46d864 No.15029482
It started happening, EU is killing lootboxes
>It's a good thing
you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
this is just the beginning, soon you won't be able to post anything on the internet, images and links will be monetized and you'll be punished if you post them without permission or paying money, the future of the internet is fucked my friends
89812f No.15029504
Regulation isn't inherently bad, and applying it to gambling is fine. This is how some of the more egregious forms of gachapon got killed too.
8bc17e No.15029512
>soon you won't be able to post anything on the internet, images and links will be monetized and you'll be punished if you post them without permission or paying money
Yeah, because that's technically feasible.
Valve along with all the other lootbox shit developers can get fucked. Maybe they'll -god forbid- have to make new games to sell if they want continuous revenue. Imagine how terrible would that be.
9a34f5 No.15029514
An tyrannical multinational dictatorship that I hate (the eu; but mainly the dutch in this case) is killing something else I hate but to a far lesser degree (lootboxes). It's a hobo fight where no matter who wins, you're still fucked either way.
10421e No.15029515
>>15029482
It IS a good thing tho, loot boxes are gambling, do you really want a whole generation to grow up addicted to gambling?
8fc6ab No.15029516
>>15029482
>banned only in holland
Not good enough, ban lootboxes outright.
The vidya industry's revenue will collapse overnight, but at least there won't be all that revenue generated from sick people with addictions.
Don't you ever wonder why you get a random pile of trading cards every now and then from steam? It's called a trigger.
Sure, it won't catch you, but it'll catch people with actual problems, next thing they know they've burned stupid money on nothing.
2c16d0 No.15029519
>>15029482
>conflating the regulating of lootboxes/online gambling to complete and total loss of agency on the internet
Yeah, nah. You're a cunt. Putting the screws to loot boxes is nothing but a good thing.
ee0b6e No.15029521
>>15029512
Indeed.
WHAT IS A VPN
10421e No.15029523
>>15029516
Banned in Holland means banned in the EU.
a09aa9 No.15029525
>>15029515
They are still selling the lootboxes though. Instead of getting rid of them even in just one country, they are instead disabling trading. I fully understand the dutch logic behind it and have used that argument myself (ie overwatch lootboxes, unlike CS, are not gambling because you cannot do anything but lose money), but all they are doing is restricting players more rather than improving anything.
9d441b No.15029526
>>15029521
VPN companies keep track of your shit and sell the data to jewgle, anon.
358925 No.15029533
>>15029521
Look at russia and china. They were smart enough to ban vpns too. At least that worked for non-neets and companies. Some random hacker might get away with it, but not a normalfag anymore, because the sites where you get those proxies and vpns themselves are banned and all their ips.
358925 No.15029535
>>15029526
And sitting on this website without VPN means your data of visiting 8chan goes directly to federal government.
2c16d0 No.15029536
>>15029525
>all they are doing is restricting players more rather than improving anything
That's just a panic mode band-aid until someone with a greater understanding of the law being used comes along and tells them exactly what they need to do to avoid being prosecuted.
Expect Valve's reaction to get worse before it gets better.
10421e No.15029541
>>15029526
Protip: Use ProtonVPN, it's open source and made by a team who are 100% committed to internet anonymity (they also run ProtonMail, the encrypted mail service, and keybase, the encrypted chat program).
299e2b No.15029542
>>15029482
Good, ban it. I want paid lootboxes to be treated the same as gambling.
b6d1c2 No.15029543
>>15029541
>Proton
I like that name, It sounds cool.
a09aa9 No.15029547
>>15029536
In either case they won't be removing the lootboxes and the only thing that will happen is players suffer more.
10421e No.15029549
>>15029525
The trading is the problem, that's what turns it from a fun in-game reward into currency. There are websites where you can sell your lootboxes for cash money, this is a huge industry that is encouraging a pattern of gambling behavior in small children, something we know will set them up for a lifetime of failure and poverty.
10421e No.15029552
>>15029543
I always thought the name was retarded but okay. It''s a good VPN, I can tell you that much.
8bc17e No.15029553
>>15029533
I sincerely doubt the EU could pass a law that blanket bans VPNs unless they could fabricate some bullshit about child porn distribution to trick the retarded public into supporting it. But the same goes for monetization of all online files, normalfags would go into flying rage if they couldn't share their hot facebook memes.
10421e No.15029560
>>15029553
They would LOVE to ban VPNs, but not only is it practically spaeking impossible, it's also too egregious an attack on civil liberties even for the EU to try it (yet). They did try to ban TOR, but again this is impossible to enforce and in practise is a meaningless gesture.
2c16d0 No.15029561
>>15029547
>the only thing what will happen is players suffer more
Fuck off with that bullshit. The only players that are going to suffer are those with gambling addictions or the faggots trying to "make money" via trades.
Play something else.
a09aa9 No.15029568
>>15029549
Trading is the problem if you care about the children. I don't give a shit about the children and you shouldn't either, as someone who cares about the games themselves it's the lootboxes themselves that are the problem.
a09aa9 No.15029571
>>15029561
They are still players though. I want valve to suffer, not them.
65e7bb No.15029573
STEAMKIKES BTFO
BASED HOLLAND
c49b15 No.15029576
While we're here, any of you have a legit i2p guide with list of useful links? So I wont google myself into not caring about it?
00e8c6 No.15029579
>>15029482
>the subtle note of butthurt in that notice
kek
22ec15 No.15029580
>>15029482
>regulating gambling is muh free speech
I didn't know EA shilling here. No one cares about your gambling garbage shit regulated by the government or not. Frankly government exist because of shit companies like you, stopping corporations from extorting people.
ffcf0f No.15029581
>>15029482
>you're retarded if you think it's OK
No, I'm just not a Jew. Fuck the companies, now cancer can fight caner.
2c16d0 No.15029588
>>15029571
>think of the addicts
This will do nothing but help them. Again, fuck off with your concern trolling bullshit.
a818d9 No.15029596
>the dutch
>europe
Different legislatures. Rest assured if the EU legislators cough up a law about loot boxes it will be to restrict choice, surveil customers and control money flow towards their pockets. The Dutch law sounds more like your typical populistic PR gag that isn't thought through in the slightest but makes polls shift favorably.
4a689c No.15029598
>>15029482
Jewish practices should be regulated and banned if they're fucking retarded like lootboxes.
10421e No.15029600
>>15029568
> I don't give a shit about the children and you shouldn't either
Yeah fuck the future amiright?
#YoLo
#ChildFree
#GoodGoy
9a2a51 No.15029601
>>15029482
>Lootboxes get fucked.
>But only in The Netherlands.
>OP thinks this is somehow bad.
d226c2 No.15029602
>>15029560
It would also put massive dents in their economies because practically all major companies use a VPN to funnel their shit between offices all over the globe.
Banning VPNs would fuck their communications and depending on the company they may just leave and move their offices somewhere else.
685879 No.15029604
>>15029482
> images and links will be monetized
can anyone fucking explain to me how this works? this just sounds like some cyberpunk bullshit.
10421e No.15029606
>>15029602
Yes they'd need a special exemption for business, any legislation they drew up would be a nightmare of complexity and unenforceability.
10421e No.15029608
>>15029604
It doesn't work, it's totally retarded. The idea is, every single thing that is uploaded must be monitored 24/7 to make sure it doesn't violate any copyright claims, and if it does, the host gets hit by a fine. This fine applies not only to the host of the images, but to anyone who even LINKS to the images.
ffcf0f No.15029614
>>15029601
>only in The Netherlands
For now. Expect other countries to start introducing their own laws. EA in particular is fucked since half their shekels come from lootcrates.
ee0b6e No.15029616
In other news, the internet filter legislation has also passed.
http://archive.is/6LynX
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html
http://archive.li/v59IX
https://www.cnet.com/news/proposed-eu-law-could-threaten-the-internet-and-memes-experts-say/
4a689c No.15029622
>>15029535
VPN or no if there's a tap on the line anywhere between you and the host or your VPN and the host you are screwed. VPN doesn't change that you dummy.
Depends on how much cash the gov wants to blow on decrypting SSL as to how boned you are.
685879 No.15029628
>>15029608
You could technically kill twitter and tumblr with it…
ALSO: if we all upload gifs or videos of people sucking off a crocodile or a dolphin somebody will have to sit through that whole thing
7b8e9c No.15029631
>>15029622
or just ban VPNs and TOR and prosecute anyone who tries setting up one like China does and save yourself the headache.
8bc17e No.15029634
>>15029622
I'm pretty sure they don't have the money to be decrypting many terabytes of encrypted traffic per second to hunt down hot copyrighted memes.
9d441b No.15029639
>>15029634
The feds practically print money out of thin air, anon.
Ever heard of fractional reserve banking?
10421e No.15029640
>>15029614
>>15029601
Also the EU is a single market, it's nearly impossible to sell anything in Europe if even one country has banned it, because you somehow have to ensure no-one in the countries it is banned in can get hold of it.
10421e No.15029642
>>15029628
Yes it would kill the internet 100%. the only sites that would be immune are the huge media conglomerates who own all the copyrights.
ca2c78 No.15029643
Oh boy I can't wait until all full priced games with random loot and not even any in app purchases still get regulated as gambling because they include games of chance. Thanks, gamers!
8bc17e No.15029646
>>15029631
It's not possible to do this in the EU. They have a facade of democracy that they must keep up, unlike China.
>>15029639
I have, but that's not quite how it works.
>here let me just print out 1 billion euros so we can send out 1 million euros worth of fines because a few media companies are lobbying us to do it
685879 No.15029667
>>15029642
So then disney stays up?
de17e1 No.15029672
>>15029541
>vpn
>free
>not selling all of your data
I'm too poor to afford one, this would be great if true
"We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network"
Swiss based indeed.
9d441b No.15029676
>>15029646
>I have, but that's not quite how it works.
They can fund their bullshit through the profits they're making off Syria.
10421e No.15029677
>>15029672
It is true, the default free options are slow as fuck but if you set up your own server (I recommend Amazon Web Service, its free) it's fast and free to use.
c1e1e1 No.15029691
>>15029526
>VPN companies
That's like saying IP companies. Your computer illiteracy is showing.
078a82 No.15029705
>>15029482
>this is just the beginning, soon you won't be able to post anything on the internet, images and links will be monetized and you'll be punished if you post them without permission or paying money, the future of the internet is fucked my friends
Yeah, and it was so much better when your BASED corporation were doing it instead (and still are anyway) amirite?
b94029 No.15029706
>regulating something based on anti-consumer business practices is the same thing as regulation based on conent/morals
Also most european countries don't have effective free speech protections to fucking begin with so it's a moot point
10421e No.15029709
>>15029690
Go give some jew-owned company your money to buy a web service then you fucktarded moron. AWS is free, idgaf if it's owned by kikes, they're not getting any money out of me.
10421e No.15029712
>>15029691
Except it isn't because there are companies who only provide VPNs, what would you call those other than "VPN companies"?
de17e1 No.15029728
>>15029677
I honestly have no idea how to set up my own server, I'll give it a look though. I usually use softether as that's decent, not sure how secure it is though.
9d441b No.15029732
>>15029709
>posting "I wonder who's behind this post.jpg" = jew-lover
I don't know how anyone can be this retarded.
>AWS is free, idgaf if it's owned by kikes, they're not getting any money out of me.
If it's free, then the price you're paying is your freedom. I bet you've never heard of this saying, faggot.
10421e No.15029740
>>15029732
>>posting "I wonder who's behind this post.jpg" = jew-lover
>I don't know how anyone can be this retarded.
Read my post again you halfwitted nigger.
>If it's free, then the price you're paying is your freedom. I bet you've never heard of this saying, faggot.
On the contrary I talk to lots of mentally unhinged morons on the internet.
96ae46 No.15029744
3f002c No.15029748
>government regulation of gambling INSIDE THINGS MARKETED TO CHILDREN, is bad
Back in the oven with you, shekelberg.
c16d82 No.15029751
Fuck off valvedrone, I'm happy for the Dutch to take a stand against this shit
21c343 No.15029754
>>15029512
Valve sells and distributes video games, they don't NEED to rely on those things. They make billions of dollars every year selling other companies' games. That said, everything in the loot boxes are obtainable, and this stupid law only applies to loot boxes where you can trade the contents. This is actually worse for the consumer than having loot boxes, because now it promotes buying loot boxes to get the things you like with a very poor random chance, instead of paying a converted cost to obtain them.
8fc6ab No.15029762
>>15029526
Joke's on you I have a banana sticker on my police record. I am the chosen people now.
0a6941 No.15029779
>>15029482
>the passive-aggresive wording in that steam update
Valve's asspain is fucking beautiful.
4db516 No.15029790
>game has multiplayer you enjoy
>releases dlcs
>children don't buy thrm
>you play the same maps over and over because matchmaking always put some dumb poor kid in the room
Lootboxes fixed that. If retards stop paying for the dlcs by buying lootboxes games will suffer.
And nobody has a reason to complain for lootboxes as long as they are not thrown in your face. Retards will be retards regardless.
d226c2 No.15029798
>>15029790
DLC is also cancer.
10421e No.15029804
>>15029790
The boxes still exist, you just can't sell or trade them to other players anymore. This turns them from gambling into an in-game reward system, which is all they were ever meant to be anyway.
53444d No.15029806
How are Article 13 and Lootboxes in any way related, you dumb retard?
419fd0 No.15029809
>>15029616
Wasn't that a non-binding directive though? Something that the countries can adopt but aren't exactly forced to do? I might be wrong but I heard that it's like that from someone
>>15029604
I don't believe they will actually implement that, even normalfags won't be retarded enough to accept that.
15162b No.15029810
>Kansspelautoriteit
Do Europeans really make up fake words for their governmental organizations?
21c343 No.15029811
>>15029804
In the end, this doesn't really do much anyway. It only applies to one fucking country.
10421e No.15029819
>>15029811
One EU country*
The EU is not like the USA, there is one single market for ALL European countries, if something is illegal in one member country it is an absolute PITA to sell it to ANY EU country. Plus there is the fact that the EU thinks this is a good law from Holland, you can bet they are already drafting their own pan-European version right now.
21c343 No.15029826
>>15029810
As an English speaker, I wouldn't be going and trying to make this point. How often do we see retarded smash cuts of words? The act of pronouncing an acronym/abbrev alone is making up fake words for government. SOPA PIPA ACTA DARPA Libertarian .. it goes on. We can't throw stones when it comes to this shit.
de17e1 No.15029830
>>15029810
What?
>>15029798
DLC isn't an issue, it's the half assed bullshit that's put into it. Call of Duty will release a dlc with literally just like a map and a bunch of skins, meanwhile Fallout NV released multiple dlc's with entirely new locations, weapons, armor, quests and characters.
10421e No.15029833
>>15029826
We really can, Dutch is the ugliest noise ever produced by a human larynx.
21c343 No.15029834
>>15029819
I just checked, I don't think Holland is part of the European Union.
10421e No.15029839
>>15029834
Holland is a province of the Netherlands, English speakers use it to refer to the whole country but this is actually wrong. But the Netherlands are part of the EU, so Holland is, too.
ee0b6e No.15029843
>>15029810
Kans=Chance
Spel=Game
Autoriteit=Authority
21c343 No.15029844
>>15029839
Oh is that so? Alright.
15162b No.15029850
>>15029843
HereinAmerica,wehaveaspacebetweenwords.HopefullyimadethislegibletoEuropean.
c454be No.15029851
>this law that prohibits lootboxes is the same one that is going to censor the internet for europoors
10421e No.15029852
>>15029842
Danish is not a lovely language, but compared with Dutch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm0Resws1Zs
10421e No.15029853
>>15029851
Nope, totally different laws.
65e7bb No.15029855
>>15029852
all are better than arabic anyway
15162b No.15029857
>>15029826
we don't call things thewhitehouse or Departmentoftransportation
10421e No.15029859
>>15029855
I'm only considering human languages.
c16d82 No.15029870
>>15029779
That's the fucking truth, I wonder if they'll ever realize they aren't the good guys
ee0b6e No.15029885
>>15029850
>>15029857
Fair point, compounds work differently in Dutch, German and Finnish to name a few.
705bd7 No.15029888
Why do I get the feeling something far far worse than lootboxes will come out of this? An even more disgusting way of exploiting people.
baa501 No.15029889
>this pisses off the kids
>they tell their parents
>they show them the message
>the parents get pissed because their children have been gambling
>more backlash for Steam
21c343 No.15029892
>>15029870
>hating on Steam
You're too young to have experienced what the death knell of PC gaming was like, all the awful software and activation and phone home DRM schemes, some of which bricked computers. PC gaming was almost killed, we were lucky to get games back then, developers were convinced by the likes of Sony and Nintendo that PC gaming was just a rampant piracy problem and that making computer games was a bad idea. Steam reinvigorated and brought back the PC gaming system, and it was better at one point, before shit companies like GameStop and Toys 'r' Us forced publishers to raise their prices so that the console market could compete.
Steam might not be doing the right thing all the time, but they're certainly not "the bad guys."
baa501 No.15029893
>>15029888
More than spying on people to sell the information to companies trying to exploit customers?
f5e4c7 No.15029894
>>15029888
settle down, hitler.
cdbd94 No.15029898
>>15029482
>regulating jewish practices means regulating free speech!
Kill yourself, EA shill
ab4240 No.15029902
>>15029852
>mfw this video brought back memories of the qt weeb Dutchwoman I once knew
>she will never gush on and on about Corpse Party to you again
>you will never learn Dutch from her again
21c343 No.15029908
>>15029898
The actual concern is that government regulation means the death of a free market. Want to see the death of innovation and experimentation? Advocate for the government to regulate this one thing, then you have no room to object when they choose to continue to over reach and abuse their newfound power.
"Those who give up their freedom to the government in the name of protecting them will never see that freedom returned."
705bd7 No.15029910
>>15029894
>>15029893
I'm just wondering what companies will do once lootboxes are no longer allowed, they're not gonna stop so something else will take its place. I wouldn't be surprised to see straight up advertisements in-game.
>playing Bayonetta 3
>about to fight a boss
>"we'll be right back after these messages"
>10 minutes later can play again after watching the obligatory advertisements
>an option comes up: "Spend $10 to disable all ads!"
>beat the boss
>bayonetta celebrates by grabbing a refreshing can of coca cola while she winks at the camera
ab4240 No.15029915
>>15029908
>implying any free market can sustain itself indefinitely
All free markets go one of two ways: it either ends up in a monopolistic state, where customers are assfucked out of anything good for them; or it ends in government regulation. As a consumer, I'd rather have government regulation.
4effee No.15029919
>>15029740
>>15029732
actually, if it's free, the price you're paying is your data. or as the saying goes: if you're not paying for the product, you are the product. free services cost money to offer, but rather than charging you directly, they monitor everything you use their service for, then sell the data to jewgle or whoever
f42870 No.15029920
they're not getting rid of lootboxes though, they're making the items from lootboxes untradeable
all this does is remove a way of obtaining items and therefore forces you to rely on lootboxes more if you want said items
i don't understand why people who dislike lootboxes think this is a good thing
even if they do end up banning lootboxes outright, they're just going to think of another way to make lodsofemone like >>15029888 said
21c343 No.15029922
>>15029910
Do you remember the DLC scheme from Human Revolution? There was an NPC who would tell you about the DLC missions, but you as the player had no way of knowing, he was telling you about missions you didn't have access to. So when you got to the end of a 20 minute conversation, then he springs on you that HEY THIS IS DLC, PAY $5 FOR THIS MISSION! You weren't required to buy it, you just couldn't do it if you didn't, thus wasting your time.
So this idea has kind of been done already, and product placement in video games has happened more than once.
baa501 No.15029924
>>15029910
Don't ever pick up a free smartphone game.
I'm not going to take away what little illusion you have left.
705bd7 No.15029928
>>15029819
This isn't actually true. Any country within the EU has a right to restrict trade and products as long as they adhere to strict criteria set out in Article 34 TFEU. One such reason is for "public policy", lootboxes could easily come under that if they spin it by saying it's gambling for children which they clearly are. The restriction of a specific service or product within one member state does not prevent the service or product existing in any other member state, it's perfectly legal for someone from the Netherlands to go to Belgium, buy stuff on the steam marketplace, then go back to the Netherlands.
t. Law Student with European Law background.
283a50 No.15029931
>>15029482
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
I am retarded if I think it's OK to give all the control to the government.
21c343 No.15029933
>>15029928
You're not wrong, but what he's suggesting is that this will influence other EU states to impose the same kind of restriction, or that the whole of the EU body might. Which we've seen happen before.
a62900 No.15029934
>>15029515
>do you really want a whole generation to grow up addicted to gambling?
yes, I want retarded idiots to ruin their lives
10421e No.15029939
>>15029919
They can have fun trying that, given that I use their service to host an encrypted VPN.
8394c7 No.15029941
>>15029482
OP, you stupid fucker.
These laws have been in place for years, in some cases decades.
When The Battlefront 2 shitshow happened a lot of people started reporting lootboxes to various gambling authorities as being in violation of the law. Investigations were started and many countries already made a ruling on whether or not lootboxes violated their regulations.
They're just enforcing already existing laws.
baa501 No.15029942
>>15029928
>it's perfectly legal for someone from the Netherlands to go to Belgium, buy stuff on the steam marketplace, then go back to the Netherlands.
Not only that, crossing the border takes zero paperwork.
7f6386 No.15029943
>>15029902
Would you like to talk about it, anon?
705bd7 No.15029944
>>15029933
Personally I don't think this decision will influence much in the wider scope of the EU, mainly because I already believe they're dead set on implementing it already. I see this as Netherlands jumping the gun. It's also worth noting that this only applies to items from lootboxes that can be traded between players, so something from Overwatch or Battlefront 2 will be legal but because Steam have their own marketplace, it's illegal.
Whatever, I voted Brexit so it means nothing to me.
10421e No.15029946
>>15029942
>>15029928
In this instance it won;t help you because this is an online product that is only going to be blocked in Holland itself. I guess you could play on a Belgian proxy, enjoy ur 100+ ping tho.
10421e No.15029952
>>15029944
This law will come in before Brexit kicks in tho, it will be part of UK law once it;s passed and we'll have to somehow convince our politicians to spend their time repealing it instead of passing new laws (protip: they'd rather be passing new laws, doubly so if Jeremy "I unironically love Communism" Corbyn takes office after the next election)
705bd7 No.15029954
>>15029946
The ban only refers to the ability to transfer these items. Valve have come out and said straight up you can still buy the boxes but can't use the marketplace. Meaning you could just VPN to Belgium to access the marketplace, you don't need low ping for that - that's like saying you need fast internet for E-Bay.
ab4240 No.15029956
>>15029943
Not too much, don't want to derail another thread. But she was a good girl. I just hope she's alright.
ee0b6e No.15029957
>>15029946
Depends on where you are located. If you have a proper proxy and are getting 100ms+ ping, you are doing something horribly wrong.
>>15029942
hi :3c
21c343 No.15029958
>>15029944
Steam already has a dual monetization system in place on top of the Steam market, which is keys and boxes. You can buy boxes, and for those boxes you need keys. I don't know if you can even earn keys without buying them, so all this really does is make it so that players in Holland have to fuck themselves in the ass by double dipping instead of just buying the things they want.
705bd7 No.15029963
>>15029952
The Repeal Bill is one of the most disgusting pieces of proposed legislation I've seen in a long time, yeah all EU law will be put instantly into UK law but there's a small stipulation that states ministers have the authority to change anything they want in those laws before they're implemented. It's draconian as fuck
10421e No.15029967
>>15029963
Yeah but they won't change anything, they're as clueless as any MEP and they see "child gambling" and reach for the banhammer.
8e9ec6 No.15029972
>>15029482
>>It's a good thing
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
The "I am cucked by corporations, but won't admit it" speak.
>Literally any law limiting corporation's shady practices is passed
>That's it people, you gave away all your freedom! From this point on it's impossible to be against anything goverment is gonna do. What's NEXT!? They're gonna lock us all up in labor camps! And it's not even McPrison you get send to if you fail to cover your college debt, it's gonna be a real deal!
>A law that lets goverment silence and control people is gonna be passed
>It's good because it benefits my team!
>It's good because MY team will be able to use it further down the line!
Or just silence.
705bd7 No.15029976
>>15029967
It was put in there specifically so they could change things without people knowing. Personally I find it more hypocritical that they ban item trading but still allow kids to purchase microtransactions on phones, racking up thousands on their parents bank account.
21c343 No.15029978
>>15029967
They could also just implement an age check and lock child accounts out. The whole idea that "gaming is only for children" is a long dead myth, and the fact is, the majority of "gamers" are adults aged 18 to 35.
ee0b6e No.15029982
What is probably going to happen is that Steam will reconcile with our authority so users will have to pay gambling taxes on those product. (((EU))) happy, (((Valve))) happy.
d8d7aa No.15029985
Reminder that these (((people))) have pets, families, and addresses.
c16d82 No.15029986
>>15029892
I'm talking about Valve and the games they develop. If you'd notice: this thread is about how they monetize their games, not how they distribute other people's games. What's more, I was playing PC games before steam and I'll be playing them afterwards so keep your self righteous bullshit to yourself.
705bd7 No.15029990
>>15029982
I'm 100% okay with taxes on lootboxes so long as the money is used properly **which we all know it wont*. If companies can monetise idiots, so should we.
705bd7 No.15029996
>>15029990
fucked that up, that's what 24+ hours awake does to you
21c343 No.15029998
>>15029990
I mean hey, that's what Something Awful does.
24d812 No.15030001
this is a good thing, OP is a faggot as always.
ae66d2 No.15030018
>lootboxes are illegal now
>game companies can't do anything about it
DANCE THREAD
d8d7aa No.15030039
>>15030018
They didn't get rid of lootboxes.
They just fucked the dutch and nobody else.
00e8c6 No.15030040
>>15029833
>coming from an anglo
Kankerengelse met hun schijttaal. Op de dag van Vergelding zullen jullie niet gespaard blijven.
10421e No.15030052
>>15030040
Sorry I don't speak Klingon.
ae66d2 No.15030054
>>15030039
>fucked the dutch
If getting fucked means that my people won't waste their money on Jewish microtransaction practices then I want to get fucked too.
02c7eb No.15030055
You're not likely to be locked up for posting links or dank memes. You're not likely to be locked up for piracy. What this whole push is for, however, is to censor the net. Specifically, any sites that have bad goyim, any video on YT that uses BBC, ITV, RT etc. footage to highlight immigration problems, will be censored.
d8d7aa No.15030070
>>15030054
Considering I paid for my EvE maid using a 600$ knife I got out of my first and only lootbox i'm going to go ahead and say I don't mind the system.
f6b29d No.15030071
>>15029790
You do know back in the day developers would just add new maps for free, and include the tools they used to make your own.
f8b4f3 No.15030073
>>15030054
Your people can still buy the lootboxes, it's just that now if someone wants a particular skin, he has to keep buying lootboxes in the hopes of getting said skin, instead of simply buying the skin from some merchant.
ee0b6e No.15030085
>>15030040
Kalmpjes aan, mijn vriend. Sla je woede op voor de herrovering, dat is veel effectiever.
101ef1 No.15030091
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
>implying anybody wants to give all control to the government
>implying you don't go on /pol/ daily
705bd7 No.15030092
>>15030073
>>15030054
I feel like this is even worse
>no you can't buy what you want but you can keep buying lootboxes until you get the item you want :^)
This just means the Dutch have to keep buying lootboxes to get whatever shitty knife skin they want which is probably more expensive (unless they're lucky, which is counterproductive to wanting to stop gambling). Really, people should just stop fucking buying them anyway.
ffcf0f No.15030098
>>15030092
>giving a shit about subhumans that pay money for skins
It's like you don't understand what euthanasia is.
2ab4be No.15030099
>>15029482
Eurotrash ruin everything yet again. Triple A games are just going to get worse now. Either they come up with some new lootbox substitute but now there is a precedent for legislating game content, or they start making development cycles shorter and budgets lower so games just get worse and worse.
Basically, developers sell games for $60, knowing that some people are willing to pay more, but not everyone. Ideally, if someone wants to pay them $80 for their game, they should be allowed to sell it flr $80, but the price tag can't say '$60 or $80'. Shit like lootcrates and special editions that have like $2 of content but cost an.extra $10 exist as a way to let people who are willing to pay more money pay more. It's not 'evil money stealing' if pwople want to pay it voluntarily. Fucking Eurotrash are all idiots if they can't even figure that out.
705bd7 No.15030101
>>15030098
you're right anon
ace420 No.15030105
>>15030092
People don't buy lootboxes for the visuals, if they really wanted that they could just mod the game a bit and get the same effect. People buy them because you can make a profit if you get a good roll.
ffcf0f No.15030113
>>15030099
>Triple A games are just going to get worse now
Can't get any worse than they are now.
f8b4f3 No.15030124
>>15030113
Never say never.
>>15030105
Obviously some people do want the skins, because they think it looks good, or they want the status symbol(using a rare skin, instead of a common pleb skin), because otherwise they wouldn't have value in the first place, if nobody wanted to use them. It's not just the rarity of an item, but also the demand for it. Plus, I though you couldn't mod skins in multiplayer games, only in singleplayer games, though I might be wrong on this.
2ecb3a No.15030126
>>15029482
thanks cuck-U. maybe next time you can ban pubg too you fucking communists
ace420 No.15030140
>>15030124
You can (or at least could) mod them in, the thing is that only you can see them and no one else.
f8b4f3 No.15030147
>>15030140
Who would actually do that? They want other people to see their skins. It's like a richfag buying a Lamborgini to flaunt his social status, not because the car has the best miles per galon.
00e8c6 No.15030167
>>15030147
>Who would actually do that?
Did you forget how people used to download tons of skins from mod sites that only they could see because they looked cool. That's how it used to be before Valve corrupted it all.
9d400f No.15030169
>>15029790
DLC and Lootboxes fixed a problem that didn't need fixing. Custom content. Fuck off Reddit.
ff64be No.15030174
>Government becoming more totalitarian and nore of a nanny state
>cucks consider this a good thing
This is why the EU is a shithole.
f0e288 No.15030205
>>15030099
The point is that it either gets better and improves or it gets worse and it's a big step toward their death. It's not to make the industry crash, but to make the ones who are willing to make it worse crash and hard, by forcing them to either do better to attract more customers or die by making it worse.
Despite what you think, people haven't really been eating up the whole lootbox thing, it's mostly been kids using parent's credit cards and the influencers who try to make it look good, which is why this is being regulated.
If it gets worse?
GOOD
It needs to either be unbearable to force change or to be better. We lose nothing if this happens, we aren't forced to participate in their scams. And we can alert people better if they get more obvious or worse, which will be like dominos until they die.
We gain nothing by stagnation. The only thing that kills off bad practices is rocking the goddamned boat instead of letting people fuck you up like a scared idiot who's afraid of changing his situation.
8394c7 No.15030223
>ass these asshurt faggots
YOUR LOOTBOXES ARE GETTING TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU, NIGS
697d60 No.15030230
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T GET 14 YEAR OLDS ADDICTING TO GAMBLING ANYMORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
cry more turbokike
5c3571 No.15030233
>>15029526
Only the shit ones, do some research, for example Private Internet Access has been proven to not track data in court.
beeb71 No.15030261
>tfw you never bought into paid skins and now all the retards are crying over their digital wardrobes becoming worthless
713dcd No.15030262
Fuck OP and fuck his clickbait thread. It even reads identically to a Buzzfeed article: 'here's a thing and here's how you feel about it.' The EU isn't killing lootboxes because the EU would never do anything to benefit its vassal states. The letter isn't even about getting rid of them, just that in their current iteration, they violate one law from one country. The letter even includes a way to keep lootboxes going in accordance with the law. Sage for shit thread with its (1) and done OP.
ac63b1 No.15030270
>>15029482
>>15030262
>It even reads identically to a Buzzfeed article
I can see the title already:
>"Lootboxes are getting banned… and that's a bad thing!"
713dcd No.15030279
>>15030270
But it's being done by the EU and God help me if the soygoys don't adore that Communist superstate.
54a530 No.15030280
>>15030039
There was anyone else was left to fuck over other than the Dutch?
d089bf No.15030283
>>15030099
>it's not stealing if people are paying voluntarily
Technically correct, but abusing human psychology to gain a profit is still fucking evil. The World Health Organization decision to consider gaming addiction a disorder SHOULD spur governments to tamp down on corporate business practices that intentionally create games designed to be addictive, but it won't, because those companies have the money and power to deflect any sort of criticism or pain back onto the customers yet again.
It will get worse. It will ALWAYS get worse before it gets better. I don't like this decision any more than other people, because nanny-state politics have such a hard time with that fine line between heavy-handed regulation and lasseiz-faire anti-interventionism that it's virtually impossible to please people, but things won't get better until they get horrible enough for people to wake up and start actually protesting en masse.
Maybe, if the normalfags actually get pissed off enough and leave, then the major corporations die off and leave the dedicated developers around to make good games. It'll never be like the 1990's again, but we can dream.
0d7ecb No.15030295
>>15030147
People in DOTA 2 who wish the one and only Skeleton King was in the game do so.
If anyone else has the tecostume modded it they can see it too.
f8b4f3 No.15030303
>>15030283
>but things won't get better until they get horrible enough for people to wake up and start actually protesting en masse.
Or how about instead of waiting for things to be too bad, or hope the government will fix it, some like some fags do, you do your best to educate people, I am not saying you should educate everybody, since that's impossible, but start with your friends, tell them why lootboxes are a scam, and they in turn will tell some of their friends. If you think children shouldn't use them, tell the parents, if they don't care, then no amount of government regulations will fix shitty parenting.
f5e4c7 No.15030358
>>15029922
Dragon age origins as well.
>Hey warden, you hear about that badass golem in the middle of the deserted town?
>No, sounds interesting, why is it there?
>Que long conversation
>For the low price of 15.99 buy the shale dlc on the bioware site to get your own unique golem companion!
Even better, it was in the camp, essentially your homebase, so you always saw the dlc fucker.
713dcd No.15030359
>>15030283
>if the normalfags actually get pissed off
So we're leaving this up to the proles?
d089bf No.15030368
>>15030303
You can try, but some people refuse to be educated. Some people are fucking ultra-normal normalfags and refuse to accept or even acknowledge any sort of advice or assistance, and will only come to learn the truth when it personally affects them because they don't want to believe your "lies". Those are the people groups like EA and Activision and Tencent are actively marketing to because they're generally not even doing the most basic research and even if they heard something, they are absolutely willing to turn a blind eye because lolvideogames. My father is exactly like this and refuses to hear any sort of argument about anything that goes against his opinion, and accuses me of doing the same when he keeps repeating himself endlessly.
You could also run for fucking office on a campaign of common sense and anti-corruption, and when you get the most heinous shit out of the way, turn your eyes on the undue influence of large corporations. But then, that would require research and work and most importantly, way more money than most of us actually have to accomplish, and it's highly unlikely that the cabal would actually let some outsider come in and make changes, let alone actually get into office.
As far as shitty parenting, that's always going to be a thing. Niggers gonna nig, Jews gonna jew. You can't change the nature of man all the time.
8364b9 No.15030369
>>15029850
Here in America we have a spacebetweenwords (it's one object). Hopefully i made this legible to European.
See nigger, you're exagarrating
824c63 No.15030373
>>15029482
Hello fellow concerned gamer, I am also a gamer and I am concerned too about this clear abuse by the state, how dare they curb our liberties?.
713dcd No.15030374
>>15030369
>spacebetweenwords (it's one object)
Nice autism.
633501 No.15030383
>>15029482
>It started happening, EU is killing lootboxes
Good. Do you think corporations should be allowed to freely manipulate human psychology in order to maximize profits? Are you ok with cigarette ads for children, you hyper-capitalist, you?
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
You're giving into black and white thinking if you're assuming this is an all or nothing choice presented here. False dichotomy.
>this is just the beginning, soon you won't be able to post anything on the internet, images and links will be monetized and you'll be punished if you post them without permission or paying money, the future of the internet is fucked my friends
DOOM AND GLOOM! Don't choke on the black pill, anon.
2ab4be No.15030426
>>15030283
If absuing human psychology is enough of a crime to warrant an intervention like this, then advertising might as well be off the table. Showing happy families driving Hondas is equally 'exploitative'. People are always buying and selling stuff they don't really need in their lives. But every attempt to decide and predetermine what gets produced in an economy has failed. Meanwhile letting people buy and sell what they want tends to get resources where they need to be pretty reliably. Yeah there is some excess, like lootboxes, but it's marginal, as are shortages. It's stupid to try and interfere with a collective intelligence. Lootboxes will never be a problem because people can make games without them.
Molyneux did an interview earlier this year with someone who was making mobile games and asked whether it was morally right or wrong to try use psychology to make people play more than they otherwise would.
https://youtu.be/egYfNtx9f1g
8364b9 No.15030432
>>15030374
it's written niceautism, damn it!
907ced No.15030434
>>15029482
On the one hand, dead lootboxes are nice,
On the other hand, governments trying to protect people from the possibility of making poor decisions are notorious for fucking up everything, like during Prohibition.
8364b9 No.15030441
also you english fags did it with a word too.
shapeshifting
yeah explain that people. two words combined into one
dc3da1 No.15030453
>>15029614
>EA in particular is fucked
Good.
8364b9 No.15030454
oh and watchmaker and asparagussoup too.
f8b4f3 No.15030461
>>15030368
Sure there will always be people like those, and I am sorry to hear that about your father, but I personally do not believe that just limiting people to vices will fix their shitty personality, nor do I believe government should have a role n this, this a role for family, friends and maybe church. I do not like huge corporations, but neither do I like big government, but hey that's just my opinion.
>You could also run for fucking office on a campaign of common sense and anti-corruption, and when you get the most heinous shit out of the way, turn your eyes on the undue influence of large corporations. But then, that would require research and work and most importantly, way more money than most of us actually have to accomplish, and it's highly unlikely that the cabal would actually let some outsider come in and make changes, let alone actually get into office.
You also need to have an iron will, knowledge on economy and legislature so you don't get led astray by (((advisers))) and to all the stuff with the knowledge that you will most likely have one term, and playing politics is useless, otherwise you get a billionaire politician who is swimming in the swamp instead of draining it, like he promised to do.
c6fa43 No.15030473
>>15029482
Only if you use legal means. Illegal means will always be available.
And yes, killing lootboxes by ANY means is a good thing. Fuck off, EA shill.
b97c83 No.15030558
>>15029482
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
>this gambling shouldn't be regulated as gambling because reasons
get fucked
3acd4a No.15030595
Giving feminized child fuckers control of yer vidya, way 2 go euro friends
bd805b No.15030610
>>15030555
>his game shop doesn't offer returns boosters for duplicates
3cb497 No.15030695
>>15029482
>dutch only
>doesnt actually stop people from buying lootboxes, just trading them
<even though lootboxes are basically turning kids into gambling addicts
So nothing happened?
Call me when they actually make lootboxes illegal. Better yet, lets hope they make it an ex post facto law since with all the market research done they know exactly who they're selling games to, and with lootboxes clearly being gambling, they were actively pushing gambling to minors.
21c343 No.15030722
>>15030595
Those same feminized child fuckers are basically running the world…
8394c7 No.15030733
>>15030099
LOOTBOX MERCHANT FEELING THE ASSPAIN
d35c97 No.15030758
>>15030113
The more I see this shit the more disgusted I get, and I was already pretty goddamn sickened by it.
9e1b0e No.15030762
8306e3 No.15030773
They should just ban purchases within games all together, even DLC.
5ed79b No.15030774
>>15029482
Question, do you have a mutilated/circumcised penis or is yours still normal?
What is your view on government regulation?
c35596 No.15030781
907ced No.15030787
>>15030695
It just occurred to me that applying gambling regs to lootboxes won't actually do shit to stop them from being a part of vidya, it'll just funnel the money into non-profits and become nontaxable.
Congratulations, now EA can sustain itself off of 2 gravy trains instead of just the sports gravy train.
bf7958 No.15030978
>>15030741
CCGs have been used as a discussion about normalising gambling aimed at children for decades.
>put $3 into machine
>roll random number generator
>get goods that value between $1 to $20
>value is determined by what others are willing or able to pay in exchange for the goods
(numbers are estimated from memory, not indicative of what Ravinca packs cost, or will produce nowadays)
>gambling requires age restrictions, and usually some sort of framework, taxes or otherwise, to at least pretend X amount of the profits spent on gambling is recycled into the economy
>Steam obviously doesn't care about Dutch laws, why should they be exempt from its gambling regulations?
The one problem, anything the EU is for, I am instantly questioning. It is only about propping up a corrupt, ruling elite, and using mob tactics to shut down dissent from individual nations.
1c4b0d No.15030988
lol good luck with them trying to ban memes.
Just trading lootboxes will be against the rules? I can't see why the EU would go all that way to gain all that power just to stop trading lootboxes, of course we all know that they're doing this for more power over the internet.
The lootbox thing is just to get idiot helicopter moms to be in on this shit, because little Jimmy needs the big state to stop him from using mommy's credit card to buy pixels on a cancerous game about shooting people with unrealistic weapons.
3acd4a No.15031015
>>15030722
Cuz they got good goyim to do that there heavy lifting
fa06ff No.15031025
I'm probably just going to pay a Usenet provider and use that until it gets raped by government officials as well.
How's Zeronet by the way?
21c343 No.15031034
>>15030978
There's like 60 rares in every MTG set, and you get something like 45 common, 12 uncommon and 3 rare per basic deck, and then 10/4/1 for boosters. A booster is $5-10, and a deck is $15 to 30. 1 rare per booster, that's 1.66% chance for any one particular card. To ensure you get any one particular card, you would need to buy dozens of boosters, or you can play the game of chance. Let's say you get the card you want after 13 boosters, that's anywhere from $65 to $130.
It's usually easier to trade the cards you don't want for people who want them to get the cards you want. Now .. essentially .. remove the ability to trade them, and you've created the TCG scene with DRM attached to the cards that prevents trading.
People age 50 and over need to stop making regulations and laws on the internet, they don't understand how technology works, and they're just fucking everything up.
af9918 No.15031041
>>15030695
at the very least making it non-tradeable will stop some of the most egregious shit that's come out of it like the third party lotto sites because people will do anything to get that sick knife as long as they don't have to play by the rules but its a process to get this shit under control. don't give up and keep pushing for a strict ban. lootboxes have gone to far and valve is trying to pull the same bullshit defeatists do where they try to pretend it's the most recent change to lootboxes that people think is the problem instead of how patience has run out with lootboxes gradually getting more aggressive and its lootboxes as a whole
af9918 No.15031043
>>15031034
cards are the same bullshit. just me build the deck i want instead of conditioning me to gamble when im older. they're marketed to kids for a reason
21c343 No.15031064
>>15031043
Here's the thing, there's all kinds of examples of gambling in your life. You ever bought a lottery ticket? You ever played a game where dice are a factor? There might not be quite the same thing going on there, but the fact of the matter is, it works as a skinner box, you win something and it gives you dopamine, you like the thrill of the win, so you play some more. The problem is, this is natural to our minds, and not just some fucking get rich scheme. Instead of trying to stop people from exploiting human weakness, teach people to be self-sustained, teach them to exert willpower.
Fat? Put down the fucking donuts and get some exercise, don't expect me to pay for your weight loss surgery.
Drinking problem? Stop being a fucking idiot, you know that it's addictive.
Gambling problem? Learn to control yourself, you don't need to get that stupid high every time you "win" $5 (after spending $20); you're still in the red, but the dopamine makes you think you're in the black cause "you won $5."
9128f8 No.15031115
>>15031064
>Here's the thing, there's all kinds of examples of gambling in your life. You ever bought a lottery ticket? You ever played a game where dice are a factor?
I was, in fact, unaware that lotteries and craps tables were forms of gambling. You have opened my eyes.
21c343 No.15031123
>>15031115
I was referring to roleplaying games, really. Your character's life or death hangs on the balance of dice, if you win you usually get excited, it can be addictive in the same way. Some people when they lose get so attached they get irrationally disturbed at the loss of a character.
ce00c8 No.15031152
>>15031123
You can't see how craps addiction is more life-destroying than TTRPG addiction?
bf7958 No.15031170
>>15030978
>it is easier to just purchase singles from online merchants, or local comic shops
>buying singles doesn't come with the rush of opening a pack
>buying singles doesn't come with the false mentality that you won a $20 bill
The only decent buy in for boosters was doing drafts because a night of gaming was cheaper then a movie. And even then, it gets into shifty debates about do winners get packs? the cards drafted so you play more, and discourage drafting money?
>Now .. essentially .. remove the ability to trade them, and you've created the TCG scene with DRM attached to the cards that prevents trading.
It does one thing. That your DRM pixels, your pieces of carboard with fancy ink, whatever, has only one value. And that is the value you can get for it.
>>15031064
Gambling laws, drinking laws, smoking, all generally accept the premise, if you are a thinking adult, you can spend money for your own demise. It is also heavily taxed, and promotes local business, that at least the local economy can benefit from the bad habits of its citizens.
baa501 No.15031183
>>15031152
I lost countless rainy afternoons with nothing to do, enjoying the time, WITH FRIENDS
Oh the horror.
21c343 No.15031231
>>15031170
Yeah, funny that. If the state can tax it, you can kill yourself all you want and they don't care. But you can't tax suicide or products which don't have a standard market value, so drugs are illegal and so is killing yourself.
Wanna drink yourself to death with alcohol poisoning? Go right ahead. Want to kill yourself with this product we can't regulate? We'll shoot and kill you instead.
21c343 No.15031237
>>15031183
You're full of shit.
91b48b No.15031702
Good. Maybe we can go back to a world were you pay for something and get what you want.
This rolling the dice is cancer.
8eaf51 No.15031718
>oh boy they're going to remove a thing I don't like!
You people are idiots. I swear no one is even remotely capable of a little thing called foresight. When this comes back to bite you in the ass I'll be there to tell you that I told you so, and you'll all pretend you'd known all along. Your loss.
aaf28c No.15031789
>>15031718
>Implying killing loot boxes isn't a good thing
In foresight I can see it being an issue, however right now it's a good thing.
800a83 No.15031799
1d403d No.15031874
>>15029690
more like ama(((zion)))
3135ea No.15032121
>>15031886
assblasted EA games shareholder detected.
cdbd94 No.15032132
>>15029908
>kikery is needed for innovation, goy!
>government mustn't regulate anything or it'll lead to a totality! We should be free to kill each other in the streets
Everyone look at this cucked EA shill and laugh
de64d6 No.15032151
I have seen people go from nothing to having inventories worth more then their parents savings account. I would be going against myself if I said that this is wrong.
c51a69 No.15032301
>>15029482
>>It's a good thing
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
I'm sorry that you're losing your grip on those shekels Moshe, but they're not yours.
f70d53 No.15032731
>>15029482
The EU has better laws for digital goods than it does for everything else.
EU going from EURO to In game currency when?
f70d53 No.15032743
>>15029892
>He fell for the STEAM SAVED PC GAMING meme
c51a69 No.15032766
>>15029892
>You're too young to have experienced what the death knell of PC gaming was like
You're too young to have experienced what the death knell of PC gaming was like.
03db6e No.15032853
>>15029892
>but they're certainly not "the bad guys."
4f01ac No.15032885
>>15029892
So is this the new narrative they are going with? People I mean people who played PC games back then can't possibly be dumb enough to believe this garbage.
75bcd4 No.15033408
>>15030099
You are some combination of retarded, ignorant and evil.
The nasty thing about the lootcrates is that they cost not an extra $20, but an extra $200, $2000, $20000 and even $200000 sometimes. Nobody would have a problem if you could spend an extra $20 to get all the extra shit. Or even an extra $200, as long as you can buy it directly instead of as some bullshit RNG that they won't even reveal the percentage of. They could make the percentages of the items you don't have yet lower as you get closer and closer to a "full set" and nobody would even realize. I garauntee some are doing exactly this. These systems are evil and need to be shut down.
937409 No.15033909
>>15033408
>lootboxes cost 6 gorillion dollars
Then don't buy them.
>but they ruined my game
Holy fuck, sorry that not every game is perfect and that developers make poor decisions sometimes. Are you going to propose a law ordering all games to be 'good'? If a game is running over budget and they cut a feature to stay under budget, are they criminals? Like legit, are you saying it should be illegal for them to make bad decisions?
>it's gambling, people shouldn't be allowed to do it
Has legislation EVER succeeded in telling people what they are and aren't allowed to.spend their money on? How do you enforce this? Fines to developers? What if they don't pay? Use force? You're implying that lootboxes are worth using force up to and including murder to stop, assuming you want the government and all of its armed forces to back the legislation up.
The few people who are actually damaged by their own voluntary and completely optional spending habits are not going to become productive members of society or great thinkers just because you take away their gambling outlet. They're bio-debris; don't act so hell-bent on defending them. They, consumers, are resources meant to be harvested by producers, and trying to humanize bio-debris with victimhood narratives is fruitless. And dumb.
ca9fc7 No.15033920
>>15029482
>Implying this is a bad thing.
Are you fucking retarded or are you just some fucking shill from /leftypol/, or an industry fag?
Yeah, let's get kids to spend money on gambling for virtual items, that's a really great idea.
To the non-shills here: This is only a good thing, especially if you're complaining about the game industry all the time. The more over regulation, the bigger chance of a crash happening, since the regulations would scare away the (((money men))) and cucks. If you want to save vidya, keep praying for a massive world wide industry crash to (((they))) will lose money and hope someone would take over from the clean slate.
f23a58 No.15033934
>Lootboxes are haram
>But they're ok if you can't trade the items they give you!
wew lad
8ea450 No.15033950
>>15029482
And slavery should be legal as well if it benefits big corporations, right?
6bdc2c No.15033958
>>15033950
Yes XDDDddddd look how edgy i am
do i fit in now ;-;
f23a58 No.15033962
>>15033950
But everyone would benefit if the government started shoving niggers into cages instead of letting them roam the streets
38a047 No.15033963
>Shit ruining the industry gets blocked
>BUT THINK OF THE FUTURE GOYIM
I rather no video games than a raped and burned corpse. Fuck off, kike.
8394c7 No.15034409
>>15033963
I'm really surprised how many people are defending lootboxes ITT.
>but the free market will fix it goyim, anything governments do ever is bad :^)
550edd No.15035344
>>15029514
Came here to post exactly this. Fuck this gay earth
c6fa43 No.15035591
>>15031886
Still impotent eh shill. All deformed kikes are impotent?
b6cf3f No.15035626
aa0b24 No.15035666
b30099 No.15035673
>>15029482
EU is dying. Wake me up when a real government with any power does something.
d089bf No.15035676
>>15033963
>>15034409
Just because one option is worse, doesn't mean both options are bad. The ideal scenario that will never happen without severe changes is companies wake up and start policing themselves, sacrificing some of their profits to actually make high quality products that aren't explicitly designed to take advantage of peoples' addictive tendencies.
Not "take a loss", but very specifically sacrifice billions in profits to make people happier and more willing to purchase their products. EA, Activision, Bethesda, Blizzard, and their ilk all bank on taking advantage of weak-minded normalfags and treat them like a piggy-bank. Their focus groups and analysts are like-minded yes-men that feed them the same shitty advice, and they only legitimately care about concerns from their investors. If they tried to reach out to the public and heard legitimate concerns from long-time fans, they might honestly be able to make games better for everyone in the long-run, which would improve their standing, end some of those long-running individual boycotts, and in general make people more willing to purchase their products when the bad PR wears off.
Of course, this will never happen. The system does not encourage that, and laws in place are insufficient for protecting the public. The whole diseased system must collapse under its own bloated weight and the people at the top need to be brought to heel before anything can get better.
Depending on your point of view, this decision is both good and bad. It's accelerationism, forcing companies to rethink their marketing strategies out of fear of litigation and nanny-state politics, which only brings about the next shitty trend and turns off even more people. Yes, it makes things worse for us, but the worse it gets, the more people will fuck off back to their lives and out of our hobby.
8b7ab7 No.15035699
>>15029482
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
You're retarded for saying this when two of the top 10 boards are populated almost solely by proponents of authoritarian socialist ideologies.
d2b76d No.15035764
>>15029482
Go cry in a corner, EA pootbox shill.
Loot boxes are gambling with no return to the customer, marketed to children. Go Konami for all I give a shit and market gambling to adults, but fuck you right to the hell you came from for marketing gambling to children. I hope microtransactions follow suit.
c2cbb8 No.15035775
>you're retarded if you think it's ok to give all the control to the jewish government
Fixed that for you op.
412135 No.15035799
enemy of my enemy is not my friend but if one of them kills the other I'll still dance on their grave
079d79 No.15035824
>>15031034
With cards it's slightly different because of the fact that each season you see the new releases and plan a deck to make, you already know what you want before you open the first pack. The cards in themselves aren't important to you. The complete deck is. With lootboxes, it's not that people like the fact they got a purple gun, it's the instance where they get the purple, they like the box opening animation more than the actual jpeg. It's how overwatch does it where you can see what item quality you have before you actually know what item it is. That "feeling" of knowing you got a rare item, before you know the item itself is what the gamber chases.
Personally I see this law being pushed by 2 sides. One would be the 30 year old feminists who appeal to emotion and muh children, whereas the other would be rich jews who see are trying to remove choice from people who are only entering the market, the ones who aren't gamblers yet. These people would buy maybe 10 crates, get fed up and just go to the marketplace and buy the rarest shit they can. The jews would rather you spend money on 200 lootboxes so that choice is removed. It's why I think that they didn't just outright ban lootboxes. **which should be done tbh. There is nothing of value lost"" and instead removed the chance for new people to sidestep the system.
>>15035699
It's actually 2 of the top 5. Leftypol even at position 5, you'll always be irrelevant :^)
9ea6cc No.15035845
Good, any game that has loot boxes at all deserves to die
38a047 No.15035895
>>15035775
Laws limiting usury should have been a thing from the start.
0d7ecb No.15035917
>>15035824
>With cards it's slightly different because of the fact that each season you see the new releases and plan a deck to make, you already know what you want before you open the first pack. The cards in themselves aren't important to you. The complete deck is.
This system sounds exactly like "complete gacha" which even the land of nippon explicitly banned because it was too foul for their lands.
219222 No.15035937
>dutch
Oh, so it's nothing.
550edd No.15036095
>>15035673
The EU won't die until Uncle Shmuel says that the EU needs to die.
079d79 No.15036189
>>15035917
It's every real life trading collectible card game ever. In magic they just made some shit cards every expansion to make it seem like they do more work. You'd make a deck or look one up online and then you would specifically aim for those cards. Once you needed 5 or so then you'd trade for them.
The real jewry in this is online TCGs. They shouldn't even be called TCGs though since there is no "trading" in them, unless it's trading your money for random card packs, so you are forced to randomly gamble for cards.
be8804 No.15036356
>its a /v/ doesn't fucking know how computers work episode
fuck
>>15029521
>>15029541
you have no way of knowing for a fact whether or not the vpn service is telling the truth about their logging policy. you only have their word for it, there is no way for them to prove it to you. you can only know for a fact based on whether or not the cops show up at your door or not.
>>15029622
public key encryption does not work that way, retard. anyone in-between can only see the public key which is useless to them because it only encrypts, not decrypts.
>decrypting ssl
see below
>>15029639
physically impossible with our technology even for DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
for fucks sake at least google "how the fuck does encryption work" before you start talking out your asses.
c63fae No.15036483
>>15036356
>physically impossible with our technology even for DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
The jews have their tentacles in everything even things that aren't real yet
bb1338 No.15036510
>>15033920
>are you just some fucking shill from /leftypol/
Look man, I agree with you that OP is an incredibly huge faggot, but wanting less government regulation and making idiotic "gooberment is going to murder us over lootboxes!" claims like >>15033909
over here is making is very much a libertarian/right wing thing. The left generally wants MORE regulation, not less.
c63fae No.15036533
>>15033909
These boards got a lot more enjoyable when I realized posts like this were from literal schizoids, retards with 80 IQ, or just children.
8c8fa6 No.15037015
>>15029482
slippery slope fallacy at its finest, mouthbreathing retard
82febc No.15037539
>>15037015
Slippery slope isn't a fallacy with the EU you stupid subhuman nigger kike.
9a9a06 No.15037584
Glad to see OP the kike shill get the response he deserves.
bb1338 No.15037597
>>15037539
Slippery slope is always a fallacy. The only people who use it are rats with an agenda and the useful idiots who follow them.
e01008 No.15037609
>>15037597
>slippery slope
>a fallacy at all
Yeah, you're retarded.
6e92ef No.15037623
>>15037609
He's a kike, don't pretend maleficent people are dumb, they're peddling their bullshit for a reason.
6e92ef No.15037631
>>15037609
Oh shit, I completely misread the reply chain, that's some fuckery on my part spotting an ip hopping retard and worthless gecko browsers freezing every fucking minute.
f24b74 No.15037677
Personally I'd prefer people taking some initiative and not being retards with their money/ not letting their kids play with their credit cards to Government regulation, but maybe that's asking too much.
dbb3e4 No.15037709
>>15029482
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
hi EA
you should try making a decent star wars game instead of shitposting here
dbb3e4 No.15037832
>>15037815
>I want to go to a communist country to celebrate communism by practicing capitalist consumerism
?????????
f98adc No.15037858
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
EAT SHIT EAFAGS
EAT SHIT VALVE
8b7ab7 No.15037868
>>15037832
It is if you're a proponent of an authoritarian socialist ideology.
2cc375 No.15037900
>>15037858
Normally I would agree, but with recent events I wonder where they will stop and if this isn't just an excuse to regulate the fuck out of vidya banning shit left and right.
ffcbf9 No.15037901
Anything that kills CS:GO is good in my eyes. That shit killed every last bit of fun left in online games.
69658e No.15037940
This thread makes it painfully clear how successfully this industry has normalized its inflated service model to its consumers. As far as I'm concerned, if video games ever end up reverting to a state before DLC and microtransactions where you can just own a copy of a relatively complete game that you can enjoy without being upsold and datamined then I will consider it cause for celebration, regardless of how much separation anxiety it creates for anyone.
With the help of corporations and willing guinea pig consumers alike, the internet has done more to fuck up video games than improve them. I want a divorce.
279467 No.15037949
>>15029482
>you're retarded if you think it's OK to give all the control to the government
What a fucking homo. Who let lolbergs on /v/?
9ab4f5 No.15037998
>>15037868
>Anything that kills CS:GO is good in my eyes. That shit killed every last bit of fun left in online games.
Completely with you, microtransactions is a thing, but making a cryptocoin bubble market out of a child hobby is overjewing your jewness.
4e5c8a No.15038004
>>15037940
>I want a divorce
I'm already there. Your observation of vidya's service model reminded me that microtransactions are like a miniature form of retail therapy, where your therapist would recommend you go out and buy a really fancy nice gadget or whatever so that you can feel at least a brief period of happiness.
b8ea20 No.15038010
>Fucking loot boxes need to be outlawed
>Wait no not like that
cd5741 No.15038025
GET FUCKED, NIGGERLANDS
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69658e No.15038106
>>15038004
>retail therapy
Therapists actually recommend that? Good thing I never shelled for therapy holy shit.
4e5c8a No.15038171
>>15038106
It was recommended more around the late 90's and early 00's but then someone got the bright idea that it's more important for someone to be able to pay for basic living expenses and the practice was halted.
c6fa43 No.15038246
>>15029892
All who profit are the bad guys.