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>>15188955

Too computationally intensive. Can't have all those god-rays and 4k textures at 144fps at the same time.

>>15188963

Of course, nothing makes a game more interesting without em

>>15188963

>144 fps

Except current consoles are struggling to run AAA titles at a stable 30 fps.

>>15189057

Did they put fucking multiplayer on it yet?

>>15189051

>consoles

Who gives a fuck about those? You might as well bring up mobile phones.

>>15189084

Oh yeah definitely

check out the trailer,they used a fan made song albeit a bit remixed,i think they contacted the creator of it,that shows some real love for your fans.

>>15189084

They updated the original to use steamworks instead of Gamespy a while ago, the remastered version uses steamworks as well.

There's an anon in the aggy daggy threads that is working on a game with better destruction physics seemingly better than RFG. It's in super early stages but it looks promising.

I really wish they'd bring it back. Some faggots would call it a gimmick, but when done right it's amazing.

>>15189141

Woops, fucked up my post. I'm phoneposting sorry.

They traded it for more realistic lighting, post-process effects and small particle effects.

I want to make a game with very basic graphics (think original FEAR) except with dynamic lighting and complete destruction physics.

>>15189182

Anybody have a webm of when Druckmann was giving that speech on game design and flat out said "we have an agenda when we design games" and goes on to talk about feminism and shit?

>>15188963

>Too computationally intensive.

is it really? I've alway been thinking it's more about laziness of devs

>>15189252

Look up Dunning-Kruger

>>15188955

What technique is used for destruction physics, octrees?

>>15189252

>>15189255

Now I don't know exactly what you wanted to get out of Dunning-Kruger but I believe the trade-off of ridiculous, unnecessary graphical strides vs game-play interactivity is a negative sum stride for modern day games and (while I admittedly can't do it myself) is more than likely outside the ability of more than 3/4ths of today's game developers.

>>15188955

All the actually skilled programmers were replaced with communists.

>>15189292

I think a lot of large studios hired a bunch of people who want to turn the video game industry into the movie industry so what you end up with is 100 staff working on design and 5 programmers who think about gameplay.

I never played a game where destruction physics were anything more than a gimmick with little to no meanigful choices attached to it. BFBC2 destruction was easily exploitable in maps with objectives inside buildings, destruction also meant small linear maps and simple repetitive geometry instead of well laid out buildings. In RFG instead you just go on and on destroying stuff with no thought but I guess that was the point of the game, I also think it is pretty difficult to design ai able to understand and react to destruction physics.

Modern developers simply decided to take less risks and avoided exploring this technology further considering the mediocre results and performance costs, and that's bad, but I don't think muh diversity is the cause of it considering that R6 Siege is the only recent game that tried expanding on small scale destruction with some success.

>>15189526

The thing is the higher levels of siege play are all about destruction and intelligent use of utility. Once everyone knows most of the common angles and has good shootout sense/reflexes you need to use vertical and horizontal destruction, explosives, etc. to make pushes on dug in enemies who are actually good and have their own traps set. This goes for defense as well with the use of impact grenades you can create denial points from sneaky vertical angles. One of the hardest things to master is using cam information to nitro cell someone who is a floor above you unless well you use pulse and just wait for people to plant or stop moving.

>>15189526

You should play Silent Storm, it makes a huge difference there.

>>15189427

And diversity.

>>15189669

>>making a good game

You can't have a good game without decent internal systems that affect gameplay. Of course goymers are happy to buy lootboxes and FPS in small maps so it matters on what your definition of "good" is, if good is profitable then that new Command&Conquer should be pretty good.

>>15189677

TBH it's probably the most creative game ever made the person who invented the soft mira "meta" even though it's pretty stale is beautiful in it's simplicity.

You just use a low mira window and use her almost useless secondary shotgun and make a couple high holes above the window and use it so you can toss nitro cells at people who can't even see you. Most mira's don't do this and they probably should seeing as how it's especially powerful when you use it on a staircase and know when some faggot shield and his posse are about to do some dumb push.

>>15189830

I agree but it's not really about the "Physics of Destruction" it's about having good destruction mechanics in game and projectiles are physics weapons such as grenades/nitro cells etc. I never mentioned "destruction physics" specifically I was just referring to the general concept of "Destruction of the environment is actually highly rewarding in game."

>>15189856

How many times do we have to send you back? Get the fuck off the internet and finish your mission, if you fail again I swear we'll find someone else we can deploy.

>>15189109

BC2 was made for consoles.

>>15189902

Do you have proof for that?

>>15189830

i should clarify that i don't advocate purchasing siege even if I myself really enjoy it. It's what i consider a good game with woefully incompetent developers who almost ruin what they have every single update

>>15189912

http://archive.fo/ZE3LN

>Battlefield: Bad Company, which launched on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in June 2008, was the first in the series to feature a fleshed out campaign with characters and the first to be built specifically for consoles. It revolved around squad combat, with a story that was praised for its humour, and competitive FPS multiplayer some said was the best on console at the time.

There is no excuse for not doing destruction physics due to consoles.

they were a gimmick, only voxel based games can handle destruction.

>>15189898

I know you jest, but what the hell could have caused this? Maybe I had a premonitive dream and confused it for the past? I thought that OP may have been a repost but then I saw the exact same replies too.

One in particular mentioned how it was a novelty, and that in a certain game the physics only needed to be used once with the way the buildings were laid out. The other times you could use it there were better alternatives to achieving your goal.

>>15189990

That's BC 1 dipshit. I assume though the 32 player map limits would make it look that way.

>>15190009

One possibility is you should see the same good arguments in similar threads since people who saw it before may repeat it. Not word for word of course, but you don't really remember it word for word and may wrongly misremember.

Would you losers accept destruction like this?

>>15190098

This is better.

>>15190324

Not really, it's only a single building, and it's wood.

>>15190098

Looking forward to it anon.

>>15190098

Looks alright. Pathfinding would be a bitch for AI I'd think, and getting those physics to simulate constantly while also running game logic would be taxing on console hardware.

>>15190324

Those big cinematic explosions are scripted, they're not dynamic like in the Blender cube demo. If you turn on the developer commentary they talk about this with the bridge/portal-storm scene at the beginning of Episode 2.

>>15190324

Why would you compare that scripted shit to dynamic physics?

>>15190359

>>15190357

It's not mine. I'm currently trying to figure out the best way to implement an almost universal (all objects can be broken down) physics system though that's very performance efficient and this system is appealing.

I imagine pathfinding would work like normal except with some check for debris in front of them that they would probably check to see if they can go over first and if not then keep trying different routes until they find a non-blocked one.

BUMP.

I like destruction but nobody else seems to appreciate it. It seems like most people are satisfied with the ABSOLUTE GIMMICK BULLSHIT of "destruction" that Siege offers.

What would be a good setting for a game that offered complete destruction? I would like a real, modern tactical shooter that allowed you to completely demolish buildings. I don't know how it would be balanced though :(

>>15190720

Go back to reddit

>>15188955

Destruction mechanics require some lateral thinking on the part of the player. What to destroy now, what to leave, what benefits me most in the current situation and 5 minutes from now. That doesn't play well with the current generation audience that has been fed AAA cinematic experiences for 10 years. It's also hard to model the physics in a convincing or at least satisfying way, and removing destruction simplifies level design a lot. So the two main culprits are an uninterested audience and corporate cost-cutting. That's money they could be spending on advertisements, you know.

>>15190951

Why spend money on really intelligent guys to redesign an engine to handle all kind sir optimised physics interactions, change complications related to AI that comes with this, the extra detail to sound and graphics design, the extra effort to level design and everything else complicated when you can be a 20 year old girl minimum wage to write a story about lesbians and make millions more than you would have otherwise?

What are you? A communist? Do you have integrity? Get out of here!

>>15190761

>Mannheim flag

the jurassic park game from early 2000s, forgot whats it called, one of the first to do it

BC2 was the last AAA games I can think that had em.

The devs must think we don't care about that, it's old hat or something

The reality is that it is still incredibly difficult to implement a good destruction system.

Computers are still too slow to handle destruction that looks decent and is dynamic. AND most players don't care about it.

>>15189830

> Walls just disappear if you shoot them. No chunks of it remain on the floor.

ackshually, they do.

>>15189196

What about the former dev for inxile who outright admitted his former boss for the dev company was doing everything he could to not add white people into his game and force sjwism into it.

Bump.

>>15189487

>too fun for normalfags.

no way, if theres one thing normalfags enjoy in games its wanton destruction

>>15194045

My computer runs red faction games just fine.

>>15205834

>not adding random music to it anyways

REEEEEEEE GO BACK TO CUCKCHAN

>>15205952

I don't post in webm threads. What happened?

Would you guys play a game that had graphics as simple as goldeneye N64 but with a completely destructible world?

Would you play Minecraft with physics?

>>15205834

God I wish I were that fish skellington.

>>15190098

>>15190357

RIP Blender Game engine. For those that don't know, it got depreciated since hardly anyone used it or contributed to it.