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Thanks Mexikikes

Why though

Good thing I burned out and stop playing around version 0.26

It's autismal garbage anyway.

Apparently they've been collecting that shit for ages, the new EU law just makes them tell the user that they are

fucking wew.

Reminder they were only legally required to reveal that now (in europe) and have been "allowed" (it's illegal in the united states) to get away with it this entire time because "muh software rights aren't same as physical rights save me Silicon Valley judges"

>>14876025

Not quite, you still have a copy of the game. If you get rid of it, then you will have won.

>>14876025

A crack does not remove the spyware. Almost every game since smartphones became popular does this btw. Steam itself and the browser everyone uses collect far more.

>>14875704

>EULA Change Effectively Makes Kerbal Space Program Spyware

ITT: Nobody understands how GDPR works.

They've ALWAYS been collecting & selling your data, they just weren't telling you about it before.

But…..for what purpose?

>>14876056

PROFIT

That is why killing western developers is a necessity.

>>14875704

This is why my main computer is never connected to the Internet.

It does NOT turn the game into spyware.

The game was spyware from day zero.

The new EU laws demand they disclose what information they are collecting and how often.

I think it's just boilerplate lifted from GTAV that did all these things. There's nowhere in the game itself that lets them collect any of that shit.

>>14875797

No, you can stick with an older version.

>>14875797

You do realise that they've been doing this shit the whole time already, and only the new EU law forces them to admitt to it, right?

Doesn't matter if you don't play it anymore, if you played it in the past, they already have your data, or at least that what they could get from you.

>>14876034

>running pirated software without sandboxing it or at the very least cutting internet access to it

>>14876323

this. it's not a console, you have control over your computer (inb4 w10 cucks)

>>14876333

>inb4 windows 7 cucks

>inb4 system.d cunts

>>14876323

I do read the nfos, but he implied that pirating alone protects

>>14876333

>you can't not connect a console to the internet

>>14876337

>he can't make win7 secure

lmaoing @ you're lyfe

>>14875797

Not legally, but good luck proving they did it.

>>14876357

Jokes on you, im behind 4 proxies

>>14876357

see >>14876344

>>14876380

>imagine being at computers

>so fat you look and see food

What did he mean by this?

>>14875704

>such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address

How the fuck are they going to be able to mine that with just their game? Shit sounds intrusive as fuck.

>>14875704

good thing I pirated it years ago and had my fill.

>>14875771

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>>14875771

This. It was always being collected, it is only now they are forced to tell you about it.

>>14876391

Imagine being so fat you look at computers and see food.

>>14875704

what do they mean by photo? your avatar?

>allowing your single player games to connect to the internet

>not sandboxing your games according to the principle of least privilege

Wew. I bet you use Windows too. What a fag.

>>14876662

>mine that with just their game

On steam they might have an agreement where you are customers of both companies upon purchase of their games, so they'll have the right to any info steam has. Or you have dipshits who will literally log into facebook on any and all websites.

Can a fellow european who has KSP bought check if you can opt-out/it's opt-in? If not, I think it's illegal since they must let you deny all data gathering that's not entirely vital for the service to function.

Maybe there's a law against teaching terdorists to "build missiles" and they have to comply.

>>14877153

I'm pretty sure the alternative they give you is dont play the game or accept them spying on you. Now they just have to tell you this.

ahh the pleasure of being spied upon

if you block the program with a firewall, it cant send any data back yes? or would it do it through steam?

>>14877362

It's very likely that they are doing it through Steam.

>he trusted a spic

>>14876380

All I see is loss.

>>14876375

it's actually deleting microsoft services and updates and disabling windows update, but you can't trust modern windows for sure

>>14877220

Speaking of, is there a specific IP address that KSP uses to phone home?

I was able to find 5 Amazon IPs in Seattle that seem to swap out each time I run it. Not sure if it's datamining or something else. I'm running a stock install so it's not any addons checking for updates.

>>14877408

>imagine being so LOL you look at images and see loss

>>14877183

IANAL, but from what I read they can only deny service if you refuse to share data that's absolutely neccesary, like refusing to tell the post office where you live

>>14878586

Yea, the consensus seems to be that if the choice is "accept our terms or fuck off", then that's not GDPR compliant. You either have to completely stop offering your service to people in the EU, or you have to give them the option to opt out of data collection (beyond what's necessary).

Telling the users that they can opt out by not using the service will not fly. Claiming that the botnet is necessary because it pays for the servers will not fly either.

I'm more curious why Take a Two acquired them.

>>14876391

>>14876746

It's kind of beautiful how it works either way.

Instead of hysteria why not just send a damn e-mail to Take Two quoting GDPR and demanding your data to be erased under compliance with the law?

Sorry Ameritards, I guess

It looks like Kerbal Space Program got upgraded to KerbalSpyware Program

>>14875704

Actually, this have been known (at least with the GOG crowd) for some time that this is true of all Unity based games.

>>14878586

>IANAL

Nobody cares that you're a buttslut.

>>14878823

I was thinking they'd try to push the edutainment angle and sell it to schools. They probably have a decent lobbyist team or could put one together for this purpose. Or maybe it's a tax break thing, like Microsoft buying Mojang. They'll try to squeeze some more money out of this with DLC but that's not the reason they bought it.

>>14879359

Again, since nobody seems to be listening, this is the standard EULA they use for all their games and doesn't actually reflect the software capabilities of KSP itself. It uses the same exact verbage as their standard privacy policy: https://www.take2games.com/privacy/

I hate defending this shit because it's a terrible business practice, but there is no possible way this game is getting all this data about you. Something is not spyware because it can spy on you, it's spyware if it does spy on you. You should purchase this game either way, but you can rest assured that the pirated copies should be safe.

>>14879489

Unity analytics. It sends some data like "User X is using Y operating system with Z hardware specs."

If you want to look at what's sent in KSP, someone on their forums has an example from his own computer. (Note that Redshell is a separate thing, apparently added by Take Two, but appears to be like the Unity analytics but more minimal.)

To redshell (api.redshell.io)

{
  "user_id": "b5d46b377e26de189a5af1cabb81767d2b407a2a",
  "type": "game_launch",
  "identifiers": {
    "os": "Windows 10  (10.0.0) 64bit",
    "resolution": "2560x1440"
  }
}

{
  "user_id": "b5d46b377e26de189a5af1cabb81767d2b407a2a",
  "type": "game_launch_modded",
  "identifiers": {
    "os": "Windows 10  (10.0.0) 64bit",
    "resolution": "2560x1440"
  }
}

To Unity (cdp.cloud.unity3d.com)

{
  "common": {
    "appid": "39811e89-d29d-4faa-bb01-997f3cda24f0",
    "userid": "bd560c413137e624bb7315b6a893e2a6",
    "sessionid": 7489315740578702000,
    "platform": "WindowsPlayer",
    "platformid": 2,
    "sdk_ver": "u2017.1.3p1",
    "localprojectid": "5be2ef0cdad9b1344ae103b0d475456b",
    "build_guid": "ea163a458c56e364280693684177908e",
    "deviceid": "b5d46b377e26de189a5af1cabb81767d2b407a2a"
  }
}

{
	"common":{
		"appid":"39811e89-d29d-4faa-bb01-997f3cda24f0",
		"userid":"bd560c413137e624bb7315b6a893e2a6",
		"sessionid":7489315740578702588,
		"platform":"WindowsPlayer",
		"platformid":2,
		"sdk_ver":"u2017.1.3p1",
		"localprojectid":"5be2ef0cdad9b1344ae103b0d475456b",
		"build_guid":"ea163a458c56e364280693684177908e",
		"deviceid":"b5d46b377e26de189a5af1cabb81767d2b407a2a"
	}
}
{
	"type":"analytics.custom.v1",
	"msg":
	{
		"ts":1520625369703,
		"name":"unity.sceneLoad",
		"custom_params":
		{
			"level_name":"ksploading",
			"level_num":0,
			"total_levels":18
		}
	}
}
{
	"type":"perf.sceneLoadingTime.v1",
	"msg":
	{
		"ts":1520625369710,
		"scene_name":"ksploading",
		"scene_index":0,
		"background_time":1996802304,
		"integrate_time":1157584768,
		"ts_integrate_time":56335096,
		"total_time":3239578112
	}
}
{
	"type":"analytics.appRunning.v1",
	"msg":
	{
		"ts":1520625375854,
		"duration":135,
		"local_time_offset":-3600000
	}
}
{
	"type":"analytics.appStop.v1",
	"msg":
	{
		"ts":1520625375856
	}
}

{
	"common":
	{
		"appid":"39811e89-d29d-4faa-bb01-997f3cda24f0",
		"userid":"bd560c413137e624bb7315b6a893e2a6",
		"sessionid":7489315740578702588,
		"platform":"WindowsPlayer",
		"platformid":2,
		"sdk_ver":"u2017.1.3p1",
		"localprojectid":"5be2ef0cdad9b1344ae103b0d475456b",
		"build_guid":"ea163a458c56e364280693684177908e",
		"deviceid":"b5d46b377e26de189a5af1cabb81767d2b407a2a"
	}
}
{
	"type":"analytics.appStart.v1",
	"msg":
	{
		"ts":1520625386284
	}
}

{
	"common":
	{
		"appid":"39811e89-d29d-4faa-bb01-997f3cda24f0",
		"userid":"bd560c413137e624bb7315b6a893e2a6",
		"sessionid":7489315740578702588,
		"platform":"WindowsPlayer",
		"platformid":2,
		"sdk_ver":"u2017.1.3p1",
		"localprojectid":"5be2ef0cdad9b1344ae103b0d475456b",
		"build_guid":"ea163a458c56e364280693684177908e",
		"deviceid":"b5d46b377e26de189a5af1cabb81767d2b407a2a"
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https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/171850-does-ksp-v14-really-have-spyware-in-it/&page=12&tab=comments#comment-3314988

>>14875771

WEW

thank god i didnt play/buy that shit.

>>14879489

https://unity.com/solutions/analytics#games-by-the-numbers

I wrote about this on my website here:

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/ksp.html

The goal of the website is to catalog spyware programs and rate them based on how much they violate your privacy.

>>14879829

Why did you bother linking these sources if you completely ignored what they said? And if you are going by EULA alone, why don't you have a write-up for every other Take-Two game?

I don't understand. I thought they already did that and the only thing the EULA change does was force them to admit it.

>>14879866

I don't know what other games they make. I Just wanted to write about this game. I didn't ignore what the sources said.

>>14879949

>I didn't ignore what the sources said.

According to your website:

> KSP collects or attempts to collect the following information about it's users[1]:

>>First and/or last name

>>E-mail address

>>Phone number

>>Photo

>>Mailing address

>>Geolocation (physical location)

>>Payment information

>>Age

>>Gender

>>Date of birth

>>Zip code

>>Hardware configuration

>>Console ID

>>Software products played

>>Purchases

>>IP address

>>Systems you have played on

>>Other Information from integrated services

>>Other Information from social media

And that's just the beginning. Your source for this information is the EULA. However, the game's EULA, a boilerplate legal document used across all Take Two games, only states their right to collect these data. This is equivalent to saying that since an American has the right to bear arms, every last one of them is factually proven to be armed. While it may be assumed that it is possible, it is far from proof of reality.

With your other source, the forum post I pointed out, it was demonstrated that it only collects the following information:

>Anonymized user ID

>Game version

>Operating system

>Window resolution

>Whether or not the game is modded

>How fast the game loads

>The local time at which each stage of the game was loaded

You might be wondering, "why bother with these privileges if the game doesn't collect this info?" That's because this applies to more than the game itself. It also applies to other services they offer:

>Personal information is information that identifies you and that may be used to contact you online or offline. The Company collects personal information from you on a voluntary basis. When you submit personal information to the Company, it will usually take the form of:

>>Registration for Online Services, websites, jobs, products, contests, and special events;

>>Subscribing to newsletters or alerts;

>>Posting in or commenting on our message boards, forums, news blogs, chat rooms, or other Online Services;

>>Purchasing a product or services through our online stores;

>>Purchasing downloadable content, virtual items, or virtual currency for use with our software and/or Online Services;

>>Using "tell a friend," "email this page," or other E-Card features;

>>Requesting technical support;

>>Downloading demos, programs, or other software;

>>Participating in polls, surveys, and questionnaires; or

>>Otherwise through use of our software, including console products, mobile products, and personal computer products, and through the use of our online products or Online Services where personal information is required for use and/or participation.

Some of these services are required to know personal details like names, addresses, sex, et cetera. How are you going to apply for a job anonymously? How are you going to subscribe to a newsletter if they don't know your e-mail address?

Again, it hurts me to have to demonstrate this over and over again because I hate analytics and Take Two with a passion. However, I feel that if I do not defend it here, we will never be able to discuss this game on /v/ ever again without a thousand retards pushing FUD and destroying the thread. I'm about two seconds from installing Wireshark myself and demonstrating this.

>>14880116

If a program reserves the right to collect all of this information, and is closed source, then we can only assume that it does this. You can't just assume that it doesn't do this, unless you actually check it with wireshark like you said, and I don't have KSP downloaded to check (it costs a bit of money to get the botnet version).

If you buy a drink that has a notice attached to it that the maker of the drink reserves the right to have put ten fluid drams of sarin into your drink, would you still drink it? Lets say that you don't have any testing equipment because it costs a lot of money.

But I get your point, so maybe this is a better rephrasing:

"KSP collects or attempts to collect or reserves the right to collect "

The point of the article is to catalog all of the information that the program could possibly collect, it doesn't matter if this is required for the service or not. If they wanted to say that they don't collect your personal info unless you apply for a job, then they could write a separate privacy policy for people applying for a job. Since it's all lumped together it can only be assumed that it applies to everybody.

>>14880116

>>>Photo

How the fuck?

>>14880288

Facebook integration, they get all of your general information from facebook if you ever log in using that.

>>14879546

Thanks for the addresses to block in the host file. Problem solved until they change the telemetry addresses.

>>14875725

>>14876022

Dual purpose, you collect data to sell it and to control people. So they'll sell shit like your phone number to spammers who collect data through bot calling, etc. Information trade is a black business.

>>14875704

Oy vey.

>>14876357

>he uses loonix nogames OS

>NSA OS

thank god I'm not an amerimutt

>>14879403

My impression is that if the game has internet access not legally owning it doesn't matter. I don't see how bypassing a cd key would disable any kind of .net, unity or the developers own brand of telemetry. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I don't think pirating it means shit when it comes to your data.

>>14903136

could block it on your firewall.

Literal proof that 2K was the problem with Evolve.

>>14879403

Holy Christ, where do they obtain all of that?

>>14905959

They don't, they simply reserve the right to. see >>14880116

Not trying to justify it, cause it's shitty that they're reserving the right to across all their games, but this really feels like it's being blown out of proportion right now. Unless anyone can provide any actual proof that they're collecting my photo, among other things.

>>14879829

What a terrible color scheme.

>>14907938

I'm going to take a huge guess here based on how this sort of shit has gone down previously in other markets. Browser extentions and smartphone apps.

Frequently they will ask for extremely invasive permission sets and explain it away as something that was "unavoidable" due to how permissions are granted.

Rarely is that ever actually true anymore because those permissions have been split off specifically because of those edge cases but people don't ever think to fact check more than once

They'll wait a few month before some massive update that includes the ability to harvest that specific information using those permissions they got a few months before.

Nobody notices because there was no change.

That is the issue, if they're working it into their ToS/privacy policy now they plan to be able to do so "eventually".