/v/ - Video Games

>>15217003

the atmosphere

>>15217005

Fair enough.

>>15217003

Because:

>cool monster fusion system

>setting doesn't require a phd in weeb dance theory to appreciate

>super high tech anti-demon armor helmets were designed to look like a smiley face first and fight demons second

>classic obtuse "do it all yourself you lazy slob" wizardry style dungeon crawling

>sadistic traps

>extremely long

>requires 3 playthroughs

>is the best entry in the entire franchise objectively

>combat system where you actually have to pay attention to and use status effects and instant-kill spells and the like - mechanics almost all RPGs have but always nerf into total uselessness

>it's basically hardcore pokemon but the pokemon are made out of tits and cocks and the pokeballs are your PUA suaveness

Also it's a wizardry clone. I play all wizardry clones and enjoy most of them.

>plays a dungeon crawler

>complains about it playing like a dungeon crawler

Seems you are completely fucking retarded, OP

Should I read the books before starting with Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei? Are the books even any good?

good story

good soundtrack

good art and atmosphere.

Gameplay may not be true Press Turn with demon co-op, but still enjoyable after you get used to it.

>roadbloacks annoyances

True, but it was also hardly a challenge or tedious with warps and apps

Also, the App system and App points was a cool concept, same with the Forma

>>15217747

>Should I read the books before starting with Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei

You shouldn't be playing Megami Tensei 1 in the first place.

The books are largely unrelated

>>15219411

>good story

No game that gives you a cutie Russian blond only to take her from you and turn her into a zombified pop star is "good".

Everything else you said is true, though only for the first iteration. Redux is trash.

>"Y U LIKE DIS? I DUN LIKE DIS!!!" threads popping up and getting traction

The absolute state of /v/.

>>15219423

>You shouldn't be playing Megami Tensei 1 in the first place.

Why?

I had fun with strange journey. It took longer than I thought it would.

Neutral route was the only one I bothered with so I can kill everything and bail.

>>15219478

maybe you should play the SNES port of it?

>>15217393

Fair points, except for the battles being hard. Bar insta-kill moves and Mem Aleph, the battles in this game were pretty easy.

>>15217707

It's like you can't read or something. Dungeon crawlers are fun, but this game replaced difficulty with tedium and interruptions. Kinda like P3 where nothing significant happens for hours on end until the next full moon.

>>15217747

You can read the books if you want to, but Megami Tensei is irrelevant to Shin Megami Tensei.

>>15219411

>True, but it was also hardly a challenge.

That's my problem. Those roadblocks were just there to be annoying, and all of them consisted of "find 3 things or kill 4 demons to proceed, but before that, run all over the map to find 2 more things." They were not challenging or well made.

>>15219417

Who isn't?!

>>15219491

Shit you're right. I just went with the first one and the translation patch I found was made this year. Feels like the translators wasted a lot of effort translating the NES version for around 18 years considering the superior version of the game was translated earlier.

>>15219503

>Megami Tensei is irrelevant to Shin Megami Tensei.

Aren't there branching timelines and universes and other convoluted bullshit? I imagine the vast majority of games in the franchise are mostly irrelevant to most other games in the franchise.

>>15217003

If the DS version is too hard then the 3ds version is not too bad except that there is added story stuff that was not in the original game.

Depends on how hardcore you are when it comes to keep stuff original and how much you like/dislike the new Atlus for doing these kind of stuff for sales.

>>15219532

>Feels like the translators wasted a lot of effort translating the NES version for around 18 years considering the superior version of the game was translated earlier.

There are people who say the NES version is superior for the music and the somewhat more obtuse maps. Honestly I'm more interested in Megami Tensei II, I enjoyed the KMT version of that a lot more than SMT I.

>>15219478

Its a really bland dungeon crawler even by 1987 standards on NES. The second one saves the core concept a bit by adding the post apocalyptic flavor but is still largely invalidated by the first SMT.

I got stuck fighting neutral route Zelenin a year ago and I haven't returned because I know it will involve a shitload of fusing to get a team that can beat this bitch.

Great game though, 9/10.

>>15219570

>not too bad

But it is. Original or bust.

>>15219476

>People actually discussing videogames

DA ABSOLOOT STAYT OF VEE

>>15219656

>I got stuck fighting neutral route Zelenin

woof

The final boss is gonna be hard for you then

Think smart not hard

>>15219656

Just spam Antichton and Luster Candy like a normal human being.

>>15219700

>Antichton

You mean Jihad.

>>15219570

I already beat the game. Which is why I'm wondering why anyone even liked it. I'm not saying it's difficult, because it isnt. SMT Nocturne was more difficult than this. What I'm saying is that the game is really fucking annoying in how it just interrupts whatever you're doing to give you some other arbitrary shit to do in order to go back to whatever you were supposed to be doing in the first place, then have you backtrack for 2 hours in a really bland environment with rather bland music. Add a Mary Sue and that terrible new art to that shit and it becomes absolute shit.

>>15219532

Split timelines, multiple universes, you name it. It's little more than theories and headcanon.

>>15219656

Oh boy, I hope you enjoy Mem Aleph then, because Zelenin is easy compared to the mother.

>>15219739

>What I'm saying is that the game is really fucking annoying in how it just interrupts whatever you're doing to give you some other arbitrary shit to do in order to go back to whatever you were supposed to be doing in the first place, then have you backtrack for 2 hours in a really bland environment with rather bland music.

The backtracking in SMT 2 gets even worse at times.

>>15219739

>Split timelines, multiple universes, you name it. It's little more than theories and headcanon.

So there's one coherent timeline?

>>15217003

havent read the thread, is the 3DS version good? from what I've seen it adds new endings, removes Kaz's art and adds press turn instead of co-op

>>15219700

I know, this is just the first time I've ever really needed to fuse for specific skills, so I'm being a whiny bitch about it.

>>15219698

>>15219739

Got a link to a good Let's Play?

It has to do a lot with Esoteric stuff, thats why I like it

>>15219744

No, it still has demon co-op plus it has shit art and a Mary Sue that ruins the original endings

>>15219754

>Got a link to a good Let's Play?

No such thing

>>15219788

lol

>>15219788

>The trick lies into fooling /v/ into feeling like the product didn't come from japan

This is why /v/ loves memesouls. It was a shitty incomplete game.

>SMT5 announced

Guess i'll get a switch

>>15219843

I'd wait until the dungeons are confirmed non-casual, at least.

>>15219801

It's been a long time since I played Raidou 2, but I don't remember the ending changing much at all based on the alignment. I don't see how it would lead to such vastly different timelines.

>>15219788

The only time the nips produce anything of quality is when they try to do something western. Absolute fact.

>>15219613

Redux is not so bad.

I was bored and I was expecting absolute shit, what I got was an alright game. Sure, the new character they introduce does not make much sense and it is a dungeon crawler light.

Compared to the original and other smt games.

Also Persona is not a bad game series, sure Persona1 is kinda meh and it's better to buy Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, it has an overall better story and more interesting shit going on. And Persona 2 is pretty damn cool but expect a confusing story in the beginning that kinda makes sense in the 10 hour mark.

Persona 3 starts out light and gets somewhat dark towards the end. But it's a waifub8 the beginning of it anyway, the general fwend simulation is not that bad.

Persona 4 is waifub8 and has fwend simulation but has a comfy small village feel.

Persona 5 is a wtf is going on with a Tokyo feel and major waifub8 with fwend simulator.

>>15219788

>the same way it happened with the seemingly endless dick riding of Hideo Kojima and the Metal Gear Solid franchise

Bitch have you even played an MGS game? The franchies is probably one of the most japanesey media series in existence.

>>15217003

More games need to adopt the mission journal that strange journey uses. I was never lost when I pick this game back up after months of down time since I know exactly which jobs id taken and what my man story goal was. In general if I drop an rpg I feel like I have to start over to remember what was happening. Strange Journey was different in that regard.

>>15220036

I also bought a switch because I was hyped for SMTV.

And Zelda and Octopath Traveler is just a bonus, in general.

>>15220069

>Octopath Traveler

Aren't there major problems with the translation? Like heavy out of place accenting and stale memes being inserted. In the thread on it recently one anon said they hated being only somewhat competent in Nip, because they could tell the English script was almost entirely made up bullshit, but couldn't play comfortably in Japanese.

>>15217747

>Are the books even any good?

No, they are cheesy stories written on BBS forums. Unless you like that sort of thing.

>>15220104

I dunno for now it seems like an original script and one that is semi comfy. I dunno how fucked up the localization is compared to the Japanese version.

That is almost something I would need to investigate, and then see what the Japanese feel about the game.

>>15220036

>imaging that Kaneko is coming back for it

Kaneko vanished from the face of the earth. He must be dead.

>>15219503

Your dislike for the roadblocks are a fair critique. The important reason to dissect is why those roadblocks are placed into the game.

if its a block to stop you from going further until later in the game to segment another area as a high level area or until you get another App ability, that's fine. If they're just used for tedious backtracking for artificial prolongment, it's not fine

Then again, if the roadblock is simply the nature of the genre where it is used as a puzzle piece to solve the area (the block is placed so you go the long way then unlocks as a shortcut when you reach the other end) then perhaps the genre is simply not for you.

>>15220356

>The important reason to dissect is why those roadblocks are placed into the game

The more important thing to consider is why they are roadblocks for you and not other people.

>>15220808

I'm not OP

also, he never defined roadblock. he could be spouting buzzwords as far as we know.

What's the difference between the two Persona 2 games? Which is the one with Hitler?

>>15221229

They are a duology, innocent sin proceeds eternal punishment technically.

>Hitler

You're probably thinking of innocent sin.

>>15219982

I like Persona 1-2 the most when it comes to Persona despite some gameplay elements I don't like (like Persona 2's fucking terrible encounter rate). But my biggest issues with Persona 3-5 is they feel intentionally bloated. Story stuff only happens once a game month on average and it's not often anything too interesting happens anyway. It's always the first month and the last couple that are the most interesting, everything in between is just padded out so you have time for social links. I'm a gameplay > story guy anyway, so if the gameplay itself was interesting it'd be fine, but I don't know, Persona 3-5 just don't hold my attention when I hit a dry spell of plot like SMT does. I think it's probably because SMT games are designed to be gameplay > story.

it's not that good compared to the rest of the serie but it was the first SMT entry for many newcomers. expect bias.

Never play SMT4, vanilla is horrible and apoc is just as bad if not worse if you want to consider the story as gameplay.

I would say even the damn neptunia games are better than SMT4. A random fucking RPG maker game is better than SMT4.

>>15223257

EO is the last good Atlus IP.

>>15223867

Not for long if you look at X, well or it hasn't been if you look at the untolds

>>15223867

EO is unbearable garbage, I tried my best to see what was so good about the game and it shown me nothing worthty of any fun at all.

The last good game atlus made was Persona 5.

>>15223880

this is bait

>>15223257

If you can make it past the absolutely horrendous tutorial which will make you want to punch every single member of the scooby doo gang it's actually a pretty decent game, albeit very, very, grindy and pay2win. This just makes me sad.

>>15223873

What's wrong with X? Also V was good plus EO2U sold like shit.

>>15223995

They completely gutted every class and nerfed every ability

>>15217003

>>15219503

>purse owner faggot whining about muh tedium

Git gud faggot, sage for shit thread.

>>15224023

Sounds bad especially since EO5 has the best classes to date.

>>15224066

They really went ham on nerfing any class from before EO3, 4's got hit decently hard.

For example Protector lost it's party guard ability in exchange for a single turn "damage reduction" on a 6 turn CD

Ronin now can't chain together high level abilities.

>>15219788

>a whole bunch of wholey untrue bullshit based in purseowner faggot insecurity

>>15220069

>defending redux

>he liked retards of the wild

Kill yourself.

I dont know if this is off topic but fuck their mobile game.

>>15224085

Shield Dragoon was one of the weaker classes because of the shitty cooldown. They could've easily reduced it to 1 if they want a penalty for using it.

>>15217393

>obtuse…dungeon crawling

>obtuse anything

bad game design right there

>>15219788

nice dubs

>>15223867

>>15223873

EOV was a disappointment and was the first EO i have ever dropped after it proved to be too boring to finish the last stratum. there's also a bunch of unfinished shit in the game that makes it feel like it was rushed out the door, i.e. the cooking system, which doesn't even have a separate menu system like EOU2 did, but just tacks it onto the existing dialogue system. lazy as fuck. hopefully EOX won't pull the same bullshit, or i'll probably refund it.

>>15224066

>Sounds bad especially since EO5 has the best classes to date.

t. retard who hasn't played any EO before untold

>>15224085

another disappointment then. fuck EO, it's time for the series to die

>>15223257

It's so disappointing. I like most of it save for the fucing mechanics forced onto to be mobile. And Jesus Christ s gachashit cancer. The things they occasionally shove in yor face to buy are shit like Superior Summon File Packs for $30. SSF don't even guarantee a good demon. They have a roughly 95% chance of giving you a shitty three star you ould make on your own. And the fucking aether shit is outrageous. Maybe aether would be worth it boosted stats and unlocked the awakening skill for all demons of the same kind, but this shit is ridiculous.

>>15224050

All you need to do is spam fire spells if I recall correctly. git gud

>>15226860

I remember using Tlaloc to beat it, it was around level 40 with Maragion.

>>15224737

Fucking Christ, I made a lot of typos. I was in a rush.

>>15219743

By general rule, if the setting is in the past, is most likely before SMT1

>>15219801

I thought Devil Survivor 1 was before the first SMT given that at least one of the SMT1 characters make some sort of cameo appearance And from what i know, any cameo appearances are canon… although Dante might bring a debait also, didn't noticed that Trinity Soul happens on 2019

>>15227518

>stick with the demons in that alignment

Yes, that is the point. That said by the end of the game you can completely ignore it. I think it ought to have been more restrictive for that reason.

>>15227518

I bet if there werent any Niggers in the USA there would be near 0% of gun accidents. Shiieeeet there would'nt be even any shootings at all.

Atmosphere, story, and gameplay are all top-quality. I genuinely believe Atlus are the best JRPG makers on the market right now.

>>15227652

>I genuinely believe Atlus are the best JRPG makers on the market right now.

I don't think so, not with the bad remakes of SJ and Radiant Historia.

>>15217393

>requires 3 playthroughs

Huh?

>>15223880

None of the NuPersonas were any good. Fuck that high school sim dating bullshit. Give me a real old school MegaTen.

>>15227652

>nu-Persona

>Anywhere close to a "good" JRPG let alone anywhere near best

Nah

>>15227714

This nigger gets it

I used to think the demons had point in their criticisms of humanity and they kind of do but i realize they are just guilt tripping you like an sjw and are all full of shit

>>15228228

Compared to mainline SMT you're absolutely right but even P1 and 2 are yards better videogames than anything that came after them faggot.

>>15228320

hating new and popular things doesn't make you unique or interesting, Anon.

P1 and P2 are garbage, near unplayable games that don't even hold a candle to P3, 4 and 5.

And no, old games aren't better. SMT 1 and 2 are also trash compared to 3, SJ and so on.

>>15228352

>Being so pathetic you actually believe this unironically

>implying I said all new games are bad and not just the franchise devouring cancer that is Persona post-P2

Christ anon I figured you'd be good at reading considering that's a majority of what you do in P3-5 instead of actual gameplay or did you just skip those parts so you could get to the empty ego-stroking and sycophantic substituting of your own pathetic social life?

>>15228404

>waaah old games good!

>new games baaaad!

Yeah you just sound like some whiny faggot nostalgiatard.

It was a good thing that Persona became its own separate thing instead of just staying like a shitty rehash of the mainline.

>>15228415

Oh you're just an immature child with the argument skills of someone that would be into something like Persona I guess I should have known.

>>15228433

epic downvote, friend :^)

>>15228352

Are you a woman?

>A lot of people told me to play this instead of SMTIV

/v/ underrates SMT IV. It's not as good as 3, and arguably not as good as Strange Journey, but it's still a good game and worth a playthrough.

Give it a shot, first few hours are legitimately bad, but the game gets a lot better once you reach Tokyo.

>>15228447

I refuse to play gatchashit but all my friends are playing it right now and the soundtrack is pretty good. I can only hope SMT V is a return to form for the whole series though.

>>15228455

I agree with your point about getting to Tokyo but from there the game kind of plateaus and never gets much better or worse from there it's an odd feeling. Haven't tried 4A yet because I heard it still has the Smirk System which is just the worst. Also fucking Beelzebub.

>>15228455

I disagree, SMT4 is awful the entire way through and only has sections that are "less horrible" rather than "good game".

The writing is pathetically bad, and the game mechanics are a step back from every other SMT. Shit they even fucked up the art by having two very clashing styles together

>>15228475

Not true, I can at least name one very good part where you have to fight Bobo, and she kills herself at the end because she doesn't want her death on your hands

>>15228485

No because that part is a fight, and as we established earlier the gameplay is abysmal. That fight also has absolutely no reason to end like that because you murder thousands of people before and after. In fact all the characters had no reason to exist and the archtypes were all done better by earlier games in the same damn series

>>15228470

Yeah, you're right about the quality plateau, but I thought it was at least good enough to play through once. There are some cool bits like going through the possible futures Maybe the game is painfully bad on repeat playthroughs, I don't know.

From what I played of 4A smirk seems to be mostly fixed, it now adds a bonus effect to some skills instead of guaranteeing a critical and you can manipulate it a bit more.

>>15228502

This is ridiculous hyperbole, like most of the complaints

The atmosphere is on point, music is fantastic, and the gameplay is at least decent. The mechanics are fundamentally the same as SMT3, with a few design mistakes and extra rough edges, but they're nowhere near bad enough to call the game 'awful'. A handful of bosses have horrible designs, the art is otherwise fine, the character and environment design is even pretty good.

It's the worst mainline, for sure, but nowhere near the worst game in the greater series. SMT IV falls victim to the prevailing mentality on /v/ that a game is either great, or it's shit. Woe to those that fall short while still doing some things well.

>>15228652

I thought at first that the crew ended up dooming humanity and ended up in the future to look at the mess they've made

I was disappointed when I found out you just go back to Tokyo.

>>15228652

>functionally the same as SMT3

<SMT4 had the smirk system

<SMT4 had no vitality stat meaning defense wasn't a thing

<Hurr it's the same as a good game

Alright you are retarded aren't you. It does absolutely nothing redeemable. It's hands down one of the worst JRPGs I've ever played and I play a ton of those shits. The music ranges from garbage to "alright", they even fuck up the fiend music.

>Atmosphere is on point

In what world is the atmosphere even passable, the changes from dungeon to dungeon make no sense, and the entire reality warping thing right before the lock was one of the worst design choices I've seen in a game. Not to mention the design of the areas themselves was bland and uninspired.

>>15228714

> they even fuck up the fiend music

Alright now this is just straight bullshit

>>15228714

>It's hands down one of the worst JRPGs I've ever played and I play a ton of those shits.

Fair enough that's subjective.

>The music ranges from garbage to "alright", they even fuck up the fiend music.

The music is probably the best thing about IV though it's pretty damn good and I'd wager some of the tracks are up there with the best in the series. Say what you want about the rest of it but the soundtrack is pretty damn good.

>>15228735

That screaming was around in Nocturne.

I've only ever played Nocturne in the series, back when it wasn't considered a difficulty memegame. Should I play the old Strange Journey for DS, next?

>>15219972

This.

Western stuff is dumb and bland.

Eastern stuff is usually weebtrash.

But when East and West combine, we do get the best of both worlds. The creativity and unconventional thinking of the East blends together with sensible Western writing and a more nuanced portrayal of characters.

This is when you get… a masterpiece.

>>15229138

t. goonswarm

>>15228714

>having no defense stat is bad

Why?

>>15228726

literally perfect at least thematically

>>15228726

>>15217003

>he never got a level 6 pixie with Megidolaon and Salvation

Faggot.

>>15228455

>arguably not as good as Strange Journey

>arguably

SJ is better than it in every way.

so apparently Louisa Cipher is the mother of Alex and apparently its hinted at it but i never seen anything that hints it.

>>15219754

>Got a link to a good Let's Play?

How would you feel, if I told you that a goon LP site of all things is the one that has a good LP? There's a sole GameFAQ LP as well, but I don't know how good it actually is. At least 2nd LP has passwords for demons, if you manage to get yourself stuck. You'll need lots of Macca for that, however. But it shouldn't be a problem, because it's not hard to earn lots of money in this game.

>>15228352

>P1 and P2 are garbage, near unplayable games that don't even hold a candle to P3, 4 and 5.

I played P5. It was fucking trash. All style and no substance. I think >>15228440 is on the right track.

>>15229210

because it means that you don't care about anything other than damage, and you basically just look for ways to one turn kill bosses. It's a very real problem in SMT4, and they only "fixed" it in apoc by adding in damage gates to more bosses.

In addition it makes any demons without very set skills/stats degrade instantly into fodder. "Oh this demon has a balanced stat spread, into the trash it goes".

>>15228352

> near unplayable games

So unplayable that I beat the first one in elementary school.

>>15228352

>P1 and P2 are garbage, near unplayable games that don't even hold a candle to P3, 4 and 5.

This is bizarre to see and contrarian if I've ever seen it. Persona 1 is a rough game for sure, trying to blend a lot of new ideas while retaining aspects of the dungeon crawling of the mainline games. It's experimental but I can't be mad at it since it's a fine game itself.

Persona 2 is what happens when they better understand what they want to change. We lose the tactical grid, focus on party synergy and spell fusions, and the story takes a greater place in the narrative as opposed to how FPDungeon crawlers usually handle their plots in sparse increments. This is the game where Persona decided to be more story oriented than the mainline titles.

Persona 3 is exactly what it was advertised as, a divergence from the previous games, introducing the social link as an explicit means of developing the cast. But because it takes the silent protagonist and puts them on a mechanical pedistal by only allowing them to swap persona you immediately see the trend of making these bland, self insert, Modern anime-esque protagonists. Say what you will about Maya and Tatsuya but the game gave each of them a distinctive personality both when they were silent protagonists, or regular party members. But much like P1, I can't hate Persona 3 because it's trying to experiment so any rough edges are more forgivable and I genuinely liked that entry despite it's length and the lackluster dungeon.

Persona 4 is when Atlus realized they had a money machine and it doubles down on being an after school special. Both as a plot and as a game. They strip out a lot of the complexity of the system and the loss of the ability to use status effects on Bosses is the single biggest change I absolutely loathe in the Persona titles. Not only does this mean people like Naoto who cannot change persona, but also have movesets based around instant death, but other characters who get status moves basically get thrown in the bin at the end of a dungeon. Something else that wasn't as egregious in P3 but really stuck out in P4 is the slow drip of party members throughout the game. Both with P4 and P5 I hated that you were still getting new party members 2/3 through the game and Haru suffers from this in P5 despite the game basically streamlining Akechi for you when he arrives. Persona 4 is just busy work and bloat.

Persona 5 is two steps in the right direction and 3 in the wrong. Party tactics like swapping members helps alleviate some of the burden of party inflexibility. But it's gated in a social link not available until maybe 1/2 or 1/3 through the game. Baton Pass is a great incentive to use weaknesses and plan your party out, but because you have to unlock it first it means that when you get a new party member they can't synergize as well with the team until as early as the post dungeon free-time. For Haru I think it was two dungeons until you could even start her social link (Okumuro + Sai). Social links in general have just proven to be a dead end with it's current design. No way to reverse them, there are too many, and the stories attached to most are really fucking boring. It would be better if they shrank the number of social links and made them plot relevant with better incentives than negotiation perks or discounts at shops.

But I'll keep the rest short. I think the series peaked with P2 and Persona 3 was an interesting experiment that's ultimately failed. But nu-Altus also lost their teeth so I can't expect them to write stories as well as they did up to the PS2 generation (excluding P4) and I can't expect them to design challenging games anymore. Persona 5 could have been great but it was held back by safe decisions to keep the money rolling by appealing to the same crowd that will hoover up P5DAN and buy the anime blu-rays.

>Wonder what MAG is for

>Unlike exp and macca, it doesn't drop with every fight

>Decreases with movement

>Wonder what happens when it hits zero

>Hits zero

>Suddenly all my demons are dying

>And am on the bottom floor of Daedalus

Fuck.

>>15220808

>>15220874

I'm OP. Perhaps I should've said time wasters. Having roadblocks in a game is fine, it wouldn't be fun otherwise, but when you add roadblocks to the roadblocks, and boring ones at that like "Collect 4 things by going back to these maps you already went through," then it's just a slog.

Anyone try the phone game bullshit? Decentish but too many tutorials and only fun modes are secondary modes. The support character gun autist girl deserves to be in a normal game though as she is /k/-the-devil-summoner-girl.

>>15236332

The story is completely bad. There's all this death and murder going on but no one seems to give a single shit. That said, some of the cast are alright.

>gun autist is okay

>youtuber is okay (and seems to be the only one who actually gives a shit)

>lesbian badhair is actually okay despite being annoying at the beginning

>Chalk Eater more like cock eater amirite is utterly bland

>MUSCLE CHING CHONG is just there to be homobait

>idol girl is ABSOLUTELY the worst character of the bunch, a mary sue with an unlikeable trash personality

>fat merc is a pretty good guy

The main issue I have now after a few days of play is the difficulty spikes. I'm facing mobs that are 6* max level already, and it's been less than a week since the game came out. The only solution to get around this is to

a) grind out the right demons to beat that particular battle (which takes a lot more effort than a usual SMT title)

b) out-grind the enemy in terms of level (also needs a lot of effort)

c) draw 5*s from the gacha

which leads me to believe it's not worth my time to continue.

>>15217003

I thought this was finally going to be a thread about how Strange Journey is too easy, which is what really set in the tedium for me near the end.

>>15236366

What am I looking for here? All I've heard about X is that some classes and abilities got nerfed, which wins the "fucking DUH" award from me because no shit they're going to be nerfed if the game is going to have almost all of them together and not be broken from the get go.

>>15228735

You're probably the only person I've ever heard say bad things about SMTIV music. The OST exceeded my expectations even as I hated the game more and more for not having a single dungeon past the intro one.

>>15236505

>those designs

Two of them look like they belong in a QUALITY thread and they're not even fucking animated.

>>15236479

>>MUSCLE CHING CHONG is just there to be homobait

More like fujobait.

>>idol girl is ABSOLUTELY the worst character of the bunch, a mary sue with an unlikeable trash personality

Jesus Christ it's P5's Makoto all over again. As soon as she joins the group everyone goes full retard just so she looks smarter by comparison.

>>fat merc is a pretty good guy

He's a fucking otaku stereotype that loves that stupid "smart" idol bitch. He has a mercenary background that hardly has any effect on his behavior in comparison to the good goy otaku shit he has going on. He also looks like a fucking queer.

>b) out-grind the enemy in terms of level (also needs a lot of effort)

Good luck with that. Max level for your demons is 50 as far as I can tell. The highest level enemies I can see are level 55 at that end of Chapter 5 Hard. Enemies at the end of Ch6 are 50. I'm willing to bet Ch6 Hell gets all the way up to level 70 awakened demons with extra custom skills. You'd need a team of 5 star rarity max level awakened 6 stars with high tier custom skill only transferable from other 5 star rarity demons all decked out with max level 6 star brands to do that shit considering the level difference. Oh, and good support demons from other high tier players.

>>15236165

You're going to have a great time in the Sea of Flames.

>>15236529

Yeah, and the grind is pretty tedious so I'm thinking of dropping it. A couple of my friends seem interested so I'll keep playing if they do, but ehhh.

>>15236509

I'm going to assume that he's either bitching about the word "binary" because he thinks that SJWs invented it, or he's bitching about the character names which, I assume, are a reference to something.

If you really wanted to complain about EO spiralling downward, there are a few better things. Princes and princesses in EOX get to essentially choose their pronouns. The Untold games completely sold out and tried to attract the general retard audience by abandoning series foundations that explicitly were put there on purpose. Tons of DLC, including P2W garbage. They abandoned the imagination thing to jump aboard the voice actor train to appeal to normalfags. EO5 has at least one side quest where you set up an interracial marriage and convince the unhappy father to accept it.

>All I've heard about X is that some classes and abilities got nerfed, which wins the "fucking DUH" award from me because no shit they're going to be nerfed if the game is going to have almost all of them together and not be broken from the get go.

It isn't so much that some things got nerfed, it's that some classes got nerfed while others got away scot free or even buffed. One class in particular got huge changes to how it works, to the point where it doesn't even resemble its old self. It's even dumber because it now shares a niche with another gimmick class even more. Some classes got excessively pigeonholed. Also they brought back the awful level locked skills from EO4, which leaves some classes pretty much useless until level 40.

>>15236811

>he's either bitching about the word "binary" because he thinks that SJWs invented it

First thing I thought too. Fucking clownworld. Sounds like legitimate complaints re: the rest of your post, how are the dungeons and FOE interactions in general? Good maps are the reason I like EO/PQ anyway, nothing else seems to want to stray far enough from Wizardry to be interesting.

>>15236811

>Princes and princesses in EOX get to essentially choose their pronouns.

First I heard of this. What do you mean by that?

>The Untold games completely sold out and tried to attract the general retard audience by abandoning series foundations that explicitly were put there on purpose.

Boy that backfired, EO2U bombed. Despite that there are people that want an EO3U.

>Tons of DLC, including P2W garbage.

EO2U was especially bad about this. V and now X dialed that shit back to just P2W which isn't important.

>They abandoned the imagination thing to jump aboard the voice actor train to appeal to normalfags.

VAs are really unnecessary and is a waste of dev resources.

>Some classes got excessively pigeonholed. Also they brought back the awful level locked skills from EO4, which leaves some classes pretty much useless until level 40.

Actually from what I heard the unlocks are 10 and 20 rather than 20 and 40.

>>15236853

>V and now X dialed that shit back to just P2W

>which isn't important

Fuck off

>>15236509

>What am I looking for here?

The official trailer using names from Homestuck.

>>15237273

How would you even know that?

>>15236853

>First I heard of this. What do you mean by that?

Don't know about EOX, but back in EOIII the Sovereign class was called Prince/ss in the japanese script. Maybe that's making it's way over the the english translation this iteration?

>>15237331

>not researching your enemies to find their codewords

Anything to take down Pedostuck.

I don't normally touch mobage, so I don't know shit about this. SMT Liberation forces always online, but not all of it's function require it to be online. Is everything actually done server side, or is it just constantly running checks to prevent cheating? How likely is it that someone will release a modified version that can run offline and circumvent the gachashit?

>>15239970

Even without the gachashit aspect the game is incredibly grindy and more importantly, not very fun. It would need a pretty big overhaul to be playable long term.

>>15217003

>Oh, get this shit, but to get this shit you need this other shit, but to get that other shit, you need to run around and gather 3 other turds, then do it all over again.

I hope you never play Planescape Torment or Ultima VII

>>15239997

I don't know about Ultima VII, but do not even dare compare PST to this game. In PST you can tackle any quest in any way you want to, and even if you don't take the fastest route to complete said quest, the amount of freedom PST gives you to do everything (If you have the stats) is what makes it fun. SMT:SJ just wastes your time with padding, padding and more padding, and it's not even challenging padding.

>>15229138

>weebtrash

>ellipses to make your faggoty post sound smart and profound

Leave >>>/reddit/

>>15240024

>>15239997

Forgive the double posting, but since you mentioned Ultima VII. Which version is the best to play? Is the Snes version any good or should I go with good old PC?

>>15222806

I just finished P5 recently and felt that way, too. I like the idea of their being a structured time limit but it basically meant nothing since you could practically steamroll through the dungeons in 1-2 days; you ended up with a whole month where you're just waiting for the dungeon's time-limit to go down since there's little better to do.

I played in on hard and the first palace admittedly took me a few days since MP was scarce, and so I had to retreat a few times, but the rest of the game was pretty much a breeze

>>15240031

>Is the Snes version any good

HA HA HA NO YOU FUCKING FAG

http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/SNES-Port_of_Ultima_VII

Play the PC version, either in DOSBOX or with Exult.

>>15240055

Even if you ran out of time, it wasn't even game over.

>>15240083

Thanks.

>>15241059

What happens when time runs out?

>>15241200

It sets you back a week and tells you "you fucked up, do better"

>>15244328

>his Teal Awakening covers his crippling physical weakness.

He's still weak to ice and his teal awakening only adds phys resist. Pazuzu nulls two elements off the bat and teal pazuzu awakens to null light. Just need a second Odin to give him Ice resist and he'll be set.

>fuse a Teal Feng Huang

How the hell do you fuse an archetype?

Fuckign shit game is soft locking after every fight now.

>>15244328

>>15236505

I spent 30 bucks and got a pazuzu instead of a 5star, Realized i cant fuse gacha demons with each other even if they have the same color. I'm blind with rage right now.

>>15244387

i happen to be an expert on this subject because of my rage. First summon a gacha demon who has the color teal/light blue. Then Fuse that teal gacha demon with a clear/black demon. Your new demon has a teal color as well, keep fusing demons till you get fen Huang.

YOU CANNOT FUSE demons who have colors with each other it must be CLEAR.

>>15244387

>Fuckign shit game is soft locking after every fight now.

Yeah the servers are on fire, at least we'll probably get more apologems and free stamina pots

>How the hell do you fuse an archetype?

Clear + Clear = Clear

Clear + Color = Color

Basically you take the shitty fodder 3*s you get from the gacha with Superior Summon Tickets (which aside from events, black market, etc. can also be found as drops from random battles in the Aura Gate) with the color you want and fuse them into something good. Also protip unless you're desperate it's normally a very bad idea to fuse 4* or above demons into lower rarities, as you're cheating yourself out of a shitload of MAG.

>He's still weak to ice and his teal awakening only adds phys resist. Pazuzu nulls two elements off the bat and teal pazuzu awakens to null light. Just need a second Odin to give him Ice resist and he'll be set.

It's a pretty tight race as to which demon is better, and with enough investment Pazuzu can indeed be more powerful, but Feng Huang costs peanuts to fuse while Pazuzu is a massive investment both to fuse and to awaken.

For the record, Teal is mediocre for Pazuzu because an extra Null is less valuable than something like Samerecarm. Teal is only good if the skill it gives you removes a weakness.

>>15244446

>whaling on a game with 0.5% 5* rates

>not just buying MAG packs instead if you're gonna waste money

At least you learned a lesson. If it makes you feel better, even shitty gacha demons can be used as fodder, especially 4* gacha demons as those save you a ton of MAG if you use them for fusion instead of making everything from scratch.

At least your Pazuzu has a decent color… right?

>>15225129

after outleveling it by 5 with a full party of alignment-aligned fire casters, yeah.

Then you fight asura again in the next sector, with his 'make half or 75% of your team unusable for 6 turns every 6 turns' move, except defending randomly doesn't actually help unlike in the original game so you're rolling the dice for a party wipe each time he does that. I guess you could grind another two hours for three overpowered ice casting demons but, you know, alignments.

>>15244507

Its Red. Why do you think im enraged.

It was one of the special deals you get for completing the story, mag,macca,gems, and a ultimate summon file. That said you had 10 times more chance to summon a 5 star.

>>15244446

>I spent 30 bucks

>On gachashit

Fucking neck yourself.

>>15244651

its the price, i was willing to put down and not a cent more. I went into it with those those thoughts and ill stand by it. Nothing not even 10 free 4 stars will make me spend money again.

>>15244446

>I spent 30 bucks

I spent zero bucks and got Mara.

>>15244507

>but Feng Huang costs peanuts to fuse while Pazuzu is a massive investment both to fuse and to awaken

Well I got Pazuzu from a superior summon file, but awakening him is a bitch. I find it well worth it to add another null element though.

Is there any other way to get parchment besides dropping a ton of a gems on featured sommonings that are essentially the same as a regular superior sommoning? You can only get five from frogs. And what's with wanted quests being rare as fuck limited to only a few three star demons? Took forever to for the first one to show up and all I got was a disposable Makami. I already had a common and a teal.

https://aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/dx2/demons

Useful site.

>>15244694

>Foreskin fused to the shaft

Life is suffering.

>>15244507

I also think base 4 stars have better starting stats and stat growth than three stars but I'm not sure. Does evolving increase base stats and stat growth, or just reset level and raise the level cap?

>>15245115

On average demons with higher base rarity will have better stats as whole but there are exceptions. Usually good lower rarity demons will excel in at least a couple stats though. Feng for instance has high speed and luck, Baphomet has good magic, and Ose has high attack.

Jesus Christ the Dx2 missions are hell. Right off the bat, a full set of awakened level 45s with pierce, including an Alice.

>>15245170

>Ose has high attack.

I've noticed the most recent "pvp" champ and first person to break into the highest rank at 2300 points has a level 50 Elementalist Ose with null phys. I've also noticed on the site I listed here >>15244730 that there's a completely different set of moves for each archetype if you're using paid gems to play the gacha lottery. From what's listed, most of the gacha archetype skills seem worse to me.

>>15245793

It's pretty retarded because not all the Dx2 missions are that difficult. Badhair Lesbian's ones are an auto-able cakewalk, for example.

Whatever. I'm still of the opinion that the game's grind isn't fun enough to justify it.

>>15245833

>Badhair Lesbian's ones are an auto-able cakewalk

Are you saying the enemy setup is less unforgiving, or that other Dx2's missions aren't level 45?

>>15245843

Both. I've unlocked the MC's one, which is the Alice you're talking about, as well as gun autists' (which is also pretty tough). Maybe Badhair's mission is the outlier.

>>15245793

Summoned demons don't have completely different movesets, they have 1 additional skill in one of their transferable slots. All teal Oses get null phys after awakening even if you fuse one.

>>15245793

>>15246123

>>15246254

Nevermind I'm fucking retarded.

>>15246254

The bonus skills don't care if the pull is from a ticket, paid gems, free gems or anything else. The only thing that matters is it is from the gacha in some form. In this example madness is trash for Ose in any case. He wants a good single target phys attack and either bloody glee or phys boost so you would replace the gacha skill That said some of the gacha skills are really good and it is a bullshit system.

>Final goal for enhancement training 3

>Level a demon to level 45

>Odin hits level 45 through autoquest

>Goal not fulfilled

What the fuck and why? This shit better be fixed after maintenence. Also, has anyone sacrificed a Lucifer on the altar memetics to create a Pixie with megidolaon yet? Has anyone sacrificed the six necessary to level the skill to max?

>>15246335

>That said some of the gacha skills are really good and it is a bullshit system.

I say the money and low RNG is bullshit, but I like how the RNG can force you to work with what your given and how it help keeps the "pvp" meta in constant flux. I think it'd be decent if it was reworked to not take real money and make gems significantly more plentiful.

>>15246379

>final goal for enhancement training 3

>level a demon to 45

Oh thank fuck you let me know, my Sandalphon is 42 but I don't have that training yet and they're not retroactive. I'll rush my current one first.

>has anyone sacrificed a Lucifer on the altar memetics to create a Pixie with megidolaon yet?

Yes, but on the JP version

>Has anyone sacrificed the six necessary to level the skill to max?

Fuck no, you'd use the red magatamas for that. Your next questions are "What the fuck are those?" and "How do you get them?" The answer is check Hell Park.

>>15245843

The devs were cheeky. Prior to 1.4 which added the limit breaks and buffed the shit out of the weaker Dx2s, there was a very rigid meta of MC for EXP farming, Templar Dragon for all remotely challenging content. Since they're still top tier, they also have much harder LB quests.

>>15246861

> Your next questions are "What the fuck are those?" and "How do you get them?" The answer is check Hell Park.

Nice prediction, except I've already looked at the rewards for Hell Park.

>>15246861

>Oh thank fuck you let me know, my Sandalphon is 42 but I don't have that training yet and they're not retroactive.

I'm not sure if it was autoquesting that made it not count, or if you have to get the final level from enhancement or some stupid bullshit that isn't clearly explained. Luckily I can keep testing since I already have three other evolved 5 stars.

Quick tip. Leveling mission in chapter two has Melchom. Melchom fuses with several other low grade demons to make a 3 star Horus which you can use for 4 star evolution fodder far more cheaply by a massive margin than fusing 4 stars. A good combo to make Horus is Melchom + Sandman, and Sandman can be gotten fromthe leveling mission in chapter 3.

>>15247835

>using horus as a base for evolve fodder

Mag is a far greater limiting factor than exp. What you really want to do is use 2* demons and evolve them. It takes more time but saves precious mag.

>>15248490

About 8000 mag a 3*. It takes 16 3* to evolve a 4* to 5*, for 128000 mag. 4 3* must be leveled to 35.

Insignificant mag for a 2*. But it takes 48 2* to a evolve a 4* to 5*. 4 3* must be leveled to 35 and 16 2* have to be leveled to 30.

>>15248566

When you need millions for fusing a 5* every little bit counts. Keep in mind 6* is the max rarity so that would be 640k mag using the Horus method to upgrade from 5*.

Man, supporter Sandalphon can solo these light aether quests. What are the best demons for solo autoquesting the aether quests. I got Sandalphon for light and Pazuzu for dark.

>aether gain is doubled temporarily

>Do strange signal law difficulty 9

>Forneus can solo it with ice drain

>Leave phone on charger

>Come back the next day

>Energy was apparently recharging faster than it was being used

>20+ Law aether L

>60+ Law aether M

>>15252237

I'm not spending any money. I just have autism.

>>15244672

>its the price, i was willing to put down and not a cent more

No anon. Any amount of money spent on gachashit is too much. It's a matter of principle.

>>15224233

>bad game design right there

That's the whole point of a dungeon crawler whether it's pen and paper or vidya, there are many treasures and mysteries that await you but you must figure that shit out yourself. Strange Journey is actually pretty forgiving in this regard.

i want to fuck pixie

>>15253714

What about Hua Po

>>15253945

She's okay. Bit of a bitch.

>>15253945

definitely

>Kyūyaku Megami Tensei

>Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei

>Get Cerberus

>Only level 10

>104 HP, 20 vit, 9 in all other stats

>Knows recarm

Why the hell is there such a huge power difference between my level 9s and this one level 10?

>>15228726

I miss Nirasawa and his art.

>>15228566

Too many to pick, but Jack Frost, Pyro Jack, Ose, Forneus, Harlot, and Arahabaki stand out for me.

>>15236505

I'm on chapter 3, and they seem pretty blunt with the murders (I'm halfway through 3 through). It would be cool if you can use the Russian priest or Himika because the other characters are kind of annoying (and the main character is a cunt).

>>15236479

I'm on the fence with this game, but I feel like spending money on it is a waste. It's way too grindy, and you don't get a lot of items to boost experience and energy to keep playing. Learning you have to go by colors to fuse and make decent demons doesn't sound fun at all tbh.

>>15239996

Sega was involved with this game. Don't expect much. Gachas like Valkyrie Connect are still unplayable shit, and Asian developers refuse to understand why no one wants to play and spend money on an outdated version of their game.

>>15239996

I'd replace all real money purchases with gems. Make gems more plentiful. Replace the gems in any real money purchase with various other things. Add in a levelable reroll function for summons to make the RNG far more forgiving with up to nine rerolls at endgame max level. Allow the fusing of two colored archetypes to make an archetype of either color of the player's choosing. Maybe some other stuff.

>>15258039

Also add some way of changing the archetype of demons. Different variants of the same unit are cancer in gacha games but at least being able to grind out a fix helps.

>>15258207

I'd also make fusion much cheaper for 4* and 5* demons. Right now 4* is a around 150000+ MAG and 5* is 1500000+ MAG. I'd cut these down to say around 1/10 of their current price. Combine that with the ability to fuse two different archetypes and the rerolling, and I think it would be much easier to get the archetype you want both by random chance and by fusion.

>>15258251

And maybe a way to fuse fiends and heros too.

>>15258280

I assume them being unfusable isn't necessarily just to incentivize spending real money, but also part of the game's balance. So I'd make them multi-fusions requiring many high tier demons. Probably reduce the MAG cost of multi fusions too since like with the 8000 MAG to 150000 MAG jump that exists when going from fusing 3* to 4*, the highest 3* multi-fusion and lowest 4* multi-fusion makes a giant fucking jump from 15000 MAG to 200000 MAG. I'd cut all 4* and highest multi-fusions down to 1/10 and make the Fiend and Hero mult-fusions the new highest priced ones. I'd also make selling demons other than Slime give a minimum of 1 Karma. All demons ever owned would be available for karma, but only the archtypes you've owned, and summoning non-common archetype demons would cost more. Oh, and upgrading brands past lv. 9 would no longer involve RNG, and to balance it, it would simply cost more. Unlike other things involving RNG like the gachashit, brand upgrading is a pure black hole with zero return if you don't roll the right numbers. Haven't finished the Aura Gate labyrinth, but if it doesn't exist, I'd add a random shop that occasionally appears with better and better stock the deeper you get.

>>15217003

Can someone spoonfeed me a bit and explain why Redux is bad? I’m playing through it right now and I’m enjoying it so far, but I never played the original so I don’t have a reference point and I’m not very far in yet, only at the supermarket. Is the new character really that bad? I feel they’re mostly ignorable so far since they only showed up a couple of minutes each time. Also is it true that Redux made the game easier? I always liked how much harder SMT was compared to persona and other modern day casual bs, but if Redux is easier then original then that’s a major disappointment to me. I don’t really care if the art or endings changed since I play games for the gameplay and not the muh deep story or the pretty pictures.

I don't know about you guys, but Dx2's frog event is pretty shitty. Rewards suck either because you don't get enough of them, or they're not worth using the frogs you can get from missions.

>>15264338

It's massively easier and the new content clashes with the old to the point of invalidating the old endings. It has worse art too.

>>15227698

If you don't get all endings to a game, you didn't really beat the game.

That said, I suppose you could cheese it by loading a save at the critical decision point. That's casual as fuck, though.

>>15264351

The Radiant Historia remake did the same thing. You're better off playing the originals when it comes to those games.

>>15229284

I think the Shin Megami Tensei MMORPG had something like that, also for some odd reason i remember demons on strange journey mocking you for trying to date them (while negotiating) instead of a human woman

>>15264607

There was also that whole quest line in SJ where you try to hook up one of your crewmates with demon lolis.

>>15264645

Poor rewards was only half of what made that system so bad. A ton of demons would give quests that could only be completed by players with crafting skills. Being a crafter completely gimped that character's combat ability, so the demon quests for a lot of demon races were useless to a massive portion of players.

Keep going.

The Personafag cries as he spams the thread.

>>15265000

>he needs jihad to beat meme aleph

go make a persona 5 thread or something

>>15265011

>Fucking suck a shotgun, you stupid illiterate Italian nigger.

Don't be mad at me your babby spinoff series is easy trash

>>15265017

<tedious nonsense for tryhard bitches.

git gud

>>15264993

>Ok. You feel superior on some level because you can lower yourself to fucking beat your head against a virtual wall.

I have played none of the games you've mentioned. I just asked you to keep going. You really like reading into things that aren't there.

You know, I used to think the personafag thing was a meme.

Used to.

>>15265027

turn based RPGs are one of the easiest genre of video games, only brain dead cuckchanners like you can't beat a SMT game

>>15265029

You have him beat with over double the amount of posts, so you look overall worse the more you reply back.

>>15265051

Then I aim to look the worst.

>>15264891

>>15264896

>>15264995

>>15265008

>>15265014

>>15265021

>Missed the Personafag chimping out

What a shame

>>15264175

>Is the sequel complete shit?

No, but end day bosses are complete bullshit even for SMT standards.

Also game atmosphere is way different and its characters are less likeable than in previous one.

>>15265679

>end day bosses are complete bullshit even for SMT standards.

They were easy as fuck. Was it your first megaten or something? The only bullshit part was how they were not demons.

I've only played Persona 3, and I didn't like it very much. I found it was just generic random battles where I occasionally had to find an elemental weakness, plus shitty social sim crap.

I keep seeing people say SMT is on a whole different level from other RPGs and that it wipes the floor with them, but when I try to look up the difference, people say they're extremely similar apart from tone and social aspects.

What's the big difference and why do some people call SMT a masterpiece if it's supposedly so similar to Persona according to others? Are the people who can't spot the differences just idiots?

>>15265713

>>15255610

This just makes me want to play EO.

>>15265679

>but end day bosses are complete bullshit even for SMT standards

Not really. They are pretty easy because by the time you get to them you the game expects you to have parties with infinite MP and attacking characters that can wipe out multiple demons per turn.

>>15265688

>Was it your first megaten or something?

No. But DDS was only one I completed.

>The only bullshit part was how they were not demons.

Agreed.

>>15265743

I meant bosses you fight on end of every day.

Like that exploding blob or wing boss with bombs.

>>15265712

>What's the big difference and why do some people call SMT a masterpiece if it's supposedly so similar to Persona according to others?

They have similar gameplay, but that's where it ends.

>Are the people who can't spot the differences just idiots?

Yes.

>>15265712

>What's the big difference and why do some people call SMT a masterpiece if it's supposedly so similar to Persona according to others?

SMT is for western edgy neckbeards who are too grown up for pokemon while Persona is for otaku waifufags. They're both piss-easy RPG franchises, neither are "better" despite what SMT and Personafags may lead you to believe.

>>15252107

What was Forneus' setup? Any specific archetype and inherited skills?

>>15264351

theres nothing wrong with new content being added into an old game when you can just ignore the new content. seeing Zelienin and Jimenez get their humanity back after they turn into monsters is nice

>>15265868

Regular Forneus. I think I gave him zanma and hamaon. He was awakened to resist his electric weakness. Some magic boosting brands. His ice drain keeps him going until the end 9 times out of 10. Game got too tedious for me to continue though. I got Oberon's Mahamarin Karinon to 80% chance of inflicting charm. Now that it works more of the time, nearly all enemies seem come out of charm on the turn it's inflicted, essentially making them immune. Gay as shit.

>>15267423

Oh, and I got him to 5 star.

>>15266012

>you can just ignore new content

You are still forced to interact with the Marie of the game and near the end of it if you are not on one of the new routes it basically screams at you that you are doing things wrong.

>seeing Zelienin and Jimenez get their humanity back after they turn into monsters is nice

Go play persona if you want bullshit like that.

>>15229284

>>>/hgg/232065

>>15219417

No u

>>15267479

Yeah your forced to interact with her by KILLING her. You get to KILL the Marie of the game and your saying that like its a bad thing.

>>15267642

You should not even have to acknowledge her existence. The game is also way easier than the original.

>>15267656

if you think its too easy then put it on hard mode and you get an even harder mode when you beat that game.

>>15267712

you dont lose when the MC dies because

YOU equipped the sub app that stops game over when the MC dies. unequip the sub app so you can have game over when the MC dies again

Is someone seriously trying to justify redux in this thread?

>>15267732

Sub apps no longer cost anything to equip either. Never mind the new commander skills that break the game.

>>15267751

if you dont want to use it you dont have to equip it

>>15267786

>Just ignore shit parts of the game

How about I just ignore the shit game and play the better original.

I dropped DDS:MT I after beating Medusa because going through Valhalla got boring. I'm enjoying DDS:MT II more, but I'm stuck now. Pazuzu wants me to kill the witch in Tokyo tower, who has supposedly been helping people, but there's a barrier around the tower. The only place I might be able to go that I don't think I've gone now requires the water seal. Some old fart who I think was in Roppongi will give it to me if I bring him a sexy demon, but I have no idea which one he wants and it's not Harpy.

>>15269305

You can't get the seal until you deal with the witch.

>>15269356

Then I guess I don't know where the fuck to go. Putting nearly all points into strength for the MC and intellect for his friend was a good idea though. Being balanced in the first game was boring. Now can I either punch shit to death or burn it to ashes. Maragima kills nearly everything.

>>15269371

Looks like there is a tunnel somewhere where you can get an item that might help.

>>15269376

Wait, can I use the Ring of Solomon in front of Tokyo Tower? I wouldn't have even guessed.

>>15269395

Do you have Orthus?

>>15269408

Yes. Pazuzu doesn't pester you about the witch until you get him I think.

>>15269418

Go to the tower with him in the active party.

>>15269425

Well shit. Thanks. I would have wandered in circles forever without figuring that out probably.

>>15217003

Maybe SMT IV: Apocalypse is more up your sleeve?

>>15219613

Lighting on the metal armor is better on redux, but everything else is better on the original, the face is better and the shadows make the seems look to angular in the new art. That said, they redid the art with the same artist so he got paid proper unlike western devs which would have shat on the art to enhance it and snub the artist.

>>15264175

>Is the sequel complete shit? I remember I played it a long time ago and dropped it, I definitely wasn't enjoying it as much as enjoyed this one

Not complete shit but definitely no where near as fun, The Aliens appearance are alien to SMT, makes the game weird and the story is pretty bland at the end of the day.

>>15258547

>>15258251

>MAG Boost for two weeks

>Decide to farm aura gate

>1 hour for 18k Mag

>Need 3mil more for my Cu Chulainn(purple)

Ist there a better way to get mag because this ridiculous

>>15270324

Spend your gems on the magnetite packs.

>>15270573

already did that then used em all up on creating the required 4 stars.

>>15272487

I hope you weren't fusing a bunch of common+color ones because that would be a waste unless you know what you want.

>STATUS

>LOSARM

Is this supposed to be avoided? Or do I just go to cyber labs and get a fancier better cyborg arm?

>>15274261

That is exactly what you.

>>15217003

>Oh, get this shit, but to get this shit you need this other shit, but to get that other shit, you need to run around and gather 3 other turds, then do it all over again

Welcome to old video games, faggot. Don't worry, your ADHD generation is going to have all the Skyrims you can get soon enough.

Am I supposed to go take Pazuzu's head for passage through the gate of Mammon, or is there some less violent path I'm missing somewhere? I have three pillars, three seals, and got the Ring of Soloman back.

Will I regret fusing away Atlas?

>>15236811

The party's player set names all being from Homestuck is probably what he's getting at, which just means some faggot at Atlus US or whoever did the trailer liked Homestuck way back when that trailer was made, and says absolutely fucking nothing about the game itself.

>>15219801

>Nocturne's YHWH mentions SMT 2 hero being stuck in punishment limbo for all the eternity

>Nocturne is not in the same timeline as SMT 1 and SMT 2

>>15267712

The original is even worse because I can just load a savestate every time I make a mistake. Citra doesn't have those. Seriously, fuck this easy-ass game.

>>15277769

You have to kill Pazuzu.

>>15278901

Yeah. I did that forever ago. Now I need the wind charm. Didn't even think you could find the charms out of order, but I got the earth charm and have yet to find it's corresponding bridge. I'm reluctanct to fuse away Atlas, but at level 25 he's not seeing much use anymore.

>>15270216

Kaneko had nothing to do with the shitty remake. The designs were by Atlus Design Team.

Is there a way to purify cursed weapons? When I have the healer remove curse so the MC can unequip the Death Sword, it destroys the weapon.

>>15274766

You say I have ADHD? This damn game has ADHD! Interrupting shit every 20 minutes to send me on a damn tangent.

>>15283507

>Shemale liver kabob

what

>>15283507

>>15283766

Don't you know? Tranny organs are a delicacy among higher demon circles.

>>15283803

>the (((pushing))) for tranny acceptance in the modern times is actually for creating a high number of sacrifices for the demons

At last I truly see

>>15284029

>Filtering anything but spam

>>15219788

Can you repeat that without stuffing so many may mays into your post.

I know you can’t wait to repost your “ebin trollage” to r/8chan, but can you try to not stick out like a sore thumb while doing so?

>>15284029

theres a reason Dagda is so mad and bitter and edgy but the game never explains it. Dagda is a father but apparently YHVH made his daughter become a different demon of the law faction. she is supposed to be one of the megami race demons that you can summon.

its a completely wasted opportunity since Dagda argues like he's just an edgy kid but the truth is he is arguing like a mad parent that got his kid taken

So when does fusion finally become fun in Dx2?

>>15285975

>Gachashit

>Bcoming fun

It costs ludicrous amounts of magnetite to fuse anything above 3*. They expect you to pay real money for gems and magnetite and then spend gems on even more MAG. Fusing 1* and 2* cost is insignificant. Fusing 3* ranges from 7000-8000 MAG. 4* jumps to an unfeasible 150000-160000 MAG. 5* costs ten times that. Give it up.

>>15286601

This makes leveling servants in FGO look reasonable.

>>15286619

Over the course of the game's story, I've earned about 800000 MAG, and spent a decent portion of it fusing 3*s to heavily speed up the process of getting my 4*s evolved. I've since quit the game. Think I played for about four weeks.

>>15286639

More like 3 and couple days.

>>15286639

My biggest pet peeve is the coloring system that makes or breaks a demon, and it really makes fusions a pain in the ass. I'm trying to make a 6* Jack Frost for the hell of it. Apparently if you don't have a certain color in the game, you're pretty much screwed. Oh yea whoever said the story is cringeworthy is dead on because I really hate the lesbian, and I got the feeling the fat guy is probably a gigantic faggot with the idol bitch.

>>15286657

That reminds me. Another change I'd make to the game is allowing people to trade demons of equal base rarity. You wouldn't be able to trade a common for a colored, and you wouldn't be able to compendium summon demons gotten through trade though.

>>15285263

You mean Brigid, right? The angry dad angle could have worked, shame the writers never thought of that. Many of his arguments with Danu are the worst parts of his dialogue and should have been rewritten.

In Digital Devil Story 2, is there any reason not to fuse away specially aquired demons like Atlas, Cerberus, and Naga? I don't think I'll ever get them again, and don't know if they're used in special fusions because info about the game is scarce.

>Avatar Garuda + Element Salamander

>Avatar Qing Long

>800 HP

Is there any way to get the original SJ working on a 3DS? The luma autoupdater stopped working at 8.1.1 and I couldn't be arsed to update further. Should I just download Redux? IIRC they fucked with the balance but I don't remember the specifics.

I think I've hit the upper limits of fusion. Avatar Qing Long + Element Salamander loops back around to Avatar Sphinx and has a new X symbol for the fusion. I can't seem to fuse any element higher than Salamander Lv38 despite using Lv50 demons. Now if only I could upgrade Deity Odin. If this is the highest level avatar, I'm disappointed. It's a meat shield with only one skill.

>>15287941

There are very few special fusions in MTII. Most of them are done with various elements, two with yoma and something else, the last requires certain deitys that are hidden.

I finally got a Teal Ose from mission rewards and beating shitty Chapter 3 (Fuck that chapter, and I got a feeling the rest will get worse story-wise). I really hate the Lesbian, and wish I didn't need her for macca and drops. For some reason, my 3* Jack is carrying in fire-heavy fights nuking bitches (He's colorless, but he''ll do), but I wish I kept other jacks to boost his skill levels.

>>15289112

>I really hate the Lesbian

I got this weird love hate relationship with her. Her personality is garbage, but she has good skills and cares about her family.

Still almost all the girl characters are garbage apart from the shrine maiden and aura gate girl. Too bad you can only unlock her after finishing the gate.

>>15286639

i think im about to join you grinding for impossible odds is not enjoyable if there's no end in sight.

>>15289540

Everything she says makes me want to slap her

>WE SOLVED THE CASE!

<No we didn't. Snuff films from the Acolytes are still out there, and we never got the real cul-

>WE SOLVED THE FUCKING CASE! LET ME SPAZZ OVER GIRLS NOW!

<Whatever, shut the fuck up.

I'm only using her and Youtube fag for gathering demons and drops (I awakened my Ose). Cock Eater and Gun eater are kind of useless for me, and I'm only building regen stuff on my MC (Holy shit, the mc is the most useless character in the game, and he has no balls). I'm curious about fatty and idol's skills (Don't have them yet. I need a break from shitty Chapter 3). It's a shame you can't get Shrine girl and Russian Priest, but I want to unlock Gate Girl.

>>15289618

cock eater is only good if you run a team that can atk weakpoints constantly, 25% chance to buffs your demon.

Gun eater, is actually turns out to be extremely good for boss fights and aura gate. Boosts healing, Items take half a turn, curing status effects, 50% damage boost on charge and concentrate.

Fatty sadly is a case of looks good on paper turns out to be less than stellar in performance, His kit is to keep you alive for as long as possible and do a counterattack but frankly if you're in such dire straits that def buff and chance of revive aren't going to do jack shit.

Idol is for status effects only, boosts dmg demons receive if they have charm or poison.

Gate Girl is for Aura Gate farming but her skills are still pretty op buff to heals, 50% Chance to Heal your party if you revive a demon, 50% chance to heal your party if you kill a demon, 15% chance of a heal every turn.

But best of all Aura Gate Girls personality isnt complete shit, sure shes pushy (because the MC is a walking door mat) but at the end of the day she's probably one of the few people who gives a damn about the MC's soul and well being of people in general.

>>15289739

I meant to write in gun autist (lol), but I guess gun eater works. Cock Eater seems like a PvE character, but Gun Autist probably handles endgame content better.

SJ is pretty boring honestly.

>Dungeon Crawler

>have to leave the dungeon every 5-10 minutes to collect some stupid shit

>>15279339

It's been so long since Kaneko became main art director for an SMT game. Remembered that Masayuki Doi basically became the new SMT artist since Persona 2 EP Remake and SMT4 and the new art style and demon designs do not hold up Kaneko's creativity.

Some japanese fans are recreating shin megami tensei on RPG Maker VX. they're also going to expand it on top of that.

>>15293817

The first one? That's cool.

>>15227645

>I bet if there werent any Niggers in the USA there would be near 0% of gun accidents. Shiieeeet there would'nt be even any shootings at all.

Come now, that is just bullshit. Sure I can see a huge drop, mabey by even 90% but there are more than enough retarded wiggers

Is the Sega CD version of SMT superior?

What's the best way to emulate Strange Journey? I can emulate it on pc, but I was thinking of trying it out on an android emulator, to have both touchpad and (usb) joypad.

Does a translation patch even exist for the PSX version of SMT? What is the best version of SMT? What's the best English version?

>>15293817

RPGmaker autism never disappoints.

ded

>>15299714

>What is the best version of SMT?

PSX

>What's the best English version?

iOS, which is based off the worst version with the worst music, GBA.

>Middleground

SNES with the map patch.

>>15309239

>>Middleground

>SNES with the map patch.

The controls are terrible and the PSX version has way more content from what I gathered. I tried finding a patch, but all I could find was some redditfag from six months ago claiming that the SNES translation was being copied over into a patch for the PSX and Sega CD versions with little other information. I guess I'll just wait until a patch is made or I finally get around to learning Nip.

Is DDS1 a good entry point in the series?

>>15309805

There is no good entry point.

>>15309813

oh.

>>15309805

>>15310161

DDS1 is fine, although it has no fusing which is a cornerstone of the franchise so nocturne is probably better as far as the PS2 games go.

I started playing SMT4 for the first time

Why is it paced and structured like a fucking persona game complete with you going to what is equivalent to a foreign school and having demon adventures with your friends separate from your "training" 3 hours in.

>>15309797

>it still isn't fixed

The absolute state of desmume

>>15309805

DDS is a good entry into Atlus games and SMT since it plays like a more traditional story driven RPG. The story in most SMT games isnt as important as the journey

Only thing I like about Strange Journey is the setting. The bosses and random encounters are way too easy and you constantly have a map right infront of you ruining the exploration/tensions which is one of the most important parts of MegaTen games. Also, you can teleport to every stage even though the maps are so small compared to other games in the series. Not to mention there are those healing spots around every corner.

People like to shit on Persona, because of the VN aspects and it's too easy ,but SJ is even easier yet lacks the story of Persona. SJ is literally babbies 1st SMT game.

>>15313013

>you constantly have a map right infront of you ruining the exploration/tensions which is one of the most important parts of MegaTen games

Literally every single megaten game has had an automap, even the ones on NES.

>but SJ is even easier

you have to be retarded to think SJ is easier than persona

>>15313043

Can you believe Germany is relazing the ban on Nazi imagery in non-historical contexts? No more Fuhrer shades.

>>15313175

But you don't have it right in front of you constantly with a marking telling you exactly where you have to go. There's no sense of exploration at all.

>even the ones on NES.

It's been a while since I've played them, but iirc you had to use MP and it only showed the map for a couple seconds.

>>15313210

>no more aviator Hitler

>no more shaved beard Hitler

;_;7

>>15313359

>There's no sense of exploration at all.

Been years since I played, but most times you only get a marker telling you the point of interest (as a !) and the rest of the map you fill in yourself by actually navigating each area. And since layouts aren't purely linear once you got out of Bootes I don't think it's a bad use of waypoints. I also found I didn't keep my eyes on the map however like I did in DS titles like FF IV.

It would only be when any of my Sub Apps pinged for hidden doors or item caches that I would check the map.

>>15313575

I wouldnt calling having a map of the area your in handholding or casualization.

>>15313575

>New moon is like 10 steps.

Confirmed for not having played the games.

>>15313575

>It's that you have have the whole map infront of your face the whole time

And I've already told you that has been the case since the first megami tensei game.

Literally every single one of them has an automap.

Also

>>15313575

>You're comparing a map that shows 2 hallways to pic related.

Guess what retard, Megami tensei's map were more brain dead than the first Wizardry on Apple II.

>New moon is like 10 steps.

shut the fuck up and actually play the games.

>>15313898

*every 14 steps

>>15313898

>>15313907

>Ctrl+F

>Search steps

>Search 14

>Search fourteen

>nothing relevant

Are you just making shit up?

>>15313575

>Thats the radius you have to be in for it to show up. This feature alone makes me dislike SJ

This is the most bizarre nitpick about SJ I've ever encountered. It only reveals items in a fixed radius that never extends and the number of items that can be revealed are hidden enemies, hidden doors, and hidden items. If there is anything else I can't remember.

This isn't even handholding, it's just optional content outside the hidden doors.

ded

>>15237561

Sure thing, kike