/v/ - Video Games

Colonial Marines is the best SS13 fork

>>15062838

CM is garbage man, shit requires like 30 peeps minimum anyways for it to be remotely fun and even then it's the same thing every round.

post replays

>>15062848

better than /tg/stations metafriend circlejerking and complete lack of roleplay

>>15062808

>I just want some company to play it with

There's going to be a gamenight in like 2-3 weeks.

>>15062916

That's thanks to the administration, not the codebase itself. Plus CM doesn't allow the kind of autism regular ss13 does.

>>15062916

>metafriend circlejerking

This is completely unavoidable without forcing random names every round and keeping the hair colors without the realm of reason (black, red, brown, blonde, gray only). If you're identifiable, metafriends ensue. If you're not, the metafriends take it to an outside chat, which the admin team does not tolerate outside of themselves and the coderbus.

I miss when TLE was running the show.

>>15063387

>… hair colors without the realm of reason …

Within, rather. Fuck.

>>15063387

There's another way to combat meta-friends: enforce FUN and penalize faggotry.

No bans: turn no-fun faggots into cows or CLWN and other assorted admin abuse while letting people doing fun shit do their thang.

I'm not even kidding: I'd take meta-friends doing their shit and talking in outside chats if they did something FUN. Sure beats "hey, ded in sec, clone me pls" murderfests.

>>15062916

apophis is literally a stolenvalorfag and when people complain about the administration on CM on the plebbit for ss13 his entire staff is made to rail against them. the admins bwoink you for things not even listed under the rules on any community page or announcement, and they continue to do stupid shit to enforce MUH ARRR PEEE such as field hospitals no longer being allowed due to "it not being sterile" even when you have one custom built and keep yourself sterile.

>>15063561

Failure to specify on my part, terribly sorry. I was talking about how it was completely unavoidable on /tg/station.

>>15062808

>>15062916

/tg/station's codebase is too good for their users.

>>15063827

>not sterile

lmao

>>15062808

The DBZ serv is sucking up our potential BYOND userbase.

>>15066607

By all means.

I am going to try this out tomorrow.

>>15066725

Alright. Give me a codebase. I'll use whatever.

If you niggers can't decide, I'll go back to pizzacode.

>>15066758

Okay. Link it. I'll do vorecode :^)

>>15066753

>>15066758

>>15066767

Wasn't the last server using some weird overhauled Russian code?

>>15066778

Yes. I remember still trying to discover most of it while hosting. It doesn't help the limited playerbase though, but you get what you get.

>>15066844

Alright. I'll put up a server with vorecode on as a joke for a couple of days, then kill it. Give me a hour at most.

>>15066859

I do not understand the joke.

>>15066888

I just posted the first ss13 related picture I found on my folder

>>15066984

>>15067101

/tg/'s "streamlines" can be easily done because of how documented git is. We were on the way to editing a /tg/ codebase with our features under gitgud until everyone ditched because they were mad about the codebase swap.

>>15066646

Have you seen the people that play that game? I don't want them on an actual ss13 serb. Better they stay happy on DBZ and we stay happy they're on DBZ.

>>15068602

You can try killing atmos to cause a slow death. remove all oxygen input and replace it with CO2, or nitrogen since CO2 gets scrubbed. If they're all in one room they'll collectively deplete the oxygen in there and even if you don't kill them, you'll force them out and make them grumpy. if you're not a retard you can do it in a way that doesn't leave an obvious log like not interacting with the obvious valves/consoles. Or you can remove/delete valves after messing with them.

>>15068602

>>15068623

Also starting massive fires is a good way to make a part of the station uninhabitable and likewise is hard to detect if you cover your tracks. Stuff like making and detonating bombs get logged and that's how they know who did it. Typically, in order to tell who does what they need to either…

<1. See it happen

<2. See the interact history of an object

<3. See the interact history of a player, related to previous

Or look at specifically logged actions for certain things, like explosions.

>>15068639

Oh and there's also a general action log but thats for every single thing that happens and usually is only good for looking at immediate cause > effect.

Russian spaceship codebase was a best. I enjoyed very much being slav engineer. The only problems really were:

>No speech mods for guild merchants to add in oy veys, shalloms, and kvetching to their regular speech.

>No german language for the medical staff which is at least half english.

>Medical is mostly futile since your patient will absolutely die and there's nothing you can actually do about that.

>>15068623

>You can try killing atmos to cause a slow death. remove all oxygen input and replace it with CO2, or nitrogen since CO2 gets scrubbed

Pure oxygen replacement is better. The nitrogen in the air doesn't catch fire, no matter how hot it gets, and won't allow oxygen to catch when someone lights a cigarette. Given the amount of roleplayers these people seem to be infested with, someone will eventually do it for you.

Chill the air a bit, to about 4-5 degrees Celsius and it also adds more moles of oxygen per tile, allowing for more burntime when it actually does catch.

>>15068939

Will it catch fire when it's that cold? I might be interested in doing some atmosabotage- Sound fun.

How does vorestation get it's power? If they use a TEG one could always screw up the mixture and have the excuse that "I'm bad lmao but I'm trying to learn you know"

>>15069009

Messing with the power is also an easy way to get caught; just about everything that could affect the generator, such as messing with emitters, has its own special logged action.

>>15066984

Seconding the /tg/ codebase request.

It's casul shit now, and half the "complicated" content was removed/reworked for people born with only 3 chromossomes.

BUT, it has a ton of content pizza didn't have. I can deal with casul mode if it means new toys to fuck around.

>>15069018

So what exactly, in list form, does not get logged?

>>15069052

Kinda agree here, it actually does have quite a bit of content i'd like to check out

>>15066984 seconded

>>15068255

i thought everyone was mad because during the swap the codebase was buggy and laggy which threw players off

>>15069052

>>15069328

>>15066984

thirded

Alright I am ready what's the server?

>>15069585

P station is still up I think

192.223.31.204:7787

>>15063105

Who made that walling?

>>15063387

The problem is TGstation is now goon/reddit/SJW land.

I want to play this more.

Tried out cuck/vg/ server recently on a whim because a streamer was crying about being banned for streaming the game which is metagaming, apparently.

The pop count feels huge in comparison to anything we ever got, and they were calling it lowpop, but most of them were faggot metashitters that couldn't rp to save their lives. I guess you don't get one without the other.

>>15070886

I think the old pick 2 was:

>Quality codebase

>Good RP

>High population

>>15070886

Feels like such a hipster-faggot thing to say, but /tg/ and /vg/ are too popular for their own good now. You just can't compete when more than half the server wants to play an autistic version of cops n' robbers.

>>15071024

That's why we'd be better off just ripping either codebase and use it here on an 8/v/ server. We'd get 'decent' code with plenty of shit to play with and few enough people to make it fun for the whole family.

>>15070536

tbh it's been down for a couple months but I put it back up today on a whim after getting d2 to work again

>>15071042

TG code is irredeemable at this point. /vg/ might be still worth using if you can get over the fact that it's bay.

>>15071047

Never had any issue with /vg/ baycode myself, though I do agree /tg/ is a lot more casualized and reddit-tier. I just wanna play some spess without said redditors or furries.

>>15067313

>>15068602

>blowing up Citadel

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=jaeYKLd-1Vw

which server niggers

i wanna gas the vorefurs

>>15071155

or better yet

use one of those fat peices of shit as my personal jew oven

oy vey

>>15071178

nobody made a thread

>>15070810

Apparently byond has been ""capable"" of doing so for a long time. Mport was teasing one test day ago, but never turned it on for the server.

on one hand i want a real SS13 sitcom

on the other hand i dont want it to be ruined by sjwshit when we start hitting the dark humor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvpZTmdaF9I

>>15067101

I'm waiting, serberanon. When are you going to bring the horror?

>>15070827

Well, contrary to popular belief, it was always that. Back before TLE was running the server, we were playing on the goonservers. No matter what anyone tells you, fa/tg/uys are incredibly incapable of blending in, no matter where they go.

Suffice to say, when we got our own server, they lent us a couple of coders to help us along. The singulo engine was more or less a bribe from Mport to take Uhangi off of the goonstation server and onto the /tg/station servers, and a few other little code updates came from him as we realized what a fuckup that dude was.

https://pastebin.com/sNVzqhbm

>>15068602

Make a virus in medical, then disassemble or space the viral computer.

>>15069158

Everything gets logged, just that certain actions have special alerts tagged to them. Wrenching stuff and laying/cutting wires doesn't usually generate an alert, turning on or off the EMS or emitters do, and explosions have an alert for the explosion size and the location it happened at. Even if certain actions don't generate an alert, they can still find out who did what by looking at an object's history, such as if you open a canister of gas, they can look at who interacted with the canister last and how. Pulling an object goes into its history, but pushing it curiously does not. If you want to see for yourself how this stuff works, you can run a test server; that's how I learned this stuff.

>>15073642

>simple OpenGL version

Are you retarded? There's nothing simple about syncing such autistic simulation amongst so many people. Doing it in OpenGL would necessitate building a large amount of code to support the rendering as well as all the other shit that needs to be tied in. I'm not defending the Unity attempt, but it is a tall fucking order to clone SS13 and taking away the support of a game framework does not make it easier or simpler

>>15073654

I meany simple as in small-scale, not that the development itseld would be simple.

All of the "game frameworks" are fucking shit.

>>15073679

Not using a game framework means writing at least some of the code that the framework would handle; if you did it in OpenGL it would necessitate writing your own sprite engine. Not that that is unreasonable, but it is another component that would take dev time on top of just cloning the game. What really needs to be done is a re-implementation of the BYOND engine so that anything made in it can be run in a sane environment

Would SS13 work, but on a sidescroller perspective?

Just imagine something something like Metroid or wathnot, but it's a spacestation.

The design ends up being more vertical than what not, but it would be pretty cool to head to the lower levels of the station, open an hatch and drop-pod onto a planet bellow.

>>15073774

>SS13 but…

Its all been tried and every project has failed to produce results.

>>15072407

Fall it fag disease.

>>15073789

I'm thinking about subnautica specifically. That game looked great (with some ass controls) and I was just musinc about a vertical spacestation.

>>15073816

And where is it now? Hasn't it been indev for at least a year?

I haven't played this shit in years. What's this server like? Most of the servers since around 2013 have been no fun allowed autism rp. Would I have fun on this server if I'm someone miss the days of quick choking? Is the server full of faggot who cry about powergaming as if it's a bad thing?

>>15073774

It's called Barotrauma

>>15073830

Not many people on pizza besides me and the occasional guy every now and then. It's pretty cool I guess. Still playing if you want to check it out

I'm probably already banned.

>months go along

>witness to OC

>witness to threads

<oh there's a dickhoard too

I just end up bullying the living shit out of admins for being and allowing such faggotry. Even the bunker stations. I can understand why people leave entertainment, all this faggotry and coddling of supposed stars. I love to wait until they deadmin and get bwoinked while I am IC OK to be stabbing them in the eyes.

Make sure to ban me from wizard, revolution, syndicate, traitor, xeno and Cargo.

>>15074004

>getting bwoinked for random killing

>badmins

>>15074030

Don't. Honestly, don't.

And to the admin that bwoinked him: don't either.

Just ban and ignore. Trust me.

>>15069337

That and it was also done without any notification that the codebase was changing. It just changed overnight and then the admin team bitched at the players who rightly complained about it.

>>15074069

This is true but please remember gitgud was a living "I have autism please be patient" meme. He still posts on /tech/ and unironically recommended I install gentoo

>>15074030

I do it because of badmins. Everywhere. It's a little thing called profiling. I take them all in time. All while taking the piss out of whoever is watching. That is how I do, and your little faggot thing will end up no different in time.

It takes only months. You could attempt to profile me, but good luck at that. Doubt I'll even show up in the action report. Until. I grease every last cunt and bully whatever animal is active to bwoink me. I don't live for it, it is just the nature of e v e r y station.

These threads sure are a salty autist magnet

>>15074441

every single one of your posts so far sounds like the ss13 version of coldsteel

but please keep going

If we end up with /tg/station code, can we please re-implement the Telecomms and NTSC consoles? I used to have a lot of fun scripting simple chat bots with that stuff, but I believe they ended up axing it because "the grief potential was too high."

>>15074458

Sure it does, and not that I am the one who put the rod through multiple public station's deaths. The only thing propping up the others are dickhoard and furfags.

>>15074467

They removed them because someone actually coded a fucking bitcoin miner in the NTSC console and it lagged the server out although I agree they were really fun and I wish they were back

It's going to die, because the regulars will get tired of your faggotry. The others are populated by said faggots.

I may have more history with SS13 than board life. You've leafed through my books, you've watched my sprites bone you. The Wizard Federation reigns supreme.

>>15074467

Telecomms would be an awesome addition, always enjoyed fucking with them to make everyone's names Anonymous over general and watch as chaos ensues over radio.

>>15074496

Ah, that sounds like fun. When is that station coming up?

>>15074539

>NTSL script has no access to the outside world

There's a few plugins and tools for SS13 that require external services. For database for instance, some java shit for interfaces, and for NTSL, parsing the code. It doesn't really "compile" like a normal language, but it does something similar, and you can use that to inject code that will then be compiled and run on the server. Then you do that 30 times and the server dies to lag.

>>15074552

>figured out

How new are you, budy?

>>15074552

Never underestimate the juden, anon.

>>15074552

>Used it for a fucking bitcoin miner, instead of anything actually useful

It IS usefull. For him anyway.

>>15074654

It lagged out the server and was discovered. At most, he got twenty-four hours of a server's time before one of the codemonkeys realized that the NTSL was what was causing the lag, if not why it was doing that, and disabled it. It was pointless.

>>15074654

>>15074665

Aren't scripts purged at the end of a round? Must've been some real sorcery to inject something like that into the server database.

>>15074880

It was probably something he kept injecting, round after round, provided it actually happened at all. The /tg/station people aren't all mastermind coders or anything, but I have a hard time believing that input somehow managed to escape containment and begin running a bitcoin miner.

>>15074894

Ah, here we go. In-game admin denies that anyone managed to script a bitcoin miner, confirms that it was just recursive scripting that would bring the server to its knees.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1826&p=357151&hilit=bitcoin#p357151

>>15075021

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/32195

Whoa.

That's one way to cover hosting costs.

>>15075057

>Prove a negative

I'm not saying it's ironclad, I'm just saying that the admin team seems to be under the impression that it didn't happen and no one seems to have a copy of the alleged script that was written to accomplish this feat anywhere on the Internet. Plus, putting in a handful of recursive scripts could easily slow down the server and would be a great reason to axe the Telecomms features.

Hell, you could bring it to a stop with two functions that call each other and increment a variable every time a message is broadcast over the radio.

>>15074665

>>15074880

>>15074894

Injections work like this:

>write malicious code in input box

>malicious code ins't purged of potential escape characters

>it's interpreted and executed

>malicious code copies and registers itself so it's run everytime you reboot

>malicious code can also schedule downloading anything you want from a website you control, including malware

NTSL might not even be THE malware itself.

A common thing to do back in the 90's was to cross-site script yourself a bit of code that would download and install a trojan on the host computer. The code you typed in an input box wasn't the virus itself, it was a simple script forcing the server to infect itself.

>>15075021

fucking jews

What serb do you usually play on?

I play on pomf /vg/station for the vanilla experience.

>>15072289

I am only as old as scaredy's administration, so I don't know any about that. I am just saying they had openly furries badmining and such.

>>15076123

What'd you do to get banned from /vg/?

I can get why from /tg/, they got mad for the name Mengele as a CMO so they're autistic.

>>15076185

Filled arrivals with plasma and blew it up.

>>15076214

But why?

>>15076185

>>15076214

I remember when I played priest. I think I converted the janitor. We stole the plasma and oxygen miners and put them in arrivals.

Granted, that was on our station. We never would have gotten away with if there was an AI.

>>15076286

>>15076282

Yeah but isn't this also against the rules on the 8servers?

Or is shit like this allowed if funny?

>>15076303

The rule of thumb is that if it's funny, or at least done in good fun, it's fine

There are no absolute strict rules because we're not faggots

Mundane explosions, uncreatively ruining rounds, murderboning and such are not funny.

>>15076325

Thank the Lord.

I thought these serbs had the same strict stalinist rules as the /*g/ serbers.

>>15076325

This.

I personally am half the cause for 2skeleton, but I'm pretty sure we got the cuban pete greentext out of that one if I'm not mistaken.

>>15076185

/tg/ gets angry and smallest shit. I got a fucking warning from the admins because I saw a rev flash a dude literally 10 seconds into the round like a retard and I screamed for help over the radio because I was CMO who was about to get ganked by some revs.

>>15076214

>>15076123

>acts like a shitter by nonantag bombing

>get banned

It's a cuckchan server but it's the least pozzed server out there seeing as you don't get banned for saying nigger or faggot and aren't forced into RP why the fuck would anyone want you on an 8chan server? do you think somehow it would be any different? like shittery is somehow tolerated here?

I mean /vg/, /tg/ is absolute furfaggotry and attention whores

>>15076395

What did they scold you for? Outing one of the head revs too early or something?

>>15076395

>>15076635

shoulda called em a faggot but in a reasonable persuasive way and not a salty mad way. If something like that happened to me i wouldn't want to keep playing there anyhow.

>still no serb.

>>15076635

I was called out for fucking nothing. There is no rule against calling out Headrevs early if you find them. I did tell him that it was pretty fucking shitty to warn someone over that. He told me to that doing what I did was not allowed and that I should have said flashing in the medbay instead of screaming revs. Its like he thought tg was some High RP bullshit.

>>15077096

sent to your byond inbox

Actually, I remember the time I went full stealth wizard and completed all my objectives without anybody noticing.

I got bwoinked by the admin for basically turning the round into extended.

>another thread at 150 posts and no server

Why don't we just get an agdgfag to make a clone of it? Can't be that hard

>>15076618

You can play on it right now friend, it's just fucking dead.

Just got banned from a public server for saying "nigger" jesus man what is this world

>>15078123

>just like, make game xdxd

>>15078219

You don't know real butthurt until you start ligger lynchings as the AI because lizards are not considered humans.

>>15077098

I am pretty sure there is, go read the extended rules page. It's metagaming. It's still a stupid restriction because in game there are no RP rules for civilians carrying security equipment, so it's accepted that any random chucklefuck can be using a Flash on another person, but then you can't assume it's a revolutionary because the admins will ban you.

>>15078123

>>15078290

It's really easy to host a byond server.

>>15078339

NT staff can be expected to know some of the shit they'll be facing off against. In fact, you could easily equate your knowledge with character knowledge. (Eg you should know the Syndicate exists)

Of course the station is in CODE RED at round start and it even gives a list of possible round types to the captains printoff and I'm fairly certain heads can access this too. Even then, coolly roleplaying it out IC would solve the problem.

Tldr: hothead admin tried to ban anon on a med rp server for something that could be handled IC on high rp

>>15078339

That's weird, on /vg/ it explicitly states that it is assumed that one would know what a revolutionary or cult or traitor is, why isn't it the same for /tg/?

>>15078339

>>15078404

/vg/ is higher RP. In-universe, you're supposed to know about the revs and while you don't know what the cult of nar-sie is specifically you are warned about subversive religious organizations and there are warnings. Revs and Traitors are part of the Syndicate which is known IC. Whether you know getting flashed/flashing makes you a rev is another story.

>>15078404

>>15078484

same shit for /tg/, you are allowed to know what every antag is, the only exception is Nightmares I believe.

>>15078988

Not much of a surprise, we only have four players, and none of them play at the same time.

>nobody ever hosts interbay on english language servers

This is suffering. Interbay is what Lifeweb is based on and definitely one of the most advanced codebases.

>>15079103

Is that the weird russian codebase we had?

Can someone post a pastebin on how to host a serb? Gonna see if I can host a /vg/ server without fucking it up

>>15079190

BYOND's dream daemon does most of the work. It works like this: get a codebase, compile it from the .dme, launch server with Dream Daemon. You'll probably want to edit your own username into the admins.txt if you plan on doing anything though.

>>15077852

The problem is this community is really shitty when it comes to treating the admins with any understanding, and since most of us are autists there's also a lack of communication between admins and players which eventually leads to more salt.

Nobody wants to create a server because they know out of the 18 people that might join 8 will eventually have a reason to ABSOLUTELY HATE something that happened and shitpost and ruin it for everyone else until they see it burn.

I can give an example.

>played SS13 a year ago on a 8ch serb

>was geneticist

>did some BLM gag that ended in me turning sec into monkey

>at some point I needed capts ID to get the monkey back to turn him into human

>find dead capt

>go to clone him

>take his ID

>power fails and cryo is fucked so I do ghetto cryo in a shower

>give him a new ID and keep the capts ID tell him i'll give it back when I find the monkey

>he proceeds to beat me even though I'm fully armed and he doesn't have shit

>I kill him

>clone him again with some backup batteries I had lying around and off to the ghetto cryo he goes again

>same thing attacks me for his ID

>this time I kill him and not bringing him back

>go look for monkey

>At this time admin boinks me probably getting whines from both the capt and the monkey

>tells me I did really bad shit and he could see the logs

>proceeds to give me a 2 week ban

>After talking to him he realizes 90% of those log messages were me injecting the capt in the ghetto cryo

>removes 2 week ban but not wanting to outright let it fly since I was a meanie gives me a 1 week job ban on 1 job

I didn't like I don't think I should have gotten boinked even but I take it and still played that week without giving 2 fucks. But other members that i've seen on 8ch servers, a situation like this would have caused a massive sperg and they would shittalk the admin on every thread for the end of times grief when admins were offline and keep complaining admins are stupid for 1 mistake.

That's the problem, people here get buttmad at the smallest slight and then are vindictive until the server burns and the community is in dissaray, add to that the anounymous nature of these discussions the lack of communication between admins and players and the fact that most players dont like authority and change and if there's 1 person complaining about admins, and then they do 1 change on the server that people dont like everyone joins in on the hating admins bandwagon until the server is died.

>>15079660

I'm absolutely positive this didn't happen here, so why would you use an example of shittery on another server as a reason not to play here?

>>15079797

You being absolutely positive it didn't happen here doesn't make it not happen.

It happened here sierra was the admin at the time if she is here she'll probably confirm.

>>15079797

Also I'm using it as an example of something that happened on an 8ch server that I didn't agree/like but ultimately didn't bother me to point out that there's a good ammount of people on 8ch servers that the smallest problem will have them crying BADMIN for ever until the server is over.

>>15079896

>sierra

>she

Sierra's a dude and will continue being a dude until he overdoses on whatever prescription he's on these days and dies.

>>15079917

Yeah I know he's a trap but as you might have noticed in my previous post I refered to him as a he but having Sierra on the same phrase just makes me instinctively call him a her.

>>15079797

Nah, it did.

I don't remember this guy, but I remember the monkey complaining in the thread about the story.

Captain didn't say anything in the thread, pretty sure it was one of those weekend where we turned pub on.

But that anon is quite right. We had a lot of people that had ONE bad run in with an admin, got buttmad about it, and then did everything they could to shit up the thread or the server in revenge. Half the time they were right, the admin's a fag, half the time they didn't, the admin just didn't see it properly.

The problem is that these sort of people do not, ever go away. They still lurk here (example: >>15074470) even after all the servers we had mostly died. And these aren't newbies, they actually know the rules and how logs work and WILL tip-toe the line where they can't really get banned without setting a dangerous precedent to the rest of the crew but still manage to piss off a lot of people.

Couple that with some of the shitmins we had that were legit awfull and kill off most stations. I still blame these turbo autists more than I blame admins, because with sucess or not, at least most admins cared about keeping a comunity together. These autistic shitstains outright state they don't give a shit, they just want to meme around.

>>15079660

I think I recall a similar situation happening, only a geneticist had taken an unconscious man and shoved him into his locked genetics console.

Then when he turned the man into a monkey, he released him and then got bitten by the angry monkey-man.

He then proceeded to robust the monkey with a fire-extinguisher. I remember bwoinking him after that asking what the fug he was doing, to which he replied.

"Fuck. Why are you always ruining everyone's fun?"

Then he calmly explained that he was RPing. Which is fine. But it was on hatestation. So I don't know what the fuck to think. I bwoinked the now monkey-man asking him what the fug happened and he just said "I don't know lol". He went on to say he forgives the geneticist for turning him into a monkey so that was good.

I decided to warn the geneticist about turning people into monkeys and dropped it there.

Did the geneticist RP being so incompetent he turned someone into a monkey and forgot he used to be a human?

Was he being a shitter? I don't know, fug :DD

Being an admin and doing your job as an admin means you're going to be fucking with people's immersion, so it's fucked

Also bwoinks shouldn't automatically assumed to be "OH FUCK I'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG" alerts.

>>15079948

Yeah that's what I'm getting across people get way too pissed off way to easy and instead of just leaving they decide to stay and make everyone else as angry as they are.

>>15080071

That wasn't me my monkey escaped and I went to look for him as much as I like to make a gag I dont do that as to change the game for someone else for the rest of the round so I was wanted to turn him human again.

But yeah differente story.

Also, sugestion for any server that's still up: enable low pop. It will retain someplayers because they try dumbshit and maybe eventually attract enough players for a full serb.

I can write some short code to automatically enable and disable respawning based on playercount.

>>15080149

Fugg

Speaking of ghetto cryo I really should find some interest to open up iuncus and replace the three premium cryo tubes with showers.

>>15080149

The legitimely scared me.

How do you do ghetto shit? I've read this thread and someone said ghetto-cryoing a captain to keep him from dying and I can't find any way to ghetto shit like chemistry on the wiki.

>>15080157

It's not necessarily listed all the time. For ghetto cryo, you inject the cyroaxadone or clonexadone into them with a syringe and then stick them under a running shower which you have wrenched to be super cold. This lowers their body temperature enough for the medicine to actually work.

>>15080157

You put someone under a shower.

The shower will freeze him.

Then you inject him with the same chemicals you'd put on cryo (cryoxadone and the other I forgot).

It does the same thing (albeit slower) and can heal someone rather quickly.

You can also do advanced shit:

>be cultists

>all other cultists dead

>get a truckload of cryoxadone.

>mass spawm clothes+sword rune into amulets

>make a fuckload of summon runes

>step on them, summon like 12 diferent guys

>tell them to grab their amulets, use them to suit up and take the teleport rune to kill everything they see

>take nap on top of the sleeping rune

>loads of damage pilling up

>turn on shower

>drink cryoxadone

>naptime

>come back 10 minutes later

>"; All dead?"

>"One's missing, but Frank's on it."

Cult is fun.

>>15080159

Right, I forgot the wrench part.

You can also wrench it to give burns from being superhot.

People call it ghetto-cryo because those medicines work better and faster the lower the temperature is.

You can also ghetto surgery for instance, using every tool in an engineers toolbelt. Yes, you too can remove your own brain using a screwdriver!

You can also self-surgery with the drapes and and a roller bed.

My favourite prank was doing the surgery for organ removal aimed at my brain up to the final part. Then step into the cantina and tell them chef "Bake me a cake, faggot!" while removing my own brain. He made a brain cake and poisoned 5 people with it because he was a traitor and people couldn't resists the alkysine in the brain cake.

>>15080180

Self surgery really is the best/funniest part of pizzacode.

>>15080180

Also, I've had some good times as chemist. I WAS the chemist in the Slippy Joe escapade here >>15071367

Itching powder foam grenades are hilarious- I'm not sure if they're lethal or not but at some point the librarian came yelling at me but he collapsed and maybe died.

>>15080170

Fun fact: cryo works in space too. One time a rogue borg dragged me out into space and critted me, but I survived because I had just gotten out of cryo and the cryoxadone healed me up from crit. Cue both me and the borg wondering what the fuck happened before I figured it out.

>>15080210

Itch powder is deadly yes, the characters scratch themselves and deal a small ammount of damage but if this goes on they eventually die from the damage,

I think if you're tied or what not you dont scratch yourself but I'm not sure.

>>15080216

Best fact: You can put cryoxadone in a cigar and use that to go on space vacations. Loading several cigars with cryoxadone will allow you to effectively become immortal, so long as you never reach a place that has heat or air.

Load up on pocket fire extinguishers, boxes of Cryo cigars, and a lighter. Never worry about anything ever again.

>>15080331

This would be considered as an exploit right?

>>15080337

>Smoking drugs and spacewalking

>an exploit

It's the most Spessman thing I've heard in months.

>>15080348

Yeah but having fun is exploiting the buggy BYOND engine.

Do we actually have a server or no?

Craving a spot of the clown genocide and I want it to be extra spicy.

>>15070536

>>15080655

Apparently it's using d20's codebase?

>>15080337

You mean would a /tg/station admin would bwoink you for it? Probably not, if you weren't abandoning an important job during peak hours. I believe they usually give more of a shit about unexpected behavior, like click-dragging yourself into a trashcan through a windoor to get into Security.

That said, I don't really visit /tg/station very much anymore. Apparently, they implemented quirks for people who want a slight edge in certain areas in exchange for flaws. I'm kind of surprised they added something like that, given that they were vehemently opposed to adding anything that wasn't more hats when I gave up on them.

>>15081557

Character skill customization honestly sounds like it would be conducive to roleplay. I might have to check that out.

>>15082731

I find the skill customization thing a bit ridiculous in some aspects, if they would have left it at what you personally are good at within the game or actually have given you some benefits it would have worked much better.

The current system you have right now goes like this. You're a chemist and just to have more points you kinda dumped on offensive skills and combat, suddenly a tator comes up and tries to kill you, you fucking robust the idiot because you're just autistic for this game, the admins then point out you shouldn't have robusted him because you set your CQC skill low.

>>15082776

If instead they would have given people who set their combat to high a bit more damage and those to low a bit less damage and things like that that would be a whole other thing, if you set your combat skill to low and were weaker because of that it would actually discourage you from going into combat and maybe not take any chances in a fight because more likely than not you're outskilled, but that would take a lot of coding to do and would have to also add a way so you could know what people are good at by examining them in game so fuck that.

>>15082849

I see they changed it then.

>>15082930

I'm given to understand that the brain tumor is incurable, as far as quirks go. I know for a fact that the Pacifist quirk is incurable, as are the Ageusia and Monochromancy quirks. You'll always be stuck unable to take a shot at a motherfucker, forever stuck being a tasteless prick, and trapped in a greytide nightmare with them.

Restarted the server for the 15 of you that apparently still play. We might have a proper game going in a couple weeks for the radcorp thing.

byond://192.223.31.204:7787

>>15081557

/tg/station is just all around garbage.

Too many furry roleplayers. I only play on /vg/station because, while the admins might be retards, it's not as bad as on /tg/ or other shit servers.

>>15083797

So we 8ch spessmen now? I'll join to see how the numbers go although I can only bring myself to join a game if there's more than 8 people in it (or if I'm just doing shenanigans and trying stuff out when I'm alone)

>>15086733

Nitrous oxide as a oxidizer.

>>15086733

The chem synthesizer.

I coded that, and I miss it whenever I play on other servers.

>>15086692

Sounds good to me.

>>15086733

Chaplain hearing the dead. If I remember correctly, it's still in the code, just commented out because no one is any fun on /tg/station.

>>15086733

fucking mommis

Actually, that gave me an idea.

We could atract autismals to the serb if we teached people how to code.

We'd just need one person to maintain the code and give out some small lessons on BYOND coding on the thread. And then let everyone go crazy and hammer in content and shit.

>>15086750

>teaching people how to code in byond.

And as always If you flippant faggots can keep a population I'll probably pick up Iuncus again.

>>15086742

It's cheap but I like it too.

>>15086798

the fuck is luncus?

>>15086733

If we keep fulton I'd be happy

It was fun sharing a cigar with you, mexineer

>ss13 is prided on its autistic simulation

>people get mad if ideal gas law isnt followed or if the air system is simplified for the sake of performance

>meanwhile you can smoke cigars in space

>that prevent you from suffocating

>that constantly regenerate you

Uh huh

>>15086846

DONT TOUCH MY ATMOS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15086846

wat r u fuckin gay?

>>15086799

Well nevermind. I think it might be corrupted RIP.

It's a project I've worked on and off on since sometime last year. It's a new station designed around being a horrible pile of junk. Rounds starts out letting you be comfy enough if you want to be lazy but enabling autism. It also has some method per department to power just your department if you're in lowpop and have no engineers.

>>15086846

Fun fact: For the longest time, goonstation's solution to atmos bogging down the code was simply to put in an adminbutton that would remove air flow from the main game loop, thus keeping air wherever it was but allowing it to heat up or cool down in its given tile. To the best of my knowledge, this is still the case.

>>15086873

I'm all open to new stations that won't seem empty with 8 players.

>>15086876

I actually had another idea a while ago that would be really good: Engiestation 13. Roundstart you have basically a couple rooms but plenty of materials and EVA equipment, and everyone builds the station. Designed for lowpop long rounds like we tend to have. It'd be different, at least.

>>15086882

It would but I doubt many people are versed enough at actually building shit from scratch.

As a regular mommi faggot I could do it but I can see people getting bored of it real quickly if they're not into that sort of thing. It would also exclude the idea of a Antag or make his job incredibly easy.

>>15086888

Yeah, that's true enough. I could just make a really small Junkstation powered by turbines.

>>15086733

>balloon extraction

What

>>15086876

I don't think stations are ever in short demand, given that's not absolute shit.

>>15086882

That might be good for a Z-level area to run across while space exploring.

>>15086896

I think it's more about corridors tbh, if you make a mazelike station with low pop you can easely avoid everyone in the corridors if you simplify the corridors it would seem more populated.

As long as we have most things incorporated into the station whilst not making it so big that as Antag you can easely kill hide body and no one will ever even see it.

>>15086911

True enough. Everything in Iuncus routed through the command node in the middle, though if you had EVA gear you could get a lot of places, assuming you can hack the doors. There was supposed to be a maze of tunnels underneath the main level, though. I bit off more than I could chew and the project got dropped at least three times as servers kept dying.

Is the LLJK codebase open sourced?

>>15086997

By force, yes.

>>15087005

Fuck, by forced, I mean the 2016 branch – yes!

>>15087009

Got a link?

>>15087026

https://github.com/goonstation/goonstation-2016

>>15087057

Thanks

>>15086733

I liked the stun changes we had at one point, that didn't make stunning someone the end-all be-all of combat.

>>15086876

/tg/ has PubbyStation, it works well with low pop https://tgstation13.org/wiki//images/d/dd/PubbyStation.png

>>15087501

That's huge.

>>15087551

Aye that's bigger than what we have

doesn`t pizza has a variation of Metastation?

>>15086875

>thus keeping air wherever it was but allowing it to heat up or cool down in its given tile. To the best of my knowledge, this is still the case.

So what, it just doesn't flow?

>>15087826

It's like they want you to open up all the windows, it's not like this is a space game or anything.

>>15086875

>atmospheric simulator

>takes away the atmosphere simulation

lol

>play on /vg/

>become a chemist

>try to throw a beaker full of acid at a guy

>throwing beakers doesn't work on /vg/, you have to attack with the beaker in hand instead

>splash acid on the guy

>admin bwoinks me

>asks me if I threw acid at the guy

>say no, because I splashed it

>admin bans me for lying

>dumb nigger admin doesn't even know how /vg/ code works

>>15087992

That reminds me, I'd always loved to see a more autistic medical system. Eg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_Model_List_of_Essential_Medicines

It doesn't need to be that autistic, but having chemistry be more involved, where you create acids and bases, then mix them to make salts and other intermediary compounds with the presence of a catalyst at a specific temperature.

Imagine having it so complex that people would consider ordering medkits to be extremely viable in the absence of a chemist that knows what they're doing. A pharmacist(?) could be like a medical specialized chemist.

Not on this engine though

>>15088035

Pharmacist could be an intermediary between chem and med in that system

>>15088035

Medbay is already an endless ride, adding more would just make it clunky and unfun.

>>15088035

I want this, and I would main it as a job. Another thing I want is dead man's trigger so I can make grenades in my pocket go off when I die. Voice analyzer works but if you can't speak it doesn't go off.

>>15088112

Dead man's trigger is in /tg/ I believe

>>15088035

Lets make the fun coaster of going to medbay without dying even longer and harder.

I dunno I think chem is in a good place right now.

>>15088035

You'd also have to expand the deadliness of chemistry to counter balance the new actual challenege/burden of knowledge… like being able to kill someone by making their stomach contents so base that it's caustic and causing burn damage over time as more stomach acid is produced.

Honestly, all the jobs should get updates like this.

>>15088130

tg overhauled most jobs if I'm not mistaken and made even the most boring ones a lot of fun.

It's quite lonely in the serb but I guess we already had 2 good rounds so that's it for today.

>>15088154

I mean if a bunch of yas get on I could log a few hours.

>>15088154

you trying to challenge me to get on and honk your ass??

>>15088156

So far it's just me and I usually sit out until I see 5-6 people in, so do with that as you will.

I'm usually on monitoring pop though.

come on, anons, get in here.

>>15088257

haven't been able to connect for the past hour for some reason, rip

>>15088292

rib

>>15088308

>Connected

>No one else logged in

>Join game

>No atmos in arrivals

>Vending machines on a rampage

>Lights are out

>Glass broken everywhere

>Book it as fast as I can to the center of the station, hoping there will be atmos there

>Get ambushed by a SecTech vending machine and robusted

>Lay there and die

>Only one surviving crew member, and he's hidden in a closet in atmos

Fuck.

>>15088904

Yeah we played a bit hours ago but eventually just left now the station is complete fug, there should be a way to do a vote reset, instead of having admins reset the server you should be able to do a vote and if 100% of people vote and its 100% yes then the server should reset, that way if you arrive the serb is empty but you want to try something or just learn you can force a reset and have a clean station for yourself.

>>15088112

https://github.com/BigSlice/-tg-station/pull/114

If this ever gets merged it would be easy to do

bump

>>15090576

I'll join after I'm done eating.

I wonder if any anon here is dexterous enough to answer could the AI control an empty borg?

>>15090829

Can't do both at once. Brain's in the AI core or in the borg.

How become robust?

Also the fact that this server isn't listed in the main client will probably lead to it not being as retarded.

>>15090992

Yeah, you become robust by getting robusted by others.

>>15090992

>>15091007

Pretty much this. You first fail miserably, you'll learn from mistakes, but one day when Andy was masturbating you'll will manage to outrobust everyone.

Seems you lads want to try to revive it again. I counted 30 unique ckeys logged in over the past few days. If only you were all on at the same time.

>>15089069

Sure budy I'll merge it.

Didn't compile because of missing sound effects, so I added placeholders.

>>15092261

We should try and have something like a set time for play sessions

I'm on london time but we could set like fridays and saturdays at a specific date to get max ammount of people.

>>15092296

We have the game night coming soon so we might have a couple fantastic rounds in the near future.

>>15092301

What game night? I was not informed of this.

>>15092312

The fuck is that? And how will they find our serb? And do we want them to find out serb? I mean if u want pop you can just whore yourself out to vore or furries but I dont think that's a good idea.

>>15092324

The difference is these will be anons, we just have to resist the temptation to disposal trap them into medical and turn them all into limbless trannies because me and a guy did that before.

>>15092324

>How will they find our serb

Our general is currently right next to their sticky wwww. The IP is also in the /vg/ server list sticky.

>>15092334

That's true that could be fun, there will be a huge influx of greys though gotta be super friendly and teach them a few jobs, maybe antags should chill a bit and the serb shouldn't spam them so much so that rounds dont become hell for newbies.

Like just yesterday we had a 3 people round and 2 were antag, wth?

>>15092341

I think earlier today we had a 3 or 4 person round. One of them was a cling and he just memed everyone with an armblade.

>>15092351

Yeah I was the clown I was also a syndie though.

>>15092312

>SS13 gamenight

Oh boy is it going to be chaos in a can

>>15092353

better than nobody.

>>15092353

We really gotta focus on keeping as many people in as possible though. We dont even know if Radcorp would go to our serb or if they'd rather go somewhere else but we should advertise our serb there.

Gotta focus on keeping people as future regulars though, nothing like joining a server and spend 20 minutes seeing shit blowing up nobody paying attention to you and eventually get killed in the corner by a ling to make people never join that server again.

>>15088035

>>15088130

Here are a few things I would want to see:

>Obfuscate mixtures and introduce semireal (reliable, sped up) tools to maneuver components and isolate.

>Full gas:liquid parity and ability to go between them with tools or chambers. Probably the introduction of supercriticality and states, since these are big parts of many drugs/delivery systems.

>Real radiation and mixtures governed by equilibria to make not mashing random things together the ideal way to do chemistry.

>Flesh out the different methods of drug introduction, e.g. injection, inhalation, ingestion, absorbtion, and make medicine respond reasonably to each location and dosage.

>Tying in with the above, randomized body metrics within a reasonable human range that effects dosage, allergies, so forth, so you actually have a reason to medscan people and not throw 400mg epipens around everywhere, standard goods calibrated to real standards (which helps the most amount of people in the most ideal and safe way).

>Futuristic and recent innovations applied in the mainstream, things like Caged Molecules are only just becoming feasible but in SS13 they'd be perfect

Caged Molecules are generally used on an experimental level but implementation in gameplay would look like ingesting a ridiculous, probably fatal amount of Chemical X and then your doc shining a calibrated penlight on your leg and the wound suddenly stitching itself back together. Photostimulation is neat!

>Urination & blood filtration a bit more in depth, ideally with visible puddles and contamination to make Janis even more necessary.

>At least an abstraction of chemical formulas and all the organic goodness that includes. A further abstraction for "creating" admixtures since many important or newer drug formulas aren't public knowledge (this would be the chem-master's new role)

>Replace arbitrary chemical manufacturing with a simplified sci-fi particle accelerator that eats up energy like mad to nuke materials into the being the target with appropriate forms of radiation and exposure, ideally in such a way that makes medbay more interactive with engis and with miners.

>Find an appropriate place to tie in campy hypothetical chemicals that could enable new drugs and drug combinations outside the realm of reality, think strange/colorful reagent. Throw isolated Caffeine into the mini-collider, smack it with a couple α, and mix in some superheated Corgonium and you've compounded Hyperzine! Here, take some explosion SFX so you can feel like a badass.

Really, though, none of it's ever happening. It'd take so much time and effort from so many autists that it'd be better to make something entirely new.

>>15092581

>Obfuscate mixtures

Goonstation does this and it only leads to elitism.

>>15092590

I don't understand what you mean at all, Goonstation's entire codebase is "obfuscated", but Chemistry is public knowledge at this point (thanks, libretexts). I'm talking about the way you can rightclick any beaker or sample and see every component of a mixture to minute detail.

>>15092664

Yeah I like on some other stations how you have to put it in a machine to know what's in it. It would be better to dial it just a bit back and allow chemists to see what's inside beakers on examine or at least THE chemist who made the mixture. Nothing like making a mix up and getting sudden amnesia about what's in it because thanks game.

>>15092581

All good ideas, but on a more practical level, the simplest thing to do would be to start with removing the chem synthesizer and adding a chemistry closet that starts with a random assortment of chemicals. Then we just need a method of composing and decomposing chemicals, and suddenly chemistry is finding the most efficient way to make useful chemicals out of simple components, or break down useless chemicals for extra reagents if you need them, plus relying on mining to get more raw materials. Too bad it'll never happen.

>>15092726

>Closet

This. Other departments could benefit similarly.

>Virology

Instead of being an "isolate each symptom you want" shitfest, you have to infect monkeys and monitor them carefully. Mutate strains with targetted radiation and targetted injection (inject into the nose for a good chance at sneezing) along with your virus food type/plasma. Finally, combine and breed the various strains you've collected into your super virus.

As a consequence, make virology more powerful like chem would have to be.

>Genetics

Way more complicated than just number blocks and RNGadiation. You have to go through an entire genome but various tests can help you determine what goes to what, like if you mess up the leg sequences you can make parapelegics. There are no distinctions between structural enzyme and visual enzyme or anything like that, it's all bundled into 1 thing and each sequence can be micromanaged. You can specifically change the amino acids within a sequence to desired values. Create allergies, change hair colors, and perhaps discover a superpower. Genetics would get no power buff due to a lack of RNG.

>Science

More like xenoarchology. I have less ideas here. Actually require experiments not just pastebinning onto the destructive analyzer.

>>15092726

This was actually my reasoning for making the Chem Synth in the first place!

The idea was that you'd extract chemicals from stuff (say citrus, or mint toxin, or medicines) and add it to the chemical database. Or rather, you'd mix the medicine yourself, then scan it to a buffer so it's ready to reuse at a moment's notice, to reflect "learned" things that round.

Of course, we all know how strong the synth actually is, and how awful it feels without it. We just need to find that middle ground.

>>15092766

Honestly if chemistry was rediculously OP then you could justify not having it. Be interesting to have to make pills by hand, as well; also adding the ability to just drink from beakers. With pills being annoying to make, injections would become more viable as a means of injection.

>>15092726

One idea I liked was to have eyewear that lets you do it. Say, Science Goggles. As long as they're worn, you can tell what chemicals are in a beaker on your person on adjacent tile. You shouldn't be able to identify stuff across the room. The ghetto version of this is just visually going by substance color and hoping you didn't fuck up

A cool idea for borgs (maybe medical?) is they could analyze stuff from a distance

>>15092791

>Drinking from beakers

You don't know how much I've wanted this. It could be as simple as changing it so intent help->drink, other->splash

Ideally, every department would be OP in its own way, so that one competent person in any given department could overpower the entire station if they know what they're doing.

>Cargo can get any item

>Science can get special items and bombs

>Medical has chemistry, extra lives

>Engineering has the infrastructure

>tfw nobody to play with so have to learn on those nasty "other" servers

You know, another feature I want is instead of the gay timeout system security uses, they should use the work camp and make you mine for ore, or at least let you- then you have something to do and can maybe escape or put a pick in a guard's face.

>>15094950

It really is a shame. I could get over not being able to say nigger if security actually did their job instead of the admins doing it for them. I did a round-end bomb on the shuttle once and got bwoinked when, especially since it's end of round, just gotten tased and cuffed.

>>15094963

>I did a round-end bomb on the shuttle once and got bwoinked when, especially since it's end of round, just gotten tased and cuffed.

You what?

>>15094982

I think it was on the yogstation, I can't remember what it was except that it wasn't even high explosive. Best I can recall from the round:

>Be chemist

>ACTUALLY DO MY JOB

>Shitcurity walks in halfway through the round

>Tases my ass and beats me while I'm in cuffs because someone found drugs somewhere on the station.

>Never even given a trial or anything just tossed in a cell for 10 or 15 minutes.

>At this point I decide to stop doing my job and start working on a fire bomb.

>Assholes can't even keep a round going so the shuttle is called.

>I only have the one bomb.

>Mid flight I throw it because everyone else is shitting around so I might as well.

>Sets a single room on fire for a few seconds and makes a ONE BY ONE (1x1) hole in the shuttle

>BWOINK

>WHY DID YOU BLOW UP THE SHUTTLE

I don't think I got banned for it but come on.

>>15095096

>Never even given a trial or anything just tossed in a cell for 10 or 15 minutes.

That is a bannable offense on /tg/station. Security has to follow space law on Yog.

>>15095129

>>15094963

I'm dicking around on Paradise, just ended a game where we were at war. I confined myself in the bar with a handful of other people while the barkeep played us songs. The station started to get hit hard, shit got destroyed, but we managed to get to the evac shuttle and almost made it out of the situation if it wasn't for the explosive finale that killed us all. I'm up to play more, although I'm still complete hogshit at this. I checked back in on ours and I'm still a corpse floating in space.

>>15095205

>Paradise

Isn't that one also a fur station?

We need more ways to kill all the furries without being detected. Virology and Atmos are promising.

>>15095281

I hadn't noticed. So far my time has been spent trying to understand being a librarian and hiding from death in a bar room.

>>15095291

See, I would have been busy making drugs and bombs because I'm a very naughty chemist. By the end of the round even nar'sie would be either high or dead.

To play librarian, first you locate sufficient sources of barricade material. This will be important later.

Secondly, you locate your copy of WGW. An ingame copy is preferred but external sources are acceptable.

Thirdly and finally, you read it in all caps over the intercom until people come to kill you. This is where the barricade come in handy.

>>15095338

I got about as far a filling bookshelves. I was cleaning up some clutter when some changeling whacked me with a stun baton and then dragged me into the vents for a little strangle and rape. I tried to issue a bit of news but for some reason it wouldn't do it. I don't have a clue why.

>>15095362

I personally think changelings are too powerful. Tator tots, by comparison, can get outed much more quickly and don't get to reset their equipment whenever they want, or escape from death in the same way.

>>15095459

Shit community.

>>15095459

It has far more potential for roleplay than default SS13 and has an interesting setting, despite being mostly rip offs from other games.

It's terribly held back by the tryhard community, the meta clicks, the double standard regarding sharing information, the dev, that there's only one set of servers and it's not open source for obvious monetary reasons.

>>15095459

Shit game.

>>15095459

You're playing a game with massive security vulnerabilities. Don't trust the Ruskie.

Reminder that lifeweb was only good in the first half of 2015. It's cancer now

I plan on playing this soon, but I am still looking through the guides.

It's normalfag central now

>>15095947

Don't bother

>>15095459

isn't this the game that is only hosted on a select few servers by the guy who made it, and the servers are only open at certain times (the weekends) and if you aren't a donator, you can't get the good classes, and the community refuses to share information about the game?

>>15095952

Fuck off, assholes like you are in every thread every time someone wants to play videogames.

>>15095947

Just jump in friend :^)

>>15096034

Play a good game instead of fucking nu-web

>>15095966

See, I don't mind information obfuscation in an MMO but on something like lifeweb it sounds like a bad practice. In an MMO, obfuscation of information limits meta builds and keeps things fresh.

>>15096110

>After the game turned to nu-web in late 2015/early 2016

What turned it to shit?

>>15096184

All it led to in lifeweb is meta-groups forming their own discords and sharing their exploits on google docs

>>15096191

community turned into meme central

>>15095966

>if you aren't a donator, you can't get the good classes

There's a lot more perks to being a donator, like an entire different server for you.

Let's not forget that Goons coded in benefits for any other Goon in the server, so you can assume there's something in place as well for LFWB, since the code is closed source as well.

>the community refuses to share information about the game?

Actually, that's the funniest part. They get anally ravaged everytime someone writes informatoin about the game on a wiki or a meta sheet, but they'll tell you that they'll teach you all you want to know if you just ask, either in the Discord or in the game.

Which, to their credit, they do, ask something in the Discord and someone will give you an actual truth soon enough.

It's still shit though. Every other community gets tired of newbies asking the same question for the nth time so they compile wikis, faqs and manuals and tell the newbies to lurk moar. Lifeweb community on the other hand seems really happy at every oportunity they have of showing someone new that they know more stuff.

And it's even more ridiculous when you have situations like an innkeeper asking the visiting mortus how to cook something because the player genuinely doesn't know how to cook. What great roleplay it is, to have your skills tell you how better than the mortus you are at cooking and yet he knows more about your kitchen than you do, somehow?

>>15096257

>community turned into meme central

Last I checked many months ago, Randy hated the american community because they couldn't roleplay at all. Every round was meta clicks competing with each other to troll everyone else, every conversation both in the game and out of it was memes, memes and more memes.

Imagine you had a game balanced around the roleplaying server, where people are sensible and do actions according to their character, but there's another server full of powergamers that just want to be dicks and "win" the game with all the inbalanced shit the game has.

For instance, the Thanati Coin ritual that lets you flip a coin with a 50/50 odds of killing either your target or you. Now imagine almost every round starting with the Baron's head popping off for no apparent reason.

>game finally reset

COME PLAY

>>15095096

>"Blowing up the shuttle"

>It's not even a maxcap or a plasma statue episode

Sad!

>>15096717

>LFWB is P2W

W E W

Do people still make the same stupid excuses that the game isn't open sourced to avoid furries and Ian or something equally stupid, or have they already understood it's not open source because competition murders his Patreon?

Because the only reason I see for them to defend this is because they know if another server popped up, they'd lose a fuckton of players from the community who would prefer to have an entirely different culture.

Only thing that upsets me is that there were some genuinely good roleplayers there and it's a shame they have nowhere better to play.

>>15096257

>Meta groups

That's pretty gay but again in an MMO that would work because you'd have actual guilds.

How the fuck do I add my book to the computer? It feels like the wiki is lying to me.

>>15096808

You have a scanner with you or on your PDA.

Set it to register mode, then scan your book.

>>15096304

It's weirdly similar to how Haven And Hearth used to be, back in the day. People got ruined by goons for setting up wikis with information on how the game worked, and then eventually set up a wiki of their own. A lot of the information that was hosted on it was out of date, or just wrong. If you ever ran into one in the game, though, and they weren't busy, they'd show you all kinds of stuff.

I ended up wrecking their fun by discovering a critical part of the game that was nearly completely undocumented, then experimenting with it. The Symbel was basically just feasting, but feasting was how you made your character's attributes climb through the roof. I leaked my findings and observations through four different factions that opposed the goons, and it ended up proving to be enough to undo a lot of their stat supremacy.

>>15096898

I did. I can see it sitting in the computer, I just can't add it to the archive. Admin says that apparently the server isn't accepting any new books whatsoever.

>>15096912

First, make sure the admin set up the MySQL database on his server. Second, make sure he updated the appropriate file with the correct credentials for that database. This means a username and password that's allowed to make changes on the table in question. Third, make sure he actually set up the MySQL database with the appropriate table name and correct columns. It's been forever, so I don't remember what column names you're supposed to use or how many of them there are.

Gud luk.

>>15096739

>MUH FURRIES MUH IAN SO STUPID

>dude check this out you can ride arrelits now haha so epic

Is this still gay RP central or is it fun without the need to use ebin in character chat only?

>>15096912

Oh, you mean something enterily different. You are writing a book and want to add it to the server.

You write a book as usual and then you use it on the scanner nearby, but that requires the server to have a propre MySQL database working, which might not be actually working.

>>15096960

The admin likely hasn't set up the book server, sorry.

>>15096957

Yeah, I never got the point. In a game where everyone's looking for an excuse to shank someone else, you gonna tell me that adding furry races is a bad idea?

Besides, half the game is basically Arx Fatalis, so where are the ratmen or the snake ladies?

>>15097012

>The admin likely hasn't set up the book server, sorry.

This is something that can be resolved inbetween games, right? Librarian is pretty much the only job I want.

>>15097018

There's more to librarian than writing books. See if you can download some, it might work.

Other than that, Librarians can also work as Journalists quite well, or you can print forms for everyone else to use and copy.

Or you can try to set up a Pen&Paper session with other people playing DnD or MaidRPG

>>15097012

>a propre MySQL database working

Not even. You can get that trash heap working with EasyPHP, which comes with an easily-manipulated personal MySQL database. Using the DevServer version (I believe) prevents it from letting a non-localhost connect to it, meaning that your SS13 server can connect to it without trouble.

Hey, if the host (BigSlice) is around this thread, I'd like to tell him that I'd like to be an offhour admin since that's when I'm normally up.

t. the midimin that isn't moonman

>>15096906

Goons got into Haven and Hearth? When I played it was just Russians everywhere.

>>15097064

It was quite a while ago. World 3, if I remember correctly. They're on World 10 now. Their faction name was Sodom, because of course a handful of faggots is going to go for the Biblical shitshow that was Faggot City. They ended up severely diminished by the introduction of the curio system, not because it hampered the botting that they'd been using since they realized that dream, but because of simple fatigue with Jorb and Loftar, who'd been selling this curio system as the end-all-be-all thing that was going to fix everything wrong with the game.

>>15097094

I played before curiosities (with 99chan of all people) so I think it was world 3. Still, we were tiny and nothing ever happened, so I wouldn't have noticed any goons anyway.

>>15097064

They were the ones that made a nifty launcher with an in-built IRC client and even a minimap with the whole world map so you could know where you where and coordinate with other players.

Of course, that launcher had a keylogger and they got the accounts of everyone that used it, broke into several towns simply by logging with a character that had a key for instance, or just opened doors.

They were also the idiots that began using bots in quite an interesting way, besides doing all the crafting and grinding.

They'd set a bot with a patrol route around their town, and if any foreign player was seen by the bot, it would issue a message to their IRC channel so they knew they were under attack.

They didn't even had to be online in order to defend themselves.

>>15097166

I heard about the bots thing in the twilight days of world 7, long after I stopped, but I heard it was Russians again. Goons make more sense.

>>15097166

>Of course, that launcher had a keylogger and they got the accounts of everyone that used it,

Until about World 7 or 8, this was true. Then spacemanspiff, their codemonkey, quit playing and gave up the server that the Goonclient was reporting to. I still have a copy of their client, which I fixed up after they recruited me without realizing who I was and had me coding bots for them in exchange for helping out some stragglers that I'd picked up along the way.

The bot village routines were largely maintained and improved by me for a long time.

>>15097714

I guess we merged vorecode after all

>>15097207

That's cool, have you botted many games?

>>15095459

So far there have been comments on the old state of the game. It has a wiki now.

http://lfwb.ru/

The russian community is the meme spammer now. Interzone has most of the actual roleplayers and Randy prefers them over the russians.

>>15098837

I'm at work sorry. Later, though.

>>15098603

Not really. I wasn't a coder and I'm still not, I just bashed at it repeatedly until I started getting results. The only programmer they had access to after spacemanspiff left was a Russian called Boshaw, who was taciturn at best. Between my fumbling attempts and his broad experience, we crafted a few botvillages that farmed, foraged, and fished in an automated fashion.

As an aside, fuck LISP.

>>15099024

>fuck LISP

Fuck you then

>>15099063

Except anyone with any sense uses an editor with parentheses matching. My LISP environment wont even allow unbalanced parantheses. What you're complaining about is your own ignorance.

>>15099091

I'm not a coder. I was using Notepad and a half-drunk Russian, botting for fucking goons and struggling to achieve parity with people that had 300+ attributes on their main characters. You think LISP is great because you slap your meaty slabs on keyboards for fun and I'm happy for you. Meanwhile, I was dumped into the most backwards-looking syntax I'd ever come across, and was made to figure out the comments from a guy that gave zero fucks and a Google Translated Russian who didn't care enough to explain himself. Meanwhile, I went from being a wandering hobo who built log cabins in the middle of the woods to being surrounded by the least-likable faction in the entire game, all asking if I could make them "thunderwalkers" and scripts to auto-aggro or log other people out by spamming the chat until the victim's client crashed.

I was neck-deep in World 9 before I found out about Notepad++, with its delightful highlighting and various other quality-of-life enhancements.

>>15099123

That does sound like a bizarre cyber hell, and I sympathize. If you're ever interested in reapproaching the language I recommend the SICP lectures and emacs. How did you wind up in the position of maintaining the bots anyhow? I'd also be interested to learn anything you remember about their architecture, like how they hooked into the game etc

>>15099150

>>15099187

I might try that one day, but it'll have to be a day where I'm at peace with the universe and the stars have aligned.

As for how I ended up there, I was wandering the wilderness that was World 5 or 6 and ran across the early stages of a campsite. Being the rootless nomad that I was, I picked through the stuff that was on unclaimed land and found it to be of some small interest, but also obviously a trap. There was an anvil just sitting on the ground, waiting to be stolen and dragged back to another village. Being the jerk that I was, I did just that and took it to a newbie village that I'd made friends with, then waited a week. The goons descended on them and crushed them for stealing their anvil, having tracked it because they'd made and collected Scents of Theft a system that they abused often, I'd later found out, as they would use alts to make such scents and then leave things laying around so that they'd be justified in crushing thieves later and tracked the property to its new location.

I started boating around after that and eventually ran into one of their players. We talked and he decided I might be a fun addition to their group. They eventually passed a copy of their client to me, and I got curious about the botting system, having never needed or wanted one before. One crash course from the remaining goons later, I started tweaking with it until I discovered both Dirty Joe a Java editor, apparently pretty basic and the goonclient's username and password logger, which connected to a ded server. Then I started finding functions that just flat-out didn't work in the LISP side of things and couldn't figure out why. Mentioning this got me in touch with the Russian, who apparently ratted me out to the rest of the goons, and led to me being the designated bot-guy because I was the only one willing to experiment with that branch of the code.

As for the architecture, I'm not sure what you mean, so I'll just upload the client and let you see what I'm talking about. The scripts themselves came in two halves. One was a conf file that determined the icon that the script would use in the UI, and the other was the script proper, which had all the useful code in it. Each script would refer back to a common LISP configuration file, with the useful functions that you would use, like finding out what the closest given mob is or figuring out how far it is or clicking a given distance away from your hearthling and so on. That stuff had hooks in the client's Java, which could fail to produce any results if the configuration file had a misspelled part or was referring to the wrong function in the Java file. Trying to write the Thunderwalker script was a nightmare and a half because it originally came with a bad hook in the config file for the attack cooldown return function, just as an example.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/n8nqre

The thing is largely useless now, so I doubt they'd care if everyone ended up with a copy of it.

>>15099411

>abusing scents

Wait a minute. Let me see if I have this correctly: goon alt picks up items from a goonclaim and walks off with them, arranging them into the appearance of an abandoned settlement, actual goon characters pick up Scents of Theft from the "stolen" item, and then they just check it regularly to see if it was moved and ransack the poor newbies who took it if it was. Why didn't I think of that?

>>15099411

That's exactly what I meant by architecture, just how it all fit together. That's incredibly interesting, thank you for sharing

>>15099733

It was one of their more honest means of getting conflicts to embroil themselves in, yeah. Sometimes, they'd send people like me to wander the area and just look for signs of civilization. Other times, they'd set up dummy villages, trade massive collections of ore that was mined by high-Nature characters so that it would have the least amount of ingots of metal from being smelted, and wait for people to seek revenge for being cheated.

One guy liked to gear up for war and just patrol the area, a self-proclaimed member of the DEA. If he came across a place that had hemp, he'd tear it all out of the ground and leave behind a note that said something to the effect of "Weed is bad, mmkay," but with legalese dressing it up. The one time he got caught doing it, he ended up intimidating the poor bastard into giving up his clothes so that he could try them on.

Towards the end, they were just looking for anything to amuse them.

>>15099811

I'm sure spacemanspiff would be able to supply a much better explanation of its inner workings, but I'm almost equally sure he's dropped off the face of the planet. Judging from what I had to put up with, the goons have a really hard time keeping good help around because of the demands and abuse they heap on them.

Not that I was good help, of course. I was just what they had.

I'm asking radcorp if they want to use our server.

>>15097063

But there's 2 of you.

>>15101093

exactly that's why i said who i am not

dummy

>>15101141

You must not only provide your full name but you must dox yourself right here with social security number included pls.

Big Slice should also take care of that book thing right now the server is not set in a way that you have books. How will we survive without fanfic and Andy's masturbation story?

>>15101093

but actually because i'm about to doze off if you are BigSlice i really wouldn't mind being an off-hour admin, thought i should ask for that since multiple times i had adminhelps i didn't have enough permissions to solve other than replying "can't do that" and midimining isn't exactly for me

t. K—–6

BigSlice-kun should make threads instead of waiting for them to pop-up!!

whats the address my dudes

>>15101418

>>15083797

I can't remember how to do the wrestling moves. I know it has to do with the grab intent or some combination thereof. I'm practicing on pun pun on paradise but ain't getting it, only the tabling move.

>>15101431

It might be different on our codebase, but regardless you can search the code and see the combinations pretty clearly I believe. I also think we only have about three wrestling moves that work.

How many people online?

>>15101487

At least two. There's a third guy, but it seems to be an idle connection.

>>15101469

Yeah, I'm not sure if they have them on paradise, I tried a bunch of what I thought they were.

>>15101431

The tabling move isn't wrestling, it's available to everyone.

Also, are you talking about Boxing or Wrestling?

Boxing requires the gloves while Wrestling needs the Champion's Belt equipped.

Wrestlin basically has 2 important moves. If you Grab someone and keep grabbing them, instead of reinforcing your grab, you'll be dealing 10 Stamina Damage.

Instead, you can either grab as usual or Harm attack to get an agressive grab with 50% odds and afterwards you switch hand, switch intent to Disarm and attack the target for a Suplex. You have to disarm him with the hand that's not grabbing him, don't forget that.

Other servers might have more martial arts but this server seems to have Boxing, Wrestling and Plasma Fist only.

You can check all this here:

https://github.com/BigSlice/-tg-station/blob/master/code/datums/martial.dm

>>15101536

>Requires items

That's it then.

>Suplex

That was what I was after. I knew the combo but forgot about the belt.

I'd join for building autism; but the last time I did so one faggot killed me after hours of work rebuilding the bridge into an everything workshop.

Is there an admin?

>>15101796

>the last time I did so one faggot killed me after hours of work

Isn't that the nature of the game?