d7503f No.14718966
Fallout 3/New Vegas:
>When weapons are in poor condition they can "jam" upon reloading, costing the player time during critical moments
>This problem can be alleviated by picking up repair kits or the same weapon to use to repair your weapon
>If weapon health hits zero it just disappears from your hands and has to be repaired to be used again
Far Cry 2:
>Textures change in accordance with weapon condition
>When weapons are in poor condition they'll jam at random and you have to mash the reload button to clear out the jam
>Problem can only be alleviated by going to a gun store and grabbing a new one (As weapons picked up from fallen enemies are always on the verge of breaking)
>If weapon health hits zero the weapon will break before your very eyes and cannot be used ever again with no way to repair them (Making the gold AKs a rather pointless easter egg)
inb4 "They're all shit anyways, check my dubs"
cd6521 No.14719053
>>14718966
you got that last part correct
4da811 No.14719264
>>14718966
Weapon degration was the most stupid mechanic in New Vegas, added nothing insightful and barely helped with "immersion"
1e4cf7 No.14719275
>gun runs out of ammo
>automatically reload
Is there anything more obnoxious
91f4ce No.14719277
>>14718966
>(Making the gold AKs a rather pointless easter egg)
Nig, the golden weapons don't break down.
724154 No.14719425
>Which game did weapon condition and jamming better?
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
724154 No.14719468
>>14719434
>game has shit condition guns everywhere
Wrong, there are many pristine rifles in multiple locations on all maps.
>enemies never jam but only drop shit 70% and below condition guns
It would be nice if their guns could jam but oh well. As for their guns, rarely are they less than 40% unless you play trash like Misery.
>no way to repair any guns in the game, they just end up being useless, even special weapons
Now I know you're a redditor. You can repair weapons, you're just a retard who doesn't pay attention.
>to "unjam" a gun you just reload it which is a short as fuck animation that just interrupts combat for the sake of inducing a poorly delivered panic
t. normalnigger who doesn't take care of his guns
>>>/reddit/
The only place you deserve to be in.
9d35fc No.14719487
>>14719468
Your iq is among the brightest I have seen here and your taste is just as good.
e00b46 No.14719521
>>14719503
>>14719434
>playing vanilla STALKER
shiggy diggy, retard
cd6521 No.14719544
>>14719521
>IP hopping just so you can have someone agreeing with youin your own thread
you're noone to talk
e00b46 No.14719556
>>14719536
of course vanilla is shit, sperg. I just mentioned that you should be playing it modded.
724154 No.14719569
>>14719503
>Dude you can only repair weapons in 2 of the 3 games!
>s-samefag!
Immediately fuck off
>>>/reddit/
032a55 No.14719575
If you're not playing stalker modded you're a fucking newfag and should propably leave.
d7503f No.14719584
>>14719575
>Not playing vanilla at least once to understand why it's so awful
You're missing out man. It's a fight against the zone and it's inhabitants as much as it is error messages and system crashes. :^)
032a55 No.14719593
>>14719584
You're right but anyone who hasnt allready done a vanilla run is propably fresh off the boat like I said.
724154 No.14719602
>>14719596
What a shit attempt at trying to fit in, Jesus Christ.
>>>/reddit/
No really, it is time for you to go now.
d7503f No.14719617
>>14719264
Degradation played a bigger role in 3 than New Vegas so it is kind of a pointless carry over. Weapon durability mattered a lot more in 3 because 3 had a lot more caves filled to burst with ghouls and molerats so unlike NV, you'd actually run into a situation where your weapon condition would go from high to low.
032a55 No.14719683
>>14719644
The only thing thats sad here is you pal.
724154 No.14719696
>>14719644
It is time to stop posting
9d35fc No.14719747
>>14719696
Sage you fucking faggot.
773c52 No.14719872
>>14719434
>game has shit condition guns everywhere
Deal with it, find a stash or buy a gun.
>enemies never jam
I'll give you that one, it would be cool if they did.
>but only drop shit 70% and below condition guns
So don't use them or use only the good ones.
>no way to repair any guns in the game, they just end up being useless, even special weapons
Deal with it you nigger. Weapons degrade slowly enough that you'll find a replacement before long. If it's too much for you use a mod.
>to "unjam" a gun you just reload it which is a short as fuck animation that just interrupts combat for the sake of inducing a poorly delivered panic
I'm honestly not sure what else you want from guns jamming. Do you want them to blow up in your hands? Maybe a minigame to unjam them?
a92268 No.14719879
>>14718966
Fallout's jamming system was practically nonexistent thanks to the repair function and the fact that you can pick up anything and everything you come across. In many cases, you could walk out of a lengthy fire fight with weapons in better condition than when you entered.
6a8975 No.14719897
>>14719584
>>14719593
ZRP works wonders. I played through vanilla SoC 3 times with it and never had a single error or CTD. Now CoP and call of chernobyl on the other hand, wew lad
c36555 No.14720736
>>14718966
>When weapons are in poor condition they can "jam" upon reloading, costing the player time during critical moments
Jamming was such a nonfactor in that (F3) shit game that wasn't until years after I played the game that I realized that guns actually jammed.
ab3fda No.14720752
Far Cry 2 but only because it's "gun exploding" mechanic gave us the best imfdb article
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Far_Cry_2
c36555 No.14720778
f708bb No.14720873
>>14720752
That article is pure gold
000bae No.14720903
jagged alliance 2, great game, go play it right now and experience edgar "nails" smorth going BOGUS
pic unrelated
d41cec No.14721378
>>14719544
>everyone I dislike is one guy
Fuck off nigger.
966fd5 No.14721441
Personally I'd say Fallout 3 did it better in that it was something that was more than mildly inconvenient and you could actually repair your weapons. And the odds of an enemy having a weapon you could use just as effectively were lower, usually, because of the skill system. It added a level of challenge to the game beyond just "go back to your weapon storeroom and pick up a new, mint condition one". Though in early game Far Cry 2 it's definitely a challenge, just not for long.
That said, Far Cry 2 was more interesting in that it was visible in the gun and had a really cool catastrophic failure animation when the gun did break. Fallout 3 only ever had the occasional "gun jams a bit while reloading" animation.
d7503f No.14721467
>>14720752
That article gets me every time.
df914a No.14721495
>>14720752
And faggots say FC2 was a realistic game.
5127ed No.14721512
>>14721441
That gun looks off…
f5ca2a No.14721532
>>14721512
>That gun looks off…
Anon…
cbde74 No.14721535
>>14719264
I once played NV with a mod that increased jam rates and didn't repair my weapons that much. I still only jammed at the very start of the game
7fe2f8 No.14721620
>>14719264
>Add in immersive feature where you need to maintain equipment
>Wow this is so gay and not immersive how I have to clean and take care of my guns
Fucking millenials.
90bbec No.14721807
>>14721620
Magically combining two guns to get one gun in better condition? Shit doesn't work that way, even if you're a gunsmith with a full shop of equipment.
966fd5 No.14721819
>>14721807
The idea is you're taking working/better condition parts out of one and putting them in the other. Obviously it's oversimplified, and I don't know what 7fe2f8 is talking about with cleaning them, but complaining about this small degree of required maintenance is just the kind of laziness that lead Bethesda to make Fallout 4 what it was.
c64305 No.14721831
>>14721807
Most of the important bits that play a role in a jam are easy to access with a simple field strip, and you can swap whichever one is less battered into your old gun.
>>14721819
The only place that reasoning falls apart is with non-mechanized melee weapons and armor, where it really does become Nevadan mailman magic.
>captcha:oFedxc
7380bc No.14722758
ARMA 3 ACE
>weapons likelihood to jam is based on temperature
>barrels can be swapped to reduce temperature
>accuracy diminishes with high volumes of fire at elevated temperature and doesn't recover with cooling
>clearing of jams takes longer than a standard reload
>clearing can fail leading to repeated attempts
Once again ARMA mods do it best.
363236 No.14722791
Gears of war's quick reload mechanic that rewarded good timing/ muscle memory and punished you if you fucked it up. Having said that I reckon it could have done without any of the gimmicks like spread reduction/rate of fire increase and just left it as a rushed reload mechanic.
0369fd No.14722792
>>14721620
>magically combining two weapons into one is immersive
this is your brain on reddit
4f28ed No.14722798
>>14718966
Whoa, nice numbers, dubsman
d80ae9 No.14722823
FC2's weapons degrade very fast and is dumb. FC2 also has all that other dumb shit like malaria and respawning camps. Its a shit game.
f10057 No.14722836
>stalker
>gun condition 0%
>jams
>gun condition 100%
>jams
ebin
9046b6 No.14722865
>>14722791
The quick reload mechanic was good because it rewarded you for paying attention (the gun jamming made the reload about as long as if you hadn't done the quick reload). It's incredibly stupid to think you can somehow load superbullets into a gun just because you reloaded it 'correctly' but it's one of those stupidly game-y things I can forgive because it gives you an actual reason to use the mechanic.
222a1f No.14722946
>>14719264
It was pointless only because it was trivial. If expensive and unique weapons were more expensive to fix (or could be fixed only under certain conditions), then the player would have been forced to write in the build back up guns and other tricks.
It would also balance the game. New Vegas gets very dull when you put your hands on the holorifle. Everything just dies before you. But if you have to rely on average guns and use the OP guns only when cornered, than all gunfights become more interesting.
a5764d No.14722968
d2701f No.14722977
>>14721620
>inmersion
>not one of the millennials' favorite buzzwords
d80ae9 No.14723341
>>14722968
Doesn't change shit, in the true sense.
b7d9a8 No.14724067
>>14721620
>I have to clean and take care of my guns
If the game actually involved cleaning them, you might have a point, but that's not how New Vegas's repair system works. You take two weapons and slap them together and somehow get a weapon in better condition. If the game had something like, say, cleaning kits, patches of cloth, lubricants, etc, then you could claim you clean the guns, but, NV doesn't have that.
>>14721819
How are you going to salvage parts from a tire iron in the field to make another tire iron work better? Or, baseball bats? Even with knives and swords, how does swapping whatever replaceable parts they share - say, the handle, or tang - magically make the blade cut better? Why does taking two guns both in near perfect condition, and swapping a barely damaged part from one to the other - eg, whatever minor "damage" or dirt would be made from firing the rifle a single time - make the entire other rifle get tossed into the trash? If you're just salvaging a few parts from it, where does the rest go? Even Oblivion handled weapon condition better than New Vegas did.
6ed35e No.14724717
>>14724067
Really, you need two meters. One for dirt, one for actual component damage/corrosion. You build up dirt over time, faster if you shoot shitty ammo or crawl around a lot. Dirt accumulation can cause jams or failure to fire depending on weapon type (AKs would be resistant, ARs would gum up pretty quickly). Cleaning can be easily done in the field and removes most or all dirt at the cost of minor resources - cloth, and oil removes most, solvent removes all.
If dirt isn't cleaned frequently enough, you get corrosion. It'll cause jams and misfeeds and FTF that can't be prevented with ordinary cleaning, and if it gets bad enough, can lead to catastrophic failure a la FC2. Some corrosion can be fixed with simple part swaps, but you'll probably need to get a gunsmith to do anything advanced. Sure, you can try to do a barrel replacement yourself, but you'll probably fuck up the headspacing and will have a catastrophic failure from that a few hundred rounds later.
You don't need to get too complex, either. Just break the gun down into barrel, trigger group, action, and receiver. Maybe stock, as well - a broken stock makes aiming much harder.
57cc1d No.14736658
>>14722836
>gun jams
>???
So fucking unrealistic am I right?