60db91 No.14774157
>No stupid rotations
>No fucking items levels
>No rainbow of ridiculous looking mounts
>No fucked story and lore
>No more corridor story dungeons and raids
>No LFR
>No automatic loot system
Who else is excited
a44595 No.14774170
>>14774157
>No fucking items levels
Item level was always a thing, even in vanilla. Its just it wasn't visible back then.
598bf5 No.14774189
I won’t believe it’s not chucked till it comes out. So I’ll have to call to a fag and calm down till it releases with no changes down the line.
6c9b0b No.14774227
Post when you have a release date or at least more information on how bad Blizzard will fuck it up.
9cc86a No.14774291
>>14774157
The thing is that old community isn't ever coming back. So fuck off shill
571fd0 No.14774346
>>14774291
Pretty much this. We all want to go back but it is not going to happen. That unknown horizon is now all but known, everybody knows where Mankriks wife is, best strat/meta for MC, etc. No more sense or joy of discovery, wonders, and shit.
fdc150 No.14774433
>if your class has a healer spec, you have to heal endgame
>soulshard/ammobags
Yeah no thanks. Although I kinda miss the coordinated autism of Scarab Wall opening and aq/naxx, prepping all those different resist armors once was enough.
Also no goatsluts.
f51abd No.14774438
there probably won't be any real new information on it until blizzcon
and don't forget:
>actual talent trees
>somewhat difficult levelling
>gold actually meaning something
>attaining the maximum level actually meaning something
>no arena balance
>no 10 man raid balance
>epics actually mean something, at least early on
>legendaries are extremely rare, like they should be
>no "cinematic experience"
>no built-in quest helper treating you like a retard
>hunters have limited ammo again
5a50f5 No.14774458
>giving money to Blizzard because they're desperate
How's about you grow a fucking pair and show some consumer integrity
9a32c3 No.14774468
I played on feenix servers and on Elysium's zeth'kur, looking forward to mindlessly grind on the most boring class alongside a couple of buddies
75844e No.14774479
I'll definitely be playing as long as Blizzard doesn't add any more kosher cancerous elements to ruin it other than a monthly subscription.
803749 No.14774492
>>14774157
Get out now. We don't need another wow thread.
7006ec No.14774771
You can never go back because the community was as much a part of the experience as the game itself and they're gone.
WoW classic predated reddit, tumblr, the turd world playing subscription MMOs, current year, SJWs, youtoobers, and niggers and poor people owning gaming PCs. Think of who you'll be playing with. Think before you give nuBlizzard money for that experience.
5ef2b8 No.14774786
>No LFR
so what about this is good exactly?
1d696b No.14774971
>>14774157
>no poopsock community in my server since they all migrated to the latest Blizzard trash
YES YES YES
307f48 No.14775091
>>14774786
No faggots like you.
307f48 No.14775095
>>14774771
>implying any of those people will last more than a week.
cd3e96 No.14775106
Now, see, you're excited because you are very stupid. This is because you were a WoWfag back when you were 12, and the idea of being 12 again is still appealing to, as you are very stupid. But me? I wasn't a WoWfag. I had better games to play. So when I see this, I know better than to suck Blizzards cock and give them money for something they should have given anyways. Because I am not a stupid person, and certainly not enough of a cuck to give Blizzard anything.
So have fun, Burchboy. Have fun playing with your Redditors and fags from cuck/v/. The rest of the world is going to be just fine.
db8562 No.14775135
>>14775106
goddamn bud are you trying way too hard or what
fdc150 No.14775262
>>14775106
Ares looks like non-midget Peter Dinklage from an alternate universe
6f7e32 No.14775347
>>14774157
Haven't you already played enough? Jesus fuck who here actually still wants to play WoW? Anyone who liked the game already has clocked a few thousand hours and should have moved on by now.
df37ba No.14775361
>giving money to the company that mercilessly tortured and killed their game over a long arduous period of time
>giving them money when they realize "oh shit we fucked up, no one wants to play the game we destroyed" and go for the cash grab nostalgia server
They deserve death, nothing less. I bet you're the caliber of faggot who payed Jagex for the same reason.
3f0f11 No.14776826
>>14774157
>2018
>still playing wow
a6a8de No.14781620
I know I'm not, fuck WoW.
6e9ed9 No.14786386
>>14775095
Anon is right. I tried vanilla WoW on a private server, I came to myself when I was hopping along on my orc hunter on the Zandalari Isles looking for tiger furs. Logged out there, haven't played since. You have to have a certain kind of personality to stomach that, so if Blizzard keeps it strictly classic and doesn't dilute it with retail elements, you should be okay. Retail isn't fun, vanilla isn't fun, I've started playing other vidya (and less overall) lately.
b0bda4 No.14786422
de5254 No.14786863
>>14774157
>No stupid rotations.
Because there were no rotations and most classes had very few main attack options.
f27f6f No.14789750
>>14774157
>>No fucked story and lore
8e9a89 No.14789767
>Shilling for monthly subscription
>From blizzard
Is halfchan imploding again or something?
92641c No.14797482
>>14774157
WoW was never good.
358773 No.14797497
>>14786386
>Bitches out on practical prey quest for durotar tiger furs
>Literally a very early Q that can be skipped
>He didn't brave the barrens at level 1 to level in tauren areas while hearthing back to valley to maximize the exp gain
092f39 No.14797524
Ah, Vanilla
>1 viable talent spec per class if you are lucky
>8 debuff limit
>Poor UI
>Horrific Stat allocation
>40 man raid literally the only content
>Mostly useless professions
>Rank 1 spam
>Hard cap on content
>Will only have a fraction of the current WoW playerbase
WoW was never any good, and the good will of the potential it had has long been wasted. You are wasting your time and money attempting to chase your youth. This is the equivalent of that time your parents bought a fancy new car or tried to start a business at 50, only way more pathetic.
b692db No.14797544
downside is i cant monk
i just want to punch things
WITH MY FISTS
092f39 No.14797570
>>14797544
Hah, character customization? In an MMO?
My poor anon, City of Heroes died a long time ago.
651474 No.14797573
>Supporting Blizzard in any way, shape, or form
94ab09 No.14797620
>>14774433
Hey now paladins were also horrible healers, in addition to being horrible tanks
4e7dc4 No.14797627
>WoW
>Ever good
Kill yourself
124438 No.14798228
i want to believe, but i just know they'll fuck it up
there will either be microtransactions, or they'll force us to use the new models, or who knows what else
if it ever comes out and doesn't seem to be shit, i might play it, i have too much free time and no future anyways, but i don't want to invest in private servers after what happened to nost
dcd6d7 No.14798266
Why bother with it in the first place? It's an old game. Anybody who gave two fucks about it already played the hell out of it on private servers and vomits at first sight of it. I'm sure that all sensible people will get tired of it real quick and then only fanboys and normalniggers of all kinds will be left and force blizzard to cater to them and turn it into shit yet again. The only way to make it work is make quality content from scratch, like adding all inaccessible dungeons and locations that were already present on map in vanilla and fixing the useless builds, but everybody knows that won't happen. Blizzard will say "see, you don't want to play the exact same game over and over so we're gonna add LFR, micro-transactions and all that shit to it".
547ac9 No.14798290
>>14797620
can confirm. i had a paladin in vanilla and it was a real fuckin abstract kind of hell, especially when greater blessings cost reagents. knowing that you're only being brought along on a raid because you have an aura and can slightly increase passive mana regeneration for the important people was pretty shitty
4f865c No.14798295
Wow ruined what was turning out to be the greatest genre in videogames. Now it's all mindless trash lacking even a hint of creativity. All because of this basic, thoughtless trash of a game.
631e63 No.14798323
>shuts down every private legacy server provider
>sues them for every single penny they've got
>announce they will NEVER EVER be doing legacy servers
>fast forward to 2017
>LEGACY SERVERS WOO COMPLETELY NEW GIVE US YOUR SHEKELS
how are people this fucking retarded
3f0f11 No.14798332
>>14774157
If I wanted to go back to playing 2005-era WoW, I'd just play on a private server. Eat shit.
228b0c No.14798382
>>14798323
Because their fanbase is equally retarded
d99273 No.14798401
It could be a good way to spend 3-4 months if they don't fuck it up. I like the game, after all. If nothing else it'll be fun watching it demolish the population and financial viability of shitty mongolian private servers. But honestly, I'm probably just going to ignore it and keep waiting for pantheon.
The main sticking point is that there will probably be a sub fee, and the money that blizzard earns from that won't go back into classic but their newest cancer instead. No new content, not even finishing cut content such as the azshara battleground or certain long questlines. Classic is in no way a return to the glory days of online gaming, it's a museum exhibition.
1330d5 No.14798471
>>14774771
>Think of who you'll be playing with.
You mean hunting like the animals they are, and I do. There will be no functional difference between now and then, except that it will be twice as easy to drive people to suicide with vicious camping and mindgames.
e66f05 No.14798551
29084a No.14798744
>>14774433
What's the best site for WoW cartoon porn? I've been using rule34.paheal.net for ages. Is there a better, more user-friendly one?
3197ea No.14798829
in reality you will get this
>cash shop with lvl 60 boosters
>revamped meme specs to be viable without making content harder to compensate
>lfd system will be there and dungeons will be kept aoe fest retard friendly since its current year and everyone is entitled to beat all content in first try
>no pvp servers since pvp might hurt someones feelings
>large dungeons are split to multiple parts since spending more than 20 minutes in dungeons doesn't fit modern attention spans
>phasing added to many old quests to make sure you don't have to compete or see those pesky other players
>boss kills will award invidiual loot since everyone is entitled to it equally
>timers will be added to battlegrounds to prevent fights lasting longer than 20 minutes
>the arena in stv will be made instanced and in addition several pillars will be added to it for resto druids to run around
>old lore is considered too boring for modern audiences so most quest will be rewritten to include hilarious memes cata style
>it's unfair to have paladins and shamans faction locked so they will be open to both sides along with deathknights and other new classes but content difficulty will not be scaled to take them in to consideration
>to make lvl 60 life less raid oriented hundreds of daily quests have been added around the world
35841d No.14798838
>Giving blizzard money after all these years of fuckery.
You are the problem.
7e18f1 No.14798842
>>14798744
e621 actually has a surprising dearth of Warcraft porn, and you can have all the filters you want.
Sankaku Channel also works.
092ee8 No.14798845
>blizzdrones actually think I'm gonna go back to hit 3 to cast firebolt after playing Dragon's Dogma
1c5df9 No.14798850
>>14774157
>blizzard shut down classic private servers
>so they can sell their own
Stop making these threads, faggot. I'm not giving Blizzard any money for this shit.
092ee8 No.14798854
>>14798829
>I want to suffer more to get less
>thinking he will be celebrated a purist by fucking anyone
Blizzdrone mentality
a511e3 No.14799002
>>14798744
why don't you go there https://e-hentai.org/tag/parody%3Aworld+of+warcraft like everyone else since … well, since the 1st time you learn of it really
e6e17d No.14799004
WoW isn't any less cancerous back then as it is today. You are longing for a fucking Skinner box OP.
2ab60e No.14799024
>>14775347
>modern games are shit
>why do you want to play old games, move on
i've played a lot of flatout, bloodrayne and ut as well and i'm still playing them.
c4385d No.14799025
I wouldn't give money to Blizzard after being talked down to. "I don't want that, and neither do you. You think you do, but you don't." Hey, I know whether or not I want something. Nowadays though, I don't want this, I don't want to play WoW at all, not in a WoW classic official version, not in a private server, not in a live version… Every time I play World of Warcraft I end up sleeping the afternoon away because the game puts me to sleep, it's so fucking awful and boring.
d2e3ce No.14799687
>retards still think Blizzard's classic will be actual vanilla
>when they no longer have the source for vanilla's client or back-end
It's going to be a bastardized version of their current client. You're fooling yourself if you really expect otherwise.
082746 No.14799735
>>14798323
Nostalrius was a HUGE success, and despite being a buggy piece of shit, people loved it.
When they got C&Ded and decided to shut down, I honestly thought Blizzjews would announce classic. Had they done that back then, they would have been reaping the benefits all this time and for years to come.
Now?
No one cares. Few people will feel very enthusiastic about this.
And why should they? The moment has passed, everyone moved on – I bet no private classic server has even half the numbers old Nost had.
What people love the most are their memories of this game, but to play it today would be to suffer.
Imagine being on an official Blizzard server of all things – a company that bans people for the slightest "misconduct."
It would be hell, and worse, it would be hell you would pay to be in.
Introducing Classic after Nost had shut down (and before their politics turned even the more hardened drones against them) was their last chance to do something right.
They blew that and it is too late now.
They're going to rot, and they know it, which is why they're trying to curry favour with their old RTS crowd by patching Warcraft 3 and even joking about adding a new race after all these years of neglect.
b70b95 No.14799879
>no stupid rotations
WoW always had rotations
>no item levels
WoW always had item level, you simply never noticed
>No ridiculous mounts
True, but any non-casual doesn't care about mounts
>No more corridor story dungeons
True
>no LFR
True
>No automatic loot system
Personal is objectively better than Master Loot. As a person who ninja'd random shitter pugs in WoD, I can tell you Personal not only gives more loot per person but also avoids stuff like that. There is nothing wrong with personal looting system. It also avoids shitter player getting gear that could go to a better player
Vanilla WoW official servers will be better than BFA
a511e3 No.14799882
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14799735
>What people love the most are their memories of this game, but to play it today would be to suffer.
That's because as it was said before, the discovery is lost/over.
What blizzard need to do is remake WoW following vanilla legacy²².
Wotlk may not have been pure shit but remember that EVERYTHING BAD about current wow came from there.
²²i would have say BC if it wasn't for flying mount unless you include flying pvp.
there is no point in relaunch vanilla, everyone aside from a verry few already know everything about it, what they need is release WotLK without the anti-mmo policy (LFD/LFR etc) then release the expantion folowing vanilla mindset.
Tl;DR just use the expantion as a way to just add content.
but to do so, they will need to rethink everything. rethink the scaling etc to avoid all the BS you had in retai, where leveling is still relevant.
the only problem with wow is not about "casualisation"
WoW has always been a casual mmo
It was design that way, At best you could say
<the casual gamer of yesterdays are concidered the hardcore gamer of today
<the casual gamer of today will be concidered the hardcore gamer of tomorow
Anyway, the problems is simply the anti-mmo feature made for thoses who do not want to play a mmo (aka: with other people) but rather, a solo RPG with no interaction between player needed to progress. The "i want to play a mmo at my pace and not require to find friends/contact to form a party"
i still wonder why they did not simply replace "player" with NPC when you queu up for LFD/LFR or any raid/dungeon .. at least NPC do nto make mistakes
… How long will it take for the industry to realise that mmo only worked and were popular because they were socializing tool? because they were the only kind of game were you could have a second life and were the ultimate escape tool? Even swtor failed when it try to be the perfect "solo rpg-mmo"
my guess is: when all the mmo would die out or fail and only EvE will remain. And that link is proof of that. there is no mmo out there were if a guild lose everything(asuming it can get something aside from giving another line of text above the name and title of their members), their member would come back and re-ignite it with their personnal funds and influence.
fdc150 No.14799891
>>14799687
This is correct if they bother with this at all instead of just dangling carrot yearly then they will pozz and retconn the shit out of it, "we're gonna do it right this time"
6c43b2 No.14799948
i'm playing on kronos1 still, and while it's fairly dead, kronos3 has around 5-6k players, which is pretty decent. it's mostly bugfree, but not perfect; on monday (on k1), the bat boss in zg was bugged out and wouldn't come down from his cliff so we had to have a pally spam rank1 consecrate next to the cliff to keep him in combat while we nuked him from range, fucking annoying. it's still a fun game to play imo. however, even if it and every other private server gets shutdown, i would never play blizzard's classic (or any other modern blizzard games) for that matter, because all the original WoW devs are gone and the company is dogshit now, both from a political and game-design perspective.
anyone who legitimately believes that (((blizzard))) will come thru and make good 'classic' WoW servers is fooling themselves. let's go over, briefly, some things that these kikes have done recently:
released starcraft2 three times to make more shekels, while not including basic features that were even included in starcraft1/warcraft3 YEARS ago, such as LAN play, clan support, etc. forced tournament organizers for sc2 to PAY BLIZZARD money in order to host a tourney, guaranteeing the competitive scene's doom. especially in southkorea, they charged exuberant amounts of money from the major tourney orgs and broadcasters there, ensuring that they'd just ignore sc2 and keep broadcasting sc1 instead (which is a better game regardless).
then we've got diablo3, where blizz included a real-money auction system ingame, as well as the bullshit 'always-online' feature. on top of this, the shitty servers caused players to rubberband and lose all their shit on a regular basis.
last but not least, let's check what the yids did to WoW over the years. well, they turned it into a cash-shop dressup game where most epics are handed to you on a silverplatter without having to work for them at all, cosmetic shit out the walls but all the individual uniqueness of the classes removed. dumbass garrisons that further kill any social aspect of what's supposed to be a social game, and much more.
and there are dumbasses who believe that the same company ruled by the same assholes who did ALL of these things, is somehow going to restrain themselves for their own vanilla servers? get. fucking. real. they'll fuck it up because to the ones running the company, the things we see as bad are upheld by them as good.
ad finally, one last thing, blizzard bans you from their games permanently for saying 'nigger', whereas, in spite of a few flaws on pservers, i can deny the holohoax in worldchat until the sun goes down and not get banned.
tl;dr lol @ fags giving blizzard money in current year.
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6ce536 No.14800059
>>14774157
They might pull what Jagex did with Old School Runescape and introduce features that didn't exist at the time for "convenience" and ruin it. I don't trust nu-Blizzard with this, and they're one of the last companies I want to support with my money.
I would sooner play Project 1999 and am excited for Pantheon but you faggots don't seem interested in either.
b29f99 No.14802143
>>14798290
>i had a paladin in vanilla and it was a real fuckin abstract kind of hell, especially when greater blessings cost reagents.
Nigga, I raided on my holy paladin BEFORE GREATER BLESSINGS EXISTED. You wanna talk about Hell? Imagine having to individually buff all 40 of your raid members, one by one, with FIVE MINUTE BLESSINGS.
By the time you were finished buffing the raid, it was time to start buffing the raid again. Plus, in much of the raid content it didn't even make sense to heal, since priests did it better, but paladins got to be cleanse-bots because our cleanse was the best.
ffef47 No.14802257
they can do either patch 1.1 would would be neat or patch 1.12 like alot of private servers either way i wouldnt mind if they didnt add anything else and fuck shit over. it would be a shame if they added shit for convience but really patch 1.12 is really convient they made vannila less of an asspain ovet the patches
58aaf3 No.14802270
This trash was never good.
092f39 No.14802753
>>14802143
>Those early 40 man rewards with +spell damage/healing being completely unbalanced, allowing paladins to basically become a HoT by casting rank 1 flash of light over and over.
>Mages getting online an hour before to summon food and water.
I don't get why people think Vanilla was even slightly good. On top of the fact that Blizzard will stalk you on unrelated sites and ban you for conduct ANYWHERE online, what's the point?
ffef47 No.14802773
>>14802753
you know theres more than one mage in the raid grp right? also there is downranking of spells mostly for healers but really i think the thing people hate is the fact that pallies can heal for 1.5 while most other healers cast times are for 2 seconds. the real annoying thing is farming fucking soulshards its fucking annyoing but atleast u can get some while in raid
9447b7 No.14803204
>>14802753
Blizzard started their stalking more than a decade after vanilla wow released so thats a pretty fucking stupid statement
cd49a4 No.14803284
>>14797570
Why'd you have to bring CoX up?
8b3fda No.14803329
>Being excited for Warcuck
179d99 No.14803460
>>14803284
>>14797570
>ywn participate in a costume contest in atlas park ever again
6636a5 No.14803466
>>14774157
>No fucked lore
Which year did Muradin come back?
Also
>Forsaken ally with Horde
>Night elf ally with eastern humans and dwarves
df83aa No.14803469
>>14798744
> there are people on 8chan that browse paheal
Jesus fucking Christ have some self respect
5bd1a4 No.14803488
>>14774157
WoW was always casual babies first MMO, that is why it was successful.
89f007 No.14803497
>>14803466
>Which year did Muradin come back?
In WotLK, the second expansion
51ede3 No.14803511
>>14797524
>40 man raid literally the only content
This is something that really pisses me off about MMORPGs. This is the only genre in the entire history of gaming where this argument is made.
Fighting games don't "only start in the final rounds of national tournaments". Racing games don't "only start in the last lap of the last track in Grand Prix mode". CRPGs don't "only start at the final boss". Walking Simulators don't "only start at the credits", but only because they don't have any gameplay to start with.
But MMORPGs are this special genre where the players don't give a shit about 99% of the game's content, because "the game begins at the level cap". Why?
bb356c No.14803521
There's too many of these threads imo.
2020 if ever…
bb356c No.14803522
c72526 No.14803538
>>14803511
Because that other 99% game doesn't really reward a max level player anything? People generally want at least some form of character advancement from their game time
08bb95 No.14803557
>>14799735
Half the time any world chat is filled with banter that would get everyone involved banned on the spot. Classic will not last a fucking month before all the interesting characters that make the game fun to play are stamped out of existence by nuBlizz's rainbow haired community managers who are on a razor thing wire since their dilation is particularly painful that day.
51ede3 No.14803810
>>14803538
Then why don't they just let you make a character at max level, if all the content you experience getting to that point don't actually matter? Why even have levels at all?
551d95 No.14803833
>>14803511
People dont enjoy killing billions of mobs who only have a autoattack and some stupid flavor text is not enough to be a reward. And most of this "gameplay" can be played by bot(or chink) who presses f1 constantly and tab every 30-60 seconds depending on class.
>>14803810
So people would pay subscription fee.
328eab No.14804606
They will always find a way to fuck it up, like making some gay pride event.
15ca9f No.14804728
Don't buy Blizzard's lies for a second.
You have to remember they are only doing this because there was a major backlash when a rep said "Players don't want classic WoW back." And since they're eating shit because they closed a major classic server they're eager to milk your sheckels.
Here's what they are probably going to do: "Classic Plus"
You're going to get a classic WoW but you're not going to get the classic you want. They'll add conveniences quietly like higher epic drop rates and more flight paths. They're also going to sneakily get rid of valuable exploits like restricting farming spots or little environmental tweaks to make things "harder"
Then they will get more bold like saying"You spoke and we listened! We're bringing the favorite dungeon finder back!" Even though no one was asking for it. Eventually they'll find a way to add microtransactions. I don't care how much willpower you think Classic WoW players had, but getting gold and a mount was hard as hell, so they would probably add an option to buy gold or offer a LVL 50 Head Start Pack where you can start at lvl 50, get a mount and 100 gold and XP boosters to get to 60.
This isn't the Blizzard you grew up with, don't be fooled.
b89d25 No.14804767
>>14774157
>no item levels
yeah it's not like ilvl was there since the start and people just made mods for it to show untill cata implemented ilvl being visible
dcd6d7 No.14804797
>>14804767
Yeah, it's not like the first reply in this thread already says that. Are you retarded? Did you confuse this with reddit or youtube comment section?
2f6674 No.14805355
>>14774157
>even longer unbearable grinding to level
>no real travel options in your first year of playing so you have to painstakingly crawl across the map
I hear people defending the slow ass traveling by saying it helps exploration. That would be a valid argument if the world wasn't so fucking boring and wasn't linear as hell anyway. Wow is the grandfather of theme park MMOs. You are railroaded into a specific path that you are meant to follow. There is no real exploration to be done in the world because there's nothing to do in the world. There's nothing to interact with outside of grinding in specified areas in a specified order. The only other thing there is is these dumbass incredibly lazily half baked profession resources like mining, which is just embarrassingly watered down compared to something like runescape. The only MMOs where I've actually enjoyed exploring the world are Runescape, Tibia, Star Sonata, and Shores of Hazeron. These games actually had reasons to explore, they had things to find and use in the world unlike wow which is just barren empty shit.
Seriously, fuck Wow. It's so lazily made and half assed that I really don't understand how people can possibly defend it. How the fuck is it even seen as a high production value game?
>>14804728
This is exactly what happened to oldschool runescape.
b1f0f5 No.14805435
>>14774157
>who else is excited
about what? vanilla servers have been a thing since ages.
>t. never paid a single shekel for blizzard games in my lyfe
f51abd No.14805472
>>14802773
man you don't gotta farm soul shards unless theres only 2 warlocks in the raid
if you just fill your soul shard bag and get a few extras, you should be good on soul shards
for a raid
and don't forget to cast drain soul on every enemy that you kill in the raid before it dies
f51abd No.14805483
>>14803511
because once you hit max level, you're there forever
and in single-player games that have a levelling system, once you hit max level, either you won the game a long time ago, or are close to winning
and there isn't exactly a levelup system in most racing or fighting games
and some CRPGs are multiplayer; for some people they really do start at the level cap, but not in singleplayer
0bd20b No.14805514
>>14799002
needing an account to browse porn is gay
cd8dd1 No.14805519
YOU WILL NEVER RECAPTURE THE FEELING OF PLAYING WOW FOR THE FIRST TIME
f61905 No.14805581
>>14803511
>"the game begins at the level cap".
I believe this is a mindset that players have hammered into their heads over time to the point where even the devs will structure their games around it even though it shouldn't be the case. Originally the journey was the big selling point and just having fun in general but now everyone wants to rush to the max level as soon as possible but I can't really explain the reasoning behind it. I guess its just the idea that if your character is as strong as possible the game is more fun but that isn't really the case. In the end it just sucks the fun out of a game rushing to the very end "because you have to" and I've gone back to playing these types of games at a slower pace as its way more enjoyable.
2f6674 No.14805611
>>14803833
The worst part is that where the game "begins" is the least interesting part of it. How the fuck is a bunch of people mobbing a bunch of damage sponges at all fun?
cd8dd1 No.14805618
>>14774771
The WoW community was always cancer because Blizzard fans are cancer and 12 year olds.
35841d No.14805620
>>14805581
Stopped playing on private servers because they wanted to rush to get all of the raids out. Sure a few guilds poopsocked through everything as quickly as possible but there are thousands more….or were thousands more taking their time
f20a0c No.14805690
>>14805581
an mmo is the sorta game that will become what you make of it. People new to it see the cool gear, the mounts and think "i wanna be that!"
but they don't know yet that end game is the end of the journey, without active GMs, a story or event content to consume it's a hell cycle of-
do raids - get gear, so you can!
to do more raids - to get better gear! so on and so forth.
Some people figure it out, some dont. the journey is where the fun needs to be, at least for me.
If you tell yourself, "oh i gotta grind to win" that's what you'll do. People get caught up in the rat race, and literally fashion their own sort of hell in some ways.
Anyone planning to go back to blizzard after everything deserves to get beaten again and again until you learn not to get back into an abusive relationship.
i think the mmo design itself just isn't sustainable. It requires too much time, you are constantly playing and thinking things like "you know they should change this" and that is exactly what ended up ruining wow the first time. If i were blizzard i'd make a few classic servers at each Xpac and freeze them at whatever patch i thought was the best balance of fixes. Then i'd open up a cosmetic shop for unique skins, pets, gear, weapons, spell particles to be released as time progressed.
8b3fda No.14806715
>>14805581
I have a theory about this that basically boils down to WoW, being the 1000lb gorilla in the room has conditioned MMO players into not giving a shit about all but the worst type of content.
Usually I use this argument when talking about story and worldbuilding. I bring up SW:TOR and how the devs legitimately put effort into telling a solid story and making the character a part of it and how the majority of the players didn't give a fuck, but I can see the same applying to pre-max level content as well.
If that's the case, then it begs the question, how do you design a game in such a way that the player does care and gets invested? How do you make the journey as meaningful as the destination?
7d2851 No.14806760
>>14803557
>arrive at barrens and see people discussing race realism
>getting away with saying nigger multiple times
Nostalrius gave me such a warm feeling
3bf2c2 No.14806875
>>14774170
People used a gearscore addon that time. It was horrible. Everyone was checking each others virtual dick
6297e0 No.14806885
>>14806875
Didn't that come in full swing with WotLK?
f51abd No.14806886
>>14806875
gearscore wasn't actually a thing until WotLK
082746 No.14806901
>>14806875
That was around the middle of WotLK, and Blizz even made a good April's Fools parody of all that nonsense by joking about implementing their own gearscore into the game itself and how you could disable messages from people with a lower score than you or outright turn them invisible because they are "irrelevant."
b6c365 No.14807169
>>14805519
>THE FEELING OF PLAYING WOW FOR THE FIRST TIME
>friends who were already max level constantly pestering me to level up faster, telling me to stop wasting time exploring and reading quest dialogue, removing all sense of challenge (and making in-game rewards worthless) by buying me overpowered-for-my-level gear from the auction house, telling me I have to spend my talent points a specific way, carrying me through instances, and eventually bringing me along on raids where they look up the strategies online and rush through everything as fast as possible, and generally just constantly talking my ear off about "the meta"
I'm in no hurry to recapture that feeling. For something that's supposedly only fun because of the nostalgia value, vanilla private servers are far more enjoyable to me than my first time playing WoW ever was.
0a6eba No.14807298
>>14805519
Playing MMOs in general is very painful, I have never had a positive experience with guilds, they'll use you or ignore you entirely while you're forced to watch the guild leader circlejerk with his private circle in guild chat everyday, so I'm glad I'll never recapture that feeling.
fff5bd No.14808416
>>14774157
>unbearable 10 years of grind
>no way of traveling quickly anytime in the first year of playing
WoW is fucking terrible and always was. I hear retards defending the slow ass traveling as helping the exploration factor. That'd be valid if the world wasn't boring as hell. The only games where simply traveling was fun was runescape, Tibia, Star Sonata, and Shores of Hazeron.
84f99d No.14809468
>>14803460
>>14803284
I didn't need feels at this hour.
I'm hoping City of Titans will fill the void, once it finally comes out. That could be a year or more yet, though.
15ca9f No.14810833
>>14805355
Don't forget when they forced in an SJW pride event
a511e3 No.14815541
>>14805514
>needing an account
are you retarded ? since when do you need an account you dumfuck.
https://e-hentai.org/g/381918/8fc7a344f2/
never mind, i guess you just are not worthy.
(((i bet you do not even know how to use the search/filter to find what you want)))
https://e-hentai.org/g/980969/f7e5981e8e/
your loss, not mine
ba0e48 No.14815555
>>14774433
>Also no goatsluts.
This
765321 No.14815587
>>14806715
>how do you design a game in such a way that the player does care and gets invested? How do you make the journey as meaningful as the destination?
Make a simulated real-world economy revolve around the game's main activities, i.e. PvP and/or raids. Gathering raw materials and turning them into player usable items must be done by only the players as much as possible. To make content viable at every level, at a minimum the grind must last long enough to make purchasing materials for power leveling an alternative to gathering everything yourself. Additional options could include low-level PvP/minigames. Everything must have a way of permanently removing itself from circulation to keep fresh market demand flowing, including rare and powerful items.
Much easier said than done, I'm sure. But the only MMO's where I've felt "a part of the world" are ones that, well, simulate the real world and put people-to-people interactions above all else, even if it's by accident. After almost two decades, Runescape is still the closest to my above ideals. I hate nuRunescape. I don't play it. And I don't play OSRS/RS3 Lite either. But the underlying ideas beneath the poz of Fagex are still the most "immersed" I've been in any MMO, and I would most likely play a SocJus free Runescape.
6c1462 No.14815599
>only one viable tanking class out of *nine* classes because a developer was still butt-hurt about a paladin once taking a tank slot from his warrior in Everquest
>99% of caster gear besides PVP grind rewards, Dire Maul, and endgame 40 man raids is worthless spirit heavy shit that doesn't actually boost your damage or healing spells, because the devs never bothered to update cloth stat allocation after nerfing mana regen mechanics
>Newbie Alliance night elf players have to spend an hour running through lv 20-30 zones just to get access key mechanics like weapon training because some developer threw a fit about the gnome tram running to hippy treefucker elf land.
Vanilla fags will defend this bullshit.
425d24 No.14815641
>>14815599
>>Newbie Alliance night elf players have to spend an hour running through lv 20-30 zones just to get access key mechanics like weapon training because some developer threw a fit about the gnome tram running to hippy treefucker elf land.
Hey, don't knock that. That run as a Night Elf was possibly the most fun I had in Vanilla WoW. Which says a lot, really.
af0ee6 No.14815833
>>14799882
>WoW has always been a casual mmo
I disagree, once you spend you remaining free time farming and your weekend raiding you no longer register, for all, this game turned casuals into fanatics.
a511e3 No.14816010
>>14815833
you can disagree all you want. WoW was by design a casual mmo.
the only think that went to shit and why everyone is complaining (for good reason) is simply the removal of the social/mmo aspect for a more classic solo rpg-centric "you are the hero" game.
Every aspect people called "hardcore" when thinking back at vanilla or BC are just MMO aspect of it, like actually having to talk/communicate and cooperate with other player because your character was a scrub, a mercenary, a random peon trying to be known not a hero like now. There was not any so called "hardcore" feature.
Nax was just here to give a near impossible final objective while waiting for the next expantion. it wasn't difficult per see. the prior grind and requirement was.
Again: the only thing harder or "hardcore" in vanilla is the Massively Multiplayer aspect. The ability to coordinate sometime a 40 man group. Take the same raid, lower their difficulty or boost the player stats so that they can do it with 5 or 10 and it will be easy.
f9f36a No.14816357
>>14816010
Super interested in the sauce on this image
a511e3 No.14816567
>>14816357
very well.
enjoy
http://read.lhtranslation.com/read-futoku-no-guild-chapter-1.html
However, if i may recommand one, it would be:
> MAOU NO HAJIMEKATA .
there is nothing better than a MC who build his own dungeon, capture, corrupt and cuckhold some female from adventurer's party, with the goal of conquering the world … with a side of MAGA meme at the end of early chapters.
9559a1 No.14816572
>>14816567
>ntr
>corruption
Dropped harder than you were as a baby
a511e3 No.14816586
>>14816572
well of course .. if you tend to identifie to the cuck, that's something you should avoid.
and by corruption i just mean corruption in "morals" not shitty and disgusting body modification.
4c5e58 No.14816755
>>14816586
>implying moral corruption is good
6807df No.14816807
>>14808416
I know exactly who you are. Kill yourself, gypsy.
a511e3 No.14816860
>>14816755
are you saying you do not enjoy having heroes change their mind and join the other side ? (also it's not like the world is pure and uncorrupt. what are you 12 to think there is an objectively good and a bad side ? )
fce565 No.14816867
>>14806715
It was in the original WoW, at least for me; I never cared about or participated in endgame content but enjoyed world PvP, crafting even if it wasn't optimal (I didn't even think about what was optimal when I played vanilla WoW), going with friends into dungeons that we were way underleveled for and trying to survive and win, exploring the world, etc.
Remember fucking Tanaris? The Plaguelands? Swamp of Sorrows? Fucking Feralas, which was one of the best designed forest areas in a game ever?
But there is no way this classic WoW will be anything like that. One, because you grew up, and already explored it when you were a kid. Two, it will be full of leftist garbage since it's nuBlizzard that's putting it together. Three, and most importantly, you won't be playing together with the same people, which was most of the experience.
Vanilla WoW is a precious memory for most of you who are in this thread. I would recommend not spoiling it by buying into this garbage.
9559a1 No.14816870
>>14816860
>anime and manga should be realistic and shitty just like real life
>I want the shittiness of my day-to-day grind reflected in the fiction I read
Faggot
6807df No.14816890
>>14816870
>i want muh colors and unrealistic stories to make me feel happy fee-fees!
0f81a2 No.14816909
>>14816890
I've tried realistic and all it did was make me depressed.
6807df No.14816918
>>14816909
Being stoic and reserved is what makes humans humans, anon. All this happy go lucky shit needs to die because it's responsible for the dumbing down of society, constant lowering of standards and so on. It fucks with your dopamine reward system by rewarding you constantly with happy feels even though you've done nothing, so you end up basically a stoner.
0f81a2 No.14816923
>>14816918
>Being stoic and reserved is what makes humans humans, anon
>every human has to have the same personality to be human
c724f4 No.14816928
>(1) and done shill thread
>has been up for 8 fucking days
a511e3 No.14816939
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14816870
>just like real life
oh sorry mate, i did not know you were being cucked or that you were in a state were you could be one.
>I want the shittiness of my day-to-day grind reflected in the fiction I read
so.. are you a furry dude? or MLP fan? worst? surely watching this put you way~ to the oposit spectrum of your day to day life :^)
>>14816909
So I guess this is your favourit movie of all time right?
0f81a2 No.14816958
>>14816939
Holy fuck learn english and then come back you subhuman
a511e3 No.14816983
>>14816958
meh… unless i have to go to the UK, it's not worth it when you already speak 3 others.
American themself do not speak it that well tbh
c8dc6e No.14817040
>>14797497
>>He didn't brave the barrens at level 1 to level in tauren areas while hearthing back to valley to maximize the exp gain
Nobody plays RPGs to grind for more generic fetch quests, it's a bland MMO with bland lore from a bland cartoon Tolkien-lite RTS. It's not Dragon Quest, there's no charm to the design, to the monster designs, to the story, it is fairly fucking generic Tolkien shit. It's a game you play for a few days and give up on, wondering why they wasted their budget for a fetch quest box. It's the same question you could give to any mmo, to pretend that the game is alive so they could milk it for what it's worth from retards that have a hard time judging fiction from reality. The main thing that people appreciate about MMOs is the social aspect of it, if you remove that it is worst than the conventional DOS RPG you could play in DOSbox, hell the only way to really make it halfway bearable is by making your own private server and spawning yourself ai bots to fill the server with, at least then you could pretend it's fun.
c8dc6e No.14817065
>>14817040
It is actually kind of fun being able to fuck around with scripts and tools in WoW yourself just from the ease of fucking around killing NPCs, until you get bored of exploring the bland, dead environments. Now imagine paying for it without the scripting option and with a payshop.
9efb51 No.14817117
Since theme park mmos killed the mmo market, are there any good sandbox mmos at all?
fff5bd No.14817219
>>14817117
Not really. They're all dead and shutdown or ruined with updates. I heard Ultima online went f2p but I never tried it.
4ff362 No.14822156
>>14774433
>He doesn't miss his soulbag
>Doesn't miss the autism of having to soul drain things after a tough raid portion, or just for fun.
Fucking casual. You remind me of the faggots who complain about weapon degradation in New Vegas.
>>14816567
STOP
CORRUPTING
ELVES
>>14816790
>Implying a neet like you has money
5bd1a4 No.14822694
>>14817117
Sandbox Survival games is the closest you'll get to classic MMOs
ac192a No.14835383
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fa78ba No.14843075
>>14774157
wow always had rotations you were/are too shit