/v/ - Video Games

So if i'm not it the EU, how am I supposed to help? Or do I just pray and spectate?

>>14894474

Things will only change in Europe when the blood of their leaders is spilled.

>>14894474

You think you can use the same tactic you used in the US, but it won't work. Shit like this is almost always decided by the European Comission, and the european comission is not voted in by the people (which is why it's so incredibly marxist), so they do not really need to care about what the people think.

I'm excited to see Europe burn

>>14894550

Traitor or kike shill.

>end of memes

Exactly the first thing I thought of after reading about this. I'm so fucking happy. Memes are a blight. No more prefab hayucks for ignorant homos. The time of (semi)thoughtful discussion is nigh.

>controlling the symptoms instead of curing the disease

just like, gas kikes

problem solved

>>14894595

Can you show me your copyright to that photo?

>>14894637

is da jooz xDDDDDD

>>14894644

Who gave you permission to link to that post?

>>14894474

The US will cut off most internet contact with europe because of this. The splintering of the internet has begun.

>>14894496

who is this semen demon

Thankfully politicians in my country are corrupt and incompetent so by the time we are actually anywhere near entering the EU it will already have fallen apart. Sucks for Croatia, though.

>>14894681

It's them slowly boiling the frog. Yes, you are correct, they're unenforceable on the whole population, but that's not the point, the goal is to create a legal framework that allows them to easily and quickly silence any dissidents and wrongthinkers within their, and now the EU's, borders.

>>14894681

>see bad goy doing wrongthink

>check his internet traffic

>immediately have a cause to arrest him

It's there to make everyone a "criminal", so they'll be less incentivised to speak up against the regime for fear of standing out and thus becoming a target.

>>14894715

>and have no idea what the common man has to deal with daily

It's more correct to say that they don't give a shit. To them citizens are just walking tax dispensers.

>How can they rule over people when they have no idea what's going on?

They seem do to be doing a pretty good job so far. Naturally, when the Day of the Rope comes they, and their whole family tree, will need to be purged.

>>14894647

the EU was founded by belgian jews

>>14894703

You can enforce copyright payments even without having any rights or even author's consent to it. There is, in fact, an organization in my country that does exactly that. They will basically extort money from you if you ever played a song that more people than just you could hear (fall under public reproduction), even if the author himself has no fucking idea about any of this. Then they'll just take the laion's share for themselves for the service provided, and give the rest to the author.

>>14894722

That's the most Jewish scheme I have ever heard about.

>>14894703

>The scariest thing about is just how fucking out of touch politicians are not just with modern society but reality.

Yes and no, they actually don't give a shit, they want to control the society. That's the case here in Europe. Once your country gets into the EU you're fucked, you can't leave and can't vote for the ideas that you want because they have a system in place to make a country to vote the correct way (it can go to the point of having economic sanctions). In France we voted "no" to the Treaty of Lisbon in 2005 then 2 years later the new government (pro-EU) decided to sign the treaty anyway.

To any Americans, I wish to inform you basically any resistance to the EU is useless. They don't take no for answer.

They tried to implement a constitution, but people weren't happy about it. So what did they do? They passed 13 treaties, each one being hundreds if not thousands of pages long that effectively acted as the 13 amendments in their failed constitution.

The UK voted to leave the EU, now they're just waiting it out until the people don't care anymore.

If this fails they'll just do it again at some point.

>pay to link

How the hell are they planning to enforce that?

The families of EU politicians are fair game for reprisals.

So I've heard about this article 13 a few times but I still haven't been able to read what it says or why it is so dangerous (I personally don't believe when people is all like THIS THREATEN EVERYTHING AND WE ARE GONNA DIE like it happened with net neutrality).

>>14894681

The idea isn't to actively enforce any of these laws. It's to set up a society so that everyone in it is a criminal of one kind or another, as long as you pay enough attention to them. Make enough things illegal, despite not being immoral, and eventually everyone is a criminal. You don't enforce all these laws because then you'd have a revolution. Instead when you find someone who is being annoying, or saying the wrong things, or getting too much power… Well you take a real long hard look at them. Eventually there'll be something you can lock them up for.

>>14894913

>>14894916

>implying they need laws for that

To use the UK as an example, did you just miss the Count Dankula and Tommy Robinson cases?

This is negligible shit.Might work in practice in Western Europe but not in Southern or Eastern Europe

>>14894918

No, I payed attention to them. Which is why I know what I just described happened to both those people. Robinson was sent down on some mortgage thing, and dankula was a bullshut speech law. Both of them are never enforced untill some politician or the like get a bee in their bonnet about some specific person.

Neither Robinson or Dankula were arrested for nothing. They were arrested for one of the hundreds of new laws that are passed every day. The current legal system in countries like the UK is a labyrinth of jargon and dense legalese. It's impossible for a citizen to understand the full legal system. This means that the people of these countries are incapable of following the law, as they have no idea what the extent of the law is. Good for lawyers. Good for the ruling class. Bad for everyone else.

Quite frankly, I hate copyright itself so much, that I find it hard to give a shit here.

Yeah, this is one new horrible copyright law, but so there will be many more and sadly they never look back and say, maybe it has gone too far. So for me, I am mostly waiting until they make a law that does go so much overboard that they have to reevaluate everything and perhaps more important that it forces people to start using copyright free materials (attribute anything you create to the public domain faggots, don't be part of a broken system).

If you make anything at all, for the love of fuck, take the extra 2 seconds to put it in the public domain. Attach a license like CC0 or WTFPL. Even for the shittiest meme. Perhaps use stenography to embed it in the image. Anything else you do makes the image be copyrighted to you for forever and a day. And even if you don't enforce it at all, its still a legal gray area.

>>14894681

>neither of which they've done nothing with

They don't have to do anything with them. Europeans are spineless, they'll buckle up without a fight. The same guy who was sued by Erdogan for his poem in Germany got fired for making fun of Netanyahu.

>>14894936

In the Netherlands they had a referendum regarding a EU council's vote on the situation in Ukraine, the majority of the people voted for a stance which the MP did not approve of and soon after that he anounced that he would no longer hold referendums.

>>14894772

This, can't say i always agree with the /pol/ way, but it's fucking obvious that in this case, the only thing that will stop Europe from destroying itself is if the populace can pull off a day of the rope scenario.

>>14894943

Patent trolls will steal all the new dank memes and either copyright them first or file a lawsuit out of the original to squeeze them dry because according to these people derivarive works violate copyright law. At best hyperlinks and images will be removed from international boards. At worst 8chan is region-locked outside of EU internet.

>>14894962

>pull off a day of the rope scenario.

*against the semites that oppose them.

>>14894979

Of course it's going to be corrupt as all hell though, when the EU has zero fear of it's citizens. Socialism, not even once.

>>14894985

Preach Mutt

>>14894936

It just makes me wonder are the problems with our current democratic system innate problems of democracy in general? Does it truly lead to a corrupted state? Or did we get bamboozled by the kikes that kept memeing their corrupted system as "democracy", when it really wasn't so that we think that this is what happens to every democratic system?

>>14894977

You have the original if you made it. Also, stealing unpopular shit is really not worth it becuase you still have to make it popular afterwards. Stealing popular shit means you are too late, that shit is already popular.

You can of course still put your name on it. But whats the difference? Lets assume they steal your copyrighted work. Now you have to go through a costly lawsuite and provide proof that you made it and its your copyrighted work.

If on the other hand they steal your public domain work, well, they fucking can't. They can take a part, rework it and copyright it for sure, but then people can just do the same as long as they use your public domain piece as their starting point and its alright. You have no reason to sue anybody, you gave everybody a "do what you wish" license anyway. And if anybody sues you, you have to do the same thing as if you had the copyright, prove you made it and proof its copyright.

Why would this be more of a problem with a work you put in the public domain than something you have a copyright on?

>>14894985

>When it's not Napoleon or Hitler, it's always the Jews,

Or Kings, don't forget the countless kings they've had lord over them. They're as fucked as they are now because the government has and always lorded over them, only now the government is Jews, and the soldiers are Muslims.

>>14894993

Pure democracy is cancer, I prefer a more republic system.

If there was an electoral college for states the US system would be a lot better.

>>14894993

democracy is super easy to infiltrate because you can't expect people to actually care about politics most of the time. being super into law doesn't feed anyone and it doesn't create anything. it encourages psychopaths who get off on manipulating others and fame and power to be the leaders.

>>14895006

pure democracy doesn't exist outside of hippie communes. what do you think a parliament IS?

>BPS

He fell for the Trump meme, he's full of bullcrap.

That said, there's jackshit we can do, as the EU is basically nu-USSR and democracy is only allowed to a couple of selected countries.

The only possible solution is continent-wide protests and insurrections, but the average eurocuck doesn't give a flying fuck about this.

t. Itacuck.

>>14894950

Difference being that now it's not Hitler trying to save Europe from the Jews and their leftist lapdogs, but now it's the Jews themselves using Germany's corpse to destroy Western civilization.

>>14895003

I'd assume the reason would be for information control. The EU patent trolls would be above the law if the common man would try to fight them in court. Or that the patent trolls will settle the deals out of court to gain control over memes.

I'm also expecting the EU to pull some bullshit saying that any public domain meme made in the EU is by default EU property. I have no trust in these people. They're literally EUSSR.

>>14894936

Looks like England will soon be added to the list

>>14895064

I don't think that using a Swastika is a good idea, unless it is integrated into the symbol very subtely. I'm not one to say that we should compromise our message for the normalfags, but right now we really need a large following. I think it would be a good idea to make it subtler, besides I think that our culture and our goals deserve it's own symbol.

>>14895055

This is good, actually this is a very good idea. Using the symbol of infinity as a symbol of defiance against the government is actually very smart.

>>14894993

Democracy is one of the shittiest regimes ever created. Ruler is selected based on a popularity contest, so you will end up with liars and scumbags every single damn time, and due to the nature of parliament, will never manage to create a comprehensive policy, because you're in a coalition with three other parties that each wants something else. The only reason "democratic" regimes manage to somewhat work is because they nearly immediately get subverted by oligarchy, that manages to at least get some shit done, but at the same time has entirely different aims than those benefiting the nation. Worse yet, due to this charade, the oligarchs don't even have any accountability for their actions – when shit hits the fan, it's the puppet that gets shot down. Look at any democracy you want, be it USA, France, Germany, hell, even Russia – every time, you will see the ruling power in the hands of the rich, who then exercise said power through the elected officials.

"Democracy" is the biggest lie of the modern era. It is a system that is no more functional than communism, so in order for things to not fall apart, it develops an autocratic shadow government (the exact nature of which is highly organic and dependent on the country in question). The problem with that is that said shadow government is not accountable, not interested in the wellbeing of the public, and not legally defined. Hell, more often than not, they don't even live in the country they control – why should they care about the public? They are perfectly isolated from the negative consequences of their actions.

There's a reason why democracy has been tried and phased out in favour of autocratic governments all over the ancient world, and I hope I will live to see the day to see veil lifted and democracy to die once more.

>>14895083

Looks like the tinfoil is starting to pierce your brain.

>>14894993

You need people who can think straight and are well informed to make voting work. This requires a fitting education however ours doesn't chase that as a goal. It's intent is produce working drones that follow the current state propaganda.

The current sjw movement for example was created through the education system same way it happened before in the ussr with communism and the lost generation in china during mao. We know that both examples ended in a massive dumpster fire of regret while among those subject to it many couldn't see the error even when their own families got killed. This shows how powerfull this really is. So in conclusion you need strong quality control of education to keep democracy in line but people just accepted the decline and thus we got the current result.

>Europe taken over by the retarded germans doing retarded shit for what is possibly the 3rd time in ~100 years

Seriously why don't we evacuate the not shit eastern european countries and nuke germany?

Maybe they'll start making anime and stop choking on dicks

>>14895101

So it looks like we're going back to the age of warlords, except this time the warlords are the Jewish Oligarchs that rule the EU snd American deep state.

>>14895091

>muh tinfoil conspiracy theory!

Go back to reddit, faggot. "Conspiracy theory" meme was created by the CIA in order to discredit people questioning the government

>>14895114

Because any hospitable territory on planet Earth has been explored and settled. There's virtually no where else to go without bringing tons of resources to terraforrm the landscape. Which is something we cannot get without becoming a multi-billion dollar business fast.

Europe's version of the TPP is still onging as well correct? This is how they'll bring this type of shit to burgerland.

>>14895083

This.

And it can only end by simply not complying with it and acting in the benefit of your closest racial brothers.

Form groups, make them grow, transform them into organizations and then enforce your will upon others, bypassing any law by simply killing the law enforcers.

>>14894474

>>14894474

Meme.

The fourth reich doesn't tell the US what to do no one is getting expidited to go to court over an image getting posted nor does it have the power. Icann is California it doesn't matter what the nigger said or wrote what army is gonna invade us soil huh?

>>14895160

>Form groups, make them grow, transform them into organizations and then enforce your will upon others, bypassing any law by simply killing the law enforcers.

That might work in hueland where the niggers like yourself have more firepower than the government, but sadly it's not going to work for the EU.

>>14895273

>(((they))) will never take my staff ha ha

>>14895189

Thats why they are trying to access everyone's computer and trying shit like banning encryption to stop normalfags. Once you know exactly what someone is doing, you can make sure they only do what you want them to.

>>14894936

The swedish had the choice of join now or join later. We didn't get to vote no, so of course it reads accepted.

>>14895610

If this law passes, you cannot play video games anymore. If it's copyrighted, it will be shut down. This is a big deal.

>>14895575

no, because "all of burgeoise" would imply an entire class of people, whereas it's really just a handful of rich kikes that control the government, and the executive isn't a commitee managing anything – it's a bunch of puppets on strings.

>>14894662

you blind or just stupid

>>14895575

>So what you're saying is "The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie"?

This is what /leftypol/ unironically believes. Interesting how you are claiming that every single business that isn't part of the few gigantic multinationals (ie. the businesses that will get shafted through government policy) aren't part of "the whole bourgeoisie". Conveniently those don't matter and they aren't part of the club but when it comes to taking their property, all of a sudden they are part of it and all of a sudden it starts to matter when you're splitting up their properties.

>>14894993

Its problem of any form of government. It has innate tendency to become a tyrant. Because this is an nature of the sate. Bandit. Keeping this bandit at check is never ending battle.

>>14895004

Very concise summary of the real problem in Europe. I would add that Europeans for some reason have always had this sort of retarded tribalism which only amplified the negative effects of the things you mentioned.

>>14896129

If /leftypol/ wasn't trying to fuck the average goyim over they would be doing Marxism wrong.

>>14896309

>Cuckchan meme

Opinion disgarded

>>14895610

>automated upload filters mandatory by law to uphold copyright

>deletes anything that looks like a copy

>only allows what's 100% comfirmed to be allowed due to high fines

>can't upload game reviews&co without explicit consent from the copyright holder

>only official paid reviews upload their cockgargling 10/10 reviews and you can't even make a commentary/reply taking apart those videos because they too fall under copyright

Think of what youtube did for dmca but everywhere in EU and with less technical skill so even worse. And don't forget youtube worked a decade on their system wich still has errors. It's gonna be a complete shitshow if this passes

I can't help but feel these overproduced websites made to encourage people to play activists are all leading people who disagree with the powers that be to honeypots. If I contact my MEP am I going to get flagged?

>>14896519

i wouldn't be suprised if the opposittion is led by google&co who are prime targets of this the same way classic press is leading the lobby forr it. But does it matter? If interests align cooperate with anyone to get results. You can still bash heads afterwards or in other areas.

>>14896519

Contacting your MEP won't get you flagged. You will probably be ignored but you won't get flagged.

>>14896568

Well I can't speak for the website, since they are likely profiting off on the side by selling the information you give them like your email, but the act of contacting your MEP isn't the thing that should concern you.

>It does just as much as any copyright law passed in America affects Europe.

IF something like this gets passed in America. It hasn't and likely wouldn't because unlike you, we didn't give up our guns.

>>14896581

>we didn't give up our guns.

I get "muh molon labe" and all but you MOST DEFINITELY have willingly given up a lot of your guns. I don't doubt the fact that you still have a lot of them but don't try to act tough when your country threatens to overthrow the government every ten minutes but never goes through with it.

>>14896575

If 8chan doesn't region ban the EU and the US doesn't ban all VPNs and TOR by law then no more links to archives to back up evidence for facts, no more webms, no more image uploads, no more memes, no more fun on 8chan if 8chan chooses to keep their site open for the EU. It's all words and shitty opinions that the glow-in-the-darks can spam with bots to troll and bait people onto comitting link crimes to prove them wrong.

What country should I move to? I'd like to stay away from the US because of the inevitable Yellowstone eruption.

>whenever the US is being retarded everyone has to know and needs to help them

>but when the EU does something

>"lol not my problem bruh"

Really makes ya think.

>>14896651

a non 5 eyes country and preferably a non 14 eyes country.

>>14896651

Mars and Venus. Or Anarctica.

>>14896651

>What country should I move to?

You should consider going to a different timeline.

Everywhere is fucked right now unless a miracle happen somehow somewhere.

>>14896665

So he should go to Africa and become a warlord?

>>14896691

The major problem in Europe (and also burgerland tbh) is their fucking cucked-up jew-controlled governments.

Nothing a violent revolution won't solve. Expel all rapefugees and Israeli influence and then everything will be fine.

Too bad everyone rather live as slaves rather than die free.

>>14894474

UK anon here, out Govt will most likely write this into our law and keep it even after we leave

>>14896710

Well let me know when you invent a way to create a super weapon that lets one man eliminate a million man army and their thousands of drones and war machines in less than five minutes without detection. Until we have a great equalizer that lets us do that, the world government will have no problem kicking down any rebellion they see so long as we breed the numbers.

And since everything the elite needs is outsourced you bet the Oceana will sterilize half the population and keep us from breeding fast enough or raise newer generations too weak to breed numbers for a rebellion to overthrow their machine oppressors.

May as well go full Alex Jones: America's Obesity epidemic is an example of the globalist's master plan to keep the population physically unable to fight the government with piss poor education, misleading nutritional guides on foods, and overgrown crops with more sugars than nutrients. Only the elites who comply with government can afford the healthcare to live after 90. Everyone else is doomed to die by 60-70 if they're lucky.

I thought about this WAY too much because I want to write a Sci-fi horror thing.

JUST SPREAD THIS LIKE WILD FIRE

EVEN IF IT MEANS POSTING ON SHITTT WEBSITES OR CONVINCING SHITTY E-CELEBS

ANYTHING EVER TO STOP AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT TRUE OPRRESSION LOOKS LIKE

>>14895276

Be slaves then.

If you don't kill your enemies, they win.

>>14896710

This.

>>14896755

Die fighting while killing your enemies, so they can be eventually defeated by those who survive.

You don't even need weapons to start a killing rampage of high officials. You just need to know where to find them exposed.

Go kill some. Die doing so. and let others take up from where you died.

>>14896775

You can kill with you own two hands you know. The problem is you will be shot by drones if you attempt to think it because by then you have a chip implanted in your brain which is synced to your phone that shits everything you think to the internet.

>>14896791

Oh yeah, I'm sure my break in into the EU will be just like Hotline Miami.

>>14896797

>javascript

How long until noscript and uBlock are illegal in the EU?

>>14896771

>t. armchair activist who tells others to kill suits while he stays in his mom's basement smugly posting on a mongolian throat-singing forum

>>14896871

Another problem caused by the concept of individualism possibly pushed by the Jews (because it's probably them tbh).

Back then we had tribes and clans, and if one of the tribesmen or clan member was wronged by outsiders; the entire clan would react.

That spirit of unity is gone, and now we have a bunch of solo operatives that :

- are self-absorbed

- are prone to leaving obligations for others

- won't stand for one another, because everyone's a stranger

Social engineering.

>>14896821

sooner that anyone would've wanted to

Great, now I will go after any European who replies to my posts on here because I do not give them permission to link to my content.

>>14896797

>using Javascript to keep on datamining in stead of actually respecting your customers a teeny tiny bit

>thinking this will work and won't get your company destroyed in court

Whoever invented this website just wants to watch the American world burn.

>>14895122

You could use Tarot symbolism. The Tarot that comes before the Tower is the Devil. The Tower represents the revolt against the Devil and his "tower of lies".

>>14894553

>europe in the "european" union is worth salvaging

what did he mean by this?

>>14896932

>Germany and Sweden is the entirety of Europe

what did he mean by this?

>>14896925

Didn't the tower represent a catastrophe though?

>>14896974

I'd seriously suggest you just kill the E.U. kikes otherwise history will just be wiped and destroyed again.

>>14896983

>Iceland

A jewish rabbi family literally just moved there to push anti-semitism laws.

>>14896999

Welp… I can’t argue with these numbers.

>>14896954

>Germany and Sweden is [sic] the entirety of European Union

what did he mean by this?

>>14896999

Well then move there to push back

>>14896999

Honestly though, you can just type in “iceland jews” on Google and all you’ll get are articles about how Jews are not welcome there. There are only around 250 Jews in the whole country as of 2018.

>>14897013

That's how it usually starts, if it keeps increasing they'll push for laws for themselves just like any other invading race.

>>14896974

No it's "radical change." The Tower actually represent the Tower of Babel which is a "tower of lies" and the collapse of the tower is the lies being revealed.

Do you really think this is just a "catastrophe?"

>>14897013

250 too many.

You may also want to contact people who use Youtube.

99.9% of the popular ones either talk about news or videogames. Not to mention they can't link to patreon in their descriptions (or display the URL in their description either). They get railed hard by this- and have big audiences.

Pewdiepie, Phillip Defranco, faux screaming soyboy #2189- any and all.

Find their email address/twitter accounts and contact them, raise the alarm.

>>14897150

This. Someone should make a comprehensive mail and sent to PewDiePie.

Dont you all see? They want you to go to war. They import millions of shitskins into Europe to fuck your women so your chance of procreation will be minimized. They insult and jail you for being racist or speaking anything against it. They will take everything you hold dear be it internet, videogames or anime. They want you dead.

Solution? Unless you dont start working and buy yourself tons of weapons you will be dragged on streets and executed like animals. Every white male will suffer. Do with this information anything you want you have been informed.

>>14897183

I use google for my memes, I'm sorry

>>14897196

I've made the same mistake in the past, don't worry about it; just make sure the images you download don't have watermarks

>>14897197

Such issues are not exclusive to Germany however. The kikes made up the holocaust, for if they didn't it would show the world how fucked up the kikes really are.

>>14896710

>start a violent revolt within EU

>stating out well; the army is small and unprepared, some even refuse to shoot at us. Police is even worse.

>actually make some gains, hear about small cells helping us in enemy territory, moving towards the capital

>burgers arrive with a gorillion troops to help their NATO ally and massacre us

I'm sure it'd be a glorious suicide, though

>>14897197

Germans tried to fight the Jews. America took the Jews side and defeated Germany. Can't blame Germany for what's happened since.

>>14897256

>implying it wasn't just a Jewish plan to begin with

>>14897231

>burgers arrive with a gorillion troops to help their NATO ally and massacre us

Tell us in detail how this will happen when burgers want nothing to do with the eu anymore, don't just say "zogbots" since the Rothschilds have a headquarters in London.

>>14897231

If a violent revolt happens over in euro-peon land that our (((government))) get's interested in, things will have probably cranked up enough here that the zogbots will be entering into a two sided war.

>>14897275

>burgers

>wanting nothing with EU

are you insane? Europe is the cornerstone of american foreign interest, not to mention NATO.

>>14897293

one can hope, but I fear the country the revolt happened in would just become the second afghanistan, as in bombed to shit in perpetuity

>>14897275

if they so do not want anything to do, they can start by pulling all their armies from here.

btw Poland alone could defeat everyone maybe except the French but poland is also not so great as it seems.

>>14894474

>This happens

>Even more people turn against the EU

I'd rather let it happen frankly. If faggots still support staying in the EU after this comes in this continent is truly lost.

If you want to send a far less polite email from http://saveyourinternet.eu/ to your politicians over this, use these to make fake email addresses:

https://www.10minutemail.com/

https://www.fakenamegenerator.com/gen-random-us-us.php

>>14897157

A copy-paste email looks like a spam-bot and puts people's back's up.

Here's what I found (popular Lets Plays, Reviewers, Abridged parodies, and Bloggers focused on news that use citation. Those who link to their patreon may also be worth looking into). Most of them are cucks and sell-outs, but needs must (and they'll be hell-bent on self-preservation since the alternative is getting a real job that'll pay a hell of a lot less):

> Philip Defranco

https://www.youtube.com/user/sxephil/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/PhillyD

His videos have a postal address but it'll be too late by then.

> Ethan Klein, h3heProductions

https://www.youtube.com/user/h3h3Productions/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/H3h3productions

Business Inquiries: workwithh3@gmail.com

> Pewdiepie

https://www.youtube.com/user/PewDiePie/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/pewdiepie

> Markiplier

https://www.youtube.com/user/markiplierGAME/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/markiplier

https://www.reddit.com/r/Markiplier/

> JackSepticEye

https://www.youtube.com/user/jacksepticeye/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/Jack_Septic_Eye

> CountDankula

Note: Due to recent events, this guy has more eyeballs on him than usual.

https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7SeFWZYFmsm1tqWxfuOTPQ/about?disable_polymer=1

> Rooster Teeth

questions@roosterteeth.com

For press releases and story pitches: news@roosterteeth.com

> Team Four Star

admin@teamfourstar.com

> DanTDM

management@dantdmteam.com

> GameGrumps

grumpbiz@gmail.com

> StampyLongHead

https://www.youtube.com/user/stampylonghead/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/stampylongnose

> Gigguk

https://www.youtube.com/user/gigguk/about?disable_polymer=1

> SuperEyePatchWolf

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtGoikgbxP4F3rgI9PldI9g/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/EyePatchWolf

> Mother's Basement

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBs2Y3i14e1NWQxOGliatmg/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/G0ffThew

> MatPat - Game Theory

https://twitter.com/MatPatGT

https://www.youtube.com/user/MatthewPatrick13/about?disable_polymer=1

> Super Best Friends

https://twitter.com/WoolieWoolz

https://twitter.com/MattMcMuscles

https://twitter.com/AngriestPat

> MaximillianDood

https://www.youtube.com/user/Miles923/about?disable_polymer=1

https://twitter.com/maximilian_

And this doesn't even consider nigh-all Twitch streamers would lose out as well.

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The above is not an exhaustive list, and as you can tell most don't have an email.

If they are a blog that cites stories with links, play videogames, review, or make parodies- they are worth contacting.

Hell, some of the middle sized ones might be better. I.e. both Markiplier and JackSepcticEye are part of the Disney Digital network, but GameGrumps aren't part of a network IIRC.

The first two would probably get their licenses from Disney (and Disney may ask them to keep quiet), while no-one is coming to save GameGrumps, so they have more vested interest to spread the word.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't contact the bigger ones. They may make a video anyway. "I can't imagine my network would complain if I did this, it's like fighting for net neutrality! etc.

The key is to spread the word. Any subreddits or fan-pages of the above should also be looked into. The only ones not worth contacting are those that make other content that can work-around it (prank videos, comedy sketches, personal life blogs, etc).

Anyone got a name for that website GG used where it would have access to your Twitter account- and post a tweet via your account, all at the same time?

The idea was it could force a hashtag to trend, because 1000+ people starting talking about it all at once.

I don't know if we have the numbers, but it's worth a shot IMO.

The website had an orange color scheme IIRC.

>>14897314

>Europe is the cornerstone of american foreign interest

You misspelled Israel.

None of the western countries are independent anymore, they're all owned by the banks, kept in line via media, and bred to fail by academia. It's just this one big suicidal blob of 'west' where leaders are scrambling to earn positions in the new world order by helping weaken their own people to curry favor while breeding their own children and grandkids into Jewish lineage. It's a 2,000 year old family feud that's being settled with a genocide.

>>14897349

half of people in almost every euro country hate the eu but the politicians and other half is bought/brainwashed so what can be done, if you raise the voice you got anti semitism/racism/homophobia or russiasshill sticker on you with guaranteed loss of job and other stuff.

(((If))) the holocaust happened nearly eighty years ago, then surely no living jews would still be claiming any sort of victim status from it, right?

I mean that would be as stupid as blacks claiming to be victims of slavery when the civil war was 150 years ago.

>>14897348

I thought everyone wanted to see less bases inside of other western countries to protect scholomosteins oil stocks, I thought that's what everyone wanted since it's not like America gets any kickbacks for having bases in other countries beyond throwing tax dollars at shekelbergastein at this point. Key reason to promote anti-jew sentiments.

>>14897391

People managed to take down the USSR without any freedoms, I hardly think they can excuse not removing the EU.

>>14897402

must be bait, USSR collapsed and people did nothing to help it.

>>14897359

Just dug through Twitch's contact form. Short version is if you want to email them about 99% of their subjects, you need a Twitch or Amazon account.

The ones you don't have very rigorous forms so you can't just; say, take the "reporting a broadcaster form, and hi-jack it for what you want.

>>14896797

>block people within the EU

LMAO FUCKING BASED

>>14897414

Only true of the Russian part, the remaining Warsaw Pact countries all died due to mass protests. Once you've got enough of the country on board it's not difficult.

>>14897424

the protests were tool of transferring power.

people just played the extras there

at least here it was like that where power went to people that worked with regime and the (((chosen))) ones and they have it to this day

>>14897432

>at least here it was like that where power went to people that worked with regime and the (((chosen))) ones and they have it to this day

That's pretty much how it always goes I'm afraid.

>>14894931

Of course they had to use Tower of Babel imagery.

>>14894936

How did Germany end up controlling Europe? Seriously, up until three decades ago, it was split in half for wanting to control Europe.

>>14897559

The US decided it wanted "a united states of Europe"

>it was split in half for wanting to control Europe.

Is this what school in burgerland told you?

>>14897559

Real Germany was destroyed in 1945, the one using the name now is a puppet controlled by kikes.

>>14896651

South Florida and Hawaii are safe from that shit.

>>14895624

>>14896129

Reminder "bourgeoisie" in Marx’s time referred not to “muh middle class” or “muh stronk independent mom’n’pop business who don't need no public stock”, but to the ultimate rentier owners of all capital great and small: Bankers and other institutional investors.

>>14897231

This is a pickle to answer. I'm not sure if Trump would obey his Isreal masters to sick burger marines on EU rebels or not. The president after Trump would be a globalist cock sucker.

The other thing that might be interesting is if Islamist terrorists sided with the EU to attack the rebels. But this topic could be it's own own thing on /pol/. So I'll stop here.

>>14897577

>The US decided it wanted "a united states of Europe"

This. The kikes have EU as their testing ground – they want to see what steps work and what do not when they decide to try this at a global scale and create NWO. USA is getting less pozz because it's the control chamber with all the guns who will step in and restore order should the experiment get out of hand.

>>14897620

It's only the incredibly rich that control the government, however. Some small time self-employed bussinessman has no power. One doesn't need to be a leftist to notice these things – that multinational corporates and bankers control the government is common knowledge, but one that the people are conditioned to ignore since they don't want to be seen as conspiracy theorists. Moreover, the leftist "solution" to this problem is to put all of this under government control, which is like setting your house on fire in order to stop the robber.

>>14897635

>This is a pickle to answer.

it's really not. USA would be legally obliged to go and kill the rebels if the revolt was in the lands of a NATO ally. If it was not a NATO ally, the rebels would be classified as terrorists and face an intervention regardless. The only way a government change could be possible would be through a quick coup, so that there would be no actual fighting (or at least was minimal and quickly ended), but for that you'd first need to either have massive popular support (at which point you could simply win the elections), or control the military and police forces.

>But this topic could be it's own own thing on /pol/

this whole thread is /pol/

>if Islamist terrorists sided with the EU

I don't think they would. More likely, they'd turn the civil war into a threeway, with them trying to estabilish an indepedent caliphate or something.

>>14897695

>>if Islamist terrorists sided with the EU

>I don't think they would. More likely, they'd turn the civil war into a threeway, with them trying to estabilish an indepedent caliphate or something.

nah EU would promise them shit (not officially ofc) and they would join them.

>>14897695

>It's only the incredibly rich that control the government, however. Some small time self-employed bussinessman has no power.

You're missing the forest for the trees here. The crucial distinction isn't "wealth" or "income", but ownership. Even the small businessman is legally owned by the lenders he's in hock to, while giant corporations are owned by investors from those same people. Capitalists are mechanically distinct from any other part of society.

>the leftist "solution" to this problem is to put all of this under government control

No, the leftist solution is more broadly to eliminate the type of ownership exerted by capitalists on every other stratum of society.

Government may be a viable option for that, if it is truly democratic in nature. Or government may end up being discarded, in favor of democratically owned businesses taking over its responsibilities.

>>14897733

Government is never a viable option for bussiness, and "democratically owned bussinesses" sound like ridiculous kind of bullshit. Get it through your damn skull that if anything is truly "democratic" then it just means that all the decisions it makes are made by complete retards who have zero understanding about anything regarding said decision. You want the CEO – you want that guy there who has everything riding on the company's success and who's never satisfied and still wants more, and who doesn't give a shit what others think since he knows (or thinks) he is much better than them at leading a bussiness – that's how you get a profitable company. The failure of the government isn't in that it allowssuch companies to exist, the failure is that it allows itself to be controlled by them rather than having a robust mechanism in place to prevent such things. A democracy will always have this core weakness because the leaders change periodically and all are hurting for cash so as to have enough money for a campaign so as to get enough easily manipulated retards to vote for them. Not every system has this weakness – in systems where position is inherited, for example, the leader does not change often, and usually isn't hurting for cash, and if he is, he can often just seize the company, with no need for bribery.

>>14897812

> "democratically owned bussinesses" sound like ridiculous kind of bullshit.

>>14897812

Corporations constantly implode due to boards (and the CEOs they appoint) being traitorous slimeballs with neither the customers nor workers best interests in mind: Nokia, Motorola, HP, Compaq, etc.

An analogy can be drawn to autocratic governments like monarchies and theocracies, which frequently imploded under the weight of their corruption and incompetence, meanwhile liberal welfare democracies have stomped all over them.

On a similar basis, while the average worker or customer may not be as talented at management as the average exec (lol), they're certainly better as a watchdog against outright corruption and other bullshit, as well as setting out broad policy objectives.

That's socialism, extending the checks and balances of democracy directly into our economy, whether from the bottom or the top.

I just realized a really obvious way to spread the news:

E3 Tagjacking

E3 is 6 days away, while the vote is about 2 weeks after.

So, you tag-jack (include a popular hashtag to get more eyes on your tweet when it is not relevant to it. Tag + Hijack), and include info about Article 11 and 13.

> You won't see anyone playing #FarCry6 online if Europe's new Internet law passes. #DeleteArt13 #LinkTax etc.

Include urls to articles and summerizing infographs (you are making infographs aren't you?). The relevant hashtags include UploadFilter, CensorshipMachine, SaveYourInternet, DeleteArt13, and LinkTax

>>14897904

yes yes. Ubisoft is french company right so even more chance to that tagjack

>>14897855

>Corporations constantly implode

Which is good. There is no reason why corporations lasting a long time should be desireable. In fact, I'd argue that the more often they crash, the better. After a corp's size reaches a certain point, it starts being harmful to the market at large

>governments like monarchies and theocracies, which frequently imploded

Except they didn't. They were some of the most stable governments in history. You may know a dozen or two examples of implosion and this it means it was frequent, but keep in mind that these systems existed for thousands of years

>meanwhile liberal welfare democracies have stomped all over them

unfortunately for mankind, as we can all see today

>while the average worker or customer may not be as talented at management as the average exec (lol), they're certainly better as a watchdog against outright corruption and other bullshit

No they aren't. You seem to be under the impression that 1) the worker is interested in any way in the company he works for, which is not the case with many people and 2) he cares if the management is corrupt, which he does not. If he knows Bob in HR hires people based on how much they bribe him, he won't say a peep since Bob's friend is his boss. Or, alternatively, he'll think "awesome, now my retarded son can get a job, I'll slip Bob a few bills", or, most likely, he simply won't care. How do I know? Because the same is the case with democracy in government. Everyone is governed, yet how many are interested in the running of the government, or even the country? Half the population can't even be bothered to read the news. And a watchdog against corruption? No such thing. More importantly, however, I do not see why in-company corruption should be of any interest to the government – if the corruption is severe enough to harm the company, then let it fall and get replaced by a better rival. There is, again, no reason for long living companies to be some sort of objective for the government.

>That's socialism, extending the checks and balances of democracy directly into our economy, whether from the bottom or the top.

Yes, that's socialism, extending naive dysfunctional bullshit directly into the economy. The only suprising thing about it that there are still retards that support it despite its track record. It's no wonder that the most vocal socialists are usually in countries where socialism was never implemented.

>>14897912

I'm not saying democracy is perfect or anything, just that every single alternative is worse.

Also

>massive amounts of resources wasted on repression, constant peasant revolts, outbursts of civil war and palace coups over petty blood feuds every single generation, utter disaster every once in a while when the genetic lottery rolled snake eyes

>most stable form of government

Get a load of this monarcuck

>>14897908

At lot of the EU plays the US games.

Literally, if it is popular, include the hashtag while talking about it.

>>14897359

CountDankula already knows about it, hasn't made a video:

https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/status/1002178459156836352

>>14897928

>just that every single alternative is worse.

A meme taught and spread by liberals. Democracy is one of the leading causes of the downfall of the West and is one of the worst systems ever devised. The only worse ones I can think of are communism (mostly due to its desire to destroy the family unit, religion, and society in general and replace people with brainwashed robots) and anarchy.

>massive amounts of resources wasted on repression

Except that wasn't the case up until the very last stages in 19th century due to onset of nationalism and liberalism

>constant peasant revolts

rarer than you think and extremely easy to supress.

>outbursts of civil war and palace coups over petty blood feuds every single generation

Nowhere near as frequent

>utter disaster every once in a while when the genetic lottery rolled snake eyes

Truly bad rulers were usually swiftly replaced or had a regent rule in his stead. A lot of the "renowned bad rulers" had their histories written by people who replaced them on the throne and had an interest in portraying them as the spawn of devil. Again, you seem to not understand that these systems existed for thousands of years all over the world. Even if you had a hundred examples, it would still be a drop in the sea. More importantly, however, even if a relatively bad ruler got the "genetic lottery" bad, at least it was a lottery. With democracy, you get a shitty leader every single time, since the "leader" is not his own man, but one controlled by the rich. Just look at Trump.

You seem to have no understanding of history other than from pop culture and seem to think every monarchy was the same, despite having vastly differing systems (peasant revolts weren't a thing in enlightened absolutist monarchy, as there were no peasants, nor were there civil wars over succession, for example).

>>14897962

>Democracy is one of the leading causes of the downfall of the West

>millennia of snownigger barbarians being the laughingstock of the arabs/north africans/chinese/indians/etc

>suddenly enlightenment happens

>atheism, industrialization, democracy, take over the world in a century

>organized labor creates social democratic welfare states in 1900s

>greater increase to standard of living in one generation than all of prior history

>>14898005

>millennia of snownigger barbarians being the laughingstock of the arabs/north africans/chinese/indians/etc

Are you brain damaged?

>greater increase to standard of living in one generation than all of prior history

standard of living raised by technological advances, not by liberalism. The effects of liberalism are low birth rates, victim complex in white countries, migrant crisis, tolerance of homosexuality and other degeneracy, lack of higher values (replaced by blind consumerism), and the continuing downfall of western civilization.

>>14898023

kemono friends is a cancer on the earth

>>14898033

Industrialization started in the 1700s, but we still had serfs, slaves (many huwite), and debt bondage until organized labor abolished them in the 1900s

>>14898051

The exact date of industrial revolution is a matter of dispute and it took assloads of time for it to actually make an impact. The shit you mention was abolished long before 1900 in some parts of the world. For example, serfdom was abolished in 1848 in Austria-Hungary, slavery was abolished in 1833 by UK.

But I do not understand what point you're trying to make.

>>14898075

With that last post, that the 1900s saw unprecedented gains made thanks to power won by workers.

>>14898086

Then why do you list shit that has nothing to do with it? Serfdom was abolished mostly because it stopped being profitable with the advances of industrialization – the only places where it stayed was pre-industrialised societies like Russia. Abolition of slavery had absolutely nothing to do with "workers", it was abolished because, again, it stopped being nearly as profitable, and because of pressure form many groups, including the Catholic Church.

>>14898115

True to an extent, though a large amount of abolitionism among free workers was motivated by the same pragmatism now driving much anti-immigration rhetoric. Also, forms of non-free labor such as sharecropping and the truck system survived such efforts nearly everywhere until legal reforms (primarily bankruptcy and minimum wage) occurred in the 1900s, due to labor activism.

The much earlier stuff, from the enlightenment onward, is what laid the foundations for what followed, destroying monarchy/theocracy and awakening Europe from its slumber.

>>14894647

<it wasn't

Your nose is sticking out of my fucking monitor

>>14898161

The rise of democracy and fall of monarch is due to kikes and their subversion.

>>14898161

>destroying monarchy/theocracy and awakening Europe from its slumber.

except Europe is worse off than ever before, on a course to extinction.

>forms of non-free labor such as sharecropping and the truck system survived such efforts nearly everywhere until legal reforms (primarily bankruptcy and minimum wage) occurred in the 1900s, due to labor activism.

>"We might be seeing the downfall of our civilization, but at least we got minimum wage and bankrupcy out of it!"

Well gee, thanks a fucking ton. Also

>minimum wage

that shit's not as black and white as you think. I think the following quote sums the issue up quite well

>“Unfortunately, the real minimum wage is always zero, regardless of the laws, and that is the wage that many workers receive in the wake of the creation or escalation of a government-mandated minimum wage, because they lose their jobs or fail to find jobs when they enter the labor force. Making it illegal to pay less than a given amount does not make a worker’s productivity worth that amount—and, if it is not, that worker is unlikely to be employed.”

You can see this especially in the US, where ridiculously high minimum wage (relative to global wage) contributes to outsourcing

>>14898226

>on a course to extinction.

Like when kings and popes were too busy squabbling with each other to fend off actual military conquest by other civilizations?

>that shit's not as black and white as you think

The purpose of minimum wage isn't specifically so that people can happily seek minimum wage jobs for their careers, but to destroy fake "jobs" that (after prices bump up to compensate) no consumer is willing to pay a sustainable living wage for, and replace them with real jobs that consumers are willing to pay the full price of.

>ridiculously high minimum wage (relative to global wage) contributes to outsourcing

No trade tariffs and no migrant quotas are what cause that, it was working fine up to the 1970s. Plug the leaks, and we can keep cranking the dial on quality of life without worry.

>>14896755

>America's Obesity epidemic is an example of the globalist's master plan to keep the population physically unable to fight the government with piss poor education, misleading nutritional guides on foods,

<"Nutritional value" is terribly defined

<The vast majority of junk food is catergorized as "having nutritional value"

<This means food stamps can buy junk food

I'd buy it.

The retards can't enforce shit on the rest of us. Kill every last fucking cuck.

>>14897695

>at which point you could simply win the elections

Heh.

>>14898262

>Like when kings and popes were too busy squabbling with each other to fend off actual military conquest by other civilizations?

I do not recall a time when another civilization conquered Europe since at least the migration period, and there the reasons were very different. On the conrary, it was usually the kings and popes that fended off foreign invasions, be it the various Greek alliances that fended off Persian invasions during the Persian wars (and later, under Philip of Macedon ad his son Alexander actually conquered the Persians), or the reconquista that retook Spain from muslim invaders. Democracy, on the other hand, seems to be directly supporting enemy invaders in conquering our civilization.

>but to destroy fake "jobs" that (after prices bump up to compensate) no consumer is willing to pay a sustainable living wage for

What? What are you talking about? If the "job" creates a product that is worthless, then the company goes bankrupt. If it's a service, then the job needs to be done anyway even if the consumer isn't willing to pay minimum wage for it, and is handled illegally by people working under minimum wage.

>No trade tariffs and no migrant quotas are what cause that

That, at least, I can agree with. With protectionist policies, outsourcing wouldn't be an issue despite minimum wage. But guess what, your beloved left opposes than.

>>14898268

There's a huge cluster fuck of problems. And I think most Americans just need to accept that unless they pull in 1 hour of high intensity exercises daily they need a nutritious diet with less than 80 grams of carbs and 2000 calories daily to stay healthy and less calories when they get older. The food pyramid is a lie. Don't get me started on fat acceptance propoganda.

>>14897695

Besides war with the EU, while EU still has no army, what other consequences would Trump face not enforcing NATO's treaty if a rebellion were to happen?

>>14897359

As much as you guys hate Sargon, I think he's worth the contact. Even if he doesn't have a Twitter. I was thinking about Thunderf00t too, but he was anti-Brexit and he cucked out of politics completely.

>>14898298

I don't give a fuck if it makes me sound "edgy", those chickens hit spineless wastes of life would die in fucking seconds trying to force us in America to do SHIT.

>>14898376

>what other consequences would Trump face not enforcing NATO's treaty if a rebellion were to happen?

Mostly the US stopping being the undisputed hegemon and superpower. US adventurism would break to a stop, and US would (almost) return to pre-WW2 level of international influence. Essentially, by losing europe, US would lose a shitload of its cards, along with its international "empire". Some people might like that outcome. Kikes and neocons most certainly would not and Trump would find himself replaced one way or another very soon.

>>14898403

And of corse the glow in the dark CIA niggers will assassinate Trump and his cabinet out of treason if Trump refuses to comply with NATO.

>>14898403

>Kikes and neocons most certainly would not

So a good thing.

>>14898428

If the executive branch isn't hanged for trason for failure to enforce NATO. Hate this phone.

>On the conrary, it was usually the kings and popes that fended off foreign invasions

You mean the ones that spent most of their careers working as self-interested mercs, switching sides between various clientsallies including the invaders, in spite of later nationalist propaganda, like Charlemagne?

>If the "job" creates a product that is worthless, then the company goes bankrupt.

Unless they're subsidizing artificially low prices with externalities, such as extreme squalor, personal debt, job market monopoly, or a rotating door of gullible migrants/students

>the job needs to be done

>even if the consumer isn't willing to pay minimum wage for it

Contradiction. If it actually has to be done, whatever other part of the economy depends on it would funnel money in to pay for sustainable wages.

>illegally by people working under minimum wage

There are still human traffickers and slaves in the US, but it's obviously a much smaller problem than when those things were legal.

>But guess what, your beloved left opposes than.

The left is broadly opposed to free trade and corporate globalization, pushing for mandatory "FairTrade" (i.e.: tariffs) and openly hating on neolibs are politically correct in the mainstream. I'll admit immigration is a tough nut to crack on the left, but there is more low-key anti-immigration on the left than first appears, such as instance Bernie Sanders and Sahra Wagenknecht.

>>14898446 is for >>14898335

>>14898446

>The left is broadly opposed to free trade and corporate globalization, pushing for mandatory "FairTrade" (i.e.: tariffs) and openly hating on neolibs are politically correct in the mainstream.

<Libs are totally on your side.

>but there is more low-key anti-immigration on the left than first appears, such as instance Bernie Sanders and Sahra Wagenknecht.

>Bernie Sanders

<Trust the kike politician

Yeah I'm having trouble believing you.

>>14898437

Good for everywhere else, bad for the US. USA can no longer be FUCK YEAH WORLD POLICE! However since the USA is in national debt, the globalist investors are going to demand the US to pay back everything or they will take everything. Keep in mind the King Bongo Butt loves to leave behind millions of dollars of millitary equipment in the middle east while at home we're still servicing aircraft carriers from the 70's.

So what happens when the USA defaults on national debt? USA will demand their money back from the banks, who will demand their money from the civilians that can't pay. Then US civilians get everything repo'd, utilities close, businesses close, it'll be 1930s great depression except with more chimpouts.

>>14898513

<Libs are totally on your side.

Remember the massive protests by leftists against NAFTA alongside Ross Perot? Remember the constant WTO/IMF protests filled with leftists shoulder to shoulder with Ron Paulbots? Remember the Occupy movement yelling about exploitation of the 3rd-world drawing in Tea Party elements? This isn't a partisan issue, it's a populist/antipopulist issue.

<Trust the kike politician

He's repeatedly voted against immigration and guest visas like H-1B throughout his career, and made numerous statements explaining that mass immigration is a bad thing for workers in both countries. He just doesn't make a big deal about it, because he knows he'd be strung up from a pole by the SJWs in control of most far-leftist orgs.

>>14898005

>arabs

Economic, cultural and ethnic vampires who literally cannot function as or in higher civilizations without dhimmi intellectual classes, derived from Indo-European Christians & Zoroastrians or asiatic Hindu & Buddhists who are slowly marginalized/eradicated and with them go the nervous system of the Arab state and anything resembling stability, until the entire ridiculous harem-and-barracks state collapses. This continues today, only instead of locally and literally enserfed dhimmi, you have oil money being used to procure everything the Arabs need, of which none they themselves produce or understand. You get one Arab who makes the odd advance in optics, and that's it. The rest is the work of Zoroastrians, Christians, or Greek Platonist-influenced 'Arabs,' most likely of Syriac rather than true peninsular stock. Most all ignoring or rejecting Islam. The Arab laughs because he is incapable of conceiving his own inferiority, and the golden ages of his make are fictional.

>north africans

Extension of the former in all respects, except with far more chattel slave raiding and some competent seamanship. Thoroughly Arabized to the point there is no distinction outside of minorities of the original Berber populations; the Goths and others have presumably all been absorbed by one or the other party or driven out, centuries on centuries ago.

>chinese

Laughingstock of anyone who actually reads of them, as they acquire modest technologic leg-ups- like the very early adoption of the blast furnace, or rudimentary proto-gunpowder corns used for fireworks and cumbersome grenades- and proceed to sit on and shit on them while becoming the most backwards hole of substrata semi-men on Earth outside of Bantu Africa, suffer the exact dynastic chaos, corruption and monstrosities you described as endemic and epidemic to Europe tenfold worse and with far greater consistency, engage in continual dysgenic, involutive overthrow of previous and better dynasties, and generally be fucking awful in all respects. The oldest golden ages are ascribed to non-Chinese rule, with such figures as the Yellow Emperor- who in the oldest accounts is attributed as a foreigner from the steppes, golden-haired, or the Queen Mother of the West. Vague attestations that gain severe clout through the Tarim Basin mummies, the sometimes inhuman idiocy of the Han substrate ruling now, and the great furor with which the Chinese engage in burial of artifacts and shrouding of peculiarly Caucasian-looking 'Uyghur' communities.

>indians

A caste society ruled by Indo-European remnants with Dravidian and Asiatic lower classes. Its intellect is again not 'Indian' in any true nature. Actually manages to preserve a great deal of useful knowledge and create new innovations, which are then misattributed to some of the above parties, in what is essentially a vacuum of much of any other spiritually alive and thus real civilization, even in their lowly state of schizoid Vedic cargo-cultery, continually garbling what they'd inherited.

Please inform me who is the laughingstock when the technical level of Europe was already starting on the ascendant by 1400 and clearly eclipsing by 1500, with the gap only getting worse from there. No, don't cite 'muh Ottoshit cannons!' Those were the work of a mercenary engineer Magyar by the name of Orban. The technology for the bombards itself was rooted in German developments. The Dark Age and the enlightened east are both largely myths; intellectual mercenaryism, dhimmi and pocket Indo-European populations slow the visible process of this overtaking, yet only further indicate it. The havoc and downfall in Europe was a matter of collapsing polities and the following scramble rather than any great loss of knowledge, which merely accompanied it and rather preceded it; late Rome used chain and iron helms, and those following used better chain and iron helms, insofar as they could be afforded, and neither late Rome nor her early successors could maintain or emulate her great infrastructure outside Byzantium, which had survived on her commerce. The picture of a great and enlightened government and its laminata legions vanishing into thin air to be replaced by 'snowniggers' is an absurdity, it was the replacement of a degenerated and Asiaticized stock in Rome with that of unpolluted successors from rougher regions and humbler living.

>>14898575

>>14898161

>The much earlier stuff, from the enlightenment onward, is what laid the foundations for what followed

The creation of nonsensical and stifling 'freedoms' which only created fertile breeding ground for the same exploiting nomadic cliques that had been behind every liberal advance and great disturbance before then, which is to say (((lenders))) and (((merchants.)))

>destroying monarchy/theocracy

To the benefit of no one even considering the corrupted, ossified state of those constructs, the increasing deadness of them and staining of their ideals, with the catastrophic knock-on effects of collective deracination and societal disorganization worse than the worst autocratic infighting or cliquism temporarily mollified by technological advances, vastly increased output of consumer goods, and illusory periods of righteous 'victory' and interwar struggle for farce causes between both World Wars and the Cold War serving as distraction to the populaces at large that they have been hoodwinked into becoming dehumanized chattel for the twin hands of Abomination, which is to say all-devouring gigantic capitalists and the inevitable ethnicity which they bloom out from to exploit and rape and ruinate, supping on our flesh and our souls, and you and yours, useful idiots, bandits, usurpers, materialist pseudo-idealists eternally championing an imaginary, cohering proletariat while slitting the throat of humanity to provide welfare for its worst and second-worst elements; the former being revolutionary filth, opportunist criminals eager to be the first turned out from their cells, the first to the spoils, the first to be employed by a Cheka repression service or a fattened Commissariat, the second being useful-idiots-to-be of left wing trade unionists, syndicalists, and mollified, collaborating workers happy to see change, even though it is not for the better, until it bites them in the ass. And they will be dehumanized until they become like the worst class of men themselves, and become part of that imaginary 'proletariat.'

>>14898581

And finally, this one's a doozy.

>awakening Europe from its slumber

How was it awakened? Parts of it awoke very briefly in parallel with and against your described movements & effects- the actual ones, not your imaginary illiberal liberal democracy- under the most anti-democratic governments imaginable, to the high concepts of mass national struggle and continual rebirth. They were then destroyed by social democracies, pure barracks regimes, communists vaccinating their government with pseudo-nationalism to stave off the counterrevolution, and parafascist co-opters, respectively the Allies, the Chinese, the Soviets, and the hamstringing reactionaries inside the Axis and outside it, disagreeing on few or no points but destroying the entire effort because it's "too radical" or led by their historical rivals. And before you can try to co-opt them yourself as being somehow exemplary of 'true' democracy (while explicitly placing liberal democracy alongside them) or try to cite some Strasserist bottom-up government by comradery like the well poisoning swine you are, please do not. They are not cognate.

I ask, but it is pointless to do so, because that is what you are, as no one could be imagined to say something so stupid as 'liberal social democracy is huwhite and based if you get rid of the modern liberal elements that are directly preceded by every other small social revolution' except for a /leftypol/ shitter trying out a new and idiotically vapid form of shilling by moderation; you can't convince with Marxist poison, so you'll baby step it by trying to shill one of the preceding parts of Marxian dialectic history, a sanitized version half-cut and veneered with the preexisting ideals of the target. Except that doesn't work, and will never work, because just as you cannot convince the demoralized, you cannot turn back the moralized, the genie does not go back in the bottle, so in the absence of converts all that can be done is to create the appearance of a nonexistent minority of backbiting centrist faggots (who coincidentally only argue from and toward the left except when paying lip service to the right and even less to the transcendental) and yawping left-wing substrate, when in reality there is only the latter.

No cooperation, no co-option, no half-measures, no nonsense. The transcendant and ideal does not make devil's deals with either of its opposites. It devours and destroys them like stubble, saving only the best and purest elements and persons, and these only in quarantine until proven, blooded and loyal. At most, it will exploit the Enemy for what it needs; as the effects of Molotov-Ribbentrop had on the coherence of the Axis and impression of reliability between each power shows, even this much is deadly unless handled perfectly. You have nothing we want. Any resemblance of your policies to ours is not grounds for cooperation, is not coincidence, but honey on our tongues to bid us drink down spiritual death; a siren song for sheep and lemmings who want what we proselytize, but are too conforming and fearful to step straight and far, and will instead step off the great road for one good paving stone of your stolen policy, to then be swallowed up and destroyed in the mire of the wayside.

>>14898446

I already provided examples on the contrary, and I do not consider european countries conquering one another to be "different civilization". And no king encouraged muslim hordes to come and displace his own people, like democracies are doing right now

>Unless they're subsidizing artificially low prices with externalities, such as extreme squalor, personal debt, job market monopoly, or a rotating door of gullible migrants/students

wait, the argument was that the product is worthless so nobody wants to buy it, not that people want to buy the product but its price is extremely low. Besides, the things you describe aren't prevented by minimum wage – gullible students often work for free to get "job experience", migrants take jobs under the minimum wage, monopolies are an US staple, etc.

>If it actually has to be done, whatever other part of the economy depends on it would funnel money in to pay for sustainable wages.

provided the costs of not doing the job actually exceed those of minimum wage. Otherwise, it's just going to be employed illegaly. Besides, you tend to forget that even a bad job that is under minimum wage is often better than no job at all.

>The left is broadly opposed to free trade and corporate globalization

The left desires one world government where there are no borders. Everything, from the communist manifesto to today's international policies of leftist politicians clearly shows this intent.

>>14894647

Hey goon.

>>14894681

I wanna cum on his face.

>>14898005

>>greater increase to standard of living in one generation than all of prior history

That's not an accomplishment of democracy though, that is thanks to technology. Even the Soviet Union, which was an absolute totalitarian shithole, managed to have higher standards of living than Russia did in all of prior history.

>>14898263

>thinking that it was sustainable even without Poland and Romania

Let's not forget that Spain, Croatia, Belgium, Slovakia, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Portugal, Estonia, Slovenia, Latvia, Malta, Greece, Lithuania and Luxembourg all take less than they receive.

>Eastern Europe was a mistake

You still have Spain, Belgium, Portugal, Malta, Greece and Luxembourg leeching more than they give. Luxembourg takes more per capita than all of the countries per capita that have a net positive in terms of payment combined.

>>14898575

>muh raise whore

These civilizations waxed and waned under the turbid reign of monarchy/theocracy, much like the swarthy southeast mediterranean part of Europe as opposed to the snowy wastes of fur-clad savages, and when the ascendancy of one coincided with a downfall of Europe, lengthy periods of subjugation and conquest by them invariably followed.

>1400

What a coincidence, the dawn of The Renaissance is commonly dated to the 1300s.

>>14898581

>scientific, industrial, geopolitical, standard of life, and cultural development utterly eclipsing all of history to that point

>worthless

>>14898584

You realize feudalism was the most severe barracks regime imaginable, with people unable to own even the bed they slept on.

>>14898590

>no king encouraged muslim hordes to come and displace his own people

Aside from Caesar, Alexander, Victoria, and everyone else who gained colonial holdings, who eagerly shuffled populations around in a way that would make Stalin jealous, specifically to water down culture and crush dissent.

>not that people want to buy the product but its price is extremely low

People will buy all sorts of things if the price is low enough. In practical terms, "worthless" only means nobody will buy something at the price needed to make it.

>provided the costs of not doing the job actually exceed those of minimum wage.

Yes, otherwise people will just do entirely without it, thus it's unnecessary. Think of ridiculous garbage like hiring a maid or gardener.

>The left desires one world government where there are no borders.

If laws were harmonized upward to eliminate the 3rd-world's weak and corrupt regulatory environment, leaving no shitholes full of poverty and desperation to exploit, before borders were eliminated? Yes.

>>14898801

>trying to respond to everyone in the thread

Are you okay, Anon?

>>14898810

How is that bad?

Also it is wrong. The whole thing is wrong. There is no country that in reality gets more "benefits" than they pay. They just like lying about it.

>>14898839

>replying to a colossal samefag

>replying to everyone in the thread

Sorry for lumping you in accidentally, c5671c

>>14898842

Although I agree no country benefits, it's still possible to measure the amount of money funneled to a particular government. Whether people actually get to see any of that money is a different question but the countries did in fact get money.

>>14898858

Even if it was true, which it is not, it would just mean they are spending the most money trying to buy Polish politicians, but they probably take the money and backstab them immediately.

>>14898847

How do you know it's samefaggotry and not the fact that all that shit doesn't fit in one post?

>>14899033

It's customary to put "continued from >>xxxxxx" at the start and "post x/y" at the end

>>14898801

>raise whore

Not mentioned even once, but good job showing your triggered hand. What was mentioned was that the cited 'enlightened' peoples were always below the level of 'snowniggers,' were suzerainties under them pending destructive usurpations, and relied entirely upon their enslaved or mercenary intellect to engage in conquest against them. Which is to say, your notion of their collectively laughing at poor little pre-libsocindustridem Europe in any fashion other than that of delusionally self-aggrandizing niggers or dishonest continental oriental shits- the same then as now- is fucking ridiculous.

>What a coincidence, the dawn of The Renaissance is commonly dated to the 1300s.

Where there is no 'liberal' political interference occurring, and there will continue to be none for a very long time save in the sense that the merchantile wellspring of abhorrent and alien interests exists in this time and will grow in power, as the so-called 'turbid reign of monarchies' levels out largely through increasing absolute power of the Sovereign and reducing that of his vassals, this even in the infamously decentralized HRE. The increasing mobility of the populace the result of that Sovereign's rule bringing society into order such that they could be freed to begin with, not the other way around. The Enlightenment sprung from absolutism, it did not grow in a vacuum and suddenly form some mythical proto-libdem system.

No, that seed was laid rather in parallel, with the French Revolutionary debacle, which caused nothing but agony for Europe and not least of all in its unintentional creation of the first parafascism of French Napoleonic-chauvinist chest thumping 'nationalism,' which involves nothing to do with the creation of a functional nation state and everything to do with 'fuck germonies, we must blob and fuck over everyone that would eclipse our prestige regardless of potential attitude, muh elan, yuo ar frank now.' I'm sure a reference to the farcical 'reconstructed' Generalplan Ost is impending. And the spring of nations that I'm sure you'll cite was illiberal if anything, as it first imposed the nation-state, based in blood and tongue, in opposition to cosmopolitan imperium. Its lineage only vaguely materially descends from the Jacobin rot and the Napoleonic farce, and only materially, as spiritually it was a revitalization of the divine and absolute border of blood, and saw the upraising of kings, not nonexistent workers' values. The turn of the century following that truly held such movements was again nothing but bandits and butchers and those who aid and abet them, communists and social democrats; hollow nonsense for hollow men.

>>scientific, industrial, geopolitical, standard of life, and cultural development utterly eclipsing all of history to that point

Worthless. The people who enjoy it are worthless. The pseudonations that enjoy it are worthless. The advances themselves pale to the real or imagined greatness of forgotten ages, and are made without regard for this sense of wonderment, in petty sterile inquiry that is sterilized of truth at every turn. All of it is ashes regardless of tainted theoretic proceed, because the Ideal is murdered to furnish grist for the mills of the consumer in definite physical proceed. Better the world starves to the marrow, reduced once more to knapped rocks and reclaimed metal, than exist as conquerors and great spirits turned imprisoned neurotic man-cattle, or as deprived animal-men turned into a kind of ghetto-geese, stuffed fat on welfare to harvest the political foie gras of votes rather than their swarthy livers.

>You realize feudalism was the most severe barracks regime imaginable, with people unable to own even the bed they slept on.

And still superior to what followed, because land and people were one, and the rulers ruled with something vaguely resembling a national sense through their simple recognition of blood, with rule by foreign crowns a naturally dissonant affair. Even as a patchwork of Sovereign, his vassal-syndicates, and their land bonded subjects, it is superior to the involutive following systems. Nevermind that freedom is for free spirits, intangibles, for daemons and small gods, and Men are on Earth for some purpose, which demands collective and sacrifice, precisely the opposite of bottom-up backbiting. Feudalism isn't to be moved past; it's to be made more sophisticated, until an absolute, iron system is set into place to beat out all impurity within and without. This neither from above nor below, but outwards from all angles, from all points, all-swallowing.

>>14899180

>Aside from Caesar, Alexander, Victoria, and everyone else who gained colonial holdings, who eagerly shuffled populations around in a way that would make Stalin jealous, specifically to water down culture and crush dissent.

And so it is that these elements are hated, decried, bemoaned and loathed, recognized as causes of eventual destruction, because they betrayed the Ideal; which demands absolute loyalty and effort within, and an even hand without, ready to strike as necessary, but restrained from despoiling and from realpolitikal nonsense and multiethnic imperial grafting. Nevermind that these colonial initiatives, every single one, will have involved Jews. Cicero spoke openly of their monstrosity; Alexander and his successors employed Jewish soldier-tax collectors to police the Levant and Mesopotamia; England's colonial ventures were nothing more than an extension of Jewish mercantilism and the Rothschild family interest once that dynasty had developed. Of course, it must be some evil unique to monarchy, rather than to the (((merchantilists))) who always and will always appear under cosmopolitan circumstances, and have increased in number and influence under liberal government, not decreased. Praise be this lending, raping, gorging party who have saved us with gelt, bond and ballot obscure.

>If laws were harmonized upward to eliminate the 3rd-world's weak and corrupt regulatory environment, leaving no shitholes full of poverty and desperation to exploit, before borders were eliminated? Yes.

Impossible. You would have to cut aid, starve and depopulate entire continents before then recolonizing them, subordinating them, domesticating and selectively breeding them for the best qualities, because genetically it is simply not there and education & epigenetics can only go so far. At this point, you may as well simply return to autocracy and naked imperialism; nevermind that you should shirk the latter in the first place. Unless you are a Lysenkoist, wheat will not become barley. Lemurian animal-men will not become upraised human beings overnight. It is very well impossible that they ever could. You will acquire the veneer of their becoming civilized, while in fact they will have veiled their savagery, become cleverer, more vicious, hiding it and engaging in it wherever they go. Even those of no malign thought will be ruled by aggression and want-filled hormonal systems that are unalike to those of the developed and largely Indo-European first world.

All you will do is expand the second world; which is to say, create a thousand new Brazils and Venezuelas, each as rotten as the last, a vast ethno-economic boil of dysgenic filth. In spite of this, you rotten faggots will reach this conclusion eventually, unhappily, and either engage in it while also trying to kill as much of the developed world population as possible, or ignore it and continue down the route of national blending and world browning to acquire a dumb and homogenous enough consumer population that you can graft the apathetic louses together under one meaningless banner.

>>14898847

>>14899057

Multiposts aren't samefaggery, you absolute goonish stooge, and the use of no formal postcount for not having definitely counted the length or skimping on 'continued from' mild waste text- that's what it is if you get every post out without interruption, it's pointless if they're end to end with the same ID anyways- out does not magically make it so. Do you understand any of the terms you use? Did they not give you a primer when you came here to shill, or were you too stupid to read it? A samefag is someone who replies to themselves in a board with no IDs or with a VPN, with the intent of deceit, sockpuppeting. You are small time, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were speaking from a guilty conscience and had been talking at yourself earlier in the thread. This >>14899033 anon asks the armor piercing question in no time at all. Let me ask you another; are you retarded, you scumsucking, backbiting, moderating, concern trolling social democratic dicklicker?

>>14899180

>>14899195

You have this aptitude for writing and you waste it upon this site.

>>14899180

>Where there is no 'liberal' political interference occurring

Aside from the very foundations of the free, republican, enlightenment humanism that would tear feudalism/theocracy to shreds.

>increasing absolute power of the Sovereign

In the intellectual stewpots of Italian city states (many of which, like Venice, were anything but unified), really?

>because land and people were one

I'm sure the cosmopolitan intermarriage necessitated by feudalism, frequently resulting in foreign rulers certainly strengthened this. Not to mention the fact that republican democratic revolutions ferociously crushed by nobility from the 1600s to the 1900s were almost invariably nationalist in character.

>>14899195

>And so it is that these elements are hated, decried, bemoaned and loathed

…As golden ages compared to the disunified abject squalor of mediaeval feudalism, which each petty baron appealed to in their effort at conquering their rivals and re-unifying the known world.

>Impossible. […] because genetically it is simply not there

<What is the Flynn Effect

Kek, they're already predicted to catch up with us in crystalized intelligence. All we have to do is force 1st-world industrial regulations on them through subsidized FairTrade, bribe their dictators out of power, and wait a decade or two for poverty to evaporate.

Reminder that as recently as the early 1900s, the Scandinavian countries remained famine-wracked rapefugee-spewing shitholes on par with Subsaharan Africa, then Marshall Aid and socdem governments following WWII turned them into the richest countries on the planet by the 1970s.

>>14899379

>free, republican enlightenment humanism

'L'etat, c'est moi!' and Frederick's top-down rule sure are cognate with the mob screeching 'Liberte, egalite, fraternite!' One marked the rule of a single sovereign, a diet philosopher-king, over one people and to their benefit. The other marked the deaths of thousands and the erection of Judaism-tainted Masonry- as if there is much of any other- over any legitimate rulership and nation, first by way of the Jacobins and thousands of heads cleft, bellies split, bones smashed, and then by Napoleon's revitalizing revolutionary imperialism and shrieking Franco-nationalism. The same mold as Lenin and Stalin. First, ideologically pure Marxian revolution, impure by the second part; then, as the butcherous regime teeters, co-option of the eternal spirit, blunting counterrevolution through a rollback of some of the insanity, as a realpolitikal tool. Exactly as you are doing now, by creating a nonexistent national liberalism, the lie of the golden goose of liberal policy that has merely been tainted by mismanagement, recodifying previous propaganda against all alternatives while claiming to really be standing for what they claimed to all along. Which of these does nationalism descend from, and which of these liberalism, I wonder? If they're even forks on the same tree, it almost seems as if they're terribly far back and diametrically opposed in spite of small interminglings and mirrorings!

>that would tear feudalism/theocracy to shreds

To the effect of continuing, slow, intellectual death, as eternal ideals are smashed in favor of the dole, of distributism, of petty hedonism and the melding of peoples as economic lubricants. Things that you argue for, only done 'better,' the problem not being that animal-men are being used to displace and destroy Western populations, but that it's being done to economic loss; of course it would be fine if the filth were as functional as your propaganda says! Pray, you ask, why don't you help me make the conditions right for this impossibility to be reality? Please, stay in the pot, I'll just turn the heat down a few notches. Would you like some scent for your bath, Mr. Frog? I have garlic, onion, wine…

>In the intellectual stewpots of Italian city states (many of which, like Venice, were anything but unified), really?

And in the courts of sovereigns from Spain to Poland, in the abbey officers of priests and friars, harvesting thought from diaspora Greeks and their antecedents as matters of personal interest. But of course, the anarchic Italians did everything; the French and Germans played no part at all. And the bickering disunity and the merchantile filth that especially marks Venice, these are things to strive for. Nevermind that these city-states would eventually, inevitably amalgamate together as one entity under one sovereign, how peculiar.

>I'm sure the cosmopolitan intermarriage necessitated by feudalism, frequently resulting in foreign rulers certainly strengthened this.

No, when amongst peoples too far apart in blood or tongue it weakened it, quite surely. But what does this matter to you and your farcical argument, simultaneously pushing a national liberalism while extolling one world without borders and explicitly so? To me, it is a sin to be condemned, a fly in the ointment to be plucked out; what is white, clear and whole in it will on the other hand be extracted.

>Not to mention the fact that republican democratic revolutions ferociously crushed by nobility from the 1600s to the 1900s were almost invariably nationalist in character.

The dying pains of sovereignty, the birthing pains of anarchy. Both to be bemoaned.

>As golden ages compared to the disunified abject squalor of mediaeval feudalism

In which men settled with and by the sword, bonded to their patch of land, lived with unsoiled blood in relative autarky, bonded to a sovereign with weight and meaning, as opposed to living on daily bread and games in a navel-gazing collapse under the weight of whoredom, occupation, incompetence and the monstrosity of good sovereigns continually being traded for bad, of Praetorian plots and slaughters, and the advent of an even then mangled and Judaized Christianity to tear it apart at the bidding of (((merchantilists))) who were engaging in the same sins then as now. I wonder if there's a pattern here? Empires rise, empires collapse, always involving acidic deconstructional elements and the shirking of ideals, along, in spite of or in the absence of alleged 'progress?'

>>14899704

>Kek, they're already predicted to catch up with us in crystalized intelligence.

By (((who,))) I wonder? Because (((they've))) been predicting that for a century with no notable improvement. The Indians remain pure maintainers of civilization, incapable of producing it, and are only getting worse all the time with the advent of liberalization and industry. The Chinese are still a nation of huckstering shits desperately staving off the next dynastic collapse- in spite of their apathy or hatred for those that rule them- because of its attendant horrors. The Arab is a squatter who lives by pillaging or by plying what is before him, with no industrial craft to really rival the West because they do not need it and could scarcely manage it. Africans are literal retards who barely improve regardless of education or naturalization; the mental ceiling is too low outside of fluke cases. The old Western views hold fast and true.

>All we have to do is force 1st-world industrial regulations on them through subsidized FairTrade, bribe their dictators out of power, and wait a decade or two for poverty to evaporate.

Of course. I'm sure that's what will happen, and not an endless mass of useless eaters continually trying to flee anywhere but where they are no matter how much conditions seem to improve- they have already been seized by the myth of migration- and better able to do so because of the improvement of their conditions and easier legitimization of their movement. Africa does not need 'fair trade.' Its dictators do not need bribes. We need not solve their poverty. Africa should be starved, its industries evacuated, its great shanty towns emptied but for the dead, and overall reduced to the abhorrent natural conditions that race is suited for. This is a vastly easier solution than attempting to herd cats by making them adopt civilization they do not have the faculties to understand, because they have not evolved the level of comprehension to do so as their concept-deprived languages indicate. Your policy to moderate fails and does us no good. We have no interest.

>Reminder that as recently as the early 1900s, the Scandinavian countries remained famine-wracked rapefugee-spewing shitholes on par with Subsaharan Africa

Save that their immigrants are in no way equivalent to rapefugees- please, continue quoting enemy vocabulary, I'm sure it will magically legitimize you- and that even the lowest little ground-dug cobble house and mossen roof is above the condition of the African mud-shanty or molded claybrick fort.

>then Marshall Aid and socdem governments following WWII turned them into the richest countries on the planet by the 1970s.

Interesting how apparently it's after WW2 that they become most developed- where previously Sweden, Norway and Finland had developed/built modest little cruiser navies, tanks, planes, brought reasonably modern armies into place, and Sweden's production of iron was already substantial enough that the Scandinavia was a prime strategic concern for both the Allies and the Axis, to the point that Churchill was preparing to invade both Norway and Sweden to cut the supply off- and yet you solely attribute this level of development to the Marshall Plan, and mark it as solely postwar. Also interesting how you attribute to the SocDems the economic victory, when in Norway the fascists had been physically ousted and murdered with Quisling damned forever as a traitor for calling out and casting out the Norwegian social democrats who explicitly planned to allow the Soviets intot he country, and the neutral Swedish tiger sided immediately with the victors as they'd always planned, who, as it turned out, were democrats!

>>14899711

It's almost like the aid only acted as economic lubricant for developing secondary powers that were already well within the first world and on their way to prominence, and indeed, almost as if- to use your own Marxian-materialist dialectic or something like it- the prevailing economic conditions and momentum were already in place for their prosperity, and the Social Democrats being shunted into power simultaneously is economically irrelevant (((pure cohencidence))) imposed by the victors directly and indirectly. But, oh dear, that can't be right. I'm sure it's the magic of national liberalism that made them great, and not a postwar economic boom that would have inevitably emerged in identical or greater fashion, only under a German-fascist sphere rather than an Anglo-democratic one.

Why, the fact that Scandinavian social democrats almost immediately in the postwar were advocating for farcically naive open border policies and have continued to do so, surely isn't a mark of an inherent malady of the ideology or the malevolence of its insincere practitioners? I'm sure if we scream about how Germanic snowniggers are the worst plague on Earth- and don't you dare look behind the curtain of Merkels' ethnopolitical past or the (((EU)))'s proper nature, something something Coudenhove-Kalergi- and how we need more of those lovely domesticated Turks and Afrarabricans to replace the wild ones we've currently got. I'm sure.

>>14899358

Personally, I think it's too verbose and not as good as it could be, but it gets the job done. 'Job' being socking shillposters in the mouth with more text than they can actually fully and credibly respond to, the lazy faggots, or clearing up misconceptions in areas of narrow personal interest.

In particular, note how he sidesteps every bit about idealism or ideological impurity, to instead continue repeating nonsense in the band that he can manage to respond in. How he cannot grasp the concept of platonic shapes versus mundane implementation, or how such an argument damns his end far more, 'never been tried,' so on. He has not once denied being a Marxist beast. Not once addressed the wholehearted rejection of him and of any compromise. Just more question-beggaring, with the barest effort, and niggish gloating by lie. Because he is a /leftypol/ nigger masquerading as otherwise.

>>14899704

>Nevermind that these city-states would eventually, inevitably amalgamate together as one entity under one sovereign, how peculiar.

Italy imploded in war almost immediately after its slow formation completed under Geribaldi, while petty Germanic kangdoms (even the brief AHE and Bismarck never unified them all) remained broken clear to the present Germany/Austria/Switzerland.

>your farcical argument, simultaneously pushing a national liberalism while extolling one world without borders

Authoritarianism has historically promoted squabbling chaos thanks to the sociopathic personalities it cultivates in leadership, while shredding authentic folk culture as a potential threat to its absolute power and demand for utterly loyal sycophants. The Enlightenment seeks a path of freedom, where we organize our laws in harmonious brothership, while allowing our distinctive cultures to flourish unblemished by tyranny.

>>14899711

>they've been predicting that for a century with no (((notable))) improvement

<again, what is the Flynn Effect

>even the lowest little ground-dug cobble house and mossen roof is above the condition of the African mud-shanty or molded claybrick fort

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF SHIT/POL/E

>developed/built modest little cruiser navies, tanks, planes, brought reasonably modern armies into place, and Sweden's production of iron was already substantial enough that the Scandinavia was a prime strategic concern for both the Allies and the Axis

Just like Africa now, with its key strategic importance as a target for transnational exploitation and arms trade. Just like Africa then, with battles there helping turn the tide of both World Wars.

>note how he sidesteps every bit about idealism or ideological impurity

Because the "ideals" and "purity" you mourn are universally and rightly despised as the shackles that chained humanity to iron-age at best progress, combined with cyclic civilizational collapses back to the stone age, for millennia, until a random quirk of philosophical advancement tore its fangs from our neck, and rocketed global civilization forward into its rightful place at the space age.

>never been tried

As my repeated emphasis of capitalist revolutions failing against both feudalist resistance and their own incompetence for 400 years, and my repeated praise for the gifts bestowed by social democratic mixed economies make clear, the only "problem" with socialism isn't any failure to attempt it, but that we are barely a century along its rocky path.

>>14899860

The Chinks consider the Niggers and Sand Niggers both sub-human savages. Not only that they have no respect for nature nor their fellow.

The Poo-in-the-Loos also consider the Niggers and Dune ape savage worthy of nothing more than a cleansing yet here you are arguing that the different species of nigger are our equals.

In addition those Poos and Gooks only hold the capacity to STEAL ideas and to a limited degree INNOVATE not invent. The only race besides the Europeans that have the ability to invent is the Nips which are a weird group with their own unique problems.

Why would anyone take you seriously when you spout such nonsense?

>>14900019

> The only race besides the Europeans that have the ability to invent is the Nips which are a weird group with their own unique problems.

You don't suppose it was all the nuclear radiation do you?

>>14895083

Sadly this.

>>14897260

>le hitler was controlled op meme

bump

>>14900057

Nips already had higher literacy than Yuropoors centuries before WWII or Perry. It's just a historical quirk of their sociopolitical dependence on bureaucracy.

>>14894563

Memes and thoughtful discussion are not mutually exclusive.

i used to think we should glass the middle east

now i think we should glass the eu too

>>14900300

yes they fucking are.

>>14894772

Eurotards bleed soy. They've made their bed and they will lie in it happily. The only option is an invasion and domination from a white country.

>>14900335

la creatura

>>14899835

>(3)

>first post 'ha ha dumb gamergoys, this is nothing'

>second post ironic 'this law is a big deal! activism!' half-ironically

>third post the mask is removed for self aggrandizement

Leftyniggers in action.

>>14899860

>Authoritarianism has historically promoted squabbling chaos thanks to the sociopathic personalities it cultivates in leadership, while shredding authentic folk culture as a potential threat to its absolute power and demand for utterly loyal sycophants. The Enlightenment seeks a path of freedom, where we organize our laws in harmonious brothership, while allowing our distinctive cultures to flourish unblemished by tyranny.

<Democracy has historically promoted squabbling chaos thanks to the sociopathic personalities it cultivates in electorship, while shredding authentic folk culture as a potential threat to its plutrocratic powers and demand for blackmailedly loyal sygoyphants. The Fascist seeks a path of freedom, where we organize our laws in harmonious brothership, while allowing our distinctive cultures to flourish unblemished by niggatry.

>Just like Africa now, with its key strategic importance as a target for transnational exploitation and arms trade.

I wasn't aware that imports of rusty AKs & PT boats into the heart of darkness and entirely foreign-led and engineered resource exploitation with modest native labor contribution, on occasion, is cognate with the native industries and second-class actual military- largely homegrown even with license production- of a set of developing and already first-world European nations. Tell me more about these flimsy parallels.

>what is the Flynn Effect

Pseudoscience based on observation of long term European IQ increases, predicting and 'observing' a parallel in other areas that is entirely unreliable for application anywhere else due to artificially boosted colored test scores in American colleges alone and demerited white & asiatic ones reflecting the intense plausibility of the same being done by publishers of the statistic you cite, the doubtless parallel in black-ruled countries, the epidemic cheating of the continental Chinese often with institutional support in order to increase their national prestige, and the far more tangibly observable incompetence and unintelligence of black Africans and mullatoes in all walks of life compared to non-black equivalents? All this with the excuse of non-whites having 'different forms of intelligence?' Born out of the same apologism in and explicitly named by the authors of The Bell Curve, proclaiming that although the gap in white-black intelligence is there, obvious, and 'partly' genetic, 'we are resolutely agnostic on that issue' while Flynn himself proclaims that African IQs are rising with a ceiling no lower than the ceiling whites seem to be reaching (under circumstances that are far more dysgenic to them than the dole-fed Africans now) and will surely reach the same level as the races of the developed world, really truly, it'll just take time. Time that we do not have. Time that we really ought not to spend. Time that is entirely superfluous from a pragmatic standpoint of which people ought to replace which.

You simply ignored the point that it is insensible to attempt to civilize Africa, versus decimating it and doing so many times over. Why, precisely? You are already treating them like pets while pretending that they are men, equivalent men if nothing else. Man is already a disposable economic unit that you will extol as 'individual,' lying through your teeth as you seek to collectivize them by your own dishonest means while feigning naivete or truly drowning in it. I ask again. Why should we develop the African world versus exterminating its ill elements and replacing them with already mentally and morally superior stock- even the dumbest burger that has not crossed into the realm of the archconsumerist hamplanet or liberal idiot yuro stands head and shoulders above the savage, spiritual ruin or no- who will in far quicker time become good socialists, create socialist infrastructure, and exploit resources in social fashion? The idea that Africa is developing is rank nonsense. Even if they are rising higher, it will only be high enough to despoil and destroy those civilizations whose gates are opened more easily and totally, so that the remainders of both sides can then be subjugated by those who instituted the blending policies & trends. Your idealist socialism will not emerge from these confines. You will get your one-world government by long arms in the hands of automatons and traitors whose leashes are held by the most gigantic financiers, who have been playing this dialectic game of one social experiment against another for two centuries or longer. It is a bad idea, and there are simpler and better ones to employ, higher peoples to strive for than lowly Homo Erectus 2.0, and higher ideals to strive for than distributism.

>>14900344

>Because the "ideals" and "purity" you mourn are universally and rightly despised

Except by any non-liberal non-city dweller and a measure of the latter, who will naturally and rightfully recognize them as his own once elucidated to him no matter the language they used beforehand or even after; they'll yearn for strongmen, and make them, and become them, and kill what is ill with the bludgeon that would be turned against them if idle. They will smell snake oil on you, who preach the party line of today as if it were revolutionary, and swing as hard as possible in the opposite direction. You have lost them. You lost the middle class and the white working class, almost everywhere. You are at the head of hordes of envious swarthy undermen as an exploiter and a self-interested bandit, unknowing or denying that they will devour you as soon as you earn victory for them. But I don't care how overestimated you think the reach of my ideal is; if you think that yours hold more sway, you are fantastically deluded, and I always find this very strange with the transcendant ideal devouring itself in literal mythology that Marxists manage to be both less connected to reality and less worthy to write their world out upon it.

>the shackles that chained humanity to iron-age at best progress

Is that why all premodern progress has been largely or fully by conflict, by the sword, and by the homebound innovator, and not by modern and postmodern navel gazers waiting for the next fall of Rome? Is that why distributist-populist movements have been poison from day one, preying on weak civilizations at their end, with the meagerest exceptions of the like of the German peasants' war? I would praise it for the revolt against the empty clergy and all their abominations, their defilements of what little of the great gifts on high they'd inherited; you in the fashion of Engels' proto-class warfare. The fact that even that much is shared disgusts me.

>combined with cyclic civilizational collapses back to the stone age

Inevitable. Time is entropic, the world is involutive. Each new crop of civilization has to be built on ashes in this world until it is consummated by completion or death. It won't be by your hand in either case, as you wish for eternal life in a universe subject to heat-death. Even the wildest success will leave you in the end, the gates of whatever pleromatic heaven rests above shut tight until you buck up and realize you were full of shit, practicing ideals to your benefit that sounded nice, sounded terribly benevolent, in spite of all result of your ideals that reject the natural and reject the process of it without any actual transcendent idea of what comes after, only a fetid notion of 'more bread is better,' and 'everything that is caustic to what Is in civilization must be allowed to speak and act, except that which is caustic to the caustic.'

>until a random quirk of philosophical advancement tore its fangs from our neck

And put the scything maws of inhumans over the whole body of humanity, to be torn and shorn and bit and mangled and gored 'til there's nothing left of the consumer or the consumed but rot and confusion, asking where precisely the naive notion of following the sheeniest looking golem shits and those who follow, praise, or abet them when they promise a utopia built on undermine and overthrow, destroying everything that preceded it.

>and rocketed global civilization forward into its rightful place at the space age.

Through the thoroughly fascistic German science of Von Braun, and not merely as a springboard considering how he stuck around. To the effect of making the barest observations of our surrounding solar system. Which itself is to the effective effect of nothing, save the bare minimum of a low-gravity environment for novel scientific progress, and the material science used to achieve it, which is largely hyperspecialized or otherwise squandered. Aerogels are pretty sick, though. This democratic system is truly pushing the bounds of high science by squatting upon all manner of classified information and shuttered theory, meanwhile, with the barest string of funding and all manner of research into means to allow the oligarchy behind both ends of the conventional political axis to cement itself forever in the shadows behind your eventual controlled revolution. Thank you. You've truly done a service to humanity in your religion of ebin Science.™

>>14900348

>my repeated praise for the gifts bestowed by social democratic mixed economies

Which consist of ethnic ruin, nonsense policy, government by bad-counted ballot as enforced by bullet or bludgeon which then developed into government by electric or irrelevant ballot and the intelligence syndicated news cycle, mass deracination, degeneration, trivialization of culture followed by its stifling followed by outright destruction, the rule of aliens over natives as enforced by the (((universal alien))) who owns you and your false ideals. Why would any nativist be skeptical? How could we look at you sidelong when you proclaim social democracy or democratic socialism or some similar rot is the true revolutionary path in a time of crisis, when that is the line we are already following to our doom? That you will be the one to not be a shyster killing sixty million Christian Slavs, burning Bavaria, or running a midnight rape train throughout Hungary?

>the only "problem" with socialism isn't any failure to attempt it, but that we are barely a century along its rocky path.

We are nowhere along its path. 'Socialism' in the true sense was totally derailed in 1945, and had been poisoned into torpor long before then by compromises with reactionaries, with petty conservatives, with existing power structures, instead of overturning and devouring them from the start. Mussolini was first, when he betrayed the right-syndicalists by failing to effect true and substantial economic reform, instead working with the industrialists as opposed to making them work for him and failing to purge the old officership to impose a new meritocracy from scratch; then, Primo de Rivera is left to die by Franco with no breakout attempted by the intervention forces, allowing Spain to become a parafascist tumor of little use to anyone as the Falange is swallowed and marginalized by the monarchists, veneered in fascism with no real policy or ideology; Adolf Hitler scourged the SA and killed Ernst Rohm when informed the 'second revolution' was impending with French support and would strike him down personally, rather than re-securing Rohm's loyalty and using him as a tool to totally dismantle the Junkers' grip on power and the Waffenamt's overconservative stranglehold on procurement, preempting all their plots and betrayals;the Japanese next, with the Kodoha faction effectively ceasing to exist following the February 26th incident, when the Emperor answers 'No!' to those demanding the restoration of his true absolute power and the reorganization & revitalization of the government along true totalitarian lines; Codreanu is murdered in Romania by the Jewess-smitten shit of a king, and later his Legionaries are betrayed by Marisal Antonescu with tacit German approval; so on and so forth, as numerous movements stall or are repressed or find themselves briefly brought into power in a very late hour by appointment to later betray or be betrayed. Mosley in particular comes within what seems like inches of entering by ballot or appointment, but the voters remain uninformedly stodgy, George abdicates to marry rather than keep the throne (and marry the divorcee to spite Parliament, who would dissolve the government) and Churchill imprisons the fascist leadership

>>14896775

Leftist subverter exposed.

Use ANYTHING to kill all enemies.

>>14896871

Yeah, sure, impotent soyboy.

No one believes in your narrative. We post in between the killings. "Accidents"? Us. "Poisoning"? Us. "Suicide"? Us. And so on.

The thread is about what to do to prevent EU from spreading and shitting up something. The answer is: kill those that are a part of it.

>>14896796

As it must be.

>>14900373

All there is really left to say is this; you have no ideals. Ideals are something that you hold in spite of pragmatism, in spite of what is convenient, in spite of what everyone tells you, in spite of the 'rational' as imposed by reasoned men without sense common or otherwise. Ideals are something that you die for, commit atrocities for, go into hermitage for, and rave ludicrously on Manchurian railway bombing boards for; I will eternally and humorously cite Goebbels in defense of this incongruence of speech and present action- it's only 2018 after all, the Nazi Party was founded in 1924 and I have a certain inclination to believe the pattern is roughly repeating itself, with Trump not as Hitler, but Hindenburg- that immense club-limbed depressive, and if there's any veracity to the anecdote supposedly from Heydrich's Salon Kitty operation, a complete y/u/ri poster. What you have instead is a modern, material religion, one you have selected out of convenience, external pressure and a vague sense that something is wrong, and that you are dissatisfied, that you feel rebellious, and so you have allowed that little seed of idealism in you to be parasitized by a dead ideology walking. One that has neither birth nor death nor rebirth in it, because it never lived.

The fact that you can bald-facedly lie to hold ideals with no intangibility, no greatness, no gigantism, and no promise at all beyond the dole except these elements which have been stolen from my party to grant greater stability and palatability to yours never ceases to stupify me. The fact that you can hold it with such conviction, when you've been forced to see no great untruth, suffered no ego death- be it the Holocaust lie, or the myth of human equity, the sheer murderous death count of Sovietism, a read of the never-truly-debunked Protocols or their visibly holding true regardless of veracity, or the visible - and yet you cling to it with insatiable narcissism, the lot of you. I refuse to believe you can be sincerely consumed. We have had time to observe the effects of the dual democratic-Soviet victory, the reality of things, the absurd slander of the Axis powers, and the speaking-doing divide that is far greater in your deeds than mine. You cannot believe the things you believe, and do the things you do, because it does not merely make no sense, it is anti-sensical, it is a series of nonsequiturs astride the most ridiculous historical dialectic ever constructed and the only one to say that it is deterministic and dare to try to scientifically prove itself with itself, as if it were self-evident religious truth. You don't get to do that. I get to do that, in citing actual intangibles and sanctifications, all of this cultic business.

>>14900388

In spite of the obviously more seductive, more organic, and frankly truer end of things in transcendentalism, which even for the most ardent atheist, who disbelieves in its promises entirely, is visible as the mold with greater utility because it is believed and followed readily by both great and small and strange men in many walks of life, you remain within a dead ideology walking. In your camp rest the occasional savant, a great clique of snake oil men in professors and sham authors, the string pullers in your Soroses, Warburgs, Rockefellers & Rothschilds, and a legion of imbeciles hoping to thieve their daily bread and strike in spite at their fellows, and murder their betters, with the justification of a totally material, totally invented historical determinism with no basis in fact at all. It is a terribly safe choice of ideal, as it seems for the moment to be on the ascendant with a few hiccups, and asks nothing of you save that you maintain our current destructive inertia, as we are surely in growing pains and nothing more. If you're even the least bit sincere about all this while being the least bit dangerous, meanwhile- if you actually have any stand to take against the paymasters of your sham ideal, and its constructors, if you begin spiraling on towards purity and towards the eradication of your puppeteers- your line will be cut and you will be shut out, because you are the most controlled opposition imaginable, worse than any CIA nigger and his satanazi seej crew, Trump pressure release or alt-kike ancap. Because your strings are your own.

You are the prototype of the modern glaze-eyed First World Problem Solver, and have been replaced by them, made obsolete and largely hybridized into them. How can you be so pig-headed as to follow the nonsense of archaic leftism? How can you be this blind? You're sleepwalking through the truth, feasting on a diet of hot air and good feelings about the bright future of your fellow useful idiots and the great masses of bestial pseudohumans, half-men and olive skinned dullards who will sell you down the river the instant it's viable and beneficial. How does useful idiocy take root so deep in you? How do I cut it out again? It doesn't make sense. It's never made sense. What should be a transitional phase on the way to the same realization Mussolini made of the emptiness of pure material ideology, has remained and will continue to remain buried in you. If there ever was a chance you could do so, it is the foulest tragedy. If not, it is foul that there are those in your ranks that could have, and that you are as you are and can't.

Without escapism, maybe the eurocucks will do something about their terrible governments.

>>14900411

Not until they ban football they wont.

>>14900344

>The Fascist seeks a path of freedom, where we organize our laws in harmonious brothership

Fascist philosophy from Heidegger to Evola worships the idea of conflict, to the point where fashy paradise is explicitly described as a Valhalla-Like shifting sea of nations perpetually starting wars for shits and giggles and blasting each other to smithereens.

>while allowing our distinctive cultures to flourish unblemished by niggatry.

Which, after partially completed white genocides like Generalplan-Ost, and undoubtedly precarious future relations between fascist regimes such as Germany and Japan, surely wouldn't escalate into petty racial hairsplitting down to the same level that once caused Celts/Saxons/Jutes/Angles/Normans/etc. in Britain to wage wars of ethnic extermination against each other.

>Why should we develop the African world versus exterminating its ill elements

Why weren't the snowniggers exterminated by the Greeks, Romans, Turks, Mongols, etc., instead of lifting the poor filthy little rampaging murderhobos into members of civilization?

>>14900348

>Except by any non-liberal non-city dweller

Shill for tyranny the face of any citizen in the free world, and you will be met with absolute rage and disgust. The furthest backward you're likely to find sympathy is warped lolbert images of homesteading settlers, rightist in any way only because of tyrants attempting to weasel their universally loathed agenda under the radar.

>This democratic system is truly pushing the bounds of high science by squatting upon all manner of classified information and shuttered theory

Interesting that space programs and modernist optimism only ground to a halt in the 1970s, when transnational neocon/neolib antipopulism quashed the labor unions and socdems that had been fueling our steady ascent into the stars.

>>14900388

>you have no ideals. Ideals are something that you hold in spite of pragmatism, in spite of what is convenient, in spite of what everyone tells you, in spite of the 'rational' as imposed by reasoned men without sense common or otherwise.

My ideals are well founded precisely because of their rationality, their repeated vindication by history. Your ideals are founded on nonsensical romanticism and gullibly ingested propaganda, for periods of history marked by their stagnation, and people marked by their utter defeat or self-destruction.

>>14900457

>Fascist philosophy from Heidegger to Evola worships the idea of conflict, to the point where fashy paradise is explicitly described as a Valhalla-Like shifting sea of nations perpetually starting wars for shits and giggles and blasting each other to smithereens.

Horror if purely applied, but a fresh horror. Old and new, vibrant and necessary. Pleasant indeed compared to death by rot and a permanent freeze in that rot.

>partially completed white genocides like Generalplan-Ost

Boom. Called it all the way up here >>14899180 , try again dear friend. I trust the Allied reconstructionists, their lack of original documents or possession of (((original documents,))) and their nonappearing key witnesses thoroughly, but not that thoroughly.

>undoubtedly precarious future relations between fascist regimes such as Germany and Japan

What's a little cold war between friends?

>surely wouldn't escalate into petty racial hairsplitting

Well, maybe a little. The Allies and Comintern in spite of being two heads of the same beast fell on each other quickly enough, didn't they? Ah, what's that? The cold war was dialectic conflict imposed from above by the great Rothschild hydra? I'm sure we'd end up with a hackish althistory parallel anyways. It's not like the Himmlerists and the Eight Crown Cordists are ever going to look at the implications of MAD and the power balance with Fortress America and decide to set some reasonable boundaries between respective halves of Eurasia until that problem can be solved or they can fuck off to space, maybe share the odd competitive spheres of influence in India or the like (I'm sure Mosleyan Britain would also be jockeying for influence) or otherwise come to a point where they wouldn't obliterate each other. They were ideologically impure enough to fail to fully apply their ideology, but apparently not enough to not launch into a death spiral instantly to the smug satisfaction of the left-wing author.

>Celts/Saxons/Jutes/Angles/Normans/etc. in Britain (…) wage wars of ethnic extermination against each other.

Considering the intermarriage and continued existence & descendancy of all of the above, they sure did a poor part of exterminating each other. A little brother war is good for the soul so long as there's no hawks waiting in the wings to eat up the lot of you.

>Why weren't the snowniggers exterminated by the Greeks

Nonpriority, shared ethnic roots, useful mercenary source. Occasionally beat on each other anyways in the wars between Kiev and Byzantium. The religion and the crown go north, unfortunately on the former part.

>Romans

Nonpriority, shared ethnic roots, 'useful' foederati source. Also because they were too busy whoring out the ideals of both the essentially fascist Republic and the (unsurprisingly) imperial Empire to do anything useful beside collapsing.

>Turks

Incompetent. Need dhimmis. Need janissaries. Tried anyways. Failed. Somehow still squatting on Constantinople.

>Mongols

Tried, as a matter of "I told you I'd fuck you up, look what you made me do!" Succeeded in places. Promptly returned to the steppe to fug horses.

Perhaps the most important conclusion here for the materialist mold; Indo-Europeans, even the undeveloped and rudimentarily civilized, are useful' and human,''' as they have a peculiar spirit and intellect in them that conquered half the known world even as it was a venture embarked on and parasitized by the Other of Others. None of the colored empires would run long or without a hitch without either leadership of or chattel viziers provided by them. You may look to the Chinese as to where

Africans are not. Their idiocy is quaint. Their rudimentary art is kitsch. They have a charmingly childlike nature that sticks with them forever. And like the ape, this primitivity is not benign in the least and usually leads to absurd violence, although unlike the ape, they cannot literally rip arms from sockets. You are shilling very particularly and excessively for Africa and fail to address a vast number of points, using the term 'snownigger' obsessively. You're a tilted mulatto, aren't you? It would explain a thing or two about the tragedy of you. It would lend some pathos. But you'd just as well be some fat little pinkish liberal creature with a face like a rump roast and a body like a fat birdie with stilts sticking out.

>>14900696

>Shill for tyranny the face of any citizen in the free world, and you will be met with absolute rage and disgust.

Yes, which makes it rather hard for you to proselytize. But, to actually address your scenario- I'm sure they would, if by 'free citizen' you mean struck-kneed indoctrinee who can't control themselves or their urge to repeat the lies that have been beaten into them, with an anger as if possessed by some foreign spirit. Almost as if they actually are possessed.

>The furthest backward you're likely to find sympathy is warped lolbert images of homesteading settlers

Except for the growing identitarians, ethnic considerers and fascism investigators, even hamstringed as they are by controlled ops. Those are pretty further beyond.

>rightist in any way only because of tyrants attempting to weasel their universally loathed agenda under the radar.

You mean the ones that are universally left-wing or 'centrist,' which is to say far-leftist or leftist with the most pitiable dishonest lip service to native culture possible while both drift further and further into the camp of one globe of docile, bliss riding hedonist slaves? The same agenda you promoted in this thread, but 'better' and deployed in a more reasonable and thus even worse fashion, because it has a better chance of weaseling itself through than the current full-barrel madness?

>Interesting that space programs and modernist optimism only ground to a halt in the 1970s, when transnational neocon/neolib antipopulism quashed the labor unions and socdems that had been fueling our steady ascent into the stars.

You mean when the wellspring of thieved ingenuity ran dry, the funding for ingenuity for that drifted on as rocket launches became less important in the great dick measuring contest between the two great controlled ops on either side of the Curtain, the leftist subversion and postmodernism started getting real, the transnationals started quashing anyone that wasn't them, and the last vestiges of benign governance in the old Americanists and the coopted Axis leftovers & SS advocate organizations started petering out or being killed outright? Because last I checked, the immediate postwar presidents in the cast of Eisenhower were triumphalist looters running the most abhorrent occupations, while Joseph "Ich bin ein Berliner" Kennedy (who got his brains blown out) was an explicit Hitler sympathizer whose family had been fighting Jews since the prohibition days when they were rival whiskey runners, and the European governments only ever got more social-democratic, more globally inclined, more inclined to aid and abet the alien in the name of a universal humanity, and more open in Coudenhove-Kalergist policies. Because last I checked, neocons and neolibs were only ever a new breed of insincere political shit, and a mostly American one at that, as the yuro socdems followed suit or had already been engaging in or abetting similar policies beforehand.

>>14900698

>My ideals are well founded precisely because of their rationality

<"Dude, feed niggers and increase the power of their continent by forcing them to advance into pseudocivilization. They won't try their damnedest to pillage the first world for all it's worth when they smell weakness, in the exact fashion they've already done or tried except even worse, I promise."

<"No, I'm not a social democrat, I'm a democratic socialist, learn the difference. Let me tell you about how socdems- shut up fashy, I'm a demsoc- are secretly responsible for all trve "

>their repeated vindication by history

Continual, agonizing failure following each successive usurpation, but not enough failure that they can't destroy all alternatives and continue limping on. Death by inches. Lie after lie after lie. Self-serving political liars and none-serving idiot-idealists muddying the waters between whether to shoot now or later and whom. Massive networks of sexual blackmail & trafficking. The largely invisible slavery of the entire world. Fabianist and Cultural Marxist institution-marching to taint, coopt, destroy everything in entire governments, cultures, nations, and to do it wearing the skin of sincere idealists so that they take the blame instead, indirectly increasing the power of the subverter. You're surely vindicated, as far as being a functional system for undermining parasitism and the creation of devouring quagmires of anti-life.

>Your ideals are founded on nonsensical romanticism

Which is all that Man has, be he fallen angel or rising beast, save bread. And bread is poor living alone.

>and gullibly ingested propaganda

Of which you have none, surely, except for the vast and endless piles of it. Much of it stolen in aesthetic and unaesthetic after modification at that. As it was in the Bolshevized Horst-Wessel Lied variation and Stalin's Soviet pseudonationalism, so it is with the /leftypol/ thieved & poorly shopped memes. The more things change, etcetera.

>for periods of history marked by their stagnation

Which for the greater part of it is a fine term for 'reasonable, unnotable stability' or 'vibrant palingenetic rebirth.' Because just as it is now, our woes are the same- caused by an Other, not merely as something that is useful to say and to act as if it were true for petty pragmatism, but unfortunately a fact. And the secret is an unwavering all-possessing fanaticism, far beyond the motivating impulses of bandit-revolutionary, because it is self-sacrificing, self-destructive, giving all for the all to the maximum the individual can take and this done openly, rather than taking more than anyone can give while proclaiming universal individual liberation.

>and people marked by their utter defeat or self-destruction.

That's just the way things are in the cycle of ages. Things get worse. Always worse, never better, not for more than a short time. But the relative hops up in the time going forward give you the motivation to strive, and so that short time is invoked. I kill you tenfold for my nation and your iniquities, you finally manage to kill me and proclaim your victory atop mountains of charred corpses of man, woman and child sacrificed for no particular reason and with no sincere fanaticism or guilt unlike any sins of mine, but a petty personal sadism, an externalized pathology of hatred for your own government turned on the innocent and those who would potentially liberate you just to get a bit of the rape of you by the system out of your system, or simply because you are the goodest goy imaginable. Then, the next man down the line connects the evil bad goy dots, or receives a direct revelation from some heady outer god or from the blast his own crossing neurons, and follows the same path. Repeat until the world is consummated by the death of the unideal or alternatively of everyone and everything, the pillars pulled out from the temple roof of the universe, so that the good shall never suffer evil again and evil shall never suffer itself, and all things will have lived and died well. In interesting times. Better that than to live muzzled in an iron lung of material plenty, stupidity and insipid faggotry to the benefit of filthy golem-creatures that should never have crawled out of the shadowed slime of the primordial chaos.

>>14900705

I need to become as well-versed as you in verbally beating commies senseless. What books would you recommend me to this end?

>>14900457

>white genocides like Generalplan-Ost,

Holy Christ, you did not just fucking claim that shit was real. In the face of the sum total of post-collapse (((Soviet))) documents released by the Russian Federation–which prove that they blamed the Germans for everything they did–you did not just claim that shit was real.

>>14900750

>>14900761

Anon, I just dabble here and there. It doesn't take a terrible amount of reading to yell at gommunists on the internet.

I'm curious as to what you mean by 'everything.' The Katyn Forest massacre is the really infamous one, denied until the demise of the USSR, and the most obviously damning; but as far as I was aware, the Stalinist destruction actions & false flag ops with the most motley shithouse assortment of uniforms were and are still vehemently denied by the Federation and by ruskie Duginist quasi-nationalists.

>>14898262

>He doesn't know about Charles "The Hammer" Martel, King of the Carolingian dynasty who saved France and the Rest of Western Europe from further Umayyad incursions at the battle of Tours in 732

>He doesn't know about King Jan III Sobieski's lifting of the siege of Vienna in 1683 by charging his detachment of Winged Hussar's into the Ottoman ranks, thus routing them, thus saving the Holy Roman Empire, hence saving central Europe from Ottoman conquest.

Kings have done more to preserve the well- beings of their ethnic brethren more than any niggerloving democrat or neoconservative kikesucker has ever had.

>>14900696

>Old and new, vibrant and necessary.

The core essence of fascism is a caveman, smashing his face against a rock until he almost kills himself, then resting up to try it again, until he is eaten during one of his reveries by a passing bear.

>The Allies and Comintern in spite of being two heads of the same beast fell on each other quickly enough, didn't they?

2nd International was an irreparable failure by the time of Kronstadt in 1921, a contemplative retreat from violent revolution to parliamentary reformism was the order of the day for the foreseeable future. Within the socdem consensus, "democratic peace" has existed among all free nations.

>You are shilling very particularly and excessively for Africa

I am merely replying to your bizarre and singular obsession with Africa using the sharpest barb with which to pop your pseudoscientific bubble

>>14900698

>thieved ingenuity

"Ingenuity" in turn copied from Goddard, and squashed flat by "Jewish science" that included luminaries such as Einstein and Oppenheimer the Nazis delusionally chased away?

>a mostly American one at that

Europe was at least as protectionist and unionized as America, scum like Reagan and Thatcher struck simultaneously across the sea, as did a fresh crop of laissez-faire ideologues that slid into the Europe's and the UN's bureaucracy.

>>14900705

>They won't try their damnedest to pillage the first world for all it's worth when they smell weakness, in the exact fashion they've already done or tried except even worse, I promise.

Literally Vikangz

>'reasonable, unnotable stability' or 'vibrant palingenetic rebirth.'

A fascinating description for millennia of aimless, seemingly endless shitflinging as the sun's clock winds down toward swallowing our ridiculous planet and the silly creatures squabbling in its mud.

>>14900835

Reminder more soldiers were spent massacring other kikestians for blood money than actually crusading, and Europe would've folded like a house of cards if the Mongols hadn't steamrolled the muzzies from the other side.

>Don't give a shit and pay random tax to uploader

>Uploader is right wing and now you've just funded a terrorist somehow

Fucking globalist scum.

Actually I suppose this means uploading any picture means you can sue anyone who copies it?

Does this mean you have to pay to link to news websites that have pictures in them too?

Goodbye celeb pics lol. All the mumsnet faggots can't share shit now either, and does that also mean "share" on kikebook will charge your account $? pmsl.

>>14900896

>The core essence of fascism is a caveman, smashing his face against a rock until he almost kills himself, then resting up to try it again, until he is eaten during one of his reveries by a passing bear.

Bullshit. The core essence of fascism is one very big and well-spoken caveman smashing his face against a rock, so that his fellows are led by example to smash their faces against their own rocks, until the time comes to smash the nogman or neanderkike the next valley over with their rock-smashed and well-hardened faces, and maybe also the face smashing rocks since they're there. That's the good life.

>2nd International was an irreparable failure by the time of Kronstadt in 1921, a contemplative retreat from violent revolution to parliamentary reformism was the order of the day for the foreseeable future.

Of course, that's why after 1921, and following WW2 the dual victors and controlled opposition/useful idiots strongly considered going to war against one another in the postwar, before instead proceeding to trample countless nations in proxy wars to see whether parafascism-infected and unfortunately stabilized Sovietism or rancid western plutocratic democracy would have primacy in the new world imposed to the benefits of its plutocratic architects and propagandist-advertiser programmers.

>I am merely replying to your bizarre and singular obsession with Africa using the sharpest barb with which to pop your pseudoscientific bubble

But it wasn't sharp and didn't pop anything. It was blunted fantastically by the fact that you used interactions between Indo-Europeans in preindustrial antiquity to justify why a plague of human locusts exploding from the third world should not be abetted in any way, let alone upraised to second world status so that they can better stabilize and spread into the first world more than they already are. It is the stupidest possible idea even for you as opposed to effecting your shit policies in the West and then paternalistically supporting the poorly creatures. Furthermore, you opened the subject with both 'muh north afrikangz wuz laughin n sheeit' and 'Muh Flynn Effect, Sweden was totally like Africa, just not in the way now where it's being filled up with Africa, please send more aid.' The fact that you have been beaten about the head on this does not make me obsessed, it makes you a bitter deflector.

>"Ingenuity" in turn copied from Goddard

<After a thorough inspection, Goddard was convinced that the Germans had "stolen" his work. Though the design details were not exactly the same, the basic design of the V-2 was similar to one of Goddard's rockets. The V-2, however, was technically far more advanced than the most successful of the rockets designed and tested by Goddard. The Peenemünde rocket group led by Wernher von Braun may have benefited from the pre-1939 contacts to a limited extent,[15]:387–8 but had also started from the work of their own space pioneer, Hermann Oberth; they also had the benefit of intensive state funding, large-scale production facilities (using slave labor), and repeated flight-testing that allowed them to refine their designs. Oberth was a theorist and had never built a rocket or a working engine.

>and squashed flat by "Jewish science"

Maybe, maybe not. Reich of the Black Sun was an interesting read. Questionable veracity. But the teething issues of the Allied nuclear program, the utter hilarious failure of the gun-type plutonium bombs & their crudity, and the rush off into the uncharted weeds caused by the Germans reinventing the wheel makes one think. The bomb, certainly, came from nowhere, and the scarcity in number & production in spite of the Americans having such gigantism in facilities and a workable design, supposedly theirs, is interesting.

>luminaries such as Einstein

Hack, Jewish patent troll, possible moron and mere frontman. Next.

>and Oppenheimer

May have stolen his bomb, see above. Seemingly competent physicist otherwise and ebinly quotable regarding the Bhagavad Gita reference, though.

>>14901059

>Europe was at least as protectionist and unionized as America

And still not good enough, as it was material and left-wing in nature; it's the way of things that it got worse.

>scum like Reagan and Thatcher struck simultaneously across the sea

Scum struck scum. It's what you asked for. You, who rejected the Solution, in favor of poison alternatives provided by those out to fuck you. And as I'm sure you'll pettily insinuate equivalence or worse, I will add a clause in advance of 'without a reacharound.'

>as did a fresh crop of laissez-faire ideologues that slid into the Europe's and the UN's bureaucracy.

Is that why the EU has gotten more invasive, more centralized, and more inclined to the forced open border policies you have again actively advocated, and done so against the exoteric economic interests of these same elites? But they're going too far and scaring the workers into the arms of those who are for them, or better yet their own arms, and we can't have that. We have to moderate, or the entire sham will be exposed and routed out!

>Literally Vikangz

You mean the merchant-explorers with a minority of adventurists and spoil takers? More importantly, not Bantu substrate semihumans that largely failed to reach above the stone age on their own and iron with assistance? Because last I checked, the Vikangz achieved parity and more off their own backs post-Christianization in their bickering triangle of Norway-Sweden-Denmark, guest stars Finland, Poland, Russia, guest guest stars the HRE and Iceland.

>A fascinating description for millennia of aimless, seemingly endless shitflinging as the sun's clock winds down toward swallowing our ridiculous planet and the silly creatures squabbling in its mud.

If that is the material reduction of the human race(s), and if there is nothing beyond that, it's better that we be exterminated before passing the Great Filter. Alternatively, move past it purely to strangle the rest of the horrendous meat-math engines in their cribs as a mercy, in simultaneous coherence with and protest of a meaningless Darwinian existence that will not somehow become otherwise if we sing kumbaya and collectively, systematically murder the best potentially self-selecting elements in favor of the (((worst.)))

If there is an external meaning in human existence, it must be to transcend flesh and blood through a fractal society of infinitely interlinked class cooperation, not in becoming a distributist human hive that is better able to fill bellies and push pleasure buttons as an end in itself by any and all means necessary, in the pursuit of meaningless economic expansion and the quashing of the suffering of the worst on the backs of the best while pretending that one is really engaging in the former means and ends.

>kikestians

Ooh, ebin. I like how /leftypol/ is continually adopting ethnic and religious slurs amongst other stupid memes in their quest to become edgy and countercultural like uncle /pol/ and being absolutely feckless cunts about it. 'Snownigger,' 'kikestian,' 'muh trve huwhite national social democracy,' 'nazbol gang.' It is the niggest of nonsense.

>>14901059

>That's the good life.

Whatever floats your boat, but I and most other people would prefer to build our sandcastle higher and higher into the sky, with everyone contributing to their maximum, forever, instead of kicking down lame quickie sandcastles and rebuilding them.

>>14901061

>forced open border policies you have again actively advocated

Neither I nor any leftist has ever advocated for open borders between the forced capitalist poverty of the 3rd-world and the hard-won socdem reforms of the 1st-world. That is a laissez-faire policy designed to crush organized labor and bring back the feudalism you slobber over.

>human hive that is better able to fill bellies and push pleasure buttons as an end in itself by any and all means necessary, in the pursuit of meaningless economic expansion and the quashing of the suffering

>continually adopting ethnic and religious slurs amongst other stupid memes in their quest to become edgy and countercultural

Sarcasm and irony are what allowed all the great shitposting venues, from BBSs and USENET to imageboards, to function free of the dogmatism and gullibility stifling meatspace. /pol/, like every other death among our ranks, was slain by sincere stormies, killing our spirit of playful intellectualism with their gormless seriousness.

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>human hive that is better able to fill bellies and push pleasure buttons as an end in itself by any and all means necessary, in the pursuit of meaningless economic expansion and the quashing of the suffering

Hardly necessary, I think, but better as a worst-case scenario than what humanity was spiraling toward before Humanism snapped us out of our death drive.

>>14901142

>Whatever floats your boat, but I and most other people would prefer to build our sandcastle higher and higher into the sky, with everyone contributing to their maximum, forever, instead of kicking down lame quickie sandcastles and rebuilding them.

Funny, because that's exactly what I would say, with the addition that building a sandcastle with weird people on the other side of the beach who don't know how to build sandcastles is stupid and trying to get everyone to build one sandcastle along with them is only going to end up with this exact quickie sandcastle problem, and everyone covered in wet sand up to their necks with their wallets, pants and shoes missing. And thusly that teaching them to build sandcastles (or trying rather) at speed is going to be far more trouble by virtue of this than just building the sandcastles with the people you know, devoting every resource possible to the effort under the loudest and most fervernt sand castle man on the beach. Also, there should be landmines on the weirdo side of the beach and very large dogs who hate words that rhyme with 'lack,' while a man named Shlomo should be buried up to the nose in the sand castle foundation for putting foreskins on the sand minarets and trying to steal all the plastic buckets to auction them back at four bucks a pop (shovels optional for two bucks extra.)

>Neither I nor any leftist has ever advocated for open borders between the forced capitalist poverty of the 3rd-world and the hard-won socdem reforms of the 1st-world. That is a laissez-faire policy designed to crush organized labor and bring back the feudalism you slobber over.

'They're not ours,' you preen. 'I did no such thing, you can have no suspicion of my complicity,' you say. If that's your game, the influx of the alien is absolutely nothing I would endorse and it is my inclination to neck everyone involved in such; plutocratic, neofeudal corporationism has naught to do with any corporatist sovereign-fetish of mine, and as repeatedly proclaimed there is nothing I hate more than the primemost alien and the backbiter ideologies than parafascism, fake fascism, derived from insincerity, weakness and falsely pragmatic 'compromise' that succeeds only in compromising the purity of the effort and destroys any chance of a successful end result. 'Socdem' is more charged with the sins you condemn and closer to the enemies you convict than fascism ever will be, especially considering that its one good run was a series of doomed half-mast compromises.

>>14901254

>Hardly necessary, I think, but better as a worst-case scenario than what humanity was spiraling toward before Humanism snapped us out of our death drive.

No. No, it is not. 'Death before disgrace' is the modus operandi of those who have dignity or are at least capable of feigning it. Man must have and be more than this, or man must not be and must not allow those who would force it upon him to be. No compromise. You hold the enemy- not the enemy of the moment or of circumstance, but the Enemy, the eternal variety, the (((whos))) and the demoralized- and yourself hostage if he tries to destroy or subordinate you; and if he relents without means to effect a similar threat, you must beat him in the best possible case into chains, or else destroy him to save yourself from his treason later, after you have grown slack, showing trust, weakness, both. If he makes the same threat and can back it up, you call that bluff and seek to destroy him by conventional means, and destroy him utterly if he retaliates with the hostage-weapon.

The conventional tool is the atom bomb in MAD, but it doesn't matter what it is. Nerve agent. Plague. Anthrax. Invasive bioweapon. What matters is that you have it and can and will pull everything down atop yourself if necessary. And again on your notion of the hypothetical Axis falling upon itself over the spoils; an armed society is a polite society, and fanatic, incessantly idealistic totalitarian governments that are uncompromised and truly independent, not puppet-experiments, that have the choice to coexist or mutually destruct will choose the former. If life will be truly, ardently good, it is better than death. Otherwise- death is the object of worship and the highest attainment, because that becomes the practical vehicle for transcendence of evil in a universe of metaphysical weight and the quickest end to a zero-sum Darwinian materialist game. In the uncertain interstice between the two poles of good life & death lies revolutionary violence to obtain the means for one or the other.

>Sarcasm and irony are what allowed all the great shitposting venues, from BBSs and USENET to imageboards, to function free of the dogmatism and gullibility stifling meatspace.

The invasion of external populations always forces a levy, a circling of the wagons, and a necessarily incessant suspicion of the enemy amongst you. This only grows worse on imageboards that rely on self-policing.

>/pol/, like every other death among our ranks, was slain by sincere stormies, killing our spirit of playful intellectualism with their gormless seriousness.

Let's assume you're sincere, not lying and speaking in character to create a narrative or invoke an idea in me. The dual evils of astroturfers and the increasing scale of operations, and thus of newfag influx, made this inevitable. Both imitating the others only further complicated matters. What did you expect? You seriously threw in with sockpuppets and squint-faced shuck-limbed commie creature tankies and contemporary liberals in denial (but with an edge!) as some kind of memetic Orwell poster over the fact that times got tough and post quality dropped when the Enemy started shaking things up? Are you an idiot?

>>14894698

Exactly.

>>14894985

Most people are a-okay with "progressive" and pro-European goals as long as Europe inundates them of gibs and token services like being able to use their own phone plans in every member state without additional tariffs. The moment the gibs stop coming (like in Greece or Italy) the people start noticing that something's up, but usually it's too late and no amount of voting will help. Brits will have the same thing coming to them.

>>14901254

>weird people on the other side of the beach who don't know how to build sandcastles

I believe in the human spirit, the human mind, the infinite potential it is capable of. Such blank spots among us as you dwell on shouldn't be papered over or trampled out, but seen as reflections of failings in every one of us. Failings that a truly perfect civilization can and must aspire to render impossible through full realization of all our faculties.

>>14901256

>socdem […] falsely pragmatic 'compromise' that succeeds only in compromising the purity of the effort and destroys any chance of a successful end result

Democracy is in essence a less costly alternative to war: If you have the numbers to win a vote, you usually have the numbers to win a fight, too. Parliamentary reformism, at its worst, has the same results as failed violent revolution, but without the need for random destruction. Thus, the only reason to resort to violence is when the ballot box completely breaks down as a means of measuring popular sentiment. I don't think we're there yet.

>'Death before disgrace' is the modus operandi of those who have dignity or are at least capable of feigning it.

Death is final, life means another chance, no matter how grim the situation seems. I will suffer every hardship, every torment, every embarrassment, to struggle and claw my way past death. Every fiber of my being is dedicated to glorifying my existence through persistence.

Low birth, incompetence, frailty, senescence, potential heat death of the universe, nothing can ever dissuade me in my hope and my struggle, ultimately futile or not.

>This only grows worse on imageboards that rely on self-policing.

I think the answer is something like NNTPChan or Masterchan, but built around an API and dedicated clients (like USENET or eMail) instead of a web interface. Distributed and democratic.

>Are you an idiot?

Eh, /leftpol/ is the closest thing to old /pol/, and to the pre-idpol leftist and other political venues I used to haunt. I'd like it if there were a nonpartisan /pol/ today outside the overmodded shillscape that is half/pol/, but dreams are dreams.

>>14894950

>>14894936

>Hollywood-Nazi jew to blaim Germany for things Germany had no say in

>>14901354

Oh God, if you aren't a lying shit you really are the best and worst brand of bleeding heart idealist. A beacon of your ideals and a living smokescreen for their corrupt, bankrupt actuality.

>I believe in the human spirit, the human mind, the infinite potential it is capable of. Such blank spots among us as you dwell on shouldn't be papered over or trampled out, but seen as reflections of failings in every one of us.

What is this, a shonen?

>Failings that a truly perfect civilization can and must aspire to render impossible through full realization of all our faculties.

Paternalism can only come from a position of strength. We are not in that position, which entails an outburst of violence to reachieve it.

>Democracy is in essence a less costly alternative to war: If you have the numbers to win a vote, you usually have the numbers to win a fight, too.

That's only if the vote isn't tainted by foreigners, fixers, and ideological corruption. Any vote more complex than 'ja' and 'nein,' if it is not filed in lead against powers for which such a vote is neither allowed nor relevant nor unobfuscated, is pointless flab and an inroad for professional liars to make their way on in.

>Parliamentary reformism, at its worst, has the same results as failed violent revolution, but without the need for random destruction.

It's also more easily blocked, obfuscated, and the failure of its passing by these 'legitimate means, under 'legitimate' circumstances- a vote was allowed, of course, so there must have been a chance- allows for even more severe stifling of popular will, as the popular can be made to appear unpopular and vice-versa, while the existence of absurd legalese frameworks as this thread was intended to lay out allows for undemocratic institutions and corrupt cliques intentionally implanted into the sham democracy to override this anyways.

>Thus, the only reason to resort to violence is when the ballot box completely breaks down as a means of measuring popular sentiment. I don't think we're there yet.

You're mad. If now isn't the time, and it should be, the time will be there in a decade. History is repeating itself. Today, the founding of fresh mythologies in truth by dissident 'far-right' elements who will not stay silent under depredeation, and the springtime of psychotic bloodstained revolutionaries from the opposite end of the spectrum. Tomorrow, a Weimar America fuller and more horrible than what we are already experiencing, a new great depression & total degeneration, and a new strongman, answering the call for a great smiting club by which to destroy the enemies of the people at large. The only problem is that said strongman will be a cooptable position; the new framework then should not be one, but many, each leading syndicates that will later confederate, eliminating the ability for the enemy to implant a Manchurian candidate.

>Death is final, life means another chance, no matter how grim the situation seems.

If death is final, it does not matter; better to get the lie over with. If it is not final, then it is a mere transitional state, and should be invoked with glee, with abandon, if there is good cause and no reason for restraint. Hesitation is death in itself.

>>14901633

>I will suffer every hardship, every torment, every embarrassment, to struggle and claw my way past death.

You won't get far with the state of things. It's a weakness in you that can be exploited.

>Every fiber of my being is dedicated to glorifying my existence through persistence.

You will either pass on into nothingness and it will not have mattered what you did, not at all, or are already eternal at heart and would be better served by spitting in the face of unideal life, gambling with yours, and bending it to your will or conspiring to break it in the hereafter if you're unconfident or unable than by neurotic self-preservation.

>Low birth, incompetence, frailty, senescence, potential heat death of the universe, nothing can ever dissuade me in my hope and my struggle, ultimately futile or not.

If you aren't full of shit, at least you have guts. Otherwise, you're half-decent at feigning it.

>I think the answer is something like NNTPChan or Masterchan, but built around an API and dedicated clients (like USENET or eMail) instead of a web interface. Distributed and democratic.

Novel. Also likely to be snooped, sniffed on, spoiled by illegal or 'illegal' content implanted by the powers that be, and used as a tool to round up those who would go far enough to use it. Not a honeypot, as much as a scent for bloodhounds.

>Eh, /leftpol/ is the closest thing to old /pol/, and to the pre-idpol leftist and other political venues I used to haunt. I'd like it if there were a nonpartisan /pol/ today outside the overmodded shillscape that is half/pol/, but dreams are dreams.

I say again, you realize this is an even more doomed utopian venture than mine, because it seduces no one, makes no room for useful pragmatism yet gives way to hamstringing compromise, and is not & will not be capable of mounting an offensive against the correct enemies, but as in the war will serve solely to aid and abet the greater enemy against their own and most probably best possible government?

You are setting yourself to be a well poisoner. A backbiter. A doer of undoing and an undoer of doings. You won't even have a spite bodycount as in the self-destructors you decry, remembered by few, eulogized by none, and cursed in tones of mocking, haughty disdain- veiled and unveiled- by those wretches that use and succeed you instead of tones of neurotic soul-stained hatred as against those who opposed them. Referring back to the awful sandcastle metaphor, you are building on a foundation of sand, with walls and towers of sand. This was actually your own slipping description, that you are trying to build for the ages with sand. It will all be swept away, and terribly quickly. It will all be for nothing, and will be very incongruous compared to suicidal, fanatic daredevilry in the same confines.

>>14901633

>What is this, a shonen?

Yes. The incredible chances we bucked to have a physical reality that exists, genesis to life in some primordial pool, and evolve an impractically powerful sentient brain represents the fact that we're infinity-to-one natural winners in a cosmic gamble weighted completely against us.

Our destiny is not to improve ourselves, but to realize what we already are, and break the world over our knee if it can't accommodate that.

>It's also more easily blocked, obfuscated, and the failure of its passing by these 'legitimate means

The same could be said about the vagaries of war and the strange winners and losers that arise from it.

>If now isn't the time, and it should be, the time will be there in a decade.

I don't think so. I thought like that when I was a teenager, that each election was the final push that would knock us into WWIII, and if I didn't get out there with my skimask and Molotov, my family would obviously spend the rest of our days fighting atomic mutants for canned beans. It didn't happen, things didn't even change much, just a slow rot under neocon/neolib decay, but we're still miles above the 3rd-world squalor that would plausibly cause that.

>>14901643

>It's a weakness in you that can be exploited.

If there were fewer crazed death cultists eager to test that theory on the basis of promises by leaders who have nothing to back it up, maybe the world would be less dangerous? Bravery is a virtue only in true need, otherwise it is the height of madness.

>Not a honeypot, as much as a scent for bloodhounds.

As an adjunct to that, this isn't something that would ideally coexist with today's internet, nor onto an easily snooped meshnet meme. We truly have to somehow force the normalfags to give up namefagging and botnets, force them into a decentralized darknet, maybe even with aggressively public automated trolling and harassment from datamined cloudshit to make the surveillance and repression they're not-so-secretly subject to something they're aware of every day, making them unavoidably realize such things were ALWAYS an inherent problem with the architecture of the Internet whether or not they always saw their results.

As recently as the early 2000s, it was ubiquitous "netiquette" for both children and adults that you never used your real name online except in contexts where it's absolutely necessary such as work or school, that you kept personal details as close to your chest as possible, and that you strictly separated your presence in every venue by concocting a different pseudonymous/anonymous persona for each one. With billions of (at least mildly) enlightened normalfags sharing a darknet with us, even if they weren't ironically shitposting dicknipples too, we would have enough camouflage never to be at risk of takedown again.

>it seduces no one

I feel optimistic. The extremism you pointed to as a sign of doom, I saw as a break in the logjam. The 2016 election, and the memes it unleashed, weren't just an autistic shriek of partisan extremism, but a nonpartisan spark of populism against decades of decay. I think the left, right, and center populists have more in common than they realize, and I think that energy might coalesce into something positive very soon.

>>14900378

>No one believes in your narrative. We post in between the killings. "Accidents"? Us. "Poisoning"? Us. "Suicide"? Us. And so on.

>now he's taking the actions of others as his own when he has done nothing

My point stands.

>>14894681

>Are they going to pay people scour the internet to look for wrongthink?

What's stopping them? China does it.

>>14895079

>Large following

Sheeps mindset. A hundred guys with half decent rifles could go outside and solve the EU crisis ina day just by assassinating politicians left and right. The rest would be so frightened for their life that they'd cuck. And if they don't, you send a hundred more the next day.

>>14903788

I'm sure the anti-Russian partisans followed Soviet laws and turned in their weapons. Yes. Indeed. The Winter War never happened.

>>14903788

You can own rifles in most of these countries. Even in the UK you can own some, but there's lots of bureaucratic hoops to jump through. It's not as simple as just doing to walmart and paying $300 and walking out with a shotgun and some boxes of .00 buckshot.

>>14896755

>War machines and drones

We've had this discussion before, fuck off with this larp. Some retarded marxist with a rifle was able to kill Kennedy without hardly any effort, and it'd be even easier today given how stupid people are.

>>14903788

Get one illegally. Make yourself a luty. Get a four winds. It's not that hard. People who complain about the difficulties are people who wouldn't lift a finger even if there were rifles being sold at every cornerstore. In Burgerland, we haven't seen a violent massacre of the corrupt politicians, yet they have access. Their excuses are the same as any Eurocucks in essence. They have the means, they have the method, and so do the Euros, but they will fall over eachother to excuse their own inability to protect their nations.

>>14903788

They have a lot of guns and even more illegal ones suposedly coming in from the east. Never heard much of shootings however. No idea how it fits together.

>>14894719

Not really, it was a polish jew that founded what would later become the EU.

>>14904972

Never heard of many american school shootings either. The real ones are very rare. There has recently been a lot of false flags though.

>>14894474

Good time to be a Russian.

Free vidya, vodka and understanding of dialectics will come to you, if you post

PUTIN GAS THE TRAITORS!

>>14894579

Even if it passed it doesn't mean shit, they can't keep up with the internet to effectively apply law to it, if they could we'd all have been v& years ago.

>>14894660

>The US will cut off most internet contact with europe because of this.

Nonsense.

>>14894783

>The UK voted to leave the EU, now they're just waiting it out until the people don't care anymore.

That ain't gonna happen, the overriding sentiment in the UK is to GTFO of the EU, if they tried another vote it'd be a landslide to leave.

>>14896659

That's to do with posting some shit that starts a fight IRL then the police get called in on the situation m8.

>>14897415

>no fee

Well shit that must have stung to type.