/v/ - Video Games

>>14985743

Nip society worships people based on seniority alone, regardless of how retarded they're acting. There is no meritocracy in Japan. That's why nips can never make any revolutionary breakthrus.

>Miyamoto's weird restrictions and ideas for what Mario "should" be.

The person that made the product in mind has a different idea of what it should be and is now trying to be more controlling over his creation vs a bunch of faggots who think Mario should be serious business

I'll admit I don't give 2 fucks about the new paper Mario games though.

>>14985743

>>14987383

>Miyamoto's weird restrictions and ideas for what Mario "should" be.

>Nip society worships people based on seniority alone, regardless of how retarded they're acting.

Stuff like this makes me think the devs should actually stand up for themselves more against Miyamoto akin to how Sakarai told Miyamoto NO to motion controls in Brawl back at E3 06.

Then you get the issues of increased sales (Sticker Star) with these affected games after these (bad) changes are added making Miyamoto look in the right, while the fans prefer the older style of M&L and PM RPG's.

Frankly, the problem, as i see it, is that the developers just don't want to make fucking Mario and Luigi games anymore, but it's all they ever really do, they've essentially been typecasted. The games get less polished, the gameplay gets "streamlined" with gimmicks added to each iteration, the music is slowly becoming midi guitar strings taken from the shit Microsoft puts into windows, graphics have devolved from beautifully fluid sprite animation to a choppy mess, hell, the programming in the games themselves are now much more of a mess(vid related). Nintendo should just let it end, and had it done so back at bowser's inside story, perhaps Paper Mario wouldn't have been screwed as bad as it has.

Partners in Time was a good game.

>>14987478

Maybe they should make their own IP instead of thinking Mario should explore a town filled with gang violence and so on like he does in TTYD.

>>14987561

Miyamoto please go.

>>14987738

Wow what a good come back man, TTYD is still stupid in its idea though.

>>14987944

Don't you have more franchises to be ruining with gimmicks and outdated principles, Miyamoto-san

>Tanabe hasn't been able to get around Miyamoto's weird restrictions and ideas for what Mario "should" be.

What are Miyamoto's restrictions? They certainly didn't prevent Mario from crossing over with rabbids. We can't have better Paper Mario stuff but we can have rabbids.

>>14987951

Friendly reminder that the GameCube produced the worse Nintendo fans:

>Super Mario Sunshine

>Melee

>Wind Waker

Sorry if you can't see that most of the games on that console were shit as well friend.

Also friendly reminder that I said this:

>>14987383

>I'll admit I don't give 2 fucks about the new paper Mario games though.

>>14987975

>I'll admit I don't give 2 fucks about the new paper Mario games though.

We know you don't Miyamoto.

They actually doubled the hp for enemies in Partners in Time in the international version, so bosses take twice as long to kill.

>>14988246

Didn't it happen the other way around, though?

>JP version releases, players complain about bosses being damage sponges

>NA version is localized and released, has the same balance problems as the JP version

>EU version is delayed to add more languages, extra time is used to adjust game balance and cut boss HP in half

>>14988246

Doesn't really matter when the game is braindead anyway

I'm going to regret asking this.

What if for the next Mario and Luigi game each brother is assigned to a single joycon instead of an individual button?

>>14990647

That seems like a pretty good idea if the game is good, and would also INNOVATE like how Miyamoto keeps creaming about.

>>14990652

Now, another innovation. Mario and Luigi have usually been on the same side of the screen right? Well what if the game centers around the bros "splitting up" and "rallying" at times times to take advantage of different parts of the battle? No new party members necessary. New Bros. Moves and bros points can be made. Plus there's items they can use like the Double Cherry from 3D world if they need more Marios or Luigis on one side of the screen.

>>14988246

>>14989286

The US version came out first, actually. Then they made the jap and europoor versions and cut down on the HP for a lot of bosses. I think Elder Princess Shroob's HP got cut down to nearly a half. They also added more full-heal blocks in the other versions.

>>14990647

Fuck me, that could be brilliant, but it would most likely mean wagglan instead of actual fucking inputs.

Really, they just need a proper fucking story and more unique locations. Superstar Saga was the best one, in my opinion, and it didn't have any specific gimmick.

>>14990735

I always personally thought Mario & Luigi was overrated as a kid, Paper Mario felt more like a adventure, it felt like I was going around in circles in the games and they had to force "funny scenes" in the sequels since those were in the first one.

I thought it was super rad having to carry the brother if they get downed.

>>14990779

I've always felt the opposite - that Paper Mario was way overrated. The original was fine, and the entire Shiver City chapter was really fun, but TTYD just never grabbed me. Might be because of expectations, though, since it's one of those games that's held up on a pedestal and I kept waiting for it to get great. That, and aside from the Doopliss and Vivian chapter, I didn't care for most of the locales. The wrestling chapter was insufferable, too, and it's the reason I refuse to give the game another shot.

And at least with Superstar Saga, the game felt less linear than Paper Mario, even if it wasn't per se. The adventure unfolded in a fairly natural progression, and even the Beanstar collectathon gave you a tiny bit of openness. Paper Mario, you know that there's stuff to get in all these places, but you can't go there because the game hasn't told you to go there yet.

Another point, M&L is very different from a normal RPG due to the action commands. It's very visual, very obvious, you can learn timing very easily. Paper Mario, on the other hand, plays like a typical RPG, just with some timing tacked on. I'd probably enjoy it more either if it was more involved and visual, or they just dropped the action commands and made it play like a normal turn-based RPG.

>>14990853

I'm talking about the original, I don't give a shit about TTYD. I would have mentioned TTYD if I meant TTYD

>>14990867

Gotcha.

Well, while I liked it better than TTYD my points on linearity and action commands still apply to Paper Mario.

>>14990895

All Mario RPGs are braindead, you press qtes to do damage, the least braindead was Mario RPG since you didn't get a button prompt, you have to time that shit yourself.

>>14990915

Dream Team had an option to remove prompts for experience points iirc

>>14990924

Superstar Saga did as well.

I'd like Mario&Luigi Switch to be hand drawn cartoons for once instead of pre-rendered garbage. I understood sprite art because of GBA and DS screen resolutions but coping out for pre-rendered 3D was lazy for 3DS. Plus the Switch is in 720p in handheld mode. That's more than enough detail for proper hand drawn animation.

>>14987975

>Friendly reminder that the GameCube produced the worse Nintendo fans:

Cool. Has nothing to do with it though.

>>14990606

Can you see the future?

>>14987237

Japan is the first one to revolutionize games where it matters.

Fuck off, soyboy. No one wants to hire a young fool.

>>14992437

>Japan is the first one to revolutionize games where it matters.

If you don't mind me asking, can you elaborate? I'm always down for examining reasons why the West never seems to hold a candle to the Jap industry, besides the typical moral guardianship/pozzing/incompetent programming/jewish business practices problems.

>>14989370

Except it does, because a braindead boss with a lot of HP will be a lot more tedious than a braindead boss without much HP

>>14990647

>>14990679

Sounds cool and would allow for 2 player local co-op or "Bro-op".

Give it a large overworld and allow two Switches to wirelessly connect and each player could have their own screen to roam independently.

>>14987383

>>14987561

>>14987944

>>14987975

How the fuck did miyamoto find infinity? Did someone link to reddit again?

I just want a Shyguy & Snifitvideogame

It would be like the GTA of Mario games, or maybe like the Darksouls of Mario games

>>14994467

Buddy, I have more faith in Nintendo collaborating a spin-off stand alone Geno game than a true sequel to SMRPG.

I'd be down for an 2D run and gun Metroid-style action RPG in Toyland made by Warioland and ex-Treasure devs where all the friendly characters are based clockwork toys and the enemies are based on Final Fantasy and Mario enemies fused with medieval-rennaisaunce.

>>14994425

Fuck you for suggesting having to buy two switches for a Mario and Luigi game, /soyv/! Couch co-op can be a given with one brother per joycon but that's as far as I'm going for a primarily single player game.

As for controls, instead of command blocks I'm going with SMRPG's hotkey commands. Reason is you can delay a faster brother's turn by having them defend until their slower brother's turn. Then when their turns are synced you use the analog sticks to move Mario or Luigi on that turn together. Each brother has a range noted by a circle how far they can move. You pick a command with a hotkey using the joycon buttons (for pro-controller it's D-pad for left joycon). The jump, hammer, and two new actions are face buttons symmetrical to the position of the joycons. For example, jump on left joycon is up while on right joycon it's B. Items and tactics are bumper and trigger.

Now, Bros. Moves don't activate normally with commands. They activate however the brothers are positioned on the map relative to their target. You'll know the move is available before you execute it on a synced turn.

The battlefield will be a 3D render but the sprites will be hand drawn cartoons. Reason is so you can split up and jump to left, right, center, top, or bottom fields depending on if you want to corner flank or pincer attack your foes. Also keep in mind Mario and Luigi can be flanked on their own too and enemies can sync up and coordinate. Regular Goombas when together will jump on each other's heads and form a stack. If they stack too high you can't jump on them. So you'll have to build damage another way since you can't take advantage of that jump weakness.

>>14995970

enemies forged from medieval-rennaisaunce weapons

>>14994478

yeah, why not?

i mean, they are really simple looking chars, and could be given some weird gimmicks.

Jokes aside, i would play it

>>14987975

Seriously, what is so bad about Sunshine? I never understood this. I understand why you wouldn't like Wind Waker, but what's wrong with Sunshine?

>>14997814

I like Sunshine but I can point out lots of things that went wrong.

>Restricting shines to each scenario rather than allowing you to accidentally explore other shines encouraging non-linear exploration and forced replaying of episodes.

>100 coin shines literally locked to certain episodes because of scenario select.

>Bad level design choices towards the second half of the game where difficulty curve was all over the place like Pachinko level.

>BLUE FUCKING COINS PROMPTING SAVE SCREEN EVERY GODDAMN TIME!

>Rushed development led to some wonky slope and momentum detection.

>A swift kick in the balls screen shot completion bonus for nabbing 255 shine sprites.

Again, I like Sunshine. It is far from a perfect Mario game. I liked 64's difficulty curve better first time playing through. Sunshine's difficulty in certain scenarios was all over the place after Noki Noki Bay.

>>15000220

>Aside from wanting us to change the atmosphere a lot, there were two main things that Miyamoto-san said from the start of the project-"It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?" and "As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world.

What is this faggot's problem?