/v/ - Video Games

>>14745194

Do you really want Nintendo touching F-Zero in CY+3?

>>14745229

I don't. Let it RIP.

>>14745194

>Why do the best IPs get the least attention?

Because Nu-tendo is only able to make the same games over and over, but not much of anything else.

>>14745194

Just let Sega develop the F-Zero franchise, they did a kickass job with GX. That way fans get what they want and Nintendo can focus on making whatever the fuck else they want.

Also is Fast RMX like F Zero or more like Wipeout? I ask because I don't much care for wipeout's gameplay.

>>14745265

>I also want machines to have unique properties more than just having slightly different stats.

Like what do you mean anon? You got me curious.

I just found out that Criterion almost made a new F-Zero game but got cancelled. why?

>>14745433

What the fuck is falcon gonna do? summon an umbra witch, you soyjack?

>>14745469

Anon, F-Zero is an actual racing game where you are allowed to play as other things that aren't just Douglas. What you say sounds more like a crappy spin-off to me, my man.

>>14745418

I would fucking love that, but life's a bitch and then you die.

>>14745469

New, unique ideas? Ha, not on Nintendo's watch!

>>14745513

Implying they can't just lift the racing parts from other F Zero games and add in a robust story mode where you play as Captain Falcon racing and doing bounty hunter stuff with a fun Toku style story as Douglas. You can have both and platinum can pull it off if anyone. You can have all of the features of a normal F Zero along with a story mode with bounties and rival racers man.

I don't want current year devs touching F-Zero

I'd be happy with a port for Switch with extra content

>>14745698

> platinum can pull it off if anyone

I have seen absolutely nothing that suggests this, nor do any Platinum teams have the relevant experience to do the series justice.

Face it, if you truly love F-Zero, you'll pray you never see another game in the series.

>>14745772

Also, why do Platinum's games look and play all the same? Legit question, people keep praising them even though they aren't very original.

>>14746855

Bugs only made F Zero more competitive.

>>14746859

Yeah bugs did that for a lot of games. These games were also extremely shitty and unapproachable as a result of revolving around bugs and broken shit.

You want the game to turn into vid related that's fine but good luck getting anyone outside of a small group to play it with you.

>>14745194

hey OP. Redout

closest thing you'll get.

>>14746879

still waiting on an F-zero mod…. or any mods.

>>14746872

>Fire Stingray

>Not Golden Fox

>>14745265

>I also want machines to have unique properties

Didn't the original game do this with the Wild Goose being wind resistant?

Fast RMX is the best F Zero style game in a while. It's just missing the character and tone of the games but the gameplay is fun.

>>14746869

Expected something insane and hilarious. Disappointed.

Nintendo wouldn't know what to do if they had to make an f zero game

>>14745878

Because they can only do one thing

That's not really a bad thing as they're good at it

>>14746949

>liking not F-Zero with ikaruga garbage on top

Redout is better.

>>14746951

Sorry. This should show it off.

Things to look out for:

>All characters get unlimited super attacks when they're low on health

>Some attacks do more damage when blocked than when they hit

>Mercury has a kick attack that does more than 60% of her opponent's life in a single hit

>Uranus has a near-instantaneous backdash and forward dash that crosses the entire screen, plus a command grab, meaning she can grab from nearly anywhere

>Dragon punches are invincible and can be tossed out without worrying about being punished

>Chibiusa has a screen-filling super that she can spam endlessly once she's low on life

Translation:

Sega made the absolute peak of the series and we're too much of honorablu nihongos to admit defeat, so we'll just let the franchise fade into obscurity instead of at least trying to do anything.

>>14747135

Such is life.

>inovative new gameplay

Why not just make an F-Zero game? It's a tried and true formula, they only ever made two fully 3D ones, and it's been 15 years. This is not a franchise or a genre that is over saturated with games. It doesn't need radical innovation. Just make a new one, and make it good.

>>14745469

>Let me tell you. Captain Falcon is a bounty hunter.

Nintendo literally does not know what a bounty hunter does. Retro brought this up with them when developing Prime 3, saying they wanted Samus to have bounties to hunt on the different planets, and Nintendo said "WTF" to that idea because they didn't know that's what a bounty hunter actually did. I'm not sure even Retro ever figured out what Nintendo thinks a bounty hunter does, but it's clearly not hunting bounties.

A game that mixes Captain Falcon collecting bounties in an open-world brawler and racing would be fucking sweet though.

>>14746872

Fire Stingray was a fucking beast. I struggled so hard to do the late-game (Joker Cup? I can't remember) with the Blue Falcon but once someone told me that mastering the drift with Goroh could make it easier I never looked back.

>>14750004

I think the issue was that Samus being a bounty hunter was a detail added by NoA for the original game's manual.

>>14745194

a new F-Zero is gonna happen, you even have the soyfags complaining about it. Try being a fan of Custom Robo, Sin and Punishment, Burning Rangers, God Hand and Spider-Man.

Yes Spider-Man because we haven't had a good Spider-Man game since 2010, and even that one wasn't as good as Web of Shadows. Like at least with F-Zero and the other games they'll never die like Fire Emblem and Spider-Man, but Spider-Man is stuck in a web of mediocrity, and they keep getting developers without any fucking creativity. Fucking Insomniac? They're just as dead as Bungie, get a proper developer on the games rather than those hacks that are too busy making videos about MUH DRUMPH rather than making a good video game.

>>14747135

Well SEGA has superior developer teams, only Capcom in their prime could compete with SEGA in their prime.

>>14750080

While I wouldn't be against that in time, right now I really just want a normal F-Zero game. It's not like there's any shortage of open world GTAlikes in existence right now. If you want a futuristic racer, there's not a whole lot of choice.

>>14750080

That's not a Spider-Man game, it's a Miles Morales game. Non combo based combat in a fucking Spider-Man game? Fuck Insomniac and fuck Sony.

but yeah, I could see them making a new Startropics to replace traditional Zelda, while Aonuma is recreating Skyrim again.

>>14750103

>It's not like there's any shortage of open world GTAlikes in existence right now

There is though, GTA has a fucking monopoly on the open world sandbox genre. Last time GTA got a competitor was Saints Row 2, now they're making games about giant dildos fucking the corpses of rich business men.

Sega is too busy to be hired by Nintendo to make another F-Zero of the quality of GX. All of the best Nintendo games are made by Sega alumni.

>>14750103

Fair point, I would love to see that too. I am just speculating what options Ninty has available; but yes - a normal F-Zero game would be the best. Shame it'll never happen

>>14750104

Wario Land's license got renewed: maybe WL5? I have way too much hope. There are way too many options, so Nintendo will probably not come up with anything world-breaking. However, with Switch CFW around the corner, and some ambiguously quality games, a Switch is becoming more and more of a nice handheld console.

>>14750111

There's Watchdogs, and Yakuza, and Just Cause, and Beyond Good and Evil 2 is said to be a kind of sci-fi GTA.

I'm torn. Do I want an F-zero game like Fast Racing or do I want one built in Hedgehog Engine?

>>14750141

>Ubishit

disgusting

>Yakuza

Completely different, the hub is more like a JRPG than anything.

>Just Cause

Also very different, gunplay and driving is also pretty shit. Which is one of the core features in these games.

>>14750136

I'm the same way anon. I'm too optimistic. I wanna see a new Custom Robo, I want a new Spider-Man game done by a good developer, I want a new Devil May Cry. Sadly I'm let down for the most part. There are good games coming out still like Ruiner, Cuphead, Nier, Nioh, Yakuza 0, Titanfall 2, Xenoblade 2, Mario Odyssey, etc. However the series that I want to see make a comeback like Custom Robo and Devil May Cry 5 never see the light of day. I'll probably get lucky with DMC5, but I don't see a new Custom Robo happening for a long time. Although I still have a shred of hope.

>>14750220

I didn't say they were all good games.

The other thing I thought about F-Zero in a thread forever ago was that it could have a dirby mode about wrecking other racers. The other mode is a stunt mode where the more high risk maneuvers you pull off the more points you earn and therefore more speed. And since the focus is online multiplayer the variety of modes and different leagues for each would naturally bring innovation. And different modes have different metas.

Bounty hunting would be fun as a spin-off game.

>>14750275

Death race was a thing in X. I don't remember if it came back in GX.

>>14750275

F-Zero X had a "derby" mode where you go in an infinite loop until you are the last one. Basically space-nascar.

>>14750275

I would also enjoy longer races. I'm the kind of sperg that enjoys long races like MotoGP and F-1, so I would love something like a 15 lap race mode or something.

>>14750286

>>14750289

Was wondering if they did that. I missed out on all three F-Zero games. Only game I have is the GBA one via ambassador program on 3DS.

>>14750321

Dude, the SNES and GBA games have no resemblance to X, AX or GX. They are fucking lame when you compare them to the 3D counterparts, really. Get an N64 emulator and try X. You will love it. Also the music is badass.

>>14750350

See Nintendo, this is what happens when you don't release new games or have proper re-rereleases of old ones. You drive people to piracy.

>>14745194

>Why do the best IPs get the least attention?

Because the best IPs don't rake in money

>>14750481

>Oh yeah, that sure worked out swell for Star Fox.

Personally, I think Fire Emblem is the first series that comes to mind as being "helped" by this phenomenon.

>>14750506

>Personally, I think Fire Emblem is the first series that comes to mind as being "helped" by this phenomenon.

Smash only helped get the games localized but in the long run the audience wasn't profitable enough for nintendo, so they had to throw 80% of the franchise out the window to pander to a new audience globally with awakening.

The only thing smash does for any franchise is make nintendo test the waters cautiously only to pull back after not enough return on investment

>>14750481

There's a eagerness for a new Starfox. Nintendo just keeps mismanaging the franchise. Plus, the last one was Wii U exclusive.

>>14745448

http://archive.is/T9tBL

Back in 2011, Nintendo of Europe yes, really asked Criterion to make a quick vertical slice F-Zero to be revealed alongside the Wii U's first appearance at E3 but because of prior commitments with Need for Speed they couldn't spare the resources to even begin it.

>>14750004

>>14750021

>bounty hunter

Wasn't NoJ reasoning was that they though bounty hunter equals mercenary AKA a gun for hire to various missions (instead of hunting down a singular target)?

There is something amusing about this though

Samus Aran = NOT bounty hunter but a mercenary

Captain Falcon = Actual bounty hunter?

Star Fox = Mercenaries (or SSBM trophy description of "band of adventurers-for-hire", SSBB has "commando unit for hire" and Smash 4 NA version has "the mercenary unit Star Fox")

>>14750506

>>14750534

>Personally, I think Fire Emblem is the first series that comes to mind as being "helped" by this phenomenon.

I'm getting sick of hearing this, it's already been confirmed by a IS dev that the success of Advance Wars showing that turn based strategy can sell in the west is apparently the major driving reason for FE7 getting localized (having a good tutorial prologue for newcomers in both series also helped).

http://archive.is/ivcTE

For all these efforts to make Advance Wars’ appeal as broad as possible, there were still no plans to release the game outside Japan, just as the previous games in the series had never seen an overseas release. “When I joined Nintendo,” says Nishimura, “I was told that these kinds of games would never be successful abroad, because they were turn-based games, and turn-based games weren’t appreciated outside Japan. But we decided it was because these kind of games were too complicated. People are used to action games and shooting games, and in those all you have to do is press the A button and the B button and you’ll soon understand how to play.

"But for SRPGs, you’ve got to know the rules before you start. So, with Advance Wars, even though there wasn’t a plan to release it outside Japan, we made it really easy to play. We put a really good tutorial in, so people didn’t need to read the manual. And when the US marketing people played it they came to us and said: ‘But this is great! Why can’t we sell it over here?’ And it seems that Advance Wars’ success shifted Nintendo’s attitude over western tastes.” Nishimura, who also worked as director on Fire Emblem, makes it clear that game would never have been released in the west had AW not paved the way.

And if you still aren't convinced think of it from a practical financial perspective of localizing FE to the west. What is the major way to know if the turn based strategy RPG of FE can be sold to an audience here? What is most likely financial choice NoA made?

A: A turn based strategy in a very similar genre from the same dev selling well?

B: Two characters in a cross over fighting game that aren't even playable in FE7?

Going with option A sounds smart, going with B sounds ridiculous, while a majority A with a little B could also be possible

>>14746872

>Captain Falcon being the face of the franchise is pandering to the casuals who never mastered the Fire Stingray.

Captain Falcon was the face of the franchise since the SNES game, dingus. Why do you think he and the Blue Falcon are front and center on the cover? Why do you think the Blue Falcon is the default selection in the character select? He was always the main character. Goro was only ever meant to be the rival, shown by how he's also on the cover, but behind Falcon.

>story in a racing game

who gives a fuck, make another f-zero game nintendo. fucking cunts.

>>14752159

F-Zero is known for having quite a deep lore for a racing game (SNES manuals, comics, an anime, pilot profiles from GX and then the story mode itself.)

>>14750004

A meme game where you hunt down criminals as Captain Falcon in order to fund your galaxy wide racing ambitions is the only thing I expect from F Zero. You can have everything play like GX from a racing perspective. Just let Platinum handle the character action side. I want to falcon kick in 3d space. I want to taunt and pose for style meter, I need it.

>>14745194

Why don't they add what Quantum Redshift had as an optional mechanic: shield, homing, and non-homing item pickups? They weren't Mario Kart random, they were clearly marked. Being able to modify stock vehicles could be added. Different speeds for different difficulties, plus a higher difficulty that makes you go even faster than what your norm max speed would be. Taunts. Online play. Mission mode. I mean shit, just a thought.

>>14745498

I didn't get that impression until 2048, and I didn't like 2048 that much since you unlocked ships at a very slow rate.

>>14747086

Thank you very much.

>>14750373

>have proper re-rereleases of old ones.

man, i really wanted F-Zero X (preferably with that 64dd expansion) on 3ds.

going fast in stereoscopic 3d would have been sweet.

>>14745498

>Weird hidden stat

Literally every Wipeout game has a hidden weight stat for ships, it's not really weird.

>>14752665

I didn't imply anything was wrong with it, it's just that one would assume promotional games by a toy company to not be better than a AAA developer's long running series.

>>14752689

>"hidden"

I haven't checked this but I suspect that more handling = less weight

because real cars are like that

>>14752736

No there's a literal hidden weight stat separate from handling, some fags on WipeoutZone have been reverse engineering the PS1 games.

The problem with GX is snaking, really.

>>14752951

>The problem with GX is no X-Cup, really.

ftfy

>>14752945

>>14752736

>>14752731

>>14752689

The hidden weigh stat differentiates one ship from another with weigh placement. Depending on the ship design, the back end may swing outwards more so than the front, or vice-versa. The weigh also dicates how long you'll stay in the air when you go over a bump, hence why lighter ships can sometimes perform barrel rolls over small bumps whereas larger two/three-pronged chassis ships don't have as much time for it.

>>14753112

Why did you quote someone talking about a Lego game?

>>14753204

my b

Who the fuck would develop it, though? EAD has been dead for a while and nu-SEGA only knows how to rehash Sanic and Yakuza now – they haven't even worked on an actually good racing game since OutRun 2, over a decade ago. I think we should just be glad that X and GX are as amazing as they are and leave the franchise alone, or else we set ourselves up for inevitable disappointment.

>>14754314

>unbalanced

Nigga, do you even play for time in solo mode?

I'll concede some of the glitches in X are pretty dumb though, like sliding along walls to go faster.

>>14754695

Nigger, Black Bull and Fat Shark are stupidly overpowered due to snaking. That's why GX Unleashed was made.

>take GX

>give it 120/144 fps support

>balance stuff so there aren't only two or three viable vehicles

>slap some more story missions

>online mode with multiple gamamodes

If there are any developpers in this thread, I sell this idea for $1.000.000.

Still never got a sauce for OP's webm song.

>>14755277

At least you got sick dubs.

Bramp.