoveling in MSM talking points anyway. I play video games because I'm sick of listening to that shit 24/7.

>>15229033

Maybe you're just a pussy.

>>15229761

DQ IV doesn't even have any story.

It's all super basic barebones shit and there's hardly any dialogue. HURR DURR SAVE THE CHILLUNZ. HURR DURR WIN THE TOURNAMENT. HURR DURR BE A TURBO JEW AND GET RICH. HURR DURR BE A STREIPPER SLUT AND GET REVENGE FOR YOUR DADDYS KILLER. HURR DURR BE THE HERO AND GO KILL THE BIG BAD.

>>15231510

I think you might simply be a retard anon

>>15231533

I don't even know what you're talking about I was a kid and played it and completed it just fine. I had no internet back when and didn't suffer any needs to look things up

>>15231587

That's because he's too autistic to see recognizable patterns that scream "bomb here!" or knew that bomb-able walls make a different sound when struck.

>>15231598

I forgot if that was a feature in the first one or not i hadn't played it for years and have felt emulating Monster Party and stuff games I owned really

>>15230714

just be grateful it isnt in hieroglyphs or braille

>>15231598

wow i wish everyone was as big brain like you.

>>15231587

What are you talking about faggot all the graphics are the same for bomb-able areas it was pure luck finding them.

>walls make a different sound when struck.

>>15231628

wasn't a feature

>>15231636

>wow i wish everyone was as big brain like you.

Me too tbh

>What are you talking about faggot all the graphics are the same for bomb-able areas it was pure luck finding them.

I wasn't talking about that, but the actual layout of the level. The wiki http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Weak_Wall puts it best:

<Sometimes, they do not feature cracks, but the alignment of objects nearby may hint at a Weak Wall being present.

However the wiki did remind me that there were several walls that did have a different texture indicating they were bombable. IIRC these were the only necessary walls to be bombed with the rest being optional, but I can't say that for certain.

>walls make a different sound when struck

>wasn't a feature

I distinctly remember the sound in my head even now. The wiki also corroborates this.

<In most games, when Link hits a Weak Wall with his sword, they make a different sound than when a regular wall is struck.

>From Ocarina of Time

<"Here's a secret for saving me! A wall that you can destroy with the Goron's "special crop" will sound different than a regular wall if you hit it with your sword." — Goron

>>15231687

Whoops. I retardedly thought you were talking about OoT even when you explicitly said the "original LoZ." My bad. However my point still stands that the game usually indicates where it wants you to bomb based on level layout.

>different damage types that make no difference whatsoever

>weapon categories but all weapons are functionally the same

>CHOOSE YOUR PATH

>PLAY YOUR WAY

>>15229096

this

>>15229632

>Games with multiple endings and you need to replay the same game over again like

>Nier;Automata

That aint a good example honestly, you only have to replay the game for the second part and even that has significant changes

>>15231249

>MMO

>Either acquiring all the best items is impossible so you have to be imaginative

>Or there is a single way to play each class

>People laugh at you or even kick you from parties if you attempt to build your character somewhat differently

>Even if the most commonly accepted way to build a character according to theorycrafting is far from the most efficient in practice

>You have to do it just because some "pros" said you had to build your character that way

>Classes are just meant to do one thing and devs attempt to keep it that way, regardless of how you build your char

>Active nerfs to anything that's not the ONE TRUE META

I fucking hate this shit.

>>15233253

>Pseudo mmo

>Everyone is overpowered as fuck and there are hundreds of different ways of blowing the entire map up

>There are still meta faggots who scream at you because you brought a non meta character/build

I'd get it if it was shit or it doesnt work but I cant remember the meta faggotry being this present in older games.

SRPGs with limited resources where most fights last more or less the same amount of time except the last one, which is a two hour ordeal beating half a dozen final forms until you die of attrition.

Then you reset, spend another 3-4 hours grinding and retooling your team from what you've used the entire game to beat 20-ish min encounters to specific self sustainable counter tanks just to get more or less fresh to the last final form you managed (more slowly since you aren't dealing as much damage) and hope you don't wipe again.

Fuck every SMT game ever. SPECIALLY DeSu.

>>15231448

In general it never adds anything to a game considering that, say for instance, swinging your sword like a retard constantly is disadvantageous on its own. Putting a meter with it just arbitrarily limits how often you can do it.

>>15229613

Requesting webm of the krogan fight with anita sarkesian

>>15229974

The ending isn't even the biggest issue, it's the game in general

Having the sequel worse than the game before

Was going to say pushing politics but I guess hiding game content behind a paywall is worse

>You can save the game anywhere and anytime

It's like they give you a "press to win" button. Makes most challenges in a game trivial.

Not to mention that you have to stop playing to save every minute like a nigger if you don't want to lose hours of progress if you die.

>> 15247224

this bait is so weak it doesn't even deserve a (you)

Random encounters.

FUCK RANDOM ENCOUNTERS SO MUCH

>>15247224

that way you're leaving the degree punishment of dying or losing completely up to the player, effectively killing most of the challenge

you died? it's ok, you made a save ten seconds ago so you lost no progress anyways

this doesn't really work for games which challenge you on the long term or on consistent performance, if there's a health bar of some sorts there probably is a reason why you wouldn't savescum after every single hit you take, just because you beat a certain obstacle once doesn't mean you're good enough, true skill comes from being able to do so consistently

to put it differently, imagine how much of a ponce you would look like if you saved after every single attack in a boss fight you managed to avoid without taking damage

>>15247295

If you beat an obstacle before, you'd be able to surpass it once again. To send you all the way to the beginning after dying would just be a waste of time because it's not like you won't get to the same spot again.

>>15247319

You might get to the same spot again, depending on the game and with some effort. But that is, itself, tedious and a punishment, which makes you want to avoid getting killed far more. Death without consequence is pointless.

>>15230052

I swear the only reason why they even have that difficulty system would be because Morrowind had it and they've just been recycling the code for it alongside the rest of Morrowind's code ever since.

>>15247319

>If you beat an obstacle before, you'd be able to surpass it once again

You could, but it's no guarantee. Like first I'd practice each stage with savestates in Ninja Gaiden for the NES individually until I could complete them without dying, and then when I would attempt a full run without savestates I'd still choke on some of the later stages. Obviously I wasn't good enough.

Savestates would just ruin the difficulty of a game which asks for a consistent long-term performance. Savescumming in something like a strategy game has no point when your loss is the result of multiple prior mistakes piling up, and in something like an action game it invalidates the balance enforced through health bars or the like. Health bars give you some room for error, and when you exceed even that then some stricter form of punishment should naturally occur. If you savescum with like 10% HP remaining, it's obviously going to get harder later on, so you feel more inclined to savescum a sequence without taking any damage at all, thus ruining the aspect of long-term thinking because you do not have any serious punishment associated to losing all your health.

>>15247295

I take it developers not tearing the command console and SDKs out of their games is an instant uninstall for you as well?

RPG's where here one class is completely inferior to others like Adepts in ME2.

A real annoyance that has realized only over the past few years has been RPGs releasing expansions that take place during the main campaign.

Nobody returns to play the campaign again just to experience the DLC. It's retarded. If you're gonna do expansions or DLC, make it take place after the original campaign.

>>15231495

>Completely overlooking the game long overarching plot involving Psaro, his elf gf, the alchemical amulet, race wars and mixing, genocide, and the secret of evolution.

To be fair shit localization aside the ds remake expanded on it a lot.

>>15231737

>dude let’s get lost even more lmao

Metroid never did that you bugman. it’s not claustrophobic it’s just annoying.

>>15247295

You can't stop people from ruining their own experience.

If scrubs can't savescum, they will cheat or watch a let's play.

For everyone else, being able to save at any time is convenient and allows for things like skipping cutscenes and getting straight to the fight after each death.

>>15229033

Tons of cutscenes and./or scripted sequences. Especially at the beginning of the game, like Ubishit always does.

Tacking on half assed levels to stretch out the game time. I would much rather play a 5 hour game that is excellent from start to finish than play a 15 hour one that is comprised mostly of forgettable crap. It's the equivalent of filler songs on albums.

>>15229571

>>15229544

>Is it propaganda if it is actually true?

This tbh.

>RPGs that have item stealing mechanics for finding rare items, but fool you into thinking there's nothing worth stealing by giving you nothing but garbage for your initial efforts.

>Logic puzzles that turn into insta-gameover guessing games, because the shitty localization ruined it.

>Huge chunk of content is inaccessible, due to dead multiplayer or copyright bullshit.

>Only one savefile allowed, because just buy another copy of the game, you stupid goyim.

>3D platformer level design that consists mainly of hallways, especially if it's a sequel to a platformer that had good 3D level design.

>Game has a good variety of weapons/powers

>Final boss is inmume to all of them but one

>>15229094

this

>What's the biggest sin a game can commit for you?

existing.

Not letting me play. At least give me a small taste of the gameplay to start with, THEN dump the exposition on me. I don't want to play a first person shooter that takes a full hour to give me the basic pistol. I don't want to play an RPG that takes a full hour to put me in the tutorial fight.

Stealth game with forced combat segment.

Action game with forced stealth section.

Game incentives non-lethal plays and penalized lethal plays….but 90% of the weapons of the game are lethal weapons.

Also, games that give you the best ending if you do nothing at all

>>15266386

undertale?

>>15266386

>1st art

DXHR/Dishonored

Thankfully you could just do NG+ in DXHR to render the exp penalties irrelevant

>2nd part

Far Cry 4?

>>15229033

The 'anti-replay value' levels of vidya

some examples

0. Ruul from SW: Force Commander

1. Peragus from KOTOR2

2. Deep Roads from DA:O

3. Undead islands from Spellforce 1

4. NWN2 OC pre-Neverwinter

5.

>>15266537

What's wrong with Ruul?

>>15266537

I enjoyed the Deep Roads. It was always the Mage's Tower that bored me, along with the werewolf/elf area.

>>15266537

>>15266571

>Force Commander

Someone else actually played this?

But yeah, this is a good example. The first two Ruul levels where you're playing as the Empire are okay, but the Rebel Ruul levels are awful because you don't even get a real army, just hover transports and infantry that you're expected to take on masses of vehicles with. Storywise it's supposed to be because you just defected from the Empire and the Rebellion doesn't trust you with any of their major hardware yet, but they could have done something more than that. At least Trasse lets you have Y-wings despite being no better on the ground unit front.

Oddly enough I actually thought Peragus was a pretty good concept, though it does drag on a bit too long.

>>15266637

>the Rebel Ruul levels

Oh, THOSE levels. I forget about the rebel plotline.

The artillery in that game was dope. Advancing and deploying 5 of those little mobile arty's with a probe droid up on a ridgeline ahead is a special feeling.

>>15266505

Yeah, Far Cry 4. And the 1st part was referring to Peace Walker but Dishonored works too.

>>15266672

Artillery was way overpowered in that game. It's way overpowered in real life too if the enemy has no air support. This can make for somewhat boring fights because by the time you actually move in with your troops and vehicles, the enemy hardly has anything left. In the campaign they balanced this through clever map design, restricting the times you can use artillery and making it so the artillery pieces are easily destroyed. It wouldn't be hard to make a modded version of the game that fixes all its problems, but that's probably not going to happen.

>>15266445

How so?

>>15230084

>This is even worse when you get a storyteller who ever uses the words "you feel" for anything other than a physical sensation

out of all the things in that shitpile of a meme game, the candy bowl bullshit was what made me stop, quit, and refund the game

>>15230761

the whole fucking game was shit. not even the music was good.

>>15231448

>any game

>character's default movement speed is slow

>no sprint

>dodging/rolling/etc. is barely faster than walking

a lot of games have this problem and i fucking hate it.

>>15257528

what if you could kill them?

Honestly at this point i hate when games play it safe. We have an oversaturation of mediocre games. (Same with film and tv and music)

Its like all the money goes to controlled major devs so they look at is as investments not as an art or a fun hobby.

The biggest sin is playing your first Souls game and learning you can use the same strategy all the way up to your last souls game.

It got "vaguely" prettier but the mechanics almost got less deep.

>>15232770

>niggers

im glad there isnt more

>>15266595

Mages Tower was fine except for the fade segment. The tower had a couple of puzzles to sidetrack yourself with on your way through, one of them giving you a pretty good 2hander early on if you go straight there from Ostagar. There was also the summoning ritual thing that gave you an extra random encounter when travelling.

>>15229128

>The biggest sin a game can commit is tell me that something is time sensitive and then I can just fuck off for 200 hours and everything will be fine.

Dragon Age: Origins is 100% fucking guilty of this. There's a war against the darkspawn and they all go on fucking holiday while you traipse the countryside doing completely banal MMO-tier sidequests (seriously). It annoyed the shit out of me. Either do time pressure properly or don't fucking do it.

BioWare has truly mastered the art of being phenomenally half-assed while attempting to convince you they are doing a serious job.

>>15247256

Exit Fate had the right idea with the Bribery system.

>Early Access

>Kickstarter

>EA

>QTEs

>Unskippable cut-scenes right before a fight where you get your ass kicked 6 times before you wise up.

>Anything where a character says 'Press X to…'

>Entire cast is fuggos to reduce SJW bitching

>'Romance'

Fuck off, it has no place in a world full of kissless virgins, it's always hamfisted and unbelievable, your bod always gets to fuck whoever you want, the girl never shoots you down or makes you hate them by being spineless and/or self-destructive. It's unreal and what's more, fucking pathetic, pandering not to people who actually play games but to frustrated sexless idiots on tumblr who say shit like 'hot banging' where the reality is a glimpse of digital ass and a fade-to-black.

>>15271980

at least if it were ASDF or HJKL you could keep a finger on one of the reference keys and not lose your position.

>>15229033

>RNG grind games. I'm fine with randomized loot, but when the odds become less than a 1% chance for dropping when doing something that may take between 10 to 40mins..I tend to say fuck this cancer

<Iron sights in sequel games that didn't use them before

>Same thing as Iron sights but with sprinting now. Basically features that get forced into games because they are popular in other titles.

<Propaganda shoved into games. Unless the game gives you the option to say fuck you to that bs

>Child side kick. I hate 90% of the children in vidya games. I hate 100% of children when they are tethered to my character

<"Your ___ will be completed in 48hrs" shit. I should not have to wait 2 fucking days for a vidya game to accomplish what it could normally do in seconds

>Terrible Endings. Basically any ending that makes you wish you hadn't wasted the time playing it

<Games with multiple season passes

>Bullet sponge basic enemies. Makes your weapons feel weak

<Censorship of any kind

>Dialogue choices that do not properly display what comment you are about to actually make

>>15271980

Where did that control scheme come from anyway? WASD or ESDF makes way more sense and even mimics the four button cross setup for controllers pretty well.

>>15272260

I normally keep my pinky on shift and use my index for c and v.

>>15272148

Ironically the entire tone of that rant screams tumblr. Life isn’t sexless even to virgins, m8

>>15272450

>Life isn’t sexless to virgins

Best tell them that.

Romance in games is shit, if they want to make porn then let them, trying to convey love or intimacy with character models that clip through each other is a wasteland, they should just write better quests instead.

>>15272328

It's the oldschool pre-WASD scheme. Before GUIs existed computer mice were optional, not a necessity, and it was expected that you would have your right hand on the arrow pad or number pad and your left hand on the regular letters and buttons, so keyboard schemes were fitted to that kind of usage. Even now it's still a perfectly good control scheme for games and software that don't use mice.

Actually in a lot of GUI apps, mouse-dependent controls might be easier to navigate but keyboard navigation and hotkeys are usually much faster and convenient once you get the grasp of them.

>>15229033

>What's the biggest sin a game can commit for you?

Aiming with a controller.

>>15271980

What exactly would you remap that TO anyway? Risk of Rain is the first game that comes to mind with that layout (it's remappable though). There's no mouse controls in game so even if you CAN bind the main buttons to the mouse, why would you? It basically comes down to preference of do you want to move with your left or your right hand, since both hands will be on the keyboard anyway. If you DID want to move with your left then you would have to bind the actions to something like jkl; which is even worse.

>>15229033

not closing out a game. mostly moba or rts, or even some platformers and arcade fighting (what do you call fighting genre like mortal kombat does it have abreviation?) literal sin, seperates true elo from non

>What's the biggest sin a game can commit for you?

Half-assed ports for PC. Spider-Man 2 was one of the worst offenders.

DRM

>>15275764

>old beatemup

>knock guy on the ground

>literally can't do anything to them

At least in Battletoads you could kick those fuckers off the screen.

>>15275720

yeah like tthat, but 1%, and 20 ttimes a minute for 5 years straight that you cantt opt out of or are guilty enough to be in of

didnt ruin my life or anything .

>>15275764

You just reminded me of the final boss of shining soul 2

>summons random enemies

>summoning "animation" (he literally just stands still while a portal appears) takes 2 seconds of invincibility out of like a 5 second window to attack

>it's somewhere in the middle of the window

>attacking too soon cucks your damage, and too late makes you get assraped by 4 strong hits that have a thin dodge window, even at the highest movement speed

>the monsters he summons can cast spells that make it almost impossible to dodge his 4 hit assrape. better pray rng gives you slow non-spellcasters

What >>15231249 posted is so very true here. Certain attack animations for weapons make this a cakewalk. It's really fucking gay.

Come to think of it, this game commits an assload of sins:

>>15230052

>>15229853

>>15230523

>you cannot skip any cutscene text at all

>the npcs talk a lot

>the story isn't even that good and character development is 0

>text speed is at a 3rd grade reading speed

>>15230523

>>15229033

QTE

I like Federation vs Zeon and all but I gotta ask….why can't they put in a block function in that game? I got a honking big shield and I can't bloody well block? And another thing, why the hell I can still get damaged when I get knocked down but not the enemy?

>>15229033

Introducing an original gimmick and doing fuckall with it

Having good challenging gameplay but watered down with microtransactions.

>Go to options

>Go to display

>Go to HUD

>Only options are on/off

Is dynamic fucking HUD too much to fucking ask for

>>15282928

Any good examples of a game doing this right?

>>15282939

MGSV, the Dark Souls games (I at least remember 2 and 3 having this), Bloodborne. Surprisingly, Horizon Zero Dawn on the PS Quatro had some pretty neat and in-depth HUD options. You can edit nearly every element of the HUD to only appear dynamically or not at all. I was fucking shocked that HZD of all games would have the best HUD options in recent memory. Every other game I can think of just does this lazy on/off shit. It's especially insulting when games have the nerve to be 50GB bare minimum because of uncompressed textures, real time effects, and general GRAPHICS shit. Can't even get some dynamic HUD so you can enjoy the eye candy when you're not in combat.

>>15282977

I really meant more like a specific example of what you even mean, like your ammo counter only showing up when you shoot or what?

>>15282939

Hitman 2016 does this extremely well. You can hide everything individually, including all notifications of alert and ability to see through walls/see who will recognize you. I can’t wait to pirate Hitman 2. I have had so much fucking fun with pirating the first one, and I’m stuck in an endless loop of playing only the offline content. It’s just relaxing; I can’t explain it.

>>15283005

Oh yeah, stuff like that. For example, when you're not in combat, your health, stamina, ammo, tools etc, anything related to checking vitals and managing tools only shows up in combat or when you're hurt. In HZD, the compass will only show up when your discover a new location or a campfire. XP bars only appear when you tally XP. Basically, the game is only giving you visual indication of such information when it's relevant in the actual gameplay.

>>15283017

Hitman 2 has some AI problems I will warn you though regarding suspicion. Sometimes it also seems like the guards can see through walls.

>>15282977

I think MGS4 had probably the best controls in the series you had such meticulous aspects surrounding movement and cqc. MGS5 kind of toned down some of these elements and I didn't like it but it was still a better game because mgs4 is literally like 2 good levels and a bunch of cutscenes and on rail sequences.

>>15283079

Ditto. Certain things make me angry with a game and berate it or not want to play it, but denuvo is an actual reason to not buy it, even if it's really good.

>>15283079

This. Its just a big "fuck you" to customers. On a similar note, really shitty restrictive EULAs are a turn-off to me and its a shame because nobody realizes how much EULAs take away from a game when they do stuff like ban modding.

Having endless reams of dialogue. It's not that I don't enjoy reading but I'm here to play a video game. FFT pissed me off and I just went to play another tactics game.

>>15247224

you are the reason "scum saving" phrase was invented

>>15290059

I can answer some of hose questions for you, but the game really should do that, so your points still stand.

The rat never steals hearts or shields IIRC, while he'll steal everything else. Weapons, items, and ammo. If a piece of gear is on a pedastal, he won't touch it. Chests are always preserved unless you break them, or they have a fuse next to them. They will explode after a short time if you don't unlock it or smash it.

But yes, I feel like luck of what weapons you get greatly affect how far you go- even more than skill to a degree.

I've been having more fun with Dead Cells. You could beat that game with just your default weapon (though it would be hard) and every time I have died I know it is because I was dumb and played wrong or not fast enough. I feel like it's been giving me a fairer shake than Gungeon.

Then again, I popped into the daily challenge and came across this giant fucking knight thing that has very quick wind-up on its attacks, often moves past you so you need to roll into where it will be, and has a very fast stomp that covers the floor in spikes. And if you run away, it teleports you back to it. I'm sure it'll be easier with a shield to parry, but god-damn.

>>15290109

And even the best ones could be made obsolete by something you can make yourself with about 30 minutes of effort.

>>15290086

>The rat never steals shields

Are you sure about that.webm

>But yes, I feel like luck of what weapons you get greatly affect how far you go- even more than skill to a degree.

I can consistently get to forge with whatever, but the fact that item pickups are not frequent (also meaning that maxing hp rarely matters), "final boss" has fuckloads of HP and enemies HP scales is what made me (until I have deleted the game) quit halfway and just restart, ESPECIALLY, since the game favors snowballing by giving you increased rewards if you perfect a boss. In other words, weapon RNG doesn't exactly undermine skill, it undermines fun.

>>15290086

>Chests are always preserved

Nope, there is or are an exception.

>>15290127

>Are you sure about that.webm

I mean I never noticed it did. Maybe it does later on?

Sounds like you got further than I did

>>15290109

Quest award leveler mod. I think the random rewarded loot is worse as the easiest loot is as good as the hardest; there's no point searching for any.

>>15229033

I like JRPG's but the only way i play them these days is popping up a trainer, maxing my stats and proceeding to power through the game in god-mode.

The filler fucking sucks and then there's the gameplay itself which is often barely average, usually way too fucking boring and relies on shitty gimmicks that you have to use constantly even on shitty fucking trash mobs provided you play it without cheating up.

>>15229033

Having poor pathing/movement systems.

It doesn't matter if the AI is dogshit, it doesn't matter if the guns sound like nerf (actually, Nerf Guns, if recorded properly, may actually have more audible punch than half of the guns in most FPSs), it doesn't even matter if the game is otherwise irredeemable.

If just moving around in the game is a joy, the game can be played.

If the movement is an absolute chore, I'm not likely to play for more than a few minutes. This applies to all genres.

>>15290205

At that point you might as well read the story on a wiki or god forbid, watch a let's play and don't bother with the game itself

Fully implemented stuff that you can only use in a small area that works more or less perfectly if brought outside it with hacking. Stuff like alternate characters or the like. Even if they're evil/dead/whatever or would result in dialog making no sense they could still be put in as a hidden extra or button code.

>>15290610

Fuck me. I've misinterpreted the thread entirely.

>>15290059

All that, yet you still forgot that your DPS against bosses is capped, which is probably the greatest sin that game commits

>>15229033

skinner

>>15290166

>Maybe it does later on?

Literally did to me on the first stage.

>Sounds like you got further than I did

That's on the "1st" stage too.

>>15290584

Nu-spelunky is cancer, try the original.

>>15290656

>All that, yet…

you missed the point. It's not about each particular instance, it's about what it amounts to. You could excuse some of them (including DPS cap), just outright or in some context, but all of it together turns a breddy gud game into a fucking dumpster fire.

>>15290166

And by "shields" I'm talking about armor.

>>15229033

>What's the biggest sin a game can commit for you?

Forced insertion of diversity, feminism, or the other sjw bullshit. Also, pandering to fuckfaces like Sarkesian.

>A tactical RPG with a shitton of secret unlockables

>One such unlockable unit requires you not to shoot down the unit

>Also on the same stage, another unlockable unit requires you to keep one unit alive after you persuade it to join you

>Said unit becomes uncontrollable after you persuade it and it's pretty suicidal, attacking any nearby enemy unit

>Said unit shot down the unit you were supposed to keep safe throughout the stage…or said suicidal unit gets destroyed

I think I lost my hair at that stage…

>>15290760

Does the original not have all the bullshit in it?

>>15229033

>For me its purposefully wasting my time near the end of the game.

>Rogue Galaxy is a great game

80% of Rogue Galaxy is exactly what you criticize the last dungeons of Rogue Galaxy for. If anything the most egregious offense in that vein is the last boss, especially the phase with Jupis.

>>15229033

Being irredeemably shit but being paraded around as a masterpiece.

>>15290109

You just make your own shit in TES it's rare there's anything worth keeping that's original loot.

Being published by Gearbox. Instant no go. Even more than Denouvo.

>>15292703

>no rolling rocks that ruin your run

>arrows fly slow enough for your whip animation to complete

>you can see things better, either due to contrast and visual design or slightly better screen size

>no unlocking billion characters bullshit

And some other things I already forgot. Basically it's a fair version of the game, as far as cuntish rougelike indie platformers can get.

>>15229033

Sandbox/building games that not only have no goals, but don't even have good AI to help you make your own world.

keen software house, I'm looking at you.

>>15229372

My exception to this rule is strategy/politics/4x games with horribly overcomplicated GUI's (which is a sin in of itself).

>>15292703

The original Spelunky is just better in subtle ways and doesn't have the bloating. Plus its pixel aesthetic is competent.

>>15295320

>ability to sell items

Why is than an unlockable?

>>15295339

Because the idea is or it would be more appropriate to say, an excuse is

>you should be able to win with your personal skill only, everything else is a crutch, lel

>>15295320

Actually you can dodge roll the boss, though it is very tricky. Odds are you'll need a wolf-trap.

And Time Gates are always in the same rough area. I.e. In the Promenade it's always the first underground section, or in the Sewers its always one of the first branching paths from the entrance. For those two at least, if you've found a teleporter, you've gone too far.

I will not disagree with you on the latter points of the design however. With the exception of daily challenges, there's nothing to stop you rushing past enemies. You've only got the risk of coming across a group of enemies so large you're pinned down, you're not building up money or cells, and you probably won't find decent gear for the boss fights.

I could say it's a choice of how much you run and how much you fight, but I've not dug in deep enough to see if running is fine if you just fine a decent chest in later levels.

>>15295389

Selling doesn't even get you all that much money compared to killing enemies. I guess it's the argument between "do you eventually want to be able to sell gear for decent money, or spend your cells on something else right now?"

>>15295895

why would I pay anything ever? it's retarded to complain about some arbitrary price, just buy or pirate as you like, but stop being a retard

QTE final bosses. I did somewhat enjoy Sly 4 until the end, maybe it's for the best we don't get a sly 5

>>15229096

This shit really toasted my waffles in nuDoom.

>Pick your upgrades

>There are objectively incorrect choices

>Have fun

Maybe I shouldn't have done the first playthrough on the hardest available difficulty but still, that shit was retarded.

>>15290584

>>15290760

The tiki traps single-handedly made me stop playing Spelunky. They're fucking everywhere and usually instakill you.

Introducing gimmicky genre roulettes/alternate gameplay which takes away effort, time, and resources from improving either a new or original gameplay marketed to players. Basically having little to no faith that a short but sweet and really polished game could stand well enough on its own so they cram in as many boring/frustrating fetchquests and filler levels to pad out game length. A few mini games are fine here and there, especially if they're purely optional bonus content, but not if they go overboard in cockblocking you either from progressing the game without them or 100% completion if you don't do them.

>>15313835

Try the original.

>>15229033

>death by cutscene

>>15317251

Doom wads are the worst for this bullshit.

Censorship and "progressive"/SJW dreck are easily the worst.

As far as gameplay elements go, excessive backtracking to increase playtime is cancer. Imagine placing respawn points 15 minutes away from bosses instead of actually making the bosses more difficult and engaging?

UNSKIPPABLE CUTSCENES

when your epic time traveling cyberpunk space demon conflict with deep lore turns into a japanese highschool drama and then a generic parallel fantasy world adventure after a few expansions.

Thinking that removing control from the player is a good decision. Thinking that replacing it with badly made RNG is a good decision.

>>15272328

I think it's used because the inputs map to controller inputs easily with little effort from the developer.

>>15323211

>that setup

I'm sure it's fine, but it looks awkward.

>>15323211

I seriously hope nobody does this.

>>15323211

Change WASD to the arrow keys and space to enter enter on the num pad and that's how I played S3&K for the longest.

>>15336550

>inb4 butthurt

>>15336550

Lolis are pedophila, but I have yet to seen any evidence why that's wrong. Even the Holy Scriptures don't say so. Everyone who is nine years and one day old is free game.

Lengthy downtime.

I play the game to play the game, if you want to put in a story fine but I don't want to watch it, and if you fucking dare to do a slow walking segment in your game between action segments It better not last more then 10 seconds to hide loading.

>>15336788

Even nonstory stuff like this pisses me off, maybe moreso. Things like forcing you to watch a needlessly long animation every time you do something or having to sit through menus that aren't instant.

>>15336807

the dubs man i can understand but you just sound impatient young grasshopper

>>15321042

UNPAUSEABLE CUTSCENES

>>15229631

Can you elaborate on what's so bad about that video? I watched the first few minutes and it was only the usual corporate dicksucking all youtubers do.

>>15229680

>befriending or forgiving

This reminds me of the good old "defeat a guy, get them as an ally" gig. When done right, it's actually kind of cool. Also, anyone can kill an enemy, but to make them your bitch is another thing.

>>15283023

I think he means Hitman 7 which is called Hitman 2.

>>15349258

It´s a simulation brother, if you want to make in business brother you will learn to love that pedigree.