/v/ - Video Games

why do you care

>>14997381

I'm curious how people rank the standards of gameplay that most people should be familiar with.

Having critical thinking

unlike the op

>>14997401

why

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care

>>14997414

I'm curious how people rank the standards of gameplay that most people should be familiar with.

>>14997372

>Can you be considered good at games if you're only good at one genre

Yes, if it's several games of that genre.

>>14997425

do care why you

>>14997411

Nailed it.

>>14997372

You are not qualified to even dare to talk about vidya if you've never beat the first world in Super Mario 3

that's the lowest i'm willing to lower the bar

making it past the water level in any 16bit Sonic would also be a low entry point

but that's mostly for console kiddies wich was my generation, there were also the revered elders who played text based computer games, Point & Clicks, Doom but they were on another level, not sure if there are any left who started gaming that long ago

you gotta beat le epic water temple in Zelda 64, haha.

It doesn't matter, and only faggots care

How about having fun?

>>14997372

just play what u like and enjoy and stop caring about some faggots saying u not a real gamer hur durr or u suck at games or whatever. who the fuck cares as long as you have fun all good.

and if you like to play those xtra hard games that are very hard to master, good for you. go for it. and if you like all those mobile games, so what. it rly doesnt matter.

>>14997401

Hey now im interested to

Not all genres carry over their skillset so it's not a clear cut "ok now you are a gamer" moment, but people with good twitch aim/reflexes and a competitive drive will probably be good at anything they care to try.

You just need to play good video games

>>14997372

Mega Man X off the top of my head. Self explanatory.

>>14997936

but there is no fun without challenge

>>14997372

To be considered "Good at games" I think someone has to be able to be competent in every genre. I knew this one guy back in college who was great at Soul Cal II and racing games but when it came to shooters, it looked like that video of Polygon playing NuDoom. For some reason his brain couldn't process aiming and moving at the same time.

I don't have that problem. I can pick up a game from any genre and not look like a complete retard playing it.

>>14997372

PvP games.

>>14997490

>you are now realizing shareware no longer introduces people to gaming

the horror

I think completing a game like Mario 64 is basically all you really need in regards to acumen. It's the first fully 3d exploration based style of game rarely has it been improved uponLeIf you can handle Mario 64 you can handle just about any game.

>>14998624

This.

>>14999329

I agree when it comes to matters of taste but I find it utterly meaningless in terms of raw ability. Someone who is good at Call of Duty will probably show similar levels of competence in Wake 3 given enough time to adjust. But you make a solid case on the basis that the typical COD player thinks Quake 3 is some Grandpa game.

>>14997372

Reminder that DSP is on the verge of suicide right now.

>>14999329

I'm sorry, but this is single-handedly the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read on here, and this site has many layers of fucking stupid.

>>14997372

Here's an actual thought for everyone. Think for yourself. Instead of trying to seek

acknowledgment from some group of assholes on image board that is pretty much a fractured, and damage version of what it used to be because of one day the owner of the original board decided to cuck out, and fucked them dry. The advice that I can honestly say will give you most in life, is leave this place because there isn't anything really here, but a bunch of sad losers, who apparently have no real circle of friends in real life, or even on some other form of media, so they come here to bitch and moan and never do anything to help, or change anything fuck if you know the actual stories of what 4chan actually was before this trash pile existed was goldmine of best the internet could honestly offer, and now all that exists in its place is an sjw spin off it, and the aborted fetus that is 8chan. Your question is dumb, your choice to ask something that so irrelevant to gaming and expecting this place to answer it with even an ounce of actually being reputable to do so is dumb, the fact I put so much effort into this retard paragraph is dumb. What the fuck are you actually thinking when you come to talk about something deep on a website where pedo's and people I would keep my on just because I worry they would try to fuck my dog while my back is turned, do yourself a favor as I'm doing the same. Find a group of people become friends with them and ask them these things because asking the retarded kid who eats glue in the corner is not who you should ask.

The moth lady in Nioh makes me feel like a fucking casual. I have most of her moves down, I just think I built my character poorly or am not getting her red spin attack down right.

>>14997372

Casual is a mindset more than a lack of skill.

A casual can complete any game given the time necessary to win by ramming their head into the wall, but they will have no real understanding of the mechanics beyond "[button] does [thing]"

>>14998624

>>15000118

Second

if you can't speed run super mario world then u a faggy caz ma boi

I've pretty much never mastered anything, because I get bored of games when I start getting good at them. I like to struggle.

>>14999795

They call it free to play now.

>>14997372

This doesn't exist.

It's like asking what sports someone have to master to be good at sports.

Or what types of artsyles an arttsist has to master in order to be a good artist.

There's no metric, you can say a person is pretty skilled but there may always be someone better than them. Even if you consider averages, it doesn't mean much. Not to mention most games vary significantly, one acheive better results in one genre or specific game, and fail in others, or just be super skilled in one and below average in most others.

Also, why do you care.

I mean, why are you "curious about how people rank the standards of gameplay that most people should be familiar with"?

It shouldn't matter.

>>15000413

>Boomerteen enters the thread to give a harsh life lesson

>>14997372

To be good at games, in the purest sense, is to research and collect only the games worthy of collecting and playing. To be the best at a game that lined the skinny denim pockets of a sjw indie darling, is after all no great feat at all and quite the opposite. So, to be good, is to be informed. There is no greater time than losing yourself in the great work of a great dev and dev team who built a world with your entertainment in mind. Do we need others to tell us what good is?

>>15000413

>don't discuss videogames on the videogames board

I'm sorry, but this is single-handedly the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read on here, and this site has many layers of fucking stupid.

>>14998173

Not entirely true. There's comfy.

>>14998624

I think casual doesn't concern with knowledge about the art: what is good and what isn't. Like the difference between a cinephile and some random moviegoer. Not necessarily taste (skill, in the vidya sense), but education (experience). Basically >>14999329

>>14998624

To add to this anon, I think a difference between a casual and an expert, is curiosity, the casual isn't really curios to try out new stuff, especially if it's older(has bad graphics or some archaic game mechanics) or not as popular, whereas an expert(couldn't find a better term) will try out anything, if it looks like it would be interesting or fun, even text-based adventure games. Sure the casual might try and play Zork, but only because it's extremely popular, and he wants his gamer/hipster creed, or because his friends are playing, but he will never try out other text games, or think about the experience and what gaming meant back then, or the industry has evolved, for him it's a chore he has to endure in order to be recognized, hell he might just play for 30 minutes and say, I am done, I played Zork.

Basicallt, it's a problem of attitude and not skill.

>>14999329

I think knowledge and understanding of a game(mechanics, soundtrack, level design, story) are more important than knowledge of the industry, though I guess understanding why denuvo is bad, could be put in both categories.

>>14999329

Why not both skill and knowledge?

>>15001101

They go hand-in-hand, really.

If you know more about a game, you can play it better, and the better you're able to play a game the more you stand to learn about it.

>>15000628

Don't get greedy when attacking her, you have all the time in the world. You can also block many attacks, most importantly her ranged attacks.

>>14999329

you're saying game journos are top tier players then huh. don't need skill, just mostly irrelevant knowledge

>>14997372

I'd go with about any earlier Kirby game, anyone who struggles with the copy ability needs a new hobby.

>all these low-skilled frauds

For me to respect someone who plays videogames, they have to be knowledgable on the industry AND know how to play games. Only players with both attributes can actually break games down in enough detail to actually help the industry improve. Difficulty, as an example, is a big talking point and if someone can't clear hard modes in a videogame they will be unable to talk about difficulty seriously or even know how to solve the problem of artificial difficulty in games, because they don't know enough to begin with.

I also think competency in multiplayer games is important. I know it's trendy to hate on MP shooters here, but it does tie into skill. I can't take someone seriously when they've played nothing but console rpgs and single player games, yet they think they have the right to complain about MP shooters. My minimum standards are:

>cleared Vanquish on Hard

>cleared DMC4 on Dante Must Die

>must have a KDA greater than or equal to 1 in any MP shooter with a deathmatch/team deathmatch mode

"Luxury" standards would be playing devil daggers to at least 200 seconds, clearing the newer Fire Emblem titles on Tactician/Classic mode, and playing a CAVE shmup (especially Mushihimesama).

If you want to criticize something, you need to have experience and skill in it. If you don't have the experience you're a parrot. If you don't have the skill, you haven't got enough knowledge of the game's flaws/shortcomings because you can't play it at a relatively high level where those flaws become apparent.

>>14997411

You just called the majority of Vee casuals.

You aren't wrong.

>>15001617

But gamer IS the buzzword, little nigger.

>>15000136

Really? Please, tell us more.

>>15001700

checked. dubs demand it

>>15001698

Anon, at the EA conference over the weekend the redhead presenter used the word "gamers" a ton, just saying.

>>15001707

&? When the fuck has EA ever been in touch?

>>15001704

In one of his recent vlogs he talked about hearing voices in his head telling him to destroy everything he loves.

>>15001764

That spic rat loves nothing but himself. The only way 2018 could be salvaged is if both him and Spoony commit suicide.

>>15001764

How do we get the voices to say 'Do it, faggot!'?

>>15001778

I think you're thinking of PissedPedro

DSP is 25%Italian and75%polish a fact he gets mad at if you bring it up

>>15001289

They are actually very ignorant when it comes to good games.

>>14997372

You should be able to at least finish the original Mega Man without save state faggotry to consider yourself anything but a retard.

>>15001816

I don't think any definition that rests on a game generations old is going to hold up, whether or not that is true.

>>15001816

None of this matters, you autistic fucks. Just play what you like. If you want to detect a casual is really simple, if he plays AAA trash then he is one.

>>15001816

What if I don't have time to play it all once and use savestate faggotry?

>>14999329

I'd say it isn't even proper skill but a willingness to adapt to a learning curve. It is pretty clear that game media companies aren't typically driven by people passionate about playing games, but rather politically minded writers who have a bone to pick with the people who play them.

>>15001824

So we should go by modern standards where 90% of games have checkpoints every 10 steps and 0 consequences for repeated failure?

Honestly I was just tossing out a shit reply for a shit thread, but if you really want an answer I'd say a casual would be the kind of retard that would say a game is "bad" because they're garbage at it and have no other valid reasons to support their claims.

>>15001828

Classic MM games have passwords, the longest stretch you'd have to play would be the Wily levels, and if you don't have enough time to do that in one sitting you don't have time for video games. Or anything else.

>>15001841

But the first smegman has no passswords, they get passwords after 2.

Being a casual means you're bad at games and will never get better and need to stop playing so you can stop bothering the rest of us. Unlike what your parents taught you, practice doesn't make perfect; you will always be bad and the fact that devs cater to you is proof that our society is sick and degenerate.

>>15001764

lol he's full of shit. And doing another sob story for donations

His fans are retarded enough to believe those time and time again.

As are you, it seems

Y Do

Yu Care

My baseline is that you have to have no-continue cleared at least one arcade or arcade-like game. It can be something simple like NES Contra or Super Castlevania IV if you like, but no Konami Code allowed.

>>15001672

This, you fucking idiots. I knew calling it "gamer"gate was a mistake.

>>15003300

I think it's the casual mentality that makes a casual. A casual wants only to be entertained and has zero motivation to learn anything new. They will make any excuse as to why they can't or won't try to challenge themselves.

>>15004128

Oh, and no warping in Mario games.

>>14998173

There's plenty of ways to have fun without challenge. There's no game without challenge, however.

>>15004121

Because this is /v/, where people need to flex on the internet about how great they are.

>>15000628

Take off all your armor, makes the fight easier because you're faster and have more stamina to dodge around her.

I would say you're a pretty decent gamer if you can beat God Hand.

>>14997372

>how to be good at games

>easy long way:

beat many different old games (snes, genesis, nes, ps) to the ponit that when you get a new game that you never played before you already have the basics memorize in your muscle memory (dean takahashi is the perfect example of the opposite of this).

>hard quick way

beat devil may cry 1, 3 or 4 in dante must die (no cheats, obviously). if you want to go above "good gamer" beat it with all rank S, SS. if you do you will experience the level up. a phenomenon that make your skills impossible to deteriorate to below "good".

Just git gud. >>15001073 is exactly right.

>>15004121

Why are you a faggot?

>>14997372

I can only speak for consoles/games I own/emulate

>NES

Megaman 1,2,3

Mario 2 and 3 (without warp whistles)

Zelda 1 (both quests) and 2

Metroid (get best ending without NARPAS SWORD)

Kidicarus

Battletoads

Ninja Gaiden 1, 2, and 3

Contra (without 30 lives code)

Castlevania 1 and 3 (any ending)

Ghost & Goblins

>SNES

Castlevania - Super and Dracula X

Pilotwings

Super Star Wars (ALL 3 movies)

Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts

Actraiser 1 (not really hard at all but a classic) and 2 (not that hard but alot of scrubs think it is)

>PS1 / PS2 / xbox / PS3 / 360

Tomb raiders 1,2,3 - PS1

DMC 3 - PS2

RE4 (beat Mercenaries to get HandCannon) - PS2

Ninja Gaiden - xbox

Souls games (MUH GIT GUD)

beat all of these (including special conditions) obviously without cheating and you can be considered a "good gamer"

>casuals

>completing games at all

You don't know how bad its gotten.

>>15001289

<thinking game journos have actual knowledge of history of the industry.

some think that Brianna Wu is the first or most talented woman in the industry. The number of times they are completely wrong is staggering, so yeah. I do think skill is important, I just think knowledge of the industry, this includes history, mechanics, and ect. are more important.

>>15001764

Voices confirmed for detractors.

>>14997372

I'm pretty shit at games relatively speaking. Sometimes i see dsp plays some games more competently than me but I enjoy them unlike dsp.

I'm really fucking good at having fun playing games. I'm average at winning at them, though.

>>15004692

this post owns

>>14997401

DMC1, I can start it in the afternoon on normal and before I go to bed finish DMD with all blue orbs and all S ranks on pure muscle memory and remembrance of the game alone.

>>14999329

I've considered it and disregarded it, knowing how a industry works ain't shit when you're facing the "You lose" screen again because you suck dick.

>>14997372

>Which games do you think someone has to have mastered, or at least be competent at, to be "good at games"?

I don't know, play whatever game you like. If you have the will and the time, you will practice and gradually get better at it with time. Trying to become good at all kinds of games simultaneously is a fool's errand.

>Can you be considered good at games if you're only good at one genre?

Certainly, but it's all relative, and depends on who you're trying to impress. Consider "Ninja" for example - he's this super-popular FPS player on YouTube who has been playing first-person shooters competitively for the last 10 years, and only really hit it big when he started playing Fortnite. Now I've played Fortnite a little, when it was on the cusp of surpassing Battlegrounds as THE battle royale game, and I can say - from my point of view, mind - that the feats you see him accomplish in his Fortnite videos are definitely impressive.

>Are you good if you're a speedrunner?

Again, it depends who you ask. Even if you're a one-trick pony, you've mastered a route that lets you finish the game really quick-like. And it looks awesome if the observer chooses to remain oblivious to the fact that you have spent hundreds, potentially thousands of hours of your lifetime honing just that one route.

>What divides good players from the retroleeches who have hipster elitist tastes but play Fallout 4 in their spare time?

Now you're just conflating skill with choice of games. What games people choose to play and master is their business.

>How good do you have to be to be good?

I dunno man. What does your intuition tell you?

all speedrunning takes place on the easiest difficulty after hours of watching videos telling you exactly what to do. Its the most casual thing in existence.

>>15013766

This it's just muscle memory.

>>15013766

That's why platformers are usually the most engaging to watch. Yoshi's Island speedruns are fairly amusing.