9c294d No.14811011
Remember these things? They were pushed hard for like a month a few years ago. Valve talking big about how they aren't even competing with sony/nintendo/microsoft but competing with amazon and apple. They just disappeared. I think you can get a good idea of how many people actually use these things by looking at the adoption rate of steamOS on Steam and see that it's almost nobody.
I just think it's funny, people were calling these the killing blow of consoles. Seems like even Valve wants to disassociate with these things ever existing. What did you think of Steam Machines? Did you think they were gonna be a revolution or were you unsure from the beginning? I think once they first started announcing the products and their price tags, they were doomed.
8cce5a No.14811030
>>14811011
Wasn't steamOS basically linux? Wasn't the problem that a lot of things didn't ruin on these things? The pricing was high too if I remember correctly.
9c294d No.14811058
>>14811030
Yes. People thought it was going to be a more affordable way to get into PC gaming, especially without the need for a windows license. Then the first Steam Machines hit the store and they're in the 1000 dollar range really helping the image that PC gaming can be cheap and affordable while still being viable. Valve doesn't seem to realize that you have to force some monetary encouragement to get success going with platforms like Linux, you need to flat out get some people working on porting things so more people care, more people switch, and a feedback cycle gets started. They just ported their games and said "see, we can do it? Now everyone else should too."
997020 No.14811069
The problem was that Valve put the future of this pseudo-platform in the hands of the companies who were selling overpriced GAYMER configurations, as if they would undercut themselves willingly. If they wanted to ape Apple they should've made them in house with fixed hardware, actually deliver on a gaming-orientated Linux distro and subsidize companies to create ports with the selling point of guaranteed compatibility and potentially improved performance.
As it was announced, it was never going to work. If for no other reason than Valve's inability to actually focus and follow through on their shit which has plagued the company for a decade.
1a016e No.14811083
>everyone already has a PC
>let's sell a crippled PC who only plays PC games in low-res
>no exclusives
>more expensive than a console
What a great idea, where do I buy them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTeFM3MMn8
8cce5a No.14811120
>>14811083
>>14811058
Another thing is that you could build a smaller pc for a long time and if you feel like it use it as an entertainment system for the living room. This was hardly a revolutionary idea and everyone who wanted this probably built a more cost efficient one on their own. To lure normalfags in you'd really have to make it much more comfortable and easy and also get some good exclusives.
58bffe No.14811123
The issue was two fold:
1) Who the fuck was the target market? Console peasents that couldn't into PC? They are motivated by exclusives and would have no interest.
2) Multipul 3rd party wardware supplies, the general public are useless with technology so need limited choice to not be overwelmed. They needed a single manufacturer that made 3 systems (low , mid, high).
c80abb No.14811145
Remember Big Picture Mode?
Remember streaming videos and music via Steam?
Remember Greenlight?
The whole thing has become a container for deprecated failed experiments by Valve.
7e9ed2 No.14811197
>>14811089
I remember the OnLive guy going on about how they were going to revolutionize internet speeds with some sort of radio-based magic.
e2076f No.14811207
Nothing is revolutionary.
"Revolution" in business is just a buzz word use to try to force idiots to adopt untested (and usually failed) products or services.
All past "revolutions" in business were possible only because of rampant disinformation, favoring companies.
Nowadays, everyone can be quickly informed of the scams that those companies are trying to sell disguised as products or services, and quickly avoid them all.
There is no revolution in business.
9c294d No.14811221
>>14811145
Even their games are like this with TF2 being a shell of its former self thanks to Valve treating the platform as a dumping ground for bad ideas and the players as guinea pigs
>>14811207
k
110436 No.14811229
I have one, playing Crysis 3 with a controller right now. Earlier I was emulating Initial D 8 in Teknoparrot using my wheel chair. Its awesome. Hating on these is just a meme.
e017af No.14811238
>>14811197
don't you know anon?
Cloud Gaming is the future:^)
68b6dc No.14811240
>>14811229
Doesn't matter when they sold like poop
929359 No.14811270
>>14811011
>Pushed hard
I saw more shitposts about it on /v/ than any official mention of them. I'm not sure I even noticed any official release.
db5278 No.14811287
>pushed hard
At most, I've only seen 2 reviews about it until it went under the radar
9090e9 No.14811309
>>14811011
Being pushed would imply that it was a cohesive effort but with only gaymer brand shit companies all pushing different glorified lightshows it never had the chance of being precieved as some low effort PC gaming alternative.
8f055e No.14811310
>>14811089
The shield at least runs Dolphin.
f3948a No.14811420
That's because even by linux distro standards steamOS was shitty.
f3948a No.14811424
Bonus, Valve went back on letting people buy them woth steam wallet money after getting caught not actually being able to back up steam wallet purchases.
1426b3 No.14811471
>>14811011
No point in those things since the day 1.
>>14811089
>onlive
Imagine having input lag of 100ms in singleplayer games.
>ouya
no gaems, not to mention they all would have to be gimmicks because shit hardware
>tegra
no gaems
09aecb No.14811503
>>14811471
but tegra has odyssey :^)
3d1a30 No.14811536
>>14811089
Post ouya chan please
e65bd0 No.14811546
>steam machine
>doesn't emit water vapor
be22b7 No.14811679
>steam machine
>not smoke machine
Wasted chance tbh.
758691 No.14811767
It's not quite Ouya-tier regret, but it's still a disappointment.
t. has a steam controller but not a steam machine thank God
b861a5 No.14811796
>>14811546
>wanting a vape console
29c0d3 No.14811815
I remember. Don't know why you think they were worth a thread, though. Valve bet on the stupid idea that people would either switch from consoles to Steam boxes, or from PCs to Steam boxes, or that we don't live in market that is nearly mature. Kids nowadays seem more likely to interested in seeing inane crap on YT than playing video games, consolefags are waiting for their new version of whatever they have and PC fuckos just aren't going to drop money on something that they can probably assemble themselves.
2b77d6 No.14811818
>>14811767
The steam controller is no joke the least pleasent controller I've ever used. I fucking hate that I fell for that meme.
be22b7 No.14811825
>>14811818
What games was it designed for anyway ? Because it sure as fuck wasn't fighters.
c80abb No.14811835
>>14811825
Peripherals aren't designed "for games", they are designed to appeal to a certain audience. You know the type.
03e76a No.14811849
Please excuse any technical inaccuracies here but this is my understanding.
Apple successfully sorted out UNIX enough to make iOS OpenGL performance good enough so that the iPhone would be decent but they had something very important that Valve does not: actual programmers. That's why SteamOS was so slow. Windows may be complete shit but you have to understand Linux is even worse. Linux graphics and media performance in general is absolutely crippled. You can blame who you like (manufacturers, drivers, SJW infestation, Torvalds not caring about graphics, etc) but at the end of the day Apple got it to work and Valve didn't. Without a good OS obviously the Steam Machine concept was dead on arrival.
fd708e No.14811856
>>14811815
I think Valve were trying to set up SteamOS to have an install base and be an alternative of Windows 10 since Microsoft were rolling out their walled-garden Windows Store nonsense. They botched it and nobody bought a Steam Machine or used SteamOS, but Microsoft fucked up the Windows Store to be basically unusable anyway.
2b77d6 No.14811860
>>14811825
Well it isn't first person games either, at all, nor fighters, nor driving games, nor… well, anything, hence why it was the worst 50 dollars I've ever spent. That touch pad is complete garbage.
758691 No.14811868
>>14811818
It's not horrible, but it's not great. I like to play CrossCode with it.
be22b7 No.14811916
>>14811849
Linuxfags take a type of pride in playing less games and using virtual machines to pull off old windows games.
Why would a linuxfag ditch his 100 distributions, to go for a casual one ?
The very idea was retarded.
5d61c4 No.14811930
>>14811818
>falls for memes
>posts a pic of board kike
It's like pottery.
de5d20 No.14811981
>>14811825
It was designed to supplement your typical gamepad in an HTPC setup, not replace it. Essentially, it was supposed to make games designed to be played with an M/KB playable from a couch setup without actually having to use an M/KB. It was never designed to compete with proper standalone gamepads for titles designed to be played with gamepads, and thus it holds zero utility for someone sitting at their desk since you've already got an M/KB and you SHOULD already have a better gamepad.
9090e9 No.14811985
>>14811849
Your understanding is pretty shit then, while Linux and the GNU utils have a problem with cruft they don't usually prevent you from getting the desired performance out of your hardware. Metro, Deus ex MD and nuHitman all run on linux.
I think you also need to account for the amount of work companies like AMD and nvidia put into their drivers on windows regarding games, I think nvidia calls it "game ready" or something but it essentially entails working around bullshit made by game devs to achieve good performance. For obvious reasons that work is likely not put into the linux drivers so you can end up with a degraded experience.
60ac70 No.14812008
>>14811058
I seriously don't get why valve didn't try pushing for developers to start using steamos/linux more.
Had they actually gotten developers, the whole idea wouldn't have died so quickly.
de5d20 No.14812026
>>14812008
That would have been far too large of an investment to risk on an obviously bad idea. Instead, they let the hardware manufacturers do their thing, did some licensing deals, and whipped up a linux distro. Very little sunk cost on their end.
8f60ff No.14812082
>>14812008
> I seriously don't get why valve didn't try pushing for developers to start using steamos/linux more.
Valve got exactly what they wanted from Steam machines and SteamOS.
It was a shot across the bow at Microsoft, who had been making moves towards making Windows a walled-garden store where all apps had to go through the MS store.
Microsoft relented on that idea (but still put it forward, I guarantee they will try it again now that the public has had a taste of it) and so Valve eased up, but they were heard loud and clear: If you fuck with us on Windows, we will simply go elsewhere, and we'll take gamers with us. The minute Windows loses gamers, they lose the enthusiast market. That market is huge, not just because of PC gaming itself, but because of the people who handle IT at home. If every home becomes familiar with Linux because the gamer in the family is used to it now because that's where the games are, Windows goes in to freefall and becomes solely reliant on enterprise, and even then Microsoft itself uses Linux to handle servers and shit for Azure.
67a32a No.14812093
>>14811825
>Because it sure as fuck wasn't fighters
>playing fighting games on gamepad
Hello retard
548ea6 No.14812261
>>14811197
I thought we were "running out of internet in the air".
54a6f3 No.14812265
>>14811089
>remember
I still want new Nvidia Shield.
>>14811990
Please no more or I will feel sorry for that damn console again.
03e76a No.14812329
>>14811916
It doesn't matter what linuxfags think. They can keep doing whatever they want. The main steam machine market would have been windows users.
>>14811985
As I said, regardless of the reasons SteamOS is significantly slower than windows. That is the reality setting aside excuses. Apple made iOS fast enough by any means necessary, Valve did not and so failed.
>>14812082
I'll add that microsoft is rapidly losing the developer audience across the board in markets that are many times bigger than games. I think many people would argue developers are even more important than the enthusiasts. Microsoft are not doing this on purpose but because they are incompetent. It led to the failure of their phone for example and it's very hard to claim that was a deliberate act of self sabotage. After so many failures and destroying all developer trust they've given up on all of their APIs and now push PWAs (which are basically just websites with an offline mode). PWAs work on any web browser, making windows obselete. Of course in real life PWAs are a useless platform for many types of program and games and so obviously will fail just like every microsoft bullshit platform.
For that reason it doesn't make sense that they'd deliberately make their store bad as some people claim. I think the reason why Valve also failed is because they're incompetent too. They simply do not employee anyone who you could reasonably describe as a programmer. It's all diversity hires and has been that way for years.
ec9539 No.14812335
Did more people buy or play Ouya or Steam Machines?
e79d8e No.14812338
>>14811058
>Valve doesn't seem to realize that you have to force some monetary encouragement to get success going with platforms like Linux, you need to flat out get some people working on porting things so more people care, more people switch, and a feedback cycle gets started. They just ported their games and said "see, we can do it? Now everyone else should too."
Yuuup.
>>14811069
>If they wanted to ape Apple they should've made them in house with fixed hardware, actually deliver on a gaming-orientated Linux distro and subsidize companies to create ports with the selling point of guaranteed compatibility and potentially improved performance.
Fucking hell, this.
>>14811767
>>14811818
I returned my Steam Controller and fucking will never, ever look back. Garbage.
>>14811849
Valve proved Linux gaming was possible with the Source game engine. I game in Linux and as long as you're willing to forego the Windows exclusives (which in the chicken and egg cycle we're in right now is significant) the experience has improved dramatically in just the last year or two.
>Linux graphics and media performance in general is absolutely crippled.
What the fuck are you even on about?
>>14811856
Yep.
>>14811916
Yuuup.
>>14812008
It could have been a genuine viral thing, had they not fucked it up royally.
DEAR VALVE: HALF LIFE 3, STEAM OS EXCLUSIVE. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE YOU NERDS
9090e9 No.14812813
>>14812329
Never used SteamOS but have never heard that it is significantly slower than windows.
Setting aside any "excuses" is ignoring the reality though that the problem lies with Valve not being able to follow through on anything rather than blaming the hardware or software
554b07 No.14812938
Valve did the same thing with that weird controller they had years ago. They just memory holed it and hoped people would forget (which they did). Also, holy fuck was that image was hard to find if you don't know the name. It's not even mentioned on their Wikipedia article.
848120 No.14812970
>>14811011
My understanding is that Valve is trying to put themselves at the same level that Microsoft and Apple.That explains the push for hardware and why they try to make Linux more important. They just want to kill Microsoft, their greatest enemy.
cec707 No.14813002
>>14812938
The fuck is that supposed to be?
f83b75 No.14813020
>>14811849
If you're not going to post the bulge I will
554b07 No.14813028
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>>14813002
A novint falcon.
65f303 No.14813093
>>14812329
>because they are incompetent
Fun fact: Microsoft is becoming a Indian company demographically. You know what Indians are famous for? Only hiring other Indians whanever they can, their open ethnic nepotism gives the (((Eskimos))) a run for their money.
b36eb2 No.14813216
>>14811849
>>14812329
>SteamOS is significantly slower than windows
>Apple made iOS fast enough by any means necessary
Nigger, Apple's OpenGL drivers are infamously terrible and outdated: have you missed the countless benchmarks and blogposts of developers bitching? They're never getting fixed either because Apple is using their crappy OpenGL driver to push Metal, which nobody wants otherwise.
>Linux graphics and media performance in general is absolutely crippled
Now you're either lying or several years out of date. Nvidia's OpenGL drivers use the same codebase as their Windows OpenGL drivers and the open source AMD and Intel OpenGL drivers are leagues ahead of their respective Windows OpenGL drivers, not to mention Apple's godawful drivers. The only reason certain ports run slower on Linux these days is third-party porting companies like Feral Interactive and Virtual Interactive using Direct3D to OpenGL/Vulkan translation layers in AA or AAA ports. Ports done by individuals or the same developers usually port the renderer to OpenGl or Vulkan and routinely get the same performance as Windows, sometimes better depending on the port or CPU governor in use.
t. someone who used to bemoan Linux's lousy graphics drivers before things got really good
0c73b6 No.14813221
>>14813020
Wasn't there a video with that guy?
93aec9 No.14813247
>>14811089
I don't need to.
because I still have mine
had the shield tablet too
0c73b6 No.14813250
>>14813247
You gave her a home when no one else would,you're a good person anon.
975b70 No.14813255
>>14811089
>Third Picture
But the Switch is selling pretty well, anon!
93aec9 No.14813316
>>14813250
She's actually pretty good if you think of her as an upgraded modded Xbox which is why I got it. The OG Xbox can't do x264 without a media server transcoding, USB controllers, or stream games from a PC.
0f12dd No.14813346
>>14811030
Yes, weird way to try to sell a PC-console. I kinda want to buy one now, for 100 bucks on ebay.
I Would buy old, tier1, or , something, one just for research, to figure out how they were going to do the "upgrades", remember that?
How to do upgrades? On a PC-Console Frankensteined to seem like a console.
How
To
Upgrade
A steam console
We will never know now
Maybe better this ways, some thing are better left dead, better dead and forgoten.
MP4. Not related..
ea7f46 No.14813427
specialized hardware is why steambox lost, you just cant compete with specific chips designed for balance of power and cost savings
somehow everyone forgot that xbox and playstation latest offerings operated for entire year in loss until it started paying off
how are random companies who just use off the shelf parts supposed to compete
e05f1a No.14813470
>>14813346
This is why men look better then women.
Men normally haven't used cosmetics to enhance their looks which allows natural selection to occur for physical appearance.
Women for almost all of human history have been disguising their looks through makeup.
Even makeup never existed I imagine there would be 2d levels of perfection.
64c497 No.14813553
>>14813427
Hello sonygger.
>specialized hardware is why steambox lost, you just cant compete with specific chips designed for balance of power and cost savings
They are AMD laptop APUs from 2012.
>somehow everyone forgot that xbox and playstation latest offerings operated for entire year in loss until it started paying off
Wrong, this generation is cheap off the shelf x86 trash, or arm for nintendo.
>how are random companies who just use off the shelf parts supposed to compete
Again, this is exactly what the 3 are doing. Valve did not spend nearly as much as them on shilling it and bribing developers to lock their games to their DRM brick. >>>/reddit/
92d40f No.14813625
>>14813346
>tfw no desktop verson of the program
64c497 No.14813674
>>14813625
>wanting proprietary software that datamines you
df1542 No.14813730
I had really hoped that Steam could finally usher in the year of the Linux Desktop by getting major game devs to always publish a version for SteamOS. It would have arrived just in time to save us from the cancer that is Windows 10.
e47c74 No.14813735
>>14811011
What is most terrible about this is how locked up the hardware is on all these machines. You can buy a steam link for like $10 and if you could unlock its processor it'd be a real nice mini-server.
UNLOCK YOUR HARDWARE VALVE!
Instead I've only heard stories of bricking it when trying to go past the original software. Valve could have been so cool with their software like they had with the Source Engine, once upon a time. But times have changed.
0f12dd No.14813864
>>14813735
You can do anything with hardware already. I run a 10-year old overclocked shit-rig, and it werks like a charm - even for gaming.
Your pic is great though. It's like a PC-console, you just get the absolute worst of both. Buy now, and get a free steam controller! That fucks all your setups up for other controllers.
9c294d No.14813889
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>>14813028
They also did sixense. They went as far as to say "the wii mote was supposed to be the light saber for games. The sixense is the light saber for games." Valve is so fucked.
ae3ecf No.14814094
>>14811197
They were going to use Tachyons.
60ac70 No.14814205
>>14812329
>SteamOS is significantly slower than windows
hello, i'd like to ask for proofs.
234106 No.14814610
>>14812329
>I think the reason why Valve also failed is because they're incompetent too. They simply do not employee anyone who you could reasonably describe as a programmer.
If the shit they wrote in their handbook is still relevant, then they basically only hire managers who dabble in programming/art/whatever. That would certainly explain why everything at Valve either flops or never gets done, because everyone's off working on their own pet projects without having any skills needed to actually get anywhere. At this point if Valve didn't have Steam making them free money and subsidizing all of their bullshit they probably would have gone out of business years ago.
d9892b No.14814655
>>14812970
No.
The only reason why Steam Machines became a thing was because Microsoft was going to change the way their app store worked for Windows 10 and the language used implied that it was going to disallow any other forms of downloading applications (read: Steam) from their store. To avoid this, Valve decided to start revving up SteamOS production and shill for these Steam Machines, but then once people realized that Microsoft wasn't actually going to ban any other program from allowing you to purchase shit no one bothered developing Steam Machines any further. What made things worse, and what ultimately killed any momentum that SteamOS/Steam Machines had, is the way Valve works internally, allowing developers to freely work on whatever projects they felt like working on. Without a routine development cycle things get worked on too slowly to actually solve any issues that had occurred for people who bought Steam Machines, making people rightfully calling these console-killers shit, and no reason to work on them further.
287e0c No.14814668
>>14813316
Techically, the OG xbox can do regular controllers.
You have to mod the port though.
b1b5e7 No.14816081
IIRC they were used to pressure Microsoft into giving them something they want. It was years back but if all of a sudden the king of digital store front launched a gaming only PC with its own operating system and a business partnership with a direct competitor you would give them something to abandon that partnership and product.
205b71 No.14816231
>>14811011
Steam Machines were ambitious but were bound to fail for many reasons
>Very few developers targeting Linux, build quality suffering as a result
>graphics card performance is much poorer accross the board for many titles depending on architecture and maker
>Forking Ubuntu requires Valve to constantly clean up Canonical's mess
>No manufacturer or OS vendor incentives for suppliers
>Enthusiasts, who are the first to adopt such products are already able to download SteamOS and install on their computers for free anyways
6b750f No.14816237
>>14813255
Because Nintendo is actually competent and has two lineups. One with new shit and one from the Wii U nobody bought they can cannibalize for a few years.
205b71 No.14816435
>>14816081
This actually makes sense, from a posturing standpoint, Gabe was signaling that he was willing and able to replace Windows if Microsoft kept pushing their W10+Steam Store exclusive shit
205b71 No.14816437
>>14816435
*+Microsoft Store
d255ea No.14816518
>>14816044
>liking traps
what a waste of dubs
bd6ab9 No.14816626
>>14811089
>OnLive
Bad idea that begat the cancer of cloud game streaming that will probably cause the true death of video games.
>Ouya
A shitty cell phone in a box people didn't realize they never wanted until they had their hands on it.
>Nvidia Shield
Actually not a bad piece of hardware. Was basically the benchmark of handheld homebrew/emulation stuff until the GPD Win came along.
df93c3 No.14816730
The underlying concept of the Steam Machine was never a bad idea, it was just the execution that was terrible. Unless Valve really pushed developers to bring out more Linux ports, why would people want to switch? It could've been as simple as reducing the cut Steam takes from every sale per Linux title that is put on Steam, which would've assuaged developers' qualms with the little market share.
Unless you have an ecosystem from which your hardware can build a platform, there's no reason for anyone to give it a fighting chance–especially the console crowd that Steam Machines were clearly more suited for.
At the very least they succeeded in driving more development towards Linux. Things are miles away better than they were even only five years ago, so Valve's plan certainly wasn't a failure by any stretch.
f71092 No.14816789
The problem was, for the price they were going for, you could build an actual PC rather than having this piece of shit PC that only plays Steam games and pretends to be like a console.
601964 No.14817113
>>14811089
>Ouya
I remember when my college's game dev program was all over this shit, thinking it would be the next big thing. Even managed to get $10,000+ for a Kickstarter project to make a game on it. The game did about as well as the OUYA itself did.
b1b5e7 No.14817216
>>14816789
I would have made better sense if they just made a steam brand PC case. Steam OS would have been icing on the cake since you would have saved on the windows license since you would only use it to game.
1a016e No.14817253
>>14816231
>ambitious
It was literally a branded PC made by someone else, they just had Steam name on it + lunix with Steam name on it. Nigger, stop sucking valve dick.
b1b5e7 No.14817309
>>14817216
FUck me, I just read that back. I should really sleep
babde7 No.14817337
>>14811270
>>14811287
please use archive.is and Reddit really pushed this shit when it was new.
babde7 No.14817350
>>14811270
>>14811287
Sorry, cuckchan censored my post. P C Gamer and Reddit really pushed this shit when it was new. The Steam Machines didn't even specify what graphics cards they had, yet people were insisting that Steam Machines were more powerful than PCs.
59f047 No.14817423
>>14811058
>Valve doesn't seem to realize that you have to force some monetary encouragement to get success going with platforms
They missed the memo about selling hardware at a loss just to get the units out there to make the profits on the software.
Literally console history 101. Of course, the problem with doing that with a PC platform is eating the loss on high end hardware (the biggest reason to have a PC). All other contenders in the "non-PC derived" console arena use substandard hardware to hedge their losses on moving the platform.
Finally, I was never convinced Valve or any other PC-console could secure 1st and 3rd party licensing like Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft and at before Sega exited them too.
58502d No.14817526
Alright dumbfucks, let me break this down for you:
Valve NEVER intended to actually compete with Windows:. In 2013 using Linux meant being stuck with OpenGL, which was absolute garbage even then because all the rendering is stuck on ONE core (this is even worse than D3D). There was no universal package format, and that meant they had to make a shitty runtime out of a bunch of libs from a version of Linux from 2012. Which is STILL in use today… There were a LOT of practical problems with using Linux as a gaming OS; some have been sorted (universal packages, Vulkan) and some haven't (glibc breaking shit because they feel like it).
SteamOS and Valves Linux push was nothing more than Valve autistically yelling "quit it" to MS when it looked like they were going to go full-on walled garden.
58502d No.14817533
>>14817526
That said, Linux serves its purpose for PC gaming by acting as both a life raft for us and a warning to MS.
148a72 No.14817622
>>14817533
Android is a Linux distro, so there's also that route to take.
82fccf No.14817752
>>14817622
Eh, I would rather count ChromeOS as Linux than Android, the latter even being moved of the Linux Kernel going by google announcment a while back.
As >>14817533 said it actually sits at an okay spot right now with enough compatibility either by devs simply porting their stuff or wine doing the trick that those who want to can indeed play on it but not so popular that the vultures descent on Linux which they btw are already trying to do in the professional sectors.
After all the Steam Link does what it's supposed to do pretty well and that solution beats the Steam Machine in most use cases because as often said in this thread the market that would be enthusiast enough to go for this kinda stuff likely already has a PC.
Though out of morbid curiosity I would like to imagine what it would look like if Linux found mainstream adoption and all the gaymer brands decided to roll their on l33t themed distro
ea7f46 No.14817770
have you heard the good news
theres something called DXVK under constant rigorous development
it makes DX11 games run under fucking VULKAN in LINUX
it already supports most of the titles
a single weeb has managed to crank this out on their spare time
personally i think, the future is very bright friends
81bd8d No.14817786
>>14817423
I dont think the pc but as a console could ever work considering how absurdly complicated the licensing would be and for new hardware to be officially supported for any meaningful length of time. The biggest appeal in a console is a wide variety in the library and a very inexpensive entry fee.
280344 No.14817998
>>14817770
That sounds pretty cool.
58502d No.14818347
>>14817622
Android is even less suitable than GNU/Linux. Like I said, it's come a long way. We have a life raft now. And we can keep improving it in case the ship (Windows) ever springs a leak.
555fed No.14818836
>>14816518
Show me where you are hiding the boypussy or the fat hate merchant get's it….
174085 No.14818902
>>14811011
MS PR mentions that their X One X has optimized hardware stucture(?) or something like that. If Valve done something like that with steambox that would be great, but all they did is just made small PC.
SteamOS from rumors had some benefits over original Linux, but it was worth the effort, so they canned it.
And Valve can't into releasing finished products anymore. Technologies they create are and will help PC gaming, but it's only about tech, not products. Controllers API which supports xbox ps4 and switch pro controllers for example. SteamVR which works not only with Vive.
And for the opposite Steam controller where theit first version wasn't that great, and Vive which HTC pushed to release. Both sucks. At least Valve didn't pushed first steampad into production and tuned it before it.
174085 No.14818938
>>14811145
Big picture was canned or just not publically updated before they push steam redesign with Panorama UI framework on board (which Big Picture uses).
They will release an app for streaming videos on mobile diveses. Not that it will change video streaming on PC.
Greenlight is an unnecessary extra step, really. Making garbage games non profitable is a right way really. Too bad they can't test the system on their own without users. And in short terms users are suffering.
f9d279 No.14819572
>>14817216
>dynasty scans
ah fuck that makes me remember when i was just starting to into doujinshi
1bf0ee No.14823369
>>14811030
>basically linux
It was a GNU+Linux distribution.
1bf0ee No.14823377
>>14812261
That was an actual issue at one point due to the explosion of mobile devices, but it has since been circumvented. It never would have affected home connections anyway, because that traffic goes through wire, not air. It was only an issue for mobile/satellite connections because there was a sudden massive exponential growth in the amount of mobile devices streaming video and shit and we didn't really have systems in place that were prepared for that.
19d2c2 No.14823413
are they steam box cheap?
can you install free as in freedom OS?
1b84ed No.14824837
They might have actually made a dent with those things if they hadn't partnered with Alienware for brand recognition and had a customized OS that - while defaulting to the ease of use (and completely locked down) nature of consoles, would also allow you to enter advanced administration mode that opened the machine wide up like a normal PC.
That wouldn't have solved the problem of being Linux based - therefore no games, but if they'd have custom built their own OS formatted for a TV and offering ease of use and then stuck with it for a generation or two (maybe even made some of their own games exclusive to PC/Steam Link) then they could have built a userbase.
The real reason why Gabe gave up on it, is because Steam Machines were meant to be an alternative to Microsoft's attempt at building their own "App Store" and locking down programs with UWP and DX12. By the time it was apparent that Steam Machines weren't working and would need significant additional investment to salvage - UWP was already being relegated to little more than mobile-app on PC porting and the MS store/Xbox One such a dumpster fire that MS was forced to release their UWP games on Steam just to get a few sales.
Gabe was scared of the hype and big promotional talk that Microsoft might actually be competent in their machinations, but being modern Microsoft, they were not.
58502d No.14829791
>>14824837
To be fair, Linux has more games than any of the Consoles now. And it has more performance potential than OSX thanks to Vulkan. Even Metal 2 isn't as low-level as Vulkan or DX12.
11d744 No.14834075
>>14813674
>tfw no open-source desktop version of the program
89c17c No.14834746
>>14811089
ouya controller looks pretty comfy, I wonder if it works with anything besides the ouya
d6f9d4 No.14834757
>>14834746
they feel like absolute shit.
de5d20 No.14835173
>>14834757
comfy is a code word for shit, so yeah that sounds about right.
1b84ed No.14835899
>>14829791
>To be fair, Linux has more games than any of the Consoles now.
Good games, maybe, but not games that would appeal to the masses - which you kind of need, because a handful of autists and pirates makes for an anemic fucking userbase.