121ec8 No.14827378
Let's try to figure out a set of rules or guidelines that help determine whether a game is truly great. I'll start:
Truly great games should eclipse their genre. If a person doesn't normally like puzzle platformers but they end up loving Ico anyway, that would count. I think it's important because it means the game is of such a high quality that even people starting off with a negative expectation still get blown away. I think it's a good sign if you play all the way through a game enjoying it thoroughly and only realise after it's done "oh yeah it WAS a puzzle platformer, I normally hate those".
f7bcd7 No.14827385
Cinemaplay bullshit focused more on storytelling than gameplay = objectively bad game.
121ec8 No.14827406
>>14827385
So The Walking Dead, Life is Strange, The Last of Us, God of War, Uncharted and A Way Out are bad games?
I agree
36bd22 No.14827413
Multiple idle animations
Idle animations depending on your currently equipped weapon.
Idle animations depending on which area of the game you're in.
58142f No.14827419
>>14827406
TWD and LiS aren't video games at all.
bf34ab No.14827428
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Probably Tetris and Dr. Mario. Fuck, even Solitaire and Minesweeper. Games that keep getting rereleased over and over, with little changes to the core mechanics and yet, are still very fun and addictive. I think that objectively speaking, that is the hallmark of some truly timeless gameplay.
f7bcd7 No.14827442
>>14827406
Yes. Metal Gear Solid too.
b74821 No.14827452
>>14827378
Far too much dialog. Takes you out of the gameplay at every opportunity. One month after release, Thief came out and made the gameplay in MGS seem moronic in comparison. It's only legacy is a terrible story that blew your pants out when you were 12 and the emotional attachment lingers.
121ec8 No.14827458
>>14827442
Now you can fuck off
2b291e No.14827462
>>14827378
This is an objective masterpiece. Everyone who disagrees is wrong.
58142f No.14827464
>>14827442
I don't get this meme. All the MGS games except maybe 4 had a nice balance of gameplay and storytelling. You could even skip the cutscenes.
f7bcd7 No.14827465
>>14827458
You have, objectively, shit taste in games.
fa363f No.14827473
games that allow multiple people to experience/play it in completely different ways are usually good.
deus ex, cuhrayzee games, etc.
2b291e No.14827474
>>14827465
MGS 1, 2 and 3 are good, kinda turns into a movie after that.
f7bcd7 No.14827475
The best games have a high skill ceiling, a gradual skill gradient, and immense depth to facilitate replayability.
fcbd88 No.14827479
>>14827475
This game was ez you wannabe intellectual
f7bcd7 No.14827483
>>14827473
What matters however is having meaningful choices. A game like Fallout, for instance, has a lot of different choices you can make in terms of type of character building. But at the end of the day it's an extremely shallow game because it has fuckall for content and is utterly trivial to beat.
bf34ab No.14827499
>>14827462
>special edition
I use to think that this version was just "easy mode" DMC3 for babies who got raped with the original American release. I didn't realize that they actually added quite a bit of content: [gamefags link] https://gamefaqs.please use archive.is/ps2/930014-devil-may-cry-3-special-edition/answers/17227-what-are-the-main-differences-between-this-and-the-original
78d3ec No.14827505
>someone who doesn't like [genre] will like [game]
is the same as saying
>[game] is for people who haven't played [genre]
which is the same as saying
>[game] is an introduction to [genre]
which is usually referred to as
>babby's first [genre]
By your logic, Bioshock Infinite is an objectively great game because people who don't like Quake, UT, etc. will like it. Greatness is not, and should never be defined by the accessibility of the game, otherwise the entire list will be full of games made after 2008.
>>14827464
>You could even skip the cutscenes
Not all of them. I sure love staring at the conversation between Liquid and Grey Fox, being talked at by Stillman and Pliskin, and hearing Volgin talk about how much he loves Big Boss's body. Besides, most of each game is spent walking to the next cutscene anyways, might as well watch them if you're wasting your life on such mediocre gameplay.
83ab92 No.14827508
>>14827378
> I think it's a good sign if you play all the way through a game enjoying it thoroughly and only realise after it's done "oh yeah it WAS a puzzle platformer, I normally hate those".
maybe the person in question simply played BAD GAMES, and an AVERAGE one managed to impress him/her?
>>14827385
OP asked about great, not bad
>>14827413
Meh, shows attention to detail - but is not required.
>>14827428
Probably the only right answer there is. Or maybe - if a game is still being cared about 10+ years later, that shows it's a masterpiece. Pokemon R/B/Y, Jagged Alliance 2, HOMM3…
d44562 No.14827517
>>14827508
>Probably the only right answer there is. Or maybe - if a game is still being cared about 10+ years later, that shows it's a masterpiece. Pokemon R/B/Y, Jagged Alliance 2, HOMM3…
But this is not 100% either. A masterpiece could simply be missed, because it wasn't there at the right place or time…
f7bcd7 No.14827522
>>14827508
>if a game is still being cared about 10+ years later, that shows it's a masterpiece
You've taken their argument and twisted it into a lazy ad populum fallacy. There's many reason people might still care about a game, and it's not because it's necessarily a good game.
83ab92 No.14827530
>>14827522
Well, what about if mods or hacks are still being made 10+ years later? What about if newer installments are ignored in favor of earlier ones (again - HOMM3 over the newer ones…). Or /v/'s favorite Doom 1 over Doom 4…
8ce012 No.14827537
>>14827378
I don't like puzzle platformers and I didn't like Ico. And as a matter of fact I don't agree with a lot of people about what a great game is. Let them play them themselves and come to their own conclusions wrong conclusions in the case of anyone but me, this applies to anyone's opnion
f7bcd7 No.14827540
>>14827530
Mods are a sign that a game was deficient in something, not that it was good.
121ec8 No.14827542
>>14827505
>By your logic
That's not my logic, I said none of that. You're wrong about what you said too.
5abeb3 No.14827556
Personally a great game to me is the type of game where I never feel myself getting bored with any part of it. If I could explain that with a sentence it would be the kind of game where I never thought to myself "god let this cutscene/soundtrack/level/act/game end already".
5a094b No.14827581
>>14827540
Not necessarily, you can always add new characters, weapons, skills, etc…
>>14827535
Well, I haven't played it, so I can't say. It's possible though…
Anyway, my argument is a combination one: 1 - newer installments are ignored in favor of an older one and 2 - mods are still being made for it. Pokemon R/B/Y, HOMM3, and Jagged Alliance 2 all fit both.
In reality though, there is probably no objective measurement…
0c9ceb No.14827671
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14827385
this. As shown by comparing CoD 2 with cod WW2 (skip to 3:07).
No matter the quality of a game: i will ALWAYS prefer to keep permanent control over my character during "cut scene". well.. exept if i am playing empire at war
overall i would say:
>a game with good ingredients that meld well with each other (unlike the witcher3),
AAA curently only focus on one ingredient: graphics, and sometime "the world" (ex:open world) because that's what people see in trailer, what is seen and so it the best way to sell a game.
> who respect it's genre,
This is the most important aspect. Look at swotor: it is bad not because the story is bad, hell i would kill to have a rpg featuring a story like Imperial Agent had)
but because it was a shitty >mmo< . (and that's an issue 99% of the mmo out there suffer)
>add some new mechanics or develop the genre itself
ex: Berserk (on ps1 IIRC) then DmC came and redefined the genre.
<all game that degenerate/bastardise the genre are terrible (perfect example being dow of war3)
anyway, i am just making this halfass post on the fly.
If you want to know what and how can you define an objectively great game then you are in luck:
Just compare the current equivalent of old game and see what failed (aside from microtransaction)
ex: compare CoD2 with CoD WW2
battlefront 2 with battlefrontEA2 back then i was hoping battlefrontEA would have been battlefield 2142 with SW skin
battlefield bad company (battlefield3?) vs current battlefield
etc …
²²i would have hoped battlefieldEA would have been.
nb: game that manage to masterfully blend two genre or two totally opposit target audience are automatically great game:
ex: SSBM : a party game giving enouth freedom to the player so that it can be played in an extremly competitive way.
6dc0ba No.14827750
>OP starts with cinematic game as an example of objectively good game
Metal Gear Solid is extremely overrated and it is hardly a good game or a good genre
7ed9f2 No.14827786
I would say F.E.A.R. and it's expansion Extraction Point, are objectively good in terms of level design allowing AI to traverse the areas in a way which makes them feel like a genuinely intelligent enemy.
The weapons in it are fun and all feel worth while to use. By extension, the players melee abilities and overall mobility add to combat.
The slow motion the player can go in adds a level of fun and spectacle, in both being a practical option to use in combat, as well as being cool to use in seeing the levels get absolutely destroyed by gunfire and explosion.
It's also a great example of how dynamic lighting and good physics on world objects can truly add atmosphere to otherwise fairly typical FPS corridors.
The only weak points I see in F.E.A.R. are in the horror elements, being a product of the early 2000's creepy little girl craze and it's story being sort of bland. Though sometimes the scares can get you when you aren't really expecting it.
Despite it's weakpoints, I think it's a fantastically crafted FPS that should be used as a standard of the genre's design.
f5a528 No.14827832
Perfection in every sense of the word. I have spent years searching for something that I would rate as highly as this. FF7 comes close, open to recommendations
f5a528 No.14827834
0217ff No.14827838
>>14827378
OP is a faggot. The description you give of a "great game" is one that is casualized or genericized, which is the opposite of greatness. Great games focus on pleasing their core audience instead of trying to appeal to everyone and watering everything down.
121ec8 No.14827867
>>14827838
>The description you give of a "great game" is one that is casualized or genericized, which is the opposite of greatness.
There's a clear difference between lowest common denominator mass market appeal and a game so high quality it transcends personal tastes. Use your brain first before you open your mouth.
8a702b No.14827928
Becuase this series is better than metal gear and does everything objectively better, other than what the genre is, it does its humor better, its gameplay is just as naturally defined to its genre to the point of perfection, it does the additional detailed content better, even the world details are better. At least this series doesnt have a shitty end to its protag, you can say all its games are consistently great from sequel to sequel.
bf34ab No.14827932
>>14827912
>7.93 MB gif
>dimensions are only 498x275
At least try to optimize that shit or something
b9c798 No.14827967
Good games are objectively good.
Pic related.
>>14827385
This.
First and foremost, games are about gameplay and fun FOR MEN.
Anything that panders to anything else than those two characteristics, is objectively shit, such as cinematic shit.
8cc3df No.14827971
>>14827932
But gifs are lossless! Which is perfect for when you take a clip of an already lossy source and then make it look even worse!
84f400 No.14827976
>>14827971
If the colors were consistent that GIF could be very small, because there's very little motion going on in it.
8742f3 No.14827983
>>14827832
It was my first JRPG and it spoiled me, it's hard to play anything else. Tried getting into FF6, but it was weird. Loved how seamless the combat was.
b5cf2b No.14827989
>>14827932
i was lazy and if you really cared about optimizing bandwidth just go an tell Mark to ban the webm threads because its just predigested youtube and liveleak
84f400 No.14828000
>>14827971
>make it look even worse
This isn't quite correct though. Compressing it with a lossy video codec is what'll make it look even worse. The only worse-off part (unless the video had a lot of colors originally which it doesn't appear to) is that you can't replicate precise frame rates with GIF.
c05731 No.14828017
>>14827378
I think your idea of something being objectively good just because someone who doesn't normally like that thing is a shit measure of objective quality.
For instance, I dislike the gameplay of the game Bastion, but I liked the delivery, art style and music so much that it's one of my favorite games of all time.
That doesn't mean it's an objectively good "spin around like a maniac and click" game(top down shooter? Three fourths shooter/melee?)
It just means that certain good qualities eclipsed the bad ones to the point that I didn't mind that the gameplay was shit.
I've said it before and was ignored. Games are a sum of their parts.
f463a1 No.14828039
>>14827475
the best games have a high skill ceiling and simple gameplay
84f400 No.14828046
>>14827479
This, great games have staying power because a lot of time can be invested into developing skill. Which is fundamentally what a game is all about in the first place.
84f400 No.14828058
>>14828039
>and simple gameplay
I don't see how that necessarily correlates. In fact one might argue that the simpler your gameplay is, the less gradual the skill gradient may be, because such a high proportion skill is wrapping up in execution.
a4349a No.14828060
>>14827912
Breath of the wild is a objectively great game.
>>>/cuckchan/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/tv/
f463a1 No.14828071
>>14828069
ignore this image
84f400 No.14828082
b5cf2b No.14828085
f463a1 No.14828089
>>14828082
simple gameplay, extremely high skill ceiling, it's pretty much objectively good
84f400 No.14828103
>>14828089
Nah, the skill curve sucks. Quake III skill starts with learning to exploit unintuitive coding bugs.
13e8a4 No.14828120
>>14828060
Nigger I had more fun playing Zelda 64 for the first time, since I never played it on 64, I played it on game cube.
and its better then BotW
f463a1 No.14828135
>>14828103
bunnyhopping was not fixed for a reason, it increases the skill ceiling considerably and has no downsides to being in the game as it gives skilled players an advantage, the fact that it was originally unintended is irrelevant and arbitrary as the developers accept it as a skill-based mechanic
84f400 No.14828147
>>14828135
>bunnyhopping was not fixed for a reason
Because already skilled players demanded it. What about the unskilled players? Face it, Quake III will never be great.
8cc3df No.14828152
>>14828000
Except when you're restricted to 256 colors and 50 frames per second it does look worse.
f463a1 No.14828163
>>14828147
they git gud or they leave, as happens with all skill based games? i fail to see your point, learn to play good or stay shit, this isn't an argument against the game
8cc3df No.14828165
>>14828060
More like Bad of the wild.
2b9ff6 No.14828171
>>14828060
Whatever you say, Japanese Todd.
84f400 No.14828182
>>14828152
That's pretty much what I posted, yes.
f5a528 No.14828189
I never really cared for RPGs, but I liked Final Fantasy X. Does that make it an objectively good game, or a bad RPG?
2b9ff6 No.14828205
>>14827832
Pretty much.
I have yet to play FF7 though. Funnily enough I have no urge to replay Chrono Trigger yet though despite my opinion on the game being high.
One thing I did consider a flaw in it was it just being so piss easy for the most part. The only times I remember having difficulty was the sand pit, the mountain place after Krono dies and the brief difficulty spikes in the BC era.
f2a75b No.14828276
>>14828103
>Quake III skill starts with learning to exploit unintuitive coding bugs
Just what makes them so unintuitive, then?
02b36d No.14828295
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
>>14827786
>>14827832
>>14828058
> F.E.A.R.
> Chrono Trigger
> Guilty Gear Accent Core Plus R
All 10/10s
>>14827844
>>14828060
> BotW
wasn't terrible, I had fun with it, but it's far from being truly "great", considering there's better Zelda games.
bf34ab No.14828355
>>14827989
tried my hand at trying to optimize it
a45c3c No.14828380
>>14827378
O B J E C T I V E L Y
b5cf2b No.14828392
>>14828355
you can just webm that part from a video and it will be like 200kb with sound
a4349a No.14828418
>>14828120
>Nigger
Anon everyone who uses /v/ with the exception of the Golem of Cake, is white.
>>14828295
Link to the Past is far to linear because Miyamoto wanted to tell a "story" and there wasn't enough storage space to allow the player to have real freedom. If you are going to be a Zelda snob at least use Zelda 1 or 2 as your trump card. ALTTP is literally an inferior OOT. If you really wanted to stick it to the man, you also could have used the superior Link's Awakening and Oracle Series.
b5cf2b No.14828419
>>14828401
are you the designated spacing monitor?
always on duty i see, such a great responsibility for mortal man.
a4349a No.14828430
>>14828419
Reddit not welcomed
828e13 No.14828443
>>14828401
I never tire of people forcing this goddam meme when nothing about the thread that is cancerous enough to even suggest reddit-tier posts. Most of them are quite reasonable in fact.
620166 No.14828444
>>14828418
>getting objective on calling people nigger
>thinking somebody who likes BoTW has a single good opinion about which game in the series is good
ALttP is less linear and more open than OoT and OoT is barely even in the same ballpark when it comes to most of the core mechanics like combat and 3D. OoT was intended to be open but had its dungeon order and maybe of the sequences scrapped due to minimal dev hours. You can stop posting now.
620166 No.14828450
84f400 No.14828453
>>14828444
>ALttP is less linear and more open than OoT
In what way?
02b36d No.14828463
>>14828418
> Link to the Past
> inferior OOT
> implying OOT or BOTW are actually the best zeldas
you have to go back
>>>/reddit/
58f21e No.14828464
>>14828419
meme spacing is a fucking cancer and should be called out whenever spotted.
>>14828443
The fact that they're using meme spacing is more than enough proof of redditors.
620166 No.14828483
>>14828453
Dungeon order and exploration isn't as cut back. In OoT you can do certain dungeons early or out of order but you often can't complete them without exploring half of another dungeon. The same is sorta the case in LttP but there's definitely more you can do early. I had a list of ALttP somewhere that showed you all the different places you could do at any time but I can only find my OoT one. If you look at the map in the pic related you'll kinda see what I mean with how linear it is. Half the routes rely on using a glitch or doing something incredibly out of the blue that you wouldn't really consider unless you specifically went out of your way to do the dungeons out of order.
9cf606 No.14828493
>>14828147
that's like saying surfing in tribes 2 should have been removed because it was an "unintuitive bug" Fuck you, fun things are fun
c05731 No.14828500
>>14828464
Been typing like this since trollface was a meme and I don't plan on stopping because of some millennial gatekeeper that cares more about spacing than the content of the post.
Suck my balls.
037c1e No.14828501
>>14827378
1. You notice the little things and attention to details
2. You notice the ambience and music add to the game
3. Nothing close to resembling subtle progressive pushing of sjw nonsense is seen or heard.
4. The artistic design is not borrowed and impressive.
5. The game play mechanics are exciting and add and improve what has been acceptable beforehand.
6. Loot is realistic and varied with surprises.
7. Story is captivating and original.
8. No intrusive dlc or milking schemes.
9. No bugs or glitches.
10. Devs are respectful of their audience.
828e13 No.14828507
>>14828464
>The fact that they're using meme spacing is more than enough proof of redditors.
>not realizing that people space like that normally without having been to Reddit
Christ you could at least posted a game before losing your shit over literally nothing.
620166 No.14828518
>>14828500
>I can't type correctly because I browse shittier websites so fuck you
Yea nobody gives a shit if people think you're an oldfag. Eat shit newfag.
>>14828507
>not realizing that people who space every other sentence shouldn't be put in the gas chamber
Nah fuck off.
21fb55 No.14828519
>>14828501
>Devs are respectful of their audience.
? Can you explain
9cf606 No.14828522
>>14828518
>there is only one way of typing correctly
you sound like a faggot
84f400 No.14828523
>>14828493
Not really, it's saying the difference between a good game and a great game is how gradual the skill curve is. Quake III is still good anon. It's just not great.
c05731 No.14828532
>>14828518
What are you viewing this website on that double spacing bothers you?
I'm not writing an essay, I'm having a conversation. I'll format however I like. I'm sorry you bought into a 2015 meme and wont let it die, but redditspacing has never been a thing man.
12c74b No.14828549
I request mods delete this thread for being objectively shit and trying to discuss good games with one of the worst games of all time as an example in the op, I won't use the report function but if mods see this I hope they take my advice and delete this shit.
620166 No.14828551
>>14828522
>there is only one way of typing correctly
No there's plenty. The way you type in inherently wrong and indicative. Stay mad.
>>14828532
>What are you viewing this website on that double spacing bothers you?
Reddit.
>but redditspacing has never been a thing man.
>says the redditor
You fags aren't going to convince me otherwise. If you want to type like an illiterate then don't bitch that people are calling you redditors. Or do. I don't give a shit since I know neither of you are from around here.
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c05731 No.14828576
>>14828551
>Reddit
I didn't know reddit had a browser in website feature. Seems pretty useless. You should probably just use a normal browser and standard text formatting wont get you so booty bothered.
620166 No.14828587
>>14828576
Keep posting newfag.
732648 No.14828695
>>14828218
thanks, will check it out if I can find a way to play it
732648 No.14828718
>>14828519
The devs realize that a good game is made for the audience, not the company's profits, and aims to make a game with the focus of making the audience go, "Wow, that game was an 11/10"
732648 No.14828723
789469 No.14828731
everyone who posted in this thread needs to be perma rangebanned
d4e7cb No.14828736
>>14828723
No, it really isn't.
retard.
732648 No.14828742
>>14828736
Oh, my mistake. I thought you were a reasonable person with good taste, but since I'm talking to a fucking retard then I too will throw all civility out the window. faggot
620166 No.14828745
>>14828731
Yourself included
732648 No.14828750
>>14828731
this is a good thread
2b9ff6 No.14828764
>>14828418
t. nigger who never played LttP and bandwagon shitposts about it
I bet you never played Oracles or Awakening either and are just spouting opinions from the 1-2 autists that always appear in the zelda threads to claim they are the best sleeper hits in the zelda series without saying anything about them
d4e7cb No.14828789
>>14828771
I know you are but what am I?
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT BITCH A D U B S THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>14828775
620166 No.14828794
>>14828771
>pretending to be retarded
I win. gg
5d26cb No.14828838
>>14828532
>What are you viewing this website on that double spacing bothers you?
A computer monitor, not a fucking phone you nigger.
There's zero reason to double space between greentext and main body, and especially not between >>numbers and text because that's extra fucking retarded.
6d0a50 No.14828860
/v/ is a weird place, they hate games that focus on story but at the same time they also love their obscure niche anime visual novels.
3d103b No.14828866
Perfected the kino, added fun, useful mechanics, new weapons were mechanically rich and didn't completely drown out the old ones in relevance, turned out an insane amount of content with ludicrous amounts of depth, gentle enough to ease in new players, while still respecting their intelligence, perfect online play, with almost no lag even on shit internet.
This is the perfect game. The only negative thing I can say about it is it's on the 3ds and you can't play it with a proper controller.
84f400 No.14828870
>>14828860
>/v/ is all the same reason
Some of us can enjoy a good story while simultaneously recognizing a bad game.
84f400 No.14828876
6d0a50 No.14828900
>>14828870
I dunno anon, I read that Chrono Cross/Trigger is bad because it's story was confusing and now MGS is bad because it have a lot of cutscenes which (retroactively) makes it 'too cinematic for /v/'.
I'm really curious about what these people consider a good game ?
84f400 No.14828925
>>14828900
You're in the right thread anon, people have posted a good number of games better than Kojima's cinemaplay trash.
a50ece No.14828927
>>14828900
MGS is a good game, you stupid faggot.
457d9e No.14828950
Rogue is the perfect Computer Role-Playing Game. It's a game which can be built upon, but can not be objectively improved, at least from what I can gather. It's not the funnest of RPGs, but it is what we can call "core" to the genre.
6d0a50 No.14828952
>>14828927
I agree with you, I've been the series since 1998 (in b4 newfag, I had a MSX and played Snatcher on my Sega CD). The only MGS that was truly modern trash was Phantom Pain and it's open world meme.
2b9ff6 No.14828960
>>14828900
>Cross/Trigger
Nigger don't even try to lump those two games together. Chrono Trigger's plot wasn't anywhere close to overly complex.
6d0a50 No.14828968
>>14828960
Never said the plot was complex, you seem to have misinterpreted my post.
a50ece No.14828985
>>14828952
You're posting on /v/, and everyone on /v/ hates MGS, thus you hate MGS.
Take your own logic and choke on it.
6d0a50 No.14829005
>>14828985
Not everyone, but a loud minority (I think) of people here is taking the hate of the 'cinematic experience meme' to a extreme and applying it even to old games.
a50ece No.14829034
>>14829005
Do you think that same loud minority also loves visual novels?
If not, maybe you should stop spouting this "/v/ is wierd because it likes things it hates" idiocy.
8a702b No.14829190
>>14829034
>>14829005
>>14828985
but yakuza does what metal gear does, but better. so mgs sucks anyways.
648af9 No.14829232
>>14829190
>Thing I like does the things from thing you like better in my opinion therefore thing you like is retroactively bad
That sounds like a fallacy. What does yakuza do better than MGS?
>>14828501
Can you define 3,4,5 and 7? I feel like 5 leaves the door open to completely rule out the entirety of some genres like fps
96dec9 No.14829241
My pic for an objectively great game would be terraria.
>more than enough content for the price.
>blows mineshit out of the water
>great multiplayer
>runs great on toasters
>not pixelshit but looks pretty good
>highly moddable
>lasts forever
>neat endgame
>insane amount of 2d creative freedom
>>14828866
I agree, my only issue with it is that the Apex monsters were absolute AIDS.
My dumbass friend couldnt play it because "The controls are bad, this game is unplayable".
Hes probably just shit at the game.
8a702b No.14829246
d671e1 No.14829281
>>14829241
>not pixelshit but looks pretty good
That's a weird way to spell "sprites ripped from Final Fantasy V, but retouched to avoid copyright issues".
648af9 No.14829290
>>14829246
>>14827928
Yeah you need to expand on this, you aren't saying anything.
>YAKUSA DOES EVERYTIN BETTAR HAHA MGS IS SHIT
Does yakuza do stealth better? Where, because I havent seen any stealth in yakuza.
How is its humor better, that sounds like a claim you need to give proofs for.
"Its gameplay is defined to its genre" this sentence means nothing.
I also wouldn't say MGS had a shitty end to its protags.
These are also 2 completely seperate genres. Yakuza being a good beat-em up doesn't mean mgs are bad stealth action games.
>inb4 moar nu-/v/irgins cry plebbit opinion
8a702b No.14829316
>>14829290
>>other than what genre each game is
learn to read faggot
>mgs isnt bad stealth
thats a good laugh, at least Yakuza can actually have its merits to back its own unique genre-defining traits, while MGS is the shittiest stealth, Nu-thief is more stealth-ier than MGS.
>how does it have better humor
because it does, all that slapstick humor kojima tried to latch onto for MGS5 was fucking cringy as hell, at least Yakuza didnt need to try too hard
>i wouldnt say mgs had a shitty end to its protags
so youre saying MGS5 had a great and successful and appropriate ending compared to yakuza 6, which actually was finish and had a real ending for its protag? okay.
648af9 No.14829373
>>14829316
>learn to read
I missed that bit, keep it down.
>Muh mgs5
MGS5 isn't the end of boss. His story ends in 4. I don't give a shit about what happens in 5. If you mean mgs5 is a poor sendoff for his character as a final entry to the series I can agree, but nobody should really be counting 5 as an entry in the series
>It just does have better humor
5 isnt the only game in the series but do you wanna give an example of a poorly done joke in lets say 3 or 4 or 2 that gets done better in yakuza? I'm not gonna play an entire series just to have this argument
84f400 No.14829387
>>14829241
>runs great on toasters
Oh no it doesn't. The game is optimized like crap. Linux port is a pile of shit in particular, I had to upgrade to an RX560 to make it run and even then the game still has frame rate quirks.
3d103b No.14829401
>>14829241
I say that if it was on a proper console I would never need another game. I want it on switch and PC.
8a702b No.14829407
>>14829373
yes so all those points prove that yakuza is a better series objectively that metal gear because it has the same quirks and spirit that metal gear has: the slapstick shit, the details in mechanics, gameplay, world, and world building, the story building and story and cinematic. The only thing that isnt comparable is the genre, thats it, but it sure as hell does everything else metal gear is famous for better.
634548 No.14829481
>>14829373
>>14829407
you both need to cut your losses and move on
bca134 No.14829484
>>14827832
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
Objectively the best SRPG.
30b326 No.14829488
>innovates or polishes something to make itself stick out from the others, gives you a reason to choose it instead of it's competitors
>supported by secrets, attention to details, and stuff worth discussing to keep the game alive or make it memorable, not your average modern shitgame that has nothing left to discuss or explore after a month
>unique gameplay experience or feel you can't fully understand from just watching someone else play the game
892b84 No.14829537
At this point, it is coming back to replay a game two decades after its release, when shiny new graphics or new hotness are not in play.
0d2348 No.14829619
>>14828549
do you really need the mods to win your arguments? that is sad;
17235b No.14829653
>Videogames
>Objective anything
It's all a matter of opinion.
c39f9a No.14829704
didn't want to post this, because it's just a mess of bullshit i was thinking the other day this thread reminded me of, but what the hell. not like i'm hanging around to read replies
a book, movie, song, game, etc. does not exist in a vacuum.
it exists in a continuum of others, reaching upwards, classics founded upon other classics, founding future classics.
it's a series of improvements, but improving what?
there's a problem with every book, movie, song, game, etc. that their creators can't solve, some may notice, few can articulate, and fewer can solve.
those who solve it create something great, something that shits on yesterday's great, something that makes yesterday's great 'great, for yesterday'.
if no one solves it, then it'll remain great until someone proves otherwise.
master artists and authors sometimes express dissatisfaction with their greatest works.
god knows what they see up there that makes timeless masterpieces fall short
perhaps we'll see someone come along and fix what's wrong with perfection, and hail him the new master
perhaps not
213322 No.14829705
>>14829653
>skyrim is not objectively worse than Far Cry 2
>battleborn is not objectively worse than Half-Life
>bad controls are not objectively worse than good controls
Really makes you (((think)))
a4349a No.14829717
>>14829705
>misuses a shitty meme
Really make (you) wish that you refugees would go back to cuckchan
bca134 No.14829730
>>14829717
He's not misusing it, but commenting on the jewishness of postmodern (((thought))).
a4349a No.14829745
>>14828463
>implying that I have the reddit taste while (you) post reddit memes
0e488d No.14829763
What is the TDKR Plane Scene of video games
a4349a No.14829776
>>14829730
While (((their))) influence cannot be ignored and United States foreign policy is clearly dictated by Neoconservative and NeoLiberal Zionist. Everything isn't Jewish you fucking newfag. The Anglican's through Freemasonry is a huge part of the globalist elite as well. It actually gets really fucking old when people use that shit TRSodomite meme everywhere.
t./pol/ack
620166 No.14829794
>>14829387
Nig I run the game on an i3. If you run something older than that you need an upgrade. I will say modding anything makes it chug though and you are right, it's horribly unoptimized. But even most older rigs can run it.
bca134 No.14829803
>>14829776
How can you claim to be a /pol/ack and say that postmodern 'nothing is real, nothing is objective' theory is not quintessentially Jewish?
213322 No.14829808
>>14829717
>truth is a meme
Kill yourself.
>misused
>lol i say so
Really makes you (((think.)))
>>14829776
>Everything isn't Jewish
Yes, thanks for admitting that everything I said is, in fact, true and that you're CLEARLY either a fucking paid shill or have an IQ below 80 and don't comprehend the foundation of modern society.
>hurr durr i'm totally a /pol/ack lol ignore that i'm apologizing for jewish subversion of society at all levels
Yeah, we really believe you.
0e488d No.14829876
>>14829776
Fuck off you fucking faggot, Freemasonry is a diversion tactic
a440aa No.14829954
>>14827378
I'd probably have to go with Super Metroid and Doom 1/2. SM has my favorite world map design and movement of any 2D game, and Doom is still a huge blast to play to this day.
>>14828380
Well yeah, it's the best RTS to this day.
>>14828985
>You're posting on /v/, and everyone on /v/ hates MGS, thus you hate MGS.
I see you started browsing in 2016, newfag. Before TPP /v/ dickrode Kojimbo and MGS, since arguably every game was pretty good up until that point. It took about 3 months for the fact that TPP blew to really sink in across the board.
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ce2323 No.14829988
>>14829387
im on linux on a netbook and terraria runs fine on this device as long as i keep the settings right.what the hell?
54f6d9 No.14830038
>>14829491
That isn't even best 2hu
84f400 No.14830048
17235b No.14830056
>>14829705
The games we find shit are masterpieces to retards, who, in turn, think the games we consider good are shit. We can't establish a criteria in stone if the thing said criteria is for isn't universally accepted by everyone. All we can do is bicker over what's good and what isn't, for all eternity.
2b9ff6 No.14830085
>>14829745
>>14829776
>>14829717
>>14828418
>>14828060
>>14827844
well my theory about botw niggers being excessive tasteless shitposters just got another piece of evidence in its favor
6d0a50 No.14830104
>>14829190
I don't care too much about Yakuza plot, I like it because it is a spiritual successor of Streets Of Rage/Final Fight beat em up which most companies seens to have abandoned.
Too bad it is PS4 exclusive though, even though I have one, I'd rather play on my good old PC.
d1930e No.14830138
>>14829705
>skyrim is not objectively worse than Far Cry 2
FC2 has nowhere nearly as much content as Skyrim though, so OBJECTIVELY, it's the worse game which is only objectively better in a few aspects such as combat.
cc8094 No.14830145
>>14827406
>The Walking Dead, Life is Strange, A Way Out
Yep.
>>14827844
Woah, nigger. It's not an objectively good game. It's just a mediocre game at best.
7e29a9 No.14830154
>>14827928
>Becuase this series is better than metal gear and does everything objectively better
okay what the fuck gives I've seen your posting in several threads now talking about how yakuza is better than metal gear, . What are you trying to accomplish. Yakuza 0 and 2 are some of my favorite games but bringing metal gear into the comparison doesn't make any sense.
8a702b No.14830240
>>14830154
nothin nigga. Just that Yakuza deserves better praise and metal gear is shit, it pretty much does everything metal gear does, its just a different game in its genre, but has to same style of design with everything else in the series, the quirky slap stick humor, the god tier tone changing, the detail and focus on mechanics and "muh technology" is all there, all those things metal gear is famous for yakuza has already, at least its not a dead fucking series that does have merit to still exist to this day makes it objectively better.
7c4e84 No.14830260
>>14830138
More content =/= better
1a8da9 No.14830402
>>14827750
Now wait just a second.
I get it if MGS3 and 4 looked like the precursors of extreme cinematic shit in vidya, but at least recognize that 1 and 2, before Kojima was pressured to keep this shit to gain more asian shekels, were unquestionably great
d1930e No.14830422
>>14830260
More content == better, especially if there's so few content that it makes the game boring.
b9c798 No.14830614
>>14830422
More content means nothing.
Fun is what matters.
d63876 No.14830638
>>14830614
Rather than fun, I use 'Engagement' as fun can be a part of that, but even when it's not fun a game can hold your attention given the proper mindset.
210e78 No.14830720
I'v actually just finished playing though every God of War game, save for NuGoW and I'v got to be honest This is a really great series. The fact that it popularized QTE's is pretty much the only real flaw that it has, and even then the QTE's aren't even that bad, at times they are even fairly well integrated.
I'd still say the first GoW is the best one, simply because of just how well envisioned it is, the others games you can tell they are bending the story line a bit so they can fit in more games, but still a lot of love when into this series and none of the games were half assed, The PSP games were made with the exact same standards as the mainline games, and actually improve the storyline by fleshing out Kratos as a character.
Each game has a ton of content, that highly encourages replayablity, playing on Very hard requires actual Skill, mastery of the mechanics and an understanding of each enemy in the game. getting completion rewards you with really interesting bonus videos which expands the lore. The games are all balanced in a way that a playing of any skill level will always have the tools they need to succeed available to them. Skills you learn in the first game remain just as useful though out the entire series, the gameplay is never changed unnecessarily it just becomes more polished for every sequel.
It's one of the most consistently good franchises i'v ever seen.
c890e0 No.14831815
>>14828058
>classic GG is forever replaced by Xturd
Death can't come soon enough.
7b2d57 No.14832647
>>14827378
I see what you mean. Catherine had a lot of appeal beyond the action-puzzle audience.
18f4af No.14832721
>>14827475
then by your metric the best games are competitive since the depth is bottomless
349a24 No.14832772
>>14830240
>nigga
i love the yakuza games and i think you should kill yourself you worthless nigger, now go back to cuckchan and never come back.
7b2d57 No.14832831
>>14832772
Salty ass nigga detected
349a24 No.14833022
>>14832831
>nigga instead of nigger
0c9ceb No.14833266
>>14833022
dub speak the truth
b9c798 No.14833448
>>14830638
"Muh subjectivity".
Fun is what matters, and what is fun is always fun.
Everything else is meaningless.
Fuck off with your shilling.
>>14830720
Nah. It is shit.
>>14831815
And remember that Daisuke is now pandering to marxist from commiefornia. If he is not one of them already.
>>14832772
Fuck off, soyboy.
84f400 No.14833482
>>14833448
>And remember that Daisuke is now pandering to marxist from commiefornia. If he is not one of them already.
Take your meds. Ishiwatari is ruining Guilty Gear because he's a greedy fucking capitalist.
003cce No.14833546
>>14829387
I played it on a fucking Thinkpad X220 (Intel HD3000) and it ran just fine back then. You should check your drivers.
9f7ad2 No.14833583
>>14831815
What's wrong with Xrd? I just got into the series, so I'm not really familair with any of the other titles.
21fb55 No.14833600
800555 No.14833605
>>14828418
>Anon everyone who uses /v/ with the exception of the Golem of Cake, is white.
>this nigger browses /v/
(X) - Doubt
2b9ff6 No.14833742
>>14833448
>Fun is what matters, and what is fun is always fun.
>Everything else is meaningless.
but anon Skyrim isn't fun, its fucking boring
f2a75b No.14833746
I know a handful of games which I'd consider mechanically perfect, but they do so by shedding off every other element in favor of heavily focusing on a single one, resulting in small niche games with very limited scopes which only really appeal to a handful of people. You could appreciate these kind of games for what they are on how they are designed, even if they are not the kind of games you would sink hours into.
Games larger in scope are prone to Murphy's Law, and even the games one is most likely consider the best usually contains a bunch of flaws, but you're able to look past them because with larger games, they're the sum of their parts, whereas flaws in a smaller game are much more impactful. "Perfection" is a meaningless standard by which to judge whether you will actually enjoy a game. As is the size of the collective enjoyment of a particular game. Of course, this doesn't mean games shouldn't strive for perfection.
When determining the quality of a game, you should aim to determine the appeals and goals of a game first, and then make your case how well the game succeeds at reaching those goals. Even if it didn't do much for you personally, you could at least say that other kinds of people could like this game (that doesn't imply people with shit taste). You could say GAME is a bad X, but perhaps GAME wasn't trying to be X at all, and judging GAME by the standards of X is rather pointless to most other people who are unlikely to share the same view. A mistake a lot of people make is planting their own expectations, tastes and standards on a game who pass off their distastes as objective criticism, even though the implementations of their suggestions would result in a game not worse or better, but merely a different one more suited to their tastes. Equally as worthless is judging a game designed around high-level play by its surface-level qualities to anyone not determined to play on the high-level.
b9c798 No.14840616
>>14833482
That panders to marxists. Learn to read.
>>14833742
And it is shit.
It's the "many things to do, and none are fun" category of nugame.
606d6b No.14841164
>>14827786
>fear
>OBJECTIVELY good
objectively kill yourself
>>14828574
84f400 No.14841746
>>14841252
Shit controls and bad interface, shallow mechanics and low content, loads of bugs. No.
cec277 No.14843123
>>14841746
But anon, that's wrong.
620166 No.14844507
>>14841164
>It's the anti-FEAR fag again
5f832f No.14844561
>Objectively Great Games
Absolute arcade tier super great fucking masterpiece.
CRAZY TAXI
sorry for the webm.
5f832f No.14844597
>>14841237
True. It's a wild ride. Super high octane FPS tetris.
5f832f No.14844680
>>14830720
I agree. GoW games are great. The nu-one I have not tried and never will.
The best thing in gow games was always the setting and the fights in those settings. Every single one of the 5 main GoW games had great unique places to kill shit. The "simon says" quick time events never bothered me that much, but the games would be better if those were put only in boss fights.
337d29 No.14844694
>>14844561
I feel like the handling for drifting could be better, and Crazy Dashes could have more of a visual cue that you've performed them successfully.
617ea0 No.14844846
>>14830720
I agree. They're not my favourite hack and slash (or stylish action/cuhrayzee/whatever you want to call them) games, but I've always felt that they get an undeservedly bad rap both gameplay and narrative-wise. It's a pretty good series overall. The first game and Chains of Olympus in particular do storytelling through gameplay much better than the vast majority of games out there, though I still like 3 the best because of how many more options you have in its combat & how much faster its combat is.
Also, Ascension's multiplayer was really fun and unique and the huge amount of content they added to it through free updates was very appreciable. It's just a shame that Poseidon characters and swords were so overpowered.
d03267 No.14845064
>>14828401
hello cuckchan, trying to fit in are we?
620166 No.14846516
>>14845064
Keep trying reddit.