/v/ - Video Games

Because fucking anyone could just slam 6 million bottles of skooma and do it themselves.

if morrowind is so good why isn't it story consistent with its own universes logic?

I think zero-summing must be arrived upon by the individual. Vivec could theoretically have conversed with Dagoth Ur and led him down that dangerous train of thought, but Ur was already beyond the point of considering that he was powerless in the world.

>>15213429

But doesn't the Nerevarine have CHIM?

I mean you can legitimately get to a point in the game where you can one shot Vivec and Dagoth Ur while they still derive power from the heart of Lorkhan.

It's not very clear how other people's CHIM stood up or whether it was the same way the PC's would.

My guess is that those god's might have CHIM as well or they might be so tied to the "gameworld" that they can't be removed.

The console does have some limits unless I misinterpreted and CHIM includes the Creation Kit or whatever the fuck it's called as well

>le Chim is the le creation kit

This reddit tier meme needs to stop. Does your knowledge of the creation kit result in the erasure of your character?

>>15213439

CHIM is achieved through realizing the world is a dream, not a game.

>>15213491

I disagree, as the Head Mod of the Unofficial Skyrim Fextralife Discord, I have the authority to say that Chim was the name of an Argonian temple who learned that the world was a game. This clever 4th wall breaking easter egg is often misattributted by 4channers as a sign of something deeper.

>>15213396

I think Vivec's form on Vvardenfell was much diminished from true Chim form, didn't he ascend to some higher, eternal plane and his mortal form was just a representation? Also, Dagoth Ur acts somewhat independently from regular spiritual laws because he's technically dead yet his soul isn't succed into the dream sleeve (the dreamer is awake), and he still has possession of the heart until Nerevarine fucks his shit up.

>>15213685

Also has anyone explained how chugging 200 fortify strength potions can give you powers equal to the Heart of Lorkhan for a couple minutes?

And why has nobody done it before?

>>15213693

shut the fuck up nerd

Because Vivec is a larping homo

>>15213734

Isn't he actually gay? Didn't he fuck Mogal Bal and produce like 80 monster kids or some shit like that?

But didn't he also fuck Alemexia so wouldn't he be bi?

Isn't it because Dagoth Ur was somehow connected to the heart or something?

As far as I know, Vivec did not truly achieve chim until after the events of the game, he was just aware of the concept

>>15213744

Yes, probably

Sermon 14 is some hilarious shit

>>15213746

CHIM has nothing to do with the divinity gained from the heart

DJ Daggy Def had a weird ass anti-backwards existence, but was still an inhabitant of the dream and someone with CHIM could still easily fuck his shit

>>15213396

>Implying the Skooma addict Daedra Prince fuckboy who betrayed his friend, fucked his wife, and stole a God of Man's powers has CHIM

>>15213770

Not zero-summing kind of requires that one be an arrogant asshole

>>15213823

So only cunts can achieve CHIM?

>>15213888

Not necessarily, but more or less, yeah

>>15213912

>If you mean physically then yes,but that does nothing since he will just be back the next time he falls asleep.

And wakes up in the dreamsleeve, where you can fuck his shit regardless

Chim is being a lucid dreamer.

The next step is becoming the sleeping god yourself.

Padomay and Sithis were brothers originally that quarreled over some hoe, Padomay killed his brother and achieved chim then sleeping god status in his own universe spawning TES.

Dagoth Ur is a inverse of this just as Numidium can be considered something out of the usual mechanism so can Dagoth Ur.

Also people with Chim can't do everything as they risk waking the sleeping god and ending everything.

>>15213932

I don't think there's any deeper explanation for it beyond "this portal can go there"

>>15213396

Not only is Vivec's form diminished but even if he did that'd just be one timeline.

Think about it: Talos achieved CHIM and he ascended to true godhood. But what has Vivec done with his powers? He got Azura to curse all of the Dunmer, fucked around with some Daedric Princes, and summoned a meteor and said "If you don't worship me I'll drop it on you!" like a desperate ex making an ultimatum. The stolen power isn't being used by one person but split up between three people. Neravar had a fraction of true CHIM but these three fuck-ups split it between eachother. One of them was even so retarded they sent assassins to kill Neravar Reborn and got their attention to kill them.

As for the timeline thing, Vivec references that you can just come back and kill him if you fail. He knows theres something beyond the timelines.

Shouldn't it be easy to avoid zero summing if you think of yourself as just one of many personalities of the Godhead?

that would be a very short game

Because the lying like never achieved CHIM. He is a lying kike who only kept up the illusion thanks to the power he stole from the heart.

>>15214028

It probably has more to do with mantling, where similar things become the same.

Sleeping is similar to death, therefore death is just an eternal slumber.

That's my guess at least.

>>15213396

because vivec is weak and sotha sil was right

>>15213396

>shitty game

>good writing

good joke op

>>15214478

>roll dice on the floor

>its morrowind gameplay

>>15214489

>Press "play" on my VCR

>It's now a videogame

>>15214499

>complete a quest

>It's still marked as uncompleted in journal

>>15214017

TES doesn't have multiple timelines, unless a dragon break explicitly occurs, dingus, and CHIM isn't neither a singular power that has to be split among those who have it, neither is it a power that the player character has. And it was Helseth that sent assassins to take out the Nerevarine, who was just a normal dunmer.

>>15214739

Helseth being the normal dunmer, not the Nerevarine.

>>15213396

From my point of view (which doesn't mean shit) you can look at this in two ways:

> 1. CHIM doesn't really give you reality-bending powers AND/OR Vivec didn't truly achieve CHIM (being only aware of it at best)

It's important to remember that the Heart of Lorkhan is the main source of power for the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur. Even just tapping into it is enough to make you a god. It also corrupts you with hubris, and seems to doom you to an inevitable tragedy. It is impossible to seperate the legend and myth of Vivec found in the Sermons and other ancient accounts from what actually happened.

The Heart is also a Tower. There's evidence that knowing the form and function of a tower can allow you to use it to greater extent. I've seen theories posted that Tiber Septim used the White Gold tower to retcon Cyrodiil being a jungle, *not* CHIM.

Maybe CHIM is less like lucid dreaming and more like being aware you are part of a greater consciousness or design? You see the wheel, but cannot affect or escape it without becoming the godhead.

>2. Vivec has motivations besides seeing Dagoth Ur fail

If you go with the CHIM = omniscient superpowers angle, then Vivec either knows exactly what will transpire in all possible futures or at least has strong powers of prophecy. So he probably knows that Dagoth Ur will die, the Heart will be destroyed, and that Almalexia will die as well. Perhaps he only did *exactly* what he had to do to ensure the above.

Think about it – the fact that he carries wraithguard on him allows the main quest (and, by extension, the above events) to be carried out even if the PC kills an essential character.

His dialogue also reflects a strong sense of regret for the actions of himself and the entire Tribunal. I feel his greatest motivations lie in helping the people that worship him (quite similar to Talos), and he probably realizes that the Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, and the Heart itself do Vvardenfell no good. Well, by the end of the game, all of the above are done away with.

>>15214917

Red Mountain is the Tower. The Heart is the Stone.

>>15213396

Isn't CHIM just the ability to savescum?

What's the deal with dragons? Why are they immortal? Exactly how powerful is Anduin meant to be within the context of TES lore?

>>15213693

I'd like to see you chug 200 bottles of anything within the span of a minute nerd

>>15214945

CHIM is the full awareness that the world is merely a dream, while keeping your own sense of individuality from the dreamer. The result is that those that have achieved CHIM have abilities similar to that of a lucid dreamer. They aren't totally omnipotent, though, as manipulating the dream too heavily risks waking up the dreamer.

>>15215035

But the potions improve your physical abilities to a point where rapid chugging is easy.

>>15214982

They're shards of Time itself. Materialized representations of time-spirit.

Alduin is part of the oversoul of Aka, representing the end of the kalpa/time. In game Alduin is shirking his function though, prefering to dominate instead of devour, and thus less powerful than he would be.

>>15214478

>beat the shit out of a man with my fists

>it doesn't actually hurt him until he's tired

>>15213693

It takes CHIM to realize that you can chug 200 fortify strength potions.

>>15213750

you know i've played morrowind quite a bit and never found sotha sil or almalexia.

are they part of a mod or am i looking at the wrong places? or maybe im just stupid i dont know.

>>15216226

You meet them in the main quest of the Tribunal expansion, which entirely takes place in the city of Mournhold.

>>15216233

guess i just never actually played the expansion. i played bloodmoon but not tribunal, even though i have it installed obviously.

i should get on that.

If only CHIM was able to be reached in real life. I can drink 200 liters of coke and benchpress an airplane.

>>15213396

That is not how CHIM works.

What are some good mods?

>>15216248

Tribunal is basically focused on some of the aftereffects of the Nerevarine prophecy being fulfilled. While you can do it almost immediately after starting Morrowind, it was clearly intended to be played through after doing, at least, the majority of the vanilla MQ, and makes most sense that way.

>>15216190

So the Nerevarine has CHIM and can thus savescum and chug infinite potions?

>>15216490

morrowind has just so much interesting content

>>15216494

CHIM has nothing to with the meta of TES being a video game. I'm ninety-percent sure you're intentionally asking stupid questions as some form of shitposting.

>>15216514

But potion stacking can literally turn you into a being more powerful and intelligent than a Deadric prince.

Stupid question my ass

>>15216558

You're doing the equivalent of asking why Dante can be impaled in a cutscene and act as if nothing is wrong, yet lesser enemy attacks cause him great harm during gameplay. It's this thing called "gameplay and story segregation", where gameplay mechanics don't necessarily correlate to the reality of the fictional setting.

>>15216615

AKA telltales of a shitty game design

>>15216615

The problem is that dissonance with morrowind's clunky gameplay has been built up by the fanbase as a necessary piece of the game's thematic storytelling, so the two tend to get conflated a lot even where it doesn't entirely make sense

>>15216615

It can be written off as Dante is a fucking demon and multiple attacks wear him down while a single impalement can be easily regenerated.

There's a big difference between that and doing 500 pieces of skooma and running across Vvardenfell is less than a minute.

So, do you guys consider KINMUNE to be canon?

>>15216641

You're acting like we think CHIM is somehow an excuse for shitty gameplay mechanics instead of a metaphysical concept that incorporates the fact that Morrowind is a video game into the lore of the video game.

>>15216668

I don't think that

Most people don't understand what the fuck CHIM is or think it's canon, so it's more often tied into the much simpler and actually-part-of-the-plot nerevarine prophecy

And yes, a lot of people do use that connection as an excuse, it's supposed to be that way, you're meant to be as OP as a god by the end of the game, I hear that shit all the time

>>15216694

I just got a rope that fortifies my magika to 150. Now I can cast 500 points of Jump for 1 second and literally jump across the entire map. And my acrobatics is 100 so I only lose 20% of my health when I hit the ground.

Vivec isn't shit

>>15216219

>CHEMS

Like the ones on Fallout?

>>15216661

>It can be written off as Dante is a fucking demon and multiple attacks wear him down while a single impalement can be easily regenerated.

>single impalement

>almost the first thing that happens to him in 3 is getting impaled in no less than three separate places, including an arm, leg, and through his chest, where he proceeds to calmly punt a demon into the opposite wall and slowly saunter over to a jukebox, karate-chopping it on and kicking the collective asses of the rest of the demons

>yet, in the immediate gameplay section, a few hits from the same demons can take him down from full health to dead

The answer to the potion problem is that Bethesda is made up of shitty developers that didn't think through the potion creation mechanic. Why do you think it got nerfed in the next two games? There's no big lore correlation, it's just poorly thought out game design and programming.

>>15216668

>a metaphysical concept that incorporates the fact that Morrowind is a video game into the lore of the video game.

But it isn't. One guy wrote an article about that being an interesting interpretation of the lore, then people kept spreading it around /v/ like it was definite proof. There's no indication that there is any awareness of any entity of the game that they live in a game. There's no proof that any of the metaphysical concepts in TES are meant to correlate to its literal existence as a video game series. All arguments for the idea are "game theory"-tier "but what if this similarity between two things isn't just coincidence?"

>>15216799

TES world isn't in a game it's inside a dream.

A dream is not a video game.

>>15216810

Yes. Thank you for agreeing with me.

>>15216815

I agree with you but you're still a faggot.

>>15213989

He banished Azura by speaking her true name.

I never did seriously play morrowind, definitely not long enough to acquire any nostalgia value, only dabbled in it as a kid. Is it a good old game to play, or does it need that nostalgia value to be enjoyable, i.e it hasn't aged well?

>>15217079

It's a fine game if you take your time and actually read dialog and books along the way. It's not all that great if all you want is to finish quests as fast as possible and level up as fast as possible. There's no training wheels in the game so people can go way overboard.

>>15217084

Gotcha. Now, I'm a min-maxer save scumming find everything kind of player, even in single player games. It's poison for my soul but I don't know how to stop. I have a feeling this game would torment me to no end, because it has stats, spells, weapon attacks, etc., all of which I would try to crunch down into numeric values. Would I still enjoy this game, even in spite of my nature?

>>15217107

Probably. If you know or figure out how, you can very quickly and easily break the game and become a nigh-indestructible god of devastation to the point where numbers mean the difference between destroying everything in a few seconds and destroying everything in a few seconds but harder. You could very easily ruin it for yourself, that way. Or, if don't do that, but your min-maxing autism seriously gets the better of you, you will utterly torture yourself trying to get the most optimum stats out of every little thing. It's best if you stick to whatever class you pick/create and focus on only trying to have a good character in that facet, if you can restrain yourself into doing that.

why didnt they just revive aeris with a phoenix down

>>15217079

You can get strong enough to cast spells that allow you jump over the entire map and if your acrobatics skill is high enough you can actually survive the landing.

With mods it's the best TES game hands down.

>>15217107

If you're a min maxer you will become a literal God that can jump over the map and shit out fireballs with 50ft AOE's.

The power you can achieve in Morrowind is insane.

>>15217311

Deadra were called demons in TES1, Arena was largely based on D&D

>>15217367

But is Azura even evil?

>>15217386

Daedra don't really follow the moral codes of good and evil, they just "are". Tamrielic societies grouped them into good and evil Daedra, but it's really just a division on which ones aren't quite as big assholes as the others. Azura isn't considered evil, but she's a pretty vain, selfish bitch.

>>15217386

It's hard to label most daedra as evil because their moral compass tends to be all over the place. Hircine prides the Hunt, Mehrunes Dagon idolizes destruction and change, and so forth. Azura is usually on the side of mortals, but it's almost always because she gets something out of it.

>>15217107

If you cant become a demigod in a game by autisticly crunching numbers its propably a shit game.

Note propably, not always.

>>15217311

Doesn't that make trannies demons?

>>15217499

Wasn't that obvious?

>>15217581

Who is Dagoth Ur's voice actor anyways?

He did a fucking perfect job

>>15217589

I can't believe DNGDR fucking changed it to some generic demon voice. I don't see how that mod got considered good by the general community.

>>15217603

the mod in general is very nice, and improves/makes more challenging some of the dwemer ruins, but the voice-change was completely unneeded.

>>15217698

What are the best gameplay mods?

Iv'e only installed Tamriel rebuilt and a lot of graphics mods.

>>15217698

It really isn't. There's a lot of bullshit traps, it arbitrarily restricts your abilities because the modder couldn't design the dungeon layouts around them, and it has a very cliche style of depicting the end portions. Turning the Heart chamber into a giant ribcage, really? A goddamn lava chase after destroying the Heart? Darknut obviously has no sense of subtlety, nor did he understand what made Ur a great villain, and it shows.

>>15217703

for gameplay, the two most important ones are the morrowind patch project and the morrowind code patch. the patch project fixes various bugs, and the code patch in particular fixes many things that other mods just don't, such as fixing pickpocketing, having summoned units attack enemies automatically without the need for the player to be attacked before they respond, enabling right-click magic use without need to get out your two hands in preparation (ie casting while still wielding a weapon), and more. it enables you to choose which features in particular you want to enable upon installing it, and it works just fine with cracked exes unlike some folks have claimed in the past, just install it after you install the crack.

aside from those two, i'd recommend getting one that changes the birthsigns/racial attributes, since the default are kinda meh. the one i use is BTB's Game Improvements, but there're others out there also. the BTB mod changes alot of stuff, i personally like it but there are multiple gameplay mods of this type out there so look and find one you like, as i think the default birthsigns and racial abilities are shittily designed. can read more about it in link below.

additionally, one called 'morrowind advanced' changes certain creatures stats, and makes things more difficult in certain areas.

darknut's greater dwemer ruins can be fun, but it's hit-and-miss and while i like certain portions of it, as >>15217741 mentions, it isn't necessarily better. i certainly wouldn't use it on my first mainstory playthru.

also, three mods from bethesda that i use are: area-effect arrows (which, in spite of the title, mainly is useful because it adds several arrow vendors where there weren't any before), adamantium armor mod (which adds a set of medium armor that makes medium armor actually worth getting, rather than being objectively inferior to light and heavy), and the ebq_artifact mod (forget the official title) which adds an adamantium helm which wasn't included with the 'adamantium armor' mod.

two absolutely essential mods are also: quick char, which can be found at the link below and enables you to jump right into the clerk's office and skip the boat-scene, and talrivian's state-based HP mod, which makes your HP based on your current endurance (and adjusts accordingly if you get a debuff from disease or w/e) rather than from what it was at the time that you leveled up.

the 'imperial legion badge' mod is nice if you plan to join the legion, because it enables you to receive a 'badge' item upon joining that qualifies you as a member, rather than having to carry around a chestpiece all the time from them.

graphical ones are easy to find and based on preference, won't go into detail on those here.

you can find a list here of various mods as well as download links (went thru and re-checked, most links are still working):

https://web.archive.org/web/20160318001100/http://btb2.free.fr/morrowind.html

>>15217777

Fucked checked m8.

And thanks m8

>>15217803

Could a CHIM user kill a deadric prince?

Or could you kill one by mantling them and then committing suicide?

>>15217807

np. also, forgot to mention, some of them might conflict with tamriel rebuilt, never used it so unsure but i imagine they would.

>>15217814

Daedric Princes are immortal avatars of their sphere. You wouldn't be able to completely kill a Prince, without also wiping away what they represent.

>>15217803

Is changing their skin color from yellow to ashen and their eyes red really a curse?

It's just a cosmetic change.

>>15217833

Develop a split personality disorder that hides away your original intent until after you mantle the prince.

Then kill yourself before the universe can unmantle you.

>>15217846

So they sort of work like Chaos Gods in 40k?

>>15217803

On that note. Imagine if in Oblivion, in order to banish Mehrunes Dagon and end the Oblivion crisis you'd have to discover his true names? (like in Battlespire) instead of that stupid Martin-dragon thing. RIP Jungle.

>>15217854

What if some god turned your skin dark?

>>15217886

>What if some god turned your skin dark?

I'd still have my striking Aryan features and I could point out how niggers really aren't human.

>>15217869

Not really, wh40k gods love to gloat that they can't be wiped without destroying the concepts they represent but the concepts existed before they became sentient.

if you decrease the degeneracy in the universe they will become weakened and stop being physical beings.

>>15217981

No they just think they are.

>>15217981

One of the dragon break's Mannimarcos became a god. Also, Talos isn't a single person turned god, but an over-soul of several different individuals. Furthermore, the Champion of Cyrodil became a god, and he/she could have been any race.

>>15217777

>the two most important ones are the morrowind patch project and the morrowind code patch

Nah. Nah. Nah n'wah. Nah. Fuckin' nah. S'wit.

The gamebryo engine base is a dumpster fire. Your first mission is to get OpenMW running. Then you don't even fucking need the code patch because bullshit CTDs don't happen anymore. Disregard the patch project too. It's maintained by faggots that change mechanics for m-muh balance. You need the Patch for Purists instead.

>>15217886

I really wish Oblivion let you go to a few other Daedra realms. The fact that you only went to Mehrune's Dagon's realm makes it seem like Oblivion is just some stereotypical "hell", but there's so much variation available. We never got to see

>Coldharbor

>`The sky is on fire,' I heard him say as he moved on to the next realm. 'The ground is sludge, but traversable. I see blackened ruins all around me, like a war was fought here in the distant past. The air is freezing. I cast blooms of warmth all around me, but it still feels like daggers of ice stabbing me in all directions.' This was Coldharbour, where Molag Bal was Prince.

>Moonshadow

>'Too much beauty,' Zenas gasped when he went to the next realm. 'I am half blind. I see flowers and waterfalls, majestic trees, a city of silver, but it is all a blur. The colors run like water. It's raining now, and the wind smells like perfume. This surely is Moonshadow, where Azura dwells.'

>Apocrypha

>Morian Zenas described to me an endless library, shelves stretching on in every direction, stacks on top of stacks. Pages floated on a mystical wind that he could not feel. Every book had a black cover with no title. He could see no one, but felt the presence of ghosts moving through the stacks, rifling through books, ever searching. It was Apocrypha. The home of Hermaeus-Mora, where all forbidden knowledge can be found.

>>15219261

>>Apocrypha

It's in Skyrim Dragonborn DLC

>>15219323

Skyrim always was a better game than Oblivion.

>>15219147

incorrect. i've gotten maybe 6 or 7 CTDs in hundreds of hours of gameplay, at most. i don't understand how you can justify getting openMW, especially with the recent issue of one of the lead developers abandoning the project.

openMW is completely unnecessary, and patch project + code patch work fine.

>>15219350

>I don't understand how you can justify getting openMW

Have you ever even used it? It's better in literally every single way possible.

>>15219350

>i don't understand how you can justify getting openMW

It's less buggy than the original exe, doesn't need a code patch, has more features like cell preloading, and has all the advantages of being an open source program? It's less a question of "why use openMW?" and more a question of "why not use openMW?", which is really only answered if you either really want to use mods that utilize MWSE or you're a graphics whore that needs shaders and distant land.

>>15219371

>>15219383

>>15219403

if my current morrowind setup works fine, negligible CTDs (mayyybe 6 or so in many hundreds of hours), and has certain gameplay mods that aren't compatible with openmw that i enjoy very much, then i have no justification for using it myself. the argument

>doesn't need a code patch

isn't really relevent when installing the code patch takes all of 2 minutes and then it's done.

if it became compatible with the various gameplay mods that i prefer using, has some of the other fixes that the code patch provides (such as having summoned units automatically attack hostiles rather than sitting still until the player is attacked aswell as right-click casting while wielding a weapon, to name only a couple of many), and if my current setup was buggy, then i'd use it.

but my current setup isn't buggy, so openmw being less buggy isn't really relevent since my setup isn't buggy either. the code patch took only 2 minutes to install, and thus it not needing one isn't relevent. and, while it being opensource is nice, it doesn't itself provide reason to use it when other things are lacking.

preloading cells does seem really nice, but when my current setup is pretty much bug-free and works fine, and again, the gameplay mods which i very much like using don't work on openmw, then i have no reason to use it.

>>15219383

Speaking of graphics whores, there's a mod called "HD Vanilla Textures" that replaces all the textures in the game with versions run through waifu2x that I highly recommend. It's literally vanilla-but-a-little-better. Everything looks nice and clear instead of other "high res" graphics mods that replace everybody's faces with photographs of real people poorly mapped over the mesh.

>>15219416

>then i have no justification for using it myself

No ones telling you to switch to it. Just don't suggest the code patch and patch project to others like they're the only options available, when something arguably better already exists.

>>15219403

You forgot that it's properly cross platform too and runs in Linux.

>>15219424

'arguably' better being the keyword, as openmw isn't necessarily better if someone has a morrowind setup that works fine, which would be the case with some patch like patch project or patch for purists, and the code patch.

the main arguments are

>less bugs

>no need to install code patch

>runs better

all three of which are nonissues when someone already has a setup that runs fine, isn't buggy, and has the codepatch installed (installing it is not any more difficult than installing another mod, you just run the install exe, select which features to enable/disable, and done).

>>15219445

"5 or 6 or 7 CTDs don't worry about it goy" isn't "works fine" in my book.

>>15219416

Out of curiosity, what script extender gameplay mods do you prefer using? I can only think of this one mod that let you buy and drive around a boat and even with that mod it's more of a novelty than anything I hope you're not using some game-breaking combat mod :^)

>>15219445

But you were suggesting to someone who only had TR and "graphics mods." Unless he meant "MGEXE" as part of "graphics mods", upgrading to OpenMW would be nearly as easy as using the code patch and come with features the code patch doesn't have. Also, the TR devs are planning on using OpenMW-specific features in later builds of TR, so, if that anon wanted to keep his setup compatible with future versions of TR, he'd have to use OpenMW.

>>15219456

that many CTDs in many hundreds of hours of gameplay isn't a big deal, no.

>>15219463

good point about the TR team, shoulda mentioned that to him.

>>15219463

Yeah to any player that's new to Morrowind or new to modding it extensively I'd say OpenMW is the way to go. It's nearly impossible to fuck up your install while modding in OpenMW, since you can just delete everything in it's mod folder and still have the vanilla game intact. I didn't know that about TR by the way, though to be fair someone could probably play the game tons of times by the time those later builds of TR are released.

reminder that you may never wander across non-shit versions of Skyrim and Cyrodiil in your lifetime. Project Tamriel completion never ever

>>15215035

>make potion that increases metabolism rate

>drink one after another

>the body starts being a direct route from your mouth to your dick

>keep drinking the potions

>kill everyone with infinite magic piss

>>15219147

OpenMW doesn't support MGE, I can't bring myself to use it.

>>15219456

>He's still crashcucked when I haven't had a CTD in years after developing clean save and reload techniques

Fetcher

>>15220181

Almalexia has historically been a problem area for TR, going through several redesigns. It's one of the reasons they spent a very long time restructuring their development process.

>>15219620

>infinite magic piss

>not enchanting your dick to shoot flesh eating sperm

>>15220181

>>15220294

>Playing on original Xbox

>Go to fight her Hands for fun and profit

>Game crashes the second combat starts

>Every time without fail

>>15220476

Almalexia the city, not Almalexia the person.

>>15217803

Mehrunes Dagon is most probably the Jumping demon reffered to in one of many lore books. The jumping demon hid pieces of the previous kalpa within then current one which caused Alduin to be unable to consume the world. The jumping demon was punished by being forced to destroy the pieces of the previous kalpa he hid within the current kalpa so Alduin may resume his duty.

>>15220589

You didn't even get to the stuff she was up to in Tribunal.

>sleeps with all her guards

>one of the guards wants to stop

>send the reincarnation of her dead husband to kill her ex-lover

>>15220641

>sleeps with all her guards

Where did this come from? I don't remember this.

>>15220641

Where do I get Azuras star? I want to Soul Trap Vivec, Almalexia, and King Helseth so I can wear the souls of those who have fucked with me in this life and next in my Armor.

Also what would be some humiliating enchantments to use for their souls?

>>15220722

Go to Azura's statue on the east coast and it will start the quest

>>15220722

>Where do I get Azuras star?

You have to do Azura's quest. Find her shrine, on the southeast tip of the island.

>>15220750

>>15220749

Thanks nigs

>>15220514

>believing snow nigger legends

>>15220393

sseth, pls stop

>>15220793

>sseth

But he did the best Morrowind review

>>15220804

I simply cannot get over this fag's lisp

>>15220852

He's not gay, he's Danish.

>inb4 What's the difference?

>>15220915

>it's even possible to turn a Daedric Prince back to its former role?

It's worked with Uncle Sheo… of course he was the Prince of Order before, so….

>>15220950

>Danish

He live streamed once and I swear he was Ulster-Scot.

>>15220915

well Jyggalag may have done it but considering that there was no trace of him or his cult in skyrim how effective it was is up for debate

it may be that he doesn't want to get cursed again so he's staying way under the radar, it may be that he hasn't built up any followers in the last 200 or so years since he regained control, or maybe he lost all of his power when the hero of kavatch mantled Sheogorath and is now just an empty husk floating in oblivion, or maybe he has bigger plans and him and his spys are getting ready to overcome us all. who knows

>>15220950

>>15220959

does he have braces or something or do they just not use proper TH sounds where he comes from?

>>15220915

Uh yeah, it's called CHIM

You can do almost anything with CHIM

Here's a better question, could a tes character take over the mind of the godhead dreamer

>>15221068

Coulda swore he mentioned he was Jewish in one of his videos.

>>15221094

>could a tes character take over the mind of the godhead dreamer

Yes, it's called Amaranth. Miraak was trying really hard to do that, before you stopped him.

All of TES lore is shit.

Morrwind is extra shit.

>>15221112

He's a /pol/ack who hates Jews and makes fun of them at the end of literally every single one of his videos.

>>15221214

As it turns out I've watched a lot of his videos. He refers to his Patrons as members of the (((Merchant's Guild))), which is what you're referring to. There are also plenty of Jews who embrace the memes. Of course the best thing would be for me to actually post the video with timestamp, but I don't remember which one and can't look it up right now.

>>15221209

If I remember right Kirkbride based the lore on actual religious tests. I think it was primarily Hinduism.

So it basically is actual theology discussion.

>>15221231

post khazar milkers right now or youre lying

>>15221238

I was under the impression it was a mix of a bunch of eastern ,non-abrahamic religions.

>>15221279

Why not just ask Kirkbride? He seems to live /v/.

>>15220722

>humiliating enchantments

Not sure what type but putting the most hated one in your boots might be an idea.

>>15220722

Enchant each soul into an expensive ring, the ones with the green emerald gem. The enchantment should be

>Restore Health 5 points on self for 1 second

Take this ring and deposit it into a stump in a cesspit in Seyda Neen. You know the one.

>>15221480

Fuck you you tax evading bosmer kike, do I have to send another ex-convict to collect taxes?

>>15221160

(you)

>>15221518

Why is Poland salty about China?

>>15221272

>Don't worry anon, neither of us want kids.

Kek! I hope you are mentally ready to parenting the local rabbi bastard kid, because you will be cheated and cucked for sure!

>>15221518

>pic is related, you are the fat one

Get me every time.

>>15221673

I agree, it's overwhelmingly arousing.

>>15221673

cry me a river

>>15221272

>My pet Jew doesn't want kids

Don't be surprised when you find the crawlspace laden with dead gentile children drained of their blood.

Welp I have 2 million intelligence and my fortify magicka and fortify health potions are never ever wearing off.

I can cast an infinite amount of super nuke spells.

>>15222077

Just seems weird, I guess.

>>15219323

Apocrypha in skyrim pissed me off because they went all in with the meme eldritch aesthetic, no actual shelves or ghosts to be found

It makes for better "dungeons", but doesn't feel at all like a library

Though I guess it's still better than making the soul cairn into the spoopy ghosts n' goblins plane

I had always made fun of the fake "necromancy" in morrowind and oblivion just being you summoning skeletons from the skeleton dimension, but it's like that was actually what it was supposed to be

>>15219403

Aside from setting up a dick-sucking mythos for himself, the 36 lessons were a subtle way for him to help the other dunmer reach enlightenment, they just couldn't see it because they were dicks and it was encoded in vivec's nonsense bullshit

He did care about his people to some extent, he was just also a massive asshole who saw more fun in doing shit he knew would never actually help so he could act smug about it when they didn't get it

Pretty much the premise of most actual religions

>>15222040

Fuck I love that art

I wish TR would focus on questlines for a bit so there'd actually be shit to do in necrom

>>15220669

Combine a knowledge of the fast travel system and a ring of divine intervention + ring of almsivi intervention and you can get anywhere in minutes, combine with boots of blinding speed and a permanent levitation amulet and you can get anywhere on the entire map faster than it takes Skyrim's fast travel to load.

>>15222279

I used alchemy to achieve apotheosis and now I jump so fast I break the game.

>>15222278

How did Dagoth Ur get so ripped? Do you think he lifts?

>>15222424

He's a god

>>15222424

I would be ripped to if I was literally in a dream

>>15222438

Snake eater?

>>15222433

Doesn't Talos own Nirn?

>>15222457

Talos is most likely the only mortal who ever actually achieved Amaranth after CHIM.

And is still by far the most powerful being in TES.

>>15222472

Everything written by Kirkbride is canon.

>>15222483

Fuck off Todd.

>>15222502

Kirkbride is writing for ESO now.

>>15222483

>>15222497

Reminder that Kirkbride wrote most of the lore while being in a LSD-induced mindfuck trip.

>>15221214

>>15221235

Found it. Could still be considered a entirely a joke, but I don't think it is.

End of the video. Around the 7:20 mark.

>Video posted Dec 21st

>"Have a Merry Christmas"

>"Sadly we Jews don't celebrate Christmas"

>"Because we killed Jesus."

Obviously he's kidding around here as he always does, but he could have easily omitted lumping himself in with them and the joke would still work.

>>15222511

But that's why the lore is so interesting.

>>15222511

Amphetamines and sleep deprivation, though its mostly semantics.

>>15222537

Which is why the lore afterwards, with Oblivion and it's DLCs were painfully generic, probably Bethesda wanting mass appeal to the normalfags.

>>15222556

But Knights of the Nine was written by Kirkbride and Shivering isles was great.

>>15222578

I agree that Cyrodill should have been a jungle but could Skyrim be anything other than Scandinavia while still adhering to the lore?

>>15222578

Sad that he got hamstrung'd by management, I just imagine him being Dreamboy while Todd mocked his ideas and writing.

>>15222586

And he left afterwards, I remember he wrote a lot of lore related stuff in the Imperial Library site, some of them were ideas deemed "too insane" for Morrowind and Oblivion.

>>15222608

If I ever get rich i'm buying TES and letting Kirkbride make his own canon TES game.

Free acid will be provided.

>>15222647

And he's just being used as justification for any retarded changes they make to the lore through ESO atm. Any time they make a retarded change, they point to their "loremaster" and let him figure out some bullshit justification, rather than actually maintaining the lore. They should've fired this guy and made Kirkbride the lead writer or creative design for mainline ESO titles.

>>15222627

They'd never sell it to you. It's one of their few actual profitable I.Ps.

>>15222608

If I ever get rich i'm buying TES and letting Kirkbride make his own canon TES game.

>>15222667

>They'd never sell it to you. It's one of their few actual profitable I.Ps.

If I was a billionaire they'd buy it.

>>15222679

Kirkbride sucks their dicks a lot despite his occasional misgivings, so he might not even go along with it

>>15222692

I'd bring along most of the old devs maybe even Todd if he signs a legal document where he promises to stop lying.

>>15222705

He'd probably go blind just by reading it.

>>15222705

>>15222720

>Todd keeps several replica elder scrolls in a safe in his office

>together they form a comprehensive list of every lie he's ever told

>>15222705

Like it or not, Todd is an incredibly valuable asset for marketing

I still think he doesn't lie on purpose, he's just the gamedev equivalent of a massive casual and gets too excited over the shit they're trying to do

>>15222679

They make billions with each elders scroll anon.

Or at least a billion, i'd imagine.

>>15222692

Probably in hopes of getting back in and working on his dream projects. If the guys STILL making lore for the elders scroll world, its obviously important to him. You don't piss off your only in.

>>15222742

Lies or not, yeah, despite being a meme, he's essentially the face of elder scrolls and the innocent part of Bethesda that kids grew up with. He's also got a lot of charisma.

>>15222773

>They make billions with each elders scroll anon.

>Or at least a billion, i'd imagine.

Then i'd buy it for 2 billion.

>>15222647

This image is a lie, Colonel Sanders never actually said those words.

I have challenged every person who has posted that image to provide proof that he actually said it and none have.

>>15220722

>Also what would be some humiliating enchantments to use for their souls?

Some colovian fur hats above your fireplace.

Can you enchant coins? Never tried it.

>>15222887

"It doesn't matter who says things as long as the message goes through" - Todd Howard

>>15223125

>Not making an Almalexia dakimakura with her soul

>>15219403

>mod directory separate from the game's data folder allows for better mod install/uninstall

Holy fucking shit I've been doing it wrong this whole time. I was still manually merging stuff into my main data folder like some sort of barbarian.

>>15222526

Their international operation is completely different, and the AK design didn't look like that until after WWII. Go ask /k/ about it.

>>15223968

*internal operation

>>15224804

That might be true if not for the fact A. Everything that comes out of azura's mouth is a lie, and B. You don't have to be the neravarine.

>>15224850

This is something people don't seem to understand about Azura, she is probably the Daedra of lies. Her realm is so blinding that the one visitor who recorded it imagined wonderful things. Her followers often claim to be able to see the future, a common trait of scammers.

>>15224850

This, you aren't actually Nerevar. You're not even the reincarnation of Nerevar. You're just some dude lucky enough to catch old Uriel's horoscope ads one morning who got wrapped up in a bunch of shit and ended up being good enough to fuck everybody in his path.

>>15223284

What better way to humiliate her than to force her to be a pillow?

>>15224880

Force her to be Yagrum's pillow.

>>15224869

Azura is all about half-truths, lies by omission that can't immediately be proven as lies. Like how twilight is not quite darkness, her prophecies are not quite truth.

>>15224804

you play as an ex-cuck looking to get revenge on those who cucked him

>>15224913

The PC isn't the Nerevarine though, he was just really good at imitating him so it didn't matter if he was or not.

>>15224916

As soon as you're given Moon-and-star you are actually the Nerevarine, in TES if you imitate someone well enough the dream can't tell the two of you apart and you become what you emulate.

>>15224921

This is Azura we are talking about, she was probably talking out of her ass about the whole ring killing the unworthy thing.

>>15224926

Seeing as how your PC probably shacks up with Ahnassi, I suspect he doesn't care for Almalexia much anymore.

>>15224913

How in the fuck can you be an ex-cuck?

You play as a cuck who gets revenge on 2 out of 3 of the gods who cuck you(3/3 if you count Sotha Sil getting killed because you severed their connection to the heart).

>>15224869

Azura is a wonderful person and every single dunmer should worship her.

Azura is love Azura is life.

>>15225003

-t. Azura

>>15225004

Azura is the only benevolent Deadric Prince and since all the Aedra are to weak since the creation of mundus she's the only deity in all of TES worth worshiping.

Let's all love Azura

>>15225006

Yeah, but it could have been all of that and you're a loser.

>>15225033

>makes entire race cig skins

>benevolent

>>15225061

The ambiguity is in whether or not you really are Nerevar reborn. You're the Nerevarine in that you carry out all the events of the prophecy, and that's the most important part, but there's no concrete evidence either way as to if Nerevar's soul got reincarnated into you. It's not all that important, but it does determine whether or not you're actually getting revenge, on people who wronged you, by destroying the Heart.

>>15225089

>You're the Nerevarine in that you carry out all the events of the prophecy

You don't, though. All variations of the prophecy include the Nerevarine driving the outlanders from Morrowind, which never happens.

>>15225095

Well given that Red Mountain erupts after the events of Morrowind you drive pretty much everyone, including outlanders, out of Vvardenfell, so it's a start I guess.

>>15225109

The eruption was caused by the meteor falling, and the only thing preventing that was Vivec. But since the Tribunal's connection to the Heart had been severed, he was going to lose his power no matter what.

I really want an ES game set in the far, far future of the universe, like in the 9th era or something. Could make for some cuhrazy shit if it was done right.

C0DA is a decent example but not magi-tech enough.

The Dwemer were always one of my favourite parts of the series, the society really interests me and I just want to see more sweet tech in a universe where convential technology is impossible.

>>15225095

None of the actual prophecies you discuss with Nibani Maesa say that in any way. They mention casting down the Tribunal and keeping promises to respect the old ways of the Velothi people, but nothing of driving out the Empire or any other foreign forces. If I remember correctly, she, or some other authority, even suggests that driving out the outlanders got added in by hopeful ashlanders, much like how the Nerevarine being an outlander was probably intentionally forgotten.

>>15225061

>The spirits of the failed incarnations in Azura's cave seem to imply the opposite, in fact.

The fact that there ARE spirits of failed Nerevarines proves that it is, essentially, luck. Azura's been shotgunning this incarnate business for millennia trying to make anything stuck. She sends her little "you are chosen" vision to people and Dagoth Ur sends his little "dreams" to the same people because Dagoth Ur doesn't fucking know either, he's just got a broadcast that keys in on Azura's pawns.

And prophecy! What were the first words you ever saw in Morrowind? "Without the hero there is no event". These prophecies are basically self-fulfilling. Azura said she'd do something, and she tried to do it again and again and again and again until eventually the dice struck gold and she got a genuine CHIMnigger fresh off the boat.

>>15225156

I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it.

Incidentally, Nibani Maesa actually sums up the player character's fulfillment of the prophecy very well:

You are not the Nerevarine. You are one who may become the Nerevarine.

>>15217386

Azura is moderately evil, but like most people said most of the Daedric Princes(ses) aren't necessarily bad.

Meridia is considered to be mostly good by mortals in-universe (she used to be an Aedra), while Sanguine and Sheogorath are just mischevous, self-indulgent and homicidally insane.

>>15225061

I believe that you weren't Nerevar when you got off the boat but you become Nerevar by mantling him to a point where buy the end of story to acquire his soul and become him.

>>15225192

This anon gets it.

>>15225191

Meridia used to be an Aedra?

Polite sage for double post.

>>15225122

So why didn't that cunt drop the meteor into the sea before he sent you to kill Dagoth Ur when he knew that he'd lose his divinity.

What a fucking asshole, killed more Dunmer than Dagoth Ur ever did.

>>15225134

Since when is normal technology impossible in TES?

>>15225156

Not to mention the prophecies where created long before the empire ever took over Morrowind.

>>15225192

>>15225200

I disagree with the idea that you actually literally acquire Nerevar's soul and become Nerevar, at any stage in the game. There's a huge difference between a champion that happened to finish the tests and actually being reincarnated Nerevar. The tests were intentionally vague and wishy-washy so that ANYBODY could get in there and fill in the blanks.

It's like saying "you may become the Vivec" and then over the course of the game you paint half your body gold and learn about sodomy. That doesn't mean you literally became Vivec. It means you completed some arguably arbitrary tasks that someone (who is known to all to be a liar) arbitrarily declared made you "Vivec".

>>15225204

>Meridia used to be an Aedra?

More like a Magna Ge

>>15225213

>Since when is normal technology impossible in TES?

This has always been a failing in fantasy settings that's rarely ever explained well. The best headcanons often point to the existence of magic basically "out competing" technology so that there's never a need or desire to advance it. Others use cyclical world destruction as an excuse to say that the world is destroyed and re-born and because of that they never break out of their technological state.

>>15225240

More like a Magna GAY

>>15225217

Well then why not slowly drop in the sea before fucking off to Akavir or wherever the fuck he went?

>>15225246

But the Dwemer

>>15222511

Does anyone have that comic of Kirkbride crawling out of his drug coffin?

>>15225262

Did you miss the part where the Dwemer were all annihilated from the face of the universe in an instant?

>>15225271

Wait they still have a legion base on the moon in the fourth era?

>>15225283

No. Most of the sci-fi stuff was effectively purged, starting with Morrowind (or maybe Redguard). The last game to have any sci-fi stuff in it was Battlespire.

>>15225287

But Skyrim still had Dwemer ruins with robots and shit.

>>15225290

Automatons powered by soul gems isn't really sci-fi in my book.

>>15225246

>>15225213

I'm pretty sure the advanced physics of our universe don't really exist in TES and everything happens through a form of magic. I mean, the sun is a fucking tear in reality and all the stars are just smaller ones. Aside from basic principles such as biology, friction, convection, etc., I don't think there's many similarities. I mean, (conventional) space travel (outside the "orbital" sphere of Nirn) is literally impossible.

>>15225303

Maybe the physics of the world is limited because the world is a dream and the godhead isn't omniscient. For all we know the godhead could be a coma patient in Texas who never passed 10'th grade.

>>15225274

''stop avatarfagging you faggot

>>15225287

didn't betheshit put a skyrim artifact in fallout 4? the skyrim universe is now the same as the fallout universe i guess

>>15225310

No, the godhead was a godlike being that killed his brother over a wench. He achieved Amaranth, became the godhead, and restructured the universe with he and his brother playing the opposite roles of their tragedy, representing stasis and change, and creating the rest of the et-ada through their own interplay.

>>15225396

Where is it ever mentioned that anu or sithis did any such thing?

>>15225273

Thanks guy.

>>15225396

Padomay is not the Godhead dumb dumb

>>15225348

why do cute girls suck dick

>>15225418

She's not that cute anon.

>>15225412

>>15225407

I don't know, I distinctly remember reading multiple sources stating that, including what I thought was a page on UESP, but I can't find any of it, anymore. Maybe some other anon has some insight as to where the fuck I ever got that idea.

>>15225424

She's pretty cute

Solid 8

>>15225591

IT'S JUST A THEORY

>>15225220

They may be a little more entwined than what you're making it out to be, though. I think that though you may have only become the Nerevar due to being in the right place at the right time, you BECOME the Nerevar in the sense that you are mantling him since so many people, including yourself, believe yourself to genuinely be the Nerevarine. In this universe if everyone believes someone to be someone else, then they are only that other person (see: Talos)

>>15225134

>convential technology is impossible

Last time I checked Tes had swords, and shields, and doors

I haven't given morrowind a try yet and I really want to, are there any absolutely must-have quality of life mods to use or is it perfectly fine to play it completely vanilla? I really don't want to bother with modding when starting out

>>15226723

OpenMW

>>15226640

Wouldn't turning their souls into useful enchantments be the most spiteful considering that I killed them?

>>15226723

STEP + Tamriel Rebuilt

https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/

http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Morrowind

Install TR after STEP.

>>15227281

What if you put a CE damage health on self enchantment on very expensive pants and reverse pick-pocketed into her guard. They should equip it, right? AIDS pants seems fitting too.

>>15226723

Solstheim Rumor Fix is the only essential mod.

>>15226723

>>15227773

Solstheim Rumor Fix and DB Delay. Run through OpenMW, ideally. Some texture mods wouldn't hurt.

I made a "plug-in-play" texture pack by compiling shit for one of my friends, but I think I accidentally deleted it. Shame.

>>15225283

>>15225287

>>15225213

>>15225246

Just a point here: Technological advancement in TES is ass-backwards because of the way time works. The tech in the 1st Era was better than in the 2nd Era, which was better than in the 3rd Era, which was better than the 4th. In the 1st you had all manner of crap created by the gods, and even by the 2nd you still had moon-bases, ships, and all of the other Reman-era bs floating around. The only things left by the end of the 3rd Era were a couple of ships, and the Battlespire, which was lost to teh machinations of Mehrunes Dagon. In the 4th Era, there's absolutely nothing left. The world is literally dying, and by all rights, Alduin should eat the kalpa and let another one come into play.

With Alduin sent back to Aka-Tusk, though, it's unknown what might happen next. It seems that by the 5th Era, technology begins to improve, and continues to get better over time. So for whatever reason, something in the 4th Era happens to stop the degradation over time, and instead begin magi-tech acceleration.

>>15227773

>>15229222

You don't need those mods if you don't enable the fanfic expansions (they weren't made by the same team that made MW)

>>15229798

>they weren't made by the same team that made MW

Yes, they were.

>>15230184

>all these new voice lines I've never heard before

Playing as a vampire was funny for this reason. Everyone hates you and tells you to fuck off.

>>15227697

You can't reverse pickpocket in Morrowind. It's possible to sell such items to vendors, and without MCP they can equip them if they're better than what they're currently wearing (most noticeable when selling Dark Brotherhood armor to NPCs) but if they die, you get charged with the murder.

>>15231268

>I curse you vampire! Away!

>>15231462

Morrowind has some really stupid design when it comes to crime.

I murdered the King and I only had to pay a 40 gold fine.

>>15231268

All of these factions refuse to let me even join because I only have 25 Personality and Personality is a required attribute for the faction:

>Imperial Cult

>Imperial Legion

>Thieves Guild

>Temple

Technically the Blades and Nerevarine Cult also require Personality, but you can't avoid them. I'm going to have to murder every member of the aforementioned factions.

>>15234611

>local Orc drives the Empire out of Morrowind and slays the false gods because they thought she was ugly

>Dagoth Ur was unavailable for comment