/v/ - Video Games

I think it's a waste of time and crosses the boundary between mechanical complexity and detail into boring autism simulator. Good mechanical complexity is something like Nero's taunt which has a few frames of an attack animation which can trigger a parry and open up an opponent while granting a huge amount of style. bad is receiver.

>>14732385

I feel you. It does go a bit too far with the complexity but I do believe that if that were dialed back a bit and the game were expanded with good level design and exploration it could be really fun.

Even just having actual human enemies and a bit more health would improve it by a lot.

I draw the line between inspiration and plagiarism at success. If you manage to blow Receiver out of the fucking water, none of it will matter.

>>14732361

It doesn't really matter so long as the product is good and you didn't steal any actual assets or anything. I could imagine a game where a primary challenge is constantly switching guns and having to quickly figure out how to operate them in the middle of danger. A /k/ trial by fire game.

>>14732397

I'll be honest, I'm tired of shooting games. I don't want to play a single game that's semi-realistic again in my entire life if it deals with guns. I'd much rather play something with a sense of levity, ridiculousness, or have the focus taken away from the guns.

>>14732436

Really?

There's really not that many realistic gun-sim games, especially ones that are actually fun

I'd love if someone were to straight up copy Receiver's gameplay and place it on another game. Fiddling with the gun to reload it as fast as possible lead me into some of the tensest moments I've had in a while, so I had my share of fun with it.

>Where do you draw the line between drawing inspiration and straight up copying

Hard question, even harder answer. I`d say so long as they improved or simplified the mechanics already present, it'd not be plagiarism, meaning that so long as they understand that they're paying homage to another game and implementing in their own way, it's fine, but straight up copying and leaving the mechanics exactly the same is fucked up.

personally i'd really like a really, really autistic combined arms game that isn't some stupid RP shit like ARMA but actually requires knowledge and practice to be good at

>ground-pounding infantry

>rifle jams, no huge prompt on screen saying PRESS R TO CLEAR JAM, game simply expects you to either know what to do, ask what to do, or die

>this would encourage players to mess around in the shooting range and/or look up what to do in a real situation, thereby teaching them a real-world skill, or at the very least a better technical knowledge of how the firearm works

>people who already know this would be at an advantage

or

>be combat transport driver (humvee etc)

>have extremely autistic driving physics

>someone with extensive driving experience would have a much better idea of what to do in bad terrain/damaged tires/etc than someone who has no idea

>maybe even add basic field maintenance ie changing a tire, swapping out a spark plug or whatever, ramped up in complexity to things that deeply affect the vehicle such as losing a tire, repairing a fuel tank puncture, whatever

>this would encourage people to learn what vehicles are actually like and a basic knowledge of how most wheeled combustion vehicles work

and i am a simfag so i'd also want to see sim-level piloting as a factor but i know that no game would ever gamble that hard on players learning something that hard and with that steep of a learning curve

so i guess this entire post was a way of saying to OP that i think it could be fun given the right team making it, but no matter what happens if it has even passing similarities to receiver it'll be compared to it. that said >>14732411 gets it; nobody will give a shit as long as it surpasses the original

>>14732436

Fuck off faggot.

>>14733435

No, he's right. Fuck off yourself cunt.

>>14732436

I'm on the same boat.

Realism doesn't make a game better or worse nor does it add or subtract fun by itself.

What I often see is devs implementing shit because "realism" and really focus on it neglecting actual fun or interesting gameplay.

I'm not even asking for arena shooters where everyone carries 12 guns and rocket jumps in the air without a care. I'd simply like to go back to when games were weird/experimental and the focus was on being a unique experience diferent from everything else.

>>14732448

That anon might have played one too many of those (like I did).

Yeah, there's not a lot of them, and you get tired of replaying them over and over again.

Worse: sometimes you'll boot another actually fun game and wonder why the fuck do you torture yourself with Arma or wathever flavour of autism you prefer.

>>14732361

It would need something like the powerglove (that actually works) to not be infuriating to play.

Played it when it first came out from a download an anon provided in a thread, neither /v/ nor /k/ liked it since it was basically Trespasser with QWOP reloading made by a leftist dev.

>>14732361

No, of course not. Why does some furfag indie dev have the sole right to make games involving intricate gunplay? Despite the detailed nature of it in Receiver, that's still only a small part of a fleshed out and enjoyable game, which is why Receiver is more of a fun proof of concept than a full game. The most important things are still level design, enemy design, pacing etc.

>>14733554

>with qwop reloading

I found the controls in that game to be quite good actually. I'm not surprised that /k/ is subpar at video games.

>>14733614

Are the kind of person that uses TCIO instead of WASD?

>>14733625

Nope, I just didn't find the controls to be difficult at all once you understand the order of actions. Sucks to suck.

Realism isn't fun so no.

>>14733629

Same can be said about TCIO instead of WASD.

>>14733637

I literally didn't know TCIO existed before you mentioned it so I really don't know where you're going with this strawman.

>>14733635

Realism is fun. "Realistic games" are often not fun, because they're trying to be realistic, but are inherently not because they're video games. When a game tries to be ultra-relaistic but then you can't do shit you would easily consider in real life, it makes the game insufferable

>>14733648

Nowhere. I was making a joke about obstuse controllers. Now it's a joke about an obtuse anon.

>>14733652

>Realism is fun.

No. Realism is realism. It's not inherently fun or boring. It's how the game uses that realism in it's gameplay that make it fun or not.

>>14733669

You can't expect people to magically know what you are thinking over the internet unless you spell it out in text, equally obtuse anon.

>>14733478

I'd rather play a faux tactical shooter where you're running on the walls, sliding through door ways, and quickly mantling up to gain a vantage point instead of yet another game where you're slowly peeking through corridors and seeking out the top of peoples heads on a horizon to click on.

>>14733652

Realism is never fun. Any attempt to be realistic leads to cinematic stuff with no gameplay beyond 'press-button-watch-animation' e.g. most Western AAA games like Uncharted or niche autismsims e.g. Arma.

>>14732361

I've always thought a larger-scale game with Receiver-style mechanics would be fun, particularly if it had a multiplayer component.

Something that's always frustrated me about FPS games is how quickly and effortlessly most weapons reload, under any conditions. This is not realistic.

The games that come closest to solving this problem are Receiver, and the various VR shooters that require the player to complete the proper actions to reload their weapon.

>>14733758

>Realism is never fun

that's such a bullshit accusation. of course being too realistic can bog down a game, Squad comes to mind. But then there's Red Orchestra 2 that has a great mix of realistic gameplay and arcade game structure. It's not for everyone, but the people who do play those games love them to death.

Also, why do you come into a thread about something you inherently dislike?

>>14732522

>>this would encourage players to mess around in the shooting range and/or look up what to do in a real situation, thereby teaching them a real-world skill,

Learn to fight in war for the defense of the chosen people, goyim!

>>14734495

this is your brain on too much /pol/

>>14734526

"Too much /pol/" level was reached by someone calling the second amendment a jewish plot, friend.

Remake it as a prequel to Metal Gear, where you play as Ocelot.

"I love to reload during a battle, There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well greased chamber."

>>14734469

Reported for failing to comprehend what natural rights are.

>>14734526

Reported for not even trying.

>>14733764

You could also make a horror game ala RE7 minus the unskippable cutsences and lack of enemy variety the basement dlc did get tense when you were swapping empty weapons from your loadout.

Vr games have this already

>>14734386

>Squad comes to mind

what's too realistic about Squad? i find it's basically ARMA without the LARPing bullshit that makes every single round of ARMA last three hours too long

>>14734526

>>>/leftypol/

>>14748569

>That's just how a gun works. It'd be like asking if putting cars in your game would be plagiarizing GTA.

It's boring.

>>14732436

>tfw we'll never have games with dumb but fun to use weapons like Perfect Dark or Turok 2 again.

>>14754513

>tfw we'll never again have weapons with actual depth to the way they work

>instead we'll just have retards who mistake complexity and obtuseness for depth

>they'll feel smart for playing a game where they can feel the ridges of a bullet and games will only become more masturbatory than what call of duty brought in with constant point spam popping up on screen

I played the fuck out of Receiver (including the shotgun and Thommy gun mods), finished the game more than 10 times and honestly, the complexity fades away after you brain remember the keys for what a gun does.

It got to the point where I would reload faster than the reload animations in games like Arma, all while dodging bullets from the turrets, because I figured out their shooting pattern and timing.

It's all a matter of playing the game enough.

Having said all of that, I would love to have a World of Guns 2 with this level of gun play. It would make competitive environment much more hectic.

>>14754552

t. guy who is too dumb to play receiver

>>14732361

>Where do you draw the line between drawing inspiration and straight up copying?

Could always go in another direction and have an original sci-fi gun weapon with its own unique detailed disassembly mechanics and gunplay.

>>14754794

>receiver requires intelligence

no lol

>>14756242

t. guy who is too ignorant to play videogames in general

>>14732361

Receiver feels like a VR gun sim without the VR. having spent a fair amount of time in both Receiver and H3VR, I can say for a fact that having intuitive controls can make or break (semi-)realistic gun handling.

there was way too much abstraction happening with Receiver's controls, since even if you knew exactly what to do with the physical gun to use it. you'd have to punch in the hotkeys for each step.

there's still some abstraction happening in H3VR (safety, ejecting clips), but the majority of your weapon handling happens nearly 1:1, like loading clips, pulling the slide, pumping your shotgun, and of course aiming. with the oculus touch controllers, handling the guns feels amazingly natural.

>>14756729

>ejecting clips

>loading clips

>clips

>>14757927

fuck, mags. i was tired