/v/ - Video Games

Because BFD really wasn't that good. Highly amusing, yes, but not very fun to play, the worst of Rare's N64 run, the best obviously being blast corps

>>14851532

DK64 was better. Conker isn't great but it's at least pretty decent and has a good amount of variety in its game play. The Xbox remake had much better game play.

>>14851428

>How come Conker never got a proper sequel?

Because the wild west days of video games is dead. Developers are no longer throwing anything they can at the wall just to see what sticks. Even if we did get a sequel, there's no way they would make it anywhere near as grotesque as the first game. We'd get a water downed baby-bop Conker themed platformer with hamfisted political messages and no attempt at an original joke or proper movie parody. It's better that Conker remain dead than have his corpse dug up with what little dignity he has left being dragged though the mud.

>>14851532

I wouldn't say "worst", the multiplayer mode is probably one of the best on the N64.

>>14851428

>before the Microsoft buyout

You answered your own question.

>>14851555

The X-Box version was watered down, had more censorship, and replaced modes like Heist for a shitty online mode.

>>14851428

>Why don't they make it now since platformers are having a resurgence?

You wouldn't want it. For one thing, most of the people who made the original BFD have left/were fired from Rare and the only people working there are the incompetent jackasses Micro$oft hired to replace them. For another, it was Micro$oft's idea to censor the shit out of the shitty BFD remake because they completely missed the point of Conker and thought it should be marketed to children. Micro$oft basically bought Rare to capture Nintendo's audience or, failing that, to keep Rare from making games for Nintendo.

>>14851532

>the worst of Rare's N64 run

On the contrary, BFD is the perfect antidote to overly bloated collectathons like DK64, and I suspect that was the point

It doesn't need a fucking sequel at this point, they were planning on having Conker commit suicide at the end of the game while they were developing it, they basically hackered away at a half-baked vaporware project that was a clone of Banjo and put their own spin on it. Even if the main programmer wanted to make a sequel it'd be a bitch and a half to even deal with Microkike at this point.

The problem is the type of game CBFD was. Which is to say, one that leaned heavily on current time satire and toilet humor. Imagine if a sequel came out today referencing current year media. It would be pozzed to hell and back.

>>14851555

Too bad the Xbox version traded it's fucking spine for better gameplay and a mediocre multiplayer that was fun for all of 5 minutes.

>>14851712

>>no frontiers left to explore

Are you fucking retarded? How could you possibly believe that there is nowhere on this planet that man hasn't been? The ocean is fucking teeming with unseen life, not to mention all the underground caverns and tunnels, and all what lies beneath the ice of antarctica. There's nowhere left for you to explore, because you never decided to get up and look for them.

>>14851686

It censored jokes that weren't even very funny once you stopped being a 13 year old. Not a big loss for better game play, what matters more.

>>14853487

Oh no I can't hear mediocre british humor and now my game plays a lot better.

>>14851839

I don't know why I typed better when I meant worse.

I did have a very particular idea for a Conker fangame, now that I think about it. It was called Conker Goes Nuts, and it involved him seeking out the Lord of Games from the last Banjo game to bring back Berri, ultimately killing him, and then fighting through the fallout as the entire game world starts to break.

>>14853509

Except the game play wasn't better, and the online mode sort of sucked.

>I'm okay with more unnecessary censorship

Lol what?

>>14853505

Yet that exploration is being condoned by the left and sjws.

>>14853773

The fact that you're so easily controlled by other people is frankly, absolutely pathetic. You're a nihilist faggot.

>>14853796

I never said give up and let them control you.

>>14853830

>Yet that exploration is being condoned by the left and sjws.

Who the fuck cares if they're alright with marine biology, cave exploration and antarctic research? They never go into those fields, much like they don't go into any other field other than the wading pool which is a college "education". By buying into this notion that culture and society has gone down the drain and there is no good in the world, you give them power. Stop being a nihilist faggot, or kill yourself.

>>14852469

A lot of the films BFD referenced were old by the time it referenced them. There's no reason to think a sequel couldn't just reference more old stuff

>>14853838

It's a shitty GBC collectathon. Stop being such a hipster.

>>14851532

This.

As well as Rare was always a marxcist company full of incompetent cucks and hacks, as was exposed by the Yooka Laylee fiasco.

Whenever they have "made" something good, you can bet that it was stolen work made by others that did not got credited.

>>14855425

>>14855468

don't forget rare also eventually had multiple internal dev teams working in competition against each other at the time of N64. The Conker guys were looking at what the Banjo team were doing and vice versa in a game of one-up-manship, and both groups were laughing at the DK64 team's problems.

rare at its best didn't operate in a vacuum, the current environment for dev teams would have them shit out lazy soulless garbage if they knew it would sell

>>14851428

>Microsoft has Rare remake BFD instead of making sequel, so as-to introduce Xbox dudebros to the series since the first one was a cult hit but didn't sell so well due to neutered marketing and the imminent end of the N64's life

>Remake is butchered thanks to inconsistent visual style, censored dialogue, and generic multiplayer

>Doesn't sell well because of the aforementioned issues, and because of the imminent launch of the Xbox 360

>"Guess people just don't want Conker xD" -Microsoft

>Chris Seavor leaves Rare

>Microsoft first does a half-assed Conker revival by making it a part of Project Spark, basically Microsoft's LittleBigPlanet clone

>Doesn't have any raunchy content since Project Spark is supposed to be family friendly, gameplay and story fail to impress

>Sells poorly because of it, gets cancelled alongside PS as a whole

>Releases video of Hololens tech demo with "Young Conker," an egregious and misplaced use of the character that caused outrage on the internet

Microsoft won't touch Conker with a ten-foot pole now (with the sole exception being the BFD port on Rare Replay) because every single time they do, they fuck it up so hard.

>>14851428

Because (((Micro$0ft))) ruined Rare.

>>14851555

Live and Reloaded was definitely the superior version (Despite the unecessary censorship.)

>>14851712

Kill all the Jews and the blacks and these problems will cease.

>>14858008

Said references were the only unfunny parts from that movie

>>14856597

Well just look what happened during the intro of Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts.

>>14854611

>Whatever was in that script, it was probably loaded with a lot of old reference humor that's likely past its expiration date by now.

With the original that was the last third of the game after the Dracula/Resident Evil section with the army stuff, The Matrix and Alien, like they were running out of ideas of what to do with the game, they even dropped a shitty meta joke to make fun of it and then killed it by forgetting about Berry at the end.

>>14858057

I always thought it was a shitty scene even as a kid, it just embarrassed me, even without watching the Matrix at the time since it didn't fit in the movie at all, even worse than the tongue shit.

>>14858057

No I literally mean the intro where they mock the premise of Banjo Kazooie in a terribly unfunny manner.

I get the feeling any Conker's remake would go down that road.

>>14858106

Most notable at 4:51…

>No. No. No. It's much too painful to watch. Gamers today don't want all this. They just want to shoot things. But as we're broadening the demographic, I'll have to think of something original.

It's like a suicide letter.

>>14858126

>>14858103

>>14858106

Remember, they already designed the levels when they had to turn it into a cart racer. This is likely the result of them being pissed off because of it. >>14858106 feels like a "yeah, I know this sucks" type of thing.

>>14858126

And then the game proceeds to be a collect-a-thon but with vehicles instead of running around. Pretty poor taste.

>>14858155

I'm fairly aware of that backstory.

>>14855468

This may be partly true. But you can't deny the fact that in every single case of former "talents" that turn out to be leftists, their "talent" declines and vanishes as soon as they are exposed. As some cases are investigated and it is discovered that many stole works from others and got credited instead of the real creators, i started to think that all of those former "talents" are the same: hacks that stolen finished works and got credited for things that they did not create.

Yanderdev may even be in this category, only not exposed yet as such.

>>14855574

My main problem with all of this is: it is their word. time and time again it was proven that developers lie about everything that they do. They want to tell tales, and not the truth about development.

I never take the words of any developer as the truth about any development of any game or the environment of any company.

It is more realistic to think that they are all lying to try to cover for the real environment: constant bickering, constant stealing of finished works, constant passive-aggressive behavior and constant failures circumvented by sheer luck and passed out as "talent".

>>14856513

Rare was ruined by themselves way before Microshit bought them. Rare was comprised of leftists. They got exposed as talenteless hacks in the Yooka Laylee fiasco.

>>14858472

I imagine the Rare brothers kept them all in line until they bailed out of the video game industry after several decades and sold the company off, the remnants of the company still wanted to make good games but all Microkike does is manage people and subsidiaries to death.

>>14858442

>>14858546

I think I heard a story of someone who used to work for Rare claiming they were much better off when working for Nintendo vs how they went downhill after the Microsoft buyout. It's impressive looking at Rare's output and genre variation of their games during the N64/GBC era, not many companies have matched that.

During the Nintendo era it seems like the only thing limiting Rare was hardware constants while they had the freedom to experiment and do what they wanted. They even had stories about NoJ employees taking notes on how they achieved certain graphic/tech related stuff with their N64 games.

With Microsoft they got fucking restrained by dumbass executives who didn't give a damn about them (cue story about the MS guy who thought they owned Donkey Kong when going through Rare's office's or the Banjo Kazooie pitch that was ignored by another MS guy on his phone) and had multiple projects canceled

>>14854371

Yea but that was before the internet pretty much ruined everything and satire became a fucking joke. Besides that nobody below the age of 30 would be playing that shit.

>>14851712

It gets worse anon, think of how debt is so heavily pushed and how you're essentially owned if you're in it

>>14853509

>censorship is fine because it was just things I didn't care about anyway

>>14851428

With collecathon platforms sort-of getting a bit of a comeback thanks to Hat in Time and the (failure of) Yooka Laylee- it could be possible.

But- the original script of CoBD wouldn't work. It'd be what is shocking in the 90s- which could be blase now. In fact, wasn't there some 2D game that was like a retro-90s platformer but with shock humor because "lol it's kids stuff but they swear". That gimmic is wearing thin. Not to mention >>14854611 - made worse by the fact modern pop-culture isn't worth referencing.

SJW and the like would also use it as an excuse to shit on whoever made it, and get more scalps. Not that I have love for furries- but you couldn't greenlight Berry now. She'd have smaller tits or a body like Conker, she couldn't be a damsel, and she'd probably berate Conker to be strong & independent.

Even from a pure design and marketing POV, you have this >>14855587 and the fact the game was a mish-mash of play styles (which can be OK) and the ending was a rushed mess (which ain't, unless it's supposed to be some meta joke as the game's ending is very different from what was expected).

An IP no one is interested in now, needing a revamp on how it does comedy and gameplay, and relying on being shocking & offensive in a time where people are either looking to be offended by everything or just don't care- with nothing between.

Even if you have a new IP in a similar style, you still have the problem of the latter. And you're leaving money on the table by going with that style instead of going with a "wider appeal" like comfy & nostalgic, or sweet and cutesy.

Anyone who could make it work well (from good gameplay) would probably want to make a new setting with it's own tone- rather than ape the past.

What was planned for the sequel BTW?