/v/ - Video Games

/v/ is a gateway to mainstream culture. the doom comic and its reading were popular on /v/, brutal doom was popular on /v/, and now that things /v/ once liked went mainstream they realize their attraction resulted in disaster. How does it feel knowing everything you're touching is making the worst things happen to it?

>>15055309

>brutal doom was popular on /v/

Fuck off it was not, It might've got some attention for being flashy but it was never "popular"

>>15055316

>it was never "popular"

this is where you are wrong. It was, for a period. A few updates later, mainstream attention, and bing bang boom, /v/ hates it. It's still as bad as it was before then.

So basically you have another reason among a million to hate normal faggots? I mean, you're right, but we've known the problem of intruding the inner ring for a while. What do you want us to do about it?

Brutal Doom was a fun side mod, not a replacement, with neat gore. I don't see how this meme plays into it and I don't care.

I haven't played it for long, but looking at the trailers now it added cowadoody grenades, the ability to throw rocket ammo to use as explosives and other retarded unorthodox shit. That just went too far for my taste.

Crying to the vols won't change the fact you posted a hideous wall of text, OP.

>>15055304

>brutal doom removed difficulty

Say what you ant about BD, but in no way is vanilla Doom more difficult.

No, the issue is with you making it some sort of identity politics shit. Wow are you a gay.

OP is a retarded whiny faggot. Is being a retarded whiny faggot counts something /v/? Probably. Is it vidya gaems? Not much. The thread is shit. Check my dubs

inb4 banned by cakejew for "derailing the thread"

>Bethesda

>turning things to shit

In other words, people die when they are killed. Bethesda manages to fuck up even its own games OP

brutal doom is the only way to play doom

vanilla doom is too boring otherwise

>a meme ruined Doom

>not faggots born over a decade past Doom/Doom2's release

How do they say?

meme responsibly

>>15055304

Why does this make you that angry?

All your hobbies are being taken away from you and your only response has been to chuck a pissyfit online?

Vidya is for fags.

>>15056306

Hi Gahoole

>>15056415

It's not Gahoole anymore… it's

DUNK

>>15055304

> Can we talk about […]

Stop doing this, then sure. Until then, lay on an active grenade faggot.

>>15055320

iirc people played it until Sergeant Mark IV outed himself as a gigantic cock mongler

>>15055304

Did you even read the comic?

Protip: no

This is the purest way to play Doom, faggots.

NuDoom is a fun game that's fast-paced, has great weapon variety, directly incentivizes the player for being creative, and actually has a pretty good story that in no way slows down the action. Very few games nowadays and even in the past have a fairly large array of weapons that are all unique. Even fewer games can get the player to switch between them as naturally as you do in NuDoom. Personally, I'm a guy that will find one weapon he likes and use that for the rest of the game. I couldn't do that in NuDoom and the game is designed so deeply around variety in weapon usage that it didn't just force me to be creative it made me want to be creative.

/v/ hates on the game because they think it's a reboot (it's not), because they hate Bethesda (maybe rightfully so), and because /v/ likes to hate things that are popular and good.

If half of you shitters that complain to no end about NuDoom actually pirated the fucking thing and gave it 20 minutes of your time you'd realize how wrong you've been this whole time and hopefully feel a little shame for being the purposefully contrarian mooks you are.

>inb4 shill shill shill shill

Even though I'm telling you to pirate it.

>playing doom

>>15055304

OP ur a faggot, just as usual, because of you I've had to check nu-dum tek dawns, and guess what, nudumgay doesn't even make as much as a grunt when performing them, in fact he is completely silent. So not only you are wrong about the original comic -> >>15056501 , but you are also wrong about how bethesda have ruined the character.

>>15056495

Why are you perpetuating it then? Or are you this much of a retard?

>>15056653

>playing

>>15056719

I watched a couple gameplay videos before playing it too and I definitely agree that glory kills look boring as fuck. The animations are ok but they repeat themselves so many times that they lose all novelty. When you're actually playing though glory kills are like a potential earned break in the action. Sometimes you really need a half second to take a rest from the action or to evaluate what your next move is gonna be. In other games you would go find cover, in NuDoom you glory kill a demon or two.

Totally agree with you on the multiplayer and snapmap. Multiplayer is the most fucking boring thing in existence and snapmap has some really stupid bugs that ruin the experience (e.g. weapon functionality is slightly different between the campaign and in snapmaps and your custom hotkeys don't carry over between different custom maps).

>>15055948

Stop that.

>>15056514

>/v/ hates on the game because they think it's a reboot (it's not)

then why put the name DOOM on it at all? They did the same with nuPrey. Fuck outta here.

>>15056791

It's not a reboot as in it's just a fucking regular sequel. They didn't number it because the numbering convention for doom is fucked. In actuality NuDoom would be the 5th or 6th game in the mainline franchise but it would probably have been numbered as doom 4.

The story works perfectly fine as a direct sequel to doom 64 and doesn't just throw everything out the window like shitty doom 3.

What Bethesda forced Arkane to do with Prey 2017 is fucked. It should have been called Neuroshock or Become Human or something.

>>15056870

Why didn't they give it a subtitle? Just call it "DOOM Returns" or something like that.

You want to fix the cancer in Doom, first things you need to worry about are goonworld and the ungodly amount of trannies this game attracts for some reason

>>15056441

Dunkahoole?

>>15056870

>People still believe the "NuDoom is a Doom 64 sequel" meme

"Had you actually played the games, you'd realize that doesn't actually work. "Lore totems" you find in the hell levels retell events that are obviously supposed to mirror important moments in the classic games, but their versions are too different from the classic games to be the same thing. There's also other details that don't mesh, like how demons in the classic games had actual artificial tech grafted on to them, but in nuDoom all the normal demons just have natural biological mechanisms. The only ones with cyborg bits are the ones the UAC cult got their hands on. They cyber demon is only a cyber demon because some UAC tech nerds grafted a gun to its arm and a battery to its chest. Plus, if it really was thousands of years in the future of classic Doom, humanity should have been much more advanced than "we've only put one brain in a robot body, and the only other existing cyborg suffers constant extreme pain from it." - Some Faggot

I liked Doom 4 and there is nothing you can do about it. It was a legitimately fun game. All of the complaints people have about it boil down to git gud. Contrarian assholes will get the rope.

>you were to focused on "FLYING REVENANTS XD" to pull your head out of your ass long enough to see that there was no chance in hell it was going to be good.

Nigger were you even there during the pre- and post-release threads? Aside from some post purchase rationalizers, the threads were completely negative.

>>15055316

nigga it was the .wad that /v/ talked about for years. i mean, shit, people still bring it up in every single doom thread. like it or not there are people out there right now who only know of brutal doom and have no idea that there are literally thousands of other .wads out there

>>15055304

NuDoom is fine if you pretend it isn't Doom and is just a Painkiller sequel.

>>15059639

Brutal Doom is a .pk3, not a .wad you fucking retard.

>>15055304

Reminder that Brutal Doom was based on the Doom comic, and Romero himself said that if id had the tech at the time, OG Doom would've looked just as violent and gory as the comic/Brutal Doom, if not more.

>>15062345

Romero is a retard, he made a Daikatana. Good parts of old id are Adrian Carmack and Tom Hall.

>>15066029

jew or not jew has no profile on nina bergman, are they out of date or is she not a jew?

>>15066115

>Bergman

Obvious jew.

>>15056669

Kilk yourself

>>15056490

>If he's a mapper, he hates gameplay mods with a passion

Not true.

>dreams of one day making his own indie game.

One day, when I stop being a procrastinating nigger and actually learn to program instead of just drawing differently shaped boxes.

A lot of asshurt autists in this thread bitching at each other over internet bullshit that doesn't matter.

jump threads and not tell a nigga

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rgqem5rw2o3cj7/LOTX.rar?dl=0

check this GARBAGE out

i'll work on the others if the blatant e1m1 ripoff is received well

>>15055304

>this one fucking meme managed to ruin Doom

proof not detected

>>15066029

John Romero was a Clinton supporter back in the '90s. All of you children are too young or stupid to remember.

>>15070029

He was always a faggot and a shit level designer. Sandy Peterson was better, despite what Reddit may tell you.

>>15062384

John Carmack wasn't? I mean, he kind of made the game reality.

>>15070106

His work on Doom II trumps anything Romero has done. Romero wanted his levels to look good, Sandy just wanted his levels to be fun and it shows; He is the main reason Doom II is still a better game than the first.

>>15070106

Doom 2 was shit, but his more abstract approach worked better for Quake Episode 4 (Spawns aside, though that's not his fault) where his penchant for huge cities couldn't be realized in the Quake engine at the time and Quake's gameplay paradigm forced him to get more creative with less enemies in smaller rooms

Though you can tell by how the power-ups and super items are placed and how there's a palpable higher-level concept for each of his Quake levels that it's a Petersen level

>>15070166

>Doom 2 is a better game then the first

Not really,it's an expansion pack for the first doom since all the good is non maps

and the maps are garbage.

>>15055948

Holy fucking shit

>>15070179

>only played Doom for the first time last year

>it's amazing

>play doom 2

>it's utterly disappointing

Is the general consensus that Doom 1 > Doom 2?

>>15070195

>and the maps are garbage.

Fuck off reddit, Doom II's maps were excellent: Every combat sequence was unique and memorable compared to Romero's "Open door, kill enemies, repeat" style that got boring after 3 maps.

>>15070268

Yes

>>15070268

>Is the general consensus that Doom 1 > Doom 2?

Reddit sure thinks so, and they're wrong just like always. Doom II is a better game in every way, better levels, more guns, enemies and combat sequences that require actual thought and overall alot more consistently fun throughout.

>>15070280

Boy am I glad. For some reason I thought it was the other way around, which really confused me.

>>15070312

That's not what I saw. Doom 1 was the most varied FPS I may have ever played. Every level was new and fresh. Doom 2 on the other hand had a lot more odd levels. Most of Doom 2 feels like a haze to me while most of Doom 1 is pretty vivid in my mind. I can't argue against the new guns. The super shotgun is iconic for good reason. The new enemies are a mixed bag though.

I can't quite put my finger on it but in doom 2, I feel like the levels encouraged very samey tactics. Either stop and pop or circlestrafe for day. Just about every mancubus encounter happened in some big open space where you just circle around a bunch of them.

>>15070315

>You forgo enemy/item placement and their relation to the level layout

The enemy and item placement was great, I don't really know what you're talking about.

>in favor of interesting and more stand-out memorable ideas, regardless of whether they were executed as well as they could. "Cool concept but mediocre execution" would suit a lot of levels in Doom 2.

And that's where your wrong kiddo: Barrels o' Fun, The Courtyard, The Suburbs, Tricks and Traps, etc are great in concept and execution.

>they didn't have the detail and refinement in enemy encounter design (nor texturing) which Romero had.

Graphics dont matter if the gameplay is shit, repetitive and boring.

>>15070372

>Doom 1 was the most varied FPS I may have ever played.

And Sandy designed 2/3rds of it. Still, his Doom 1 levels were pretty shit. Then again, so were Romero's.

>I feel like the levels encouraged very samey tactics. Either stop and pop or circlestrafe for day.

I don'te think you recall the game correctly.

>>15070058

>>15070166

>>15070279

>>15070312

>>15070388

>>15070542

Go back to your shit thread you made >>14998308

>>15070372

>>>15070312

>

>That's not what I saw. Doom 1 was the most varied FPS I may have ever played. Every level was new and fresh.

That's funny because every doom level was the same, but with different textures sometimes.

>>15070388

>The Courtyard/The Suburbs

The problem with these maps is that there's no signposting going on in order to mitigate the risk of the player going off the beaten track (aside from giant blinking arrows on the floor, which is absolutely cheating), yet the progression itself is entirely linear. The non-linearity in structure would have worked better if there was a single door which required all three keys which you could find in any order you like. Instead progression is still gated on a frequent color basis, so instead of exploring until you think you got everything, you'll find yourself thinking "where do I go now" a lot.

Combat-wise these giant levels aren't suited to how Doom's combat is designed. The challenge comes from the relation between enemy placement and level layout, but if the level is so big that you can effortlessly circlestrafe around enemies, plink them from afar, or dodge their shit with ease, then that's no fun. Sometimes he tries to break this up by going into slaughterwad territory and spawning loads of enemies at once while giving you a BFG and a power-up, but these moments are often without substance once you've been through them a few times throughout other levels in the campaign.

>Barrels o' Fun

It's a level completely diverted from the typical Doom formula and one which would have been a prime candidate for a secret level, but unlike something like Dead Simple the combat setpieces are bollocks. It starts off by trying to be an obstacle course even though Doom's collision systems make weaving through barrels incredibly finnicky. Moreover, once you realize the solution to running forward, going through the first two 'barrel runs' is becomes busy work. Now, if you had Pinkies to worry about while trying to weave around barrels…

This level also shows what happens when you design your level around pistol starts but completely try to railroad the experience. Most people will, after triggering the walls on the other side of the main room with the Imps on them, run away to the bottom center to get away from the five(+one) Mancubi. And once you get back, the place is absolutely SWARMING with Lost Souls, and enemy infighting takes absolutely forever. However, the 'correct solution' is to blow up the Imps and Barons on one side prematurely with the barrels, then to run over and hit the switch and trigger the elevator behind the Mancubi, and then deactivate the wall so you can kill all Pinkies with your Berserk. What is creativity on part of the player even? This is unlike Tricks and Traps where you could tackle the rooms in any given order and the problems that arose from opening them in certain orders were largely emergent. Here you need to figure out what the designer wanted you to do or die. This first part of the level is more of a puzzle you have to figure out in order to not die or not get swarmed by the fucking Mancubi and their Lost Souls. At least they could have given you a Super Shotgun for the Pinkies to speed things up.

The parts after that are contradictorily easy because they give you a BFG and loads of rocket ammo so you can gib the Archviles and Spiderdemons without too much fuss.

>Tricks and Traps

Now here's a good level, because you're balancing ammo consumption (if you pistol start), the huge hordes of Imps in one room, hell knights in another, and pinkies in another and trying to get shit done as far as possible so you can get to the more obligatory rooms. It's very hectic and a lot of fun

>itt op complains about a meme which is already dead

>doom wasnt already campy and over-the-top

>he has never watched evil dead or read any of the intermission screens

yeah sure bud, doom comic was the only inspiration for brutal doom

>>15070710

>"muh dungeons not made by a single person"

and then after getting a few hours into the game you realize every copy paste dungeon has a secret path that loops back to the door and is full of nord zombies

>>15056424

I like Brutal Doom because I'm a recovering sonic addict who likes to go fast

>>15055304

Any community will eventually die unless there's a good entry barrier.

>>15070688

>The problem with these maps is that there's no signposting going on in order to mitigate the risk of the player going off the beaten track

In the suburbs, it is pretty obvious where to go: No matter what path you take, you will always get to the right destination. The Courtyard is entirely linear and pretty fucking obvious, if you couldn't find you way through that; you are pretty retarded.

>(aside from giant blinking arrows on the floor, which is absolutely cheating)

Only Downtown did that and I can agree that it's a shit level, that and The Citadel are the worst levels in the game.

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>>15072875

But fellow anon, that's CENSORSHIP

>>15062345

Then thank God they *didn't* have the tech, because the game was better off for it. It's like how if George Lucas had unlimited funding, unrestricted creative control, and modern CGI back in the day, the original Star Wars trilogy would have been as awful as the prequels.

>>15055304

But NuDoom technically does the silent badass thing, he doesn't shout or tries to be edgy, he's just an efficient killer with little patience for exposition and you never even hear his voice in the game.

That's not a very good argument OP.

>>15055304

>You can see it in the comics and in game that Doomguy was actually calm and collected despite what he was going through

The comic depicted him a goofy meathead marine that was a little crazy though. I'll admit yeah he wasn't an edgy tryhard like normalfags depict him.

>>15080353

Why do they call it Complex Doom?

>>15080356

no clue, maybe the upgraded and newer monster variants , nice inventory items and moar weapons… it has a polished feel to it, brutal doom seems sloppy at times but for me complex doom is the tits

>>15080353

>developer of Complex Doom made the most recent version incompatible with all those LCA addons because he hated how much of a clusterfuck it had become with said addons.

lel

>>15080353

Some of the colors and blood splatters in this wad are nauseating

I just consider it to be a silly comic book that is funny due to its over the top style. I don't necessarily consider it canon, any more than I would consider a Ghostbusters comic book as canon for the movie universe.

>>15080353

I hate this shit being the only mod with any players in Zandronum's survival mode.

>>15081364

Tell me about it:

>enter complex lca survival server

>spectate the entire map watching two idiots fuck around

>finally enter the next map

>get instantly killed by the first legendary monster

>be forced into spectate again

>exit server after realizing it will go absolutely nowhere

>>15056514

>NuDoom is a fun game that's fast-paced, has great weapon variety, directly incentivizes the player for being creative, and actually has a pretty good story that in no way slows down the action. Very few games nowadays and even in the past have a fairly large array of weapons that are all unique. Even fewer games can get the player to switch between them as naturally as you do in NuDoom. Personally, I'm a guy that will find one weapon he likes and use that for the rest of the game. I couldn't do that in NuDoom and the game is designed so deeply around variety in weapon usage that it didn't just force me to be creative it made me want to be creative.

Resident Evil 5 the mercenaries mode is better at all this than nu doom and it's a bonus mode for a 10 year old game. You can even take a modern shooter like rainbow six and all of these buzzwords you put down here apply aswell

>Rainbow Six is a fun game that's fast-paced, has great weapon variety, directly incentivizes the player for being creative very few games nowadays and even in the past have a fairly large array of weapons that are all unique. Even fewer games can get the player to switch between them as naturally as you do in Rainbow Six. Personally, I'm a guy that will find one weapon he likes and use that for the rest of the game. I couldn't do that in Rainbow Six and the game is designed so deeply around variety in weapon usage that it didn't just force me to be creative it made me want to be creative.

This better be a fucking copypasta because it's retarded

Also just insert Devil May Cry in there or Ninja Gaiden or some shit. You could say this for fucking anything.

>>15081598

any "Press x to kill enemy" button in videogames is always shit. If they are in a stun state maybe you can do an attack that does a set amount of HP damage and has a crit percentage or some shit anything else is just shitty because Nudoom incentivizes glory kills way too much because the reward involved(it's better to glory kill everything big) this gameplay element actually limits player creativity.

>>15055304

no

>>15070710

>implying the cancer stopped coming in droves in 2012

>>15070195

The levels were mostly very good, but I've never felt compelled to play through the entire game at once, like I would with Doom 1 episodes. It was just much too long. So I ended up skipping around a lot to whatever levels I hadn't beat yet, or ones that I liked playing.

>>15070486

he looks better in the comic

that doomguy is just a wolfenstein rip off

>>15087538

So does the original monster.

>>15066123

>I unironically want a campy doom game where Doom Man says cheesy one liners and fist fights monsters

It's called Duke Nukem 3D.

>>15090475

Tell me more

>>15090978

In short: Clothes empower weapons, and clothing damage is a central feature.

>>15055316

t. revisionist