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>>15141944

how do you hold the stick?

>>15141954

I hold the American sticks with my whole hand, usually performing most of the motion with wrist movements. I tried to apply my American stick (traditionally, my country's rare arcade cabinets had these) knowledge to the Chinese knockoff machines, but that obviously didn't work, so I learned I had to actuate the lever by resting my hand on the cabinet and doing small movements with my fingers, rather than with my whole hand. I have no idea if it is that the machine isn't all that good or whatever, but it feels cheap to me.

>>15142006

*Second grip. Sorry, haven't slept much today.

Anyway, yes, I use the Japanese style sticks kind of like I was grabbing a cherry. The hand rests over the board, and I mostly just move the phalanx of my fingers around. I will refer to this stupid grip as "clit-picking" from now on.

>>15141944

>find Shoryuken forums thread with someone asking for American feeling sticks

That was your first mistake. Most of the 09ers that make up SRK nowadays worship the Sanwa JLF and suggest modding that particular lever to the point where it no longer handles anything like a JLF, thereby negating the reason why you'd use a JLF in the first place. All that said, though, there's no real shame in using an octogonal gate for your JLF, or even a circular gate, for that matter.

If you want an "American" stick, then you're going to have to look at industrias Lorenzo for the good shit, since Suzo-Happ outsources their shit to the chinks these days, which impacts the actual build quality about as much as you'd expect. Otherwise, if you have a local fightans scene in your neck of the woods, I'd advise going there and trying out some sticks there. Chances are they might be rocking a Seimitsu LS-32 or gookshit like the Myoungshin Fanta or a Crown, or whatever the Tekkenfags usually use.

>>15142006

>I'm not even sure if they sell these mounted in some box already or if I have to DIY, but it's not like it is a deal breaker.

MAS Systems used to make arcade sticks much like how you'd find them in a Western arcade–bulky, and with Happ buttons and levers, back when their shit was IIRC just rebranded iL parts. You're probably going to have to build your own stick if you want something like an old MAS stick.

Here's a video on some arcade stick grips, for the next time you decide to try using something built by the japs or the gooks.

Should also mention, if you're going to buy a premade arcade stick from, say, Hori or whatever, do look into getting a shaft extender, or a larger balltop. Or maybe both. It might solve your hamhands problem. Those shouldn't change the "feel" of the lever too much.

>>15141954

>>15142078

OP here, was gonna comment on that. Turns out IL is not only from my country, but from my own town and probably just minutes away via car, so guess I am going to support the local industry and buy some IL to build my own arcade pad.

No, Spain doesn't really have that much of an arcade scene. Almost all arcades are dead, save for the spare MAME cabinet here and there (mind you they are very rare) or the typical bowling place with Time Crisis 3,band I find it baffling that my local tabletop store decided to open an arcade section. I am good friends with the owners and apparently they commented some Chinese guys (mind you that zone is the closest you can get to Chinatown in Barcelona) offered to handle the machines themselves if they rented the space for them, so I am going to guess it may be more popular amongst Chinese people, and they are probably miss them machines, judging by how the asian guy mounting the machines was obscenely comboing in SFIV. Not sure if their venture will thrive considering each game is more or less 1 euro and their SF cabinets have Nightmare AI from the get go, so normalfags will probably be intimidated, chances are I will be their only non-Asian customer, and I have no idea how will chinamen react to the idea.

>>15142119

>Colmenar Viejo

Holy shit, it truly is in bumfuck nowhere. How far away are you from Madrid, anyway?

I have friends from all around Spain and they all comment how jealous they are of the kind of shit I have around here. They probably don't know how expensive life in mainland Barcelona is, and our salaries are not that much higher to your average lazy fuck Andalusian's.

>>15142131

40 minutes by train. All I want is people to play Yugioh with, I'm tired of playing against the CPU in my fucking DS.

>>15142137

YuGiOh isn't all that alive in Barcelona, from what I have seen. The "tabletop district" is all about Magic nowadays. They still sell YuGiOh packs on a regular basis, so there are indeed customers, but they probably play in private.

I had a friend who lived in deep Andalusia and he played YuGiOh via Skype, though. Couldn't you just do that?

>>15141944

Why the fuck is that spoilered section in spoilers?

>>15141944

Go back to the bar and ask the bartender where he got his stick or where he got the custom cab, then go to the cab seller and ask him where he got his stick.

I've one of those MAME cabinets at my campus as well, and the joystick feels like it clicks out of place in the socket every time you move it up. You can feel and hear the internals shifting back into place when you move the stick back down. It isn't impossible to use, but every time I give it a good man-handle, it feels like it won't last much longer. I had a video, I'll see if I can find it.

>>15142238

Tell the owner to un-fuck it then.

>>15142243

He doesn't give a shit.

>>15142252

Then get tools and unfuck it yourself. Get a real AMERICAN style joystick and change it yourself. Do it for the greater good. They are not expensive anyways.

>>15142107

Interesting. Looks like bowling alleys being the places where arcades make their last stand is a real meme after all. Here in Ibiza we've got a genuine F355 Challenge cabinet, complete with three displays, though the gear stick is broken. We've got a few more arcades in there but they're modern schlock.

>>15142006

please stop biting your nails.

>>15141944

Have you tried not being an ape? Instead of fixing the underlying problem, which is you not having any control of your hands, you're trying to fix it with hardware.

And by the way, there's a reason nobody makes American sticks anymore. The market shrunk to arcade owners and MVC2 players. Octagonal gates are ass for anything that isn't an SPD.

>>15142386

What's wrong with fixing it with hardware?

SANWA BUTTONS, KOREAN BALL STICKS, OCTAGONAL GATES. THIS IS THE TRUTH AND THE WAY. PURGE THE HERETICS AND THEIR WIFFLEBALL BAT STICKS

>>15142395

This is agreeable

>>15142394

He's forcing himself into a corner where he can only use American sticks. Which, again, are a niche market. Accept your Japanese overlords and learn how to use a square gate without breaking it.

>>15142456

why don't japanese people just make a product that isnt a fragile piece of shit

>>15142493

Why dont you quit being a hamhanded faggot? They aren't that delicate, maybe you're just an idiot with retard strength.

>>15142613

Nothing wrong with high STR, DEXfag.

I share OP's pain. I love drawing but I have very big hands. I have to use a digitizer exclusively now because drawing with a pad and pencil is way too cumbersome. And as much as I love to get a mechanical pencil manga kit I don't have the desk space to spread my big arms.

When I play arcade games back when we had Galaga and Turtles in Time at Pizza Hut, I played palm grip because of how tough the sticks were. Course I never got to play any fighters and I can't find any old boards to practice with anymore. I live in the thumb of Texas, which is literally fucking nowhere. No card or comic stores anymore. No barcades. All we have is street drugs, churches, and a shitty movie theatre.

I'm literally going to have to build my own arcade stick box because I'm a big stocky guy with big arms and big hands. And I know these overpriced chink boxes will break if I use them the wrong way.

>>15142461

Buy gum nigga, it helped me stop.

>>15148412

Chewing too much can also cause problems with your jaw muscles in the long run, actually solving his mental issues would be better.

t. guy who has had overexerted jaw muscles a few times because I have an eating disorder that makes me chew every bite 70+ times

>>15148301

Any hardwood will polish up nicely for the stick itself. You can use wax (carnauba is top tier but even paraffin will work) or furniture sealer to finish it.

For the box just get a small sheet of generic plywood or particle board. Just remember to prime and paint it.

>>15141944

gamepad is better. added bonus is you don't have to feel like a total loser with a fightstick on his shelf.

>>15141944

>his tabletop games store is so fucking cool they get an arcades section

My local "tabletop games" store is just a fucking comic book store that sells shitty fucking monopoly, those faggot bobble heads, pone shit, and Magic: The Faggoting cards. I despise comic books, always have, and the fuckers got a garbage craft beer made at one point, from the same company that made faggot beer.

>>15141944

>be nervous bruteish fuck who always applies way too much force to any kind of mechanical actuator

im going to kick you in the nuts

>>15148679

Thanks for the advice.

>>15148818

I have considered some PSP/3DS-like stick to build a more compact, gamepad looking fighting stick, giving how comfortable it seems to use for quarter circless, half circles and even full circles, but building a mechanism like that with home tools seems complicated, and the 3DS one isn't even that good and apparently breaks doing those exact movements, so I guess I would have to build it myself, and it requires some custom rails and an electronics knowledge I do not have. I think it measures the distance away from one of the extremes of the rail depending on how much it resists the pass of electricity through it; simple in theory, but it would take some serious calibration and custom wiring, not to mention the pieces themselves are not that simple to model.

>>15145556

I have a fisting fetish and my hands are too big to fist most people. I share your pain my friend.

>>15148271

I don't have a lot of desk space to work with where I live at the moment. I'm rooming with family otherwise I'd make room in a studio apartment.

.>>15148969

I'd like to get training broadswords and longswords. Eventually I want to get viking axes. My last job left me too out of shape. So I'm working on cutting weight fast then military style drills.

I'm 5' 11" but I'm very wide and stocky even without fat. My entire hand covers my whole face.

>>15149601

why dont you just get a katana its better

>>15149601

Axes are easier, not much to do other than hacking. So start with axes.

>>15149726

I'm fairly sure nowadays someone would think the joydick goes in their ass.

>>15149700

Hacking, hooking weapons out of your opponent's hands, hooking behind shields so someone else can hack their face in, and shield usage are all vital points of viking axe wielding. It's not just mindless hacking.

>>15149843

if your opponent lets you hook their weapon out of their hand with a shitty axe theyre noobs

>>15149625

Fitness, heritage, and historical recreation soy weeb. My family were vikings, Irish, and Germans. I have an interest in European martial arts because it is nearly a lost art with very little documentation when those weapons were present. Besides your will almost always have your fists with you wherever you go. Always train those more. And if you say katanas are better at self defense then katanas can't stop bullets can they? There's a reason why samurai died and ninja and monks still exist.

>>15149700

>>15149843

I fucking LOVE axes but I could never find rubber heads to train. Yes I should go steel but I'm a bit broke to buy steel training axes right now. I also love morning stars, spears, bows, crossbows, and hand and a half swords aka "ringen and schwert".

Sage for off topic.

>>15150055

katanas can stop bullets if youre not a total fucking noob

>>15150075

Post a video of you, yourself, stopping a modern firearm bullet with a katana swing right now like the irl 420 MLG pro you are. Do it faggot!

>>15150111

post a video of yourself without a penis in your mouth

>>15141944

American or Korean still use batstick like the blue one on the right of OP. John Choi is arguably one of the best SF players who uses bat-top stick.

>>15150156

What's the difference ergonomically between the ball and the bat? I don't think I ever used the bat.

>>15150022

Kinda, sometimes you just manage to hook it just right. Can happen to anyone. My point was that about half the time you're hooking shit instead of just hacking, and it involves a lot of teamwork.

>>15150253

Well yeah, I also have a pretty square jaw because of it. But like any muscle, it they can get fucked up from overuse, which in this case causes constant popping when chewing, a mildly painful sensation, and in some cases swelling. Stays for a few weeks when it appears, too. Though I guess it might go away faster if I'd eat liquid foods more when it happens, but I really like my meat.

>>15141944

I'm 90% sure you can mod any stick to have a circle gate.

I had an xarcade and it sucked. It's inputs were based on old school keyboard inputs so you couldn't do more than 6 inputs at once without it shitting out.

You should get used to square gates though. You have tighter control with them as the area of input for each direction is larger. Learn the gentle japanese way of input and watch your speed increase.

>>15149741

That's just a dildo to demonstrate it, dummy. The actual device is basically a cockring with a motion sensor that you put on your own dick.

>>15152080

It's more about the grip (probably caused by the ergonomics of the cone tip, but maybe it has to do with the length of the shaft) and the extreme stiffness than about the gate. I was planning on using an octagate if anything, anyway.

Still, I still don't get that thing about effective areas: if you don't grind the joystick against the rail, you don't really care about the gate, and if you do, octagates give you quite the feedback to hit the right spot. The worst you can say about non square gates is that when grinding the stick, directions have unequal travel times, which shouldn't matter at all, and in fact will overall have less travel time when performing partial circle motions

Circle gates are cool if you play grapplers in fighting games.

Some people say square gate is superior for fighting games but these people are typically headband-wearing honorabru samurai that eat fish straight from the lake. If you're looking into buying a stick for fighting games or any type of game just pick what feels comfortable for you.

Personally I don't bother with a stick and use an Xbox 360 controller.

>>15152814

circles are jewish

>>15158917

>>15141944

Also, I've built and kept an arcade machine at a semi-public place where anyone can go and play whatever from 8 AM until 12PM. And yes, people are fucking animals that try to destroy everything, but I've been using sanwa (JLF) sticks for more than 6 years and I only need to replace them every two years.

Pushbuttons have a smaller lifespan (6 months to 1 year).

If you're using them with care and it's just you using them and not a bunch of basketball americans, they'll both last for years.

Your problem with japanese sticks is that you don't know the dimensions needed for your input to register, it's a common problem.

>>15142006

Don't do the Pinch hold, that's the worst way to handle a joystick, your hand slips out easily. If you're using ball tops, do the wine glass (doesn't matter between which finger the shaft is).

If you're using bat-tops, use embed related.

>>15141944

Koreans use bat-top too

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