e17995 No.14815150
Why aren't AAA devs creating games for low end PC's? I mean, graphical fidelity in 3D games has been sufficient in telling the details you need in order to convey the gameplay since 2003. Further attempts in enhancing the graphics wouldn't enhance the gameplay or add any new gameplay features, but instead it would only hurt the framerate. Plus, by making low end hardware friendly games, they'd be able to cut cost, lower the bargain price, and gain bigger audience from the third world nations. What's stopping devs from creating bigger rather than prettier games?
db3f1c No.14815160
AAAs are nearly all multiplat so they are specced to the current console. If they put any effort into the PC version you can turn down graphics settings to reduce GPU load but if you are still having issues it's probably due to CPU / RAM rather than the graphics.
Post a speccy and let us see what could be causing issues.
e17995 No.14815204
>>14815160
How could Quake 2 engine and 90's lucasarts games run so smooth while having such huge levels though? Isn't it mostly due to the less complex rendering techniques?
de9944 No.14815232
>What's stopping devs from creating bigger rather than prettier games?
severe lack of a talent
e17995 No.14815248
>>14815232
You don't need talent to create hueg games.
e6ac05 No.14815252
>>14815150
>Why aren't AAA devs creating games for low end PC's?
Trailers and optimization
a192c5 No.14815263
Poorfags who can't afford a nice PC got a console instead. They'll just pirate shit for their toaster.
e17995 No.14815267
>>14815263
My PC is cheaper than a console from last decade's gen tbh.
4553d0 No.14815268
>>14815248
lack of brain too
14c894 No.14815274
Three things:
- People who choose what games to play or not to play on the basis of graphics are fairly stupid, which is a trait that has always endeared them to the industry because it gives easier access to their wallets;
- There are already graphically lackluster but brilliant games out there, they are called old games, and any new game which didn't attempt to compete for the attention of the people mentioned above would instead have to compete for the attention of the people playing the old school stuff, who already have a giant backlog;
- Graphics aren't such a load on toasters as people might think, and it's entirely possible to make a game overall so poorly optimized that it will throttle and chug along even on machines that would've blown everything available in 2003 out of the water. Developers simply do not know how to make games anymore.
4a930f No.14815288
They do. Most of Blizzard's games can be played on toasters. And most ASSFAGGOTS can be played on an abacus.
Low end PC's have a hard time with multi-plat games because the dev's are too lazy or don't have enough time to properly optimize the game to work on shitty computers.
db3f1c No.14815293
>>14815204
Graphically polly count and texture size are the main difference along with post processing. As for CPU load you have much less detailed collision meshes, no physics and very few items or AI. Sure those levels were huge but the AI count was sub 50.
89e86a No.14815297
Recently I learned that a lot of western companies have a very stream lined process that they follow to the tee, where any kind of division or breakaway results in some very upset upper managment
So basically
>Game concept
>It's tested on ungo bongo's
>Ungo Bongo's want things to be shiny and neat
>Devs are forced to make it shiny and neat
also
>Devs are incompetent retards
>Never compress any of the files so every game is 50 gigs
97921f No.14815318
>>14815150
They are. Turn the graphics settings down from "Ultra" to "Low".
616a92 No.14815325
>Why aren't AAA devs creating games for low end PC's?
They are. They're called consoles.
e17995 No.14815354
>>14815318
I've turned on pixel doubling for Metro and the game still runs like shit.
bda2eb No.14815358
>>14815150
Because pretty graphics sell to normalfags better then good gameplay.
db3f1c No.14815360
>>14815354
Sounds like CPU rather than GPU, nothing can be done other than not playing AAA or building a new PC.
If it's that old you might be able to get an upgrade cheap by dropping a cheap GPU into an old office computer.
907674 No.14815371
If you can't afford newest jewest GPU chances are you won't even consider spending ANY money on a video game, pirating it instead.
It's no rocket science.
ba9aee No.14815380
Because they're in bed with part manufacturers and making a game run on low end machines requires effort and effort is money.
db3f1c No.14815395
>>14815380
You clearly weren't PCgaymen in the 90s and have no idea what you are talking about. Hardware has stagnated because games aren't pushing hardware anymore.
4f2ce3 No.14815398
>>14815150
Whay exacly counts as a low end PC these days? I'm curious about this. Which graphic cards/GPUs can draw the line between playing games that were released in the last 5 years (with a low but reasonable fps, all graphics settings off and with really horrible and muddy textures) and not running those games at all?
db3f1c No.14815404
>>14815398
My 670 was doing fine at medium setting / 1080p / 60fpd last year, I replaced it with a 1070 for 1440p @ 144fps.
e17995 No.14815406
>>14815274
>People who choose what games to play or not to play on the basis of graphics are fairly stupid
I observed from youtube comments that now people mostly care more about gameplay than graphics.
>they are called old games
And they still lack the gameplay elements that are added in modern games. Like, there are features in Fallout 4 that would improve Morrowind, and sim-like stuff in GTA V that would improve Vice City.
>>14815360
I know. I'm just complaining that Metro runs so much worse than CoD 2 despite having so many less enemy count. The AI isn't that advanced either, HL2 probably has better AI.
>>14815371
I just graduated high school (I'm 18 don't ban me), no job yet.
ba9aee No.14815409
>>14815406
>now people mostly care more about gameplay than graphics.
That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
2705e0 No.14815413
In a AAA game dev environment there's a concept known as Minimum Target Hardware or Minimum Target Specifications (MTH or MTS). You never hear about these things because this is mainly on the engine programming side of things and not the design team. Basically the engine programmers will send up the appropriate triangle and texture memory budgets to the design teams so they remain within an appropriate bracket for the hardware.
In the past this wasn't an exact science, but basically we would draw up current market trends and then order a hardware config based on that. There was 4 tiers of PC hardware targets, tier 1 was the current "high-end" for prosumer machines, tier 2 is the current mainstream config, tier 3 was the low-end, and finally tier 4 was the last-gens mainstream hardware config. It was figured this bracket was a safe bet for hardware targets.
A lot of people also might not realize Intel and Nvidias current naming schemes was greatly influenced by game developers because it simplified tier identification for hardware targets (ie. i3 for low-end mainstream, i5 for mid-range mainstream, i7 for high-end mainstream. GTX 960, 970, 980.etc).
As of this gen though, some devs are starting to use the Xbox One as the minimum target hardware that would otherwise have been tier 3/4 because the Xbone is the weakest of the current x86-64 based consoles so it greatly simplifies things. Last gen it was basically us optimizing for console dev kits and then mainstream PC targets
db3f1c No.14815425
>>14815413
Good point, also many old games had costume engines to limit overhead.
4f2ce3 No.14815429
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>>14815409
>That's just wrong no matter how you look at it
Care to elaborate? I think you need some balance between these two things; you can have the most amazing and groundbreaking gameplay of the last decade, but that doesn't give you free pass for a shitty optimization or leaving your files uncompressed and eating 95 GBs of your computer for no reason
>>14815406
>HL2 probably has better AI
34117b No.14815470
>Why aren't AAA devs creating games for low end PC's?
they are, look at stuff like fortnite and overwatch with make pretty low yield games and then mask it with a "stylish" design choice which keeps the game at a nice T rating and tricks reviewers into thinking it's quirky and fun.
907674 No.14815482
>>14815470
None of those are AAA games.
They are online grinders, that probably fall into AA stuff, with FN being f2p and OW not being full $60 title, without single player content each.
They basically compete with Warframe, not Call of Duty.
75bf8a No.14815539
The real question is why does Warframe look better than 90% of all games yet runs like butter on key toaster?
b01917 No.14815617
>>14815539
>Chat constantly disconnects, no real fix
>Enemies come out of thin air
>Enemy AI is retarded and just stares at the wall or runs around in circles
>Can hide behind a wall and shoot the enemy that cant shoot back
>Retarded piss easy missions
>Retarded hitbox means you can stand still and enemy's melee attack won't damage you
That's why
e17995 No.14815636
>>14815429
Good meme, but that guy there isn't supposed to move away until you get near. Also, it has nothing to do with the pathfinding.
>>14815413
We need to use Xbox360 or even PS2 again for our MTH then.
43de7d No.14815653
Because the entire industry is in bed with each other. If AAA games keep pushing hardware to its limits (these days more through lack of optimization than anything else) it means that people have to keep buying a fancy-dancy $1500 GPU every couple years and the newest dodeca-core CPU and 128GB of RAM. This equals more profit for everyone involved. Same reason why many internet sites struggle to load on even modern machines, when a version of the internet with practically equal functionality used to run on the computing power of what you can now get in pocket calculators. It's ALL connected.
e17995 No.14815707
>>14815395
So you just want to play tech demos?
87cb92 No.14815721
>>14815150
They are actually, ultra / very high settings are extremely overkill in terms of quality compared to 15 years ago.
30586f No.14815813
>>14815150
>Why aren't AAA devs creating games for low end PC's?
just get an alienware, brah. or a console.
what are you, poor?
f466ba No.14815818
inb4 that one buttblasted anon who defends P2W and calls anyone who disagrees a shitskin
b01917 No.14815841
>>14815818
ia that one buttblasted shitskin who thinks paying $50 for a decent mouse is p2w
31ed86 No.14815890
if you haven't spent money on a decent computer, odds are that you probably won't spend money on vidya either
it's just not profitable to go for the audience that doesn't buy your shit by default
that being said, there's no good reason to avoid optimizing shit
16f4fc No.14815923
>>14815890
If you haven't spent your fun cash on firearms, odds are you don't know where my caches.
I'm a bit self assumed and destructive.
I wonder what being a living sculptor feels like being in this day and age.
What do you think, young lady? How does it feel running from what is necessary?
db3f1c No.14816904
>>14815707
Todays tech demo is tomorrows standard feature. There were plenty of physics tech demos before HL2 implemented it in game and popularized it, now it's in everything. Call me crazy but I would like to see the same thing happen with soft body physics, fluid dynamics and terrain deformation.
Ever since Farcry I have wanted a FPS where you can throw a grenade at a car, bend the metal, shatter the windows, have fragments punch straight though and create a small crater in the road. I have been playing since pic related was amazing and I won't stop wanting more until it's hard to spot differences between the game and reality.
16f4fc No.14817084
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14816904
That was a pretty fun time, I miss hwen graphics cards came with crafted tech demos to show off the power of a GPU. Little babbies too little to appreciate or remember. Nope. I don't care for it.
16f4fc No.14817115
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
How do fairies even get work these days?
db3f1c No.14817145
>>14817084
Can you imagine an GPU manufacturer releasing this today? It would be a total shitshow of feminists and whiteknights crying masoggyknee. I miss the '90s.
e93019 No.14817331
>>14815150
"console parity"
30586f No.14817459
>>14817084
>>14817115
I like how for the time, this looks like top of the edge CG for computers and vidya, but now it looks like the those shitty CGI porns images.
a6eba9 No.14817466
the amount of stupidity in this thread makes me angry.
dd3fc6 No.14817579
>ctrl+f
>optimiz
>no results
God damn, this thread is full of niggers. Half of the games on the market today would work beautifully on low/medium-end machines if they were properly optimized. Major publishers are forcing their bullshit out so fast that the developers don't have time to, and nine times out of ten they don't have the experience to properly trim down memory requirements.
Look at Wolfenshit 2: The SJW Colossus. It was so horrifically unoptimized that machines within the minimum requirements could not play it. To my knowledge, it's still unplayable today. Thousands of people bought a game they could not play and got the same standard non-answer:
>lol check ur drivers fgt
Companies don't want to because it's about fucking money. It's not about cultivating an entertaining experience, it's about milking wallets for those last few cents and shaving a few bucks of overhead.
dd3fc6 No.14817586
>>14817579
Apparently I'm the faggot who managed to misspell optimize.
455e7a No.14817605
how many specs you optimize for = dev time
baseline of reasonable ~5-7 years of old hardware as minimum is good one
925925 No.14818804
>>14815150
Because most AAA devs these days can't create gameplay that stands on it's own so they use visuals & multiplayer as a crutch.
9a149a No.14818835
>>14815150
>graphical fidelity in 3D games has been sufficient in telling the details you need in order to convey the gameplay since 2003
Try since 1993 cuck.
e17995 No.14818974
>>14818804
>that pic
white bois smh
who even plays gba anymore when you can emulate it on android easily
>>14818835
>1993
3D games were barely able to render humans, textures, and environments, most couldn't do them all simultaneously, let alone having full 3D graphics with discernible looking small objects.
757109 No.14820453
>>14815150
<rather than prettier games
>Implying
6b028a No.14825344
>>14815232
Iwafune knew his shit when he hired people to make his work, or at least what he should've checked.
Also Ninja Theory with their D.M.C… Devil May Cry This is redundant, who the fuck thought this?
c9d790 No.14826103
>>14815371
I bought a new GPU this year and that left me so poor I've been pirating everything.
235eb7 No.14826131
Like others have said, consoles becoming more and more widespread.
In my shitty Eastern European country, like 15 years ago and more nobody outside of rich folks had consoles (not counting Russian/Chinese NES knockoffs) so we all just played pirated versions of contemporary games on our shit PCs. Since circa 2008-10 the society got wealther and now our casuals are almost indistinguishable from their Western European counterparts.
5fc9c5 No.14826134
>>14817084
we need more fairy games, tbh
73802e No.14826202
>>14815204
Quake 2 actually taxed systems when it came out.
73802e No.14826212
>>14815263
Calls console gamers poorfags while celebrating PC gamers who pirate?
Yep that's my /v/.
1efc6d No.14826437
>>14826212
Piracy is not about money anymore, it's about not giving money to cancerous numale devs you intellectually dishonest swine.
1efc6d No.14826438
>>14826437
*Not about HAVING money
a71510 No.14826937
>>14815150
Because
BUY OUR NEW HARDWARE TO PLAY OUR NEWEST UNOPTIMIZED LOOTBOX SIMULATION CLUTTERWARE, GOYIM. 7 DAY TRIAL PAID SUBSCRIPTION, MINERS, DIVERSITY PROPAGANDA, DATAMINING AND DRM INCLUDED.
efa15c No.14826986
>>14826437
If the devs are such abhorrent pieces of shit (we are in agreement there) why are you interested in their games in the first place? Sounds like an excuse to not pay for games
845254 No.14826989
>>14826437
Speak for yourself, I got bills to pay.
edc2a4 No.14826990
>>14826212
>gamer
>console
pick one
That's like saying everyone who does sport is an athlete.
e84a7f No.14827000
>>14817084
I'd hit that fairy.
4d55c0 No.14827044
It's just a pain in the ass maintaining multiple render backends and implementing workarounds for different GPUs, driver versions and OS editions.
e6365a No.14827053
Because bigger worlds and complex mechanics aren't safe to be advertised to the average joe. It's almost like you think gameplay mechanics are popular with normalfags or something.
>bigger third world audience
Besides AAAs not giving a shit about optimization, they'd have to set the bar very low even on CY+Whatever to get 3rd world niggers into that. Taking hardware kiketaxes in account and how many people would rather wait for some weeks/months before buying new games, AAA companies don't see any reason to cater to them as they don't eat shit on the same pace as the west.
Hell, even Europe gets jewed when it comes to PC parts. Console priced gayman PCs are an American dream.
b862f2 No.14827072
>>14815406
Ohhhhhh! Now I get it! You are fucking retarded.
b3edd6 No.14827129
>>14815150
Games are all poorly optimized either due to developer stupidity or due to developers accepting sums of money to optimize for a certain feature only available on high end parts.
>>14826986
I can understand people who pirate games because they hate the devs but want to play the game, or people who can't afford the game, or people who want to try it out. I can't understand people who pirate a game because they claim it's SJW propaganda. Why the fuck would someone identify something as SJW propaganda and say, "I still want that propaganda on my hard drive, but I'm not going to PAY for that propaganda!"
ce6f5a No.14829035
>>14827129
I'm guessing the only reason people would pirate an actual openly leftist progressive game is to take screenshots for the (you)s. No sane person would sit there and play something he knows is trying to warp his mind.
Most of the time people complain about SJW devs but still pirate their game is because the game itself is neutral; they get an okay game and they don't support someone who sits on twitter bowing to women or screaming about drumpf.
Ranting now, but it breaks my heart when any creator, actor, developer, artist, etc. feels the need to be openly political on twitter or their blog. The person is famous and looked up to for something completely unrelated to politics, but they shove it in there anyway.
It reminds me of Alex Hirsch's twitter (creator of the cartoon Gravity Falls); it would be a mix of cartoon stuff and leftist politics. An aspiring cartoonist politely asked Alex to leave out the politics; Alex was famous for cartooning and that's what people wanted to hear him talk about. Of course, Alex basically told the guy ITS MY TWITTER I DO WHAT I WANT UNFOLLOW IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
These people don't realize they have a responsibility as a famous creator to be somewhat of a role model for aspiring creators, and politics is the quickest way to piss people off.
e8549e No.14829051
000000 No.14832376
>>14829035
muh freeze peach
601c98 No.14840267
>>14815406
>I observed from youtube comments that now people mostly care more about gameplay than graphics.
lol youtube is garbage and the people who post in the comments on youtube are garbage garbos
e2eb0e No.14840277
>>14815150
Because people who don't buy a high end PC won't pay AAA prices either.
>>14815371
shit, you already beat me to it
a69e3c No.14840414
Because poor people don't buy games. And here i thought it was obvious…
a69e3c No.14840446
>>14826437
Agreed, my thoughts exactly.
559586 No.14840449
>>14840277
>>14840414
>if you don't spend money to get a high tier rig instead of a low to medium one,you don't have money or won't pay money for a good game suited to your lower specs
what the fuck is this logic? there's plenty of reasons to build a lower spec rig besides just lack of cash.
a69e3c No.14840471
>>14840449
Yes, and all of them are not related to playing games. At work I have a gtx 650 just to eventually use some program that needs at least a shitty vga to run faster, a I5 to run faster, a ssd and 4gb of RAM. That's totally, completely fine if I want to work. NOT to play games and whine because why the shitty game play like crap on that toaster…
4f042b No.14840488
>>14815263
Jokes on you faggot, my computer was cheaper than the latest meme console and it still runs every game on high settings.
559586 No.14840502
>>14840471
>and all of them are not related to playing games
that's absolutely incorrect and you know it,plenty of people build their rigs ahead of time knowing they'll be able to play at lower settings in "high fidelity" games and are fine with it,or work some config magic and still get decent frame rates.
If a game plays like crap on a mid tier system,it's because it's programmed like crap.
a69e3c No.14840532
>>14840502
exactly wich game you can’t play on full hd on custom high with a gtx 960? or you mean a gtx 760? Because 3 generation old is obviously too old to be called mid tier…However cpu side, even with a 6 year old I7 with a new vga you would stil be good to go even on ultra with the right vga…
a69e3c No.14840586
>>14840502
It goes like this +/-:
X80/X80TI- High End
X70- Budget High End = Usually tops the last X80 but not X80Ti
X60- Mid End = Usually tops the last X70
X50-Budget Mid End = Usually tops or at least is equal to the last X60
Below are low end. So in reality we have this right now: 1080Ti >1080 >980ti = 1070 >980 > 780Ti > 1060 = 970 > 780 > 960 > 770 = 680 = 1050 > 760… So, on the case of a 760 it's not even budget mid end, it became low end, so of course you can't play on high anymore. Of course it still depends on definition. But on the same def is more or less like this. You can still complain because people plan ahead, but for how long? 7xx series were released 5y ago… People graduate from college on this time frame yk…
a69e3c No.14840593
>>14840586
correction: 760 is still a little better than 1050, my bad… It should work fine on medium or some custom high on a proper def
a69e3c No.14840615
>>14840595
screwed lots of places, this is what happens when you post shit without checking. please delete…sorry…
dbc613 No.14840845
>>14826437
>Piracy is not about money anymore, it's about not giving money to cancerous numale devs (and kikes) you intellectually dishonest swine.
THIS
6afc4c No.14841412
>>14815150
John Carmack and friends actually knew how to program, op. Almost every new 'developer' is either some terrible artist or a web developer who figured out you can also copy and paste code snippets in UE4/Unity
cd34a9 No.14841579
This is probably the closest thing to an hardware thread
To anyone who still cares or remembers I was the anon that decided to test a bunch of drivers on a bunch of games with an old Nvidia card, I'm nearing completion in one of the sets of test I wanted to do so when I 'm done (just have to check a few things and write a small explanation to go with it) with that I'll post a torrent and regular filehost link (probably catbox or another pomf clone) here with both the results themselves at first then I 'll put out videos of the runs themselves (because that's gonna take fucking forever to seed that on my shit connection 80-100KBps upload for about 100GB of video so about two weeks but I'll have the torrent downloading on a seedbox at the same time so people don't have to run that shit 24/7)
72297a No.14841608
>>14840488
That is because you live in a 3rd world country. Count your blessings, you will never know the joy of 21% VAT.
72297a No.14841615
>>14826437
That's smart, I really hope you still buy the good games anon. Because when only normalfags pay for things…
72297a No.14841626
>>14827044
True,
>works on my machine
is a meme for a reason. Not even Microsoft manages to test for the thousands of different possible configurations that are out in the wild.
52b262 No.14841632
the problem is games that arent natively made builds but outsourced to other companies, thus they run like ass
4f042b No.14841641
>>14841608
>you live in a 3rd world country
>implying
Things haven't gotten that bad, yet.
cd34a9 No.14842913
>>14841579
And here it is
The results
https://files.catbox.moe/xf49jw.zip
A magnet
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:a3ufusyhu4jqdpkd3y2n2nlby2qettic&dn=Results%209800GT.zip
and a torrent in case the magnet doesn't work for some reason
https://files.catbox.moe/ky6k4b.torrent