/v/ - Video Games

>>14734849

I've never used it myself, but apparently not.

>>14734878

Fuck, I was hoping to cheat my way into Nip.

>>14734849

I tried using it and it really wasn't suited for reading japanese (or at least how I learn written japanese). It didn't focus enough on your actual reading ability and the ability to replicate the sounds in your head. It might be useful if you want to understand anime better though, I recognised a lot more spoken words.

If you prefer figuring out things for yourself (or using it as a supplement to better teaching material) it might be quite good.

>>14734849

>>14734849

The issue with Duolingo is that it teaches you phrases rather than acting as an aid in you in learning the language.

Sure you might pick up sounds and pronunciations but you could do that nearly the same way by just using flash cards without getting stuck learning one sentence over and over.

>>14734849

>but does it actually work anon?

Fuck no. I used it diligently for about two months and learned almost nothing. I knew it was useless by the time I was about a month in, but I wanted to keep going to see if it would ever change. It didn't. In addition to the app itself being buggy as fuck, (there's a great one where if you rotate the screen, it will automatically fill in the correct answer) the learning structure doesn't make any goddamned sense, and it often expects you to infer things that would be literally impossible to infer, which it will punish you for not doing. For example, absolutely everything relating to grammar.

Its teaching is focused entirely on hiragana, katakana, and vocabulary, but it then gives you none of the tools to use them for yourself. There's no explanation for why a kanji will make a different sound one moment to the next, so you're really only memorizing which one makes which sound in the context of the specific sentence, without understanding why. If you don't remember which sentence it is, too bad, fuck you. If anything, it's a glorified phrasebook with a memorization grinding game gimmick. To look at it another way, it's like Anki without any of the things that make Anki work, or even useful to anyone.

I made it more than half way through all of the lessons, and gauging from the volume of lessons I'd been through, versus what remained, there's absolutely no way it could have taught enough vocabulary in what remained be anywhere close to enough for literacy, and that's making the assumption that its teaching methods worked in the first place, and that all you needed was vocabulary. The fact that it doesn't teach grammar is enough to say that it doesn't really teach the language, but how few words it teaches makes it a joke.

It's very much a modern, "gamification" kind of thing, and it sticks to that philosophy well, with streaks and perks, and pointless social elements, and a cash shop with a fake currency, and constant reminders that you're doing a good job. It's about feeling good that you're doing it first, and about making progress second. I finally dropped it when it started failing to save my streak, and then tried to play on my emotions to browbeat me into paying real money to restore my streak, which by the way, is one of the only things that you can't buy with the fake currency points that you get for correct answers.

That's really the perfect example of why it's so bad for something like this, and why it's so insulting. Cash shops are insulting on their own, for reasons that everyone on /v/ knows, but it's not even about the money, it's about the philosophy. Let's assume for a second that losing the streak wasn't a bug and I really did fuck up, and let's assume that you could buy the streak restore with points instead of real money. If it happened to you, would buying the streak restore actually bring your streak back? It does in the context of the "game," but the reality is that you dropped the ball, and in the back of your head, you fucking know it. You didn't learn that day, the time is gone, and nothing can bring that time back. Learning a complex skill like a language takes serious discipline, and a major commitment to self-improvement, and you can't just buy that. The fact that you failed is the evidence of the need of self-improvement. By pretending to wash it away, you rob yourself of the lesson to be learned, which is that you need to do better in the realm of self-discipline, and you rob yourself of any potential growth that lesson could have led you to, to do better in the future.

The people who are going to pay real money so they can protect their emotions and pretend like they didn't fail are the ones who need to understand that they failed the most. These are the people who rationalize eating like shit when dieting and then wonder why they're fat and continually depressed about being fat, and why dieting is "too hard" for them. You don't learn a goddamned language, or anything for that matter, by not acknowledging your failures, least of all failures in the realm of self-discipline, because every other thing worth learning hinges on it. I know that because I'm guilty as fuck of it.

This failure to separate the game from the reality of the supposed goal, self-improvement in the form of learning a language, means that they either didn't think this concept through when designing it, which is likely, or they deliberately designed a shit system with the goal of fleecing weak people who can't handle failure out of their money. Considering the play on emotions, I don't think you can rule out the latter.

>>14734849

Not if you want to be able to read.

>>14735746

If you've been studying every day for a year, your best measure of progress would be to see what kinds of things you can read.

>>14735937

read Tae Kim, and by the end of the first two sections, pick something really simple to read, and see what you have trouble understanding. That should give you at least a little bit of an idea as to where you need to focus your efforts.

>>14735937

Learning kana is really easy and fast and after that you have to figure out the best way to go from there. You have to learn Kanji, Vocabulary, and grammar. So far I've tried just grinding out Kanji but I forget shit because I am not actually using it. Right now I'm trying out Genki and it seems okay but it's a little too dry for my taste. I think next I'm going to try using the Tae Kim app with a knaji practice notebook to write stuff out as I go.

>>14735999

>but I forget shit because I am not actually using it

That's what Anki is for.

>>14734849

It works but there are more efficient ways to learn. that said a lot of the practices prone in this thread promote are also inefficient so who even cares

Just getting started. I'm using realkana and namasensei's videos at least until I have the hiragana/katakana down. Judging from his playlist I don't think he'll be much good for anything past that, but if I can get that far it's a start. Anything else I should use starting out besides those two?

>>14735937

As others pointed out, Tae Kim is a great source for grammar.

>>14738262

Nama is more of a meme than anything. His videos are entertaining and even motivational, but not very useful as actual learning sources. Not saying don't watch them, just keep that in mind. If you want videos for learning, the other ones in the OP like Japanese Ammo are good when you get into grammar. For the kana, you don't need much as long as you're learning them with the correct stroke order and their proper pronunciation.

>>14738291

>as long as you're learning them with the correct stroke order and their proper pronunciation.

Which requires a video, because you can't get pronunciation without hearing it. If what I'm doing is enough for kana than I'll stick with it, unless you think I should be doing something else at the same time

>>14738407

technically (if you're a native English speaker) you can learn pronunciation by looking at a chart and seeing which vowels correspond to certain English words. Other than the R, all the sounds have an English equivalent.

>>14738414

Yeah, Japanese sounds have a lot less ambiguity than English. They are pronounced how they are spelled, all you have to do is know how to pronounce あいうえお

>>14738420

it's less about japanese being less ambigious and more about english being a stupid language.

>>14738420

Like I said I'm only just beginning, but so far I'm already being told that え is a short e as in egg, while せ is almost exactly "say"

>>14738991

who the hell told you that? せ is the same as え, just with an s in front of it. It should pronounced like "sex". え isn't pronounced like "egg" either, it's the e in "neck" or "check". えい or ええ are pronounced like "egg" and "say"

I haven't watched many of his videos, and it was a while ago, but doesn't Nama-sensei pronouned て like "Tay"? That's not correct.

>>14738991

If you've ever played MGS, you already know how to pronounce the vowels.

>>14739016

It's not really a good idea to try and use English words as examples of how to pronounce something, since different parts of the world can pronounce them differently.

>>14739038

that's a good point, but I've never heard anyone, even a non-native speaker, who pronounced "say" the same way that せ pronounced.

>>14737130

>that said a lot of the practices prone in this thread promote are also inefficient so who even cares

Explain. By all means, if you think we can be doing something better, then say something. Like >>14735638 says, you can't improve if you don't realize how shit you are in the first place.

>>14739203

How shit is Japanese classes?

>>14739210

They're not terrible it's just that they're slow as fuck. I went into the 'enhanced' version of the course but it doesn't teach you anything new, it just makes you do four assignments for an additional 10 credit points.

>>14739222

They should just fail.

>>14739174

There's no way my Hilda's smile is this cute…? I tried. At least I know the words in this one.

>>14739332

Where the fuck did I get smile from?! Gotta pay more attention. In any case, I should've spotted the parody.

>>14739393

>tongue

or rather where the sound is created

>>14739174

I don't understand this わけ after 可愛い.

Is it "reason" 理由【りゆう】? Because my dictionary says わけ is an alternate reading for it.

At the moment, I need to translate a sentence in its literal form before understanding it, so:

>俺のヒルダは

Regarding my Hilda,

>こんなに

this way

>可愛いわけがない

cute reason don't exist(?)

I know it sounds funny, but I think when I try to modify a sentence to make sense right of the bat, I often miss some key elements.

>>14739393

>>14739016

How the fuck do you niggers pronounce "egg" that doesn't sound 75% "ayy"? For that matter, how the fuck do you hear "onee-chan" that isn't very obviously "onayy-chan"? Of dozens of Cambodian mud drawings, I've never once heard anything like "onehh-chan" or "nehh-san."

>>14741243

The meaning of わけ there is reason. The reason something is the way it is. There's no reason, it's illogical, there's no way my little sister is this cute. Also, depending on your dictionary, わけがない may have it's own entry as being an expression. It may help you with the occasional confusing passage in the future to keep in mind to check for expressions in addition to single words. I also suggest checking a Japanese dictionary when stuck because sometimes it's just the JP > ENG or lack thereof for certain definitions that can throw you off.

>>14741335

>how the fuck do you hear "onee-chan" that isn't very obviously "onayy-chan"?

I definitely hear "ayy" in the video, even though I usually hear "え" as "ehh".

It does sound like "ehh" to me when I put お姉ちゃん in google translate though.

I'm not a Japanese expert or anything, so I don't know what the deal is, but I DO know from the romaji that onēchan uses the "long e", so maybe it's not the best reference when trying to figure out how to pronounce "え", which by itself is just a "short e".

>>14741335

I pronounce egg as aygg.

え is eh, 2 え sounds is ay.

姉=ah-neh

ねえ=nay

上級者に面白い勉強方法を知ってる？最近は怠けて、日本語力が錆びてるような気がするんだなー

ankiを使ってみたけどつまらなかった。他の学習者や日本人と話すこともいいけど、ほとんど趣味とか違ってる人々だから急に興が冷める。

YOU HAVE TO PRONOUNCE ALL THE EGGS

>>14741335

>How the fuck do you niggers pronounce "egg" that doesn't sound 75% "ayy"?

Egg is a terrible word to use as an example, since it's affected strongly by accents. I say Ehg, but I hear a lot of people around me say Ayyg.

Ayy isn't equivalent to え, because Ayy is a diphthong between え and い. え makes the "Eh" start, and い makes the "ee" end, like i sounds on the end of words, like pepperoni. While making the い/ee sound, the mouth is more closed, and the tongue tensed and closer to the roof of the mouth. If you know anything about music, Japanese uses the same vowel pronunciations as solfege. It's Do, Re, Mi, Fa, not Do, Ray, Mi, Fa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong

That said, I do hear Nips make the Ayy sound now and then. I don't know if there's a specific circumstance where they do it, or if it's just an accent.

>>14741593

no. two え is just a longer "eh" sound.

>>14741760

Obviously the best way is to play games.

>>14741997

>>14741335

This is why I told you niggers not to use English to compare pronunciations. You are just confusing each other.

>>14741997

It usually depends on the person. Sometimes you'll hear Ayy sometimes you'll hear Eh for the same words. One exception is that if the word is katakana, it usually will never be Eh it will be Ayy.

Example:

レート > rate > re e to

レイプ > rape > re i pu

(can't think of katakana words that don't follow this exception^)

In Katakana, it's "ayy" when:

>Any extended "エー"

>Any "エイ"

>Any "エィ" with a half-sized イ.

>>14742132

extended will sound Eh though

ゲーム ge e mu

プレイ pu re i (as opposed to pu re e)

>>14741335

To be clear about this, it is not technically supposed to be pronounced Ayy. It is and always will be an extended Eh. However, everyone's way of speaking is different, especially in anime. As long as you don't over pronunciate the "i" (or "Ayy" ) it should be completely fine. Remember though that it's always written onee chan

>>14742132

Long vowel えい・ええ　is usually "ayy".

Even the short vowel えcan be "ayy", but it's usually "eh". It varies a lot, but the Japanese don't distinguish between either sound anyway, as they're considered the same phoneme. Technically only the length in terms of timing sets the long vowel apart versus the short vowel.

>>14742835

Is that a fucking mouse click?

What's a good pace to go at with learning hiragana/katakana. Currently I'm aiming for about 10-15 characters per day. When I say learned I mean I can write them all from memory and generally recognize them in all the fonts available on realkana, though I'm not exactly quick on either.

Obviously go at your own pace, but at the moment I kind of want to do more but I'm also worried about trying to go too quickly.

>>14743045

They're not that complicated, so you should be able to do them all in a weekend, or a week at most.

>>14743045

you can't go too fast with kana, since it's a relatively small and simple set of characters. You can go too fast trying to remember kanji, when the characters are much more complex, and you also have to remember a lot more information about them, while trying to learn hundreds/thousands.

need some childrens book or comics to read

>>14743088

https://mega.nz/#F!UexWwLLZ!AbtT0qJTpdByNgsUDpQihA

>>14743108

Start at the beginning, or is there is best order?

>>14743114

is there a*

Post ridiculous mnemonics you use to help you remember vocab.

Some of mine:

第一話 - だいいちわ - chapter 1 - Die, ichy wart

逃げる - にげる - to escape - That ni-ge-ru barely managed to escape the police

調査 - ちょうさ - to investigate - That chode saw too much, so the FBI launched an investigation on him

残る - のこる - To remain; be left over - There was no coke left in the room of the crime scene

欲しがる - ほしがる - to desire/covet - That hoe, she wanted everything at the garage sale

運動 - うんどう - exercise - I always workout in my underwear

下着 - したぎ　- underwear - she put tags with my name on all my underwear

Some words with 3-4 + kanji are harder to make mnemonics for, so I've taken to just remembering what the individual kanji reading is, then combining it all.

横断歩道 was a bitch to learn, but I eventually got it.

>>14743158

I haven't bothered with mnemonics for pronunciation, only to remember kanji shapes.

>>14743139

>Heartcatch and Go Princess are typically thought of as babbies first because they contain more action, less girlyness (if you're a fag and that's a problem for you), and a tighter and more directed plot, among other reasonings.

I'd prefer the opposite anyway, with cute girls doing cute things, maybe with the occasional battle

Any good resources for Japanese pitch accent?

Dogen says apple has a translator that incorporates a pitch accent variable to each word that indicates which syllable has the 'rising' emphasis sound.

(vid related)

Any PC alternatives? It sounds like this would be extremely helpful with correct pronunciation.

>>14743403

I don't think that's something you really need to worry about, especially at a beginner level.

>>14743403

Honestly I never bothered with pitch accents and still picked up on it naturally by listening and speaking with natives.

That might be something I'm good at, so it may not work for you. I suggest listening to japanese let's play channels (if you're skilled enough obviously). They're a pretty good source. You can also add japanese people and play games with them. Most of them are understanding and don't mind that you're a bit bad at japanese and are still learning. In fact, most of the japanese friends I met were impressed and happy that I was learning their language so it was no problem at all for them. Just make sure to ask them to correct your mistakes and pronunciation errors otherwise they won't do it out of kindness.

>>14743527

Second that.

>>14743084

何だよ、この糞ビッチ。

>>14745130

やかましい女

>>14741335

>>14742829

Honestly, my native language has %95 of the sounds pronounced almost exactly the same as usual romaji. English natives talking about ayy's and eh's always looks weird to me, you guys have so many sounds and yet can't pronounce them alone for shit because of the spelling.

This shouldn't be so hard, it's not like there are tones like in Chinese.

>>14743403

Pitch accent is overrated, only idiots make a big deal out of it as if no one can understand you without it. There's no unified pitch accent in Japanese, and I think Touhoku or somewhere around there doesn't even have it. Some areas like Kagoshima prefecture also have dialects with wacky pitch accents, if natives can understand them they won't care if a gaijin speaks with flat or half assed pitch accent.

>>14745573

Is your native language Spanish? I remember someone telling me that they could basically read japanese as if it were Spanish and it would sound correct. You're right about English, the pronunciation of this language is pants-on-head retarded, and a staggering number of people (in America at least) still don't know the correct way to say a number of words.

>>14745605

https://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%84%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A0%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B

It's just more polite.

>>14742829

Wait, "ayy" isn't pronounced アイ?

Ah, so it´s basically a humble version of 来てくれる? Thanks for the quick explanation. I have seen it more than once and my fault was that i always separated the words wronlgy. Kana is a bitch.

>>14745669

If that's what you think, you're reading "ayy" differently. We should just stop this, it's not going to help anyone and it's easy to find spoken samples of words online if you need to confirm how something is pronounced.

This >>14745674 is for >>14745623

>>14745669

see >>14742081

>>14745674

You've surely heard いただきます before though.

>>14745691

Yeah, but as i said before: I always thought that the word has to be separated by 来ていた + だける。That was my main mistake. I heard about いただく, but never the specific form of いただける which kinda threw me off.

Although I've learrned Hiragana and Katakana, I get paranoid about words. Sometimes I feel I don't remember them correctly or like I'm reading them wrong. It's not the words themselves but the characters, and then I get even more paranoid when I can't find what I'm looking for in a dictionary.

>>14745669

That looks like "Aigh" "Eye" or "I" to me. To get "Ayy" I would think you have to hold the sound longer.

>>14743663

Sounds interesting. Got a link?

>>14745773

Can you give an example of what you're struggling with? Are you talking about kana or is kanji the problem?

>>14745870

I haven't even started on Kanji yet besides basic stuff like big or small. Like reading some of the Hiragana in this thread. I'll read it out phonetically, but I'll get paranoid as to if I'm reading "Ta" or "Na" etc correctly and not a different character. And what I usually do is check the 50 sounds chart to see if I'm correct at remembering the characters correctly. But I have trouble finding the actual words in a dictionary or making sense of sentences.

>>14745902

You'll obviously have trouble making sense of sentences if you haven't studied any grammar, and even then, it takes a lot of practice to consistently understand what you're reading. As for the confidence with the kana, you'll get better with practice, the more you read and it turns out correct that anxiety should go away.

>>14745674

It's a humble version of 来てもらえる

学校に来てもらえる

(I) am able to have (him) come to school.

学校に来ていただける。

>>14745669

We were talking about the different between the sound in "say" and the sound in "set".

>>14745902

You're just starting out, so don't get too worried. You'll need a lot more studying to be able to read shit comfortably. Chances are you can't really identify individual words that often yet, so you may be trying to look up gibberish. With the kana, you can always quiz yourself once a day or every few days, either by writing them out from memory or using some other method. This can help build up your confidence. Once you see them enough it will be just as easy as reading English letters.

There are only five vowel sounds in Japanese. Every other sound you think you hear is derived from a combination of two of those five, which I will demonstrate in this pronunciation guide. Not actually a proper pronunciation guide.

あ　　い　　う　　え　　お　http://picosong.com/wCGKJ/

There are five of them, WHICH MEANS that if you combine all of them with each other, including themselves, there are 25 potential combinations. Many of these combinations are what you think of as vowels in English.

ああ　あい　あう　あえ　あお　http://picosong.com/wCGKA/

いあ　いい　いう　いえ　いお　http://picosong.com/wCGKK/

うあ　うい　うう　うえ　うお　http://picosong.com/wCGKp/

えあ　えい　えう　ええ　えお　http://picosong.com/wCGK7/

おあ　おい　おう　おえ　おお　http://picosong.com/wCGKv/

You can't directly compare any of the base five vowels' pronunciations to their English "equivalents" of AIUEO, except as a matter of shorthand convenience. It's pointless to do it beyond that, because the sound of the English characters varies heavily from word-to-word and accent-to-accent, and some variants don't even have combination equivalents. What the fuck would you use for the A sound of cat? It's somewhere between an English A, I, E and Y sound, depending on who's saying it. To say Boy, you'd probably use おい, but there are accents that make it おあ. えいg is your fucking Ayyg sound, when it's not えg. You'd swear up and down that cot has an O sound in it, but you'd have to use あ's sound to say it, because if you tried to use お, you'd say coat instead.

The point is, don't try to map out Japanese's vowel sounds using English.

>>14745773

>Sounds interesting. Got a link?

Here you go.

>>14747416

Almost all of those are ね at the end of sentence, and it's very common in Japanese to draw out the last few sounds to exhibit a wide range of emotions. In all clips but the last one, any え sound in the middle of the sentences is pronounced completely normally. As for the last one, I actually think the subtitles are wrong and he says

>心配で心配でいてもだってsomething

in which case, it's the sound of the でい

>>14743139

>Heartcatch and Go Princess are typically thought of as babbies first because they contain more action, less girlyness

Not to derail, but I can't let that one pass

>less girliness

>Every episode bleeds feminine charm out of all orfices, regardless of the action

Explain yourself.

>>14748394

>Have a shitty chart from 4cuck and some webms to guide you on your way.

I will also say that despite the all-out super shittiness of 4/a/, the precure threads were almost always full of bros and good people, that one instant of that circlejerking avatarfag aside. It's actually the only thing I miss about 4chan at all. They weren't with the rest of the bullshit on the site and stayed damn productive, even having people on hand translating shit ahead of Doremi and then Commie when they dedcided to be attentionwhores around HC.

>>14747416

They're pronouncing it Eh (pronounced like the Eh in "mEh") though. You may think they also say Ayy (like the month "mAy", but that's just pitch intonation.

>>14743158

簡単「かんたん」- Sounds vaguely similar to "can tan". You can tan, it's easy and simple.

練習「れんしゅう」 - Ren Syu (when you) train, you get better at something.

印刷「いんさつ」 - Sounds kinda like "inserts". An insert is something that is printed out.

>went through the entirety of kanjidamage

>now I'm completely fucked whenever I encounter new radicals / kanji not in the KD database because the kanjidamage mnemonics aren't compatible with Koohi

FUCK

NO

Let this be a warning to you all, if going with the mnemonics route use whatever database is most popular and largest

>>14750563

You don't need to be compatible with Koohi. Whenever you find something that's not in KD you can make up your own mnemonics or forgo them altogether, it shouldn't be as difficult to pick new characters up as it was before already knowing a significant number of kanji. For a quick example anyway, 枷's (shackles) radicals in KD would appear to be tree (木), strong (力), and mouth (口). He needed a strong mouth to chew through that tree he was shackled to. Won't always come together so easy, but it's very doable.

>>14758370

>>14758350

Are they coming up with anime episode names or something? Also what's up with the spooky skeltal?

>>14758373

Firis was telling a story, and Sue was reading a page out of a book. The skeleton was part of a level, he was a hoot.

>>14759790

I'd recommend starting vocab/kanji right away (after kana is learned). Ideas about time taken to read a grammar guide vary. I think a few weeks would be a good pace for it if you're studying every day. Trying to take in too much at once, especially early on, can be counter-productive.

>>14759790

You'll forget things eventually, anyways. It's part of the process. Do it right now, and yes, start with vocab and kanji at the same time. Though to be honest rather than reading that, you should read some actual manga instead (or play games with really simple vocab and furigana), it'll do you better in the long rung.

What do y'all niggers think of Duolingo?

>>14759931

>you should read some actual manga instead

How do you expect someone who doesn't know any grammar or words to be able to read?

>>14759931

Same anon, different computer.

How will I understand anything if I don't know the grammar, though? The book goes through that with examples. Right now my plan is to start vocab/kanji and continue reading it (while taking notes), then read Tae Kim when I'm done with JTMW.

>>14760151

Read the thread.

>>14760169

At the start the only important thing, beyond studying, is exposure and practice. Even without knowing vocab, reading to get yourself accostumed to the language, practice whatever little knowledge you possess and maybe learn a few words along the way is enough. It'll speed up your rate of learning, your reading speed, and help you reinforce basic kanji you studied that day or days before, which is vital early on. Comprehension is secondary to that.

That's also why I mentioned media with furigana, if you're learning Japanese chances are your brain has absorbed certain words and their meanings, as well as a basic and really scrambled comprehension of grammar and structure through constant exposure to weebshit, be it anime or games with japanese VA, and you can extend that really basic knowledge further by doing something as simple as reading, looking at the readings with furigana, and having a "oh so it's written like that" moment somewhat often.

>>14760190

Read above, it'll help new knowledge settle in your brain faster and more efficiently in comparison to just being stuck in a textbook for a month or two with no other practice. It'll be quite a frustrating experience at the beginning, though, not to mention potentially demoralizing.

もっと勉強！もっと努力！俺の語学力はまだ下手だ！　日本の美人が欲しい！ 日本の食物を食べたい！

>>14760227

Where would one find readings with furigana?

>>14760293

Manga usually, though some games have it. You just have to check on an individual basis.

>>14760293

I think it's usually stuff made for children pre-high-school.

>>14760234

>日本の美人が欲しい！

＞日本

＞美人

（笑）

阿呆っすか？この世で居ないよ、そういう者

二次元美少女は最高ですけど

>日本の食物を食べたい！

自分で作ってよ

>>14760293

For games, most aimed at kids have them. Stuff like Yokai Watch, Monster Hunter Stories and the Medabots games.

For manga it's about the same, but then again you also have shit like To Love-Ru featuring furigana as well.

>>14760293

Also VNs with text hooker. Not exactly furigana, but that's probably your best bet if you don't want to read stories aimed at small children.

>>14760227

Sure, native material consumption is really important. It's why we are all likely learning this language after all. You can do that alongside reading a guide too though. It's not like if you are reading a guide you absolutely can't read anything else in Japanese.

>>14760308

>二次元美少女は最高ですけど

でーでも、　まだいつも寂しいね、 肉を触るのが非常に重要だよ

>>14760190

New question. Should I use the Kanji deck in Anon's package (shows a one-word translation and readings, shows stroke order on back of card), switch to the KanjiDamage deck, or use both?

Sorry in advance for being retarded.

>>14760305

Pretty much every shonen and shojo manga has furigana also. So you actually have a lot of variety to chose from. For example, i have been reading Claymore for a while now and that shit is far from being kids friendly.

>>14760507

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the kanji damage version will probably cut the fat and do more to help you actually learn both the kanji and how to use them. The problem is that when you finally exhaust the database it has you are left probably about a third of the way into what you want to know and now you have to turn to the harder sources you aren't used to, AND you don't even get to easily filter out the parts you already learned.

>>14760588

I wanted to read Claymore after I watched the anime. However the first few chapters were too similar to the thing I just watched so I got bored and gave up. How is the manga?

>>14760362

I guess the post originating this argument wasn't worded well enough. By "that" I meant Japanese the Manga Way. I'm not suggesting only reading native material and ignoring everything else, as that's a recipe for failure, I'm suggesting focusing on studying grammar and memorizing vocab the good old way, through guides, books and flashcards, while at the same time consuming media despite being able to understand jackshit because daily, unfiltered exposure to the language is just as valuable, and far more worthwhile (and entertaining) than shitty books for beginners and children.

>>14760483

君、獣か？人間か？物理的なものは不要

心だけあれば、それで十分よ

>>14760507

>>14760592

KanjiDamage is designed to help you familiarize yourself with Kanji through the study of radicals. You don't need to study it extensively; if you come across an especially complex Kanji, then refer to the database for its corresponding radicals. Aside from that, KanjiDamage features mnemonics that are meant to help one memorize the target Kanji's readings. That's about all it's good for. That said, there are better alternatives, such as jisho.org, which provide the same information and then some.

If you want to memorize radicals, then grab the Kodansha's Kanji Course anki deck and use that. I wouldn't, though, because it's not really necessary. Only do it if you can't grasp Kanji to save your life. Kanji are pretty intuitive for me so I haven't really had any trouble understanding and internalizing them.

If you just want to get into vocab, then use the core2k/6k deck. While you can use the one in the OP, it's flawed because it features some duplicate cards and I think they're out of order, so you're better off finding one elsewhere. There's probably one on the anki website, check the OP for links The deck starts out relatively simple and then will introduce more complex Kanji, but by the time that happens you should have already come to grips with your learning style.

In short, you don't need KanjiDamage. If you want radicals, use the Kodansha deck or an online dictionary like jisho.org. You don't need to study radicals unless you're having trouble recognizing complex Kanji. Only use them in the event that you need to examine a complex Kanji for its components.

>>14760696

>物理的なものは不要

>心だけあれば、それで十分よ

嘘だ！セックスをやりたいな！

>>14760483

自分の肉を触る

>>14760732

あほか、お前？

オナホの方がユルユル糞ビッチなんかよりずっと気持ちよかろう。

>>14760732

Thanks. The thing I downloaded (Anon's package) came with a "vocab" pack that says "Core 0k-10k" with some confusing naming, should I drop it and try to find 2k/6k? I'm only a day in so it won't impede my progress too much.

I'm not sure where to get 2k/6k, the OP one is 980MB and all the ones I can find are much smaller. The Anki website has tons of different core packages split into lots of parts.

I found some 318MB package called "Core 2k_6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary", am I on the right track?

I'll look more tomorrow when I'm not half asleep.

>>14762975

分ける　分かれる　分かる　分かつ

the dashes signify when the kanji end and the okurigana begin. You don't have to memorize all the readings, especially since for the kunyomi there are often okurigana. However, for very common kanji (such as 分), you will probably end up knowing them, since 分かる and 分(ぶん, minutes) show up all the time in reading. This is why it's generally better to study vocab than kanji alone, since learning kanji compounds will often teach you readings, but learning readings will not necessary teach you vocab.

>>14762975

No, only learn how to write.

>>14760678

I´m not really that far either, to be honest. I just finished the second chapter so you were probably farther than i am right now, anyway. I´m reading it mostly because i disliked the anime only ending and it left me hunger for more. クレア a cute

>>14761947

>I found some 318MB package called "Core 2k_6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary", am I on the right track?

That´s the one i use at least. But you should keep in mind that the Anki deck includes lots of grammatical stuff which will probably throw you off and confuse you if you haven´t read about them in a grammar guide beforehand. For example, back then when i started with the Anki deck i haven´t read about the whole japanese number and counting system. So i was kinda bewildered that 三 was sometimes pronounced as さん and then sometimes as み,

>>14763386

That particular item might be counting system, but that problem usually comes from the onyomi/kunyomi reading because apparently the nips thought it was a good idea to give every single character two completely distinct sounds.

Speaking of which, with the anki deck I'm having a very easy time with the meanings and a VERY hard time with the sounds. Is there any advice to help with that, or do I just keep grinding till I get it?

>>14766063

At least two.

>>14766069

There are characters with only one reading, for example 噺　has no 音読み

>>14765943

Is it a kanji only deck? If so, don't bother learning the readings. If it's vocab, that can come with practice and hearing /seeing it a lot.

You're all virgins who will never bang any jap broads.

>>14766237

>3DPD

Where do you think you are?

>>14766560

1st panel

>I drew this, please take a look at it

<1 retweet, 3 likes

2nd panel

>I tried crossdressing for the first time

<923 retweets, 1332 likes

>Takashi, I love traps

>you're really cute, won't you DM me?

3rd panel

>it's been a while since I drew anything, please [look at it]

<2 retweets, 4 likes

>Crossdress again, trap Takashi is my wife (I think, might have interpreted this slightly incorrectly)

>>14766643

thank you anon.

>>14766643

one more question, sorry; I'm typesetting this since I found it so amusing and sad

for the second panel what's up with this line

>Takashi, I love traps

That's just the first part of the response tweet then, and the second part is just… the second part on a different line?

>>14766643

>>14766743

Those two lines are just silly user names in usual (((Twitter))) fashion.

The first one is

>Takahashi, who really loves traps @Falcoso_lunc (alternatively The Trap Lover Takahashi, or something like that)

The second one is

>Traps are all my wives @matsu_bouzu

>>14766838

男の娘は俺の嫁

It's just "traps are my wives".

The word "all" isn't there.

>>14766852

I have a bad habit of adding words into translations so they read more naturally in the output language (one that I should seriously focus on dropping), but yes, you're right.

>>14766155

That's because some kanji were developed in Japan, so they don't have any Chinese readings.

>>14766237

And?

>>14766180

It's the one from OP 2k/6k. So it's vocab/kanji with audio.

Now I'm wondering though if I should study how the kanji are written as well. I honestly have no intention of ever handwriting kanji but learning how to do it might help in recognizing them later on when I've learned a lot of superficially similar ones.

>>14769503

Yeah, it's useful to learn handwriting too, if only to help you remember more intricate kanji.

>>14769643

I think it's useless at best and counterproductive at worst to practice with non-native speakers. I've just resigned myself to never properly learn speaking, since I'm too shy to jump into a sea of natives.

>>14769643

It's not stupid, but why not just hijack an already existing board, like /jp/, and use it for your discussions? Being that /jp/ is slower than molasses, I'm sure they'd appreciate the uptick in traffic. That, or you can just continue to use this thread, cause it exists as a microcosm of what your board would be like.

>>14769643

I agree with >>14769657, unless we had like 3-5 native speakers/people who were at N1/2 level to run the place, it would be counter-productive since there are quite a few of us who can read at decent levels but can't really speak for shit.

>>14769503

It'll help you remember kanji easily (and stroke order is an important part of mnemonics you can't replicate anywhere else), but honestly, at the same time it's kind of a waste of time.

You won't be handwriting daily, so chances are you'll sooner or later forget handwriting as a whole, which makes the entire effort pretty meaningless. I'd recommend only doing so if you really want to, or you're really struggling remembering kanji.

>>14769643

If you want to practice writing it's not a bad idea and I'd try to participate, but honestly you're better off actually talking to native speakers. I use a mobage's lobby function to do so daily, even for like half an hour, and there's tons of normalfag apps that cover that perfectly as well.

>>14769668

>It's not stupid, but why not just hijack an already existing board, like /jp/, and use it for your discussions?

That´s maybe a good idea to make a japanese practicing thread over there. Honestly, /jp/ is so dead that i didn´t even think of it. But thanks for bringing it up.

>>14769657

I think it's useless at best and counterproductive at worst to practice with non-native speakers.

Well, of course we are all not perfect. But for example, you make mistakes other people do not. And you see mistakes made by other people which they aren´t aware of. If we point out each other our grammar mistakes, we can at least get a little bit better. At least that´s what i think.

But I already see that the general consensus here is that it´s a bad idea.

>>14769724

It's not about grammar mistakes, it's about learning speaking patterns/natural word usage. I've met plenty of people who learned English exclusively from non-native speakers, and while they may have good pronunciation and grammar, they just don't sound like a native English speaker, because they had no one to learn from who did.

>>14767275

Here, have an excerpt from a fascinating nip thread about this topic, info is a little outdated because Japan keeps adding more characters to jouyou kanji though. What this says is that there are 700 characters with only one reading, and out of those, 664 only have a single onyomi, so even disregarding kokuji, the sweeping generalization that there are at least 2 readings per character is false. The most you could accurately say is that kanji may have at least one of the two types of readings, kunyomi and onyomi. "Chinese" readings is misleading, by the way. What you actually mean is Sino-Japanese readings, or readings derived from an archaic nip imitation of archaic chink.

>常用漢字表に提示されている訓読みを送り仮名を除いた漢字だけの部分の読みの共通のものを一つにまとめて、それを修正資料として漢字一字に音訓読みが合わせていくつあるかをみてみると、

>一漢字の総読み数

>1つ700字

>2つ905字

>3つ257字

>4つ69字

>5つ8字

>6つ3字

>7つ1字

>8つ2字

>合計1945字

>このうち、一漢字の総読み数1つ700字についさ

>らに内訳をみてみると、回答No.2にあるように、

>音読み1つで訓読み無しが664字。

>音読み無しで訓読み1つが36字。

>合計700字

>ということになります。

https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/3356651.html

>>14769643

Just try playing FFXIV on a JP server (or any nip f2p mmo for that matter), and if you don't want to actually play or pay, you can stay online and exchange bantz with people indefinitely, just your level gets capped at 30 or something .

>>14771708

The down-tac below diacritic got stripped from the Japanese /e/, え is 'mid' on that chart while English /eɪ/ starts close-mid (and then glides to near-close).

>>14743403

OJAD (http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/eng/pages/home) is the only one really. It's missing almost all adverbs but most nouns, adjectives, and verbs are there. Make sure to check out the verb inflection page on the sidebar if you're actually serious about learning pitch accent.

Also the Wikipedia page for it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pitch_accent) but it contradicts itself several times and you only need to read it once.

>>14772795

>おっぱいよう

Clever. What is going on with those hands on her chest though?

>>14773906

He grabbed her tits

Hey guys, I'm moving to /vg/ so someone else is going to have to take up the mantle of making the threads here from now on.

Here's the OP

https://pastebin.com/ebzrgXua

>>14774685

Why?

>>14774695

I'm tired of Mark. Let's leave it at that so the thread isn't derailed.

>>14774705

I hope enough people know about the move, I'd like the thread to stay as active as it is now.

>>14774685

On the topic of the OP, I think it can safely be condensed to just the following: DJT guide: https://djtguide.neocities.org/ + an optional motivational 出来る or joke based on an op image. The majority of what's in the OP plus more is already neatly contained within that single link and comes with a brief explanation as to what use resources are that are mentioned in the guide. Much nicer than just a link dump. Just a suggestion for whoever wants to take over that role.

>>14769736

>they just don't sound like a native English speaker, because they had no one to learn from who did.

Sounding like a native speaker is quite an utopian standard though, except if you live for like ten years in japan.

>>14775299

If you knee anything about cross linguistic analysis you'd know that how the vowel subjectively sounds to you individually doesn't mean jack shit. Either find a phonetics study of their formant frequencies demonstrating a statically significant difference or fuck off.

Lately I've felt like my Japanese has been lapsing a bit, I haven't been recalling words as well and my sentence analysis seems a little off, but I've still been studying every day. Has anyone else felt this, and if so, how did you jog yourself back into it?

>>14778427

I had that happen to me. Do something different. If you're reading, watch some anime or something with subtitles to practice listening. You just have to switch it up and change what you're doing for a while.

>>14778473

You might be right. I really don't practice listening enough, so maybe I'll give that a shot, or just try studying something different than I have been.

Thanks for the perspective!

バンプ～

Does anyone know how you can best find anime with japanese subtitles? Because, if I search for "anime raw" it will probably be completely without subtitles, right?

>>14784251

the only place I know is kitsunekko.net, and occasionally you can find anime with Jap subs on nyaa.

>>14784311

Thanks for the information. Will check that website out. I had hoped there was a special tag for japanese subtitles on nyaa but that doesn´t seem to be the case.

Friends, I need some advice. My Anki has gotten to the point over the last year where I need to do daily reviews of 160-200 vocab every day and 60-80 kanji, not counting new cards. This is a bit too much (I'm regularly spending 2+ hours a day and that doesn't really lead to retention), and it only seems to be increasing, which means more time wasted on rote and less spent on actual study which ironically hurts retention.

I don't want to cap the reviews per day off because that'll just lead to even more cards piling up which is a total non-solution, however it's only gradually increasing, not decreasing. Would freezing new cards for a while have any discernible effect on reducing my reviews per day if I did it for a few weeks or a month, and if not, what would you guys suggest to curb this down to a reasonable level?

>>14785474

For reference, I left the defaults as they were, 10 new vocab per day and 5 new kanji, I'm not handing myself an impossible workload or anything, it's just snowballed over time.

>>14785474

Using the language to read/game/etc and stop using flash cards for a bit?

See how you fare after a few weeks and if you still feel like you're progressing.

>>14785497

>stop using flash cards for a bit?

That seems like a fast track to coming back to an impossible amount of reviews though, don't you think?

>>14785474

I would just stop picking up new cards for a few days/weeks.

>>14785474

I'd certainly lower new card limit (probably even set it to 0), and even with that you'll probably have to wait a week or two before you see any noticeable drop in your workload. It's bad, but probably still better than resetting your whole progress. SRS can be a bitch in this regards.

Don't stop flash cards like >>14785497 said, it'll make things even worse (provided you don't want to give up forever).

>>14785542

Yeah, this is what I was leaning towards, nice to have it corroborated. I understand this sort of backup takes a while to clean out, so I'm gonna stop the new cards and work on whittling it down, hopefully to around the ~100 mark on vocab. That'll keep me from burning out and give me more time to study vocab. Thanks for the perspective, fellas.

Speaking of, what are you guys' strategies for learning and retaining new grammar? I've read JTMW front to back, gone through Tae Kim's grammar guide, and read a bit through Imabi over the months, but there's a lot of bits that don't quite seem to stick, no matter how many times I look them up.

>>14785569

You will never fully understand grammar by just reading grammar guides. You will have to read actual japanese text and literature to do that. If you constantly see the grammar used in practice, at some point it will stick with you.

>>14785582

Mhm, I understand. Sorry if that was unclear. I try to engage with media as I can, but I find a lot of rules I consistently get hung up on despite having run into them several times.

also low key fuck the ni particle

>>14785582

not only do you need to read grammar to understand it, but processing vocab through reading makes it stick much better than with just flashcards, since you'll have an idea of how that word is used in context.

>>14785607

Ideally you should have multiple example sentences demonstrating that on each card, since words almost never have one definition.

There are so many readings of certain kanji, like 上 and 下, how the fuck am I supposed to figure out which one is which? I'm basically playing a guessing game with Anki here.

>>14786254

Anki isn't so good for those cases, yeah. At least when it's just the one kanji with a different reading. Make a mental note of that particular reading and carry on, it's more dependant on context than anything else and you'll figure it out the more you read.

>>14786254

You'll learn this by reading. 上 is almost always read うえ, while if it has okurigana it could be 上がる. If it's part of a compound, it's likely read じょう but there are others. 下 can be more ambiguous but that's why I advocate studying vocab instead of specifically kanji for the most part.

>>14786325

下げる and 上げる are some of the most common readings, but they're also very easy to figure out via context. Like I had said, it will fall in to place once you have a little experience reading. It's certainly confusing when you're a beginner though.

>>14786362

Aw shit, I played Firis in Japanese last September, but I was much worse at the language, that tool would have been a huge help. I'm near the end of Lydie and Suelle and I haven't had to look up too many words, but back when I was playing Firis I was using a dictionary a lot.

I don't know if you've played the game before but rush through the beginning up to the 公認試験, the game opens up and you can't do a lot of stuff until then

>>14786718

I've never seen it before. Google says

>2828 pronounced Niya Niya (ニヤニヤ) literally means grinning or smiling.

>2828 - ニヤニヤ; "niya niya" (grinning to the point of giggling)

>>14786824

>Google says

I got nothing but junk results from Startpage which takess it's results from google. Tested gulag directly and got junk for pages too.

>>14787112

Hey, at least I can potentially move to Japan in the future and don´t have to learn arabic like the rest of the western world.

>>14786362

Can you do something like this also for normal controllers?

>>14787112

>2005 and 2015

>projected figures

>only after 2015 does it start seriously dropping

>>14788023

The figures are inline with projections tho, 126 million reportedly in 2011 and current estimation for 2050 is around 95 million, so the updated one would still look pretty much the same.

>>14786476

>spoiler

I'll keep that in mind. I recall the other Atelier games I've played starting off a little slow too.

>>14788018

Yes, but it works best on a steam controller/DS4 because you can use the touch pads to move the mouse over the word you want to OCR. You can alternatively use steam to set up a key combo to move the mouse with, say, LT + right stick on an Xbox controller and LT + RT/RB for the script hotkeys.

>>14788159

If you don't rush, you can easily end up spending half the game on that section, it's not really explained that you get a whole lot of fun stuff and fast travel available after you pass the test, which is why it's particularly worth noting.

>>14786362

What am I suppose to press with the keyboard to change the kanji in case it is giving me a wrong kanji as the first one?

>>14790591

>you're fucked

Read responses to this >>14785474, you should probably stop new cards. There's a review ahead under custom study, you could give it a try a day or two before you go on the trip, it could help a bit with the workload. (But it fucks up the SRS algorithm, so only use it in situations like this).

But tbh, the longest period I had to survive with almost no review was three days, so I don't know how well it scales to a week.

>>14790734

I've turned off new cards; I won't leave for nearly a week so I might have time to get it manageable.

I may have free time, I just have no idea how much so I'm expecting the worst.

Thanks, anon.

Adverbs are a pain in the ass. Nouns are easy, they represent real world objects or ideas. Adjectives are easy, they modify nouns to add a description to them. Verbs are a mixed bag; while they're easy enough to grasp in concept, verb conjugation and all of the nuances of object and verb pairs can be harrowing. Still, all of this is more manageable than adverbs. I don't fucking get them. On their own, they don't really mean anything, which only adds to the confusion. What does "very" mean? Sure, some of them are clearer than others, but I tend to have a hard time remembering them because their usage is dependent on other parts of a sentence, wheres nouns, adjectives, and verbs are, for the most part, immediately useful as soon as you learn them.

How do I better understand adverbs?

>>14790916

You're going to have to give an example. "Very" doesn't cut it, there are like 8 words I can think of off the top of my head that mean that. There are a lot of adverbs that are just the adjective with the ending い turned into a く, and you can just think of them similarly to adjectives.

>>14790960

ぐっすり = soundly

つまり = in short, basically

つもり = in summary

ぐらぐら = wobble

およそ = just about

一種 = a kind of, of sorts

一切 = not at all, not one bit

さっぱり = completely, not at all

大抵 = generally, mostly

今にも = at any moment

じっと = without moving, still

かえって = on the contrary, rather

いよいよ = finally, at any moment

あっさり = plainly, matter-of-factly

いつでも = always, at all times

しばしば = often, frequently

とんとん = tapping

早速 = immediately

一段と = greater, further

いかが = how, what

ようこそ = welcome

もっと = more

ほぼ = almost, hardly

一向に = absolutely, at all

次第に = gradually, by degrees

必ずしも = not always, not necessarily

ぎりぎり = just in time

いつまでも = forever

思い切り = to one's content, with all one's might

思い切って = boldly, decisively

思わず = unintentionally, unconsciously

是非 = by all means, at any cost

生き生きと = lively, vividly

いちいち = one by one, in detail

結局 = after all, finally

大幅 = drastically, substantially

こっそり = stealthily, secretly

せっせと = hard, diligently

実に = truly, surely

よく = well

今更 = now, too late

あらかじめ = in advance

自然に = naturally, instinctively

せめて = at least

きつい = severe, hard, strict

きっと = surely, certainly

全く = entirely, truly, indeed

主に = mainly, mostly

いきなり = all of a sudden, without warning

ぬるい = tepid, lukewarm

詳しい = detailed, complete

いかに = how, in what way

すっかり = all, completely

ふらふら = weak, tired

こう = like this, this kind of

そのまま = like that, unchanged

一体 = what on earth, what the hell

さっき = some time ago, only a moment ago

一応 = tentatively

未だ = yet, more

多く = much, largely

あまり = not much

ぶらぶら = wander aimlessly, hang about

一般に = in general, generally

直接 = directly

いかにも = indeed, as if

およそ = just about

きつい = tight, difficult

知らず知らず = unaware, without knowing it

元来 = originally, essentially

I have decided to start to keep a notepad of all the adverbs I come across. This so far has been my solution. This is the entire contents of the notepad. I constantly have to reference it every time an adverb comes up because I just don't retain them as well as the other words for whatever reason.

>>14791004

Most of the ones you listed I think of as phrases, not words, even though they are technically words. I can see why you have problems though, those words are much less regular than nouns and verbs. It's also worth noting that 思わず isn't necessarily an adverb (unless all ず/ぬ conjurations are technically adverbs), it's a verb conjugation.

I think you're on the right track with keeping a list in notepad, other than regarding them as phrases, I don't really have an answer for you as to how to remember them better.

>>14789346

Sometimes it fixes itself if you move your mouse off and back on the word.

Else I've got nothing.

>>14790916

>What does "very" mean?

>How do I better understand adverbs?

If you think you can understand it, try using a Japanese dictionary. Some words which can be translated to the same English word/s may have differing, more detailed definitions in Japanese. An example off the top of my head, とっぷり is simply "completely; fully; entirely" by rikaichan but the 大辞林 definition is something like to be completely immersed in water or of the sun, to have set fully.

>>14797424

where do you keep your phone when you're on your computer? Can't you just set a daily alarm?

>>14797480

Too many distractions at home. I usually studied on my way to work or my way home, and that was 1 hour and a half each, so figure I had plenty of time to finish my reps and study grammar.

I always have my phone on my desk but I literally don't touch it. I have my Ankidroid sync with the desktop version, so I can just study in any of them and sync. I just never remember though.

It'd be useful if Anki opened automatically when Windows started.

>>14797498

Force it into your daily routine at a set time, it'll help you not forget.

>>14798787

>Mr. Bones

>>14802292

The first one probably says something about the game download(er?) not doing something.

t. 1 week of jap

Can't download game data.

Under manteinance.

>>14802292

"The game is unable to be downloaded at the moment" is what the first one says, which is made clear by the second message

"Because of ongoing maintenance, Dragon's Dogma Online is unable to be played"

>>14802292

here's a link to a near current version (current version is 03020009 maybe 03020010 after maintenece).

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RwaKeP6FJtF8YIf36KsWtsDPvKcASus2

>>14803628

>I was j-just practicing a bit of (customer) reception.

>I'm often told I'm an unsociable (unfriendly?) clerk, too…

*Did you post the right image?*

>>14803689

>fuck up spoilers

embarrassing

>>14803723

Those have different text.

>>14803723

You did, the one you posted seems to be one texbox before that one, which resembles more what you posted

>But, thanks to that my face muscles hurt so much.

>(You) shouldn't do things you're not used to, right?

>>14803792

I meant it as in "Yes, I didn't post right image."

Thanks. Not sure why I didn't get to this formulation of the sentence, seems obvious now that I look at it. Maybe I should have tried to translate in my own language first rather than in English.

I'm sick of never being able to enjoy successive jrpgs due to how slow they're released in the US. I'm also sick of shit companies like NISA fucking things up. Should I learn moonrune to finally just stop hating years of waiting and play games right away? Is the work and effort worth it anons? I feel discouraged because everyone says it's a lot of work. Any guesses how long it takes to reach the point of just being able to read the text and not so much hear it?

>>14804343

Learning to read exclusively isn't really faster than learning to read and listen. If you want to play games in Japanese it's going to be a long (>1 year) process, and that's if you go fast and pick up the language decently well, which some people do and some don't. I think the work and effort was worth it, but I always wanted to learn another language, and I get a kick out of cheesy plots, which accounts for a pretty large majority of Japanese media (games or not).

このスレッドには全部同性愛者だけがある。

What do you weebs think of wanikani? Worth paying for or can you get the same with anki decks?

>>14806537

You can get the same and better with Anki. If you previewed wanikani, like it and want more you can find an Anki deck of it somewhere in the guide.

Is ありす an actual Japanese name or is there just a bunch of shit that mistranslated the name Alice?

>>14806989

Not a "mistranslation" unless you are counting the fact that it should be in Katakana (アリス)

>>14806989

Why is that a mistranslation? It's the closest you can get with the syllables the language uses.

>>14808963

I had this problem too, some japanese games need their region manually set to JPN for them to work. I had to do it for Majora's Mask but OoT worked fine without it so I don't know why it's like this.

I find this is the easiest way:

https://github.com/Possum/LumaLocaleSwitcher/releases

Make sure to have "Enable game patching" turned on in luma's settings (hold select when you turn your 3ds on).

>>14809031

Ah, thank you.

YOU CAN LEARN

YOU CAN LEARN

BUT YOU'LL ONLY CRASH

AND

BUUUUURN

>>14807512

Some nip women actually have that name, written in kanji like these, for example. It can also be a surname apparently.

彩鈴 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有須 【ありす】 Arisu (s)

有巣 【ありす】 Arisu (s,f)

蟻巣 【ありす】 Arisu (s,f)

在巣 【ありす】 Arisu (s,f)

有栖 【ありす】 Arisu (s,f)

愛里鈴 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿李須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

彩凛朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿莉須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安吏須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛涼子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安里須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安利須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛莉鈴 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜吏須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛澄 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

杏莉寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

彩凜朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜吏蘇 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安莉須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜理 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨澄 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安李須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨素 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛緑子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

明梨寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亞里栖 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜利朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里沙 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜利州 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有梨須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿理須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿梨須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛里澄 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有州 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛梨子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜莉子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有沙 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

在寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

満沙 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜莉朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

杏里珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜莉珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

侑沙 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿吏須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有司 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有枢 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛梨寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有里朱 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有里珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里彗 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安梨須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有澄 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有鈴子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿里須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

光雛 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有住 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜利須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛玲子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

阿利須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里素 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

安理須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜莉須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜李寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛梨珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜理子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜里子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜理守 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨洲 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜理寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜璃寿 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜李州 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有守 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

杏梨子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有皇 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜璃珠 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛梨穂 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜理須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

英梨須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜李須 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

愛李子 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

赤薔薇 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜梨守 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

煽姫 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

有春 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

亜理栖 【ありす】 Arisu (f)

>>14810115

Oh thanks so every character with that name is not supposed to be a western transfer student or something.

>>14808963

>>14809031

Yeah games with weird DLC stuff need to do this I cannot remember what specifically causes it. I remember Paper Jam was definitely one of them though because it took me forever to get the european english version working on my Japanese 3DS.

>>14809031

Finally got a chance to try it. I installed Luma Locale Switcher 4.0. Installed via cia, changed the region and the language, and both Paper Jam and MM still crash. Did I miss a step?

>>14812465

You probably set something to the wrong setting it took me a lot of futzing to get working.

Is there any way to get Anki to randomize card order during reviews? I'm accidentally memorizing certain words based on their relative position in the set rather than recognizing the word itself.

>>14812465

Doesn't freeshop have Japanese game?

I'm bit out of loop about 3ds cfw and hacking in general

>>14818744

Have you tried ps3iso site?

>>14818744

Unfortunately GGN doesn't have a non-US PS2 collection (not counting the undub collection). They have Asia collections for most other consoles but not PS2.

>>14818744

>>14818948

If you are really interested I can put in a request at GGn. I have the means there to make such a request particularly attractive, but even so it would be a long-term wait, so I have to know if you would still be interested even if it took 6 months.

>>14818822

Randomizing card order would defeat the purpose of spaced repetition. Your issue should disappear once your deck reaches a non-trivial size.

>>14819021

I mean for the review cards on any given day to show up in random order the first time they appear, not for the whole deck to simply show up at random.

The problem for example is that 覚える always comes immediately after 話す and 書く when they appear. I can remember it when it does because I've naturally associated "learn/memorize" being related to "speak" and "write". When 話す and 書く don't appear for a given day but 覚える does I'm pretty much stumped when I get to it because all I can think of is "it's not anything to do with 見える-visible"

Of course, now that I've taken the time to write this out I probably wont forget any of those words ever again, but the same kind of problem can occur in other subsets as well.

>>14819021

Do you have a source for that besides your ass? They're is literally no connection between the idea of spaced repetition and the order you review cards in. The only thing spaced repetition is concerned with is how long you wait to review a card.

>>14819070

From my own observation, it appears as though this problem will resolve itself when your deck contains a large pool of cards from which it may draw. When you're just starting out, your deck will have a small number of cards, so your reviews might seem predictable. This is especially notable when reviewing new material, as new cards tend to appear in the order in which they were introduced. However, when you have a large number of mature cards, your deck composition will change; during your review, you will have more "review" and "learning" cards, and newly introduced cards will be regularly added to the pool, which will themselves eventually become mature cards.

The point is that it seems as though the algorithm keeps track of the intervals between your last correct response and the current point in time on an individual card-by-card basis. In other words, if you have five cards that are supposed to show up ten days from your most recent review, then you can be sure that those five cards will all show up on the same day, though not necessarily in the same order. During any given review, it is likely that you will get some cards right and some wrong, and the order of presentation will adapt to your responses. "Hard" cards show up more frequently than "Good" or "Easy" cards. Cards marked "Again" will show up during your next session.

I could be mistaken, but I think this is how the deck "shuffles" itself. It technically doesn't, and merely shows you cards with which you have difficulty recalling when those cards reach the "point of expiration" for their individual timer. If you have a reasonably large deck (say, around one hundred reviews and an additional ten new cards a day) and you're still having this problem, then I'm not sure what can be said. Try reading the Anki documentation for more information. I personally have around one hundred and sixty to two hundred reviews along with an additional five new cards per day, and my deck is reasonably unpredictable. It also may benefit you to update your Anki program to the latest version, as it may have a better working version of the SRS algorithm in place.

Incidentally, as long as you recognize the word, remember its definitions, and remember how to pronounce it, then is this really that much an issue?

>>14819684

I think when I say "randomize card order", he thinks it means "randomize which cards are selected for review". That WOULD defeat the whole "spaced repetition" game because every review would contain random cards regardless of how well you knew those cards (what their next review interval is). However, what I was suggesting is simply to take the cards intended for a certain day and shuffle them before presenting them.

>>14820104

As it is, cards are presented in fixed order. Imagine each card in the deck has a number attached to it, card #1 is first, then #2 all the way on up to card #5999 in this case. The first time card #1 appears in ANY review it will always be first, I will ALWAYS see 一 before anything else because it's the first card in the deck. It doesn't matter if I forget it and review it again as my very last card of the day, the next day it appears it's going to be right back at #1.

There are only two things that naturally affect this order. One is for a card that you've already seen at least once during a given session. Once you tell a card to show up in <1 or <10 minutes it will start rearranging itself based on that time interval, but ONLY for the current day. The only other thing that affects order is for a card not to appear on a given review. Since 一 is pretty easy it won't show up most of the time for me. My reviews might start with card #20 in the deck, but it will still go in order from there, skipping those that aren't in the review (ie #20, then 36, then 38, then 41) #20 will never show up for the first time in a session after 41.

The problem is that it's very easy to memorize in sequence. "Ichi ni san shi go" just rolls off the tongue and the same can be said for things that aren't even part of a discrete set (the problem I mentioned with "speak", "write" and "learn", they aren't even consecutive). Start showing them out of order though and 七 starts to look a lot like 九 and 万 and you have to figure out some other way to remember which is which.

How quickly should I be learning all the kana?

>>14821983

Probably a week or two for each script to get to good familiarity if you are reviewing them every day. Depends on how good your memory is and how much effort you put in. If you can recall like 80% or more from memory, or even just recognize them, you should be fine to start learning other stuff. You'll be seeing kana forever so there is no lack of practice with them when studying other stuff.

>>14822216

Great, thank you.

>>14818853

>Have you tried ps3iso site?

Thanks for the tip. I looked and they do have a download link, but it's broken. However, other people in the same thread posted about trying to find a copy of the game, and based on what was being said I was able to find a direct download link on some Chinese website called baidu, which I got working with jdownloader. Getting an average download speed of about 10 kb/s but at least it works.

>>14818961

Thank you very much for the offer, but whether or not this baidu download works, I don't think I'll still be interested in Rule of Rose six months from now, so please don't squander any of your resources to get a request fulfilled on that site.

>>14822939

Glad to help. Also thanks I want to check thus Chinese site

>>14818744

http://www.ppxclub.com/592682-1-1

Here is a Chinese thread with links to baidu (you might need baidu-dl or something) with tons of PS2 Jap games.

>>14823000

Thanks! I had already found a different baidu link, but this one is giving me much faster download speeds (maybe because it's under 2 GB?).

Sorry in advance for the blog post

I've tried to learn nipponese half a dozen times in my life but I usually gave up right past going through hiragana and katakana and maybe some very basic grammar. The whole #GG censorship fiasco was what gave put the wind in my sails to try again but one of these threads was the final catalyst. There was no big preparation, no anticipation, I was just bored one weekend and plunged into anki and all the linked resources list.

Why am I writing this? Because today, after 11 months of daily study (And I literally mean daily, haven't missed a single day since June 2nd, I remember the date because it was a friend's birthday), I've realized that kanji are no longer a problem for me. Sure I run into ones I don't know every few sentences but it's easy enough to look them up. I can now read stuff "fluently" more often than not and I talk with nips in a caveman-like fashion.

I started using HelloTalk the other day and was surprised just how much "normal" chit-chat I can discern. The whole thing really gave me a huge morale boost. Thanks /v/ and thanks to all of the cunts censoring Fatal Frame, Fire Emblem etc. for giving me the motivation to do this. Who says that negative motivation can't be as effective as positive one?

>>14774685

Make one last thread here announcing it in the OP or nobody will notice.

>>14823657

You sound like a good person to ask this, how much time do (did) you spend studying per day? You said you never missed a day, but is that 30 minutes, and hour, 5 hours? I'm currently working around the latter myself but I'm only over two weeks in.

>>14774685

You should have announced this more visibly in my opinion but ok. Thanks for giving the pastebin and not making it drama.

>still nobody posted the you can't learn japanese image

I need that image, help

>>14823773

I don't think it was ever less than an hour. Anywhere between 1 and 6 hours honestly.

>>14823834

not this one, the can't one

>>14823838

yeah anki alone probably takes at least an hour, more depending on how many different things you are studying with it. Most of the rest of my time is spent reading grammar books right now, but I just added a Kanji writing deck so Anki is bumped up to 2+ hours now. Following the "Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package" instructions, plus keeping up with the core 2k6k deck I started with on top of that and already learned the kana before doing either.

>>14823857

Most of my time was really spent on wanikani.com and while I will continue doing that until I've cleared all ~2000 kanji, I'm now focusing a lot more on grammar and natural sentence structure. I was really astonished by an item description in BOTW that I didn't understand 6 months ago that I could now read naturally without a dictionary.

>>14774685

Good riddance goon. Take the rest of these faggots with you.

>>14774685

So your moving to a board that is barely alive?

>>14824382

OP is an SJWeeb.

Anyone else find they get frequent headaches when studying this shit? Just another hurdle to overcome I guess but it's seriously hard to spend more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time

>>14830964

You probably should be spending more than 30 minutes each day learning new material or you could forget it.

>>14830964

I used to get minor headaches when trying to read shit, this was back when I was first starting. I think it was just the mental effort of trying to decipher these moon squiggles. It doesn't happen anymore. I can read for hours without that problem.

>>14831523

At a time doesn't mean each day.

>>14830964

No a couple of times I've gotten the equivalent of Tetris vision though and I couldn't read english for a little bit. It was really fucking weird.