/v/ - Video Games

Any idea of when after the end will be updated?

Or atleast the fan-version.

>>15106287

The official After The End mod is pretty much dead, you're gonna have to play the fan fork now.

>>15106321

I dont know why but i cant get it to work.

>>15106290

>Venezuela

Are you using a proxy, anon?

>>15106341

There are actually plenty of venezuelans around that play GSG, i know because i am one.

It's a cheapass proxy.

>>15106362

>>15106341

>>15106327

That's funny, it was the opposite for me, the fan fork works but the last version of After The End didn't work regardless of what version of CK2 I used.

>crusader kings 2 update never ever

>>15107119

oy gevalt it's anudda showa

>>15107334

Any chance you know of a download link for M&T?

>>15107334

Noice. What military ideas do you have? I imagine you went full loot at the starting event?

Why not Gupta though?

>>15109377

Yeah I know it's gross. Yugoslavia had it under control for a couple of decades too.

>>15109377

Are you actually a delusional "Macedonian"?

>>15109439

""""""""""""""""Macedonian""""""""""""""""""""

>>15109448

With almost no ethnic Greeks left living in FYROM combined with massive Albanian birthrates and if nothing changes it's going to be Shiptar land by the end of this century. Just like in Kosovo they will simply outbreed the locals and cry for NATO help if someone tries to stop them.

>>15109439

Macedonia is rightful Yugo clay

>>15109487

What are the people from the FYROM even?

Bulgarians larping as macedonians?

>>15109491

Yugoslavia is a meme country that never should have existed.

>>15109506

The whole area should be Hungarian, tbqh. Slavs are only wasting that land.

>>15109515

If anything it should be Austrian clay if not Yugo

>>15109493

Yes. Half a million of them actually have Bulgarian passports. They want it so they can free-travel in the EU, which mostly mean they are running away from their country, and Bulgaria is giving them the passports like candy.

>>15109523

If only greeks would get their heads out of their ass and start mass breeding again like they did in ancient times we wouldnt have this problem.

>>15109519

>implying the Austrians aren't just wasting their land, too

It's okay, Hungary will save them from themselves.

>>15109538

You are saying it as if there is anyone white in Europe that is breeding.

>>15109553

The difference is that the rest is not surrounded by turks, muslims and albanians.

>>15109564

But they are.

>>15109592

Ignore flag.

>>15109515

Genetic studies have proven that Hungarians are western Slavs in denial, closest to the Croats.

>>15109599

Werent hungarians/magyars turkic (of the hun type)?

>>15109601

The original Hungarians were a steppe horde, those who adopted their language and served under their kingdom were mostly not.

>>15109601

Magyars have never been Huns. The first steppe horde to inhabit Hungary happened to be Hunnic, so the name remained as such, but the Magyars are completely unrelated to them as far as I'm aware. Hungary has always been a steppe magnet throughout its history, mostly due to its geography, Magyars were merely the last of a series of hordes to reach it.

>>15109613

They are, linguistically, but they are racially Slavic.

>>15109614

Recent genetic research indicates that russians are mostly finno ugrics speaking slavic.

>>15109630

Russians are on average more Turkic than most Anatolian Turks, but their racial background depends largely on their location within Russia. Most Russians from the point of Moscow and northwards are indeed Finno-Ugric. The rest, especially near the Caucasus and beyond the Urals, are Turkic.

>>15109638

>Italy

>ruling anything

Stick to making noodles. Better to leave politics to the world.

>>15109643

We must free our finnic brothers from the slavic/jewish yoke.

>>15109654

Pan-finngolia when?

>>15109610

The direct Hun-Hungarian continuity is a later fabrication, but the ruling dynasty claimed descent from Attila from the start.

>>15109613

>>15109614

That's Habsburg-Marxist BS. It is so absurd the official claim now is "only" the language is Finnic, but there is no explanation how fucking arctic fishermen became Pontic steppeniggers.

And in CK2 there is a Finn-Magyar mega culture that the Chinese Emperor can like or dislike.

>>15110518

>but the ruling dynasty claimed descent from Attila from the start.

It's made up bullshit. Magyars were descendants of Attila as much as Lithuanians were descendants of Roman Emperors.

>>15109353

https://bitbucket.org/meiouandtaxes/master-repository/downloads/?tab=branches

Get the 2.5 branch.

>>15109374

No military ideas, yes to full loot.

India honestly sucks ass and can't fight for shit. You start out with -15% infantry combat ability and -5% discipline. This is on top of your government giving +.15 monthly autonomy which means around 30% less of everything (direct income, manpower, forcelimit, ect). But when you have 100 power projection, 100 prestige, around 50 tradition, max fanaticism, and the bonus morale from looting your morale is around 50% greater than everyone else and you just barrel through with horrible casualties and usually stackwipe any smaller army you can catch. I was 100k manpower in the hole and Song had 100k manpower reserve when the war ended, but all the manpower reserve in the world doesn't mean much if I can just keep pushing their shit off land. In retrospect I could have hid behind level 6 forts and worn them down, I did that for war 2.

Military ideas aren't worth it in M&T IMO, except maybe leadership (+general bonuses are still amazing) and mercenary (+100% mercenaries and +5% discipline is great, but mercenary cap is based on force limit and my force limit is shit thanks to autonomy (around 60), all my troops come from estates so my merc cap is 11). Not worth the thousands of Mil points that need to go into tech, especially when India is basically the worst institution spot in the game (Meritocracy just arrived and I don't have banking yet).

>Why not Gupta though?

I think it's broken, it needs me to own 25 cities in indus yet from what I can tell Indus only has 11 possible cities. In any case I don't think the decision does anything except tag change, you get no ideas or cores (claims on the rest of India but it's a bit irrelevant at this point).

>>15110723

Ruling dynasty != all Magyars

That's the whole point.

Especially now that there's genetic tests for what was already known, the "original" Magyars were coming from wildly diverse racial, tribal and probably linguistic background. Some of them inevitably, and probably unknowingly had Hun ancestors, but what matters is the dynasty had the Attila tradition going.

That's why culture groups are bullshit in CK2. Bulgarians can be Altaic, but Hungarians are their own in a Finn megagroup

>>15109673

I unironically want a game based off this.

Any idea of what happened to that neat mod for CK2 about the mediterrean when humans were outbreeding the neanderthals?

>>15111562

That would re-open old wounds and start off another hyper war.

>>15111572

We need another hyper war.

>>15111728

May he and his fingolian warriors rest in peace.

>>15111562

>>15109673

Is there actually any context surrounding when this image was made. Was a korean poster having a scuffle with a finnposter? Or is it just a compilation of memes?

>>15111779

/his/ being /his/ is as far as I remember.

>>15109377

I don't see any Bulgarian Macedonia, Greece has it. Bulgaria only has Fyrom.

Where can I find previous versions of HIP?

>>15113567

Nevermind I have figured it out.

>>15114075

This is honestly the funniest I've ever seen as it seems #1 more jocular in tone and #2 focuses on issues with both sides

>>15114169

inb4triggeredjewpigs

>>15112924

>no bozmek

2/10

>>15114210

Haven't had a good big boi Germany post in a while, also I wanted to see if it was still possible in HFM. It's possible, yet a little difficult.

>>15114169

>3rd in industry

>3rd in prestige

>167/185

>44/136

>closed factories

>unemployed craftsmen

2/10

>>15114231

>playing as Germany

>difficult

pick one

>>15114266

It's 1874 give me a break, by 1890 I'll be number one in pretty much everything. Playing as Germany isn't hard, never did I say that. I said forming Super Germany in HFM is slightly difficult.

>>15112924

Where do the names come from?

>>15114452

>1874

You can do this by 1855, 1850 if you want to go through an infamy war.

>>15118059

I'd like to see someone form Super Germany in 1855 in HFM mod with Anon's edits. I've done that easily in vanilla, that's not that hard.

Why do people get so assblasted with blobbing? If the game allows you to indiscriminately over extend isn't it the game's fault, like in EUIV?

>>15114169

I've yet to see a screenshot of this mod that doesn't include some sort of greater Germany. Fucking ridiculous.

>>15118758

After overcoming the initial challenge, big blobs on the map face no real opposition and the game becomes boring. The AI is too retarded to effectively combat you. Even in Victoria 2.

>>15118968

This and it looks ugly.

Though to be fair, the games are practically designed to reward blobbing.

>>15118968

>The AI is too retarded

Is it possible to fix this sort of problem? Is good ai just a meme?

>>15118758

/gsg/ are in a sense rpg's. You "roleplay" a country.

Yes it's nice that you are good and conquer everything but it's considered blobbing because you do it indiscriminately and without following the nation's character that gave rise to it. You don't behave like "that" country but just add territory like slime mold.

F.e. it's cool to conquer the Mediterranean islands for trade and naval supremacy with GB but it's blobbing if you start invading the Ottos and conquering them just because they are currently weak. Anyone could do that.

Plus it looks ugly as fuck when you look at the world map.

>>15119588

Is there a nation whose character was adding as much territory as possible?

>>15119433

/gsg/ AI is bad because of different options available to it.

Not to even mention a two front war. You can win 100% against SU in HoI if you invade from Finland and/or Turkey at the same time. Or attack them with Japan in 1940 for a 2 month war.

>>15119606

Timurids

>>15119606

Solely because of muh clay? Alexander the Blobbing. The things that come with it like trade and buffers/defense?

Roman Republic/little of Empire, Huns, Mongols, Russia, Spain, Portugal, GB, early USA, colonial powers in Africa due to various factors, Japan. Once Germany or France tried it inside Europe they were destroyed due to the balance of powers.

But most of them were in the modern era due to the over extension meme which was one of the reasons why Roman Empire stopped expanding and eventually ate itself. Once you can't effectively communicate you tend to disintegrate.

I think that transport capacity in HoI illustrates that in the best way. MEIOU also has a nice system where you can't blob early on.

>>15119433

Actual good AI in strategy games like this are computationally expensive. Even for a single nation, decent AI algorithms would take a while to process. Expand this to several hundred nations, and the game would slow to a crawl.

In strategy games, the AI is usually a reflex agent. It doesn't store or make use of past data. It just examines what it currently sees, and makes a move based on that. This is why it's so easy to exploit the AI and why the AI sometimes gets into loops. The AI probably doesn't take into account the consequences of it's move either, but just make whatever move "looks good".

It'd be possible to improve the AI without tanking game performance, but it'd require actually clever programming and a decent time investment. Preferably you would actually have an AI specialist doing that. You can't market an AI DLC, so Paradox would rather spend their time and money making new buttons and cosmetic packs.

>>15119656

It really sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

>>15119656

TC isn't really that important in HoI. You can be well over the limit and you will still be able to blob. I easily defeated USA in TRP mod playing as Germany even though I was 2000 over the TC limit. It just makes org regain slower.

>>15111779

That was from the Gallimulator threads on /v/

>>15119946

I'm pretty sure warscore is calculated by how much you beat the enemy, not just by the size of the battle. So if you're Finland and beat a massive army of Russians, you get a lot of warscore. In your case, since you're basically smashing two equal mega stacks together, and the casualties are near equal, the warscore is less. Think of it like the battle of Verdun; you both equally fuck up.

>>15120243

Not really, it was somewhere over 6 million (oy vey) Americans to my 1.5 million Germans. Look at the bars and numbers in the battle. 802k on the American side is a small sliver to the total bar, where 796k is close to half in my total bar.

>>15120253

Huh, don't know what happened then. Maybe the game did mess up.

Ironic how a Jew is leading 6 million Americans to their death.

>>15120243

This pisses me off.

I once got into a war with spain, germany and austria-hungary and gran colombia over cuba and puerto rico, i had fully sieged the caribbean islands and kept beating the stacks that kept landing on my coasts, no matter how many times i won i didnt get almost any warscore because i wasnt sieging shit in europe and they were partly blockading me.

>>15119765

in general, yes, but we're talking paradox here. Even EU3 AI was better than EU4's in that it held grudges and was sure to dogpile you if it thought you were too busy fighting a strong enemy. Paradox add shitloads of AI shit with each update so that the AI too partakes in the content bloat they hit out (however poorly it does that). If there was the will and competence to make a good AI, we'd get a great one without shitting up the performance.

>>15120446

But doesn't Paracuck "balance" their games around the multiplayer nobody plays?

>>15120453

Yeah they balance around in house lan games. Though when you've got an entire office playing you don't really end up with many majors being AI thus they don't optimise the majors AI around new features to keep their efficiency up to compare with players. So you end up with the AI for a regional medium power with all the might of the big blue blob.

>>15119858

Then enlighten me with your counter arguments on the points I made uh-uh guy. Until then gtfo.

>>15119895

>TC isn't really that important in HoI.

It sure as fuck is in Russia, especially on the hardest difficulty. And the point of Blitzkrieg is high org low regain.

Or take Japan while you're going through Siberia/China/whichever shithole with no infrastructure and many partisans.

>I easily defeated USA

USA? Where? Their homeland? That really isn't a challenge since you probably defeated SU at that point. It's pretty much a steamroll due to the experienced troops and generals.

Is it normal for Mars not to have any resources?

Can geo survey teams find things where geo scanners found absolutely nothing?

>>15118968

Ah, I can see why you would say that. I'm more of that line of thinking where if the game lets you do something that can't be considered cheating (like save scumming) then by any means you should go for any other exploit. The one thing most paracucks games would benefit from is the Civ IV "unfair" AI where the enemy countries would get immense bonuses but they'd still treat you just like any other country so they don't necessarily gang up on you. Except with the addition of forming a mega faction to try and kill you once you're too strong.

>>15119588

But isn't the entire point of the Britbongs (or most other attacker-kind-nations) to expand way beyond their natural borders and influence or import their own kind of culture onto the other nations they beat up? Like, one thing that could make it less blobby is having puppets or protectorates more lucrative in the long run than keeping territories all by yourself. If anything, realistically, most modern nations despised IRL blobbing because 1) it would lead the world into considering them scum of the Earth and openly forming coalitions to stop them (Napoleon, Second Reich, the Ottomans) or 2) the defeated nation would harbor a huge amount of rebels that would rather sabotage your entire economy and your host country form within than let them be ruled over (the whole of the Middle East, the Americas).

>>15120601

Yes.

Just set automated order the geological survey for five nearest bodies in command menu and set order to refuel when fuel storage is less than 60%.

>>15120962

>Is it normal for Mars not to have any resources?

Yes. Sol system has hard set for every body in resources.

You can change it in Spacemaster mode, if you run out of something.

>>15120962

It's all random i think, you could have an assload of high access resources on luna or have a barren solar system. I think it might be weighted though, I remember getting a lot of stuff on venus and mercury consistently.

>>15120601

I'm almost positive there's an automatic survey nearest body command in one of the tabs

>>15118968

Forgot to mention, this is a pretty good presentation and shows just how much thought they used to put when designing games that "sound" fair even though they're clearly not.

One of the things that always struck a chord with me is just how different the game is viewed by the player/s and the AI - at some point in the presentation, the point of the player being able to save scum or to simply reassess his strategy or cheat outright is brought up and it really puts things into perspective. What if you found an exploit with the pop growth in Victoria II that is obviously unrealistic but that doesn't warrant an outright patch? The AI can't use it, clearly, but you can.

>>15121233

Larger planets are weighted to be more likely to have resources and to have more. This is why Venus almost always has something.

>>15120962

>Can geo survey teams find things where geo scanners found absolutely nothing?

Yes, it's basically a reroll. Only really worth doing on planets and some big moons (Luna, majors around Jupiter and Saturn), not every asteroid in the solar system. Skill level of the survey team doesn't affect chance to find stuff, it only affects the speed of the survey.

[spoiler]Major exploit, you don't need to drop off a science team anywhere, just set a body to be a colony and you can spawn the team there with zero lag time.[spoiler]

>>15120446

Spot on. EU IV / CK2 is so bloated at the moment that the AI doesn't even pretend to know what to do anymore.

So anons, what do you listen to while playing grand strategy games?

I like to listen to music of the time period or folkloric music of the country im playing as, its specially comfy on vicky 2 since its a more peacefull game.

>>15124460

The soundtrack for games with good soundtrack. Still haven't found something that works for CK2.

>>15120446

EU4's AI is definitely better in most respects. Stuff like managing armies and not suiciding into stupid situations is almost decent. However it's also programmed to act "realistically", in that it doesn't attack the player immediately if they are weak or dogpile (unless it's a coalition). Instead it has to plan a war ahead of time against a target that stays weak for a matter of years.

It's arguably better most of the time but it breaks down by the midgame when the player should realistically be the target of coalitions but isn't because the coalition mechanic is stupid and only designed to punish players for arbitrarily blobbing in the wrong direction too quickly rather than be a mechanic designed to give a challenge to overwhelmingly powerful nations.

>>15119433

Administrative Efficiency, internal militancy, basically making your country collapse under its own weight. If you fine tune Administrative Efficiency enough then you could end up with a situation where blobbing past a certain point just pushes you towards economic collapse because you can't run such a vast empire effectively. CWE has a fuckton of militancy in colonies and if you don't decolonize you'll eventually just get fucked by rebels. Other alternatives are stuff like partisans, foreign nations you've annexed flipping into actual countries at war with you if you go toe to toe with another great power.

Not necessarily realistic solutions, but being able to blob in the first place isn't realistic either.

>>15124186

>Major exploit

Not really considering it takes no effort to actually take them there. I'd call that a minor exploit that reduces micromanagement (ironically, since that would require a lot of micromanagement).

How good is the Elder Scrolls mod for CKII? Any other good fantasy mods?

>>15106327

I think the last version of the mod was released for the previous CKII version, so you might want to try rolling back your game.

>>15126978

It's pretty good, runs well too, well it runs well on my potato laptop, if you want to play another fantasy mod you should try the Middle Earth mod, it's pretty fleshed out for a mod that's still in beta.

Is there any way to change CK2's title screen so that it doesn't display terrain? I just want to be able to load a save from the menu without my toaster suffering needlessly.

>>15128560

Don't save scum so much. Also just press continue. I think one of the latest beta updates also changed the main menu.

In Aurora I'm hitting 30 days and 1 day is passing unless I have auto turns on and over 1 minimum increment. Also, is there some sort of list of jump points I can find?

>>15128898

>In Aurora I'm hitting 30 days and 1 day is passing unless I have auto turns on and over 1 minimum increment

Probably some alien ships near you, or near other alien ships on the other side of the galaxy.

Do all of your ships have sensors? My first game I didn't know how to make civilian ones and my science ships ran blind, so I didn't realize when I was barging through alien systems and pissing them off.

Friendly aliens never slow down time AFAIK, only neutrals/unfriendlies.

>Also, is there some sort of list of jump points I can find?

Like, per system? They are all destination waypoints in the fleet screen. You have to scan with gravships for them to show up.

>>15129010

I checked events and it was actually my geo survey ships being out of fuel.

>They are all destination waypoints in the fleet screen.

Unable to find the fleet screen, am I retarded?

>>15129051

>Unable to find the fleet screen, am I retarded?

9th button from the left on the system screen, looks like a star destroyer. You should see jump points as unexplored once they've been found by a gravsurvey ship.

If you haven't surveyed with a gravsurvey ship you can tick the "survey locations" checkbox to see a list of possible jump points, or just set the default order to "survey nearest survey location" to have it go automatically.

>>15125380

>However it's also programmed to act "realistically", in that it doesn't attack the player immediately if they are weak or dogpile (unless it's a coalition).

How is that realistic at all? Big empires got dogpiled on all sides the moment they showed weakness.

>>15130467

15th century empires can't look up the number of soldiers you have on wikipedia to figure out you dismissed 10k troops yesterday.

>>15124186

Just want to thank you for the tip on making them a colony. That is so much less of a headache than transporting them it's hardly comparable.

>>15130532

they tend to hear about two ebin blobs duking it out, however.

>>15131061

Yes

Is HoI IV worth 20 bucks?

>>15132379

Not even worth a pirating

>>15132379

Not even worth taking the clicking route, the bandwidth and the hand/mental effort to pirate.

Now flog yourself for even thinking of buying it.

Pirate Darkest Hour instead. The best HoI game.

>>15131061

It's not that EU3 is inherently better, it's just much less bloated and there's much less "based wymin". Also the AI is more realistic in that it will hold grudges or unexpectedly help you out if their national interests align with yours, it's why you have a Likely-NotLikely system instead of a Yes/No one.

>>15132379

not even worth the pirate

t.knower

>>15132379

Are you selling?

Yeah, if you can get $20 for HoI4 go for it.

>>15132656

what about MEIOU for EU4?

>>15131061

EU4 w/ M&T is worthy of consideration but vanilla is just a bloated mess now. All of the recent EU4 DLCs are nothing but pay to win packs that add new ways to get and spend mana while the overall game languishes in an unfinished state.

Is there amod for hoI4 where your can be comicly evil? Like… Over the top crazy mandatory child slavery/Public executions of ugly people/mandatory attendance at rape camps for population boost levels of evil?

>>15134423

Play the USSR

>>15134423

Stop playing hoi4.

>>15134457

He said comically evil not depressingly evil.

>>15134457

What do they get to do?

>>15134477

And play what?

>>15134487

Explain please?

>>15134637

>And play what?

If you really need to play a hearts of iron game, then darkest hour or 3, 4 is complete cancer.

Do you guys play with straits of Dover enabled? Of course no straits is more realistic but is having the straits more balanced, even more fun?

>>15134665

Is there a reason 4 is complete cancer?

>>15134983

It's like a tablet game. It is based upon you using the braindamaged AI to control your army. The AI of other countries is trash. Military mana. Political mana. No variety in armies, always the same. The nukes being dogshit. The airgame.

Only good thing is the naval game, but that gets broken by subs III too.

>>15134983

You dont belong in this thread if youre seriusly asking that at this point.

>>15134861

The straits are more fun ONLY because all paradox games cant handle naval invasions.

Give me a game a nation/person and a goal.

I want to make a mediocre situation work. No challenge shit like grenada in EU3, but no majors either.

>>15134992

Fair enough, but is HoI 3 overly complex? My only previous experience with strategy games was 4X games like Civ 3, 4 and 5

>>15134996

I wanted to get into GS games but half the thread is memes and I didn't understand whether HoI 3 or 4 would be good to get.

>>15135022

Wich game?

>>15135024

You could have fucking asked.

If 3 is too complex, then try darkest hour, or better yet, a game from another time period like EU, CK or vicky.

>>15135028

Read the fourth word in my post

>>15135024

>3

>overly complex

The only complex thing is the strategic layer. Nothing else is hard. And that one is hard because of the high number of provinces.

>>15135022

Dorkest Hour with that fallout mod. Play the Enclave and conquer the west coast.

>>15135037

Sorry for my retardness anon.

Go claim a paraguay with pretty borders that doesnt get bullied by brazil and company in victoria 2 with HFM and anon edits.

>>15135032

I did fucking ask. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll stop shitting up the thread now

>>15135045

Alright then, 3 it is then. I only asked because both GoG and Steam's reviews mentioned it being too complex for them. I wanted to make sure it was just normalfag whining and not a legitimate concern.

>>15135024

If you're looking to get into GSG's, and don't really care about the time period, it'd probably be best to start with EUIV or CKII. Preferably CKII, since it hasn't been fucked up as much by Paradox, but EUIV is definitely the most user friendly that's the one I started with. Even Victoria II isn't hard if you just start off by watching a couple tutorials online.

>>15135022

CKII, start as one of the feudal vassals of the Pope, goal is to have the Pope become an emperor. Bonus points for each dynasty member you have on the Throne of Peter.

TODAY I WILL REMIND THEM

more buffs for otomans lmao

>>15135235

No, no it's written "more buffs for otomo"

-o suffix not -an

>>15109487

>implying there will be a NATO at the end of this century

>implying the shqips won't get rekt by the srps forever and ever.

>>15135235

again?

Why aren't threads updating properly?

>>15138932

Because Mark ate all the bandwidth

>>15138212

What if turks get uppity at christians bullying their rape babies?

>>15139055

The word for Albanian in Turkish translates to "those who go forward", indicating that they were the cannon fodder of Ottoman armies.

>>15139481

>>15139055

Just a minor historical fact I found interesting. Yet Alboniggers regard Turks as brothers, and Turks will often state that the name is meant to praise the bravery of Albanian troops.

Either way, Alboniggers have been Turkey's most obedient and servile pets since their conversion.

>>15139874

>since when have albanians settled the lands of albania?

Contrary to what many Americans seem to believe, Albanians are not rape babies. Traitors they certainly are, but not rape babies. They claim to be and most likely are Illyrian, meaning the ethnicity that inhabited the western Balkans, essentially the territories of later Yugoslavia, before the arrival of the Slavs. Most southern Slavic ethnicities are themselves only somewhat Slavic, being instead a mix of Slavs with pre-existing Balkan peoples. In the case of Bulgars, that'd be Greeks and Thracians, hence them being swarthy compared to their neighbors. In the case of Serbs, that'd be Greeks and Illyrians, with Greek elements being most prominent in the south, which is often mistakenly thought to be home to rape babies by Croats and Serbian purists.

>When did they convert?

Conversions first occurred in the 15th century, immediately following the Ottoman conquest, but it was only in the 17th and 18th centuries that Albanians started converting in significant numbers. The incentive was, as is also the case for the P*maks, avoiding the Jizya (additional religious tax for non believers imposed upon the the Christian and Jewish populations of Muslim realms, in this case the Ottomans). Albanian landholders were the first to convert, and they urged their subordinates to follow suit. Though the conversion of Albanians and Bulgars was somewhat similar, the conversion of Bosniaks was mostly aided by the region's peculiar religious composition. The Bosniaks had up until then been Bogomilist heretics with no central clerical authority to impose religious compliance, so it was fairly easy for the Ottomans to convert the fragmented communities individually.

>>15139936

Tell me about the p*maks, are they pieces of shit as well?

>>15140041

Meant for >>15139950

>>15140041

>>15139936

Had no idea Bulgaria was so fucked.

It's a shame they didn't rid themselves of Muslims when they had the chance when they got independence

>>15140041

Man that sucks, I hate t*rks and their rapebaby spawn even more now.

Victoria 2 makes me feel anxious. I really dislike how if you leave the game on full speed for like 3 minutes a decade, 10% of the game's timeline, passes.

>>15140041

What's funnier is that Turks from Izmir and Ankara are much more progressive and less concerned with Islam than Turks abroad, it's almost as if their government sent the worst of their worst to indirectly colonize Europe.

>>15142092

>Izmir

The ethnic composition of Izmir is quite interesting. Since the onset of WW1, Izmir and other coastal regions were slowly being emptied of Greeks and Armenians in order to make room for Balkanite Muslim refugees fleeing the Balkan wars, who were settled in formerly Greek and Armenian properties. Izmir is significantly Balkanite, which could partially explain its comparatively Cosmopolitan and secular spirit.

That modern mod for V2 forget it's name, is it good? It looks like a huge, bloated mess to play and I remember it running like shit when I tried it. Should I give it another try? What fun is there to even be had? I'm not a creative type of player if I'm being completely honest, I wouldn't have an idea on what to do.

>>15142042

I'm contantly changing game speeds and pausing with the +, - and pause buttons on my keyboard. Wish full speed ran smoother.

>>15142076

>they simply look inbred

They are, excessively so in fact. You'll be hard pressed to find a European nation more inbred than Albania. Inbreeding is thought to be among the reasons why Albanians are so prone to criminal behavior and exhibit increased risk for genetic deceases in comparison to all other European ethnic groups. The prevalence of inbreeding has resulted in Albanians having a relatively small pool of last names.

Caucasian Albania is entirely unrelated to Albania as far as I'm aware. I'm not entirely certain about why the same name was used in both cases, but I've read that both regions/peoples were named as such by the Romans without bearing any connection to any specific or shared ethnicity.

>>15142164

CWE?

Yeah ts fun, for dicking around with diplomacy, spheres and such during the cold war or taking a poor country and making it a world power through industry and tech.

Almost no warfare though, so no blobbing until you can form super countries.

>>15142076

Are the iberians from the ancient caucasus related to iberians from iberia?

Because if not, what a confusing name.

>>15142179

That was my main concern with it, I didn't play a game but my immediate thought and impression was there's not going to be any wars are there? Is it even possible to justify wars?

>taking a poor country and making it a world power through industry and tech

Wew, I'm shit at industry I can't even manage to get high score with Japan, Germany is automatic #1 industry score.

>>15142076

>>15142171

This point should be made clear if you look at Iberia, as shown in your map. Roman names do not necessarily correspond to particular ethnic groups, and they are sometimes used for multiple locations, much like American settlements are often named after existing European cities or territories.

>>15142186

You can get in wars but mostly not for clay, but for shit like installing puppet goverments with your ideology and liberating people, you can also play world police with the UN and go around putting down civil wars and rebellions for prestige and keeping your side of the cold war strong.

You can claim world police if you get a populist goverment, but that will make everyone dislike you.

>cant into industrialization

But anon, thats most of the fun in vicky!

>>15142231

*you can claim clay with a populist goverment

>>15142076

Caucasian Albania was just the Roman name for the kingdom/place, iirc it comes from the Armenian word for 'friendly', Aghvank. Nobody knows how they called themselves, but what is known is that the ruling ethnicity of the old Caucasian Albania are the modern Udin peoples of Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan; a group of peoples predating the arrival of the Indo-Europeans, possibly related to the original Caspians. By Persian buttfuckery, most of their rulers and nobles were replaced by ethnic Parthians. It was a relatively longlinved kingdom as well, spawning around 300BC until it was literally raped by arabs in the rashidun caliphate.

They got Christianized fairly early as well, I think it was around the 200~300's AD (Same as with Georgia and Armenia.) They also got evangelized by St. Mesrob Mashtots, the guy who invented the Armenian alphabet, who also invented an alphabet for Albanians as well.

Funfact: azeri t*rks like to claim they are the true descendants of Caucasian Albanians, and also like to destroy historical Armenian monuments as to stress the 'fact' that no Armenians ever lived west of the Kura river, and whatever Armenians lived there were 'anatolian refugees' who arrived in the 19th century. T*rks are fucking dastardly no matter where they're from.

Been playing CK2 lately. Why does everyone hate kids? If any of my characters die and their successor is still kid it's straight up game over for the kid because literally everyone is gonna be trying to straight up murder the poor little tyke.

>>15143258

Because they are both vulnerable and unfit to rule.

Homever, if you manage to survive you will have long reign really quick and get huge buffs.

>>15143342

The best run I ever had was an Early Middle Ages game as the Duke of Wessex. It went on for a really long time and I almost conquered all of Britain. But a series of poor decisions and unfortunate coincidences ended with me as a 13 yr old boy and the one next in line isn't of my bloodline. I haven't come back to that game ever since because I'm terrified to have such a good run ruined because my vassals decided the kingdom would be better off chopped into pieces without a core bloodline.

On that topic, FUCK VASSALS. Nothing's ever good enough for those little shits.

>>15142139

But it's also partly Italian thanks to the influx of workers rebuilding it in the interwar period. It's weird as fuck.

is there a way to implement the israel minimod to anon's edits of hfm? I think it's just moving the mod's contents to the edits right?

>>15143258

What pisses me off is that if you have more than one son, the moment you die all the work you put into making a unified land instantly gets fractured. Motherfucking Swedes, stop cucking my shit. From what I'm seeing in the dev blogs, this may get fixed on the next update so you can arrange this sort of thing, but good god is this annoying as fuck.

>>15143637

You need to make compatibility patches for the conflicting files and overwrite Anon's edits with Kikemod. The author of kikemod doesn't want anything to do with reddit/HFM, so as to respect his wishes, I haven't integrated his stuff to Anon's edits.

>>15143952

>You need to make compatibility patches for the conflicting files

how do I do that? I've never done that stuff in victoria 2 before

>>15143663

Gavelkind is for the birds. Primogeniture forever.

>>15143663

I wonder if that even happened that much in real life history. I understand that the sons of a ruler had a right to get some land but why would they need to become independent as well? That would just make the lands of their dynasty incredibly weaker to foreign enemies.

>>15144611

Just look at spain, many time the christian realms unified only to balkanize each time the king died as different sons inherited different things.

>>15144047

It's never too late to learn. Just compare which files does kikemod modify and overwrite them with in anon's edits (with the content from kikemod), usually the stuff kikeanon changed is by the end of the file. Be sure to make backups.

What's a fun country to play as in vicky2? Kinda bored from always picking anything in the Balkans.

>>15145869

btw, it's with HFM and anon's edits.

>>15145869

>>15145871

That depends, what do you want to do?

Anon edits anon has mostly worked in south america and the caucasus.

>>15145878

I know, I'm the anon from anon's edits. Kinda looking to expand my horizons. Already worked in Poland and Cascadia as well. Don't know what else could I add to the world.

>>15145890

Maybe ethiopia?

>>15145901

I like Ethiopia, but can you even do anything fun with them? Aside from westernizing before 1936

>>15145926

Restoring the old kingdom of aksum, freeing the copthics, not getting steamrolled by europeans during the colonization of africa and maybe fuck over the arabs?

>>15145940

Eh, doesn't sound as fun as killing t*rks

>>15145962

How about playing some hindu country and kicking the anglos out of india?

>>15145962

play the turks

>>15145982

Sounds interesting. What should I play as? Panjab?

>>15145869

netherlands, sweden or chile

>>15145995

Dont know enough about them to recommend anon, maybe one of the southern kingdoms seeing how historically they were a bitch to conquer?

>>15146039

>netherlands

GrossnederlandiumsRemove B*lgium+South Africa?

>sweden

For Kalmar and importing Somalis?

>chile

What can you even do as Chile? Aside from stomping the Mapuche and possibly colonizing Patagonia before the Argies.

>>15146043

Guess I'll try Panjab or whatever Sikh nation there is, don't really like the south because Dr*vidians. Alternatively, I could simply release Sri Lanka since they're technically Indo-Aryan.

>>15146053

I also avoid doing it during death anniversaries.

>>15146068

>GrossnederlandiumsRemove B*lgium+South Africa?

yes, make sure to fuck britain everytime you can and secure the indian ocean

>For Kalmar and importing Somalis?

yes, be friends with the germans and colonize the horn of africa

>What can you even do as Chile? Aside from stomping the Mapuche and possibly colonizing Patagonia before the Argies.

I dont know actually, I mentioned it since they're the only ones without a lot of choices to make (I think)

also is Sri Lanka really indo-aryan? I thought they were different from north or south indians

>>15146068

With chile theres not much to do apart from defeating peru and bolivia, anything more than its current borders is gross blobbing.

>>15146124

The thing with chile is that unlike the rest of the countries that had some reoevant claims or historical conquests (like say, venezuela with the grand colombia or argentina consolidating the southern cone), chile was just a backwater colony that was completely isolated from the rest because mountains and just developed alone until they got into that war with the northern neightbours and won.

>>15146136

And now they're better than 90% of spic america. Being a backwater shithole pays off sometimes.

>>15146124

interesting, isnt sri lanka way more developed than india?

>Don't really know much about Chilean history myself.

well I'm one and our history isnt that significant/important, we just had some wars with our neighbours, a lot of political crisis and that's it really

>>15146148

No anon, isolation does, being allowed to just develop peacefully because noone wants to cross huge mountains for copper mines and fishing villages does wonders, also the lack of great powers dicking around.

>>15145869

Iran, Papal States, Boers, Tibet, Argentina, Sweden, unironically Ottos

>>15147336

>Right now I feel likes it's only sheer numbers that really matter.

But that was the main strategy in the middle ages. More men.

The reason why France were dominant with their arable land.

>>15142231

>You can get in wars but mostly not for clay

Yeah that's the modern world we live in.

>But anon, thats most of the fun in vicky!

I know, I get a boner seeing my industrial score rise and taking provinces with vital resources. Fucking Germany has an insane amount of coal and the rest of the colonized lands don't have a lot of coal.

>>15147370

That's true as well, but French did have a lot of trouble pacifying Flanders and fighting off the English so it's not like more numbers will guarantee a victory no matter what. I just think unites like the heavy cavalry due to their sheer cost are falling behind simply spamming light troops / archers supported by some pikemen.

I want to set up rape camps, use chemical weapons on civilians, arrest and mutilate dissidents, steralize my enemies, etc.

Basically be as evil as Stalin, Mao, and Hitler wished they could be.

What game/mod?

>>15148505

HOI4

>>15146151

>interesting, isnt sri lanka way more developed than india?

No Idea, it's probably better/more peaceful and with less rape than India, that's for sure. They're also predominantly Buddhist, a relic of the Indian subcontinent's ancient past.

>>15147308

>Iran, Papal States, Boers, Tibet, Argentina, Sweden, unironically Ottos

Might try Iran and Tibet in the future, already tried t*rks and Boers, forming the Volkstaat is pretty fun.

What can you even do as Tibet?

>>15148505

No GSG game is that detailed you edgelord.

The most you can do is kill pops with decisions in vicky 2.

>>15148518

What mods?

>>15148505

>Hitler is evil meme

Back to cuckchan.

>>15148505

>rape

CK2+Dark World

>chemical weapons

[spoiler]Vic2+CWE/[spoiler]

>arrest and mutilate dissidents

CK2

>steralize my enemies

CK2

>be as evil as Stalin, Mao, and Hitler wished they could be

HOI4

>>15146014

>Turks not being european

Now just haluk here

>>15148732

He won't be laughing when he's swimming in roaches.

>>15148743

he's not german though

>>15149222

>castille doesnt even own castilla

>independant galicia doesnt hold the capital of santiago

>anglo dick in iberia

Stop it with these disgusting borders.

>>15106237

New version of Anon's HFM edits has been released.

Not save-compatible, as per usual, remember to delete your cache.

https://mega.nz/#!FllVHSQK!RXzxf_efMMqGlaD1WamReUVNNHjMWwewon33mt5t2aY

Changelog V1.43b for HFM 1.27i:

>Cetatea Alba will now be properly seceded to RUS/ROM as one of the outcomes of the Crimean war/Great eastern crisis .

>Added more starting units to Circassia.

>Fixed some shit where the Papal States would get Rome instead of the Vatican city upon being released by Italy.

>Overhauled Greek populations in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt.

>Fixed a fuckup when renaming Syrian provinces (Hamas as Golan.)

>Added a new nation: The Patriarchate of Antioch (So Greek pops living in Antioch don’t get assimilated.)

>New province picture for Beirut.

My Pastebin:

https://pastebin.com/VZumvXiR

>>15149911

>The Patriarchate of Antioch

can I force the turks to release it or is it just made for the greek pops?

>>15150032

Just made for the pops. You could release it though, by changing 'is_releasable_vassal = no' to yes in ANON_HFM\history\countries\ACH - Antioch.txt

Same goes for Pontus and whatever other unreleasable Greek minors you wanna mess with.

>>15150091

can they joing greece or byzantium?

>>15150110

Only if conquered. They weren't really designed to break free or be released. I could make it annexable by GRE or BYZ though.

>>15150130

like when a country forms germany?

>>15150150

Yeah, when Pontus gets released, they get a decision to join GRE or BYZ, kinda like that

>>15150164

sweet, maybe the rest of the greek countries can also get that decision

>>15150164

>>15150197

Maybe a restore order CB if greece achieves the megaali idea and they have been released?

Also, where there really greeks by that point in syria?

>>15150204

There still are Greeks living in Syria and Lebanon, google Antiochene Greeks, also there was a sizable minority of Greeks living in Egypt too.

>>15150218

what about crimea?

>>15150241

There's lots of Greeks living in 1836 Crimea too.

>>15150264

I know but what about now?

>>15150269

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Ukraine

Apparently they're still alive and kicking.

>>15150292

impressive, is it possible in anon's edits to rename some provinces in greek? aside from anatolia of course

>>15150320

Yeah, you can rename the whole Levant, Syria, Crimea and North Africa until Tunis. You can also rename Italy and the Balkans.

>>15150333 (checked)

nice, if I play as russia can I form byzantium as my puppet? I makes sense for them to do it

>>15150355

Nope, you gotta be GRE. You can still help them conquer their old provinces though (With Megali)

>>15135235

good

My dad's learning to play HoI4 on account of being so good at hoi2: Darkest Hour he's bored shitless annexing russia in 1940 on the hardest difficulty before invading america, only to get swap countries and play as america to try and reverse it.

Tips? Tips for invading russia too? He's getting better, and in this game he's actually managed to murderise a significan amount of people but he's still finding his feet and trying to work out stuff like if missions or attachments are better for the airforce.

>>15151285

Are you sure they're mercs and not event spawned troops?

>>15151318

They appear as 'hired' under the levy breakdown. Even if they were spawned from an event though, wouldn't they still be paying upkeep?

Also, I don't even think such an event exists for the americanists. Not one that spawns THAT many troops anyway.

>>15151339

How much prestige did that OPM have?

>>15151285

Holy Orders maybe? You can hire those guys for free if you're defending against a holy war.

>>15149911

New version of Anon's HFM edits has been released.

Not save-compatible, as per usual, remember to delete your cache. Sorry about the sudden update.

https://mega.nz/#!ZpdnxCZR!lqnbQqmCOFurcn7z45qR6WilyO1qzrhh5Xj-2OFl8FI

Changelog V1.43c for HFM 1.27i:

>Added a new nation: The Patriarchate of Alexandria (So Greek pops living in Egypt don’t get assimilated.)

>Added a few more Greeks to Egypt, as well as several Armenian pops (which are also historical.)

>Made Ikonion, Pontus, Antioch, Anatolia and Alexandria releasable.

>GRE can integrate any country with Greek as primary culture (Cyprus, Crete, Ikonion, Pontus, Antioch, Anatolia and Alexandria) via decision provided they are under GRE’s sphere of influence (This was technically already in vanilla HFM, but I tweaked it a bit. Also it’s GRE only for some reason, can’t do anything about that.)

My Pastebin:

https://pastebin.com/VZumvXiR

>>15148505

>Basically be as evil as Stalin, Mao, and Hitler wished they could be

>Hitler

>evil

Summer ends in a month

>>15151446

Is there a bigger changelog that shows all the changes?

Also can you maybe go on the forums and post the 1.0 changelog for HFM please? It's the only changelog he didn't post.

>>15152755

There's a doc file inside the 7z listing all the changes, it's too long to be posted here. Also I don't have access to the forums.

>>15148505

Reported for not even trying.

>>15152755

Pedophile

>>15152755

>>15151446

>look at GRE decision folder

>you can found the byzantine Empire and it gives you south_italian and bulgarian as accepted

Armenian and maybe Assyrian I'd understand, but this is just a fucking meme mod.

>>15153431

Why not?

>>15151429

>>15151361

Do americanists have a holy order at the near beginning of the game?

Also, he had like 300 prestige or something like that. I ended up beating him by hiring mercs for a single battle to route his troops, before using the mercs to assault the enemy strongholds to avoid paying them monthly, and to get my money's worth. I got lucky when I managed to capture his heir and a few others.

>>15153693

Yeah, Americanists get the Men In Black pretty early. The next update of the fan fork changes them to a secret society (pretty much the same as the assassins in Vanilla), but right now, they're still a holy order.

>>15153484

Because the design philosophy behind HPM is not to just give out accepted cultures out like candy. It's not like EU4 where it's a dedicated game mechanic that is dynamic. You are stuck with your accepted cultures.

Now you gotta ask yourself. Would the citizens of that culture realistically hold up your country, you want them to be accepted in?

Now for a Byzantine Empire (I like to think of it just as a powerful Greece, I always just rename it Greek Empire, everything else is a larp). Armenians certainly could be loyal supporters of the Empire. And more importantly the Greeks would accept them. There is a dynamic going on.

But South Italians? No. Greeks wouldn't accept them, because they would be too numerous and could threaten the Greek Dominance in the Greek Empire.

And the South Italians would want to be their own thing, especially if there was an Italy in the game.

Bulgarians have a simillar problem, because the breakup of the Balkans happened.

A Greek Empire should have Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians as accepted. And christian Arabs, but you can't really do that without accepting muslim Arabs. Only in case you want to make them a seperate culture.

Oh and Assyrians should be Orthodox not Catholic. They are an Orthodox Church that only very recently for some reason decided to accept the Pope as the head of the Church again. They aren't really Catholic Catholic. It's an interesting quirk of history and imo their orthodox culture should trump the "well actually they are catholics" Autism.

Lastly maybe Georgians should be accepted too. But that is really all.

>>15153840

>for some reason decided to accept the Pope as the head of the Church again

Maybe they actually want to go to heaven?

>>15153921

If they wanted that, they wouldn't be Catholic.

>>15153840

Maronites should also be regarded as Orthodox by the same token, as they too have eastern aesthetics and clerical structure. They are Catholic, deal with it.

Also

>16th century

>"very recently"

No.

>>15153840

>Greek Empire

I can imagine the decision mentioning that it de-facto means relinquishing their claims on ERE. That could trigger an event for Russia that'd rename it to Eastern Roman Empire and give it a CB for conquering all roman clay and reforming Rome. Upon completion, you'd get the coronation event of the new ruler of the new Russo-Roman Empire – Augustus Nicholas Romanov.

>>15153840

>Oh and Assyrians should be Orthodox not Catholic

They never have been "orthodox" in the first place. They were Nestorians, unlike both the Orthodox and the Coptics.

Not all Assyrians are as of now Catholic, given that there was a schism from which the Assyrian church of the east emerged after the rest decided to accept the Pope as their head. Many belong to the Chaldean Catholic church, which operates in full Communion with the Catholics, but those that are part of the Assyrian church of the east maintained their Nestorian ways.

>>15153937

>>15153921

I don't know. I just don't like it aesthetically. The minor militancy penality bothers me. Also not all Assyrians are Catholics. A few still are Orthodox Orthodox.

Also it's more about religion anyway. Would an Italian Empire discriminate against these Catholic Assyrians for their way of worshipping?

Would an Orthodox Empire discriminate them?

Orthodoxy is already fucked in Victoria 2 and the real world tbh, because there are no cross-culture ties. If you are a Bulgarian, you are Bulgarian-Orthodox, and Russian Russian-Orthodox.

There are no Russians that would be bulgarian Orthodox or a Serb that would be Greek-Orthodox. It's a huge mess.

For that reason my opinion is that the Coptic religion should be removed and just made Orthodox, so the game logic stays consistent. Either that or make all the nestorian and other weird heresies their own shit too.

>>15153984

>A few still are Orthodox Orthodox.

See

>>15153983

>>15153975

kind of unrelated but was russia the only empire that really wanted to reform byzantium and help the greeks? because countries like britain and france helped the turks instead of the greeks

>>15153983

>>15153989

Oh, that's another thing. The Assyrians basically follow the typical Orthodox Christian thing of tying their ethnicity with a very certain religion.

If you decided to be Catholic, you wouldn't become Catholic of the Eastern Rite.

But wait? The Assyrian Church in Communian with the holy sea are actually Nestorians? I didn't realize that, because they obviously wouldn't put that on their wikipedia page in these obvious terms, but that makes sense.

How did they manage to solve the distinction between the human and divine natures of the divine person, Jesus with the Catholic Church?

Did they just accept Catholic Dogma?

>>15154028

>The Assyrian Church in Communian with the holy sea are actually Nestorians

The Assyrian church of the east is not in Communion with the Catholic church, which is why they are to this day Nestorian. The Chaldean Catholic church is not Nestorian.

>>15153999

Britain and France wanted to geopolitically keep Russia from aquiring warm water ports and an easy opening to the Ocean, the same way they also wanted to kill as many Germans as possible and create aryan blood refineries. They were succesfull. They cucked Russia wherever it went. Even in Persia.

But there was no "reform" Byzantium. The Greeks actually during their strive for national liberation had 2 different terms for themselves.

Hellene (Greek) and Rhomanoi (Roman, legacy word from when they still saw themselves as Roman Citizens, which survived after the fall of the Empire).

Now most Greeks still called themselves Rhomanoi, but during the struggle of National Liberation it became a shameful word for the docile Greeks, who were subjects of the Ottoman Empire. The Greek Independence Fighters heavily encouraged the use of Hellene as a source of Pride.

Additonally many Westerners were huge Fans of the Ancient Greeks and they also prefered the name Greek/Hellene for the Greeks, because it reminded them of the Ancient History. And that was just cool at the time. They didn't flip out and jerk themselves off over larping as Romans, because they weren't millenial boomers, who found out that someone has been keeping this AWESOME BASED Roman Empire from them all this time and post Byzantoboo Blobs on r/paradoxplaza.

They actually cared about values and what made the Ancient Greeks and Romans so great and not just "Based, they still thought of themselves as Romans in the legal tradition, even though they are in every other way incredibly different from the Romans".

What I meant to say is that they aren't faggots, anon.

>>15154045

>The Assyrian church of the east is not in Communion with the Catholic church, which is why they are to this day Nestorian. The Chaldean Catholic church is not Nestorian.

Stop name-autisming me. You know we are talking about Chaldean Catholic Church. Blablabla.

>>15154028

>Did they just accept Catholic Dogma?

Pretty much. There was a centuries long rivalry between the Traditionalist and pro-Catholic branches. It is quite complex, but I will try to explain it to the best of my ability.

The Catholics had sent missionaries to them as early as the 1500s, and a significant portion of the Assyrians consequently developed Catholic sympathies. They sent a delegation to Rome, and a Catholic Patriarch was thus appointed among them, initiating a schism. The relationship between the Catholic church and the Schismatic Catholic-appointed Chaldean Patriarchate was shaky and largely dependent upon individual Patriarchs, who severed and restored ties at will. This situation culminated in the Catholic-appointed patriarchate severing all ties to Rome while maintaining its independence from the traditionalist Patriarchate. The pro-Catholic factions reacted by seceding from it, eventually forming the Chaldean Catholic church with Papal approval. In the meantime, the traditionalist and formerly Catholic patriarchate coexisted until the former became vacant and its seat was claimed by the latter, forming the Assyrian church of the east.

>>15154067

The reason people love LARPing as BYZ and not "Greek empire" is because with "Greek empire" you conquer Asia Minor and you're done. Anything past that is blobbing. With BYZ, you're free to conquer all of mediterranean and western europe without blobbing.

>>15153800

I thought the MiB was a meme. I see them spawn and then about 2 years later they always get dismantled.

>>15154156

1 x Respectfully Disagree

Now can someone please post the full changelog of HFM, if you have access to the forum?

>>15154139

That is quite rare. You rarely see people just change religion like that.

I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that they hoped for western help to establish a christian state in the middle east.

It's a shame that the West became cucked, before they ever followed up on that.

Also these Eastern Christians in the middle East have a history of basically being cucks. I am not saying that to be mean, but they never ever succeded against the Muslims in the area. That has to instill some certain qualities into them.

>>15154067

>its the same guy butthurt towards the ERE again

Sure man, the eastern roman empire stoped being roman because reasons.

>>15154263

It gets even more complex when you add the saint thomas Christians, themselves Nestorians, into the equation. They would receive bishops from the church of the east, and each faction attempted to appoint its own bishop when the schism occurred. Both were blocked off by the Portuguese, in the end, who appointed a bishop under the kingdom of Portugal as dictated by the Padroado (treaty between the Vatican and the kingdom of Portugal which decreed that all churches within the Portuguese realm would fall under the administration of the king, and all bishops would be appointed by him, rather than the pope) instead.

>>15154263

>>15154821

A bishop did arrive, eventually, and the saint Thomas Christians experienced a traditionalist schism of their own, with most staying loyal to the Catholics.

>>15154821

How the fuck is Ottoman Territory part of the portuguese Realm?

Also keep in mind the state of the Assyrian Society that they would just accept Bishops of a different Denomination in the first place.

You wouldn't be able to do this with Protestant Germans for example.

Imo Eastern Christians are a humiliated people. I still don't know what excactly prevented christian states being made of the English and French colonies.

I guess they favoured geopolitical concerns over these matters. Better include the christians in our puppet state too, so we can play Alawites, Christians against the Sunnis, so they accept colonial rule.

It didn't work out. Syria used to be 25% christian and I think it's now 10% at best.

>>15155067

Saint Thomas Christians are Nestorian Indians, specifically from Goa and Kerala. They fell under the jurisdiction of the church of the east and received bishops from it through Persia.

>>15154315

Don't pretend like people don't have an argument. Also it's our proud traditions as western europeans, western christians and Germanics (or rapebabies of the Germanics) to not let the Greeks larp as Christians. I am saying this as someone, who still loves to play as Greece in every single game, but is sick of thise cringy reddit soyboy larping.

The Eastern Roman Empire stopped being Roman, when it lost most imperial possessions after 600 AD and just became a greek-speaking, orthodox Christian Rump State. Justinian was the last one who tried to restore it into a proper Roman Empire. After that it was just a Greek Empire.

Also after the Latin Crusade there definetly wasn't an "eastern Roman Empire" left. There were 3 successor states of the rump state of the Eastern Half of the Roman Empire. The Empire of Nicea also immideatly lost Anatolia after the stupid decision to just set its focus on the balkan side of their territory and strip all the wealth of Nicea to build up Constantinople again. It was a losing strategy.

In my opinion the true successor of the Eastern Roman Empire was the Orthodox Branch of the ORSINI family.

I love saying ORSINI, after watching the tv series Borgia. Man, that fat, corrupt Pope was awesome.

>>15155109

>but is sick of thise cringy reddit soyboy larping.

Anon what you are is an annoying autist.

Greeks are christians, the fact that they are not catholic doesnt means they arent christians.

>The Eastern Roman Empire stopped being Roman, when it lost most imperial possessions after 600 AD and just became a greek-speaking, orthodox Christian Rump State. Justinian was the last one who tried to restore it into a proper Roman Empire. After that it was just a Greek Empire.

You dense motherfucker.

The capital of the empire was constantinople for a long time before the WRE fell, the roman empire doesnt stops being empire because you want to larp as roman empire with the HRE.

>>15155083

>>15155067

If you've played CK2, you must have noticed that the island of Socotra, along with the indian province of Venad, are Nestorian. Saint Thomas was shipwrecked at Socotra on his way to India, at which point he spent some years converting the natives. The cave churches of Socotra, dating back to the time of Thomas the apostle, are still in existence, though its population was coerced into converting to Islam by Wahhabi missionaries in the 15th century. Thomas proceeded to Kerala, where a small population of Indian Jews resided. Those Jews formed the basis of what would later become the saint Thomas Christian community. They are a very intriguing group if you take the time to read into their history. They even had a minor kingdom at some point, and constructed churches with the outward appearance of Hindu temples. They were integrated into the caste system and were generally very privileged until the Portuguese forced them to abandon it and the privileges that came with it as part of a series of prohibitions imposed upon them to rid their practices of Hindu influences. The tomb of saint Thomas was discovered by the Portuguese in the west coast of India, where it is still found.

>>15155083

>>15155067

If you've played CK2, you must have noticed that the island of Socotra, along with the indian province of Venad, are Nestorian. Saint Thomas was shipwrecked at Socotra on his way to India, at which point he spent some years converting the natives. The cave churches of Socotra, dating back to the time of Thomas the apostle, are still in existence, though its population was coerced into converting to Islam by Wahhabi missionaries in the 15th century. Thomas proceeded to Kerala, where a small population of Indian Jews resided. Those Jews formed the basis of what would later become the saint Thomas Christian community. They are a very intriguing group if you take the time to learn of their history. They even had a minor kingdom at some point, and constructed churches with the outward appearance of Hindu temples. They were integrated into the caste system and were generally very privileged until the Portuguese forced them to abandon it and the privileges that came with it as part of a series of prohibitions imposed upon them to rid their practices of Hindu influences. The tomb of saint Thomas was discovered by the Portuguese in the west coast of India, where it is still found

>>15155082

STOP WATCHING PORN

>>15155123

>Greeks are christians, the fact that they are not catholic doesnt means they arent christians.

I never said they weren't Christians. That would be ridiculous. Their entire national identity historically came from Greek Orthodoxy. That went so far that they only declared that as marker of Greek Identity and threw Greek-Speaking Muslims under the bus for Turkic-Speaking Orthodox Christians.

>The capital of the empire was constantinople for a long time before the WRE fell, the roman empire doesnt stops being empire because you want to larp as roman empire with the HRE.

It was barely even Roman. It had Germanic armies. It let Germanics run their territory. Christians were running wild and destroying everything they seemed as a threat to the new Christian Order.

The Byzantine Empire tried to be the most Christian Empire in the truest sense of the Word. It had a very unique historical attitude toward Christianity as the PRIMARY marker of byzantine Identity.

It used mercenary armies, was very much on the defensive, wasn't a multicultural tolerant, but authortiarian Empire. Rather it tried to be as monocultural as possible, which pissed off most people, which is why they were only restricted to Greek-speaking Greek-Orthodox Territory.

They didn't have the martial prowess of Romans and a very different attitude towards war. There were no Total Wars fought with the Arabs about the destiny of the Middle East like Romans would have done it. They just hide in their Anatolian Mountains.

And lastly if you are a Westerner, we have a rich tradition of NOT calling them the Roman Empire and I intend to continue that tradition and honour it.

I hate people who think they love the Romans, but then just cream their pants, because "look, they call themselves Roman too, fucking ebin".

We love the Romans, because of ROMAN VALUES.

And the Byzantine Empire had completly different values than Rome.

>>15155173

The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. And yes, Byzantium was the Roman Empire, they saw themselves as Romans and for a very long time, certainly as long as they thought it was doable, they wanted to reconquer lost Roman territories.

>It was barely even Roman

More Roman than the HRE, or any other claimant for that matter.

>>15155158

I got something wrong. It wasn't Wahhabi missionaries, couldn't have been. Perhaps Salafis, I do not quite remember.

>>15155183

>more roman then u hans

>>15155173

>I never said they weren't Christians.

You fucking did.

>to not let the Greeks larp as Christians.

>It was barely even Roman

The roman empire is the roman empire.you cant say it isnt roman because time has passed.

> It had Germanic armies

Even the roman republic even used mercenaries.

> It let Germanics run their territory

Because at teh very end they couldnt efectivly garrison or run their territories, so it was either that or losing the territories with no taxes.

> Christians were running wild and destroying everything they seemed as a threat to the new Christian Order.

Of course, time passes and thigns change, or are you going to pretend that christianism was forced unto the roman empire instead of spreading because people actually prefered it?

>It used mercenary armies

As rome did always.

> was very much on the defensive

As rome did under several emperors that disliked blobbing and the troubles it brought.

Also, the byzantiens tried to reconquer their lands multiple times, but they were outnumbered on all sides.

>wasn't a multicultural tolerant

Depends on the culture and constantinople was a clear example.

>They didn't have the martial prowess of Romans

Yes they had on plenty of ocassions, they were also incompetent in many other times, just like the fucking roman empire.

>There were no Total Wars fought with the Arabs about the destiny of the Middle East like Romans would have done it

Did you miss the part where they were completely decimated after huge plagues, wars with persians and then the muslims popped out?

They were in the brink of ruin by the end of that period.

>They just hide in their Anatolian Mountains.

Thats why they fought in the levant, balkans and italy.

>And lastly if you are a Westerner, we have a rich tradition of NOT calling them the Roman Empire and I intend to continue that tradition and honour it.

Fuck you and your autism, im not going to repeat things that i consider to be completely wrong.

>I hate people who think they love the Romans, but then just cream their pants, because "look, they call themselves Roman too, fucking ebin".

Youre a fucking autist.

>>15155158

>>15155123

I made a really retarded error. It wasn't Wahhabi missionaries, couldn't have been given the time period. I do not quite recall which Islamic branch it was.

>>15155183

What is your Ethnicity?

>>15155219

>I have nothing to argue back with

>so I'll just try to fish for ad hominems

What a sad cuck you are.

>>15155235

That's the gist of it. The Byzantines saw themselves as Romans, and for a long time their contemporaries viewed them as such. There were even some form of protocol that needed to be observed in former Roman territories that usually involved the Byzantine emperor in some form.

The idea that Byzantium was a separate entity from Rome is a much more modern invention.

>>15155183

>The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.

It was holy. It was in control of the Papacy for most of it's time. Also it was Christian. That's a way to distinguish themselves from the Ancient Romans. Because they weren't larpers.

>roman

It was of course not Roman, but it was a legal tradition they reclaimed through might & the best legal way they had access to. Also it was more manly than the Byzantine Empire, because they used the precedent that they had a female Empress to delegitimize them and crown Charlemagne as the Emperor.

>Empire

It was in its earlier years more centralized than even France. It really only became a huge mess after multiple Emperors managed to not have a stable succession again and again. IIRC it happened six times and each time the nobles voted for candidates, who would give them more and more concessions. After that it was just fucked permanently. If not then it happened with Protestantism. There was no way to recover after that.

What is your Ethnicity? Why are you worshipping the Greeks so much?

>>15155209

>You fucking did.

Whoops. A brain fart. I of course meant Romans, not Christians.

The Byzantines valued Christianity higher than everything else. It was the dominating social and political force in their Empire.

>The roman empire is the roman empire.you cant say it isnt roman because time has passed.

I listed many different reasons. None of them were "time".

>Even the roman republic even used mercenaries.

But all their miltiary might came from middle class soldiers, which is the number one reason why Rome was fucking awesome.

>Because at teh very end they couldnt efectivly garrison or run their territories, so it was either that or losing the territories with no taxes.

I know. But at that point they were just Degenerates far past their Golden Age.

>Of course, time passes and thigns change, or are you going to pretend that christianism was forced unto the roman empire instead of spreading because people actually prefered it?

Why can't it be both? Because it was both.

>As rome did always.

Did they use mercenaries, when Hannibal destroyed the entire army of the Roman Empire and killed their Consuls, when they recruited another few Legions and elected new Consuls?

Did they use mercenaries, when they reverse-engineered Carthagen Ships and built Thousands of them, put their men on them and went from a purely Land Power to the second most powerful Naval Empire in the Mediterranean?

Did they, anon?`

>As rome did under several emperors that disliked blobbing and the troubles it brought.

At that point they were already degenerate. They were still riding out the Pax Romana, but they didn't have the values in them that made Rome great.

>Also, the byzantiens tried to reconquer their lands multiple times, but they were outnumbered on all sides.

They didn't really try. If they were true Romans than every single Emperor would be elected by how much of a radical Jingoist he was, untill they started to have some sucess in reconquering their territories. But that wasn't really a very important political demand that the people had. In fact you can't even look up and find any sort extreme, radical reconquest ideology in the Byzantine Empire.

It was always just an inward focus and about Christianity. "Did the Muslims win, because they don't like Idols. Maybe we should start smashing our history and culture and destroy our past?"

>Did you miss the part where they were completely decimated after huge plagues, wars with persians and then the muslims popped out?

I know. The loss of high food producing regions and the start of Muslim Piracy was a fucking disaster for them and all of Europe. It was one fo the greatest geopoltical catastrophes of all time.

Imo that is one of the most undervalued explainations for why Europe had a Dark Age.

>Thats why they fought in the levant, balkans and italy.

Did they ever try to reconquer Egypt? Also they were hated in Italy and could only hold territory in Magna Graecia. Everyone else hated their guts with a passion.

>Fuck you and your autism, im not going to repeat things that i consider to be completely wrong.

WHAT IS YOUR ETHNICITY?

>Youre a fucking autist, byzantines kept roman laws and plenty of things from the old days of the empire while the rest of europe was fractured, they dont stop being roman just because the pope feels liek kissing charlemagne's ass.

Yeah, they kept the degenerate piece of shit laws that made Rome into a degenerate pile of garbage, which most CONTEMPORARIES made happy as fuck, when it was over, because they described it as a Nightmare without end.

if your like Rome, why then should you like the degenerate Rump State that never tried to reconquer Egypt?

>>15155260

Yeah, because WE called them Greeks.

Why should I stop that tradition? Greek Greek Greek.

>>15155295

>Why should I stop that tradition?

>why shouldnt i keep repeating things that are wrong and were only used as propaganda on its time?

Youre autistic.

>I listed many different reasons. None of them were "time".

But they are, time passes and things change, the roman empire of the 2nd century was also very different from the early roman republic, yet its still rome, youre autistic.

>But all their miltiary might came from middle class soldiers

No, it came from citizens, a citizen could be of any class and would end up in the census.

>But at that point they were just Degenerates far past their Golden Age.

Anon, romans of that point were much more family oriented and what you would consider to be good than the romans of the empire and late republic, you have no fucking idea what youre talking about.

>Why can't it be both? Because it was both.

Because you cant convert the majority of the population by force, your empire would collapse on itself and constantine's head would end up in a stick instead of being emperor.

>Did they use mercenaries, when Hannibal destroyed the entire army of the Roman Empire and killed their Consuls, when they recruited another few Legions and elected new Consuls?

Yes, the part of the roman amry that was figthing the cartheginians in hispania, you ignorant fuck.

>At that point they were already degenerate

You absolute moron, that happened multiple time through their history, both as a republic and empire, they didnt expand constantly for the sake of expanding, they expanded on opportunity and when there was something to gain.

>They didn't really try.

Youre fucking autistic and have an idealized version of rome that didnt actually exist.

>Did they ever try to reconquer Egypt?

How the fuck would you reconquer egypt when syria is in muslims hands?

You cant actually protect your gains in egypt if you have no land connection, and they did try to reconquer the levant multiple times.

>WHAT IS YOUR ETHNICITY?

YOURE FUCKIGN AUTISTIC, THAT IS NOT A FUCKING ARGUMENT.

And im a spaniard.

>Yeah, they kept the degenerate piece of shit laws that made Rome into a degenerate pile of garbage

You know nothing of rome if you think their laws were something bad and not the thing they were the most proud of.

>if your like Rome, why then should you like the degenerate Rump State that never tried to reconquer Egypt?

Real life isnt hoi4 you absolute idiot.

>>15155325

All the western texts called them Greeks, fam. It's our tradition to call them Greeks.

>>15155331

>And im a spaniard.

Then why do you just give the Greeks that immense privilege to be the "true Romans"?

So many Roman Soldiers actually settled in Spain. Spain is the most badass Latin country.

>>15155344

>Then why do you just give the Greeks that immense privilege to be the "true Romans"?

Because they are actual romans.

They are the part of the empire that survived, hell, they even reconquered part of spain for a time.

The fact that you think that ethnicity should dictate your way of thinking when something is absolutely stupid and wrong when you actually analyze it shows me that you have some deep autism.

>>15155344

>All the western texts called them Greeks

No, they fucking didn't you absolute retard. When official letters were sent to the Byzantines they were addressed to the Roman emperor.

>>15155357

>They are the part of the empire that survived, hell, they even reconquered part of spain for a time.

that was MORE than a millenia ago

Might as well larp as a Visigoth and tell me that you are a German. You know, because a tiny part of Visigothic Spain survived and eventually reconquered Hispania.

>>15155365

Yeah back when they needed to be polite, when they still had a hold over the Papacy and Italy. Later they didn't.

>>15155372

>Yeah back when they needed to be polite, when they still had a hold over the Papacy and Italy. Later they didn't.

Good job moving the goalpost you fucking subhuman. Guess you're not even a Hans, more likely you're some butthurt Turk cockroach.

>>15155372

>that was MORE than a millenia ago

Why the fuck woud you disregard my entire argument and only focus on the last part that is just supposed to be a bit of aditional information?

Are you mentally ill?

>because a tiny part of Visigothic Spain survived and eventually reconquered Hispania.

No because thats factually wrong, the ones that were left were the galicians and basques, the only people that were visigothic in spain were the ruling class.

>>15155378

Mate. Empires change. You said it yourself. They didn't call them Roman Emperors, when they barely were in control of Greece.

>>15155387

>ou said it yourself.

No, I didn't, that was the other anon. Try to keep up Ahmed.

>They didn't call them Roman Emperors, when they barely were in control of Greece.

That's not what you said. You specifically mentioned that all Western texts called them Greeks. When pointed out you're an ignorant cretin you moved the goalpost.

Go drink bleach.

>>15155397

>That's not what you said. You specifically mentioned that all Western texts called them Greeks. When pointed out you're an ignorant cretin you moved the goalpost.

I also said that they truly stopped being the Roman Empire, when they lost most of their territory.

Obviously the West would still call them Roman, when they had Italy, control of the Papacy and other territories.

>>15155412

I'm not sure it matters what a commoner thinks about the continuation of the Roman Empire, there isn't one drop of noble blood in this entire thread and that includes you

>>15155520

But the Wittelsbacher are a bavarian noble house.

But my heart is Prussian.

>>15155528

It's not Autism, when you are German. It's a healthy sense of Ordnung.

Btw I just want to say I don't hate the Greeks. I actually love them. I wish I could learn more abou the post Independence Era. There is so little of it in English.

But I still call out extreme larping like wanting to recreate Byzantium in the 19th century.

>>15155563

Are you the guy who got mad when I posted my YUGE Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in vicky2? The one who called me out for expelling the kr*uts from the eastern bank of the Oder-Neisse?

>>15155656

No, I just don't want to think about this kind of stuff, because it makes me too sad.

Especially right now when it was revlealed that Gorbatchov actually offered Germany to sell them Eastern Prussia back, but they rejected it and our faggot foreign Minister Genscher even said he wouldn't even take it, if it was offered for free.

I am fine with Poland keeping their territory and it staying in Poland as long as they give back the property to Germans or at the very least ALLOW them to buy it back with their own fucking money.

And allow them to live in it. Idk if you know this, but it's actually illegal to buy property in Poland and live in it. It's crazy.

These kind of laws are just to bully Vertriebene.

Also at least give back the abandoned houses. I was in Poland and there were so many abandoned buildings.

Just give them fucking back. It's a win-win. The Germans will build them up to be pretty again. They have some houses and the Poles have a better country.

Oh and we should be in some kind of political Union or Alliance. The EU is corrupt, but we should be together under some kind of system. And that isn't just being cucks to the US.

But I am fine with Poles being alive, which means I am not a radical German.

>>15155687

Imagine Polans let the expelees in, they start doing the same shit they did with Germany: Fill it with t*rks and other kids of middle eastern scum.

>>15155707

The saddest words of tongue and pen:

It might have been.

>>15155721

Germans hate Vertriebene. They would call them Nazis, if they didn't want to just sweep them under the rug and not talk about them so much.

Der Bund der Vertriebene ist a poltiical organization that was relatively powerful historically in the BRD. Erika Steinbach is one of the most public figures from the Bund der Vertriebene and she rustles many jimmies in the CDU (merkel party) by supporting the AfD.

The Vertriebene are conservative. They are the real Conservatives.

Same Reasons many liberal lefty Germans hate Russian Germans. I was legit angry, when some faggot talk show host talked about how they should be integrating better into the degenerate western culture. "Why aren't you guys integrating?"

In reference to their conservatism.

They sincerely have no empathy that the Russian Germans are completly disgusted with the current state of cultural marxism in Germany.

It's just too fucked to talk about. Let's go back to issues that don't affect my country.

>>15155749

>tfw your country goes from autistic superpower to be the kike's little plaything TWICE in less than a hundred years.

You must pay for your crimes, goy. But seriously, you guys got fucked up real bad, I've got empathy for the non-cucked Germans.

At least you guys didn't have to deal with t*rks and their rapebabies for 500 years, setting your cultural progress back a few hundred years. Keep those animals in check before it's too late

>>15155921

I mean you've only been dealing with them for a few decades. Imagine dealing with that bullshit ever since those fuckers popped up in Anatolia back in the middle ages.

>>15155929

Well, they tried to conquer Vienna a few times.

And now we basically have the same immigration and economic policy they had to enforce in the Balkans through war.

It's objectivally insane.

I know HOI4 is trash but the patch notes for the next update have reached new heights of idiocy.

>if Britain goes with the BUF, they can't ally with Germany and are instead against it

>if Britain puts Edward VIII in power and he makes a cabinet led by Lloyd George, Churchill, and Moseley, it can ally Germany by focus

So basically to ally with Germany they have to have FUCKING WINSTON CHURCHILL in charge but if they go explicitly fascist they can't ally with Germany. What. I get that it's alt history but at that point Paradox is outright pushing a common semitic myth, that Churchill was anti-Nazi and not anti-German when in reality the man hated Germany and Germans, and didn't give a rat's ass what their ideology was as long as they were crushed.

In vicky2 I've noticed the PLC gets a LOT of German rebels all the fucking time, should I make a decision to expel them from the PLC? Already making one to negate the partition of Polans by removing all Kraut, Austrian and Russian cores.

>>15159599

>Already making one to negate the partition of Polans by removing all Kraut, Austrian and Russian cores.

That seems retarded tbh, there's no way Russia would agree to it.

>>15160241

EXTREME INFAMY.

I don't know man I just wanna get rid of all those Germans somehow, removing their cores might help them 'integrate' somehow.

>>15160389

I think the best thing to do would be that if the PLC is formed, the Germans, Austro-Hungarians, Russians, and maybe the Swedes all band together in alliances with each other and go to war to dismantle it and put the judeo-poles in their place.

>>15155687

>Just give them fucking back. It's a win-win.

Nobody east of Germany will give you fucking krauts a damn thing after your minority in other countries acted as the fucking fifth column that acted to destroy the country they resided in in favour of the Reich. If your deported brethren need property that much, fix up your shit and deport all the turkroaches, taking their property

>>15161375

>actually got banned for this

WEW

At least it was just for an hour, but still.

>>15161391

I'm not Polish, though. I'm Czech.

>>15161375

>being this much of a jew shill

Oh wow so this is an actual pole we're dealing with here. Hate to break it to you but nobody's going to intervene on your behalf when Germany and Russia team up again to partition the lands your made-up country is inhabiting.

>>15161025

Why are you so butthurt, kr*ut?

>>15163210

I'm not German; nobody in the world likes your shitty kiked people tbh.

>>15163281

t. pidorashka

>>15163318

This is an English website, we don't speak your guttural hebrew tongue here.