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Introduce other stakes. Imagine working as a scholar in a certain university and having found an inkling of some greater truth. You could, of course, let sleeping dogs lie, but without publishing something of value, you'll languish in the tedium of students and papers and whatnot for eternity. But as you pry apart the mystery, you mind slips away, piece by piece. What is important to keep? What can be bartered away, sacrificed? Time? Comfort? Sanity? Your peers?

Not sure how you'd do that in a way that's playable, but it's a thought. Other games have done it.

Is the concept of puzzle games foreign to you?

make it call of duty

I want to make a thread without effort, or at least without quality.

But how do you make an interesting thread without dubs?

Hotline Miami has no health bar because everything is 1-hit. Makes combat really dangerous, tense, and fast-paced.

>>14915913

A sanity level, could have multiple values to it like real life, depression, rage, madness, ect.

I wanted to make an RPG maker game without the shitty turnbased combat but couldn't decide what to replace it with.

>>14915931

>>14915935

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>>14915990

I'm not sure, I want to make a clearly action jrpg but without combat, at least melee combat.

but not sure how to design the lose state without a HP bar

I was thinking that you lose score points when you get hit.

>>14915913

Camera snapshots/collecting

Found treasure/collecting

Stealth focused/action

Monster catching/sighting

I could go on, use your imagination.

>>14916020

>Camera snapshots/collecting

being a night-defenseless photojournalist could make for a kinda interesting stealth game

>>14916003

>wants to make a jrpg

>not being japanese

>>14916020

I was thinking I could be a farmer protecting his crops from vermin, but without a way to lose.

>>14916040

I can draw waifus, does that count?

>>14915913

No melee combat or maybe not reliable combat in general? have you played games like Clock Tower and Haunting Ground? combat is only some kind of last resort and not encouraged, there are Amnesia clones like Alien Isolation as well, combat is unreliable there.

>>14916003

in that cast points ARE a health bar. OP have you never played a shooter?

>But how do you make an interesting game without a HP lifebar?

Literally any City Building Sim/Theme Park Sim/"Tycoon" game

>>14916121

but you can't die if your score reaches 0 though.

>>14916003

>clearly action jrpg but without combat, at least melee combat

Undertale without an HP bar?

>>14915913

Maybe a platformer? Look at N or Super Meatboy

>>14915913

By introducing other failstates you dolt

what a fucking terrible cuckchan tier thread

>>14915935

or a racing game or a fucking basketball game or millions of fucking games in existence that don't involve combat at all…. OP is special

>>14916045

>I can draw waifus, does that count?

If you want to make a shit ton of money, make a game set in an apt building, with voyeur opportunities utilizing stealth, camera, telescope, and whatever those types use. Sex sells, sex plus game mechanics that are fun would sell a lot.

Tight time restrictions. See Sine Mora.

>>14916025

Whatever happened to metal gear pantsu anyway?

>>14916634

t got released one or two years ago.

I remember, because Yandev played it, and wanted to add bicycles and a full fledged town, to his "game"

Make a virtual casino and stop sucking cocks.

>>14916640

And then he played Yakuza and wanted a martial arts system. Every time he played a game, he would want to add features of that game into Yandere Sim, and he'd get butthurt when people told him it was best to keep Yandere Sim's scope small.

>>14916621

Mark has finally lost some weight i see and contracted icterus in process

>>14915931

I like this. It could be top tier VN or walking sim.

>>14916003

>I want to make a clearly action jrpg but without combat

Nigger, you aren't clear on anything. You couldn't even be bothered to gather your thoughts before making this thread.

Since you want an action rpg with PROGRESS BARS, I'll just spit ball here.

>You aren't combatant

>you are support

>you gather party members from the pub or guild hall or whatever

>they're glad a healer recruited them, odds of survival are low without them, making you the natural leader (an excuse for why the player isn't playing the front line party member)

>keep your AI DPS fags alive as you crawl through the dungeon

>quest rewards are money and exp, the usual fare.

>skill tree for you, and each member

>your tree is split between the effectiveness of your support spells/actions and improving your inventory (since you aren't fighting, you're the packmule).

>spell tree should include new spells that do new things, or improve older spells so they don't go obsolete.

>Item tree could include improved oragnization (lowers the time your party needs to wait before they receive the item they need), bigger bag to take more stuff, and improved rationing (a percent chance to not consume the item; or make it so items have a number of uses before it's consumed entirely. at the start, you use up all of the item, and leveling it in the tree makes it so each use leaves more and more of the item intact). you'll have to get creative if you include such a strange skill tree like this you can't even form a proper OP, so good luck

>you can just make skill trees appropriate to what ever class of party member you recruit. swordsmen get sword skills. tanks get tank skills. etc.

>as you gitgud, word gets out that you're worth partying with, so you can command larger cuts of the quest rewards. You should start with less than an even split (in a party of 4, an even split is %25 for everyone) since you aren't sticking out your neck like the rest of the party.

>if word gets out that you suck and partying with you is a death sentence, game over. Start a new game, since you won't be able to recruit people anymore.

>>14916020

>Camera snapshots/collecting

was Pokemon Snap the only one of its kind?

>Rail shooter

>no boolet

>just show Prof. Oak your gets and they go into an album

Are there any more like this?

>>14917291 sage for doublepost

I just thought that you could build on the idea of reward cuts. Pay someone more than fairly, and they grow affinity to you. A lot of affinity, and they'll start singing your praises, or brag about how they have such a good party leader. Pay someone so low that they feel cheated, and they'll lose affinity. Too low affinity and they'll eventually quit the party and start badmouthing you to other adventurers. To pay someone generously is to be stingy with someone else. You can't please everyone here, and to split the rewards so there are no affinity penalties means you get very little to no gold for yourself. NPCs should be responsible for their own gear, and you for yours and your consumables. Do you want them better equipped than normal for the next dungeon crawl, or do you want better control of the resources to provide more provisions? (potions, etc.) It's all a balancing act.

Affinity should also be determined by how well you keep party members alive. The normal implication of RPGs where "everything is alright as long as you have at least 1 HP" should go out the window here. If you take a quest that's too much to handle, your party will feel like you aren't able to properly assess danger levels, which means partying with you could be too much of a gamble.

You could also introduce a "personal goal" mechanic to further affect affinity. When you go recruiting, you should be able to ask what someone is after. If your next excursion gets them what they want, (a certain amount of gold, a specific monster drop, specific loot, etc.) it'll raise their affinity towards you. This should be able to be used to counteract affinity penalties for damage taken/not healed and for lower reward cuts if you're trying to rush some specific goal.

bonus for players who care about things like backstory and lore: increase someone affinity enough, and they'll tell you more about who they are, why they are adventuring, their life goals, enemies and rivalries they have, and all sorts of shit that makes for a deep character.

so let me get this straight OP

>no combat, or at least no direct melee combat

>no singular HP bar on your screen that is the ultimate lose condition

idk maybe some strategy game akin to that Majesty game where you never directly control the toons, rather influence them by bounties, rewards and blackmailing. I guess the game over state would be when you turn your own men against you as a consequence of running out of money/food/morale/military?

Or heck just make a racing game or some shit

You serious? There is a million ways.

>>14918138

>is a

>million

brainlets. brainlets everywhere

Milk naturally has estrogen in it,so don't act so emotional over someone correcting you. I don't bother with soy, but you all seem to be under the impression that soy makes people fags. That's incorrect. People eat soy because they are fags.

>>14915913

You don't. Simple design. Welcome to the AAA league.

>>14918152

>is a

>is a tranny

No safe home for thee.

>>14916003

Warfare game with one hit kill on most guns. Small bullets majorly slow down your guy,and after a while kill you.

>>14915913

>But how do you make an interesting game without a HP lifebar?

Tetris, Pong, Super Hexagon, loads of games do it.

>>14915913

If you want combat in any shape or form but don't want neither melee nor HP bars, then you need a different means of causing damage and different damage altogether.

Consider magical weapons for one, spells or simply guns. You can also include some quirky ideas instead like battle music as well. There's a load of different things that can be used to cause damage besides blunt or sharp instruments.

For damage, you can go for stackable debuffs. Everytime you are hit in combat, you get a Wound of a particular type depending on the weapon used. Fireballs will cause Burns, bullets cause Bleeding Wounds, unholy chants cause Sanity damage.

Then you suffer effects based on how many of these you have, like Burns reducing your ability to dodge, Sanity making your own spells less effective, etc.

For a death condition, you might have a character capable of sustaining a certain amount of damage based on one of his stats. High constitution means you can take many burn, bleed or blunt wounds while mental stats let you take more sanity damage, etc.

It's almost like a health bar but never visible and has more effects to work with. If the effects are maxed at 3 charges, you're better off varying your attacks in order to inflict the most debuffs possible instead of having an enemy with 7 Burn wounds and still requiring 3 to die but all he got was less dodge instead of more effects.

You can also change the definition of "combat" to mean something else and have different stakes.

If you had a political intrigue game, your HP would actually be things like reputation, likeability and credibility. You could have speeches in public and debates where you use every once of information you can get, suits that boost stats and "personality stats" to influence everything.

Then you get several gameplay choices about trying to damage your oponent's reputation in-between debates, risking your credibility by saying false things (especially if you only have 76% certainty they are true) that damage your oponent's likeability, etc.

>>14916045

>I was thinking I could be a farmer protecting his crops from vermin, but without a way to lose.

You have a non-healthbar right there you can use: your crops.

Vermin will try to eat them, so you have to shoo or squash them. The longer and the worse you are at it, the less crops you have left, with the added bonus that, the more crops you start with, the harder it'd be to defend them all.

What was that game where you're Groundhog Day'd and slowly lose your mind?

It was on the ds.

test

>>14915913

>But how do you make an interesting game without a HP lifebar?

Use hearts instead.

>>14915913

>facebook frog

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>>14921962

Time Hollow maybe?