1541ff No.15252182
Since the trailer for PQ2 just dropped I figured it was time for another Persona General. If you're wondering why we don't talk about this in the SMT Thread, you're obviously a newfag who doesn't know enough about both series to know why that would be bad idea.
Anyway, looks like the cast will be even more bloated this time. But, it's nice to see the FeMC back, I suppose. At the very least the music will probably be good, like last time.
Feel free to talk about any other Purse Owner games here as well, of course.
f80ac1 No.15252187
Doesn't look so hot, then again, it's a persona based game.
1541ff No.15252196
>>15252187
It is what it is, I guess. If you liked the first one this will probably do something for you, otherwise probably not. I sometimes feel like the only person who did like the first one.
35ea94 No.15252210
>>15252182
>tranny dinosaurs
c614fd No.15252225
god persona is so fucking shit
Persona Q was garbage, both gameplay and storywise
i don't know why you would be excited for this.
76b5c3 No.15252228
>>15252196
Turns out Persona fandom and Etrian Odyssey/MeiQ fandom doesn't overlap nearly as much in the West as it does in Japan. At least we're getting a sequel.
63056b No.15252231
>>15252196
I've seen nothing but general praise for Q though
82d7e1 No.15252246
>>15252196
I liked it, but kinda got bored in the last area, so I moved on.
Assuming they add on top of the game's mechanics, I might try this one out.
24ed26 No.15252285
Who is the cutie JC with the hat? OC? I'm not a purseowner player, but I generally recognize all the major players. Not her though.
She's cute enough to entice me to play.
1541ff No.15252288
>>15252285
She's an OC for the game, like Rei was for PQ1. Typically, PQ games (well I guess we can establish a "typically" now since there have been two including this) are about the Persona characters getting wrapped up in something weird because of another new character. In this case, it seems to be hatchan there, who seems to like movies.
24ed26 No.15252312
>>15252288 (nice)
Good enough for me. I feel like I'll be missing out on something playing it since I'm an EO fan, not Persona, but cute girls and dungeon crawlan is always best.
How's the first game? I heard it's super pissbabby easy.
1541ff No.15252349
>>15252312
If you play it on the hardest difficulty you'll probably feel it's fine enough. The biggest issue is that they added some Persona-style gameplay additions that they didn't know how to balance for: such as instant death attacks. These ended up very often wiping the mobs and if you had an auxiliary persona with enough SP you could essentially do this free or almost free every battle, due to auxiliary personas giving you "free" hp and sp pools per battle.In short: like most RPGs there were ways to break it open.
24ed26 No.15252372
>>15252349
I don't get it. Instant death attacks are in EO. How could they not know how to balance it?
Still, more than half the fun of a dungeon crawler is finding and discovering (multiple) ways of breaking the game open for your playstyle. It's no good if there's one way that is immediately and obviously superior, such as what you're saying, but you've still gotta get there and put it all together. That's fun.
1541ff No.15252378
>>15252372
Or there are other ways, too. That was just one I found.
a57f27 No.15252400
>>15252349
sukiyaki did it better
5ec2e6 No.15252408
>>15252182
>They wasted film noire imagery on a spinoff and didn't use it for a mainline entry
Is there any defense for this series anymore?
b3ef26 No.15252464
>>15252408
While Nocturne sold well and all but since that team made Persona 3 for fun or something and it sold pretty well, and then Persona 4 sold more that Nocturne team just stayed with Persona while another team handled the Mainline series, also now they are going away from Persona to make a Fantasy game.
So the defense is that they are chasing money instead of making the mainline dark as it used to be.
ac23e3 No.15252521
>>15252464
Honestly, I believe they should have branched off from the dark stuff. There would come a point where the whole Law&Chaos stuff would get old, and to be honest no game has done Law and Chaos as well as SMT 1, not to mention that one can only come up with so many ways to kill God before it becomes stale. Nocturne was well received because it had that right balance of new and old, it also swapped out the old alignment system for something new and compelling in its reasons. I think people have Persona because they went too far in the other direction, making it a generic “beat Evil with the power of friendship” series. It’s roughly analogous to being a 40k player and having GW put out a new lore book that has the Imperium allying with the Eldar and Tau, then being told “It’s okay, it’s just a spinoff it doesn’t impact the mainline series XD” only for it to sell well enough for aspects of the spinoff to bleed into the main games.
1541ff No.15252546
>>15252521
Yeah, but unlike your Warhammer example it's actually a different universe. It's just the company making a different type of game.
Also does someone have the old Goro Ihop image I made last year? I Seem to have lost it.
410359 No.15252576
First one had no dual audio and no options to completely turn off the ear rape voice acting. Fuck this shit
47dc65 No.15252601
Reminder that FeMC is best girl.
b3ef26 No.15252696
>>15252521
I like both the spin off and the mainline series.
The overall problem is as you said that they have to almost bring some of that light stuff into the mainline series and the other spin offs so they can sell the game.
But still after playing Persona 3 dancing moon nigh, I really wanted to have a Persona 3 remake with those graphics or Persona 5 graphics.
I'm interested in re-fantasy from the Persona team or the guys that brought nocturne, Catherine and persona 3-5. I wonder what the game is going to be, is it going to be a modern Persona in a fantasy setting where they dream of the real world being a fantasy world?
1541ff No.15252712
>>15252696
We haven't heard a peep since the announcement. I hope we hear something new soon. I don't think it'll have modern elements, though. I think it will be pure fantasy, since they talked about branching out from the usual contemporary stuff they do.
e4e850 No.15252731
WHO ISN'T CANON NOW, BITCHES? PQ ISN'T, HA.
8afdd2 No.15252734
>>15252231
The thing is that in general, PQ is a better game. It has some flaws here and there. Namely Magic being useless and the characters being bowlerized to hell and beyond. That being said it is by far the best dungeon crawler and the links fron EO make for some interesting tactics.
b3ef26 No.15252750
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>>15252712
They have this teaser trailer 2 with no gameplay. Also it's the same guys that is remaking Catherine so I bet they are probably semi exhausted from porting that game over to ps4 and Vita.
Also usually Atlus has these weird streams on Christmas or during the holidays where they talk about future games or just saying how the company is doing. So it's probably going to be where we hear about the new fantasy game.
58008e No.15252770
I hope I can play as femc and go full yuri with various girls
b3ef26 No.15252853
>>15252770
b-but Aigis is an innocent robot, why would people do such lewd things to her?
58008e No.15252867
>>15252853
Because she has a girl's body and it's pure for a girl to do such things to her.
b3ef26 No.15252891
>>15252867
No, it's not. Just because she has a girls body does not mean it will be pure. It means it will be more lewd and that's what you are after what kind of a monster are you?
c098f1 No.15252989
Still no P1 or P2 characters? Sure, what the fuck was I expecting, but it's so bizarre to see Atlus treat the first two actually 3 games like they're not even part of the same series as P3-5.
1bdbf4 No.15252998
>>15252989
It's for the best, they would've ruined those characters.
8a4b59 No.15253006
>>15252998
>>15252989
They're going to shoehorn them into the game in a big twist a la slapping the Guardians of the Galaxy into Avengers Infinity War
Calling it now
1bdbf4 No.15253041
>>15253006
I doubt it considering Hashino wanted to get away from what made old Atlus great by expanding to the wider audience starting with P3.
http://archive.is/Oa3pX
74c0e9 No.15253271
>>15252182
Really excited for PQ2! I have always been a big EO fan and when PQ came out, I came too. If it's just more of the same but with new characters, I'll be happy. Really you play new EO games for the new classes so adding the whole cast of P5 just makes it a proper sequel. I think the movie theme looks cool, as does the new girl, way better than those two from the first game.
b3ef26 No.15253340
>>15252989
I don't think so, Persona 1 and 2 got bad reception from the Persona 3 and 4 fans at the time.
1497fb No.15253813
>>15252182
The real divide isn't between MT and Persona, it's between Hashino and everyone else.
Persona does fine when it doesn't try to be a life sim nor limit the demon system. PQ was one of my favourite dungeon-crawlers of the generation, and PQ2 is looking similarly good from the trailer.
Judging by the skill select screen, Sub-Personas are still a thing. So far, so good.
HP cost for certain skills is still around, as expected. "Attack" and "Assault Dive" sharing the same icon worries me that physical attacks are getting conflated, but oh well. So far it seems the good outweighs the bad.
"Kougaon" confirms Kouha spells will be in the game, and Arsene's presence alone guarantees Eiha will too.
The other light/bless spell seems to read "回転説法", but I don't know what the fuck that means.
Anyway, looks like they're taking a page straight out of Viewtiful Joe and using a Movieland-style setting. This would be a good opportunity to feature Dante (but of course they won't fucking do it).
71f182 No.15253903
>>15252731
Doesn't SMT/Persona have an "everything is canon due to split timelines and/or multiverse" thing going on?
2439e9 No.15253928
>>15252989
Frankly, most modern Persona fans haven't played 1, IS, and EP.
>games like they're not even part of the same series as P3-5.
3 gave some references to the past games, but most games afterward reference 3 at most.
bcabe4 No.15253968
https://personacentral.com/wonder-festival-2018-summer-figure-gallery/
More figures to come, Tae is finally getting a figure.
Sadly still no figure of stalker Makoto
335181 No.15254028
>>15252182
Why would you put a visual novel on a game board?
410359 No.15254036
>>15254028
Go ask the visual novel thread
58008e No.15254065
>>15253813
>Anyway, looks like they're taking a page straight out of Viewtiful Joe and using a Movieland-style setting. This would be a good opportunity to feature Dante (but of course they won't fucking do it).
A shame the Raidou movie thing in 4 was dub only (replacing some fictional detective clan nobody outside of Japan has heard of), because it would be a good chance to bring him in.
6d27a0 No.15254303
>>15253813
>The real divide isn't between MT and Persona, it's between Hashino and everyone else.
I dont know much about the development teams at Atlus, could you explain this?
000000 No.15255074
at least no white loli is getting BLACKED this time.
P3P FeMC finally getting some love but P1 & P2 characters still get the shaft
b3ef26 No.15255099
>>15255074
I dunno if I would want P2 cast in PQ2 mainly because one is a faggot band and is basically a fuck you dad, the other is wanna bone that one chick.
1541ff No.15255142
>>15253813
>Caroline and Justine
>Not Lavenza
I hope she shows up.
b3ef26 No.15255149
>>15255142
Dammit I love that outfit and she is so sexy and bitchy that it makes my dick hard.
She is a true slut.
f584aa No.15255152
>>15255142
>You can't romance either of them in p5 because of the pedo-scare
1497fb No.15255610
>>15254303
It's kind of a long story. I whipped up this graphic of 4 prominent names involved in director/producer/writer work, but there's a lot of vague and conflicting information on the internet, so I'm sure this going to need a lot of corrections and updates. It's also missing some very talented writers like Ryutaro Ito and Kazunari Suzuki, but trying to verify all their credits would be an even bigger nightmare.
English Wikipedia credits Okada for directing the original MT and MT2 games, but Japanese Wikipedia mentions no such thing, and I have no idea who's right.
For what it's worth, Eiji Ishida directed SMT Strange Journey and TMS Sharp FE. Kazuma Kaneko did some co-writing for SMTIV and SMTIV Final/Apocalypse.
Another side note, Okada also worked as Producer on Rebus and the Devil Summoner TV drama, as well as a bunch of SMT Devil Children titles, but it's kind of a pain to list them all.
As for Atlus' divide in question, it basically happened after Okada left the company. The official story is that he quit because Nocturne sold poorly, but anyone with a brain and enough context can tell they're hiding the real reason from us. Anyhow, Yamai and Hashino henceforth took charge of the SMT and Persona IPs, respectively.
You can say Nocturne was Atlus' Morrowind of sorts. It was a great game, but it ended up stunting the company's game design philosophy for a very long time and counting. Yamai and Hashino had worked with Okada on Nocturne, and all of their games since then borrow heavily from it.
But while they're both guilty of dumbing down some of the core game design, there is one fundamental difference between Team Maniax and P-Studio: Yamai's team is still sticking to the standard RPG formula base, while Hashino's team has taken to shoehorning in cancerous (and sometimes unskippable) life sim elements that just fail to fit well into the Persona IP for over 10 fucking years now, and there's hardly been any improvement to the slog of farming and clicking from one calendar day to the next in these fucking games.
That's where the great divide is. Hashino has attracted a particular type of fanbase that can't stomach consistent sessions of combat and dungeons, and instead welcome long intervals of nothing and hours of calendar flipping and bad dating dialogue with open arms. This disgracefully half-baked life sim formula that caters to simple minds has struck record success for Atlus, so it's unfortunately here to stay for a very long time.
On a side note, while Yamai's team isn't doing anything nearly that cancerous, their biggest problem is that they feel they've got a free pass to dumb down SMT just because the EO team now exists as Atlus' designated tile dungeon crawler vendor. And they may call it diversity, but all it does is stretch the quality thin. MegaTen and dungeon crawling never should have been separated.
04525b No.15255624
Is this the pursona thread?
1541ff No.15255632
>>15255624
No, it's the Purse Owner thread.
04525b No.15255642
>>15255632
More like curse boner
04525b No.15255671
>>15255654
Do you think Igor has a palace?
73bab3 No.15255812
I've been playing innocent sin for over an hour and I haven't had a second of gameplay besides walking and talking. Does this turn into a video game at any point?
05d64e No.15255846
>>15252288
What are the odds she's voiced by Burch
26735d No.15255861
>>15255812
No, the combat in that is fucked and you might as well have autobattle permanently turned on, its got a really good story though.
1541ff No.15256552
>>15255846
Low. The one you should be worried about is Rise. Just pray Laura Bailey hasn't completely abandoned the character.
1541ff No.15257048
>>15257035
She'll never be back, anon, but at least that means they won't wreck her, right?
4e1b56 No.15257073
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>>15257048
I don't give a shit if they're flanderized, I just want to see them happy. I want to see Maya interact with younger Yukino or just bring the whole P1 cast in as adults so their superior redesigns don't go to waste.
8afdd2 No.15257090
I hope he is back. It is very unlikely tho.
1541ff No.15257096
>>15257090
Given the way PQ ended I'd be very surprised if he came back. He ascended to a higher plane of existence with his waifu. There isn't much else he'd want.
8afdd2 No.15257106
>>15257096
Since he is something close to a god and this is Persona, he could simply come back to help his friends from whatever time wrapping deity or whatever is happening.
82d7e1 No.15257112
>>15257073
There's not much to flanderize since Maya is essentially a young adult with a near flawless and normal mentality. Basically just "Let's be positive", she doesn't have personal struggles and doesn't bitch at people.
She's a nice girl who's willing to use her sexuality to her advantage, is a workaholic and her friends are the weird ones. She isn't wacky like Chie and her kung fu obsession or Mitsuru's whole rich girl schtick.
At worst she'd end up being the team mom.
643623 No.15257119
I hate this game simply because Atlus will no doubt take two years to translate EOX because their staff will be busy with this shit.
1541ff No.15257123
>>15257106
I guess it's possible. We'll have to wait to hear the plot details of what exactly is going on before we can determine how similar it is.
8afdd2 No.15257127
>>15257123
Honestly, a time deity is the only thing that can bring the 3 groups together. Unless the non-P5 are actualy memories or something like that.
4e1b56 No.15257156
>>15257112
You forgot abandonment issues from her journalist dad and being a total slob. Let's positive thinking is just her mantra to keep from murdering her cunt of a boss.
1541ff No.15257178
>>15257127
See this is what I'm confused about. In PQ, though it was kind of a copout, they picked two points in each game they could pull the whole cast from each from (which is a pretty small window). Are they just…gonna do the same thing…again?
It's even weirder since Goro is clearly with the P5 group and he's with the thieves an even smaller length of time, a length of time in which not only are the thieves under extreme pressure, but also all of them are lying to and attempting to trick Goro, who they all know is the traitor.
So honestly, I have no idea what they're going for this time.
8bfe53 No.15257190
>>15253968
>transformable Johanna figure
Noice.
But when are we getting a Shadow Sae Leviathan figure?
8afdd2 No.15257194
>>15257178
They did their best to make PQ as canon as possible but it can't work again. Unless it is something like Zen calling then forth to help him with something.
000000 No.15257280
The excitement I had for this wore off pretty quick. All I just remembered from PQ1 was the flanderized characterizations (my favourite girl couldn't shut the fuck up about meat) and that etripoop odycrap gameplay sucks like donkey shit.
d34a6a No.15261877
cce9c9 No.15262544
I’m excited. I still haven’t gotten around to playing the first Q but I imagine it’s really fun. I still need to finish P3P as well.
000000 No.15262688
Stumbled across this while I was trying to figure out what the fuck the "Q" in Persona Q stood for
>from some posters on some forums
>"it doesn't stand for anything, it's wordplay, Etrian Odyssey's japanese title is Sekaiju no Meikyuu"
>"It's a reference that got lost in translation. Etrian Odyssey is called Sekaiju no Meikyuu (labyrinth of the world tree) in Japan. It gets nicknamed as MeiQ. The Q is a reference to "Meikyuu/MeiQ"."
I guess it's time for me to stop calling it Persona Queerdo then
ac16fe No.15262965
oh shit their making a second one i enjoyed the first one. cool to see 3ds aint completely dead yet. the last game system nintendo is selling fuck switch not even splatoon and smash can make me get it
4e1b56 No.15263286
>>15261877
Worst than a beaten woman/ Dead
Worst than being dead/ Forgotten
Worst than forgotten/ Burden
884cda No.15265391
>>15265384
>Everyone is here
>Conveniently forgets about the first three games in the series
Persona is such lowest tier garbage I honestly cannot believe anyone here unironically thinks it's good besides >muh waifushit
fb6ae3 No.15265407
>>15265391
that is pretty bad. Also, can't help but feel bad for feMC just standing there all by her lonesome while everyone else is surrounded with friends
a9d299 No.15266010
what if instead of having the male MC since he is acting as the seal just have an alternate dimension feMC that didnt have to die to beat nyx. dont know how having both the MC and feMC is gonna work since the other P3 characters shouldnt know her
d695fe No.15266668
new version of persona 5 where you can help pancakeman when?
>atlus: " ha ha ha, thats a funny joke, here have more dancing spinoffs "
7046fc No.15267233
>>15267199
Is Atlus seriously recycling the P3/P4 character models from the first Persona Q? How lazy can they get.
f0ebac No.15267254
>>15267199
Looks cute, but I'd have appreciated gameplay and battle footage. What little gameplay they did show was the usual VN storytime stuff.
>P3-5 battle theme BGM set
>DLC
fuck Atlus
1541ff No.15267276
>>15267254
Original PQ had it too. I'd imagine the gameplay is similiar, though. But goddamn, the party was already too big in PQ1. Maybe instead of having 20 fucking party members they'll split the team in certain ways.
3d46ce No.15267296
Why did SMT get a mobile game? Where is the Persona mobile shit?
3d46ce No.15267378
>>15257035
Young Maya was cute. CUTE
78d98e No.15267833
>>15255610
>while Hashino's team has taken to shoehorning in cancerous (and sometimes unskippable) life sim elements that just fail to fit well into the Persona IP for over 10 fucking years now, and there's hardly been any improvement to the slog of farming and clicking from one calendar day to the next in these fucking games.
I try and figure out a better way to make social links specifically, and the social aspects of P3-P5 work better on a mechanical and narrative level because they just don't work and get worse every iteration. P5 tries to give you more returns on the non-party member social links but a lot of those options are just shit. The Fortune Teller, Gun shop owner, and Reporter have abilities with very minimal incentive outside of boosting the rate of increase on social stats. You get the gun owner too late to for his early ability to be useful. And Ohya's ability doesn't matter since it's so easy to sneak around and get the drop on opponents you won't have a high alert level in a palace unless you are literally running headfirst into enemies and standing there.
The Shogi Player, doctor, and Gamer were the best social links for non-party members, along with the politicians rank 10 simply because the ability to alter your party, Get discounts at the shop, instantly down enemies, and negotiate on more favorable terms have consistent and very useful returns the moment you get them and throughout the rest of the game. If there were fewer social links and you always got stuff like this that would be a first step towards making them better, but I also can't help but feel like they just used these social links to fix what is broken with the modern persona systems. That being the inability for other party members to change their persona, necessitating the need to swap out the party on the fly. And having the ability to drop an enemy without having their weakness on hand because when only one person can freely swap it's sometimes going to happen you don't have a hyper specific weakness.
Your Party members likewise have abilities you are either going to over-rely on (like Futaba's position hack), you would want to switch off but can't (sometimes for Ryuji's execution) or are just useless unless you care about 100% compedium (like Yusuke's card copy). Most of the other effects are just what you got from P4 like enduring and removing status effects. Maybe if you got better abilities for each person you would be inclined to interact with them more.
The writing for social links is equally dry, most are just soap opera plots and only a few ever seem to grab me (Yoshida & Takemi were the only ones for me).
Having negotiation abilities for the party was nice, but because they never fucking trigger for me I wasn't even sure what they did until I saw it on a youtube video. Unlike P2 where everyone in the party actually interacts and you can pair people off for negotiations and they have unique dialogue, P5 just drops the ball entirely for another RNG mechanic.
And that's really the problem. Persona 3-5 take all the party interactions, and shove them into mostly disconnected story beats that are 1 on 1 between the MC and them, instead of having a really cohesive group. Persona 3 was the best in terms of party dynamics but P5 these kids talk in group texts, and banter, but nothing else really holds them together for the dungeon segments which is where you'll spend a good chunk of the game.
If I was going to fix it, party member aren't social links, period. Their plots happen as part of the story. Party negotiations are back, put in the beginning of the game, and aren't RNG. Just go back to what P2 did, it worked and gave personality to the cast even the silent MCs.
Maybe actually do something with reversed social links otherwise there's no negative consequence to ignoring a contact for periods of time, or making the wrong dialogue choices. If these are supposed to be actual people and not just VN waifus, give me some rapport with them and the chance to fuck up.
58008e No.15267890
Why didn't Persona 4 explain away the party limit by having there only be 4 pairs of glasses?
37f897 No.15274064
Scans are out, with some neat gameplay info (unlike the shitty second trailer).
Page 21 is especially interesting. It confirms pretty much everything I've been hoping for in this game.
Sub-Personas work pretty much the same way as before, with 6 skill slots and an HP/SP bonus to the user.
Characters in "Boost" mode can cast a skill cost-free, just like before.
Some elemental attack skills will cost HP instead of SP.
Psychic element is in, safe to say Nuclear will be too.
Oh, and the protagonist is no longer mandatory.
>>15267833
Agreed 100%.
>>15267890
Because P4's writing was unfortunately even worse than its game design.
37f897 No.15274084
>>15274064
>safe to say Nuclear will be too.
Oh wait. I should've looked a bit closer at this screenshot. Yup, it's definitely there.
8afdd2 No.15274109
>>15274064
Man, I hope they fix magic. At least make it cost less.
f0ebac No.15274505
>>15274064
>Fukuen Misato voices Hikari
Thank you Jesus. Hikari a cute.
3ec8cf No.15278762
>>15252989
>Still no P1 or P2 characters?
who?
1af2a5 No.15278795
>>15278134
you first, goon.
>>>/reddit/
002edb No.15278825
>>15278134
>Attacking anime on a chan.
You ain't even cuckchan your full on Reddit.
cce9c9 No.15278874
What's with that high MSRP? Are 3DS games usually sold for 60+ USD in the land of the rising sun?
cce9c9 No.15278883
>>15267233
I don't know if that's laziness so much as just being practical. What's wrong with the old ones? Why would they need to change them?
1bdbf4 No.15279416
>>15274064
Wonder if magic will be buffed. In PQ physical attacks overshadowed them especially Myriad Arrows.
58d559 No.15279520
>>15257178
Depends on if his persona is Robin Hood or Loki. If its Loki they could have saved him from his retarded redemption sacrifice. If its Robin Hood he might have his own betrayal plot where you gotta beat him to keep him.
a9d299 No.15280186
Looking through the youtube comments people are really liking that Akechi is in it. WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE AKECHI? he's a piece of shit asshole who tries to kill you
a9d299 No.15280189
>>15280186
and forgot to mention that he killed Haru's dead meaning that any interaction should be very awkward
a9a0ef No.15280345
When the fuck are we gonna get P2: Partying All Day featuring Hitler as a backup dancer?
9cf86b No.15280472
>>15280345
Cancelled together with Eternal punishment PSP.
79e629 No.15280536
>>15280472
Is there an uncensored English version of Persona 2 without the sunglasses? Or must I know nip? Also, does it emulate well?
5ec2e6 No.15280822
>>15278825
>Chan
>Calling others Reddit
Nice try, newfag. Fuck off or lurk moar
d43d44 No.15281234
>>15280472
The rumor system and P2 as a whole were fucking great.
Why are they so intent on pretending it never existed?
4e1b56 No.15281668
>>15280186
He's a stupid bitch that's actually a SMT protagonist stuck in a power of friendshit world. But he didn't get enough development to be a genuinely "good" character (no P5 character did, really). I'm guessing his popularity stems from being your protagonist's foil and missed opportunity. I feel nothing for this cast and that extends to Goro. For all the hype surrounding him I was expecting at least three more boss battles against him and not just going down in the first confrontation.
82d7e1 No.15286213
>>15280186
>>15281668
one of the reasons why the P4 cast was better then P5 was because you literally gave them an exorcism by unveiling what their worries and hidden thoughts were.
Yosuke was cheery on the outside, but was bored as fuck and hated being stuck in Inaba, with his only out being a supermarket job because his dad owned it. Chie feeling that she was taking advantage of Yukiko's weakness while being her friend to make herself feel better etc.
Compared to Ryuji, who's only defined by an upbeat attitude and idiocy, who gets shat on for pretty much no reason by the party, Ann's generic personality and only aspirations to be a model, Yusuke's somewhat odd personality, none of their problems are internal and if they are, it's not presented up front in the story.
Their social links don't help either, because in P4 the social links based on them were an extension of them dealing with the flaw they confronted, but Ann and Yusuke's links are about dealing with outside threats rather then inner demons.
Persona 4's theme was confronting the truth you don't want to admit and finding a comprimise and growing up, while Persona 5's whole theme is on rebellion. The focus isn't on the characters, but the persecution they undergo.
Literally every social link is about crime or injustice done to the focus characters, Sojiro has to deal with Futaba's shitty uncle, Futaba has to deal with a friend's exploitative parents, Yusuke has to choose between art and money, there is some focus on the characters but it always, ALWAYS gets sidelined by outer conflict.
Compared to the Death and Hanged Man social links in P4 for example, where both are entirely about dealing with the grief of an old woman who had a horrible experience watching her husband die after an extensive bout of Alzheimers, and a kid who's sister got murdered, none of the social links can really click with you like that.
The idea behind Persona 4 was empathy and Persona 5's theme is solving problems and defying apathy. This means the characters in the latter game will be utterly inferior no matter what you do, because the focus is never on them, but the persecution they face.
And now you know why they're still making Persona 4 for the PS4.
6d00e2 No.15286486
>>15280472
>Eternal punishment PSP
That actually was made. It just never left Japan.
66418b No.15286506
>>15286213
>one of the reasons why the P4 cast was better then P5
Stopped right there. I couldn't stand any of those cocksuckers. I don't need my ego stroked every two seconds.
4e1b56 No.15286578
>>15286213
I hated P4 cast, fuck them. All I meant is that P5 feels bland and wildly out of character when it comes to sympathizing with known murderer Goro.
82d7e1 No.15287522
>>15286506
Ryuji's a rehash of Kanji with Yosuke's horrible luck (dumb idiots who get shat on), Ann is generic with no personality flaws, Makoto is Naoto without the detective knowledge, Haru is Yukiko 2.0 with a more obvious sadism bent etc.
The P4 cast's more down to earth, and maybe it's because I live in the south but people really do act like that, which fits the country setting.
>>15286578
Goro actually had an excuse compared to Adachi, who was actually worse.
Goro is the illegitimate son of a politician, and his father happens to be one of the worst sociopathic narcissists to grace an office, has no empathy and sees everyone as a tool. Goro wants to see that motherfucker SUFFER. However, he's a kid, so instead of just killing/torturing the fuck and being done with it, he imagines a whole plan in his head to kill this asshole after being at his lowest.
This plan involves getting him into office, at his highest, and then fucking destroying him. But because he's a kid who's blinded by unholy rage, he's never actually thought this through and does whatever it takes to go through with this plan, lets power get to his head and ironically acts exactly like his father in his quest for revenge. This makes him tragic.
And that shit's brilliant as villains go.
Adachi the dude before him, however, kills a girl on impulse, gets a power trip and does it again, and covers it up somehow fucking flawlessly by manipulating a man he didn't even know into kidnapping everyone from your party, who somehow don't know who he is because they got kidnapped too quick, despite the man being involved in a seriously messy affair that got televised. This makes Adachi seem like a brilliant mastermind for all of two seconds when he instead just caused trouble at random and somehow it worked out for him.
Goro had a fucking plan, a bad one that blew up in his face, but literally nothing was left to chance, and Adachi was a misanthropic psychopath with WAAAAAAY too much luck on his side.
Goro's tragic because his hatred is understandable given how much of a fucking DICK his father Shido is considering what the dude's willing to do to cover up his own shit. And that hatred led him to do loads of horrible shit. That's the tragedy here and it's still possible to sympathize with Goro despite condemning his actions.
Adachi on the other hand? Wew lad, you cannot even sympathize with the guy, and his only sympathetic moment isn't even that when he decides to stay in jail himself on the logic that he lost a game and has to do what the winner says.
Goro is better written at least.
9c5ae1 No.15287537
>>15287522
I don't know, adachi is pretty sympathetic. He got rid of whores, how is that not a noble goal?
8bfe53 No.15287663
>>15287380
Mommy!
It was a interesting extra and one of the few bits they didn't muck up because let's face it, this anime is a gigantic mess. Unless it's a close up/still of a single standard looking character at specific angles, this production completely falls into pieces.
4e1b56 No.15287682
>>15287522
Let me rephrase:
Known murderer Goro who is directly responsible for both Futaba's mother and Haru's father's deaths. Who are on your team. Who are all suddenly very understanding and sympathetic to Goro, even fucking Ryuji who never stops yelling like a child 24/7. I don't buy it, it took me out of the game completely.
I don't personally care what happened to Goro, I don't care what he was planning, I don't care that he died. P5 gives you a peek to what he's really like, and ignoring muh tragic past he's okay, he's a batshit cunt calling me personally out for disliking modern persona. But then he's shelved and never used again, not even in the final area in the game where Goro is still technically alive in the minds of everyone. That's such a waste.
Adachi definitely gets points for owning up to his actions in the "yeah I fucking did it but just because she's a whore" sort of way instead of how the narrative tries to imply for Akechi is "I did it because of my ~tragic childhood~".
82d7e1 No.15287756
>>15287537
For all intents and purposes Saki was going to just dump Yosuke but had horrible internal thoughts about him and the business his family she belonged to which is understandable as anyone can tell you that a Wal-mart coming in and wrecking businesses is always a messy affair, but as the game goes on the entire party has these thoughts and it's emphasized that this shit's normal, which it is.
Also Nametame is the one who initiated the cheating, he had a loveless marriage with a popular singer and banged someone who didn't treat him like shit.
If Adachi wanted to get rid of whores he could have started in fucking Tokyo ironically, the only person he intentionally killed was a witness to his first murder, the first victim was Mayumi, who he killed by ACCIDENT, but he did intend to rough her up. The other person he personally tried to kill but failed to do so was Mitsuo, the teacher killer.
The reason he tried to kill him wasn't because he was being a whore murderer, but so he could be entertained by Nametame kidnapping kids under a mistaken pretense and throwing them into a place where they'd be murdered.
The only hoe he actually killed was Mayumi and her case is debatable because it was mutual between her and Nametame, because again his marriage was SHIT and he married a hoe by accident when the person he actually loved was found later, a reporter.
So he actually isn't a THOT patroller, but rather a regular serial murderer with no standards on who gets killed as long as it fits his humor at the time.
>>15287682
Because the dude who actually ordered the murders was his father. Maybe it's something japanese, but it's something I've seen, where the actual hated perpetrator isn't the "soldier" but the "general" and the moment he becomes sympathetic is when the fake Goro shows up and reveals that his own father was going to kill him off, after his motivations have been explained to be centered around his father's approval and his hatred of his father.
He's his son and a pawn of his father in the end, and THAT ITSELF is why the party is sympathetic, because his own father led him astray into this murderous path.
Also Adachi is a grown fucking man, and Goro is a teenager, check the age, who was easily molded by his father into a fucking contract killer. You can hate a man for what he's done and still pity him.
Note that the ONLY POINT that he becomes sympathetic to the party is at the MOMENT of his death, when his entire story and motivations is revealed to the party and during a raid on Shido's Palace, when pretty much all of his atrocities had been revealed while getting the letters of recommendation from his accomplices shadows.
After the whole of Shido's evil has been revealed in EXPLICIT detail, and the vastness of his deeds and the COUNTLESS PEOPLE he has killed by his order in his extremely vapid and narcissistic quest, with it made readily apparent that he's a man with no empathy whatsoever, who USED HIS OWN SON TO CARRY OUT HITS, does Goro become sympathetic.
Like his whole dungeon was building up to the fact that Goro Akechi was just a drop in the pool compared to the sheer shit Shido has gotten away with in and outside of the law. He's tragic because Goro Akechi was manipulated into the murderer he is now. Like holy shit this mother fucker. It was made pretty apparent why they sympathized with him, but they would have brought him to justice anyway. That's not hard to understand. They weren't out to suck the guy's dick for fuck's sake.
4e1b56 No.15287974
>>15287756
I feel like we're having two different conversations. I don't care because the quality of writing makes it so suddenly everything's fine after one exposition dump and then forgets about the kid for the rest of the game in favor of jacking it to suddenly gnosticism. I pity him for being as useful to the narrative as a gum wrapper.
>Maybe it's something japanese, but it's something I've seen, where the actual hated perpetrator isn't the "soldier" but the "general"
It could be this disconnect. It's still too unbelievable Ryuji acts with such Japanese restraint in this one instance.
I also don't care what Shido's done. After a certain point it just all felt like a shitty anime trying to tie all its loose ends to one villain.
bcabe4 No.15288032
1541ff No.15288160
>>15287522
>Akechi actually had a reason while Adachi didn't
But that's what makes Adachi so great. You finally catch up to the killer and his reason is "I was bored, I could and it was fun." Which might seem profoundly unsatisfying but it's incredibly human, far more so than Akechi's convoluted revenge plan that only an idiot could think would work. Adachi did what probably quite a few people would do if suddenly given untraceable power to do bad things. I honestly love Adachi's motivations.
8bfe53 No.15289940
>>15288160
Yeah, at the time I played it, I thought it was actually refreshing that the villain didn't have some tragic backstory or was a puppet though he does become one near the end, it has no bearing on his arc and is only to introduce Death Star Disco Eyeball.
bcabe4 No.15290091
My god, what is up with her manface?
bd4b40 No.15290210
Even Persona is verboten here now? Do you faggots like anything? Persona is some of the best video games and there are people on this board shitting on it. I don't understand how this place became so fucking hateful. TORtanic ruined /v/. Every game is the next blunder of the century. Nothing is worth playing around here. It's a wonder you even come here at all. What's next?
>Doom was always shit?
>Deus Ex was always shit?
Fuck you.
410359 No.15290328
>>15290210
Poorly written jrpg's with waifu bait do not make good games.
4e2860 No.15292191
>you literally gave them an exorcism by unveiling what their worries and hidden thoughts were.
I thought the shadows in the TV world were later revealed to be the manifestations of how others viewed the party members. Kanji's shadow, for example, portrays him as a closeted homosexual, but he's not actually gay.Kanji just has feminine interests, which is interpreted by others as being an indication that he's gay. Therefore, Kanji's shadow is flamboyantly gay, but Kanji isn't necessarily a homosexual, he just likes making dolls. It's been a while since I've played P4 so maybe I'm misremembering something.
4e2860 No.15292197
145056 No.15292251
>>15292191
The only one this applied to was Kanji, and even then you misinterpreted it. The best counter-example to this was Naoto who because she worries about what everyone else thinks dressing like a man. Literally no one but her parents were actually aware she was a girl but her entire inner conflict is about the fact she felt the need for others to view her as a man to be taken seriously. Her shadow manifesting about how she wants to be treated makes no sense from the perspective of what others saw because literally no one saw her as a girl she was doing that good a job. The complex wasn't other people labeled her as needing to be a boy, she labeled herself as needing to be one.
With Kanji you are correct that the original cause of all this is his feminine hobbies, but you're scratching surface level and completely ignoring the scenes that later occur. It goes like this.
>Kanji has feminine hobbies
>other people start thinking he's gay
>Kanji gets accused of being gay so much he starts to think he might actually be gay
>in order to resist what he views as his possible state of being gay he acts overtly macho and violent
>everyone stops viewing Kanji as gay because he beats the shit out of people who accuse him of being gay
>the only person who still views Kanji as gay is himself and (kind of) the crew after they discover his hobbies
>Kanji develops internal conflict about his possible homosexual tendencies that it becomes a shadow
There is a repeated joke that Kanji feels confused for liking Naoto who he thought at the time was a boy. People stopped viewing him as gay after he started beating the shit out of people.
2f24a5 No.15292317
>>15292251
Nailed it. Also makes you see how SJWs are superficial cunts for latching onto Kanji and Naoto for their homo/tranny propaganda.
4e2860 No.15292321
>>15292251
Thanks for clarifying. I had forgotten about most of what you wrote about. Chie's shadow manifests feelings that wouldn't be apparent to others and therefore only she could be aware so that's another counter-example. I remember thinking that the "perception of others create the shadows" idea didn't make much sense, but that it was stated to be the case later on, regardless. I'm not sure how I got that idea in my head, but thanks for correcting me.
bcabe4 No.15292338
>>15290210
I enjoy playing the Persona series, its just that the series is plagued with the most cancerous fanbase.
145056 No.15292377
>>15290210
>every persona is verboten
False, Nusona is verboten. Person 1 and the 2 duology are some of the best JRPGs of all time.
1541ff No.15292783
>>15292251
>The only one this applied to was Kanji
No, this applies to Rise as well. While Rise being a slut is a meme, I sincerely doubt her secret desire is actually to get naked in front of everyone. Her shadow was based on the worries that she was being increasingly valued for her looks, being that there was no real her and that she was just a pair of tits and ass for people to ogle. Her shadow is also, at least partially, based on her fears of how she is perceived. So it's not just Kanji.
2f24a5 No.15292820
What are the best versions of P1, P2 and P3? Never played any of them
145056 No.15292847
>>15292783
Her shadow was about her feeling like she was a fake in every facet of her life. Kanji doesn't secretly want to be gay as much Rise doesn't secretly want to be a slut. Kanji fears he is gay and Rise fears that she's secretly a just doing it for attention. They are both terrified at those aspects of themselves. With Kanji it was because he was brainwashed by enough people yelling at him, and Japan's toxic idol culture forcing Rise to wear a fake personality so long she can't tell if it's fake anymore. Rise herself starts to doubt whether she actually is Risette as much as Risette is being her. Her fearing being a slut is because Rise has such a loose grasp on who she is that even being that isn't outside the realm of possibility for her. That's how dissociated she is from herself.
Also I already explained with Kanji why it isn't how everyone viewed Kanji that caused his shadow, it was Kanji internalizing all the criticism to the point he legitimately believes he might be gay.
1541ff No.15292862
>>15292820
P1: The PSP version. Doesn't have the, admittedly unintentionally hilarious, westernization of the characters and names, and has both the Sebec and Snow Queen quests, unlike in the original western PS1 release.
P2 Innocent Sin: Again, the PSP remake. HAs the proper names and has everything made correctly.
P2 Eternal Punishment: Sadly the PSP remake was never released in English here. The PS1 version actually was back in the (Innocent Sin wasn't, making the whole thing a massive mess), however, because it's old as fuck all the returning P1 cast have the embarrassing westernized names. I'm not sure if there's a fan translation for the PSP remake or not.
P3: Probably P3 FES. Someone might make a case for Persona 3 Portable on the PSP, but it turns the whole game into a VN, sans the dungeon crawling. It does add a female campaign as well as the very welcome addition to control party members rather than leaving it to AI, but again you have to sacrifice visual representation for it. It also doesn't include The Answer, like FES has, but considering The Answer is actual dogshit that might not be so bad,
f0ebac No.15292871
>>15292847
>toxic idol culture
nigga shut your fucking mouth. say that stupid shit one more time I swear to god.
1541ff No.15292873
>>15292847
My point wasn't so much that outside opinions people shape the shadow and more that, at least partially, the shadows are based on the fears of what the person is afraid someone might see them as, if that makes sense. So it still comes entirely from the person. And in a way I guess we're saying the same thing.
2f24a5 No.15292874
>>15292862
I forgot to say, I'm gonna play them all in japanese. Guess the only real toss up is P3 FES or Portable. What would you personally choose?
1541ff No.15292895
>>15292874
>I'm gonna play them in Japanese
Oh that fixes everything then. The PSP versions of P1. and both parts of P2. I would pick FES for P3. If you really end up liking the story and game, maybe try out the female route in P3P after.
145056 No.15292913
>>15292871
So she was just faking her emotions in the game about her life as an idol stressing her the fuck out?
1ba5f9 No.15292943
>>15292862
You're slightly confused on Persona 3 Portable: it DOES have the dungeon crawling.
The VN style sections replace the daily life runaround - the game is still structured the same, it's just that you're choosing where to go/who to talk to from a list instead of actually having your protagonist run there. Once you enter Tartarus, the game is just the same as the PS2 version but with some refinements (controllable party members, costumes, that kind of thing.)
Also, the female protagonist is a really interesting addition; her relationship with everyone is different, rather than just being a pronoun-swapped version of the male story. (One interesting side-effect of this is Shinjuro actually getting some character development which he totally lacked in the original.) Some of her social links are completely different characters to the male protag. Also, she has different songs playing in the overworld.
For this reason (and the fact that the Answer is awful), I'd argue P3P as the best version of P3. Its only real failing is that it lacks the animated cutscenes.
70b14d No.15292958
>>15292943
Not to mention that fem-route hermit girl and fem-protag are the 2 best p3 girls
2f24a5 No.15292959
>>15292895
Thanks
>>15292943
Well, he did say "sans the dungeon crawling"
a083ba No.15292966
>>15280536
>Also, does it emulate well?
Yeah
1541ff No.15292977
>>15292943
Was gonna say this >>15292959
>>15292958
>fem-route hermit girl
>best girl
I honestly disagree. I thought hermit in the girl route was a massive uninteresting drip who's entire arc was a pointless shaggy dog story. It was only made worse because hermit in the male route is extremely entertaining.
2f24a5 No.15292987
>>15292977 (checked)
Just to clarify, does the male route have any differences between FES and Portable? If not I could just play it on FES, and then play the fem route in Portable if I want to later.
145056 No.15292998
>>15292977
This, P3 male hermit to end all hermit arcana Bonding with a Christmas Cake over vidya is a /v/ wetdream incarnate.
b2527a No.15293005
>>15292987
It doesn't
You should always play fes first because the story is better with cutscenes and the game feels better overall. Only reason that you should play p3p is when you have beaten fes and want to play the fem route.
2f24a5 No.15293027
>>15292998
>anal
>not having sex with the cake in the missionary position and impregnating her and taking responsibility
Absolutely degenerate
>>15293005
Isn't the gameplay better on p3p though? It's not a dealbreaker but I don't really dig not having control over my party
145056 No.15293057
>>15293027
>the Christmas Cake who spends all her free time drinking and playing games online hasn't found deep degenerate porn herself
She's a virgin, but that has nothing to do with being kinky.
1541ff No.15293062
>>15293027
>It's not a dealbreaker but I don't really dig not having control over my party
While the party control is a really nice change (something that started becoming a thing when P4 came out), it's not a huge problem. There are some times when the AI will probably do something dumb you don't want them to, but more or less you should be okay if you understand the mechanics. The MC is always going to be the heavy lifter anyway, because he's the only one who can change personas. I'd still say FES is worth it for seeing the game with some actual visual presentation that isn't just static backgrounds and character portraits outside of the dungeons..
2f24a5 No.15293088
>>15293057
Anal is still shit-tier
>>15293062
Sure, I'll play FES first anyway, was just commenting on that.
1541ff No.15293256
>>15293228
I can't take this comic seriously because Tatsuya and Maya can't ever see each other again without the world ending.
e4e850 No.15293257
>>15293027
Portable is just flat out inferior to FES.
It backports P4's combat without rebalancing the rest of the game for it, making an already easy game so trivial that they may as well have just cut the combat entirely and made it a full-blown VN.
Metis a bes
I want to ruffle her fancy butt feathers
ab7831 No.15293273
>>15292998
>perfectly good vagina right there
>sticks it in the ass
Makes me unreasonably mad.
e441f0 No.15294376
>>15252989
>P1-P2 IS and EP.
Didn't the events of the first two games get wiped out in the third when Tatsuya lets the past go inorder to save Maya and everything from being destroyed?
It's possible to bring those characters back, but they'd have to start off fresh and without knowing what shadows and personas are. By the events of P3, it looks like they've all moved on in life and would have little reason to start a new adventure. In comparison, the cast of P3 are still trying to save the mc. P4 was popular enough that its cast just got brought right back eventhough their stories were wrapped up nicely in P4. I haven't played P5 yet, so I'm not sure how popular or important that game is to the series yet.
>>15257112
>Maya is essentially a young adult
She was 23 in P2. How much time has passed since then? She's probably a mom by the time of P5.
>>15261877
He's most likely a policeman now, just like his older brother.
>>15266010
>feMC didn't have to die
>The power of yuri saves the day
I'd be ok with that.
>>15287522
Adachi was straightforward and unapologetic. It was nice to see that in a villain during a period of time when tragic backstories were the norm. He pushed that chick in on accident and then let the power get to his head. As a police officer, he was able to stay a step ahead of everyone else. I don't remember if he ever caught on to the mc being a persona user before the confrontation though. There was nothing redeeming about him though as mentioned in >>15287756
>>15292191
As others have mentioned, it was their inner conflict that manifested their shadow worlds.
58d559 No.15294398
>>15292998
>>15293273
Anal is a terrible fetish.
c76696 No.15302123
>>15252998
Yup. It's already bad enough they ruined my favorite jrpg franchise so please stay way from PE1 and 2. Have some mercy for god' sake! Plus it seems they even fucked the PE3 and 4 characters in PEQ and it's not like they were anything to write home with. So no way the current team working in Q2 can handle the characters of 2.
>>15255610
Interesting list there, hope it gets perfect someday but yeah; very hard to do that without some inside info since even both wikis (english and japanese) conflict each other sometimes.
Indeed, all shit hit the fan after Okada left, no way it's a coincidence. Still while I would like to put most of the blame on Hashino since most of the cancer started with PE3 - and look who worked on it! - maybe most of the blame are within the casuals. If it wasn't for them buying that cancer and making Atlus sees the easy money (why make personas with complex and elaborate plot or characters when shit like this sells well already) then maybe Hashino would be kicked out or someone with true passion for the good old days would have take over.
>>15267833
I wonder if I would get the appeal of social links if I was a retarded casual or something because I just…don't. if someone want to praise them for gameplay reasons, like the stuff they give you for doing them specially in PE5? You could have such stuff in far less convoluted ways, like in sidequests. Plus as you mentioned, some of those are kinda useless anyway.
And from a plot/story perspective, they're absolute trash. They ruin the pacing or make it make no sense ("we gotta save the world but first I need to ace that math test next week so no dungeon crawling for now. I'm sure the world can wait" or "I just want to continue the plot now but that would make me sleep each day until game decides to start the next events and open next dungeon") and it's weird how the social links just don't matter at all in the main game. For example, how in the fuck you can date all the girls in 3,4 or 5 and nobody even mentions that during the story? Not even when it should, like in serious or emotional moments when the, you know, girlfriends would want to say something only a girlfriend would to the main character in such moments?
Plus, if we judge them by their own storyline…most are boring or don't make sense. 3 have by far the worst ones, followed by 4 and then 5 of course. At least 5 have the most number of interesting characters to have a social link with, I will give you that. Still it's very hard to ignore just how most of them all is…boring or retarded even. like Yukiko from 4. "I don't want to work on the hotel". Then you max her SL and she's like "a-actually I want to work on the hotel! I just don't want to be forced doing it!" seriously WTF. SL need to go and now that Hashino is gone there's hope for that.
145056 No.15303495
>>15302123
>For example, how in the fuck you can date all the girls in 3,4 or 5 and nobody even mentions that during the story?
Persona 3 had an in game mechanic where if you dated multiple girls at the same time they can and will find out about it. The only way around it is to space your dates or get one girl to rank 10 and so on.
58008e No.15303547
>>15293257
That just means P3 was hard because the AI was retarded. If a game is only hard because the AI is retarded it's badly designed.
>>15302123
>someone saved that Cutie Honey screenshot
Neat.
a5a67e No.15304731
78d98e No.15307372
>>15302123
>I wonder if I would get the appeal of social links if I was a retarded casual or something because I just…don't
The appeal is simply in adding dating sim/VN mechanics to a game as a means of segregating character interactions. I don't hate the concept but as my post stated, it wasn't well executed in it's own right and honestly I'm not sure it was needed from the start.
>They ruin the pacing or make it make no sense
This is another thing, because in the P1/P2 while you could do side missions and additional content, the "dungeon time" was the only time frame that mattered. P5 specifically has the worst time juggling between letting the plot go forward and the social free time since everything is constrained to the calendar and individual periods of the day. Since no matter when you initiate a dungeons boss, nothing changes until the deadline it just feels weird that I can blitz a dungeon in a couple days and then nothing happens for weeks in game. Granted, from the beginning of my own playthrough I just waited until the last minute to send a calling card since there is no rush.
>3 have by far the worst ones
I'd rate it 3 > 5 > 4 if we're talking about writing and investment. Persona 4 is by far the least interesting bunch of characters to get put together, as much as I gripe about 5 at least it fixed some of the garbage that P4 was. And I actually care about the SEES squad more than any other main group from these three games so that helps.
82563e No.15307852
>>15307372
I think the reason 3 has so good characters might have something to do with having 2 senpais on the team that already have an understanding of personas and shadows. 4 and 5 have a bunch of chucklefucks who have to figure it out on their own
4e1b56 No.15308005
>>15292321
The way others view you were the rumor shadows from P2.
>>15292871
Your idol waifu a slut.
fdf437 No.15309103
>>15302123
>SL need to go and now that Hashino is gone there's hope for that.
Sadly, I wouldn't count on it at all.
Like I said, the social shit draws in a huge casual audience. P4 revitalized the company economically, and P5 is their best-selling game yet. So unfortunately, I don't see the mechanic of Social Links, Co-Ops, Confidants, or whatever else they want to call it, ever going away, unless by some miracle SMT or Etrian Odyssey sales boom heavily, and/or Persona sales drop.
Hashino leaving the Persona series to a different director is hardly relevant, 'cause you can bet your ass Hiraoka and the stockholders will warn them with zero tolerance against abandoning the gravy train. The most realistic improvement we can hope for is that the future developers will have the skill to make the life-sim mechanics better-paced and more bearable than Hashino has.
Also, to briefly correct myself: Eiji Ishida didn't direct Sharp FE on his own. He was rather a co-director, I guess.
c76696 No.15312459
>>15303495
A single scene don't mean game recognizes you did that. It means game only bothered to have a single scene during entire game for that. Don't be fooled anon. I'm talking about stuff you do in SL not mattering at all in the game's main plot, like it's not important you're like dating all the girls of the game and yet no one ever addresses it during the game's actual plot. And keep in mind that's just one example. Also I'm only speaking about the game itself, not even mentioning the OTHER characters. For ex, if you date all the girls In 3 you would think Junpei would have a LOT to say about such a thing.
Now let's go for a more "serious" example of something minimum they could have done to at least pretend the shit you do in any SL do matter. Let's assume you date "only" Mitsuru or yukari. And yet…Aigis is the one you "sleep" on in end of game? Really? Wouldn't make more sense if that happened on the girl you love? But nope. Game don't recognize that because the SL don't matter. Your choices don't matter (and don't fall for that "b-but your choices lead to different endings" crap). Game have a plot that don't change at all, from start to finish and don't recognize anything else you do during SL and such.
78d98e No.15312540
>>15307852
>I think the reason 3 has so good characters might have something to do with having 2 senpais on the team that already have an understanding of personas and shadows.
Having the group be pre-established is definitely a plus for the writing. It gives the MC a better. The group also has a lot more internal friction, they aren't really friends at the start and more co-workers which gives them a more interesting than in P4-5.
1541ff No.15313572
>>15312540
>>15307852
See this is one of the reasons why I dislike P3 more. I feel way more invested when the character I'm controlling is there at the start of things. It's kind of bullshit to be told "you're the leader" when there's people that have obviously been there longer and know more than you. This also made characters like Mitsuru feel unapproachable. I never once bought her S-Link because it felt massively out of character to the main story. I never once felt in the main narrative that Doorkun had a shot with Mitsuru because they never once had a personal moment between them. I honestly thought she had better chemistry with Akihiko and this is coming from someone who thinks Mitsuru is best SEES girl. For better or worse I buy the P4 and P5 protags's relationships more because the possibilities are at least seeded in the main narrative, even if links don't enter into the main story as much as they should. Let's not pretend 3 does a better job with that. If anything it handles it the worst.
As for the quality of the cast between the three games, I've got mixed feelings. I played the games in order and right about when they came out too (P4 hadn't come out yet when I played P3), so it's not like I've got a bias to the new games based on nostalgia like some would. I honestly enjoyed the P4 cast more than the P3 cast specifically because they were more friends than the P3 cast. Those "internal conflicts" between SEES that you were talking about honestly were some of the things I liked least about each character, like Junpei's "why am I not the leader!" whining or Yukari's bitchiness towards Mitsuru. Those were all things that made me like the characters less. Good character conflict can indeed make relationships feel more alive, but I don't think P3 had good character conflict, just artificial melodrama and given the choice between that and nothing I think I'd rather have nothing. I don't hate SEES or anything but I honestly thought the P4 cast felt more fun. P5 is a bit weird, because I like them well enough, especially certain characters, but there's no doubt that Atlus was treading familiar ground to P4 and there was less done to explore each character due to the different story focus this time around.
dd6325 No.15313591
>>15313572
I would love to see a Persona game where the cast of scooby doo faggots were literally just office worker co-workers.
1541ff No.15313611
>>15313591
>OL Waifus
Now there's a Persona game I'd love.
fdf437 No.15314559
This background looks like something straight out of PaRappa the Rapper.
I hope the game won't have any forced romance with the flowers.
363823 No.15315763
>>15292977
THE ONLY GOOD THINGs
f1fcfe No.15315782
>>15315763
YOU'RE MISSING SOMETHING
78d98e No.15315989
>>15313572
>I honestly enjoyed the P4 cast more than the P3 cast specifically because they were more friends than the P3 cast.
Probably because the P4 cast are friends, while the P3 cast are co-workers. That's the way I've heard someone describe it and it's a perfect fit.
As for the crew of P4 being more fun that P3, that's easy to understand as scooby-do murder mystery is more lighthearted than facing the ever looming countdown of the end of all life on earth. Persona 3's themes and visual stylings are far less lighthearted than the vibrant and bright colors of the world of P4 and it's cast.
> P5 is a bit weird, because I like them well enough, especially certain characters,
Personally I want them to remove the Ryuji/Yosuke/Junpei character and salt the earth where they stood. I hate the comic relief/idiot main male and every time Ryuji opened his mouth I felt a strong urge to grit my teeth in frustration.
Makoto and Yusuke were the best in the crew.
1ab7f4 No.15316512
>>15261185
did they manage to make "best scene" justice in the cartoon?
d0753a No.15316648
Glad to see that Persona 3's female MC is back in the limelight, in all her pink glory.
On that note, did Altus ever officially establish the colors for Persona 1 and 2? Persona 4's MC was yellow, (((Persona 3's male MC was blue))),
<Persona 3's female MC was pink,
and Persona 5's MC was red.
I myself don't think that Atlus has ever truly settled on an associated color for the first three Persona games. I also do believe that when the next game does happen,
>Persona 6's female MC will have green as its main color.
Green is the last of the 3 light primary colors. And Altus will likely opt for a girl for Persona 6 after having two guys in a row with Persona 4 and 5.
f1fcfe No.15316657
>>15316648
>Wanting another shitty FemC
Unironically kill yourself
bf563a No.15316859
I still don't get the unrelenting hate you autists have for Persona 3 onward. They took the series in an entirely different direction precisely because it dickrode normal SMT too hard and didn't distinguish itself as a spinoff. Persona 3-5 are almost universally beloved except here. This level of contrarianism is so fucking exhausting. Do you niggers even breathe?
f1fcfe No.15316885
>>15316859
>Persona 3-5 universally beloved
<Except in every serious Atlus game community
They have Bethesda's Oblivion onward level of hand holding and dumbing down of features. Persona 3-5 is the epitome of casualization of the Persona series. What's sad is they seem to be heading in the same direction with SMT since IV saw some of this as well. Hopefully when SMT V comes out and I play it on a switch emulator it won't be as shit.
1bdbf4 No.15316900
>>15316859
I would've been fine with the games as it is but they are infecting the mainline SMT games with their power of friendship bullshit (Apocalyse and SJ Redux's shitty new content). I only care about EO and PQ now.
145056 No.15316939
>>15316859
They are universally loved by everyone except those who actually play mainline, i.e. casuals. And the Nusona crowd pushback against mainlibe as much as mainline hates them.
1f39cb No.15316959
>>15316859
People tend to get a little upset when a company decides to ruin one of their series.
dd6325 No.15316960
>>15316939
>You'll never drop a Canister of Tear gas in the middle of a sweaty male/transexual anime cosplayfag orgy, only to run out, lock the door, and place a boom box in front of said door play "Last Surprise" on loop
Why live?
bf563a No.15316978
>>15316939
Why would you even pay attention to "fandoms" they are almost universally trash. Just play video games, dude. Stop letting these people fuck with your enjoyment of something. Your hatred only makes them stronger. They feel more validated the harder you push back. Just mock them and carry on with your life like a man. There are too many fun video games out there to get worked up over some stupid bullshit like that. Nu-sona as you out it has been around longer than the old games at this point. There is absolutely no reason to be this salty over a shift in direction that proved fundamentally popular and enjoyed by many more people than the older games. Why are you like this? Don't give me some snarky bullshit either. Take a step back and look inside. You have problems if a popular video game makes you this mad, and something tells me it has nothing to do with video games. SMTV is going to be fucking great, though I enjoy all of the games. Chill out my man.
145056 No.15317005
>>15316978
Sure, the guy who wrote a two sentemce post is the one who is mad, not the nusona player who feels the need to respond with two paragraphs. I've also played the nusona games and they were shit. Too easy, too hand holdy, the juxtaposition between social life and actual gameplay is too jarring, Persona 5 has my least favorite soundtrack of all time specifically, etc. We don't need to debunk why Nusona is different than mainline everytime. Here, let's quote OP who wasn't a faggot for once.
> If you're wondering why we don't talk about this in the SMT Thread, you're obviously a newfag who doesn't know enough about both series to know why that would be bad idea.
025876 No.15317042
>>15292191
I think this comes from how the giant talking eyeball and Izanami tell you that the Midnight Channel was only showing people what they wanted to see. There's also the fact that Chie, Yosuke, Mitsuo, and Namatame didn't appear on TV or the Midnight Channel beforehand, and their shadows didn't manifest as ridiculous TV personalities. Plus that part on December 3rd, where Yosuke is contemplating throwing Namatame into the TV, when Namatame's shadow appears on the Midnight Channel and conveniently confirms the party's fears, talking about continuing to "save" people, despite the real Namatame already knowing the horrible truth of his actions. It's implied that the 12/3 shadow Namatame appeared because the Scooby-Doo gang wanted him to be the killer.
f3b388 No.15317048
>>15316978
>Why would you even pay attention to "fandoms" they are almost universally trash.
Because the developers cater to them. Because franchises go to shit because of them. Because, in this case specifically, Atlus pretends like the original 2 Persona games don't fucking exist at all, and the bad features of P3-5 are spreading to mainline SMT.
You're a fucking imbecile if you think nothing bad will happen if you just let the casuals run all over the series or hobby you love.
78d98e No.15317375
>>15316859
>and didn't distinguish itself as a spinoff
Did you even play Persona 2? Persona 1 is the one that was closer to mainline games in terms of mechanics and story implementation. Persona 2 is when it figured out how it wanted to be different.
c0a4be No.15317423
>>15316859
>it dickrode normal SMT too hard and didn't distinguish itself as a spinoff.
Wrong. Persona was different enough from mainline SMT, and attracted new fans from the start.
There was no legit reason to change it, and even if there were, they did it in the worst way possible.
f1fcfe No.15317466
>>15316541
1st pic is my attempt.
>>15317423
>They did it in the worst way possible.
2nd/3rd pic/vid related.
3d209b No.15317469
I have a hypothesis, anons about a possible overarcing story. In P3-5 the main villain claimed to be representing some kind of human sin. it was death in 3, ignorance in 4 and control in 5. whati 'm saying is that Nyarlthotep (or however the fuck you spell it) could be the one pulling the strings from the background, setting them up to try and destroy the world without direct involvement. But he's been foiled at least 3 times now, meaning direct intervention may be needed…
f1fcfe No.15317475
>>15317469
We still got 4 more before he'll be out of sins.
3d209b No.15317483
>>15317475
I was more thinking about him trying to exploit the failings of humanity rather than the 7 deadly sins
82563e No.15317501
>>15317469
death is not a sin and neither is ignorance or control. The final sin of persona 5 was sloth
3d209b No.15317789
f1fcfe No.15318186
>>15317469
Analyzing what you're trying to say I came to the conclusion that the themes of the enemies in each of the games since 2 coincide with the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Death is obviously the pale horse, the red horse COULD be construed as ignorance (empire division), and finally the black horse is control (Imperial Oppression), this leaves the white horse which is sometimes interpreted as either God, the antichrist, or some other false god so I'm assuming that is where Nyarlthotep would step in. Given mainline's obsession with the four horsemen I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to make an entire arc like this out of them to be honest.
065a52 No.15324116
>>15252182
>Prrsona General
Purrsona? owo
1541ff No.15326113
>>15324116
I accidentally hit 'r' instead of 'e' and didn't notice until I already posted. I wasn't trying to do a thing. But since it still says "Persona" in the OP I figured people could still find it with ctrl f.
cce9c9 No.15326120
>>15316657
I don't mind FemC
as long as she is relegated to non-canon
cce9c9 No.15326149
>>15280536
persona 4 has some pretty deep stuff going on, with Adachi becoming a shadow and Teddie becoming human, I definitely preferred its cast over 5's
1541ff No.15326155
>>15326120
Well Persona Q is kinda weird pseudo-canon, where's technically canon, but happens in a plane out of time so the characters forget what happened when they go back to their own world. Don't know if it'll be the same this time or not.
1541ff No.15329464
>>15329376
>Need to be a genius to start her link
>She doesn't know what a hamburger is
Was it autism?
58008e No.15329525