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How old are you OP?

>he thinks enemies can be poorly designed

>in Doom, a game which relies more on level design than it does enemy AI

>>15160489

They are actually insufferable in Nightmare! difficulty since they can instantly react on wake-up, and even Doom 2 has bullshit traps like the one I. MAP09. Then Plutonia goes "that's cute I can do worse".

>>15160533

God help you you're somewhere like The Pit

>>15160353

>Chaingunner

>Not fucking Pain Elementals

Female combatants in Mount and Blade. Not really bullshit hard to deal with or something, but I absolutely hate how many of them show up everywhere and how on par they are with all of the males physically. Turkish roachnigger feminism.

>>15160489

But the level design of Doom was pretty annoying. Everything was a maze.

>>15160533

Prioritize them, Stun them with chaingun, use the level layout to your advantage. They were built from the ground up to counteract people who just keep the super shotgun out at all times, the delay in between shots is enough for them to seriously screw you up, but you don't have that problem with the chaingun. DOOM isn't a modern FPS where you can just pick your favorite weapon, shut your brain off and use it for the rest of the game, they are all situational. Stop blaming the game for your own personal failures.

>>15160530

Nightmare isn't meant to be fair, balanced or playable.

>>15160597

>how many of them show up everywhere

just stop recruiting refuges, also they still count as mercenaries so you will have to pay them more than recruited faction soldiers, you didnt need to signal anti-feminism to fit in.

>>15160533

That's just one way the Chaingunner gets used though. There are thousands of different ways to use Doom's roster, with countless combinations and synergies with other monsters and monster uses. As the other anon said, Doom isn't a mindless run and gun game like faggots will tell you. Doom requires thought to be played effectively.

>>15160605

>believing the maze meme

Fuck off to Reddit, I can tell that you've barely played Doom.

>>15160530

NIghtmare! is deliberately bullshit. There's a reason the game warns you when you try to play it. If you can't handle it then play on UV or UV -fast.

I haven't come across many poorly designed enemies. Poorly implemented might be a better term. One that comes to mind is the cyborg tanks in Helldivers.

>requires heavy explosives or AT weaponry to take out.

>periodically spawns a squad of enemies

>can shoot an alarm flare

>main gun is deadly but slow firing and easy to dodge

That's all fine, but the bastards literally drop from the sky with no warning. They can drop on top of your team mates and run them over in a second. You can be stealthing the mission and one drops right next to you and shoots a flare faster than you can kill it. It's complete bullshit. Stealthing higher level cyborg missions involves far more luck than skill because of them to the extent that you might as well go in guns blazing every single time.

>>15160726

>Implying I don't fit in everywhere but inside your sexy lil sis

They're in every tourney, armies everywhere, they're fucking ridiculous and stupid and totally destroy my ability to suspend my disbelief for the world. I'm already tired of you and your limitations, anon.

Entirety of DMC3, or nobodies from DMC1.

>>15160649

Don't excuse the failings of maps like Plutonia where you need to actually have played the map to survive because of how obnoxiously they are used.

>>15160769

UV -fast has the same instant reaction on wake-up issue where as soon as a monster closet opens up they can start shooting. On standard UV there's a slight delay before they can shoot after being alerted, which gives you a bit of a chance. Even on standard UV if they come in through a teleporter trap they've already been through the wake-up delay.

That said if they aren't used obnoxiously they are manageable, but hitscan-based enemies are still bad by design. There's a reason a lot of mods make them fast projectiles instead.

>>15160754

Plasma Coil is also useful against them if you've got it upgraded and modded (should also state that grinding 1,000,000 on NG for the best armor sucks without the Challenge Mode multiplayer), but it still takes a while to down them, at least on regular NG. And for whatever reason they had the gall to send you out into the Raping Fields not once but twice to progress with the plot. Becomes more a case of avoidance in dealing with them and the ice serpents, whereas I liked the prior desert style crystal stuff in comparison (both being mostly abandoned shitholes with "collect the crystals"). Sure, it was optional padding, but the enemies were managable and made for good weapon leveling in addition to money. You get to Grelbin and within about two minutes of being there you want it to be over.

>>15160785

I'd suspend my disbelief for the world over the limited and shitty AI, quests and RPG elements.

>>15160785

are you playing whit a mod or you are talking about female companions? there is just one females companion that has military skills but that's because she is a steppe nomad that got raped too many times by other steppe nomads, other one just has some skills whit the sword because of her husband that got killed possibly by her and other that just has basic stuff like power strike but its because she was the cook and nurse of too many war parties.

If you are having trouble because there are too many womans willing to fight, remember how bandits and other lords loot and raze all the villages, women cant be in the kitchen because they were razed by assholes and male farmers are forced too become looters and serve as quest objectives for new adventurers, that is just how caldria works since the fall of the empire so it's up to YOU to stop these assholes from burning and razing all what the good decent people have.

>>15160841

he's talking about the sword sisters very common in tournaments, and occasional peasant woman tree troop in parties.

>>15160829

Do you know what you just said? I'll give you some time to think it through.

>>15160841

I'm playing with the mentally handicapped.

>>15160850

yeah ebin.

>>15160796

They are if you're fucking blind and don't know how to move around in a 3D space without arrows pointing you everywhere.

>>15160853

Hey man, not my fault you're like this. All I can do is make the best of the bad situation that is your life by using you as a living tool to harness momentary amusement and then discard. At least you will have the cherished spot of footnote in a random unimportant day of my life that I will swiftly forget.

>>15160769

Are there really this many people on /v/ who play Helldivers or is it all just the same person complaining about the tanks? Regardless, use the UAV to see them from far away, they are a smaller ping than other enemies, and bait them away from objectives instead of destroying them as they will just respawn instantly otherwise.

>>15160754

>>15160644

You merely need the upgraded lava gun with the lockon mod, it trivialize that section completely, it's actually pretty funny that the most hated gun destroys the most hated section of the game.

>>15160785

It's a video game.

>>15160960

One I quit playing a long ass time ago because I'm tired of the demands of me it makes to accept a wholly inaccurate portrayal of the capabilities of women. If I wanted to experience having females injected everywhere they don't belong for the sake of it I'd just go outside.

Machete niggers in Far Cry 3

>Guy is attacking us with a machine gun

>REEEEEEEEEEEEE frontal assault with a melee weapon

Why even bother?

That's not the Arch-Vile, OP.

>>15160848

Thay are all weak troops compared to males. What's the problem?

>>15161409

>otherwise good game

I do consider Doom 1 superior to 2 I actually prefer Quake to both

However if I opened with that the thread would've immediately become derailed with "lol underage" "bait" "toddpost" etc

>>15161180

>posting shops from a cuck's game

>>15160931

Why is the upgraded lava gun hated? It does wonders against the final boss.

Usually any small fast enemy like the frogs in Serious Sam. They are always annoying not fun to fight. The enemies in DMC that fucking fly through walls so you can't get to them.

>>15160353

>chaingunners

>poorly designed

they're working as intended

>>15160751

>only fast when going forwards, after which they just hover and move to the sides

>weak ass attack, survivable even on Inferno

>not very resilient

I'd rather deal with 500 wasps than a single dozen of fucking spiders jumping everywhere and spamming bullshit webs with infinite range, width and damage

>>15161884

>play air raider solo

>not much speed or mobility without sacrificing firepower

>vehicles with shields and guard posts melt in seconds to a handful of hornets

>only 1 viable option for fighting them and its reliant on points and exposing your squishy self to fire

I can wade through silver spiders with a flamer without a guard post and be up for another wave, but even a varga with a guard post will be destroyed in moments to a handful of hornets, and that thing has absolutely insane amounts of armor.

>>15160644

I sent a message to one of R&C's level designers and he told me that planet was so bad because it was rushed like fuck. Their general idea was "well at least the player might find killing loads of enemies fun".

>>15160871

Every day in your life is an unimportant day.

>>15161980

Wew. Lad. Legendary.

Chaingunner wasn't poorly designed, but can be poorly placed in the level. e.g. TNT Evilution spawning dozens of these guys behind you without any cover after you press a button in a level.

>>15161534

Well the unupgraded one is more fun (just spinning while jumping and killing pretty much everything around you for example ) to use and more ammo efficient if you're good with it (in 2 at least it got slightly nerfed in some way in 3 so you can't hit something over 3 times with a single unit of ammo).

But yeah the upgraded version has much better DPS and better hitstun and with lockon it gets a fairly decent range extension so against high HP single target that are difficult to stun it's really good

Meh, they're not really that bad. I really don't understand this hatred of hitscan enemies. They're really not as annoying as many other enemy types. Like, doom has those meatballs that shoot those annoying flying fuckers who are way worse.

I almost feel like the people who hate hitscan enemies are some sort of speedrunners or those types who want to beat a level without taking any damage. Because hitscan enemies are rarely hard. Chaingunners in doom are only annoying in some large wads where they're used as snipers on a top of a building or something. In vanilla they're fine.

>>15160353

>chaingun guy

>not Pain Elemental and Lost Souls

>>15162321

This, holy shit. The Lost Soul spawnrate is too goddamn ridiculous, which becomes especially apparent in levels like Barrels O' Fun when there's multiple Pain Elementals in the same room.

>>15161180

you have to go back

>>15162365

If would be okay if the lost souls had lower IP. As it is they're annoying as fuck.

>>15162377

>It would be okay if the lost souls had lower HP

They do though, don't they?

>>15162396

You need two shotgun shells to kill one. In Doom 64 they only require one shotgun shell, which makes them infinitely more bearable.

>>15160644

I used these guys to grind EXP on the weapons I still hadn't upgraded fully after beating Challenge Mode. They're useful for something, at least.

>>15162365

If playing vanilla there's a static limit on how many lost souls can be in a map. May be untrue for source ports but that's why you get "impotent" ones in maps like The Pit.

>>15162317

True to a point but they are still a bad source of random luck and even though Plutonia is king of misuse there's examples in Doom 2 as well. The Pit has that one trap, and all hitscanners snipe the hell out of you in Industrial Zone.

>>15160489

>an enemy that stands there and shoots lasers at you based on a totally arbitrary hit chance percentage isn't terrible in every context in an action game

Next you'll tell me that Fallout 1 in real-time is good RPG combat.

>>15160605

>doom everything was a maze

If you have the memory of a goldfish maybe.

>>15160353

Resident evil code veronica, Bandersnatch who thought this was a good idea.

>>15160799

The only bad enemies are Soul eaters, Fallen and DMD enigmas. The rest is fine.

What's with the retards suddenly hating Doom? Summerfaggotry? Redditfaggotry? Cuckchannery? Which one is causing this?

Here's the reverse for you:

A single "a" in the code of colonial marines is what caused the AI to be crap. A spelling mistake in the line that turns on AI pathing/tactical thinking meant that they were dumber than a doornail.

http://archive.is/g240t

>>15163135

All of it.

>>15163189

There was another typo that crippled the ayylmaos even more.

>>15163189

>>15163219

Is the AI fun to play against without the typo?

>>15163229

I've never played it.

>>15163229

No idea, pirate it and find out.

>>15160605

> Everything was a maze.

There's a fucking automap

>>15163314

Bonewalker actually were pretty nifty design-wise because they made you remember that you should not enter random dungeons without sufficient preparation. That is, some potions of restore strength and a Scroll of Almvisi/Divine Intervention.

By comparison, the only reason for cliffracers to exist was to slow down the player while he made his way across the (comparatively small) world map.

>>15162250

i heard the enemies in RoR are generally spongy pieces of shit with bad AI incapable of following you off a ledge, how true is this?

>>15163434

Ans that's why you use the glass artefact

>>15163374

No, fuck you and fuck your damage strength bullshit. Don't just blindly accept that you have to carry around some Restore Strength or learn the resto spell because some undead asshole can chain damage strengths together in 2 seconds and immobilize you permanently. They don't do enough damage to necessitate being "Mid-to-top tier", they only pose a physical threat to low level players who don't know about their bullshit yet, but a massive inconvenience to higher level players who have to carry a potion around "just in case"

>change strength to not set encumbrance to 0 if it hits 0

>change Bonewalkers mana so he can't cast it more than 3 times

>change Bonewalkers spell to drain strength with a really long duration

>>15163429

> the only reason for cliffracers to exist was to slow down the player while he made his way across the (comparatively small) world map

So does every other mob in the overworld. What do cliffracers do that rats, nix-hounds, guars, and katatougis don't? Oh right, inconvenience you while you levitate and skip all the other mobs

>>15162137

God how i hated these shits, the worst part its that it seemed that no matter what weapon you use, they will just drain your ammo or follow you forever.

>>15163135

It's the same faggots going around saying gondola, and wojak are facebook memes. Apparently cuckchan had another wave of bans.

>>15163596

>giant spider boss

>it roars like a fucking lion

>goomba stomp it to death

>>15162464

But how can any enemy be annoying in a game where you can mash X and right trigger and nothing can hurt you while you kill everything? Nier Automata was so easy, I laughed aloud that people ever thought it was hard. I laughed that there was actually a tutorial message that you could choose that would complain about how hard the game is. Nips sure think highly of their garbage.

>>15163728

>1 guy trying to force his shit on every board on cuckchan and 8chan

>>15163468

It's not a spell, you dimwit!

Stacking is a core thing in the game, you dimwit!

Dumbing down the disease/curse system, dimwit?

What the fuck are you a casual????

>>15162137

Worst DN3D enemy ever. If you want to make a suicide enemy, don't make it a flying one with a mechanical body that absorbs almost every kind of damage you throw at it.

>>15163596

The spiders in Dark messiah were pretty easy though.

>>15163596

Are you an arachnophobiac faggot or just hate their bullshit/cheap as fuck design and poison attack?

Floating gnaars from Serious Sam are fucking retarded

>>15163468

>No, fuck you and fuck your damage bullshit. Don't just blindly accept that you have to carry around some health potions or learn any healing spell because some asshole can chain damage healths together in 2 seconds and kill you permanently. They don't do enough damage to necessitate being "Mid-to-top tier", they only pose a physical threat to low level players who don't know about reducing damage yet, but a massive inconvenience to dumbasses that spend several hours in a game without learning anything about its systems

This is how retarded you sound. Dead is also a status effect and the fact that the game doesn't have the bonewalkers outright kill you is a second chance of sorts. It allows you to say "I would have had to reload here… BUT I have restore strength effects so I don't" instead of "This fucking asshole zombie just killed me in 2 hits" which would have achieved the exact same effect except it would have been arguably even more difficult to mitigate.

>>15164020

>Then why the fuck do you care if the system is streamlined to avoid the problem in the first place

Because I don't have to load the game if I have restore strength potions and it adds verisimilitude. Not to mention having those effects in the game means the player can use them too. The real question is why do YOU care since as I have established this is splitting hairs? You could argue almost everything in the entire game is a newbie trap until you learn about it. "I didn't know that NPCs could cast magic so I died," "I didn't know that animals could afflict you with status ailments," "I didn't know that those black rock areas were Daedric ruins with Orcish cultists," etc.

>did you know that–

Yes I have played Daggerfall, it is good for different reasons than Morrowind – basically the same reasons that differentiate AD&D and 3.5 actually. I don't think having every negative status effect kill the player is effective streamlining.

>>15164129

Of all the irrational fears, arachnophobia has to be one of the most irrational. I'm glad I don't have it.

Fuck daddy long legs though, their proportions are just unsettling as fuck

>>15164129

The only cute spiders are the jumping ones.

>>15164099

>The real question is why do YOU care

Because I posted a poorly designed enemy in an otherwise good game, and contended the standard meme answer of cliff racers was incorrect. I'm not against the damage attribute effects, I'm against enemies that can cast it a few times and permanently immobilize me, even after death, forcing me to search through an inventory of identical potions to restore the attribute.

There is only one way to bypass this enemies effect, and that is with magic. If you play a Nord who hates magic in all forms, you will be forced to reload upon facing this enemy because the game won't even let you try and crawl away afterwards. You can't wait it out and there is no hope for rescue, the only way past that would be a reload. That is poor design, in an otherwise good game.

>>15164133

>I could never understand thing!

>except, I do agree with it

These are the schizos we have to share a board with

>>15164170

Daddy long legs aren't arachnids you fucking idiot.

>>15164151

It sounds like you have more a problem with how damage strength works, than that one specific enemy. Also, couldn't you just apply resist magicka on a Nord? Just get potions and imagine it's mead. That's what I'd do. To be blunt, pure fighters always get the shit end of that stick, especially in games which are heavily influenced by D&D.

>>15163096

…and the guys who keep spawning enemies, and the chess pieces, and the guys who explode, and the flying red dragons…

>>15162137

Even when you kill these metallic exploding jews, they still take away your health if you

were close enough to be in the blast radius.

AND THEY'RE IMMUNE TO SHRINK RAY AND FREEZE RAY AND THEY DODGE DEVASTATOR.

>>15160605

That's wolfenstein you double nigger.

In fact there are levels which are as simple as shoot everything to win or move forward while shoot and hit the exit to win.

In comparison to any episode of wolf3d after the first, Doom was a walk in the park when it came to level design.

>>15163688

also in X-COM, it's just an even more bullshit genestealer, you can deal whit them by just forcing them into an open area, they are very aggresive so they will just go forward and leap, exposing themselves, also you can use vehicles to block their path and kill them if you installed mods.

>>15163468

Oh Jesus, that's what attacked me in that deep as cavern when someone summoned it? My only saving grace was that I had a mark set up on the talking mud crab and bought 5 days of alcohol to water walk someone to get that shit dealt with. Don't remember what the place was, but the place was as vertical as some dungeons were long, and had people trapped in there.

As for cliff racers, I'd argue that anyone who went with an up close and personal approach had their lives ruined with them, especially if they were blighted.

>enemy is meant to be a specific set distance above you (read :just out of reach with melee weapons)

>swoops down just low enough to take a swing at you, then sits back at specific distance

>misjudging the timing and jumping to attack will cause them to move to stay that distance and then attack you, following you back down

>numbers and blight means your life would be suffering and you might have to drop supplies or loot to survive

To be fair, they really aren't that bad if you know how to handle them, but will mindfuck new guys

>>15165939

>Sergeants die in seconds from just about anything, if you want a shitty designed Doom enemy, it's this bullet sponge.

The Cyberdemon has a ton of buildup and it's not a particularly hard fight since his arena is really open. The Spider Mastermind is a more annoying fight by comparison because his damage is hitscan.

Level designers also tend to use the Cyberdemon in more creative ways like I remember in No Rest for the Living the final level had you being chased by one in this really dimly lit labyrinth with tons of zombiemen all over the place which prevented you from dodging his projectiles effectively.

By comparison the chaingun guys are just spammed wherever they are and are usually designed to initiate a cheap death/reload for the player.

>>15163920

>a curse is not a spell

WUT?

>>15162250

It shows you where it's gonna pop up next. Also its hp doesn't matter when each segment of its body has its own hitbox. Just hit it with aoe.

>>15166007

>and trying to do a point-blank with the Cyberdemon is basically suicide

Nah it's a bit hard to get the right timing and you gotta have a decent idea of how to handle straferunning but point blanking a cyber is fairly doable.

>>15166007

>trying to do a point-blank with the Cyberdemon is basically suicide

There was an achievement on the XBLA version of Doom 2 to kill the Cyberdemon using your fist. It's very possible to do.

>>15166026

As the video demonstrates, it's always a risk since he decided to immediately attack again after firing off a volley, and screwed him for over half his total life. Also that's with the fist. You don't have the same freedom with the BFG9000.

>delay of ~0.86 seconds to fire the ball

>tracers fire off ~0.46 seconds after the ball hits something

>tracers fire in the direction the ball was moving, not what direction you're facing.

Time all that while the thing is pelting you with rockets.

>>15161950

Fuck those guys

>>15161180

>now

How many layers of "pretending to be retarded revisionism" are you on fam

>>15166071

Well if you can master the timing you aren't rolling the dice on him countering you so many times at least, and while it's impossible to kill in one hit with the vanilla RNG you're at least gonna knock off around 3/4 HP.

>>15166060

>Time all that while the thing is pelting you with rockets.

In 1v1 scenario it's easier than you think. The real problem is killing it in exactly 2 BFG shots.

>>15160696

I think that's sort of a product of it being more balanced toward coop from the console versions. That part is annoying as hell with AI, you aren't wrong.

>>15166007

>playing 2HU

>liking 2HU

Just how much of a faggot can you be?

>>15160560

>>15162321

>Melee attacks are suicidal, you'll get cut up by Lost Souls in no time

>Pistol will result in you becoming engulfed by Lost Souls who will then proceed to kill you

>Super Shotgun is good, but reload time will often mean you get jumped by emerging Lost Souls

>Chaingun is probably the best weapon to deal with a Pain Elemental, but you got to snipe and switch targets due to the Lost Souls

>Rocket Launcher is a suicidal approach because of the Lost Souls

>Plasma Rifle equals the chaingun, but ideally you want to save that for the bigger enemies

>BFG-9000 is incredibly wasteful when dealing with a mere Pain Elemental

Fuck all of those Mike Wazowski-looking motherfuckers.

>>15160747

>>15160862

>>15162978

Hi Sandy. Daily reminder your levels were 90% pure dogshit, and if it weren't for Tom Hall your contribution to Doom would be nought.

I've played most of the MegaWADS on the recommended infographic plus some that interested me, very rarely did I stuck anywhere near as much, if at all, compared to the second half of Inferno and a sizable chunk of Doom II.

>>15166808

>meme spacing

>Hates based Sandy

>Probably loves Cuckmero

You're not fooling anyone.

>>15166113

That game is definitely gun mechanics over monster design.

Killing Floor guns and gibs+Left 4 Dead's enemies = ideal game

>>15161867

I was just about to post this. Small enemies suck in games without auto-aim or AOE

>>15163789

What movie?

>>15160353

>chaingunners

>not complaining about the revenants horribly large damage range of 1d8*10 damage.

I've died more times than I want to admit from 70 and 80 damage rev attacks.

>>15169062

Clannfears are pests.

>>15169062

They're kinda sexy though

>>15160353

>can literally avoid all of its sniper chaingun shots by straferunning on nightmare

git gud, scrub

>>15171115

>Play first episode of doom as a kid

>On keyboard

>Have to learn the wonders of using z and x or z and / to strafe to get good at the game

>Beat it on Ultraviolent by 11

I still don't know how to get the armour in M2.

The shitscan scorpions from any Serious Sam game, and especially the stupid fucking shitscan helicopters that can only be killed with rockets from SS3.

>>15163789

>why stop motion is terrifying

>ends in an hilarious bitchslap

>>15171129

this

ultraviolence and nightmare seemed impossible for me till I mapped the turn left and turn right and fire controls to my mouse and go forward/backward and strafe left/right to wasd keys on keyboard

then my skill went from scrub to Zero Master like speedrunner

>>15166007

>Thinking the cyberdemon is challenging at all

Look at this faggot!

>Not circlestrafing around him like you are on meth blasting him with the BFG9000 a few times

>>15169062

These fucks are so easy to kill for me

I'm level 146 and all it takes is 20 swings from my glass longsword and i'm done. My character has a ungodly amount of heath and very high acrobatics and athletics so i just avoid most combat by jumping around the world like a crackhead

>>15175649

Depends on where he is. In the example of Plutonia MAP07 you A: don't have the BFG, and B: there's a lot of awkward pillars for rockets to explode on near you, and to hinder ability to attack him. In any case I was more talking about an instant kill with the BFG which renders the Spider Mastermind a total non-threat in close quarters.

>>15175672

Anon, go play Cyberdreams, then you'll understand that cyberdemons are easy as fuck

>>15160605

Dooms levels were built intentionally so that there was contrast between light and dark areas, dominant colors in the textures depending on where you are, etc. Many of the levels are also quite open, and there's stuff like windows letting you see other parts of the map to get a better feel for how they connect. The only place I can think of that's maze-like is the cluster of green rooms on level 7, and even then you have the auto-map.

>infested planet

>guardians

fuck these guys, everything else in the game has a hard counter but the only way to deal with these things is to out last them and then have some capacity to strike them while they regenerate or spend a disproportionate amount of resources blasting them to smithereens outright weakening your efforts elsewhere. your ability to do so is almost completely up to the layout of the map and since they aggro based on proximity their nest could be in a serious hell hole making suppressing their rebirth or regeneration completely un-viable. dealing with these shit heads is some kind of mixture of trench warfare and surgery.

there are certainly some terrible sitautions you can find yourself in with the wrong equipment while the enemy has the right mutations but anything related to guardians is all but guaranteed to be a giant thorn in your ass