/v/ - Video Games

>>14772606

>compassion is solely and exlusively SJW

Next they're going to say doing evil is right winged capitalism. This indoctrination goes very fucking deep.

>>14772631

What kind of fucking job do you have? Because that sounds more like torture.

Harry Potter is always the go to thing for SJW libshits to fawn over. Written by a inane, stupid, big headed woman from some white as fuck place in England. Harry Potter is shit.

And Marvel is explicitly SJW garbage. It has become a massively normalfag thing now. Anyone who calls themselves a 'nerd' deserves a kick up the arse for being so fucking gay.

I watched anime and they had a message of adherence to tradition, the power of friendship, working hard to achieve your goals, using giant robots even when impractical, and the universal, inalienable, god given right of all mankind to pantyshots.

Which video game is this thread about?

I drew the line so hard I don't play videogames anymore

All that's left is laugh at faggots with hope

>>14772645

Retail, unfortunately.

Most likely getting out shortly, since I'll be getting a job at a small gamedev studio that doesn't seem pozzed from how much I've worked with them. no vaginas there, either

Seriously, some guy will walk into the store with a MAGA hat, and then liberals will start yelling about the KKK and shit. We've had fights over this, had to call security on numerous occasions. It's calmed down now a bit but for about 4 months before and after the election, it would happen weekly.

>>14772646

Well, being a "nerd" has been cool ever since Big Bang Theory started airing

11 fucking years ago

>>14772606

Also never gave a shit about any of those faggot shit jewed things he used as example

I grew up on cockfighting simulators

>>14772660

My benis

I love pissing off both sides of the autism spectrum, its so fucking easy to do and the enjoyment you get out of it is exhilirating. Its even better when you rile one side up against the other into a frenzy. Seeing people get pissy over politics to the point of violence is one of my favourite sights to see.

I draw the line at doing something else anytime there is something that is not part of gameplay, such as cinematics and dialogues. I skip everything I can and what I can't I let run in the background while listening to music and shitposting. I miss the days when the story in a game was limited to what was written in an instruction booklet, which I never read.

>>14772678

The problem with igniting that fire is it always end up in powertripping fuckheads passing laws that constraints regular people more and more because of the action of those pissed off autists. In the end everyone has more shit to eat in his plate because of those relatively few lunatics.

>>14772686

This is one of the biggest, deepest, core flaws of Democracy. The vocal minority always has the most power. You didn't have to deal with this kind of shit with Monarchies. The ideal political system is an absolute Monarchy topped by a sentient robot always working for the good of country and humankind instead of a mortal and flawed man.

>Everything had (political) subtext all along.

Except when it did not, was wishfull thinking by leftists, got denied by the authors, got reitterated by leftists with "death of the author" and later enforced by the studio to milk the shekels from the leftist goyim.

I draw the line where the politics presented in game wildly differ from those of mine, its just make the whole experience for me unenjoyable, most recent example would be Battletech, i had to drop it after turtorial

>>14772709

BIRTHRIGHT

>>14772606

> everything is political

Can someone please explain the political subtext of Banjo Kazooie to me, I must have missed it because I was just a dumb kid

>>14772606

I agree, all the RPGs regardless of time have been full of political context. It's just that when we were kids we missed it.

>>14772717

The Witch represents feminism and Banjo is getting backpack cucked by a bird.

>>14772717

I'm sure somehow they see the game as reinforcing the patriarchy because the witch is a hardcore feminist that tried to free banjo's sister from the beauty ideals forced upon her by modern day standards and banjo is a chauvinist male that treats his subordinate female, Kazooie, like shit by forcing her to do labor for his profit. They could also argue that its political aspect resides in the unrealistic standards of beauty or some shit and that is why the witch needed to do everything she did, to fit in this patriarchal world.

>>14772742

>every game that is leftist or SJW should be especially pirated

Why the fuck would you waste your time and disc space to pirate shit games?

>>14772745

The anon is still living under the delusion that piracy hurts sales

>>14772606

Lack of self awareness like in OP picture is where I draw the line, but mainly because it results in dumb fucking writing.

>>14772717

It humanizes the animals, therefore it's a vegan/pro-animal rights propaganda.

>>14772606

This fag is unfortunately right. Damn near everything can be ideological, philosophical and political. Its just that in recent years the Cultural Marxists have lost their subtlety.

>>14772745

>Why the fuck would you waste your time and disc space to pirate shit games?

That's a very good question. To clarify, everyone who actually wants to spend money on SJW games should pirate them instead. Furthermore, anyone who would only play a SJW game because they can pirate it should just not play them altogether. Slow steps.

>>14772748

I know piracy doesn't hurt sales, but money spent on bad products and SJWs is money wasted.

>>14772759

>money spent on bad products and SJWs is money wasted.

As is bandwidth and disk space

>>14772606

If the entire thing is nothing more than a vehicle for a political manifesto, then it's definitely over the line.

Up to that point, it helps a lot of it advocates something sensible like >>14772649 instead of "Suck my feminine penis and call me xir or you're a bigoted nazi, you fuckin white male"

Problem with modern devs is that they're so entirely overrun with loonies that live in a bubble that it's entirely impossible for them to actually have an opinion that isn't insane. I'm not even talking /pol/ level sane here, just normal, not actively suicidal ideas.

>>14772779

>certain things are so valuable they are sacred (e.g. life)

Thats like, your opinion man

>>14772779

Nothing is sacred to a Jew and guess who is in charge all over the west.

>>14772779

>Certain beliefs are facts, certain things are so valuable they are sacred (e.g. life)

>>>/christian/

>>14772786

Goblins?

If there's a moral at all, it's like the thread that makes the cloth. You can't tease it out. You can't extract the meaning without unraveling the deeper meaning. And in the end, really, there's nothing much to say about a true story, except maybe "Oh." True stories do not generalize. They do not indulge in abstraction or analysis.

The truths are contradictory. It can be argued, for instance, that war is grotesque. But in truth war is also beauty. For all its horror, you can't help but gape at the awful majesty of combat. You stare out at tracer rounds unwinding through the dark like brilliant red ribbons. You crouch in ambush as a cool, impassive moon rises over the nighttime paddies. You admire the fluid symmetries of troops on the move, the great sheets of metal-fire streaming down from a gunship, the illumination rounds, the white phosphorus, the purply orange glow of napalm, the rocket's red glare. It's not pretty, exactly. It's astonishing. It fills the eye. It commands you.

>>14772844

>implying there are summer femanons

>implying there are ever femanons period

>>14772913

It's a trap, by default.

I don't really have a line there. I really don't care about the dev's politics and if they add commentary it's usually something ignorant that makes me cringe, such as the OP's pic. The one time I draw the line is when dev's cave in to feminist bigots and remove or censor something in their work. If you don't have the integrity to stand your ground, even when the lowest form of human life demands you change your game, then I will not support you.

>>14772606

The politics do not have to be one-sided.

The retard in the op's pic claims that compassion for your fellow man is a lefty, SJW thing. Which it has never been.

>>14772930

It is when you include anything vaguely resembling a human (Jew, nigger, spic…) as a subject of empathy.

>>14772717

Gruntilda was disprivileged by being ugly. No, really, it's basically the plot of the game. The whole reason she kidnapped Tootie to begin with was to steal her beauty, remember? Even Brentilda is beautiful by comparison. Thus, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that she is lashing out to confirm to beauty standards set by toxic masculinity.

>>14772913

>>14772916

Femanon (male)

I would enjoy it if it wasn't always extremely partisan and topical. Even fantasy and scifi games always have to force themselves as incredibly obvious allegory. Deus Ex wasn't allow to be an organic world of its own or explore conspiracy theories, it had to be about Black Lives Matter. So in practice, I want none of it, especially not from the idiots crowding the industry.

GSG games can be OK for a sort of neutral presentation of the historical past. But even so CIV has concocted their own formula of poz to fit the bill, and even Paradox can't resist ahistorical mechanics to satisfy current day liberal sensitivities.

The real problem is a growing portion of people don't even understand how to be apolitical anymore. Even something as benign as an Ansel Adams photo could be problematic- the concept of nature is "a western creation," or he's a white male. An insane amount of people perceive the lack of politicization as political, and agitprop is seen as neutral and adjusted for the current year. If "everything is political," then everything needs to be a campaign ad. Showing the actual population demographics in KC:D is "problematic," while revisionist history is like casting a black Joan of Arc is lauded as necessary, overdue, and impossible to criticize on political grounds.

>>14772606

If you've been playing any game with decent world building you've encountered politics in video games. Videogames can deal with politics the issue arises when this is done as the main point of the game and if it's done in a preachy way.

Should videogames deal with politics? Yes, but not always and not current politics because everything is a shit show of he said she said, it is only with the benefit of hindsight that we can actually build a compelling narrative/argument for a political ideology applied to a videogame.

Otherwise, get your politics out of my vidya and hail hydra

>>14773133

If you believe that the Expanse isn't trying to ram pozz down your throat you're an idiot.

>>14773133

>nu-prey

>good

>>14772742

I kinda agree with this post

>>14773170

You're making it only worse. Jesus fuck.

>>14773170

whats good about it?

>>14773173

If you have objectively good taste recommend a game, I'm looking for more.

>>14773179

Hangman is pretty good, you should try it right away.

>>14773177

Prey? Interesting level design, great story, in-game story (no cutscenes) I fucking hate cutscenes, interesting enemies, interesting weapons.

The major faults are: RPG lite, not many approaches to missions, unlocking sections (almost bioshock levels of "you can't go here yet").

>>14773183

Top bants :^)

>>14772662

>It's calmed down now a bit but for about 4 months before and after the election, it would happen weekly.

Fuck man that's some autism. Hope your future job will be good for you.

>>14772606

>Where did video games became political in a sense where it's now more about indoctrination rather than inspiration for plots?

Since (((they))) smell money in the little geek hobby and get involved. Lust for money taints everything it touches.

>Are there ways for this madness to end?!

Either they prey upon themselves and imploded or at the end of the rope.

I remember that Tetris was just about blocks and those cocks managed to conjure up that it was a Soviet propaganda; Spyro was just adventuring in many colourful worlds and causing a bit of mischief (and stamping our ones that went too far); Pokemon was a fun adventure across the country; Twisted Metal was a crazy race with guns and fun; Harvest Moon was about having ones own farm, starting a family, being good neighbour to each other; etc.

In the normal states of affair, they will be put in a madhouse for seeing everything as "SJW<->HITLER" spectrum like little retards they are, but they got their "front legs" on psychiatrist association first so yeah. Either they collapse upon themselves, /pol/ finally got their shit, or God have enough with the CY Sodom and Gomorrah and the rest is history.

>>14773195

The version of Hangman I was playing was about this guy trying to fit in on basket weaving image boards and shilling some shitty buggy videogame that has gameplay that will make you fall asleep and a story that a brain dead kid could come up with, claiming that he enjoyed it so much that he bought it even though he probably finished it too, which doesn't make sense because the game is linear as fuck and never changes so why bother buying it, huge plothole there.

Now later in life he realized things weren't going to get any better, especially not with low amount of shekels he was making and thus he hanged himself. I thought it was just a shitty reboot but I was wrong, I enjoyed so much that I bought three times.

>>14773228

>people liking vidya on my /v/

It's more likely than you think.

also saging an active thread does nothing, we don't have downvotes here kiddo

>>14773195

I'm gunna have to disagree with you there bud. prey is not a good game.

>>14773270

>or do you believe you dont have to?

not to you

>>14772606

All those examples are shit. What is his point?

>>14772606

>Are there ways for this madness to end?!

Make the faggots choke on their propaganda, taunt them on twitter so hard they become trannies or kill themselves and when the news report on it, taunt them as well.

>>14773342

*and not provide

>>14772620

I love thse TF2 PSAs, do you got more webms of them, they;re the best SFM animators

>>14773342

>Actually wanting to discuss videogames instead of calling people jewshillfaggots

Wow stop being a shill anytime

>>14772786

Western values aren't sacred to the Jew, but Jewish values are.

I don't think exploring political stuff in games is defacto bad, and can be done well if you(like in Fallout 4), but if it is really retarded or lowers quality, it becomes a problem. A good game with a shitty political message is fine if it doesn't ruin the game.

>>14772606

You don't need to draw the line anywhere. If the subject matter is properly handled, it is no problem at all.

Except we don't actually see that happen. That's because the only way to properly handle such a subject is to be impartial towards it. If you're biased, you will most likely misrepresent the issue, completely ignore the flaws in your ideology and produced a pile of shit in the process.

Politics being a very touchy subject, the only people that want to touch it are those who believe it is their holy mission to push their shitty ideology. And those are as biased as it gets.

>Are there ways for this madness to end?!

Wait for a climate where politics isn't as touchy of a subject. AKA post-Happening™. AKA NEVER-EVER

>nuh uh I don't see any politics in my yee boing yippee platformer featuring cartoon animals

Proving the guy's point that those whining about the existence of politics are still children.

>>14773170

>The only thing that I noticed as a nod to libtards was the high levels of faggotry (well over the 4% average), what have you noticed that you think is pozzed?

Nation dissolving one world government, everyone's a deracisnated blob conforming to the mechanical cultures forced on them. It'd annoy me more if I didn't think humanity was heading in that direction anyway if we get off the planet at all.

Oh Christ its Ben Kuchera 2.0

>>14773451

>You realize it's set in the future right? A future you yourself predict in that post….

That doesn't make it less pozzed the rest of that crap is materialist horshit. "It's fine if we're all mixed deracinated blobs as long as we can make sure everyone's happy enough to no be taking drugs by giving them more material shit" is a shit materialists argument.

The belter are again a mechanical culture in the sense that humans would never form bonds like that. You would not get a melding of race and culture you would get violence. It's the very idea's that they construct their future from that are pozzed in nature. Now if they were ethno cultural bands that maintained distinct cultures form one another and mars wasn't some bizarre multiracial blob of a melting pot that would not ever form or be sustainable in reality then we might have something.

>>14773177

It feels more like System Shock then Bioshit ever did.

>>14773470

Talk about shit games get shit responses.

>>14773342

i dont need to justify myself to any fucker

>>14773506

This is /v/ so yes you do.

>>14773470

Most of /v/ is just pissed that it's called Prey and made by Bethesda. If it were made in some random Eastern Europe country and it was called "Prayed" most people wouldn't have a problem with it. It's honestly a solid 8/10.

I think it's partly a misnomer and partly SJWs being stupid on purpose.

I say a misnomer because when people say they don't want politics in their games, what they actually mean is "Don't preach to me/don't tell me what to think". Which is what most of this political crap is, telling you what to think. Or at least, don't FEEL preachy. "Have compassion for your fellow man" is not controversial, it's something most people can agree on. That's what the tweet in the OP misses. "Fucking cis white males are ruining everything" or "Everything needs to have PoC and gay characters" are controversial, which is what people complain about and mean when they say they don't want politics in their games/stories. Of course, sometimes they try being subtle. They'll put in a bunch of gay characters and say there's nothing political about it, they're just gay, are you a bigot? Of course some people actually dislike gay people, but a lot of people just know it's bullshit and those characters are just gay because "muh diversity" or some political shit in the dev's head. For contrats, nobody gives a shit about gay characters in Japanese games/anime/etc. because people know those characters aren't there to subvert shit or preach about LGBT rights. They're either there because the author wants to make some gay jokes or catering to yaoi or yuri fans. It's the entire reason there's such a thing as a "yaoi" or "yuri" genre but no equivalent in the west. Japan has found a niche who wants to see gay shit AS ENTERTAINMENT, while in the west the vast majority of people who write gay characters do it for political reasons rather than entertainment (And since nobody wants to buy political shit, it doesn't grow into a genre).

Of course, SJWs being the retards they are, will tell you that EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL. Therefore, when a JRPG has themes of racism between humans and elves, it's POLITICAL. And they're technically correct, except the majority of people find racism between fantasy races entertaining, and the author likely wrote it in because it's entertaining, not because he wants to preach that racism is bad. Similarly, yuri manga exists because there's a sizeable amount of people who likes seeing girls kiss each other and shit, not because it wants to preach about LGBT rights and the evil patriarchy keeping lesbians down or whatever.

>>14773529

im not so arrogant of character to desire approval or care from others, i will state my thoughts and that will be the end of it

>>14773535

It's just human revolution with an even worse artstyle and no piss filter. I'd give it 6/10 on a good day since it doesn't even have the good soundtrack.

>>14773539

Feel free to, but don't get worked up over people calling you a shitty poster because you have nothing of insight to say or share.

If you want a good story with low amounts of political garbage you have very few options in western media these days. Luckily eastern europe is picking up the slack, slowly. Although there was a lot of gay shit in the witcher games.

>>14772954

Yes, and in Worst Koreas as well. Probably other asian places as well.

>>14773543

Human Revolution was also an 8/10 anon except this game doesn't have cover shooting and let's you play prop hunt in game so it's better.

>>14773550

>feel free to

one did

>worked up

if you actually looked close my friend you will discover that i actually kept my composer all though this debate

>>14773553

freedom of expression/thought

>>14773544

Have you read the books because as far as I can see earth is literally one multiracial ghetto run by the UN. As for mars well done I would have argued that they'd probably be exclusively chinks. But my underlying point is, that this is a liberals idea of what the future would look like if any of their ideas were sustainable in the first place. Plus you only addressed the first half of my post. The Cultures are interesting but contrived as fuck and again based on a materialists understanding of how people work. Just because I'm shoved onto a space station with a bunch of Africans doesn't mean I want to live near them adopt their words or customs or generally interact with them. I imagine you'd see the same sort of isolation that you see playing out right now in the west between the natives and the various invaders.

>>14773567

I'm not saying you aren't allowed to, but if you're so adamant on not having a conversation and just a monologue, why not just go somewhere where you won't have anyone talk back?

>>14772742

>There are conservative shitty games too

Name them. AAA especially.

>>14773582

one explained earlier that one felt that one didn't need to justify ones views to anyone on the site

having said that, though, one would still like to voice ones views around like minded folk, please react and repsond and one will do ones best to engage

>>14772779

>life is sacred

You would quickly learn to think otherwise if you ever live among subhumans, if you do and still hold to this belief then you might be one of them.

>>14773407

I played Diablo II as a kid.

Nowadays the most duplicitous of SJWs can say it's political or some shit because you have a non-white woman as a playable character, but that's because women in anything or simple ethnicities are now heavily politicized. Now you can't barely have women characters without the game being a political warzone in one way or another.

The locales logically existed in-game because your character was traveling the world to hunt down an archdemon, not because of a half assed attempt at "muh diversity".

But I don't think counterpoint is the real response to "everything is political". The real motive for those who try to say such things want government/political intervention in everything one way or another including turning entertainment into propaganda or coercing censorship into certain things. They've already creeped in by turning identity in to a political shitstorm.

I'm for developers pandering and creating the games they want or games for their fanbase. If it's pozzed game I won't buy it. I'm not for attacking developers to make all games pandering to leftists and journos attacking and fake reviewing games for wrong think.

>>14772662

>Wanting to work in the videogame industry

If you have basic coding skills you can actually get a real decent job anon.

>>14772695

>I wish a robot would control my life

Greetings fellow bug, praise our glorious AI leader for providing us an efficient deracinated consumerist hive

>>14772783

>Someone could disagree, so you're wrong

There are faggots who would disagree on the colour of the sky if Trump called it blue

>>14772940

You can still have empathy for someone and not want them fucking everything up. The idea that empathy means "let retarded niggers do whatever they want and also pay them" is a lefty SJW thing

>>14773611

Even Niggers were given life by God, anon. It's just not our responsibility when they waste theirs, you can lead a horse to water and all that

What's your favourite political game? Mine is Donkey Kong Country.

>>14773664

It's symbolic of western imperialism. Those Crocks invade his land and steal his bananas.

>>14773647

It's not racism mate. The "good ones" have absorbed our culture and are probably of higher average intellect. And no in those circumstances on a long enough time scale one is consumed by the other. Living off the land isn't something unique to wogs either.

Also the unappealing bit is supposed to be the poverty nothing else.

Also none of what you've said is wacist mate, this is racism "There is enough empirical evidence that Africans are inferior to other subspecies of man that they should be kept separate and not interbred with at all." I also see no reason why we should have to associate with them and why our governments were hijacked into importing fucking dependents and inferiors.

>>14773491

To be fair that's because the people on the left side of the aisle have declared fun to be illegal because it hurts their feelings.

>>14773665

GAAAAAAAEEM FEEEERYY :-DDD

>>14773651

Tell me more.

>>14772779

>Certain beliefs are facts, certain things are so valuable they are sacred (e.g. life)

I disagree. Life is ended on a regular basis for survival as a necessity.

>>14773697

pretty sure when most people say life is sacred, they either restrict it to human life or they just meant don't murder things for fun or for no good reason.

>Batman

>Social Justice

What the fuck is this dumbass smoking?

>>14773681

There is a reason I said "racist" rather than racist.

>on a long enough time scale one is consumed by the other

I don't think their is any proof of this, US niggers didn't addopt white culture and the whites didn't addopt african culture instead something new came of in the niggers and the whites largely remained the same until fairly recently when the media started pushing US nigger culture as cool leading to more whites addopting it.

>Living off the land isn't something unique to wogs either

Of course not but I have seen first hand many whites give it a go that never would have if it wasn't for the coons encouraging it and I see that as a possitive outcome for both. Whites learnt a valuable skill and coons learnt whites actually enjoy nature too.

>the unappealing bit is supposed to be the poverty nothing else

Disapointing, they could have explored the possibilities and ramifications of a post labour society but didn't.

>I also see no reason why we should have to associate with them

On a personal level that shouldn't come up if we maintain our boarders but it's required on a governmental level for trade due to uneven distrobution of resources.

>why our governments were hijacked into importing fucking dependents and inferiors

Governments like a quick fix, if they want a bigger population for tax and conscription then it's easier to import than create the economic conditions for a domestic baby boom.

>>14773351

I'm honestly surprised there haven't been people pushing this as some Marxist wet dream, what with its huge anti-corporation themes.

>>14773733

Here's the thing culture is in part racially based culture shifts with demographics. You keep trying to shift it to the economy like there isn't someone controlling that and using it against us. As for resource distribution what impact could that possibly have? If a country becomes overpopulate it you don't continue to support the overpopulation.

>>14773758

>culture is in part racially based

Not so sure on that, I have known a few Chinese that moved here as kids without their paretns (not enough cash for everyone to come) and they are Aussie as fuck, same race but completely removed from their culture with no dirrect cultural link.

>culture shifts with demographics

What do you mean here? Hood culture in poor areas vs suit culture in rich ones?

>You keep trying to shift it to the economy like there isn't someone controlling that and using it against us

People want to maximise profits either short term or long, I don't think those controlling the economy care about anything else. Imported labour is cheap labour.

>As for resource distribution what impact could that possibly have?

Australia exports a lot of iron because many moons ago a fucking big chunk of space iron hit us, it didn't hit africa or europe, it hit Australia…. These are the resources of which I speak.

If you want lithium you are getting it from africa.

>>14773696

Simplying putting that you are proficient at Python or any "useful" language increases your chances of getting hired even in jobs that aren't primary coding focused and code monkey farms are always wanting to hire but even being a lowly code monkey gets you more respect than the gaming industry and money too.

>>14773782

>What do you mean here? Hood culture in poor areas vs suit culture in rich ones?

Based Materialist tbh.>>14773782

>and they are Aussie as fuck, same race but completely removed from their culture with no dirrect cultural link.

Consumed by the culture of the larger group, bet alot of them have white boyfriend as well. Funny that.

>People want to maximise profits either short term or long,

No just short term but alot of those migrants from the ME and Africa also become economic dependents and you can look this up.

>Australia exports a lot of iron because many moons ago a fucking big chunk of space iron hit us, it didn't hit africa or europe, it hit Australia…. These are the resources of which I speak.

>If you want lithium you are getting it from africa.

Great but why does that mean immigration is inevitable? Trade can easily exist without immigration.

>>14773782

I should also point out the chinks are still forming enclaves in Oz with entire neighbourhoods in Mandarin.

>>14773050

Underrated

>>14773814

>Based Materialist tbh

No idea what you are on about here.

>Consumed by the culture of the larger group

No shit.

>bet alot of them have white boyfriend as well. Funny that

I know, it's amazing, when 95% of the people they deal with daily are white sometimes they fall for whites…

>No just short term

De Beers Consolidated Mines ran at a huge loss for a very long time because believe it or not some people understand the long game.

>ME and Africa also become economic dependents

That is a burden on the tax payer not those tha benefit from cheap labour.

>Great but why does that mean immigration is inevitable?

When did I say that? I just said interaction at a governmental level is required for said trade.

>>14773823

Yes but isn't the point that got us here, the point was you claimed culture was tied to race and I gave anticdotal evidence to the contrary.

>>14773833

Christ you're thick you're admitting it all but can't see the wood for the trees.

>>14773705

In that case, then I think the proper question is whether or not human judgement is reliable with matters of life and death (war, death sentence, abortion, etc).

People typically mention "life is sacred" line when it comes to abortion, but dump everything else along with. I'm fine with the current decision that it's acceptable to abort a pregnancy until a specific term, but lately it's as if the political pendulum is making wider arcs to one thing or another.

sage for offtopic.

>>14773840

What do you think we disagree on?

The only points I disagree with you on that I can see is you think culture is tied to race while I don't and you think that the government woudln't import labour due to the long term costs while I think it's corporate sponsors that want the cheap labour and don't care if it costs the government.

>>14773847

I think the government is complicit and also ideologically driven and that nature will destroy you for disagreeing with me on that first point.

>>14773856

Stop sperging out and make your claim clearly. Back up why you think culture is tied to race. If you have evidence then post it.

>>14773856

I miss 2015 full/pol/, you are a recent immigrant aren't you? I can tell because you don't get the culture.

>>14773860

Short version is biology shapes the thought because thought is biologically based. You can look up evolutionary biology yourself.

>14773861

Not even going to (you) you.

>>14773874

No you cunt. I didn't ask for the short version. Post evidence of fuck off with your baseless assertions.

>>14773884

Verses yours? No I am going to continue to be lazy.

>>14773884

I haven't made any assertions at all. All I've done is ask for your evidence. Since you have yet to post any you must be a faggot retard. Try not to choke to death next time you go dick sucking.

>>14773874

Actual Biologist here (well Bachelors anyway). Biology effects culture but usually indirectly.

>Western adapt to live in a specific climate

>This climate and life style form a culture

>This culture exists thanks to the environment and adaptations the people made

>However a person brought into that culture can live in it just fine and feel as if they are apart of it because of plasticity

Indian (as in from India) Americans act nothing at all like native Indians and sound/act just like your everyday American for example.

>>14773898

Great now account for mass demographic shifts. Why do you all hate demography?

>>14772606

>Batman

I'd like to know what mr. "Dole" thinks about a certain Anarky story where he builds a brainwashing machine designed to bring about an utopia, only to realize that you can't and shouldn't try to brainwash people. How's that for subtext?

>>14773892

I think the greatest argument against mass immigration is simply looking at what it has done to this website.

>>14772606

Usually before the game comes out or when it does it falls flat on its face. Remember sunset studio making those games that Leigh Alexander did PR/marketing for? It sold like shit and the studio closed its doors.

Remember gone home being hailed as the Jesus Christ of indie gaming. Did you know that they also have gone home in space? The only people who will remember them are people in their social circles as they fade into obscurity because their game aren't financially viable or fun outside people who's social identity is progressive. They can only take and establish franchise that's being milked and tank it because of their personal politics.

These people have a tendency to kill their game by their own hand more than negative criticism and word of mouth can do. All we can do is watch that garbage pile burn so japan and eastern europan games stand above progressive indie games and their AAA bastard spawn.

fuck, I can't keep two thoughts together. I need to sleep

>>14773899

>at the end of it, even if it's an outcome you didn't like or see coming, that you understand that was how the characters I created came to that conclusion

Nailed it. I have had a story bouncing around my brain for a few months about a heros journey that ends with him seeing another point of view and realising he isn't a hero or a villian, just someone acting on misguided beliefs. This is a story they could never tell because you need to paint both points of view in a possitive and negitive light for this to work.

>>14773905

I laught but it was a sad laugh.

I think the only way a game could truly utilise political themes well and without sounding preachy would be somehow to incorporate the whole spectrum of politics without painting any particular ideology as inherently good or bad.

I don't think the industry has a writer capable of it though. Nobody with the talent or unclouded by personal ideology.

Also the game would be be likely be dull as shit.

>>14773970

Play Alpha Centauri.

When companies hired jews and leftists.

As to ending it, simple: kill jews and leftists. For real.

The proper way to use philosophical, political or ideological themes in your games is to choose a theme and build a story around it. It doesn't matter what the details of the story are even about. Most writers for games especially are second-rate by nature and resort to very heavy-handed garbage when they need to make a point, which just comes off as preachy. This way, even if someone disagrees with your idea they can still say they enjoyed an engaging story with interesting characters.

>>14773987

To expand upon this, imagine a game's story as a pizza, and the ideas it is trying to carry as the toppings. The problem most politically charged schlock has is that the writer is obsessed with getting his ideology out there, and has no knowledge or interest in properly storytelling. He puts every topping imaginable on the pizza to the point where you can't even taste the cheese or sauce. A good storyteller knows how not to overload the pizza but the imbiber accepts his toppings as something valuable that added to the pizza overall. That is how you get people to accept ideas.

The line of what political shit I'll tolerate in a game is drawn at the point where the gameplay runs out. Most games these days have shit gameplay, so that line is typically drawn pretty fucking early.

>>14773968

>10 years ago

I'm pretty sure faggots were pushed even back then and you could see many of the things you see now, only now they are a step further. "Stop sexualising women in video games!" was "bikini armour is silly and unrealistic". All that "tolerance" shit about judging a person on his merits rather a prejudice? Was used as a springboard to "if you dislike this person, you are prejudiced". "Greed is bad" is now "Capitalism is bad".

We were, are, and probably will still be for a while on a long slippery slope, only we didn't realise back then due to being too young to have a frame of refference. Do not, for even a moment, think that the things you listed were not just another step down the slope from something else prior to it that we did not experience

>>14773342

Look at this shill trying to have thoughtful discussion about a videogame. Don’t you know that if one anon says anything after 2001 is shit it have to be shit without any other proof?

>>14774024

10 years ago was still the start of this slide into hell, but even then, as they were ramping up, the media which they obsessed over did not push the kind of "politics" that they now bend over backwards to virtue signal for. The elements were there, but there weren't soaked into as many things. It was harder to find as many college professors preaching marxist and gender theory. Antifa has existed in many different ways for a long, long time, but they weren't taking to the streets every other week in cities across the planet like they are now. However, it's their increased aggression when it comes to pushing their politics that has retroactively poisoned a lot of older media. The fact that they can so easily project their extremism onto older cartoons with very mild morals says more about the chaotic nature of their ideology, rather than the ubiquity it had in the past.

Harry Potter, for instance, has been crudely used as a gun control metaphor, even though JK Rowling, a bleeding heart liberal retard, never intended that. She had no concept of gender politics or Trump or anything like that when she wrote those books. She has that poison in her brain now that she's rich and influential, but that doesn't change the fact that Harry Potter featured students and teachers taking up arms to battle their murderous attackers, a seemingly pro-gun message… And that still doesn't stop retards from marching in the streets with "HOGWARTS DIDN'T NEED GUNS" signs at the latest Soros-funded protest.

>>14774060

I assume the majority of them are people calling him out

>>14774044

As much as Bethesda gets shit on for making mediocre games, most of their RPGs they've developed or published do allow you some semblance of that.

>>14774076

And you'll notice that of all the reasons people call bethsoft games shit, politics is so rarely one of them.

>>14774089

Other than MachineGames, it seems like most of the people they publish are sane enough to realize turning their marketing or game into political propaganda would alienate their target audience. That or they realize the hypocrisy of pouring millions of dollars to say ethical capitalism doesn't exist.

As much as political nonsense has made its way into games, it's at least not as bad as film or literature quite yet.

>>14774059

>HOGWARTS DIDN'T NEED GUNS

No fucking shit when you can throw fucking fireballs at niggers who needs mortal weapons like guns. Christ if anything it was a message about how we need weapons that are better at killing things than guns are.

>>14774069

That would explain the retweets, but the not the likes which there are for more of.

Good example:

>Fallout New Vegas

>Each major faction represents both the good and bad aspects of a real world political ideology

>NCR

>A traditional military institution

>Provides training, food and board, medical treatment, employment

<Bogged down by bureaucracy; too much "red tape" and too much micromanagement prevents the institution from meaningful growth

>Caesar's Legion

>Passionate group of warriors who find value in meritocracy, strength, and culture

<Cult of personality whose morals change with the whims of its leader; as a military institution, prone to conquest and bloodshed for the sake of it; can be perceived as barbaric and needlessly violent

>Yes Man

>As a personal assistant, is capable of propelling the courier's vision for the future into reality

<As a personal assistant, is incapable of judging said vision through any given moral lens; his "loyalty" is equivalent to mindless complacency

>House

>A man of great intelligence and resource, he is capable of uniting the wasteland beneath a single banner

<If he got his way, because he is unrivaled, it is possible that he could used his status for his own malicious or questionable ends and without anyone of equal stature to check his conduct and keep him in line

>Wasteland bandits

>Group of free-roaming scavengers who live life as they see fit

<As they lack any sort of structured justice system, their leaders are those who place themselves in the position and who have the means to literally fight off any attempts at a coup

<Prone to brutality, violence, and morally questionable behavior, which therefore gives way to an unsavory way of life (drug abuse, routing killing of human life, rape, selfishness that could be a detriment to greater society, etc)

>Brotherhood of Steel

>Incredibly technically advanced institution; led by some of the brightest minds humanity ever conceived; strong militaristic capability; excels in education

<Isolationists who deign the rest of the world as a useless husk from which they are free to wrest any meaningful discoveries and for their own benefit

>Followers of the Apocalypse

>Humanitarian group that is dedicated to helping humanity rebuild by any means

<Are willing to forego the tenets of their belief system and when it suits their goal (the ends justify the means, etc)

Aside from these major factions, the game will introduce the player to a number of quests that prod the player into, at the very least, taking a glance at his moral compass and using it as a frame of reference by which he may choose to play out the scenario. If nothing else, this gets the player thinking about the implications of his beliefs or the beliefs of the characters he interacts with.

Bad example:

>Assassin's Creed

>hurrdurr Assassins GOOD Templars BAD

<hurr the major philosophical debate is, "freedom vs control"

<hurr Templars believe that they have the right to control humanity

<hurr this is why they need the Pieces of Eden; they want to control people like sheep in order to bring world peace

<hurr the Assassins believe that human beings should have the freedom to choose between right and wrong

<hurr this is why they want to prevent the Templars from acquiring the Pieces of Eden

This is a bad example because the "conflict" is too fucking absurd to take seriously. The Templars are pretty much cartoon villains. OBVIOUSLY, if every human being were controlled by a small and elite group of special interests that can use some magical technology to keep people complacent, then 1) humanity would be none the wiser, and 2) world piece would likely ensue. So, the game uses this nonsensical moral dilemma to skirt around the fact that neither of these factions stand for anything. Additionally, this gives the writers the freedom to pick and choose from examples of real world historical figures and arbitrarily add them to the GOOD SIDE or BAD SIDE, which is something that they likely do as a result of their own personal biases. At that point, the entire franchise then becomes an extremely subtle exposition on the writer's personal beliefs, and nothing more. While that is fine, they might as well circumvent their bullshit conflict and come right out with whatever it is they want to preach at you.

In short, if you take political concepts and interweave them into the game, in order to allow the player to think about how those concepts can be applied, then that is good. If you either 1) tip-toe around the important issues in order to push your own agenda, or you fail to say anything meaningful with the theme you've chosen, then you need to get the fuck out.

>>14774204

That's an actual plot point in the Dresden Files

>>14774234

I keep seeing Dresden Files getting mentioned pretty often. Is it worth reading?

>>14774249

It's pulpy and fun with minimal annoyances for the /pol/ tier sort (except the love interest being a spic for a while and other minor things) but I enjoyed it. It isn't on the level of like The Kingkiller Chronicles or anything but it's OK

>>14774204

>guns

permanent magical forcefield,whether you can bs yourself above nukes or not with magic lies completly in the authors hands. Also didn't voldemort have some immortality thing going on?

>>14774194

That guy isn't disconnected from reality. He's just a hyperconsumer who defines himself solely by the media he consumes.

>>14772708

>if you get punched and punch back you're just as bad as them!

Centrists are fucking imbeciles and universally despised because their only real concern is feeding their narcissistic "I am smarter than everyone else" superiority complex. They have nothing of value to offer to any discussion because they genuinely believe a compromise can be reached that can satisfy everyone even when it makes no logical sense.

>>14774372

Centrists aggee/disagree with both sides depending on the topic. They aren't in the middle of the extremes on every issue. Being a centrists has nothing to do with compromise. It's just lack of clear alignment with one side.

>>14774464

Sure thing, cuck.

>>14774495

>>14774372

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

>>14774524

Only a faggot uses paradoxical Star Wars quotations.

>>14774495

Great rebutal . This is why centrists want to kill both sides. Retards all arround.

>>14774524

And only a beta grimace fuckwit quotes Star Wars when talking politics. You're on the same level as the soyboys that quote Harry Potter, just kill yourself.

>>14774495

Fuck off cancer

>>14774550

And here it is, the centrist narcissism in full bloom. They want to kill us evil right wingers for telling the special centrist snowflakes that leftists have been wrong on every single issue since the dawn of time. Pointing out this simple truth upsets them because it makes them look like the idiots they are, and to the fragile ego of a centrist there is no greater sin than exposing him as a retard.

>>14774565

And now you cry like a sjw. This is hilarious.

>>14774565

>X is wrong, therefore Y is right

You know that's not how it works right?

>>14774589

>right about race

>right about women

>right about Jews

>right about democracy

>right about Marxism

I'm drawing a blank here. What was the right wing ever wrong about?

>>14774605

Hitler isn't right wing. And the left also fucked democracy.

>>14774605

I actually can't think of anything that wasn't leftists pretending to be on the right or things that happened because leftists threw giant tantrums that forced the right to make concessions.

>>14774605

i'd argue that it's wrong about democracy, citizens should be able to form a true democracy not a representative 2 party democracy.

>>14774605

>It's a "All conservatives are Neo-Nazi's just like me" episode

You realize most conservatives would fucking hate /pol/ and are less racist than most Liberals right?

>>14774618

Because modern conservatives are old centrists.

>>14774629

Most conservatives are centrists.

>>14774618

>why do globalists do the Jew's bidding?

I don't know, cuck, you tell me?

>>14774628

Every democratic society always descends into mob rule. The idea of democracy is good, sadly the implementation always ends in a shitshow.

>>14774650

What's right wing about Republicans?

>>14774631

>>14774640

>>14774643

You literally just explained why being apart of a faction instead of thinking for yourself is bad which is what is being defined as Centrist.

>>14774605

Left and right are ill-defined labels that do not make any sense and definitely do not apply to what you just said. If we define right winf as capitalist and individualist, then it should fucking love feminism – pro-individuality of women (as opposed to working with households and families rather than individual people) and pro-capitalism, as you now have women as potential employees as well as consumers that do not need to consult their husband about how much to spend on what.

The things you listed are a traditionalist (or 'reactionary') view

>>14774660

I did no such thing learn to read IDs.

>>14774659

That they aren't as left wing as the Dems.

>>14774605

>>14774643

the majority is incapable to vote for their own interests. This is how democracy fails. Voting is pointless without voters able to choose what benefits the most. Ain't a new concept either. There was some popular guy in rome who already lamented about it.

>>14774660

And we already explained to you that modern day conservatives are shabbos goys. I guess it's not difficult to win an argument for a centrist when they can simply strawman any rebuttal away.

>>14774667

Just kill yourself, please.

>>14774674

>Rome

try ancient Greece. There is a reason why, over time, democracy was phased out in favour of monarchy basically everywhere bigger than a city state.

>>14774667

They are exactly right wing either hence centrists. If they were right wing they would be calling for gun bans to be repealed and for every illegal immigrant to be deported. Not this bullshit of "sensible gun bans" and "a path to citizenship".

>>14774676

>Get's mad

>J-Just KYS

Kek. You haven't explained why deciding on an issue by issue bases is somehow worse than picking a side and sticking with it no matter what.

>>14774681

Maybe you should define conservative then anon because it's clearly not what others would consider conservative.

>>14774681

Daily reminder that the Nazis not only allowed German citizens to own guns, but encouraged them to do so.

>>14774682

Anon, I'm serious when I say you're an idiot. You told us that Republicans are right wingers and when challenged to defend your position you said they are such because "that they aren't as left wing as the Dems".

I don't know if you're simply too retarded to understand how stupid what your typed is or if you're being obtuse on purpose.

>>14772606

The problem with political commentary is that is always done by some faggot with lack of vision and self-awareness, so most of the time is just the author expressing his obvious butthurt about the issue and why people doesn't agree with him. The most ideal would be to not have politics in the game, but in case that the game really feels to make his central point on politics the optimal way is to not going in the route of "ebul racist conservatives drumpf supperters" and make the story objetive and little ambiguous to let the player make his own conclusions on what would have happened next.

>>14774565

>>14774576

>>14774580

>>14774598

>>14774618

Well, seems that the thread is over, the moment when anons start posting images and webms as arguments I know that the next to come is just shitposting

>>14774694

That is literally what it means dumb shit. Being more right wing then the average makes you right wing. You cannot argue for shit so I will come back only if you decide to turn you brain on instead of getting butthurt.

>>14774689

So being a conservative is only giving into half of the oppositions demands in your mind?

>>14774694

Hitler also wanted to Ban smoking and animal cruelty which was very Liberal anon. He also took guns away from certain citizens.

>>14774699

>Being more right than Stalin is being right wing

Christ what the fuck is a centrist then? A commie that doesn't want to shoot his neighbor for having more food than he is allowed?

>>14774699

>Being more right wing then the average makes you right wing.

But the Democrats are not centrists you complete and utter imbecile. They're left, and in an increasing number of cases, far left.

>>14774706

>Hitler also wanted to Ban smoking and animal cruelty which was very Liberal anon.

And? What's wrong with either of those things? Or are you arguing that smoking is good for you, or that animal cruelty should be allowed?

>He also took guns away from certain citizens.

From Jews you mean.

>>14772681

Isekai has been around forever and it is not going away. Gulliver's Travels, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and John Carter to name a few.

>>14774713

>And? What's wrong with either of those things?

Not the anon, but he argues that neither of those positions are right-wing, but distinctly left-wing.

>>14774712

>what the fuck is a centrist then?

A crypto-leftist. I'm serious, push any centrist and it will become obvious they're just leftists using a different label. You'll never actually see a centrist arguing against a leftist, it's always against right wingers.

While not vidya, Monster Hunter International and Grimnoir (same author) are as politically influenced as a work can be and still work. The thing is that while the government being an antagonistic force is very clearly taken from the author's politics, having the government be an antagonistic force is hardly unusual in fiction. The only real person in MHI (Grimnoire is alternate history and has more by virtue of genre, but they've all been dead for 50 years) that the books even get close to attacking is one jab at an unnamed senator who is clearly Harry Ried (then Senate majority leader), and even then it's just him being a bureaucrat offscreen who is making dealing with the government a pain for the protagonists.

>>14774713

>from jews

mainly but also anyone with wrong-think. you know what was illegal? criticizing the nazis. imagine if to be part of america you had to only talk like reddits the_donald and getting banned from it meant you went to jail. have to sing the parties praises all the time

>>14774734

>you know what was illegal? criticizing the nazis

Please source that claim.

>>14774643

>>14774674

i said citizens, not everyone

>>14774741

The Malicious Practices Act of 1933

>>14774734

>mainly but also anyone with wrong-think

And by that you mean Jewish sympathizers and /leftypol/, homosexuals and other degenerates. Basically, people with a proven interest in harming society and belonging to groups that tried to deliver Germany into the hands of the Soviets. Why would anyone be wary of a traitor, right?

>>14774757

thank you china, i also believe individual thought should be stamped out

>>14772606

What he is really saying is that he is too simpleminded to become immersed in a world to differentiate it from the real world, and then claims anything that shows compassion is being political, probably because he has been indoctrinated to believe that everything he follows politically is compassionate and everything else is evil.

If someone watched G.I. Joe's after-episode PSAs and thought "goddamn the social justice here is great", they aren't even qualified to watch television, let alone write a story in any manner.

>>14774754

>The two key guidelines were that of Protective Custody and Preventative Custody. Preventative Custody was aimed at the undesirables within society, for example paupers, homosexuals and Jews. Those who were unfortunate enough to fall into this category could be arrested even if an offence had not been committed. Homosexuality was a criminal offense in Weimar and Nazi Germany.

Oy vey!

>Protective custody, however, was aimed at the regime's political opponents, in particular those from the left, such as the communists and socialists.

Oy gevalt!

>>14774759

What has individual thought to do with the fact Jews and their allies tried to instigate several coups, sabotaged Germany at every opportunity and attempted to destroy its culture and heritage?

>>14774759

Has less to do with individual thought and more to do with commie jews blowing up factories leading to the loss of WW1 and the subsequent murder of many Germans in their homelands by the countries that had stolen their lands.

>>14773755

Because the writer of Oddworld is also fully aware of the shit that marxism and communism have brought on the table. Not only that he's a cool dude.

>>14774722

>You'll never actually see a centrist arguing against a leftist, it's always against right wingers

Correction, you won't see them arguing against neo-liberals. As a result of the media's stranglehold over the status quo over the common man's opinions on current political topics and moral standards instilled by modern society and education, people who don't give politics too much of a thought can be considered neo-liberal by default, and it is from this balancing point where left and right are defined. City folk can stereotype the Republicans to be a gaggle of old racist men, running the world. Meanwhile because the Democrats proclaim to be the default neo-liberals, it's hard for city folk to stereotype the Dems as a whole.

One thing city folk do not understand is how unacceptable the corporate democrats truly are. Yes, it's horrible the republicans appeal to blood gurgling racists as a core constituent. Yes, it's horrible that rural white people can ignore that stuff because it isn't aimed at them personally. It is also extremely horrible that once you've stripped that away and look at policy laid bare, there is not a gigantic chasm between the two.

If a miracle happened and Joe Manchin had lost the other night, I'm sure they could have scrounged up another villain to rotate in to vote alongside the Republicans 97% of the time.

One of the best arguments I've seen right-wing guys use while wading through the mucky-muck, is "if Democrats really believe in X, why didn't they do X during the year they had control of the government?" It gets lost since most people online are not well adjusted people and it gets drowned out by the assertions that our military has time traveling, teleporting invincible Dragon Ball Z powers when it comes to the Benghazi attack. But it's a good argument.

If Obama really wanted to raise the minimum wage even one single dollar, he could have gotten it. Sticking it in the middle of the State of the Union and then ignoring it the rest of time is not an effort. Going on TV and constantly going "why doesn't congress think you guys deserve a dollar? (They gave themselves way more than a dollar, don't u kno.)" is an effort.

Really inspiring, how Hillary constantly kept saying (correctly) the republicans were still going to control everything even if she won. Even if you believe she's really 10% better than our current president, Mitt Romney, it's pretty fucktarded you have to cling onto the edge of a cliff, always one election cycle away from the apocalypse.

>>14774722

Bullshit. Most common is arguing about censorship, both for websites as well as in gaming where they have already chat filters and everything but then don't use them and continue to complain asking for bans for mean words. Fuckers should be banned themself to really rub it in. Secondary the whole welfare mentality with give us more free shit. Even if you don't pay directly in games you pay indirectly as it devalues your own wealth by inflation.

>>14773871

I find this incredibly ironic coming from a guy posting a 15+ unix filename.

>>14774805

Oddworld isn't really political. The general idea being presented is indigenous people being enslaved and exploited by a corporate entity. There is nothing inherently right or left wing about this. Any and all people throughout history can identify with Abe and his struggle to free his people from foreign tyranny, and it's not like the game singles out a specific people or culture as the villain and the victims. It's deliberately cartoony and vague, using the concept to tell a story rather than trying to preach at people, and thus the narrative is universal.

>>14773195

>interesting level design

It's interesting until you realize that the main path has to be tied to the crossbow, GLOO gun or door codes, which means that other abilities can only really lead to item stashes and optional content.

>great story

The intro is cool, but it's mostly just fucking about at that point. It's made worse by the fact that nothing you did actually happened and your ending choice only gives you a seven second cutscene. You know damn well which one is going to be the canon ending for the inevitable sequel too.

>interesting enemies

<everything is a black blob

>interesting weapons

Everything is pretty standard outside of the Q-Beam, and even that works on the pre-existing frozen enemy mechanic. In case you don't know what I mean, i'm referring to enemies shattering when you reach their current health pool.

>>14774845

What's really depressing isn't that Prey is terribly mediocre, but that it's the best System Shock "spiritual sequel" we got in the past decade and more.

>>14774845

mostly just fucking about after that point*

>>14774734

>you know what was illegal? criticizing the nazis.

It wasn't liked but it wasn't outright forbidden. There numerous books that where critical in more than one way that where publish in the Third Reich. If it came to promoting the overthrow of the government, hardcore porn, promotion of degenerate/communism like shit, or religious texts that were not in translated into German there was a problem. And also with this anon stated: >>14774774

>>14774832

I know. But I'd suppose that's also the reason why the lefties aren't leeching on it to death. Because it doesn't outright state what is what and was is right. In fact the new is game is going to show how Abe kinda fucked up a lot by destroying the food production/power structure and how it makes the world hate Abe for his actions.

>>14774722

>You'll never actually see a centrist arguing against a leftist, it's always against right wingers.

right wingers can have their minds changed, leftists don't have one.

>>14774865

Forgot to add Lorne Lanning is also a conspiracy nut, but in a good way.

>>14774865

Oh and the different sections in the Rupture Farms are called Zulags. I never noticed that until recently when I replayed the first game.

>>14774722

if i use /pol i can make anyone leftist too.

the oposit is also true: take the worst and most leftist sjw and he will make the centrist lean to the right.

centrist by definition dislike extreme, so of course if you presure them they will defend the oposit side or rather use the argument from the oposit side.

>>14774865

you don't understand how undesirable can be used against you? free thought is dead from that bill. its beyond retarded to think they would have your best interests at heart when its actually the states interests much like (((communism)))

>>14774865

White rose . Their student group got fucked cause they openly campaigned and warned against them.

>>14774722

B-but I've done that, anon and I'm a centrist.

>>14775010

False. Radical centrism exists.

>>14775083

t-third position politics?

>>14772940

Having empathy or compassion is quite different than going all "Forgive me you big black stud, please fuck my wife and I'll raise your children!". Germans were known during WWII to mostly treat their war prisoners with dignity and respect (unlike USA and Russia).

>>14772916

I mean just look at those square as fuck feet.

>>14775165

I'm aware of NazBols abd Libertarian/Anarcho Communism, but whats that one in the middle? I'm unaware of any political groups that use an axe as a symbol.

i was actually referring to how the original fascists and NatSocs branded themselves as third position but that works too I guess

>>14775247

its a fasces made from snek

>>14775247

You are only right on the nazbol. The ones on the left are anarcomonarchists. And the ones in the middle are liberal fascists.

The OP picture is a basic misinterpretation. He's not entirely wrong, "political" aspects are VERY similar to intentional story telling aspects. However the key difference between good story telling and an agenda is just that- an agenda.

Let's go for an example: One of the characters is a dyke who hates all men because she was raped as a child. Would you be able to tell for 100% certainty there's an agenda behind that piece of story narrative, based on that one sentence? No, of course not. So what else do we have to tell if something is shoehorned SJW shit? Well, the execution of the story elements and looking at the author themselves would be 2 ways. Also generally the obviousness; story's are usually more abstract, so if it takes elements direct from the real world then it just signals their own intent, but that's not really the topic, it's talking more subtle stuff. The truth is there's such a fine line it can be very difficult to distinguish between someone trying to brainwash you and someone being genuine with their walking simulators. Just ignore western games the gameplay isn't fun you can the same experience from a youtube playthrough.

>>14775273

oh and to answer "where do you draw the line?"

there is no line, the line is invisible, you have to decide for yourself if something is "political"

even in something that is intensely political you could still get some good things from a few aspects of the story

like the new god of soy game, I watched a playthrough and although it was boring after a while there was still some cutscenes that hit my heart a little, but that's just me though.

>>14775273

What I think people like OP pic does is that they see political connotations everywhere, even if the creators explicitly say there's none. For example, some brainlet games "journalist" said that Tetris is a statement about "trying to put order in a chaotic world" when its fucking obvious it doesn't try to say shit.

>>14772954

Usually not in terms of that being the length of the public school standard school day, but in that any student who actually wants to make it into the middle-class goes to additional classes after school at a 'cram school' ("Juku"). So many students attend these that they're not just tutoring sessions, but function like a second half of the school day.

>>14775376

Don't they also have clubs to go to and such?

>>14773050

best torfag post I've ever seen

>>14775323

not nessecarily wrong either, you can find your own truth from interpretations of things even if the original author never intended it to be seen in that perspective. But you're right in that he's trying to say that if something alligns with his ideals, even by coincedence, then the author must be "one of us" fighting the good cause

>>14773050

In essence, round up leftists and shoot them. This was, is and always will be the final solution to all of society's ills. Imagine how much better games would be without shrill feminists, soyboys, homosexuals, Jews and minorities screeching at every opportunity that they're too white, too hard, too fun, too masculine. Imagine what humanity could create, both in terms of video games and other developments, if it wasn't being chocked to death by society's feces that populates /leftypol/ and other cesspits and simply exists to ruin things for everyone.

>>14775376

What the fuck do they learn? I'd assume that everything that's in the exams is going to taught at the public school, so what's the cram school for?

>>14775456

To cram.

I mean yeah that seems obvious, but I find it ridiculous that parents would pay to make their kid study stuff they can study at home.

>>14772606

>inclusion

>deep compassion for your fellow man

>social justice

OH. FUCKING. REALLY. IS THAT WHY YOU MOBBED ME AND DROVE ME TO INSANITY AND FINALLY GOT ME FIRED WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT YOUR FUCKING DIVERSITY HIRES SHOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB THAT THEY LIED ABOUT ON THEIR RESUME??????????

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So yes. You are the enemy and all decent people will never lie down until you and your kind have been wiped from the face of the earth.

>>14775456

According to wikipedia they mostly just teach the five core subjects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Japan#Extracurricular_activities

86% of students aiming for college attend, so I guess it must be important.

I do know that college entrance exams are EXTREMELY competitive/tough there

>>14775456

It's probably not about "learning". There's something that's probably somewhat similar in my country but with a different nature (and less hours at least)

You go to school and you are taught all you need to pass the exam IF and only IF you pay attention, do your homework and read about the subject at home or practice.

This seems simple enough but the reality is that if you're not making a conscious effort to learn, you're not actually going to learn much, especially if you get distracted often, something kids and teenagers are very proeficient at.

So there's cram school. You're placed in a room with a teacher that only has about 10 "students" and he is paid to get you high grades instead of just writing shit on the board and calling it a day like in regular school. What this means is that he can give a more personalized teaching, knowing the individual difficulties of the student and seeing when he really learned something or not. It seems that he cares and he does, only he cares about the student's parents believing the money they spend is getting results.

What you learn in cram school is basically what you failed to learn on your own in regular school because you're too stupid\lazy to do it on your own, so you need someone to force that knowledge down your throat.

Also keep in mind that regular schools teach you stuff according to a program so you learn something about the subjects being taught. Meanwhile cram school teachs you according to the exams you'll be doing, they often have copies from past years to base their exercises on and everything. You "finish" cram school and you probably will still be the same dumb little shit you always were, but you'll know exactly what boxes to tick in your exam to pass. So what if you don't actually understand the purpose behind solving basic equations? At least you know this neat formula that you can use on this specific problem to get a result that will give you good grades!

In my country, it's after-school teaching assistants instead for about 1-2 hours every 3 days or so. It happens because the same people doing it are the teachers that will teach poorly in regular hours and then compensate over their "part-time" job where they are better paid, often giving exercises that look a lot like the problems they use in their tests since they have to justify the money parents are spending on their kids. It's corrupt as fuck and unregulated too but either you're smart enough to make it on your own or prepare to pay up if you even want to pass.

If the game is obviously pushing an agenda I fundamentally disagree with I won't play it. It is obnoxiously pushing any agenda I probably won't play it but am much more willing to put up with it if it's one I agree with. The only people that differ from this are centrists who deserve to be shot anyways so who cares.

>>14775423

But that is dangerous. That's how they advance an agenda, that's how they rewrite history because, as you said, they aren't wrong. The problem is that ,by that logic, every interpretation is correct ergo the antithesis is also correcto meaning that this stuff is a paradox and that actually has nothing to do with the game in question. Theorising abut a game isn't wrong but people should treat said theories as that, theories. The world isn't smart enough to see that tho and that's why we are in this position.

>>14775533

This is what I got from my decent games\comics\movies\whatever that ever included political undertones.

They never restricted themselves to a specific viewpoint and left the player\viewer to decide it for themselves. The entire political undertone was used to characterize the characters and immerse the plot, giving the player some plot anchor he could agree with and support, thus creating a motivation to care about the game.

Deus Ex features several different endings with different takes on how to rule a society and even most characters you meet will have different views on the world, but nobody is ever said to be the right choice, especially when you can meet some other character that shows you their shortcomings.

An interesting comparison here would be Fallout3/4 with Fallout New Vegas.

3 was outright against Big Government and painted a very black and white story. You really had no reason to side with the Enclave unless you wanted to be an ebin ebul guy.

4 was even worse since it what little political messages it had were just "small government works best!" and "technocracy is always bad, mmkay?" with the only counterpoint, the Railroad, acting like fucking hippies.

By contrast, New Vegas gave the player several different ideologies to follow and defend, each with their advantages and shortcomings and most people end up going by what they personally value the most, which means that technically there's no superior point of view.

There's a reason why New Vegas always brings discussion regarding ideologies and logistics when discussing it while 3/4 only bring complaints about dumb one-sided flat characters.

Same shit for every "political game" out there that fails to understand this. If you only show a single ideology and only the good bits of it, you're just making propaganda and actively trying to make the player think as little as possible. You're not even being honest as every political ideology has it's shortcomings and the second a player notices them, he'll feel insulted by what he just played.

>>14775614

The original series has interracial propaganda in it.

>>14775441

You know, I was going to tell you that at the end of the day SJW and /pol/tards are not so different. And I stand by that but I also stand that all of that has been a reaction for a cancer that has its genesis on the left. Don't know if that makes people like you better than them. Hell, I like more the right by the mere fact that they look like the sane ones.

>>14775567

>The only people that differ from this are centrists

What? Centrists are the ones that will actually try to see any ideology, even the ones they don't agree with.

The point isn't to agree with whatever is being forced on them but rather to try and see where they are coming from.

For instance, communists are delusional faggots that fail at basic understanding of human nature, but their part of their delusion comes from a worry about worker's rights. Centrists are the guys that will see this and implement laws about maximum working hours, working conditions, minimum wage, etc making Capitalism a more bearable system so Communists can't complain.

Were it all up for the oposing party and we'd all be living in squalor slaving away for fat cats until a communist decided he had enough and bombed a factory killing workers in the process.

>>14775614

>that smirking glance to the camera

I don't recall Star Trek ever breaking the fourth wall like that.

>>14775644

>Centrists are the ones that will actually try to see any ideology, even the ones they don't agree with.

Anyone is capable of ""seeing"" an ideology and understanding it. This is not a trait exclusive to the mystical centrist. The only thing unique about the centrist is his inability to accept the reality of collectivism and an incessant need to uphold counter-productive principles for the sake of trying to remain intellectually superior. I don't know 8chan was namedropped this time resulting in you retards flooding in like locusts, but please go back.

>>14775637

Shit's a pendulum. The more a side pushes, the harsher the reaction you get from the other side.

We only get such a strong right-wing backlash right now because that's how bad the left has abused their time in power, just like they got such a strong presence because of how hard the witch hunts for communists and fags or the racial tension was back then.

They cause the birth of each other since the harder one side fights, the greater the resistance they build on the other side, especially since there's barely any communication going between them, thus tensions simply accumulating overtime.

Although you do have that correct, the right does seem like the sane ones right now and whatever harm they can do to society seems nothing compared to what the left has done so far.

>>14774495

>>14774372

LE WHITE. LE PATRICIAN. LE KEK.

Centrist are not neutral, just moderate on all sides, it doesnt exists but social-democrats are near there

>>14775651

the only reason it doesn't work is because of welfare

>>14773782

Your example is an outlier not a general trend, most Chinese people here don't bother becoming Australian, some don't even learn the language

>>14775665

>the reality of collectivism

Some of us have strong enough character that they don't need to be backed by a large group of like minded people in order to feel validated nor do we need to use the accomplishments of our fathers or fellow countrymen to feel good about ourselves.

There's nothing wrong feeling pride for your nation or your family, but none of that shit matters compared to doing something with your own life and no collective group is ever gonna do that for you.

>counter-productive principles

If you're producing a crappy outcome, you bet your ass I'll be counter-productive. This has nothing with being "intellectually superior" but rather being humble enough to admit you don't hold all the answers and empathetic enough to understand you need to care about more people that just the ones that agree with you. So far it seems neither the left nor the right can do either of these things.

>>14775669

>the right does seem like the sane ones right now and whatever harm they can do to society seems nothing compared to what the left has done so far

That what has me worried. I know enough history to see that this, at the end of the day, is not truth. I can't shake this feeling of me being a fucking useful idiot. That's the biggest comparison between the SJW and /pol/: they not only can't see that they might be wrong but they can even conceive they they could be controlled or/and pushing society to a non return point.

But every path leads to acceleration I guess.

>>14775686

>the only reason it doesn't work is because of welfare

No, the reason it doesn't work is because they gutted the middle class and shipped those jobs overseas. So yeah, it created a ton of jobs as promised… but in Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines. And all the cash they saved by paying them a tiny fraction of what even minimum wage was in America at the time got sent to tax shelters in Europe.

>>14775685

No sometimes it means extremism in another direction like natsoc which is centrist

>>14775686

>trickle down economics don't work because of the only thing stopping it from being even worse

Welfare doesn't work when it's implemented in savage tribes that abuse it all the time, unable to understand it's purpose. Lots of European countries have welfare and they don't have even half the same issues with it America seems to have.

And let's be honest, the only reason you even need it is because "trickle down economics" fucking sucks and is the modern equivalent of slavery, considering how a lot of people are fucked with low-wage jobs working for someone that simply accumulates wealth overtime.

Honestly, I dont know whats worse, your bosses and how scummy they are (lol, I spent all this money so I made no profit, therefore no taxes!) or your workers (lol I have 15 kids, gibs me money!)

>>14775702

I hope you're on this side of the atlantic because that's one shitshow you can only laugh when you have all this distance separating that reality from you. And even then, we still feel the after-effects of whatever happens there anyway.

However I don't think there's too much to fear at this point. The right is a vocal minority, far smaller than the left. Their success thus far is only because a great section of the population, who are quite neutral by nature, saw them as a better answer to their problems. Although the amount of people that voted for Donald Trump was about 50%, the american population that would actually go out in the streets shooting fags and niggers would probably still be about 5% at best.

/pol/ and the like-minded are a bit of a sad bunch that still refuse to understand they were usefull and that's that. They can say and do whatever they want since nobody believes they have power to do anything anyway, and most of their memeing is pretty fun too so whatever. They were indeed usefull, but at least not exactly idiots, unless they believe they still have the same support for all the extreme shit they believe in, I suppose.

As usual, it will be the majority of normalfags that are more concerned with what goes in their yard than in Syria that will keep things swinging towards a neutral position. After that, you just gotta wait for the Left to graduate from college and try to get a job for them to die out.

Unless the Right pulls a Brutus and we get to see Rome falling again. :^)

>>14775749

Where are you guys raiding from?

>>14775533

This

>>14775618

>3 was outright against Big Government

What?

>technically there's no superior point of view

Except for the fact that everything is superior to Legion right?

Due to underdevelopment and ideology of course of course.

>>14775749

Authoritianism is a different spectrum to left right which is economics

>>14775771

B-b-b-but muh whoreshue

>>14775758

5% willing to fight against America is actually a scary prospect for (((them))) though, with ww3 looming shits going to get crazy

>>14775778

Horseshoe fags only have a point when it comes to anti Islam v Islam and that's about it tbh

>>14775719

Anon, don't you ever change. I've several acquaintances that got involved in politics because they wanted to do something positive and the more they pushed, the more depressed they got, finding out how things actually work.

It's a miserable part of society that, just like football is more a business than a sport, the same goes for politics.

You're still gonna get shit since politics affect your life anyway, but separating it from your entertainment is the right stance.

But you should read the academic part of it at least, it's pretty interesting

>>14775732

Why is Bureacracy to the right of Democracy? It's not even a real political model (neither is Aristocracy???) anyway and it's practically an oligarchy anyway so it's closer to Monarchy than Democracy.

You need to redo your shitpost.

>>14775735

>you must be from the group of people I'm suppose to automatically disagree with

>tell me where you came from so I can say the pre-fabricated arguments against that specific group

No thanks, you're boring. Just post "cuck" 50 times already to prove me wrong or something.

>>14775749

Well, it has Socialism in the name, so it's a dead giveaway.

It's actually funny to read on the Nazi regime and the NatSoc ideology since most of what you find are social policies. The economics side practically sees little attention, they mostly believe that once you get the right kind of people in their country, everything will fix itself on it's own like some kind of invisible hand :^)

>work makes wealth when in our modern systems it's believed that the capital makes wealth

That at least they got right. Capital makes speculative wealth that exists only for as long as someone that controls it wants it.

Case in point: farming your own produce produces wealth with work. Selling it for money only produces as much as the money allows it.

>>14775766

>Due to underdevelopment and ideology of course of course.

Fuck, Due to underdevelopment and not ideology of course

>>14775758

This shit is happening in Europe as well. I'm not talking anything like the day of the rope or happening like that. Everyone likes to imagine what would do one side or the other but never say what is the actual tendency and in what the combination of both efforts (from the SJW and /pol/) will result. Minorities have the power thanks to the zeitgeist and Internet and tehy will keep pushing. And I don't know what's going to happen.

>>14775820

I want to know where you're from because I'm curious. Your ideas are so unbelievably entry level and retarded that I've already dismissed them entirely. I'm legitimately just interested in whether you get paid, someone linked this thread in a goyscord, >>>/cow/ sent you here, or what. It's very clear that your posts aren't organic.

>>14775766

>What?

Oh come now, the Enclave is basically Big Government, relative to the very small settlements and groups that compose the rest of the factions.

There's a vibe towards small individual populations like Megaton or Rivet City making it on their own or groups of underdog ideologists doing the right thing (BoS, your father's team). Meanwhile the Enclave has big bases, drops by vertibird anywhere with an actual army and it's controlled by a President who's portrayed has someone that cares so much about America he'll kill several people to safe-guard everyone else.

>Except for the fact that everything is superior to Legion right?

It's the least liked faction except here in 8chan (both for obvious reasons) but I can see a point to them.

The thing about a ruthless marching army is that the one thing they produce in large amounts (besides corpses) is security that they leave behind. Security means business and life can prosper, far easier to craft or farm when you don't have to defend yourself every day. Plus, unemployment isn't a thing, you can always join the army, therefore crime also goes down for another reason too. And the spoils brought back really help the economy.

Really, the only serious issue with the Legion was what would happen once they reached the west coast (if they didn't lost :^) because the moment you have several thousand men who's only skill in life is killing people with no one else to kill… Shit get's complicated really fucking fast. Africa knows this very well.

>>14775781

>with ww3 looming

pffff

That's never going to happen. They'll keep toeing the line close enough for it so the war machine can keep on making money, but they won't cross it since that's when things start to be unprofitable. Don't worry, their greed will actually save America, oddly enough.

>>14775858

That depends on your definition of "equal". Would you consider the concept of rule of law or equal application of the law to all citizens under the umbrella of

>you think people should all be the same

also

>YHVH

>one of the bad ones

I see someone doesn't like tough love and brimstone

>>14775875

IIRC The enclave never did anything governmental. IIRC They were completely and utterly uninvolved in everything except the water purifier. They also had no interest in governing the people of the wastes, just removing them.

>>14772645

You'd be surprised how many assholes at work insist on talking politics. Even before the constant media blitz on trump at all times.

>>14774024

Will & Grace

Sex in the city.

>>14774193

Though I wish Vegas fleshed out the legion, as they were sorely lacking in content, in contrast to the NCR, I did like how factions and companions were portrayed in the game.

>>14775831

Europe is actually a bit more sad in this regard. Our own civility prevents us from overreacting so a lot of crap will come to happen without anyone doing anything about it.

It's funny that the mediterranean countries that had terrible economics are actually gonna get a break this time since a lot of this crap seems to avoid them.

But it's still worrying when you read about all this shit in America and go "Dohoho, those crazy yankees" and then you swipe on Tinder just to see Poison Ivy telling you her pronouns on this side of the ocean. We're lucky that south europe still holds very old traditional values.

>>14775844

You want to know the origin of your opponent so you can use that against him instead of addressing his points. You're more transparent than glass in this regard, please stop assuming everyone is as naive as you are.

It's no surprise that you can't conceive of anyone having a different point of view from you unless he stands to gain something from it because that's how the mind of your ilk works and that will be your downfall.

You'll take it all for granted, the accomplishments of everyone you believe to be in your group and you'll feel entitled to the glory and the benefits just because you're part of the group. It's just going to make up for a very, very awfull awekening when you realize how little you yourself ever did and how little you get from your group afterwards.

We'd all like to be card-carrying party menbers, our job being nothing more than enlightening the masses, but that only happens to the sociopaths or the actual bright ones, not for the "tell me where you're from and I'll imply your motivation"

>>14772662

Id like to work with a small dev group as well, im learning code too so that i can get a job after college.

>>14775858

I think you're a bit wrong there. Being a libertarian (and therefore left-wing) doesn't mean believing everyone should be the same.

Rather, the point is that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of who they are. What they get out of it however is up to them.

The extreme left will tell you that everyone has the right to education and the right to earn a degree that gets them a good job.

The actual left will tell you that everyone has the right to education (an oportunity) but whether they earn a degree and how much it helps getting them a job depends entirely on the individual (the outcome), you'll still have to work for it.

Coincidentally, you do have it correct that the right does come very close to this since they'll willingly take oportunities away from someone because of their race or sexuality or some other characteristic instead of merely caring about the outcome.

>the fact that there are so many people in existence reduces my influence to zero

It's like playing IRL EVE Online :^)

>Maybe bird people will be a thing eventually. Birds are currently more successful in nature than mammals, aren't they?

Sorry but no. There was already an age for Birds, just like there were for Lizards and currently it's Mammals. Some believe Insects are next, considering how crucial they are to many ecosystems and how advanced some of them are.

Just think about it, in a few millenia the human race will be over and the world will be filled with honest working bees, strong ants, big burly beetles and cute moth girls!

>>14775977

>Rather, the point is that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of who they are. What they get out of it however is up to them.

The current left has been very clever in changing this. I remember they use to be all about equality, but they've now changed it to equity, which is different. Equity is a demand for equality of outcome. It's incredible how weasley they've been with it, as it has pretty much usurped equality as the focus and most normalfags think equality and equity are the same thing.

>>14773203

> Lust for money taints everything it touches.

It all depends on the priorii. If said person is making a game to make money, then it is a product and doesn't have the same feeling as if someone made something just for the fun of it or because of expression of art.

>>14773347

Because of control. Every facet of expression must be controlled because it could be used by individuals for self-expression and freedom.

>>14773351

How boring. I don't consider games that are reactions to current cultural dominance great, just ones that pushes and are completely different things with of course it being grounded in some realism.

>>14773970

So basically relativism. Some ideologies and political system can be judge as black or white. Not everything falls under grey.

>>14773987

>Most writers for games especially are second-rate

They are not even second-rate, they are the bottom tier.

>>14774464

Then you are not a centrist, and sooner or later those decisions will have a label. Centrist are cowards who do not want to take action or admit reality, they want to be seen as a special snowflake that everyone can relate to, but in the end everyone thinks of them as cowards for not standing behind for something they believe. This also applies to Hegel and his idiot following.

>>14775732

I don't even consider Traditional a political philosophy. Tradition is the undeniable truths of human nature and what works best in it's favor. Anything modern and post-modern is contrary to human nature and should be abolished.

>>14775858

>Everyone is left-wing.

Since birth I never believed in equality. Only that I should be free to rise to the status of Aristocracy.

>Ancient traditions

Where did you even get this from? Don't highly intellectual minds often ponder on what these were like and consider it true tradition since it hasn't been tainted by retarded ideology. Evola himself and Jung tried to find it.

>>14775944

>You want to know the origin of your opponent so you can use that against him instead of addressing his points. You're more transparent than glass in this regard, please stop assuming everyone is as naive as you are.

I've already established that this isn't my intention. This isn't cuckchan, you shouldn't be so quick to assume malice behind every post.

>You'll take it all for granted, the accomplishments of everyone you believe to be in your group and you'll feel entitled to the glory and the benefits just because you're part of the group. It's just going to make up for a very, very awfull awekening when you realize how little you yourself ever did and how little you get from your group afterwards.

Nice strawman, irrelevant though.

>We'd all like to be card-carrying party menbers

I've no interest in this at all, once again you're making grand baseless assumptions about something I've no interest in discussing.

> "tell me where you're from and I'll imply your motivation"

Whatever brother. If you're not interested in humoring me that's fine. But it seems like I hit a nerve considering instead of just telling me to fuck off you put a lot of effort into defending the fact that your posts are not organic.

>>14775986

>Tradition is the undeniable truths of human nature and what works best in it's favor.

I agree, but when the majority of contemporary political positions regret this a priori, it by necessity becomes a political stance.

>>14775977

>There was already an age for Birds, just like there were for Lizards and currently it's Mammals.

Mammals are only considered to be in their golden age because we are mammals, and we made the classifications. Truthfully, Mammals were never the dominant class - and even assuming they were, they've been on the decline over the last 500,000 years and the disappearance of most species of megafauna.

Arthropods have been the most dominant animal lifeform on Earth since the Cambrian. They still beat us with numbers and variety, but humans are the only species to come close to having a comparable impact on their environment.

>>14775991

>I've already established that this isn't my intention

You can't establish your own intention by stating what it isn't, that's retarded on so many levels, you're actually making this funny.

Intentions can't be proven, only admitted to and even then there's this whole "lying" thing. Good luck proving in written form what goes in your head.

>This isn't cuckchan, you shouldn't be so quick to assume malice behind every post.

Just like you're quick at assuming where someone came from? Or like you're assuming that there must be some malicious purpose like monetary compensation or indocrination behind someone not agreeing with you?

>Nice strawman, irrelevant though.

Hardly one since I'm not using it to discredit the arguments you haven't even said anyway. But you heard from your collective that you can dismiss anything by claiming it's a strawman, right? See what I mean with repeating pre-fabricated "arguments"?

>you're making grand baseless assumptions about something I've no interest in discussing.

You started an argument about someone not wanting to be a part of some big "collective", mate. It's pretty much what you wanted to discuss, unless your point was bashing centrists instead of worrying what your position will be in that collective. You don't seriously believe everyone in it is at the same level, right?

>it seems like I hit a nerve

I could say the same thing about you, considering you seem so upset that someone is rejecting being part of your club.

>a lot of effort into defending the fact that your posts are not organic

Yet another buzzword. Wanna know what's really not "organic"? Your posts are pretty much something that's repeated about 50 times per second everytime someone from /pol/ shows up in a thread. At this point it's not even copypasta, it's synthetic sawdust with long pork.

>>14775994

Think about it like this: There will be no humans around to ruin the world for the moths!

>>14776016

I was making the distintion based on what the dominant group of species where, but I do admit I'm fairly ignorant on the topic when it comes to specifics.

I know there was a time where birds where indeed dominant just like the dinosaurs used to be (and I dunno if the sea-phase where sea-life as the only life counts for fishes, but who the fuck cares about fishes anyway?)

Insects do outnumber us currently and while we can fuckup their environment severely, so can they do to us. It is said that if bees where to die, humanity would follow in 3 days. That's probably exageration, but there's a point there actually.

Besides, don't forget about Australian fauna. We're only the dominant species currently because Aussies are keeping that shit under control.

>>14776052

>Only Catholicism

I would include Eastern Orthodoxy in there, especially in the wake of Vatican II, when the RCC said "let's act a little more Protestant now."

As far as removing the Jewishness, I can't help but blanche at the idea of paganism, not because I'm against it flowering again, but because most self-styled pagans are leftists of some stripe.

I don't have the pictures myself, but there are plenty of mongrels who latch onto European paganism and seemingly have no issue with it.

Until paganism can be cleansed of those rats, the best spiritual tradition Europe can cling to is either pre-Vatican II Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy.

>>14775977

>Some believe Insects are next

Maybe, but probably not large ones, and they wouldn't have a modern society. Humans are simple flesh and bone, but large insects with exoskeletons are very rare due to the square cube law, and primates have opposable thumbs and fine motor skills that let us build all our modern tools.

>>14775986

>post-modern

Yes

>modern

Hey now, a lot of interesting stuff came from defying the traditions of art schools, and advances in technology (i.e. photos to painting) made it inevitable.

Moreover, who decides what human nature is? God? There's so many different gods or religions with different interpretations of the same god, and even multiple sects within the same religion.

Here's something vidya related: I pick law in every SMT game because smiting filth and dropping one liners about justice and shit is cool. Ideologically they're all pretty shitty in their own way and the characters are retarded or short-sighted

>>14775766

>Due to underdevelopment and ideology of course of course.

I don't even mind the underdevelopment it's the dipshit they have for a leader that makes them the worst. If you could just take over the Legion they would be the best faction.

>>14776057

>You can't establish your own intention by stating what it isn't

My intention is discovering where you came from. I'm not sure how this went over your head. You wouldn't be attempted to gaslight this conversation would you?

>Just like you're quick at assuming where someone came from?

Assuming malice to a simple questions quite a bit different to assuming that someone who does not fit the norm in any conceivable way is perhaps not from around here. Saging a bumplocked thread certainly isn't helping your case.

>someone is rejecting being part of your club.

Reaffirming that you are not from here which you've already done multiple times, yet you still allude to being from here. Yes, this seems like a solid gaslighting attempt. I can tolerate a lot of shit but dishonest conversation isn't any fun. See you at the day of the rope, remember, centrists are the first to go!

>>14775944

>We're lucky that south europe still holds very old traditional values.

I'm from Spain, m8. Turns out it's not that great. Maybe it comes by waves or seasons but every now and then shit hits the fan and the narrative progresses a little bit. For example some guys had sex with a girl and she says she gas raped. Don't know if its true, don't care. The amount of virtue signalling, manifestations and misandry is off the charts right now and I swear the media is doing all of that. It's even more strange when you look at videos like embed. All this attention will materialise in new laws, laws that tend to be short sighted and aren't even legal some times because they are unconstitutional.

>>14776108

>I'm from Spain

I wanted to ask, how's the Catalonia business over there?

From my understanding, the entire pro-independence faction is thoroughly pozzed.

>>14772660

Club Penguin

>>14775441

>In essence, round up leftists and shoot them.

Violence does seem inevitable sometimes, but this downward spiral may be well choreographed for it to fly out of control like that. All serious issues distracted, all attention diverted to the frivolous, all frustrations channeled to their own outlets, all anger provided a non-essential rival to combat, all aberration medicated. All political opposition given a pathological name, given controlled leaders, outright murdered.

The violence is only destruction if you can't win the people afterward. We need a leader that can make the simple coherence of opposition an appealing, identifiable, emotional reality. That can make people feel that pain of nostalgia for our ancestors, believe that we can build that world again, save our children, and smash those who would stop us.

>>14776094

>My intention is discovering where you came from.

No, your intention is figuring what my origins so you can select the proper pre-baked counter-"argument" to it. If I said Reddit, it's "here's a downvote, m'lady!", if it's cuckchan it's "you have to go back" and if it's leftypol, it's spamming the BO sucking porky.

I mean, I can't prove your intention of course, but neither can you. The difference is, I know how pointless this point is but you still keep harping on it, ironically ignoring that it went over your head how useless debating intentions actually is.

>different to assuming that someone who does not fit the norm in any conceivable way is perhaps not from around here

Right here: >>14775844 you're implying I'm either a shill, an invader or a troll. All 3 are assuming malice on my part, that I can't possibly disagree with your point of view because those are my beliefs but rather because there must surely be a dastardly reason why someone wouldn't just agree with you.

And for the record, these are nothing but shitposts, ence why I sage. If being polite is a crime shoot me, I didn't even noticed the thread was bumplocked.

>Reaffirming that you are not from here

I took at look at the address bar just to be sure and I noticed it doesn't say /pol/ there. So whatever you think "here" means, you really should go there to make sure I'm not there.

However, I was under the impression the collective we were talking about was right-wing ideology, not /v/, and you'll find that a lot of people really aren't part of that group, even if they like the memes.

Good luck with your day of the rope, hope you don't get too depressed once you discover how little support you'll actually get. It'll be another thing you'll have in common with the communists: complaining that the proletariat volk doesn't understand or support you.

>>14775986

>Then you are not a centrist, and sooner or later those decisions will have a label.

They already do. They are associated with left or right. And depending with whom you argue you get put into the other camp by association of the ideas to the enemy camp even if you have points of agreement. However how accurate is it to put someone in either camp when his alignment with both camps is arround 50%? If the opinions where different to either left/right you might build a 3rd faction but if they hold a mix of left/right opinions being at the center is the most accurate representation of their position. Especially cause it really fits with the image of the battlefield where you stand in the middle and get pincer attacked by both for having no clear alignment.

>>14776140

Yes and no. You see, it's the trendy thing to do and the turbocommies love it. They are the type of people that are against borders but try to make a new country. Just picture California. But at the same time there's people like me. I am nationalistic and I love Catalonia and all of this brings up an opportunity to scape from the EU and the corrupt government that takes my money to pay for other regions debt while here the cost of living is increasing here every year.

>>14776180

There's women of all types. I've yet to meet a full time feminist IRL, I only see hits here and there. I just need to mind my own business or be intelligent.

As an anecdote, my mother is a lot more redpilled than my father.